RHAP: We Know Survivor - Brice Izyah Talks Survivor 48 Ep 12

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

This week, Rob and the Purple Pants Badass, Brice Izyah, discuss Survivor 48 episode 12!

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sesternino back with you for another old school interview to hear to talk to one of the veterans of somebody who played in the 39 day season. Of course, welcome back my great friend, the baby boy. It's Bryce. Hey Bryce, how are you? Rob, Robert, I'm just trying to think about who is old school, okay? Cause Kageon is very much.

Middle school? Middle school, okay? I'm in sixth grade, let's you know. Yeah, okay, just had your moving up ceremony. You're here though. Yes, I got to see my my classroom baby boy. I hate to break it to you, but we got season 50 coming up like 28 That's like right halfway pretty soon. You're gonna have played in the first half of Survivor Played in the first half of the first half of the first half of Kageyama. Oh, okay.

That sounds more like it. Yeah. When we get to Survivor 56, you're right. You're going to be in the first half. That's not that far away. Listen, that is crazy, Robert, to think 56 seasons. Like that's just like, what, what, what, what the hell is going on?

That's so crazy that Survivor continues to keep going on. But still, I don't feel like I'm old school. Well, keeps on rolling, Survivor, as does Bryce Isaiah and the Purple Pants podcast, getting ready for a big Bryce and Wen finale party in New York City. I saw the poster wall to wall faces of people that have been on a television show. Yes, it's exciting. The premiere or not the premiere of the finale this Wednesday.

To see what happens with this season. Yeah, the baby boys will be in New York. It's a fun time. I think a limited amount of tickets are left. So, you know if you want to come be a part of the party, pull on up. BrysonWynn.com. Pull on up. Can I ask a question about that? The cast that sometimes they're like doing some of the West Coast, but I feel like there's nothing else going on, right? Can I ask a question about the cast?

That sometimes they're doing some on the West Coast, but I feel like there's nothing else going on, right? Not that happening on. There might be familiar faces? There might be some familiar faces, yes. Okay, all right, well we'll see. We'll see what happens on Wednesday night as we kick off Survivor Finale Week.

We are 48 hours away from the big Survivor 48 finale. We'll talk about it all. But Bryce, what's going on with you? I am excited to kind of put to bed. Bryce and Wynne tour 48. I have a work commitment coming up soon. So I'm going to have to take a couple of weeks off from podcasting. So I'm just really excited. This is very interesting. This work, a big work commitment coming up. Yes.

My job has this like retreat that they've selected some people for. And so I'm excited to do that and, you know, get a little break. So, you know, I might be missing an action for a couple of weeks, but I am just really looking forward to that. OK, all right. Well, you will be sorely missed while you're on your work retreat, but I wish you nothing but the best. Yeah, me as well. It's fun and I'm excited.

I miss some of my coworkers. OK, all right. Well, that's good to hear. All right. So what about your personal life? Everything outside of like Survivor, like in your home life, everything is good? Everything is good. There's drama on my block with the neighbors. You know, I live with, you know, I live in a nice area and the weather is warm. And so I don't know if the city does this, but do you ever see like mulch, like they'll dump a huge pile of mulch at the end of the block? And I guess it's just like for everyone to know. I've never seen that. Really? Okay, yeah. I know my wife is constantly ordering mulch from the Home Depot.

And that's expensive. The tariffs hit the mulch too. But yeah, so they'll put it in like a parking lot and in the middle of the night. And so the weather is warm. A lot of people are... What do you call it? A wheelbarrow? You do.

Yes. But there's like, that was drama in the parking lot this weekend because you know, my girl Carol from up the street, she has a huge wheelbarrow. And she believes that if she just leaves her wheelbarrow up, it kind of like leaves her space in line per se. Like she'll go up and leave it in the middle of the night.

And then 10 o'clock, nine o'clock in the morning, there are people like waiting in line to get their mulch. And you know, we're like a respectful neighborhood. So like if Tom and Jill and the kids are there, I'll wait behind them with my IKEA plastic bag because I don't have a wheelbarrow to put it in there. And so there's maybe like eight people in a line. Here comes Carol just walking up and she just walks up to the moat because her wheelbarrow is there and it just caused a really big ruckus in the line.

But no one said anything. Carol just did her thing. But they're all classic Carol. She just she thinks she's the block captain. Is there some kind of like mulch lifeguard that's making sure people are waiting in line? Like, I would think a big pile of mulch people would just come and self-serve. Right. And you can. But I think the issue is, is that when there are multiple people doing it, because it's pretty big and so you kind of have to like stand on it a little bit to scoop it out.

So it's just respectful to kind of like let the people that are there scoop it out and then go and then wait your turn. But not Carol. Carol came right on up. Her wheelbarrow was right to the side. She started. Yeah, but I stuff and she was awesome. This is kind of like a survivor challenge. It is who first of all, the better said, oh my god. This is kind of like a survivor challenge. It is. First of all, who has the better...

Scoop the mulch. Scoop the mulch. Who has the better lawn? And whose curb appeal on the block is better with the mulch. Sounds like the tree male. It really is. But I didn't know they died of mulch. Time to find out. Who on the block has the most curb appeal? And I don't know. Who would judgeoch. Who on the block has the most curb appeal? And I don't know who would judge.

I guess Jeff would judge it. So it's the neighborhood drama is heating up with the mooch. So, yeah. OK. Well, the neighborhood drama is heating up with this survivor final five. And finally, this week we had like a big swing in Shaheen. Ended up getting voted out. Now, Bryce, do you remember way back when it was about three months ago when you and I sat right here and we did It's a Look and you talked about how just you were mesmerized by Shaheen. Yes, still him, still him.

He's the strongest person out here and they know it. Yeah, I think Shaheen played a great game. I think he's super strong, but I also feel like he kind of fell into the trap of like following dad's rules in order because a little late in the game to try to make a little, I don't know, but I love Shaheen. I think that he was so great out there.

I think that he was in a strong alliance the entire game. He really was forward thinking, but it just kind of sucks when the numbers dwindle down to this section of the game. It's either eat or be eaten. And I think Shaheen was thinking he was going to eat, but... He got the eat on the reward. So, yeah, Shaheen was upset before the challenge started.

Of that he did not like that it was another arms challenge. Shaheen was ready but to go because he put in all the work on his legs and he said that look at these things these these legs are works of art. He never lied the Mona Lisa couldn't compare to them we love a little toned, hairy leg on a nice bearded man, okay? So although it wasn't really a challenge for them, we still got to see them and we've been seeing them all season. So, I mean, if it's best leg award,

yeah, you know, the, the torchie, the fishie, we might need to make a leggy. A leggy, okay. Now, would you say that you would be better, would you be hoping for an arm challenge or a leg challenge? Oh, I want a leg challenge all day. Yes.

My arms aren't that strong, but you know, I'm a runner, so I've got these nice, moisturized, hairless legs that can squat some pounds. So I definitely would want more of a leg challenge. So I was with Shaheen on that a lot. I'm trying to think, I never thought about the difference between leg challenge and arm challenge. It's more the squat, you gotta hold stuff up. You know?

But I feel like there's all that, those challenges I feel like are very rare. Like I think about like, okay, leg challenges, like hold the stick on your back and carry the weight. But I think that most of the challenges are like you're holding something. Right, or it requires your arms in some form or fashion, which again, since I'm a part of the old school,

even though it was still before my time, I miss a little bit more the physical challenges, the ring of fire in the water, because that you would need to use your leg, or the classic challenge where you hold onto the pole and they have to get you off. Whoa. I'm winning that challenge, but not because it's a leg challenge,

but like, you know, that encompasses your legs, your thigh, you're holding on. So it's like, yeah. Look, a lot of the challenges be different on Survivor, but, you know, I miss the really old school challenges. And this weekend, Bryce, my kids asked me, they said, Dad, did you ever win individual immunity? And I said, kids, sit down. Hit the Paramount Plus, let's go.

And I showed them the challenge in Survivor the Amazon where Bryce, I did win individually. And I'll refresh your memory because it's the, picture it, Survivor Amazon, Final Seven, and here I am and it's a nighttime challenge. And we're all set up and Jeff, they did nighttime challenges? They did a nighttime immunity challenge. Jeff is set up.

He's given us all a survey during the day and we're gonna answer questions about what was the most popular response in the tribe. I said, okay kids, here we go. And my older son Dominic says, Dad, what is this? They're asking you questions? This is like Big Brother. I said, hey, it was a good challenge. Listen, you're flexing your mind strength, okay?

