RHAP: We Know Survivor - Charlie Davis & Chrissy Hofbeck Survivor 50 Preseason Interviews

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Charlie Davis & Chrissy Hofbeck Survivor 50 Preseason Interviews Mike Bloom (@AMikeBloomType) is here to chat to the cast of Survivor 50! Join us to hear from your favorite returning Survivor players! Today, Mike Bloom sits down with returning stars Charlie Davis and Chrissy Hofbeck to unpack their headspaces before heading back to Fiji. Mike chats candidly with this pair of notable runner-ups about their approach to reputations, trust, and unfinished business in one of the most anticipated seasons ever. Survivor 50 is set to have its most strategically dense cast yet, how will big targets like Charlie and Chrissy navigate alliances, old wounds, and shifting game dynamics? The episode dives deep into the minds of Charlie, fresh off a heated Final Tribal in Survivor 46, and Chrissy, reflecting on her original run from Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers and her journey since. Both guests discuss how life changes and Survivor experience affect their gameplay, and they reveal which players on the cast list feel like allies or threats going into the new season. Mike leads the “Friend or Foe” game, sparking open commentary on who these returnees most want to work with, who’s raising their threat level, and which old-schoolers or winners carry the biggest targets. – Charlie weighs whether to lean into or downplay his “robbed finalist” reputation – Chrissy shares how surviving a major health challenge gives her new perspective and resolve for this return game – Both players open up about struggling with trust, pregame alliances, and being seen as physical threats – The importance of cross-generational Survivor strategy, and where middle-era players like Chrissy might find social capital – Candid takes on castmates: from the enigma of “Rizgod” to the danger of connecting with old allies or winners With reputations on the line and eyes on the prize, Survivor 50 sets the stage for old rivalries and new partnerships alike. Will Charlie’s vote math finally work in his favor, or can Chrissy rewrite her story in a more connected, less lonely season? Who will outwit, outplay, and outlast in this stacked game with shifting alliances and unpredictable twists? Chapters: 0:00 Survivor 50 Kalo Tribe Preview 6:43 Charlie’s Jury Management Lessons Learned 14:12 Forming Connections With Returnees 21:00 Navigating Old School Versus New Era 32:30 Chrissy’s Survivor Comeback Journey 36:02 Overcoming Health Challenges Before Survivor 41:00 Positioning Within Survivor’s Evolving Eras 45:21 Friend or Foe: Cast Reactions 52:19 Winners and Unknowns: Threat Perceptions 54:57 Chrissy Reflects on Missed Castaways 57:01 Preview of Upcoming Kalo Interviews Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Go to we know survivor.com for the audio versions of all those podcasts, as well as Rob has website.com slash YouTube for the video versions. Today, we are kicking it off with two CHs here. We've got Charlie Davis. and Chrissy Hoffback. Let's get into it, Shelby. Let's start with Charlie Davis, the runner-up of Survivor-46, obviously a very hotly contested finish, arguably the most hotly contested finish, not only in the new era, but we've had in quite some time. Charlie is currently an attorney was a law school student back when he played a couple of years ago, originally from Manchester, Massachusetts,

and currently lives in Boston. And if you've been listening to these interviews, the perception of Charlie is incredibly interesting. Some people say, you know, like Rick Devons, that they already view him as a winner. Others say, is this guy too normal for this type of cast? And so the allure, the threatening aspects of Charlie, it'll be interesting to get into whether or not he knows about that. It'll be interesting to get into how much he's going to modify his gameplay, or is he going to chalk it up to the general delightful anomaly that was Survivor 46.

I'm going to rest my case in a manner of speaking and let Charlie speak for himself. Here's my interview with Charlie. How are you doing right now? I'm doing great. This is awesome. I love the press day part of pregame because it's like we can finally start yapping. And we appreciate the yapping. Yeah, I was like, it's probably by design.

It's probably all part of the plan, but it's perfect. So, yeah, looking forward to the talk. So it's only been a couple years since we last saw you out here. But there's been stuff that's happening. You know, last time I talked to you, you were a law student, now you're a law grad. What have things been like for you the past couple of years? Yeah, you know, studying for the bar exam, past the bar exam, now a full-time lawyer. So, yeah, law student, no more.

