RHAP: We Know Survivor - Bran Flakezz Talks Survivor 50

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Rob Cesternino welcomes social media influencer Bran Flakezz to discuss Survivor 48 and the upcoming Survivor 50 season. In this special interview, Rob and Bran dive into the evolution of Survivor, the impact of social media on reality TV, and their thoughts on the Survivor 50 cast.

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in our already existing bubble. And so Brandon Donlin reached out to an influencer, a content creator, Brand Flakes, who has some extremely viral survivor content, but has all sorts of other content that he's been creating across Tik Tok, Instagram and podcasts galore Welcome brand flakes

I'm like freaking out Rob. I've been watching you probably for like 15 years 15 years Wow, so you've been around for a minute and around for a minute I have seen the footage of your survivor themed bar mitzvah from way back when. And so I know you a OG survivor fan going back to when I'm an OG survivor fan. I started season two and been watching ever since. We'll get into it. I have recently fallen off the wagon.

I've not watched the last four seasons. The last season I watched was the one that D won. What was that? Season 45? Yeah. I hopped off after season 45. Yes. I hopped off after Brandon's season. We can get into what went into that decision and if I will come back.

But yes, huge survivor fan, huge Big Brother fan, huge The Challenge fan. That's my holy Trinity, but I've also stopped watching The Challenge. Big Brother, it's like, I always watch the first three weeks and I'm like, I can't devote this much time to it. And then I just keep up with the live feeds and like the Twitter updates. But the last season, Big Brother was great. time to it. And then I just keep up with the live feeds and like the Twitter updates. But the last season of Big Brother was great. I loved it. But I've been struggling with modern day survivor a little bit.

Okay, and would love to explore that. Can you talk about the challenge? Cause I feel like I know a lot of the reasons why people might be dissatisfied with modern day survivor. But I feel like that I am not so much in the challenge universe to know is, is there also like any sort of like hand wringing challenge community? I think like my issue with the challenge was they started just casting so many people that like were on one episode of like

Love Island Germany and now you're eligible to be on the challenge where it's like, it used to be only MTV shows. And I was okay when they started pulling over CBS people, because I'm a CBS fan. So I like loved seeing the Big Brother survivor people. But like, when it started becoming like, oh my god, all these different people from all these different networks, I just didn't understand the story behind it. And the great thing about the challenge was it was a competition show that was just as much as soap opera because it was like people that have been on these shows for 20 years, like legacy people. And it just started to just change and they got really like, oh, we're America's fifth sport. And it kind of got rid of all like the kind of fun of the show and it made it super movie explosions and in your face. And I was just like, can I just get back to people in bikinis getting-

Too much gravitas on the channel. Too much gravitas, yeah. So I started falling off on that. And also they just do nine different spinoffs. I'm like, what am I watching? Am I watching the Challenge USA? Am I watching the Challenge All-Stars that's on Paramount? Am I watching the Challenge USA? Am I watching the Challenge All-Stars? That's on Paramount. Am I watching the real challenge?

And it just was really hard to keep up with. Okay. All right. Thank you for all that. Before we get into the survivor of it all, could you just give us a little bit more about your backstory and how you came to prominence? Yeah, so my name's Brandon. I am from Philadelphia, PA, born and raised in the suburbs.

Just like Brandon Donlon. Yes, lived in the city for the last 10 years. It was funny. I worked in the fashion industry, and I started posting on social media because I wanted to go on reality TV. And this was in 2021, where I felt like everyone that was getting cast for Big Big Brother was like kind of already influencers.

So I was like, okay, I got to do this. But then I actually like fell in love with posting on TikTok. And it kind of, during that time, I was actually in the final round for a show that went on Netflix called 20 somethings, which was like a real world. 20 somethings of Austin? Yes. So I was interviewing for that.

I didn't get picked, which was fine. I heard that wasn't real. Yes. So I was interviewing for that. I didn't get picked, which was fine. I heard that wasn't real. Yeah, I heard it was a flop. I don't know about ratings. I don't know if it was like how real it was. Okay. So you wanted to be on Big Brother.

Is that like? Yes. Okay. And my dream was to be on Big Brother. So I was like posting and I was like, okay, I need to get like viral on tick tock so that like the casting people take me seriously. But then I just ended up becoming a full-time tick tocker. And I guess there were some people that like were big, uh, tick tock type people that were on like even like cam from last season is like a

tick tock following. Yeah. A lot of people were getting casts that were like, how to even just like 15,000 followers. I was like, I just need to get noticed. Um, and like kind of, cause it's so hard when you apply to these shows, you get one application and a one minute video. And I'm like, there's no way I can show all of my personality in that. So if I have a social media page that they can flip through TikTok videos of myself to get more of that full Picture that will give me such an advantage, but I ended up I've never even applied I applied once

I think for big brother hoping they would find you I wanted to be recruited. I was like I want to be a recruited person That's a secret super fan. Yeah, okay, so Big brother is very important to you, but would you say that with Survivor, your true love? Survivor was my true love. That's what got me into the reality TV sphere. Like I watched, I will never forget, I was four years old crying my eyes out when Elizabeth Hasselback was voted off

at the final four of Survivor Australia. Like I was, I loved Elizabeth. I was like, now, it's so funny, now I can't stand her. But then I was crying my eyes out as a little kid. She really was like, you know, larger than life figure in that season. And people really did have this incredible relationship with her.

But you would be, would you have been annoyed if she was on Survivor 50? Because- No, I actually really wanted her on survivor 50 Which I know is like such a high one in her on survivor 50 also I wanted to see that arc and I wanted to see how she would have done on it But was that like legit was she really in? Well, I think that there was certainly a lot of smoke, but then she posted a video where she said I think that there was certainly a lot of smoke, but then she posted a video where she said, I'm not doing that.