Yes, and then, so I said, okay kids, just watch. Just watch, watch this challenge. And Jeff asked the question, okay kids, just watch, just watch, watch this challenge. And Jeff asked the question, okay, which person in the tribe do you have a crush on? And they're like, dad, what is this? This is what they talk about on Survivor? Who do you have a crush on in the tribe? What is this?

I was like, I don't know those are the questions. They ask they ask Who do you most want to see pose naked in a magazine and I get more dead? Why are they saying why are they like this? What I look I didn't think about that's what they asked us And then and then I win the challenge and they're like I'm like look see I went like you didn't do anything You just answer question one guy answered himself for every answer. You didn't do anything So even my great immunity win my kids Said this was stupid

One day they'll see the greatness. One day they'll appreciate it. My one line was like, oh, this will be great. I'll show my kids. I win immunity. And they said it was stupid. And the first lady of podcasting didn't love that we were watching it either. So it was like a triple whammy. Were you the person most voted that they wanted to see pose nude on a magazine?

No, no I was not. You're a d***head. They asked who here uses sex as a weapon? And my kids were like, what? Why are they talking like this? Like when are you going to run? Right. We had to answer questions, okay? It was a mental challenge. And Jeff is asking these questions at night as well. Yeah, so they were not impressed, but you know, anyway I digress Bryce so yeah Shaheen ends up being the person that ends up being taken out any thoughts on Shaheen the player? Like I was saying this this week on Survivor News like I think that Shaheen's

confessionals were great I think that we know that he was a mover and a shaker, but I sometimes got a little lost as to like, what actually were his moves? And I don't say that in a negative way. I say that in a way that he was a part of the, the Strong and Integrity Alliance. And so they kind of moved as a unit. So it was hard to see him deviate. And so, but I love Shaheen as a player.

And I really wish she had a number one, like a real number one outside of like Papa Joe, because I think Shaheen was right when he got voted out. And he said to Kyle, like, y'all know y'all got the best person out. Like, Shaheen really was dynamic and fun. It just sucks that like when you get sucked up into this big alliance,

it's hard to see what you're actually doing in the grand scheme of things. But yeah, I got to talk to Shaheen the other day and ask about like, so what was your plan? Like, did you feel like that you could just go to the end and then outtalk Joe? And that's really what he felt like he is a debate coach And is somebody who like takes a lot of pride in being able to make a persuasive Argument and the guy's great talker So I have no doubt that the plan may have worked in terms of like he gets to the end and Joe

not a big talker and I think that the difference between Joe and Shaheen was that the people that were on the bottom I think that Shaheen like gave them the time of day, and I'm not there. I'm just just my like My viewpoint I feel like that maybe Joe and Eva Didn't so much. I think that they were pleasant enough, but as far as like strategically like hearing somebody out I feel like if you weren't in the Alliance they were like mmm You know sorry, you know got nothing for you Whereas I think Shaheen was like a little bit more let people feel like and that could be dangerous because then sometimes they get mad

At you, but I think that Shaheen and he says that at the at the Ponderosa people said the I would have voted for you So I do think that that he did have a path to get to the end and to have won the votes It's just that for us at home So I do think that he did have a path to get to the end and to have won the vote. It's just that for us at home, it's not necessarily like a fun ride to get to that point to see like, okay, this is it. This is the status quo. And just wait till the final trial of the council. I'm going to win by debate.

Right. That's something James Jones would say because, you know, James Jones knows it all. But I really do think... Another great talker. Y'all... Okay. My ear for an hour and 45 minutes, Thursday or every Friday a Survivor season is on. James Jones calls my phone. I don't even say anything. But that is a good point, though, that Shaheen Shaheen says that like he could get to the end and

could potentially out talk Joe. And that is what I thought of this episode this week, right? Because when we see Kyle and Camilla make this great move, I'm saying to myself like, what are y'all doing? Why are you not going after Papa Joe or Eva? We clearly know why we can't go after Papa Joe because he has the necklace. But I'm like, why aren't y'all going after Eva?

And I am convinced, Robert, like I've never been more convinced that the editors are not showing us the full conversations of Kyle and Camilla. Because just like Shaheen said on your exit interview, I now think after them getting rid of Shaheen, that Kyle or Camilla, they want to sit at the end with a Eva and a Joe.

Because we see David taking a protest, we see Chrissy, we see Cedric. Like, I really think that a Shaheen, a Camilla, a Kyle, they do have better relationships with the jewelry. And I think that we might have a bit of jewelry. And I think that although, Joe, if he gets to the end, of course, like, it is a respectable game. You got to the end. But I think that the jewelry might not be as happy.

And I really think Kyle and Camilla have a pulse on that. And it is interesting because people have been saying this season, the second half of the season hasn't been that lackluster. I always say, hey, appreciate your pre-mergers people. Okay. Appreciate the Bianca roses. Appreciate the Thomas's. Appreciate the body. Stop and smell the Bianca roses, people. OK. OK. Yeah. And so stand with me when I say that the pre merge or the beginning of the season

is always the best, even before I was a third boot. I always just enjoyed the first half of the season. Anyway, with that being said, I think, although in the past, people have had a lot of discourse about bitter jewelry, I think a potential bitter jewelry could maybe be the cherry on the icing of this season that we might need as a surprise ending. Yeah. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Hey everybody, Rob here. Over the years, I've seen the conversation around mental health shift in a big way.

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Colorful, outspoken, speaking your mind. Would you vote for the person that took you out of the game? Potentially. Like, I think it's like, that's a loaded question, right? Because I'd have to be there. Maybe I could come back and tell you soon. But it is depending on how things go, right? So, it depends.

And again, depending on the season, right? I would believe that I would like to go in thinking how I would vote, but I really would want to be an open ear and open heart at those final deliberations to see what someone is saying because they might sway me. But personally speaking, no, the person that voted me out is not getting my vote, but my heart is open. Well, that's good to have out is not getting my vote, but my heart is open. Well, that's good to have out there because you don't want people thinking like, Hey, I'm going to basically, I'm going to take out Bryce and then I'll get his vote anyway.

Like, like Tony put Trish on the jury. And Trish had an iconic line to Tony. You look me in the face. You put on your kids. Was it worth a million dollars? I was like, oh. Was it worth it? She said.

Yes, it was. And he said, yes, it was. And he said, yes. And did he lie? No. No. No. Right. And so, yeah, that's that is the uphill battle that Papa Joe, if he gets to the end, is going to have is like honor and integrity. But how do you then describe that to the people that was in the Alliance that's on the jury? So I think it's really interesting

for these people that were on the jury. And we have been talking about how that Joe and Eva, lovely people, great folks, but did they kind of freeze people out where they never really felt like that they had a chance? The Marys, the Stars, ultimately, probably the Mitches, like the, you know, the Chrissies, like these people that they never felt like that they were heard, do you feel like that these are the type of people who might say,

now you're going to hear us tonight. You tonight, you told us all the whole time. Hey, sorry. Nothing I can do for you. Well, tonight there's nothing we can do for you. I. Three people I want to hear from on that jury. Chrissy, David, and Mother Mary. Okay, those are, that's- I would add Shaheen to the list.

Oh, and Shaheen, but like, yeah, I would add Shaheen. But I needs to hear Mary. I needs to, you know, I don't even want David to do anything. I just need David to stand up and scour. That would be enough for me. Like that, like, that would be enough for me. Yeah, if he just stands there and just gives them all the evil eye, you like that?

And then be like, that's it, thank you. Yeah. All right, so you talked about Kyle and Camilla. I'd love to go back and revisit them because they've had this secret alliance all throughout the game. It's very well talked about. I do feel like that this alliance has been more

to the benefit of Kyle than it has been to Camilla. And I wonder if this alliance was not secret, if that would have changed things for the better for Camilla this season. It could have. I mean, if only someone warned Joe that Kyle and Camilla were secretly working together. Yes, I do feel like the relationship, first of all, I feel like this Kyle and Camilla relationship is a little PTSD for me.