So now I'm in that scary club of apps. actual lawyer, survivor players. I know you can't lie about it. I can't lie about it. Disaster. Let's actually hope it's not disaster because who knows, it could be. Well, you've also, you know, added another thing to your resume when you got to be on fire. That's true.

But I'm curious, so actually, from that perspective, you know, getting to sort of take a seat in like the armchair analyst side of things and also be, you know, so close to Jeff's perspective. Did that change the way that you sort of viewed the game or the way the shows being made? Honestly, what I liked about it is it was so revealing in terms of how a massive production like this works. Yeah. I don't think it's given me any sort of strategy or game advantage because, you know, you're on podcast all the time. You talk about strategy, you give your two cents, and you move on. It's like every single person out here has done that, maybe except the two mysterious 49ers who haven't hit the podcast. Podcasts or even, although who knows?

Maybe they are like podcast hosts. Who's to say? So I don't think it gives me any sort of advantage strategically or whatever over like someone who does RHAP all the time. Yeah. Or what have you. But it was awesome. I mean, I don't want to undersell that part of it.

I loved doing that podcast. It was so cool. Just like hang with Jeff for an hour every week. It was dope. So let's talk about coming to the season, reputation. Reputation. So because I think a lot of people. sort of colloquially refer to you as, you know, one of the most robbed new era, finalists,

one of the best non-winning players in the new era. I guess I'll take it, sure. So I, let's see, how much are you going to take? Is this something you want to steer into? Are you going to try to, like, mitigate this perception? Honestly, I'm not super focused on mitigating that perception, mainly because I think, like, everybody here has made, like, Final Tribal Council or fourth place or something really, really close to winning. So it's not like that is setting the leagues above the rest of the field. It's

not like, you know, it's a pre-mergers versus finalist season or something. And I'd be scared for that reason. It's like, there's winners on this beach. There's people who have, you know, multiple times gotten very close to the end to winning the game. So I think I blend in fairly well. So I'm not looking to play like a super threat level managed game this time around. I don't think I need to. Plus, I think it's a selling point, honestly, that I played like a pretty smart game. I played, you know, a good game. I was, for the most part, a pretty good ally to the people I was working with. So hopefully that's something that gets me some alliances this year. Let's look at the final tribal council. Because, you know, when you and I talked, you had said

that, you know, there were times where you felt you purposely sort of understated yourself to not come in to cocky and there was obviously everything that went down with the jury vote. Do you have sort of a different lens that you're coming into a possible endgame with this time now having experienced that? Oh, 100%. 100%. Like huge lesson learned in that you can't leave so much work for final tribal council. You got to give something beforehand, something to let people ruminate on and think about and get you in their heads and in their mouths to the other jurors in a good way, before

Final Tribal, because listen, as much as all the jurors are like, my mind is totally not made up. I could vote for anyone tonight. That's bullshit. That is such bullshit. Like, yes, you can change people's minds at Final Tribal,

but, like, people have an idea of who they're going to vote for when they come in. So, you have to, you know, do a little work for yourself before you get there. Dare I say also, does this impair the way or affect the way that you're thinking about choosing a number one ally, considering how everything went down in the end? I don't know. Do you think I'm cursed?

Well, here's the thing. I like to play with a strong duo. I like a strong alliance partner. I think that's what I'm going to gravitate towards again. I think everyone likes that. Who doesn't like to have a number one ally? It's nice to have someone who you can trust wholeheartedly. I think it becomes a lot harder in a returny season where it's like you might end up on a starting tribe with someone and have great, great connection. And all of a sudden you merge and then they get, you know, someone who they've known for decades next to them. It's like, are you there number one anymore? Maybe not. Like, so it is tricky.

But I don't know how else to play besides why you can always figure something out. But I really want to play with a tight alliance again. Yeah. And just hope it doesn't go terribly wrong. Well, let's start going through the catalog right now, shall we're going to play a game right now. Yeah, so this is called friend or foe. We're going to go through the cast. You're going to tell me if this person is a friend, someone that you might want to make that number one or work closely with or foe.