Oh my God. She's like, fun summer update. Well, survivor 50. That's well, I'm not doing that. She's like, I'm going to be out of the pool with snacks. But she wasn't even like, you know, I don't know where people are getting this from. It's a cool show, but I know I'm past that. She was just like very dismissive about it.

Like almost. Yeah, it's it's getting there. Was some bad blood. Yeah, it seemed like a little bit. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's what I do know. Yeah. And you know what? I don't think she would have done well. No, I think so. For a multitude of reasons, I think you don't think she would have done well. No, I don't think so. For a multitude of reasons, I think we can talk about that.

You don't think that Elizabeth is her finger on the pulse of like, when to play the shot in the dark and the beware advantage and going on the journey and voting splits? 100 percent. One, she definitely doesn't watch the show. And we've just seen that the old school people with 40 got their asses handed to them. But two, I just think in modern woke day survivor and you have Elizabeth Hasselback, who's the anti-woke, I think they would have,

I honestly think she could have been first boot. So it's probably for the best that she's not on there. Yeah. Okay. So everybody's been talking about the survivor 50 cast and you were telling me before we came on that you have big feelings about I'm like a hater. Is it bad to say I'm a hater? You can say whatever you want. Listen here's the thing it's just like this is where I'm gonna maybe and you'll

have to tell me if this is the popular opinion. Yeah. I am obsessed with Ozzy and Suri. I don't need to see them play again. I don't. They've played, what is this Ozzy six times? No, for both of them, it's gonna be their record tying fifth time back on the show. That's like too much. Oh my God. It's too many times.

And like, because here's where I feel, it goes one of two ways. It goes either we have to see them lose again, and one of them is going to lose again. One of them is. They both can't win. They both can't win. Or you get this win, but like, is it really like, it kind of reminds me of when Rob won Redemption Island. It's like they had a cast him for a, sorry, I'll be so transfer.

I'm a Boston Rob hater. Um, but they had a cast him for the fourth time up against one of the dumbest casts you've ever had. And it's like, Oh, we played such an Epic game. Did he, did he know? Or what did they just literally tailor it for him to win? I'm going to get shit for that, but I don't care. Um that's just how I feel. I'll push back a little bit. It is very hard to win Survivor. And so he did do a great job. But also that the, you make a good point, was not the fiercest competition. But you know. Was not the fiercest.

And I don't know. For me, I thought Suri closed her chapter beautifully with the Traders. That was her game. Then she did Big Brother after that. True. She did do Big Brother after that. I kind of forgot about that, Rob. But she did a good job on Big Brother. She's a mastermind. And I just, you know, I'm always going to want her. But I think this cast that she's up against, I'm like, I don't know, like her and Ozzy, I feel like are the biggest names.

I'm like, is that going to go well? Are they either going to be the first boots or are they going to like kind of get to the end? Like, I don't know. So you feel like, okay, five timers, you didn't need to see that. What about coach? Is there too much coach for you? There's not too much coach for me because number one coaches had a Big break. What was the last time he was on 27 seasons ago? So he was on 23 in South Pacific these in 23, that's he both did come back Game-changers. Yeah. So for me that feels like a long enough distance and also coaches like such a crazy personality. Like I could watch all of them again.

I love them. It's just, I wish they were then surrounded by other people that I felt that way about. And I think for me, because I didn't watch the last five seasons and half the cast is from the last five seasons, it's hard for me to compartmentalize. Okay, so we have a majority of this cast

that is playing for the second time, going up against random people who have now been playing four or five times. It feels a little imbalanced and it feels a little random. It does feel imbalanced. And to me though, I feel like that the imbalances, I think I would have opted for more people, maybe that we're seeing one too many times,

as opposed to people that were saying like well Why are they getting a second chance? I do feel like that the show is Going for that they're saying like hey You didn't know Boston Robb was gonna be Boston Robb when we were you didn't know Parvati was gonna be Parvati when we brought her back Maybe we're about to give you the next legend for the next generation of Survivor that you just don't you're just not ready for yet You're gonna be surprised by how they do I think what I would have liked was for season 50 to be legends and just you put series Suri and Ozzy on the cast

But you have other people like coaches like parvati's like Boston, Hobbs like Tony Bacchus Legends cast people who have won and people who have gotten really close Amanda Kimmel. I know she was talked about like coaches, like Parvati's, like Boston Robs, like Tony Bacchus, legends cast, people who have won and people who have gotten really close, Amanda Kimmel, I know she was talked about, all those people. And then I would have loved a separate season, which they haven't done again, of Second Chances 2. I thought Second Chances was such an amazing season.

I thought the process was amazing. I loved that we got to vote. I loved every single thing that played out. And I think that season developed the Spencer's, the Kelly Wentworths, that it solidified Jeremy's legacy. That's what I would have liked to see. And let's have those people that are now playing for the second time on a different second chances season in like four or five seasons, season 55. Let's throw it on that. And it wouldn't have taken anything away from Survivor 50 to have done that for season 49. You know, you easily could have done that.

And then had 50 be more of like, okay, this is the season now where we're gonna celebrate our history of the show. And 49 is gonna... And you could have taken a couple people that like did really well on the second chance 49 and now put them... Now they've made it to legend status

in Survivor 50. Yeah and maybe I haven't looked at the cast as like critically as I should have, but like it would have been amazing and I know the challenge is doing this too to do like an eras and like have an old school have like a medium the golden ages of Survivor have like the season 30s and then season 40s or like, you know, a few tribes of each of some sort. Do we know who those like mystery question mark people are yet? So there's two people from Survivor 49. They have not come out and said their names of who they are. A lot of people know who they are from season 49,

but it has not come out officially in terms of who they are. No, Branflakes, can you tell me like, who are the people that you feel like were the big Mrs. that you really felt like that they should have had? The two people that come to mind initially, and I know they've been in talks for a while, Shane Powers and Sean Rector. Those are two people. But I'm fine if they do a second chances season. I know Shane was supposed to be on the first second chance. Shane was supposed to be on like every single all star season that they ever did. I don't believe that they called him for survivor 50.