I feel like everyone in the relationship with the men's I've had in the last five years where it's like. I like you, but let's keep it on the low. Why we got to be one of the DL is 2025. But no, it's frustrating, but I can't be mad at it because in the beginning, I think that I thought Camilla was really the driving force, right? I thought Camilla was the brains of the operation. The more we get to see Kyle in his ways,

this move on Shaheen that he came up with was great. I think the issue is, is that I believe Kyle just has a little bit more agency than Camilla, right? Kyle's able to get into the strong alliance. Kyle's able to bro out with the boys. Kyle's able to have these relationships with Mitch and Camilla. And so he is more the public figure of it all.

And Camilla is kind of taking the passenger seat. And it sucks because I love Camilla's loyalty. I feel like Camilla reminds me of myself. Like, I'm always loyal to the soil. I'm always going to root. And sometimes it really is at the detriment of myself. And I just fear that Camilla has put herself in this position where it's kind of Kyle's game.

Now, if Camilla can get to the end, it's definitely, there's a world, there's a couple of possibilities I could see absolutely Camilla taking it. But it is, it just seems like it's Kyle's world and we're all just living in it. But again, I love Camilla's it, but it is, it just seems like it's Kyle's world and we're all just living in it. But again, I love Camilla's loyalty, right? Like she's loyal to the soil and I love that. I also just hate that because it's like, just

taking my own advice, is that like, I need to, we need to be loyal to ourselves. Let's normalize putting ourselves first. And especially before a man that texts you back every four days with one word answers. But then at 12.45 on a Sunday night, you get the blue eyes and you perk up and say, hey, I'm up. But anyway, let's normalize. Sorry.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4. Have a little flashback, Robin, OK? These men's out here, these Kyles. But no, but let's normalize putting ourselves first. However, I was having this conversation with James Jones. And I was asking James, like, do we believe Camilla could have gotten this far without a Kyle? Yes and no, right?

But I don't think that she would be as intricately woven into the fabric of this final six, five that we're at. The issue is, is that Camilla knows where all the bombs are at. Right? Like she knows where the grenades and the, like she knows everything. Information is power. And so, will, could, would the jury respond

to her dropping bombs at the end of the day? Like, you know what I mean? But I also feel like she needs, she would have to, and I don't wanna see this, but she would have to do Kyle dirty. Like she would need to throw him under the bus. Because she could go to Papa Joe.

She could say, hey, Dad, I'd like to admit, Kyle was the one that put the dog poop on the neighbor's doorstep in the plastic bag and ran the doorbell. Like, you know, she could really kind of blow things up. Now would Joe receive that? I don't know. I definitely think the plan that they worked out this week with Kyle coming to Joe with that plan I think you know because he's in that strong integrity alliance but there just is a world that Camilla could blow some ish up and it could work in her favor, but it's just a risky

move and that's what you kind of have to weigh out. Do I blow up my own game or do I go as far as I could go? This makes actually, you know, I have a question for you Rob that I was asking some other people and I really liked their responses. I feel like there's a lot of pressure now. Okay. You could answer this. Okay. So let me just set the scene. I think, or my thought process is, is that in survivor, obviously there's only one winner, right? And one person gets rewarded with a million dollars. I also just feel like as a survivor community, I don't think we put enough respect on say the fourth person, the fifth person, the fourth, third, you know what I mean? Like, and what are your thoughts on say?

Say? In this? She was good. Yes. I thought she was pretty good. Hey, she's been on TikTok. She's been saying the season, the season ain't the same without her, OK? But is there a world where, say, you're on a season,

and it's down to the final six, right? And you have the wherewithal to know, hey, I kind of got brought here. The Lord Jesus Christ saved me in that immunity challenge. And so I'm here. I kind of know I didn't do the most compared to BC and D, but I don't have the agency in the game to really make a move.

I can try, I can attempt. Like, what's your thoughts on somebody being like, you know what, well, shoot, let me just get as far as I can try, I can attempt. Like, what's your thoughts on somebody being like, you know what, well shoot, let me just get as far as I can go. Like, cause I can read the room. What's your thought on someone playing like that when they get towards the end? So I want to make sure I'm understanding the question.

So when you say, okay, this person has gotten to six and are they saying like, hey, let me just stay where I am cause I'm trying to get into the final three so that I can get the losing finalist prize money. Like, I'm not actually trying to win at that point. I am going from six to I am just, I'm trying to win runner-up money.

Yes. And here's the thing, but let me also just add a little bit to it. You're not giving up, right? Like, you know, like you're still playing a game. You just. No, again, given the jury, given the people that you have this you're on this island with, right?

Like you can just read the room. Yeah. Like what's your thoughts on that? I don't love it as far as like it be, I think it kind of ruins the show in some ways where you sort of like get like a very boring end game where you have a person who's just basically not really trying, but I'm sure it does happen in Survivor where there are people that feel like I can't really win, you know, I'm sort of fine to not win. I'd rather make $100,000 rather than, I don't know what the prize money is

for sixth place in the new era. I don't know if it's like, I don't know if they've changed it at all. It's been a minute since I was out there. So, but if we had to guess, if you had to guess, do they get $60,000 to come in sixth place? Probably less. Maybe.

Maybe $50,000. Maybe, I would think maybe a little more, I don't know. But just say that's the number. But can I push back on that Rob though? Because I feel like it's not giving up. I'm not saying that this person isn't like, oh, I'm not gonna make a move if I can't but like they Are just

Aware of what's going on? Yeah, and they they're still playing they can still make a move But at the end of the day, it's like yeah, I understand I might not win but let me go as hard as I can go to get as far as I can get like I Don't know why but are you going as hard as I can get. Like, I don't know why. But are you going as hard as you can go, or are you just going to see as far you can get? Because it seems like there's still a percent chance that, you know, your torch is still lit. Like, you could still do something

to get to the top prize. And if you go down swinging, you go down swinging to just sort of like sit there and say like, hey, I'm just playing for losing finalist money. I'm not actually still trying to go for number one Yes, but also take the money out of it because I am still saying like I rather be third than six right like like a first second third I Just feel like people are still, you have a fight to fight.

And yeah, I know I might not win this marathon, but I'ma still keep on running. And if I come in fourth, if I come in fourth, I don't know. I just feel like you, we just, it's hard to stay in the game. It's hard to go with the flow, lie to your friends. And I just feel like we just don't give credit to sometimes like the fourth, the third runner up.

Like it's a sacrifice. It's hard for them to do that, to be in that position, to move how they move. So again, I'm not saying like give up, but I'm just saying like sometimes you gotta fight for a spot. And yes, it's the number one spot that we want, but it still takes a lot to be in that second seat. It still takes a lot to be in that third seat. It still takes a lot to be in that fourth seat.

There still are sacrifices that you have to make. And I just feel like, again, I feel like I'm on the losing side of this battle because the people that I talked to, they kind of said the same thing that you were saying and I got defensive and I was cussing and fighting with them. Well, I think it's like a fine point that you're trying to make. Because I think that people are going to interpret it as that, okay, people just give up and stop trying and are content to just take that second place money. I don't think that's what you're saying.

I think that what you're saying is like, hey look, I'll go for it but like if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Maybe I don't necessarily want to go balls to the wall and go like and crazy and go like on a really, I'm not gonna play as risky as possible. I'm fine too. Like I'll go for it but if I end up like shooting for the stars and hit the moon that's okay too. Yes but just even the way you say this little lackluster but yes essentially that's what I'm saying and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Is there somebody is

there a past player that you think in your mind you could think of that has played that way? Is there a present player that you think is playing that way? No, but I can't um I'll go first Okay, I said like think about woo. Yeah my season. Yes I'll go first. I don't know if you want to play. Okay. Think about Wu on my season. Yes. Now, was Wu playing for second place or did Wu think he was making the...

Did Tony have him so spun around that he thought he was making the winning move? I don't know. Okay, how about this? Maybe this is a better example. the winning move. I don't know. How about this? Maybe this is a better example. What about Sue last season? Okay, Tsunami, right. I think that that is- I don't think she gave up.

I think she wanted to go- I don't think she gave up. And I think that she, again, gave her best, went with what she got, and she made it to the end. Did Tsunami think that she was gonna win? I don't know, but she did what she had to do, and I feel like everyone that had saw Tsunami season last season, she was in it, right?

And towards the end, she kinda did make decisions that kind of just went along with things, but it went along for things to better her game, to get her at the end. So, yeah, I think Sue could be a great point to that. Like, I don't think at any point in time, Sue was giving up. And you listen to Sue, she's a fighter. She was fighting the whole time. So I like that could be a good example.

But I know people probably wouldn't want to be in that example because it kind of sounds like you gave up. But I'm not saying that I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that. I think there's a certainly a and I didn't get all the way to the end that there is an achievement of I got to the promised land. I got to the final three one way or another and if I didn't optimize my chances to win the game who cares so what is a 26 day game? I made it to day 26 at the start of this game. I would have given anything to be in one of these three seats I'm here. You're not you know what do you what do you want?

And I do think that there is like an achievement in that I do think that it's easier to say from home Yeah, but are you trying to optimize to win at each decision point? I think the show would like the players to do that, but I certainly understand the human nature of like, hey, this is a victory just to get to the end. Like, sorry, I didn't play as exciting as you wanted me to, but I got to the end of the race. as exciting as you wanted me to, but I got to the end of the race. That's what I'm saying. And I feel like to add onto that,

Survivor is, a piece of it is luck, right? Like a piece of it is you don't know who you're gonna be out there with. You don't know what the mix up could be. And so sometimes you're just not in a, like you're just not placed in a position that you can move around in. And so, I just bring that up to just, you know, just give people a little light, give people a little love,

because we do always celebrate the winners, but I feel like after this Wednesday, whoever wins this season, then second and third and fourth place, they're forgotten. And to somebody like myself that was out third, I look up to any, like I look up to the fourth person out, the fifth person out, like I'm like, you survived. And so again, I know the discourse that I will get from this

because I've seen it, but I still take my hat off to fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh place. That's an accomplishment. Like, it's hard out there. Yeah. I want to bring in Shaheen himself was talking about something similar. And I'm not sure if that's what started this conversation for you. Did you see this?

That this is from Shaheen on Twitter and he said Genuine question a player a gets ninth but had a genuine shot to win the game player B gets third But never had a shot is a goat not the goat a goat Who's better at Survivor? The person who comes in third place or the person who comes in ninth place but was a threat? See this is like the chicken or the egg, right? Because I Don't know that's the interesting question because I feel like player a will be idolized in the survivor community and so sometimes

It's better not to win. Sometimes it's like if the community embraces you and loves you, like I always think of like a Jesse Lopez. Jesse Lopez ain't one survivor, but damn, you couldn't tell me. I've talked to more people that are like, Jesse Lopez is my God. I worship him. Like they love that. Are those fans or those are fellow players?

It's me. But no, it's fans. Like they love that. So again, it's like that's an interesting question that Shaheen asked because I feel like in the fandom, I think people will respect player A more because they'll love it, but they won't really respect player B, but and that's a very valid point But what I'm saying is see I think I disagree I think that in talking with the fans I think that the player who went out ninth but like was the player who would like had Like a shot to win. I do think that they revere that person more than the person who was the zero vote finalist

That's what I'm saying. Okay player a yes. That's what I'm saying. Player A. Yes. Yes. We're agreeing. Okay. Got it. Yes. Sorry. I got it mixed up because you're right. I'm wrong. I thought that was the Player A got further. Player A did worse in the game. Right. But yeah. And so like I definitely agree to that. Yeah. But also, when you are so likely to win or like when you're doing so good, that's also is that good gameplay because people can spot it, identify it and take you out. Yeah.

In the new era, it hasn't been. In this season though, it seems like that there has been less of a interest in taking out the threats. Correct. Because the threats stay together. Let's be clear, right? As viewers, it's maybe not fun to watch, right? But I mean, I give Papa Joe a standing ovation for you to be able to use this power that you had and to essentially have the season go the way that you want it to go.

Like, that is a hard thing to do and especially in Survivor. But again, I am so curious to see what happens this Wednesday because I wanna know, I feel like the pendulum swings, right? And we've had the diversity initiative and the pendulum swung and bae bae, we had the women and the gays, we was out here winning. And this season, I think the men were like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

a gay and three women, we need a man, right? And so they're like, by any means necessary. And so now they have, they come together and I kind of love it, right? Because that actually, and I was speaking to someone about this earlier and they're like, I don't like that. I'm like, I love it because it actually, it means the diversity initiative that me and other survivors fought for, it means it's working. It like, but will that, the way that they got to the end,

will, how will the jury respond to it? That is like the interesting part. Because again, if Joe gets at the end and he wins, I think, hey, well deserved. Just like Trish said, was it worth it? Yes. Tony said that, but I'm so curious. That for me is still what makes this season exciting, right? Like if Papa Joe can get to the end and take it home, like, whoo, but what if he gets to the end and he doesn't? Then it's like, y'all weren't reading the room. So although it's not as an exciting,

I mean, it's no, it's Operation Italy, right? We are not at Olive Garden, right? We are definitely at Little Caesarars Pizza Pizza right now. But the Little Caesars Pizza Pizza's be hot and fresh. And so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. And again, I know it's boring for us to watch, but it's no easy feat or not feat or fleet for Joe to hold this much power.

And sometimes when you have this much power, then you get people like a Camilla and a Kyle that are sneaky, sneaky running around. So it is still interesting, I think. But I mean, I'm excited to see what happens on Wednesday. Bryce, I think this season is so interesting because I think that this season has caused two very different reactions in people.

That there are a lot of the people that I talk to in this fandom who are very like, wringing their hands of like, but are we gonna do anything? Are we gonna make a move? Like a tick tock, come on, let's go. And I certainly have been in that camp of like, hey, nothing's happening, come on guys,

like let's do something. And people have said very down on the season. But there is a whole group of people and they tend to be the people who are not as much online, the people not as much the people who are listening to the podcast. And this is certainly my mom. This is certainly like some of the people on the streets. And I have not been on the survivor Facebook page in a minute.

But I suspect if I go over there, there are some people that are really loving this season, loving this group, loving these relationships, loving more about seeing the interpersonal dynamics of this group that doesn't want to necessarily turn on each other. I think that this season is a little bit of a mirror in terms of what do you love about Survivor? Is it the gameplay and strategy or is it the relationships and the people?

Right. I come, I couldn't agree more, but this is another thing that I'll say to Robert. I think that watching this season live might be not as fun. However, I think in three years to the new people that get into Survivor, binging this season, I think might hit differently. I really do. Because stuff has happened, right? But to wait seven days before to see something else happen, right? It's interesting. And again, I come back to this ending. I am so curious, like you said, like we're itching for a move, right?

And it always sucks when people are like, you gotta wait, I'm wait, I wait, I wait. But like I said before, I think Kyle and Camilla had a read on the jewelry that the editors are not allowing us to see because to lead for a bigger surprise. But what if the big move is to let Joe continue to be the big dog?

Like, let's not forget that that still is a move, right? Like the nuance of it all, let the king rule, but we the people and that potentially could happen. And I think if something like that were to happen, I think again on the rewatch, the season would look different. Also, it's like if daddy Joe wins and also it's like, well, dang, he really, he took this season. So, yeah, well, I think it's going to be very interesting when we get to Wednesday night and either like it's going to be very interesting when we get to Wednesday night. And either, like, it's going to be some kind of scenario where maybe Joe will win,

maybe he will lose. I'm like, okay, thank you, Captain Obvious. But I feel like that either Joe will win and, like, all of the story that was devoted to him will... Okay, that will have, like, made sense. But I feel like if Joe loses the game I I really do feel like that there will be some anger from all of these folks who watch this season and say like okay oh this is like my mom is like okay what is it nice to see like a nice man? Winning this season imagine if Joe loses the game because that there is a bitter jury

towards Joe After this season that we've just had building Joe up to be this amazing person I think people are gonna be very upset about that. I mean, I understand Survivor. I've seen it all. I've seen every one of these different juries. They've all, I lived through when Russell didn't get the votes. But I really do feel like that Joe,

who's been depicted as nothing but heroic throughout the entire season, if he loses because of a bitter jury, I think that there's gonna be some people that are pissed. I think so, I could agree with that. But also it's like, yes, and I love Papa Joe. I love him with his shirt off and everything, but I think that over these last-

That's what Sean Hill said. I mean, Sean Hill wasn't wrong, okay? But I also think that, yeah, Joe is a great person, but he's not perfect. We've seen his blunders these last kind of two weeks, and it really, his Achilles heel is, he gets fritzy and like, he's human. And so he is making some mistakes, and we will see whether or not those blunders will cost

Him a million dollars if he gets to the end, but I don't think that People can be mad like of course you want you want who you want to win But I don't think that you could be mad at that because if he doesn't win we've seen it. It's not it Let's talk about this. What actually is a bitter jury, Robert? Because like, if I'm David, okay, with four nipples, drink two gallons of milk a day, if I'm working with Joe, I say, hey, Kyle and Camilla is a thing,

we need to get them out. And then like you then Help to vote me out and if you get at the end and I don't vote for you because you broke my trust Is that bitter or like? Would you define that as bitter or like hey like yeah, how did Joe then? Defend that action at the final tribal council, I think comes down to it. So if Joe gives like a response that is, and again, that's what I kind of love about the individual questions of our tribal council,

I kind of feel like every single person is its own little puzzle that you have to solve. And so can Joe say, solve the Rubik's Cube that is, you know, David's psyche and ego. And if he can like punch in the right combination, there's a way he could get his vote. Now, if that he kind of does say the right thing and David's like, you know, this is like my,

I'm stabbing you still. This is my chance to hurt you with my vote. Like my win condition now is that you don't win. That to me is what the definition of a bitter juror is. Okay. Okay. Let me log in that into my brain. Now, here is what I am worried for Joe.