He has big feelings about like the survivor 50 cast, but yeah, he would have been great. He would have been great. But they really they left him hanging so many times. Yeah, he would have been great. And Sean Rector have always wanted to see play again. I've been keeping up a little bit with Survivor Twitter or Survivor X, I should say. It sounds like they did gerrymanthi really dirty. And I would have liked to see her play for sure. She's And I would have liked to see her play, for sure. She's someone I would have honestly preferred to see play again over Suri and Ozzy, who I feel like have built legacies. I would have liked to see Jerry kind of come back and do it.

It seems like there's a little bit more of a clamoring for people that played three times, and then we wanted to see them one more time for a fourth. Maybe you're saying that, like,. Uh, and, and Surrey, I've seen it both ways with people like, you know, I'll never be mad to see Surrey and then also maybe it's too much, but maybe five times is too much for some of the players. But four seems like people wanted some of the four timers.

Yeah, I just, like I said, it goes back to like, I wish it was a balance. Like I wish it was all people who have played two, three times and winners, and then a separate cast of people who have only played once or twice. What if it was legends versus second chances? Like where, okay, it's people that are playing like for their like third, fourth and fifth time versus people that okay, they're trying to make something out of their return. And you could have had like people from the new era in Second Chances.

Yeah, I completely, that would have been really cool. And if that's how they do it, there are great people on the cast too. Like, I'm really excited to see Mike White play again. I'm excited to see Angelina play again. Yeah. I'm really excited about Jenna Lewis. I think she's has an, honestly, I'm kind of excited for Colby too. Like I am, that's just the OG in me. Like I'm great with them. I just wish they were joined by Amanda, Jerry, Sean, Shane,

more old school love of people who like really, this is like probably some of the last times they can play again. And I would have liked to see that. I just think with Survivor 50, like what show makes it to 50 seasons? And even though 40 I think was controversial, I mean that boot order was rough.

It was an epic cast. So I think I had a lot of hopes. Like I've personally thought it was like 50 is gonna be my resurgence back into the show. I'm gonna watch Survivor again. I don't know if I'm gonna watch it. I really don't. I'm going to try, but it's just changed so much over the last few years that it's been like, it doesn't, I don't know. I'm just going to say what I think a lot of people say. Jeff Probst needs to take a little bit of a backseat. It's a little, and I love

Jeff Probst, but it's got a, he's got a chill. Okay. What is it about Jeff that you feel like he needs to chill with? You know, it's so funny. I'm going to show my age here, but I'll remember this conversation. I think you were part of it. Do you remember when you used to do that show,

Dick at Night, and you guys would talk about Survivor and Big Brother and all of that? Evil Dick, Dick at Night. Yes, Dick at Night. And I was on a couple of times. I used to pay to watch that. I was subscribed to Dick at Night. And I remember what season of Survivor were you guys recapping?

I forget. It might have been like it was in the 30s, for sure. And someone said, like, once Survivor kind of started, like acting like it was a show, like you get on and like, you know, you're on a show. There was this level that like took it down a notch. And what I mean by that is, and especially in the newer seasons, it's like, you have people, it's my dream, my dream, I've always wanted to be on it. And obviously, you're going to have it. It's a legacy show. But like when you compare it to like the openings of those first few OG seasons when you're in a helicopter and it's more positioned as a social experiment

and the survivor elements. And then you get into the season 20s of it all where it's still that, but it's really exciting and there's just enough twists that are good, the idle plays. It just feels so produced now, I think is what I'm trying to say. And also, and I know a lot of people feel this way too, I'm sick of it being in Fiji. It's just like, I get it. They have their, they know where the island

is, they know where to position on the cameras from a production standpoint, that makes sense. But it was exciting when you got new backgrounds and you dealt with new elements and it just has felt dull from my perspective. Just always being in Fiji. I hate the Final Four fire making twist. Is that still a thing? Well, season 50, Brant Flakes, get ready for this, is in the hands of the fans. And there was a fan vote that we don't know the answer to, whether

or not they're going to keep the Final Four fire making. Can I, I will take a big leap here and say that murdered the show. I think that was this, I think that was the first domino that started to kind of knock down the show because it just, first of all, there was so many statistics with like how like bias that actually ended up being towards the female players. And it just like was, I don't know. It was not it for me. It was not it.

I did not like that at all. I think you ruined one of the elements of the show, which is you are only eliminated if you are voted out. And when you now put it in the hands of, Oh, if you lose a challenge, it's just, no, like we've, we've seen people who've gotten no votes ever cast against them. And then they lose that challenge and it's done. And it's just, it just isn't, it's not for me. Um, yeah, I don't know.

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Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. Let's talk about, tell me about some of the things that you love about Survivor. Yeah. some of the things that you love about Survivor. Yeah, you've really hit on like nothing that you have said is like anything that is super controversial that many people, especially on social media, haven't said over the years. And rather than, you know, go through each one of those in detail, I'd love to know a little bit more about like, what are the things that really, you know, even as a young person, the things that you really connected with when you found Survivor? Listen, the show is genius. It really is like, and that's, they could make a million seasons because when you have a format of a game that is designed so perfectly, it's going to be different every time because you're going to have different people. And what's always been so fascinating to me

is just general strategy and decision-making and seeing how people make different choices and then kind of seeing in that lifespan of the game how those choices are going to impact them in that game, whether it's they're going to lead to them winning or they're going to lead to them voting off. And that's always been like what was fascinating to me from also just like a standpoint of just like growing up.