If Joe gets to the end, even though it's looking like he is I Am worried that You know, I love a Mike Turner. Yeah, I'm worried that we might get a Again, cuz Joe was a great guy, you know, he's a firefighter, but I don't know if you know the the the words He's a firefighter, but I don't know if, you know, the words, right? Like, I think he's a humble man. I'm worried that he might give a Mike Turner speech. And I love a Haboken Mike,

but Haboken Mike didn't really stand on business at his final speech. He kind of like, he gave the HR response to me asking about the time and attendance policy after I've been late six times, I'm on my last occurrence. Like he just gave that very not owning anything. Yeah, that Mike did not have a good read on what the jury wanted to hear.

And I do think that there is certainly a path where Joe loses the game because people, the jury is like, but Joe, how come you didn't give us a chance? How come? And when he's talking about, I played an honest game, I played a game with integrity. And I think the jury is going to have a little bit of a disconnect of like, how did you play with integrity when you never gave me a chance to play in this game? Just because you had more numbers than me? I have to lose for that?

How do you, and he's like, well, I was just being loyal to my people. And then the juror is gonna say, hey, well then, I don't have to be loyal to you. I have no loyalty to you. You didn't even try to win my vote in the game. Why should I give my vote to you today? Now is that a bitter juror?

I think they, No, the juror that you just described. Yeah, I think so. I think that that would be a bitter juror. Cause I think if you were just completely open to everything, I think you would say, okay, Joe, he had his numbers, he did all of the things that you're supposed to do to get to the end. He was the leader of this alliance. So I think that maybe if

I'm just like, you know, grading the test and I don't see whose name is on the test, I'd say, okay, that's probably a winning game. But because I didn't get included in anything that you wanted to do, now this is my chance. So maybe I'd be a bitter juror too. Yeah, I mean, sometimes, I mean, now, if you're saying, if you're saying that's a bitter jury or juror, you might have to sign me up because I, again, I feel like, all right,

so tell me if this is a bitter drawer. Yeah. I don't care what you, I don't care if you had a winning game, okay? If you asked with me on the island and after me up I'm not giving you a million dollars. Yeah Yeah, my better definitely. Yeah, that's okay Okay, every fan at home listening to this I bet things like no I wouldn't I would not be a bit of a juror But guess what when it happens to you?

Then you feel like that. Okay, well, this is my chance to, and I think that survivor tries to prevent about that. They do the big like group think tank of like everybody. Okay. So we talked it through, right? Everybody. I think they're trying to prevent those bitter juror votes, but we said they still happen. Okay. Quick question again to my bitter juror. So it's not on a person that voted me out, Robert, to manage the jury better, to have maybe had a better relationship with me? None of that is on them.

It's just me being a bitter juror. I think if you are grading them on how they manage the jury, I think that that is getting close. Like if you are grading them for what they did in the game, I think that that should be the criteria. If you are grading them on what they did to you, I think that that's probably, you're trending towards the BJ. Okay. All right, Robert, now we take it. Okay. So what? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, five, four, three, two, one.

I feel like I'm getting you upset. No, oh no, you're not. But I just, I'm getting hype. Because now I wanna know, so what's the definition of jury management? I think the definition of jury management is that, hey, I could burn a couple of people here. Like, I only need five votes

Okay, there's eight people on the jury like I could burn, you know three of you But when I'm burning four of you and now I no longer have a winning combination to get to the end I think that's like the definition of jury management and these are good questions that you're asking. Because we throw these terms around a lot and I love that you're holding my feet to the fire of trying to get me to define them. So now I will go back to my original statement about me being a bitter drawer. If I'm one of the three people that said person burned, technically am I a bitter drawer? Because in the drawer management of things, you can burn three drawers. Yeah. And you're welcome to make the case to get more

people to swing to your numbers. Okay. It's like, okay, I guess you're one of the you're telling me that I was one of the people that you didn't care if you got my jury vote. And I think that there's a lot of people on this jury that might feel that way. We saw that, I think it was the Chrissy vote, where Camilla brings up like, well, I just think it's bad jury management. Right. That had been foreshadowing. It's such a nuanced and interesting subject, right?

Because I literally am thinking like, I would not want to be a bitter drawer. Like I would really want to like be, give my opinion, but I just also feel like it's just hard again, like, you know, me being a black queer man, right? Like my lived experiences and so so like what I experienced sometimes, like I might see it on the island. And so like to someone watching at home,

said person kind of like dismissing me and voting me out. Yeah, it's one thing as a part of the game, but also like for me and other people that are different, like it's a little different, right? But I hear what you're saying, but then it just kind of makes me wonder and other people that are different. Like it's a little different, right? But I hear what you're saying. But then it just kind of makes me wonder how we,

like, I don't know. It's like how we, it's just very interesting to see like the juries, the quote unquote, bitter juries, jury management and where things go from because. And to go back to Shaheen, who might feel like that, hey, I had a case against Versus Joe because yeah, I put people on the jury, but I always got to know them as a person. It wasn't for me that you weren't in my alliance.

You were still a person that I respected that was out here. And making that person feel seen, even if it wasn't going to work out, I think that Shaheen felt like that he had enough of those people on the jury that where Joe and Eva who were just like okay like they were they were fine they were nice but if you weren't if you didn't ride with them they just didn't you know give you that kind of same I don't say respect but like the time of day where we see Joe and Eva often in the beginning of the day there we see them in a group conversation They talk to their alliance. It's a lot of like, okay, what's the plan today?

What are we doing today? And then I think for some of these other people I think that it was really hard to break into that conversation if you weren't in that group and I think that Shaheen had more of those one-on-ones with people and really had a you know, outside the game relationship maybe with more of those one-on-ones with people and really had a, you know, outside the game relationship, maybe with more of these players. Absolutely. And I think we should be a little nicer to the bitter drawers, right? Only because, again, as fans watching, it's like, yeah, you should be open and honest and listen to your heart.

However, I definitely think it hits different when you're on the island and it happens. Like you sometimes can't account for your emotional response to this day. It's 50 50 when I speak to LJ or Jeremiah, if it's going to be a pleasant conversation when they call. Yeah. So it's like, I just, yeah. Here, can I give you something else with the bitter juror? Okay. All right. So let's say we're in the game. Okay. And you make me feel real burned on the way out. Okay. You have your alliance and I and I think I'm part of it. And then I got burned and I am burnt up about this. Now I go to Ponderosa and now

I try to smear Bryce at Ponderosa. Anybody that'll listen to me like, oh Bryce was, you know what he really thought about you, right? Where now I am dragging your name and your game through the mud at Ponderosa, not just about what you did to me. Now I'm actively working to poison the jury against you. I think that that's another way you could be a bitter juror. See, that's my definition of a bitter juror. Like, that's what you just described.

And also, then it just makes you wonder, like, should the jurors be kept separate? Honestly, they should. They will, survivor, you know, and Jeff, whenever they get asked about this, that they have a laundry list of things of like, well, it's really for the mental wellbeing of the survivors, they wanna be with the tribe.

They wanna be around each other. It helps with the healing process. Perhaps it does. My experience on that type of jury was I was there for one night with the other people from Survivor the Amazon. So I didn't go on a healing journey with the jury. I went to Ponderosa, we had a toga party, I got very drunk, I woke up the next day, we had lunch, and I went to the final trial council. Like that was, so I didn't really have a healing process with the jury, but they say that that's part of it. Also they say that it's just like the resources that would be required. I mean, they could do it if they wanted to. But for whatever reason,

they don't. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, with the humble brag, I just had one night. I didn't mean it to be a humble brag. I was trying to say that I don't have like the experience. Even though I was on a jury, I could not tell you that like being around the other jurors helped on my healing journey. I think if I would have spent the night alone I would have been fine but it was one hell of a night that was a crazy night. My first night off the island I had me a time too. I do think though um and that scenario of the bitter drawer, I also kind of feel like it does negate the other drawers out there that like, they can't be independent.

They don't have their own minds. They don't have their own thoughts. But like, yeah, it's just interesting. But again, that's also the name of the game is Survivor. You see these characters, you see these people, you just as much, it's interesting because I feel like, comes back to Say, I feel like we had this huge conversation about the Say not being on a jury, as if like something like that, she would be a bitter jury. But like, I mean,

you might want to get in the game. But yeah, it's interesting. But again, these nuanced conversations to the. I don't know. I don't want to say casual survivor fam, but I think that like when people are just say, oh, this season is so boring. It's really not like you just want the action. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But no, sometimes survivor isn't that Survivor is these kind of straightforward seasons and then it's like dissecting the different moves, what's happening.

I will say yes, towards the end, the roll got a little slow. However, probably this season, the amount of conversations I have had with people about the possibility of endings has been far kind of my favorite part of this season. It's like engaging with the community, talking with people, having these conversations with you.

So I think, you know, we need to be a little nice on 48. It's not over, We'll see what happens. OK, wait, wait, wait. And here's my last question. But one of my other questions, Rob, because I'm not being shady, because listen, I love Mitch. Don't miss. Is there a winning shot for Mitch? Robert! If he wins immunity at five, if he wins immunity at five and then makes the fire at four, I think he can get to the final three but I still don't think he can win okay and I

can talk that through because here's why I think that he could get a couple of votes I think that there's a couple people like Chrissy and Cedric that are on the jury that are Mitch fans but I kind of feel like that for Mitch okay he wins final five immunity he then goes on and he makes the fire takes out Joe or whatever and he sits there with I don't know who's I guess Camilla goes out at five and then Takes out Joe so it'd be Kyle Eva and Mitch I think that Kyle wins in that scenario because I wonder are these players like star were Mary Because I wonder, are these players like Star, or Mary, going to cast their vote for Mitch

when they were sort of like down and out, and they came to Mitch, and they were like, Mitch, hey, tonight, let's make a move, let's go. And he's like, what? I can't vote with you. That is a good point. That's a good point. Now, because then I'd say, like, well, yeah. And possibly if he did vote with y'all, he probably would be in that third seat as to where he's at.

But I also feel like one of the things, and again, I love Mitch, one of the things where I was mad in my mind yelling at the TV image When he was talking with Shaheen and he was like rocking Shaheen on the hammock. Yeah He was like rocking Shaheen like a baby And I just I he had his legs out Yeah, see the legs. I loved it. I was like Mitch we don't like a little bit to me of it was almost like that Shaheen was like a king and

Mitch was sort of like the like person serving the king of like, okay I just want to get in good favor with the king here as the king rests and is thinking I'd rock the hammock too. But the thing that frustrated me in that conversation, I love my baby boy Mitch, but it was like, well, we said we get to the final six and then we play our own game. Like that, I was just like, baby. Whoop, like that.

That's like when you out with your coworkers at a coworker happy hour and it's six of y'all, we all like, we gotta do this again sometimes. It's so fun. And it's like, yeah, let's put it on the calendar. Like, it's like that type of conversation. That's what I was kind of like with Mitch saying that. I was like, Mitch,

what are you doing? If you wait till six to make a move, what's the move with who? But sometimes when there's that dominant alliance out there, right? Like you, like I under, and again, I give Mitch grace, like I understand the position that he's in but I'm just like Baby, you had star. Yeah You had mary and that's I missed the chaoticness of I want to say Was it 43 44? I I missed the chaoticness of one of those seasons where? I ain't like you yesterday, but we could vote together today like I miss that type of and we never really got you know from Mitch like what he was

reading somewhere else where it really felt like that this was a scenario where you had a a locked in for of you know Shah Kyle, and maybe Mitch is like, hey Rob, it wasn't so locked in because Kyle voted out Shaheen. But you had a seemingly locked in four of Shaheen, Kyle, Joe, and Eva, and then you had four people that were on the bottom. And if there was ever a scenario to go to Rocks, it seems like that that might have been it.

Where if Mitch does go out at five, what the hell was the difference to go out at eight versus to go out at five? Because maybe you get the right rock that night and now this is a totally different game. that night and now this is a totally different game. Do you feel like people are scared of like just going to rocks in general? Do you feel like people, okay.

And do you feel like it needs to be utilized more? Like you need to like roll the dice. Yeah, this is such a good question. And people like Justin's like, please don't roll the dice. Bianca's like, no, Bryce, take it back. But I think, so I think what's really interesting about this is that the perfect example of going to rocks was in Survivor Blood versus Water, where Tyson and everybody, write this down, Tyson and everybody, they went to, that it was Sierra, Hayden, and Caleb forced the rock draw. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was it was Katie not Caleb

It was they forced the Tyson and Jervis and Monica to have to go to a rock draw at the final six because they felt Like that. Hey, if we don't make our move tonight Then we're never gonna be able to get past Tyson and Jervis and Monica and they were right They were never gonna be able to do it if they didn't make that move tonight, so they forced the 3-3 split but now You have the final four fire making so it totally at six You don't necessarily need to go to rocks at six because if me you and Sam have our three-person alliance and yeah we could go to rocks but if they're gonna vote out Sam anyway and

I'm like okay well now I just need to not get voted out at five I could get to final four fire making and maybe I make the fire and now all of a sudden I'm getting into the final three off of like I can still do that but at eight You know you you're not even in the fire yet So if you're trying to if there's an unbreakable top four and you're in the bottom four I kind of feel like that eight is the point where Maybe you should go to rocks when the other when the top four is being so obvious about that Hey, you can't get in our four.

Now, I don't know if Shaheen was telling Mitch, hey, listen, when we get the five, trust me, Mitch, you're my guy. It's going to be me, you and Kyle are going to flip on Joe. I don't know if Mitch was getting sold the bill of goods. We never saw it on the show if Mitch was getting sold something. That's so interesting because okay now Earlier what I was saying about the person that's like maybe I know I can't win and like they're just going to try their best

To get to whatever place that they get do you think the scenario of that player that hey, we can't break this for up Let's go to rocks say let's go to rocks. Say we do go to rocks, it doesn't work out, and unfortunately I get voted out. Do you think, kind of like Shaheen's tweet, do you think that rock player will be more celebrated in the community because it's like, hey, they went balls to the rocks.

If Mitch went to rocks at eight and got rocked out of the game, I think he would be far more celebrated than Mitch if he goes to five, doesn't win individual immunity, and gets voted out. Okay. Interesting. I mean, Mitch don't miss.

I still love me some Mitch. I don't know all of the details about. Super nice guy for sure. But I think that there are fans, and maybe too much so, who don't like that it felt like, okay, well, I'm just gonna sit on my hands. But there was a move to be made, and now it's seeming like he's running out of runway

to be able to have tried something. Yeah, but. We don't mind, as in the survivor community, when you try something and you failed. We really don't mind. What we do mind is when it seems like you didn't try to do anything and still failed. I feel like I get it, but also it's like,

y'all don't be knowing what it's like out there, and we don't know what the edit left off. So I won't cast my judgment just yet, but I mean, I could see a world of how you feel that way. Mm-hmm. Again, I'm just a third boot. I'm just trying to learn all that I can learn and absorb all of these things

because hopefully they can be put to good use. Okay, you got the notebook out. Yes. Okay, all right. I've got to give you another interesting question. Okay? This one comes from your friend and mine, the great Stephen Fishback, has a brand new book available for a pre-order. Escape! Exclamation point. Pre-order now wherever books are sold. He asked this question Sunday night. If Joe and Eva are in fire together, would Joe throw?