I mean, the fact that the first, I mean, and he's controversial, but the first winner is a gay man, like as a gay kid growing up, I was like, it's one of the first shows that I saw real diversity and the shows made so much strides as of recent years to make it half by POC, you know, it's been great. But from jump, it was one of the more diverse shows that I watched growing up and seeing people that I actually felt like represented me in some type of way on. Like when I saw Todd win season 15, I was like, oh my God, like that's incredible. So that element I've always loved. And that's something that John

Lovett most recently spoke about of of that there was something that when, as a young gay person, he saw Richard Hatch win the first show, the first season, and that was such a big deal. And it was something that came up, even that there was, I know you didn't watch Survivor 48, but that you know Mike Bloom from Rob is a podcast, that he used podcasts with us,

he was on location in Survivor 48. And he mentioned an incident that, not an incident, it makes it sound like it was bad. A moment that didn't make the show where, there was a guy named Thomas who was on the show. And he talked about how big Survivor is for gay culture. And why it's just a big part of it. And Thomas told this to Jeff Probst,

and Jeff Probst seemed very surprised by learning about this. And Thomas was like, how do you not know this? Yeah, no, it's so true. I go to like my gay friends in Philly, like they actually won't hang out with me on Wednesday nights because they have a survivor watch party. And I've been to the ones that Bryce and Wendell have

and it is like, you go and it is a very colorful audience and it's amazing. So it's impactful for me on that. I mean, I had my survivor theme bar mitzvah. Like when I tell you my idols in life, like Parvati Shallow is my idol. Like she is my gay awakening. Like she is everything that I like.

Can you expand on that? Because that's interesting to me of that. How is Parvati your gay awakening? Watching someone like her who I found so attractive, but not in just like a sexual way, but like, because I'm obviously gay, but like I was just like, she not in just like a sexual way, but like, cause I'm obviously gay, but like, I was just like, she's so hot and watching her manipulate men and like do it so seamlessly and also like getting a group of girl power

behind her. Like, I was just like, I love that all my friends are women. I love like that we can like show these men that like, you know, even though I'm not a woman, I just felt so connected to her and just seeing her. Like her power, what is she able to do? She's not an object of desire. She's like somebody, like I wish I had that. Yes, like I feel like every gay guy was inspired and or jealous by Parfati.

I'm like the way that she has all the girls behind her, gets rid of all the guys. Like I was just like, I loved, loved like she is up there with Taylor Swift. I met her in person like two months ago and I like she probably thought I was a freak. I was like you are my greatest upset. Parvati or Taylor Swift? I met Parvati. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting because I think also the history of Parvati is that the straight men often fear her, are scared of her. Like some of them are so bold as to try to get close, but many are just have this irrational fear of her. Yeah. And I also think like Survivor talking about like, it's not like so much like this anymore. But I remember season two, Alicia and

Kimmy getting into that fight. Yeah. And it was like, don't wave your finger. Don't wave your finger in my face. That was the first time I saw like drama on reality TV. And I was like, oh, like, survivor really really like, that's, Australia is one of my favorite seasons of all time. I know that might be a really hot take, but I just think it was such a legendary season with Michael Scoop and getting evacuated,

the Kimmy and Alicia of it all, the Elizabeth and Roger, and then Tino. But you were four. And I was four years old and I just remember watching this on TV and being like, there's no other show like this. Like there's no other show like this. Like there's no other show like this. And it just developed.

And I think to this day, if I could give anybody the greatest gift, it would be getting to watch someone watch season 20 for the first time, Heroes versus Villains. I think it's up there with Big Brother 6, Big Brother 7, like one of the best reality seasons of it. Like you just had to be there and you witnessed history. And that season, like that was like the precipice for me.

That was the peak of survivors, hero versus villains. And there's been amazing seasons that came after it. But like that season of like all truly just nasty cutthroatness, creative strategy, really funny moments. Like just like, I'll never forget Amanda, like trying to get that idol from Danielle when they're in like our best. So many just like underrated moments from that season

that don't get talked about enough because there's just so much iconicness that happened. Those are the things I love about Survivor. And that's just me being like a nostalgic old school watcher, but I haven't like felt connected. It's almost gotten like so emotional that it's taken some of the fun out of it. And it's like, hey, this is still a game where like people are still like supposed to backstab and like be villains and betray.

And like it just felt like modern day. It was like almost not OK for those things to happen. Yeah. You mentioned that after Survivor 45, you walked away from the show and now knowing a little bit more about the things that you loved about the show, that you feel like tonally the show also, in addition to a lot of the twists that you don't love,

that tonally it may have also gotten away from the survivor that you grew up with. You know it's fascinating and it kind of goes back to what I just said like I would love to watch someone watching season 20 through their eyes. So when Survivor I want to say 42 came on I just moved into an apartment with my best friend who had never watched Survivor before and I'm like sat, sat, I'm like, we're gonna watch Survivor. I'm gonna get you into it. You're gonna love it. And she kind of hated it. And I was like, what, like what, how can you hate Survivor? Like this is Survivor. It's like the best show ever. She was like, this feels very like performative. She was like, it feels really in your face. It feels like everyone has a sob story. It feels like too much. She's like,

I thought this was like a show where you like play challenges of each other off. She's like, this feels like very kind of cheesy. And it was weird. It was the first time where I was like, huh, it kind of does. And it didn't feel like this 20 years ago. And this is going to sound insane too. I don't think we needed an hour and a half long episodes. And that's what happened. So I think I watched the premiere, this is when I stopped, of season 46. And I couldn't get through it. And I was like, I remember pausing and being like, oh my God, there's still another hour of this. Like, I don't think I can do this right now. And I'm not saying it's not a great show. It really is. I'm sure I could have pushed forward, but then I like would go on Twitter and be

like, this is, I would see like, this is the worst season ever. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not missing it. And I just never picked it back up. Um, which makes me sad because like I said, this was my bar mitzvah. I watched 45 seasons of the show and I'm not saying I'll never watch it again, but I was just really excited thinking like, Oh, season 50 is going to get me back into it. I'm like, I don't even know half these people. Yeah. So I think that you've really keyed into something where something that

I've talked about for a while, where that survivor really in the beginning of the show was really an exploration of the human condition and specifically like a darkness perhaps of what are people willing to do to one another to get the million dollars. And as the show has grown and evolved, I do feel like that the people who are making the show are less interested in telling a story about what depths are people willing to go to in order to like undermine each other to get this

money? I think that they're more interested in telling a story of what are people able to get out of this experience? And I think that a lot of the ways it comes to that you are now, they've built this like like complicated game where okay sort of like you need to like out maneuver each other in this very like complicated rub goldberg machine of the game but if i get you it's really just because i like you know operated the levers of the machine to get you. It wasn't because I hate the person you are. And I think that a lot of old Survivor was there were less levers and pulleys and things and buttons to press. But I wanted you out because I could not stand you as a person.