Bryce, this is one of the most interesting questions in the survivor community at this hour, okay? It's not hard to fathom. Kyle, maybe Camilla, wins Final Four immunity challenge. And then ends up taking the other one to the Final Three. For instance, let's say Kyle wins it, says I'm gonna take my buddy Camilla. Joe and Eva end up against each other, not unlike Tony and Sarah in Winners at War. The unbreakable duo is headed to the final four fire making competition

What does that look like? That's interesting And I wouldn't have thought much about it, but I felt like in this episode when Eva got disqualified I felt like Joe immediately dropped out as well. But I don't think... I don't think Joe would drop out. I think after this episode, after us seeing Joe talk about his sister, about how his sister got him into Survivor and what it means to be here

and him having that emotional moment. I don't think, I don't think Joe would. I think Joe is an honorable man. But, and I don't think letting Eva win is, in my opinion, like that's not honorable in the sense it's like, girl, she gonna win, she going to win. And so I don't think that Joe would I think I think Joe would absolutely Try his best and the fireman not make fire. Yeah, I will say I'll take the other side of this I think if Joe and Eva end up in the final four fire making I think that um, I don't know if Joe would necessarily Act like I don't know what I'm doing Could he help her?

Potentially could he work with her to make her fire? Because we saw this going back in the first episode of the season. What did Joe say about Eva? He said, if I lose my game for her, so be it, I would lose the game for her. That's who I am. And I'm not an amateur psychologist.

And we can get ourselves into trouble when we do so but I just get the sense from the way that Joe talks about his relationship with his sister and his sister's love of the show. I get the sense that the win was getting to Survivor and getting to tell the story of his sister on Survivor. And I feel like that for Joe, an evil win is still a Joe win. I don't necessarily get the sense that his story, and this is a little bit of the edit sort of, but I feel like that Joe has talked about his, he's doing it for his kids, but he doesn't necessarily talk about that like the money or even necessarily

like the win. He's here to show people. He said here to set an example. He's doing it for people that he loves, but he's also very much like here and a champion for Eva. And I really think that he would look at it as getting Eva to the finish line where he can then go to the jury and stump for her. I think that he would be able to find victory in that. I'm sure he could find victory in that but we playing for

him. Eva might not like it if he does that. Eva might say, Eva is a competitor. She might say, like, no, pick up the snacks, my guy. Right. Right. Not my guy. That's what my goddaughter would be saying. I'll call her up like, hey, Marlon. She'd be like, what's up, my guy? But like, don't.

So that's just funny hearing that from you. But no, I really don't think that. Because I think Joe's whole thing was like, we're going to go to the end together, baby. Like, and I'm sorry, if we're at fire together, we're at the end together, baby. I definitely think that sometimes it's like fire is your life in the game. That's what it represents. And it'll eat. Right. OK.

Rabatoard. So for him to fight Eva, not fight, but for him to battle it out with Eva, I think that that's the true testament of getting somebody to the end, right? Like, you can't... You can help somebody work out, but they gotta work out for themselves. Not that Eva's not working out for herself, but yeah, I can't see that. Let me ask you another interesting scenario going into finale night, okay? Kyle and Camilla, okay? One of them has won the Final Four immunity challenge, okay?

Do they want to potentially put one of the other into Final Four fire making with the chance to potentially take out Joe or Eva and Another layer do they want to both sit into in the end together it because they've never talked about We are going to both get to the end even they've talked about one of us will get to the end Yes, and I have talked about one of us will get to the end. Yes, and I have talked about that extensively. Three episodes ago, Eva said, listen, baby boy, as long as one of us, one of the two of us

get to the end, I'm happy. Kyle then piggybacked on that and said, yeah, I agree. As long as if I'm one and you're due, okay, I'm not mad if one of us gets to the end. Kyle's been very clear. Like, Kyle be like, oh, I don't know what side to choose. I don't know what, baby, Kyle, Kyle with Joe, Joe with Eva. He's not really with Camilla. Okay. Kyle only comes to see me at night, okay? Late at night, okay? Not during the day.

And so, yes, I absolutely think that one of them would actually put the other in fire in hopes that they do not return. Because again, if it's a Joe, a Joe, if it's a Kyle or Camilla, Robert sitting against, like I'm getting excited, start hunting away. 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. The beauty of this Robert is, again, I'm mad.

Why is y'all getting rid of Shaheen? What are y'all doing? The beauty is Kyle next to a Joe in the Eva, a Camilla next to a Joe or Eva, bae bae, that's a million dollars right there because of like the jewelry and everything, how they feel potentially about Joe. If they were to hear Camilla pop off, sis,

it will blow their water. And we just talked about a bitter jewelry. Now, no bitter drawers. If they were to hear Camilla pop off. And the same with Kyle. So it's like, actually, yes, if we get down to that point, if I'm Camilla, baby, how you got to go through the fire, do the living.

Yeah, you got to walk through that fire. And I hope you don't come out, brother. I love you. See you on the other side. Like, and I love that kind of sportsmanship. I really feel like that's what it is. But I feel like Kyle would make the decision more than Camilla. Camilla's like, let's get there potentially. But I did see a clip where Camilla was like, I don't want to sit next to you at the end.

And I'm and I love that. Yes. Yes. I would love that also because I have felt all this way that, okay, they are a secret duo but I feel like that Kyle is like in the secret duo for Kyle to win the game. Sure, if he gets taken out, he'll root for Camilla, but that he's not ever putting Camilla ahead of him. Where I feel like at times Camilla has put kyle's interests ahead of her own

Is there a world where camilla? votes out kyle here at the final four And basically she would have to like send send kyle into the fire making To like uh see or take kyle into the fire making herself. One of us comes out of it. I'm gonna shit over here and I'm gonna send you through the fire.

We ain't, I don't want no fire finished with you, please. Yeah, but she could do the Chris Underwood. She absolutely could. But could you imagine she wins final four immunity and then says, hey, guess what, Kyle, take a seat. You're making the fire against me. I was green, but also no, but look, go sit your behind over there and send him through the fire. But you do then run that risk.

So crazy because then she runs the risk of... Yeah, actually her best... Okay, here we are with this same question. Do I just get to the end or do I get to the end? Because say that happens and Camilla sends Kyle to the fire and Kyle makes the fire comes back. Oh, now it's already been the Kyle show executive produced by Camilla.

Now it's like the Kyle show. So it's, oh, that, oh, I never would think about it like this, Robert. I'm almost going to say that like, if that were to happen and Camilla really wants to win, she might actually have to she Can't believe i'm saying that Yeah, because

I feel like that if she feels good about making the fire then You know if she's feeling like hey, and then whoever loses like they go to the jury and then you go and you Talk the other one up. Okay, that's a you know That's our deal. OK, we make the fire. One of us wins a million dollars. The other person goes and make sure it happens. Oh, I mean, that sounds honorable and noble, but, oh,

that would be a hard decision for me, although it makes sense. But also it's like at this point, do I want to take any more risk? Good question. I just want to get to the end and I could possibly win, but if I send him and he wins, then he probably, and then is going to beat me. So now I got to go down and face him and run the risk of me not even getting to the end. Yep. But I mean, I feel like that's the all in move. I mean, it's easy for Camilla because that she might feel like, hey, I'm not going to win anyway unless I do this.

And so for her, it might be the all in move. I've learned so much this podcast. Yes, I do think that she has a shot against Joe, like where that if somehow Kyle's not there and she's like, I think that if it's her against Joe and Eva and Kyle is on the jury somehow, I think that she has a good shot to win because I feel like that not only does she have Kyle's vote, but and Papa Joe might be upset with that. You don't think there's any way Kyle would vote for Joe in the final three Ah, oh

You don't think? No, you don't think? Oh my god, ah, I don't know though. I don't know. Oh Kyle. Oh I would have to fight Kyle. Me and Kyle would have to fight. Yeah, we would have to But I think that Camilla has the people that were like, the people that were on the jury that didn't have a chance of Mitch and Chrissy and Star and Mary. She is their like spirit animal on the jury of like,

okay, that should have been, that's what I could have done. Like she's all of us that's up there. I done like she's all of us. That's up there I think she does have a shot to win if she gets there without Kyle I think her and Kyle against Eva or Joe I think it starts to get interesting where I think they start to split some of these votes, and I think it's a little messy Yeah, I agree That's what I am saying is that this Shaheen vote was strategic and not in a world that I ever thought was that they had a better shot of winning

if it's Eva and Joe. And that is why this season is so crazy because it's like the powerhouse, the like, you know, the powerhouse that is, is now it's like, we the people could take it down. And why I say that in two or three years, when people start watching the season and they run through it, they're not going to be saying what people are tweeting on the Facebook group and coming up to rob a person and saying it. So like, this season isn't

that bad. Like, didn't people are making It's like, depending on this outcome and how we get to it, what the puzzle piece is put together. I'm excited for Wednesday. This episode had, like, this season, I'm not on the edge of my seat. Yeah? But I'm set. Yeah, okay. All right. Because we talked when we were all together in Boston,

that Sophie talked about, you know, if you were She wanted to be closer to the edge Yeah Sophie was prepped and ready. Okay in Boston. She was ready. Okay, she was right Yes, and you were you had a great seat also Okay, which is a great way to lead us into a question that we have not answered for Survivor 48. I believe this is... I gotta check my notes. So you were on season 20... 28.