And often that interpersonal conflict was the reason why you got voted out, not because you have an extra vote. Yes, exactly. And that really was it. Like I remember, like when I tell you I was such a nerd, I remember I don't even know if they still do this. After every episode they would do, I think it was on like E today, they would do three questions with Jeff Probst and I would always and it would be about the episode before I

would be that was the first thing I would do when I woke up on Thursday. I would see if those questions were up. And I remember one of them he kind of said that he was switching the show to be more about storytelling and storytelling in the castmates perspective. And it's interesting because storytelling is what I do in my career. Like I tell my story online. That is what I want to do. And I understand that there needs to be that shift. But it went to the pendulum where we had storytelling. And one of the most

impactful moments of the show is season one, you see Rudy, this army veteran connecting with Richard Hatch. And it's this two people who you would never put together in a room and where he's like, I'm going to the end with Richard. Like he's my number one. I don't believe it. He's fat, but he's good. Yeah, I might not believe in his lifestyle.

Like it's so problematic, but like it was a storyline. And then you had the moments with Zeke and you had the moments with Brett. And that's just so many things. But now it's like everything needs to be a story. It was, I remember in the last seasons, you knew someone was getting voted off. If they didn't, it's on episode eight, they hadn't had their like story moment yet. And then it just came out of nowhere. You're like, oh, she's done.

Like now we're hearing her backstory. Like, you know, this came in episode. She's this is her last episode. I didn't need that. Like, it was just like, these are people put them on an island, let it or the word is organic, let it organically play out. And now because it's so produced, it's manufactured, it is cheesy. And it's in your face. I used to love Survivor because it wasn't the sob stories. I hated to show the voice because every single contestant that auditioned was just like My mom is in a car accident this year and it's my dream now to be a singer and like I'm not saying that's horrible Like good for you. Let go off but now it's like everything

I'm like and I ever gonna be able to get cast for the show because I've lived a pretty privileged non-tragic life But I still would get out there and be fucking cutthroat and play the game But does that not mean I get casting ability because I haven't lived through a trauma? Like I'm being so politically incorrect right now, but I just feel like that's what the show kind of needs. And I think it comes from a good place. I really do.

I think that it's like, hey, we're trying to, we want all of these different parties in the audience to feel seen and we want to tell all these like interesting stories about humanity. But that isn't necessarily why we fell in love with the show. It's not. And I think the reason I'm being so hard on them is because I see a show like The Traders,

which is existing in the exact same time period of the world, who to me is knocking it out of the park. They're having is knocking it out of the park. They're having fun. They're casting bold personalities. They're encouraging the drama. They're making big moves. They're strategizing. And I have so the last season of the traders wasn't the best, but still the last season the traders to me kicks any recent season of survivors ass. Season two of the traders when I was watching, I was like, the fact that it's 2024 at that time and we're getting a show that is this good is not lost on me because I've been a reality TV fan.

The recent season of The Challenge, like I said, hasn't been good. Last season of My Brother was good, still never compared to the OGs, but it is possible to make a good reality show that's not problematic, that's still diverse, that still fits modern day standards, but it's still good and it's still entertaining and still focuses on strategy and making big moves and fun twists. And it isn't just oversaturated with sob

stories and extra vote and spin the wheel and lose your vote And you have a don't forbid an advantage. And it's like, I felt so old, Rob. The last season I watched, I was like, I need like a key. I need a key of who has what. I remember one episode, someone played an idol. I was like, I didn't even remember that person had an idol. Like when idols first came out. I didn't even remember that person.

I didn't even remember that person. I'm like, I didn't even know. And she has another one in her pocket. Like someone gets voted out with an idol in their pocket. I'm like, I didn't even remember they had an idol. It's not a big deal. It's like when James gets voted off with an idol in his pocket, it's a huge deal because there's not that meant to have them. There's not that many of them. And it's one of the only things that you can get. I don't know. Yeah.

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So, what should we talk about? No sugar added. Neutral. Refreshingly simple. I want to know about something that you posted that got a lot of traction, and maybe people may want to borrow this, that you have a group chat, and sometimes you'll post the phrase immunity necklace in the chat. Yeah.

So immunity necklace comes from survivor obviously and when you know when you have immunity you're safe. You can basically say or do whatever you want. You still can't get voted out if you have immunity. So we started using that as a phrase for if we were about to say something controversial. So a perfect example is, say I'm talking to a group of massive survivor fans. I would say immunity necklace, but the season 50 cast is trash.

And that's telling them, hey, like I'm putting this on, y'all can't come for me. Like, no, don't come to me. But the cast is trash. I'm saying, I'm saying, so like when we would write immunity necklace in our group chat, we knew that someone was about to say hot tape. No, really controversial. Brandt, if I may push back, I feel like that's a little bit more like you're playing the immunity idol than the immunity necklace. I'm into it. You're like, basically you're like Kelly Wentworth.

It's like, or, you know, or maybe if it's like immunity idol, if you, you drop the hot take and then say, hit an immunity idol, it's like, you were about to come for me, but like, no brand flakes does not count brand flakes does not count. I'm bulletproof now. Yeah. No, I, that, that makes total sense. But that is where it came from. And I made a video about it. So I think to this day, my highest viewed video, 22 million views, Jeff Probst

stitched it. CBS, what did Jeff Probst say? He was just like, I like this, like, it just like smiling. He's like, this is funny. Like, I'm into it. Like you could tell some intern was like, Hey, can you just like record some? Yeah. And he did it. And he did it. Right. Yeah. Which was great. Now, can you give us some other potential takes that you said in the group chat that were immunity necklace? Yeah. Like survivor based themes or like, I mean, probably juicier is maybe non survivor based themes. Oh, like we would be like a muni necklace, but and then we would send a picture

of someone maybe in like our outside friend group who were friends with. But like she faced in this picture so bad or this outfit is dreadful. Just like kind of like honestly, kind of nasty, like shit talking. I'm being so honest. But it was like a signal like, and still to this day, like, we even like upgraded to a gif where like, I think it's a poverty in that one challenge from heroes versus villains after she stood on the pole, where it would just like it was a zoom in of her wearing the necklace. And we would just send that and the chat to signify like, hey, this is coming. And now it's a it's, it's a segment on our podcast, where at the end, signify like, hey, this is coming. And now it's a segment on our podcast where at the end we say like, what's your immunity

necklace for the week? And it's always like a hot take. So like, this was a good one. We had a guest on our podcast and her immunity necklace was, your boyfriend isn't your best friend. And she was like, I'm sick of people talking about their significant other, like their wife or their husband being like, they're my best friend. They're my best friend. She's like, no're my best friend, they're my best friend.

She's like, no, my best friend is my best friend. They've been my friend for 30 years. They see me through everything. My husband is my husband. My wife is my wife. My boyfriend is my boyfriend. They're not my best friend. And that we posted on social media and she got shredded for it.

People were like, no, my partner is 100% my best friend, but it's supposed to be a hot take. It really is like a controversial opinion. I don't know if you've ever seen that meme on Twitter where it's the guy from Tangled and it's all the machetes and it's like, what a people have you like this. That's kind of the essence of immunity necklace. Yes, okay.

Your boyfriend is not your best friend. I'm probably, maybe I could do immunity necklace and then text that to my wife and say, hey, you're not my best friend. She would not recognize the immunity necklace. She wouldn't. I don't think so. That would hit. That would hit. She would take it away from me. Like I was Eric Reichenbach. Oh God. You see, we need more moments like that. I would have watched him play again. Yeah. You think he would have been good for

50? I think he would have been good for 50. Just like legends and like the word legend could have been like insane. Like it could have been like for doing something legendarily like stupid like that or like anything just like big pivotal moments. I want to see freaking dreams steal the car from Yao Man again. Like let's be fucked up. Should they bring them both back and then have another car giveaway? I don't think I need to see you out, man, again, but let's do the car giveaways were like insane. Should they have that be back for 50? Would that bring you back if they gave away a car? Let's get Brenda and Dawn back and take out your teeth.

Take out your teeth, Dawn. You like these moments. I like those moments. I want Corinne telling Susie that she'll give her a million dollars if she agrees to take out her vocal cords. You would never see that now. You would never and you can't. And that's what makes me sad. I'm like, if someone like Parvati came back on, would she be praised or would she be shamed? You know, and it's weird because you would think as we get more progressive as a society that she would be

more praised, but it's like, are people also in the same way getting too sensitive so it's did you watch your place dealer no deal island I watched the first two episodes I didn't get that far was it good how is she doing on survivor Australia I didn't happen yet oh didn't happen yet okay I'll watch that I watched the first two episodes of dealer deal no island but I need to keep going. I did like it. She was doing good when I was watching it. Yeah. OK.

Brandon pulled some links for me that he said me that you were out on the set of Bachelor in Paradise. Can you talk about how you got involved with that? Yeah. I've been working with Hulu and which is owned by ABC for a while. And they do a bunch of shows. So last year we went on a

trip to Vegas with Vanderpump Rules and Vanderpump Villa. And then they invited me. Vanderpump Villa. Vanderpump Villa is a spinoff of Vanderpump Rules where it's this like chateau that Lisa Vanderpump lives in.

She has like a cast of bartender chefs and they all like hook up and it's messy. But then they also- It's like a below deck of like- They're like a below deck, yeah. So they have people come into the villa, they serve them, things go haywire and there's just a bunch of drama.

So when that premiered last year, we went on the trip with them and a lot of the same group was invited to go to Costa Rica with Bachelor in Paradise. We got to like interview the cast and stuff. My dream is for one day and I heard that Survivor did some kind of a trip where they had influencers. Like how I was not contracted, it makes me want to die.

It sounds like that, I mean, I think that's going to be in the fall, I don't know if there's, but like, they were, a lot of them were like posting that they were there. So that they did like an influencer. And I think that they played like a couple days of Survivor. Would you have done that? Yeah, I would have done that a hundred percent. I would have done that.

I saw some people saying like, hey, this is no joke. Yeah, I would have totally done that. And I hope that Survivor and CBS gets a little more less rigid when it comes to that kind of thing. Because even when Jeff Probst like stitched my video, like that, he stitched it like, I want to say like three or four months after it was posted. Like you can tell it went through a lot of layers

of approval before they were- They need to be like a little bit more like rolling with the punches. For sure. They want to be, look, and I understand it's a like big institution and they're very protective of it but you also you have to have fun it's weird because they're casting that's why I'm

so loosey-goosey on podcast yeah they're catering to Gen Z in a lot of ways but they're not showing up on social media they're not doing fun things and they kind of I feel like yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And in that thinking of that, we're so loosey goosey on Rob's podcast. Okay. As a professional content creator, what can we be doing better on Rob's podcast? Oh my God. Somebody who's a long time listener. Well, do you post clips of this on like TikTok? Oh yeah. We'll post clips, baby. Yeah. Clips are great. I mean, that's really- Give us a good clip. Not to say that you haven Clips are great. I mean, that's really...