And I'm sorry, did you hear me out? You were on season 28. Season 40 has been 20 seasons since you have played. And I believe that for the 20th time is the time to ask the question. Oh, oh. Who is the freakiest freak? From Survivor 48. Yeah. Yeah. Really want him.

Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ah, Robert, you should not know my ad lib. Okay. It's been a wild season. I think that we have had a lot of colorful and amazing players. But I think one player. Just fits the bill of the freakiest freak from persons,

online commentary to their presence in person, to their TV antics. I'm not, okay. I'm not wearing- As of right now, I have no idea where this is going. Okay, well, I'll just say, cause I had a couple ideas. I mean, definitely if you have four nipples,

that definitely push you in the race for the freakiest freak. But I think said persons online. Said? Answer. Their Instagram, they TikToks crazy. I love it. Their in-person just craziness, what they gave us on the screen.

I am not wearing Mother Mary's missionary shirt. By coincidence, I absolutely think Mary is the freakiest freak of season 48. Yes, she definitely. Hail Mary. Hail Mary. Mother Mary, Saint Mary. She just is hilarious. I love to see her little carousel of posts from the week. Like it just she twerked. I just I love me some Mary. So I definitely think Mary fits the bill of this season's freakiest freak.

Congratulations to Mary. A incredible honor. I believe the 20th freakiest freak of all time. Geez, there's a lot of freaky freaks. There's a lot. You have a whole cast. Mike Bloom, get the brand steel going. Freakiest freak season.

Yes. Incredible. I can't believe it. Yes, okay. Oh, I can't believe it. Yes. Okay. To be an OG. Anything else about Survivor that you want to touch on here today? No, I'm excited.

And shout out to our girl Francesca Hoagy. She recently dropped her first book, Finding True Love. I pre-ordered it a while ago. It came, I'm on chapter three. I'm trying to get out of these Kyle and Camilla relationships. I want me a man. So shout out to our girl, just Francesca Hoagy, and her book, I think is amazing.

And I just, I look up to Francesca. I think that she's just so smart, so talented. And sometimes I just feel like she won't get the love and appreciation that she deserves. And so, you know, that's it also. Okay, check out the book, How to Find True Love, available on Audible. You know, I love, The Baby Boy Loves an Audiobook,

narrated by Francesca also. And listen, I purchased that and I have the book. Unlock your romantic flow. Gotta get into it. The Baby Boy is hard at work at completing the 2026 Zaddy calendar. It is another labor of love. And so, you know, I'd love to hear from the people- They say don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.

Listen, I got nine months of this, but I do have like a couple of spots left. And I'd love to know. The DMs are open. The DMs are open, but I really want the people, the people please tell me who is a must for this year's Zeddy calendar. Any Survivor 48, folks.

Robert, you know I don't tell you anything about the Zeti calendar until we do the reveal. I don't know, I can't confirm or deny anything about anything. Okay, all right. Well, but yeah, so I'm excited. Anything else from the non-Survivor world? You watching anything interesting?

Yes and no. I feel like once this season is over, I get, well, I got a retreat to attend to, but hopefully I will have some time to kind of get back into some things. But I've just been, you know, trying to take care of myself. Use this as your excuse to go get a mani-pedicure. I got one earlier today, it was the best thing ever.

Take the time out for yourself. Self-care Sunday. Yes. Yes. Make it a self-care Monday. What'd you do on self-care Sunday? This week, well actually, self-care Sunday was given to others.

It was Wendell's son's second birthday. So I had to be gunkle and help set up, help run. Like I just, my love language, if you know me, and you have an event, like say you and Nicole, if I ever get invited to that Christmas party. You wanna come to the Christmas party? I mean, it's very close to the holidays. If you want to, you're welcome to come.

Uh, when I come to events or like if I, my love language is like. I'm going to be asking people at the house, you want to order you like, it's just like for me, it's just making sure that everyone is good and comfortable. So you want to come to a party here? Yeah. Okay. Alright. I mean, I've never been invited to the castle. And then the previous weekend was Mother's Day.

You want to come to a party here, but you want to like make sure all the guests are having a good time? I do. I can't help it, Robert. It's like this weird thing. Like any of my best friends. But why don't we skip all that? Who cares about these other people if they're having a good time?

You just want to make sure to. You want to make sure that the vibes are curated correctly. But wait, got to go. Story. So last weekend was Mother's Day and my mom's birthday. And a couple of months ago, we had to put our dog, my mom's dog. Yeah, I saw. always supposed to call Sunshine, had passed away, she had like a heart condition.

And so it was like, my mom was so sad and so depressed. It was like really hard. I would call my mom and she would be like sitting in the sun room where her and Sunshine would play. And she just let, I'd be like, what are you doing? She's like, nothing. Girl. And like, that was my mom for like two months.

And so I had this bright idea to surprise her with a new puppy for Mother's Day. And Robert, first of all, puppies are expensive. I wanted to surprise my mom. So I wanted to get the puppy and bring it to her on Sunday. But the person called and said, hey, the dog's available today if you want. I'm like, oh, that's great.

I can get to my mom's house earlier. Robert, wrong idea. So I ended up getting the dog on Saturday and my house is not dog like anything. My house is not dog like anything. That was the longest, like eight hours in my home with this dog that, bad idea. I should have just picked it up, and delivered it right to my mom.

But it's so fun. My mom has a new dog named Serenity. And I was worried that Serenity is the name. My mom has a thing dog named Serenity. And I was worried that Serenity is the name. My mom has a thing with letters on names. All of my brother's names start with a B. My mom's name start with a B. My dad's name start with a B. So we had Sunshine. Now we have Serenity. But what I will say is that I was so worried that maybe my mom wouldn't take to the dog.

Maybe. Just you know, but it has been the light of my mom's day. I mean, if I don't get 13 messages, videos a day, of my mom is just telling me that the neighbors across the street came over and the dog ran out the house and was like, so my mom is just filled with joy, so I'm just so happy that she has a new dog. Yeah.

Well, who's better than you? Making everybody else look bad on Mother's Day. The baby boy, Bryce Isaiah. I did not get my mom a new dog for Mother's Day. Did you send flowers? I did. Okay. DoorDash.

Is that okay? Well, I mean, it's funny that you say that because flowers.com and the eight like it's actually like you can door dash the grocery store flowers right to be. Yeah. Although you know what? Game changer. This is, I have a friend whose wife says it doesn't count if you get flowers from the grocery store. It only counts if you get flowers delivered from the very expensive flour company.

I have a friend. Mm-hmm. That's, because the grocery store flowers can be kind of expensive too, but I have a friend that will swap out the wrapping of the 89 9 and the $9 baby breath But no, I think grocery store but in my do some of the grocery stores they have a florist that can rap and like so no

I'm with friend. Yeah. Okay. All right Bryce Isaiah purple pants Pants podcast. Where can people check out everything that you're doing? Well, you know, the Purple Pants podcast, the PPP on the main PPP page. Anywhere you listen to podcasts, we've got some exciting stuff coming. We just ended our amazing race coverage of season 37, which was super great. Our exit interviews are out if you want to hear us. And Brooke and I are going to be doing a summer rewatch, and we're trying to figure out

which season we're going to watch. You know, I feel like I have jumped ship. I love Survivor, but I'm really loving... You love Survivor, but you are, like, having quite the torrid affair with The Amazing Race. I never knew, Rob. I never knew. I'm just saying. And then we did a rewatch last season or last summer.

And it was an older season. And, oh, baby, I got to meet Colin and Christie. So it was so much fun. Jalinski and I will be covering sports all summer. We got the the NBA finals kicking off. We got the Knicks. We'll see who's going to take this home. Binging with Bryce is coming back this summer.

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