Give us a good clip. That's something that you haven't yet. But give us a what's a clip that'll go viral. Oh, my God. I don't know. You could freaking take me saying I don't need to see Serena Ozzie playing again. I'm sure that will go viral.

But yeah, I think if you're posting on clips and you're I think doing stuff like this, honestly, interviewing different people. Like I was in the Rob has a podcast days where it was you and Brent like every day and watching. But I think it's fun. I would watch the live feeds. I would watch the live feeds.

Like I remember, oh my God, this is so funny. I remember you guys, one of the first ones I watched for like all the way through was big brother 15. One of the worst seasons ever. You guys did like, you do like cast evaluations where you say at the end, this person will be preacher. This person will make final two, middle of the road. Like that's how long I've been watching you, Rob. Um, but yeah, I, I watched, I love when you guys do that kind of stuff.

Cause I think the pre show excitement is honestly like, I'm more invested in Big Brother before it actually airs. And then like the first week I'm on and then you start to trickle. Yeah. The excitement always gets me. So always hit those like pre like, are you doing Love Island? So we have a Love Island podcast. We know Love Island and you can check that out. But that's Kirsten and Scally doing that coverage. But yeah, that's a big one on Peacock. You didn't go out to Love Island, did you? No, they did a trip two years ago.

But I recently watched that season and that was like, I loved it. So keeping up with those trendy shows too, do you guys do a lot of Trader stuff? We do a lot of Trader stuff. Definitely, I'll come on anytime because I do love to talk about that stuff. You'll come on and talk about the Traders with us? I'll come on anytime because I do love to talk about you'll come on and talk about the traders with us I'll talk about the traders. I'll talk about what I will watch survivor if I get to do some recaps with you

Then I'll watch all right you can talk about it that Yeah, but yeah No I mean I think social and you have such a we were talking about this before we recorded like if everyone's always like survivor podcast Rob has podcast always and you're good at like just being real and funny and like kind of, you know, making your little remarks, but like you also keep a brand safe. Like you're a professional, Rob. I try to like, there's a push and a pull of like, I do try to, like I take it very seriously. I do feel like a lot of responsibility of like, I want to be on

the right side of history in terms of like getting it right in terms of like breaking everything down. But we have to have fun also because the podcast isn't fun. People aren't going to listen. Yeah. And it's fun to like listen to you guys because like I never know if my takes are like what everyone's thinking. So it's nice. Like when I would listen to an episode and be like, okay, they have the exact same thoughts that I did on that episode. And that's what I like. It's more like, I'm like, I feel justified and validated when I hear you guys say like some of the same things that I'm thinking and feeling. You've been doing some interviews about how you make plenty of money being a content creator. He was very interested. I'm like Brandon, I don't really care so

much about this. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is super interesting. Branflakes makes bank. I don't like to get into like financial stuff. He's like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yes. I do make a very great living. You're comfortable. I'm comfortable. Yeah, that's a great. Yes. Yeah. You're like, why do I need to go on Survivor? I'm like I'm like making survivor money, you know, without having to go on Survivor.

Yeah. So it's actually so funny. So I did this Barstool sports show two years ago. Oh, sort of similar to like a survivor big brother. I did this Barstool sports show two years ago that was sort of similar to like a survivor Big Brother. And what happened to you? Did anybody, did they get robbed? Yeah. I got second place and it was an America's vote.

America voted who won and I lost by 2%. So I got robbed. It's called, if anyone wants to watch, it's literally six episodes. It's 30 minute episodes. It's called Project Verified. You can look's literally six episodes. It's 30 minute episodes. It's called project verified. You can look it up on YouTube. I think you might like it, Rob.

Um, you see when you watch it, you can see that I watch big brother and survivor cause I I'm very strategic. Yeah. Um, but the prize for that show was $25,000. And I remember just being on the set and being like, all right, well, that's like nothing. You're like Jeff Kent. It's like, you know, I don't care about it. I made so much money playing baseball. Yeah. Obama's going to take

it. But like, I wanted to win. I remember Jeff Kent. Yeah. But yeah, I know I do. I make a decent living doing content creation. It's really amazing. I try to give back a lot to communities and definitely like use my platform to help small businesses and local businesses here in Philadelphia and raise awareness for the causes. Anyone who follows me, going back to the Elizabeth Hasselback of it all, knows I'm extremely liberal,

extremely anti a lot of things. We don't have to get into it on Rob has a podcast. But if you follow me, you know where I stand politically, morally. And I use my platform to really advocate for a lot of those issues as well. Rob has a podcast, but if you follow me, you know where I stand politically, morally. And I use my platform to really advocate for a lot of those issues as well. And part of the reason I actually shared my salary was that I've been having conversations with a lot of black and brown content creators that were doing similar projects to me, but were not getting paid nearly the amount I was

getting paid. So I was like, you know what, let's speak about it. Let's be more transparent about what we're all making. And maybe that can help swing the pendulum in an effort to make everything more fair. If we all know like, hey, why is Brandflake's getting paid $30,000 to post this video and I'm only getting paid $10,000, you know? So that's kind of, I wasn't just like going on a podcast. I didn't get paid anything to post a video. I wasn't going on to be like, hey, like I make a million dollars just to like flex that. It was I was on a financial. Brandon Donlon was like, oh, you got to you got to mention

this. This is very important. It's a trendy topic. So he did his homework. Yeah, he did his homework. Okay. Listen, you have an incredible platform. You have an incredible reach. But is there anything that maybe you want people to check out that might be listening to this podcast and maybe hearing you for the first time? Yeah, check out my pages. Check out my TikTok brand two underscore flakes with two Z's. Same thing on Instagram brand underscore flakes with two Z's. My goal I would love maybe soon with the traders started casting some social media stars. Like that's the show that I want to play now. Yeah. That would be good to see some social media stars play. Yeah. And I feel like we could like if we're getting fricking Sam who dated Britney Spears on like, why can't I go on?

Like, that guy was a dud. Put me on there. Listen, he ended. He did come at the end. He ended well. He ended my Traders Podcast co-host. So just like, he's listening. Wait, he did?

Yeah, he came for him. He came for him. Who was your Traders Podcast co-host? Pooja. What happened? He said, hey Pooja, I heard what you said about me and I was taking notes. I have the receipts. Oh, well, I definitely want to do a traders recap with you. Okay. For sure. Anytime you need to guess, I'm here. But yeah, follow me on TikTok, follow me on Instagram. I have a podcast too, Between Us

Girlies. Give us a listen. We do an immunity necklace segment every week, which is obviously inspired by Survivor. Yes, all right, let's bring, Brandon Donlin, is there anything that we missed? He did his homework, let's see. Okay. This is a situation.

Yes, okay. But I don't think we missed anything. I think that all went great. Okay. We covered it. I don't see much of a hater, you guys. I know, look, I don't think we missed anything. I think that all went great. Okay. To cover that. I don't see much of a hater you guys. I know, look, I don't think you're saying anything that we haven't heard more than once on Rob's podcast.

Rob, I wanna ask you, what is your thoughts on the season 50 cast and who's missing for you? Yeah, so I really feel like that to speak to a lot of the points that you made, I thought it was gonna be more of the old school flavor. Like I really felt like that to speak to a lot of the points that you made, I really, I thought it was going to be more of the old school flavor. Like I really felt like that, especially with some of the things that we were hearing about the survivor 50

casting, I thought that we were going to have more people that it was going to be all right. Let's bring back in like in baseball, they'll have like old timers day and it's like, okay, we're going to bring back all of the people. and it's like okay we're gonna bring back all of the people and it was like a really great point Evan Ross Katz made on the podcast recently like when they did SNL 50 that they brought back okay here's people from like all these different casts of the show it wasn't just okay a

few people from the old days but also a lot about the people that are currently on SNL. Yeah, I agree. What do you think? Did you do a winners pick yet? I think that my official winner pick, I think I'm going to say is Tiffany. I think you don't even know who that is. That there's a woman named Tiffany. Nobody's gunning for her.

I think she's going to do very well. I think Mike White also could do very well. Who do you think? Do you think it's going to kind of follow in the footsteps of 50? Do you think our coldies and our genders are going out pre jury? I think so. I think maybe not specifically them. But I think that the new era I think is more likely that they know each other are more likely to be sticking together. I think the old era people might be a little bit more like, hey, let me just hang on, okay, what do I care? All right, I'll say goodbye to this person.

Like, yeah, I don't know Jenna Lewis, I don't know Colby, sure. And then- What do you think Stephanie and Ozzie are gonna do? I don't think particularly well. Okay. I'm, okay, we'll have to, I will watch, just because I'm curious.

Yeah, we gotta see how it's gonna go after all this. Yeah, okay. All right, check out everything Brand Flakes has going on. We love to read your comments. Brandon Donnell, anything that you wanna promote? No, I'm so thrilled. This was so fun to listen to. So I'm the happiest I've ever been.

Oh yeah, by the way, check it out this weekend that we have a great podcast coming to our patron podcast feed. Brandon Donlin said, Hey, I got an idea. Let me cook. Okay. I want all of my funny survivor friends to come over and we want to do a survivor first boot draft. And I said, okay, go for it. That's gonna be coming to the Patreon podcast feed only Sunday night. We're going to bring you Brandon's first boot draft for Survivor 50.

Bram Flakes, who do you think is the first boot of Survivor 50 while we're here? Can we pull up the cast really quick? I think we can do that. Let's see how fast we can do that. I'm gonna Google and talk at the same time. The bad news is you're not gonna know who about. Really quick. I think we can do that. Let's see if that's where you pull it up from. I'm going to Google and talk at the same time. You're not going to know who about like, the people are.

Do we think that a modern like one of the new people is going to be first boot? I don't. Okay, so then I'll know. Let me look. I just put it in the private chat here. Actually, let me see if I can't share my. Oh, yeah, this is perfect. Oh, I'm going to go rogue. Go rogue.

I also watched Jonathan playing again. Like, what was his impact? He's big. He's big. Is he the guy? He is a strong guy. Okay. I just remember him being kind of like a dud, to be honest. I could see it being Aubrey. Aubrey.

That's a good. I don't remember where Aubrey went in the draft. And even if I did, you have to find out. I remember Aubrey being kind of a disappointment on Game Changers. I wasn't... She had a hard time finding her footing, but she came back a time after that too. She was on the edge of extinction. And she didn't do well either.

She's had diminishing returns. So a first boot for Aubrey would continue in that trend line. I don't think... this is why I'm going to say Aubrey, and I hope she proves me wrong, because I really do like Aubrey. But I think when you go on those first boots, especially in all star seasons, there's two things that really one, you don't have a good group of people that are you're not in a big alliance, which we see on the first her first two returning seasons was a struggle for her in the beginning.

She's not a dominant person in challenges. And I just think old school wise, it might be too much to vote off a huge old school name first. Like I don't think Ozzy is gonna be first boot. He's a challenge beast. They're gonna keep him around for a few rounds. But someone like Aubrey might fall through the cracks.

I don't know. She could, I would not be surprised if Aubrey is you also kind of do you want a big name to be the first boot in some ways like because it does really like excite like holy crap like they were the first person voted off like that's major like and she does have enough legend status that that's kind of an eyebrow raise if she's the first one to go. So I hope she proves me wrong though, because I like Aubrey. Okay. All right.

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