Either someone you're not picking up good vibes from or someone you might be threatened by. And we can, you know, get some explanations, but can get into some preexisting relationships as well of your own. I like it. So let's do it. Let's start with Jenna. I like to think friend. I'm going friend off Jenna. We're starting off with a friend.

What makes you say I'd like to think? Well, because I don't know her at all. Yeah. I don't know Jenna at all. She might not know me at all. But I just think, you know, she's smart. She's witty. She's fun.

And that's really all I need to have someone fun to play the game with. And yeah, I think she'd be awesome. Plus, she's from season one. That'd be awesome to work from him from the OG season. So, yeah, she's a friend. Well, speaking of another OG, Colby. Colby? I might say foe on Colby.

I'm going with foe, which I hope it's not a physical fight because... Yeah, that's the twist. Jeez, he's like huge. Colby's huge. He's bigger than he was when he was 20. Like, what the hell happened? But here's the thing with Colby. And I could see myself working with Colby.

It's not like I want to target him, but I think he is going to have a healthy fear of the new era slash just like, in general, like strategist genre of player. I can see him being real shifty about anyone who remotely fits that build, which I probably do. So I could see us working together, but ultimately I think he's somebody who's going to choose a lot. of other players over me. How about Stephanie? Um, I put her in a similar boat to Colby. Also, they, what they played together on Heroes versus Villains. I think they were allies on Heroes versus Villains. I could see them getting together and getting on the same page. But Palau's also one of my favorite seasons. And Stephanie's a big part of Palau. I mean, she's a badass. Uh, it would be fun to work with her too. Can I give her, like, fro? You can, you give her a

If you want to. She's got the hair for the fro. That's true. That's true. How about Surrey? Friend. I'm going with friend for Surrey. I think she's someone I could really click with. I mean, talk about a smart ally. It's not much better you can do than Surrey Fields.

So, yeah, I could definitely see myself working with her. I think it's going to be interesting to see how she's able to navigate this premurge. And this is just me totally hypothesizing. I don't know, but there's 24 people out here. We're playing a 26-day season. I have to imagine we're still going to merge around 12 people. Yeah. So that means we have to get rid of 12 people in the premurge,

which is like over double what a new era season is used to. So I am worried that challenge ability could be like the biggest determinant in the pre-merge. And, hey, I don't know what series. She's been up to workout-wise, so I don't want to make too many assumptions, but she's never sold herself as being a challenge. Ever. Ever.

So I would be surprised if that's changed. So working with her early could be tough, but tough sometimes fun, too. Exactly. Yeah. I would really like to work with him. How about Ozzy? I feel like that could be a foe. And that's just my gut.

Okay. Is that Ozzy could be a foe of mine. I don't know. He's someone, I am very curious to see what he does because I think he's played what, four times already. And I think he plays a somewhat similar game every time. You know, he slides into his provider role, into, you know, being the jungle boy. And I think that's had diminishing returns for him over time. And I don't know what that's going to make him want to do when he comes back again. But he always has had, also has so many connections with different players. So he's going to be a tricky one. How about coach? I'm going to go friend just because, oh man, he just seems like a crazy awesome uncle.

Like I would love to like get a nickname and, you know, feel like I'm in a fantasy novel play and Survivor with Coach. I don't know what I would be, but I'm sure he'd come up with something good. How about Aubrey? I mean, similar second place, controversial, rob, runner-up status? Yeah, yeah, I think we were talked about in a lot of the similar ways. So I'm going to say friend. I think we could get along well. But she's another one that like, I don't know, I wasn't, and this isn't supposed to be a slight to Aubrey.

Obviously, she's like a bona fide survivor great. But, I mean, the last time she played it did not go well at all. went really, really poorly. So that's something that I think could be a shock to a player's system. And I don't know what she's going to do out again now. Granted, a different group of people. It's not newbies like she had on edge. So I don't know.

I'll say friend for now. I'm sure Q said foe, though, if he's a had this interview. How about Chrissy? Friend. Yeah. Just got right off the bat. I could see myself working great with Chrissy. Yeah, I mean, she's, she's like intense in a fun way,

really great at challenges, super smart. I feel like we come from like a similar, like, employment background. Like, she's got the actuary life. We're both in, like, you know, desk job America. So we kind of get that too. So, yeah, friend. How about Angelina? Friend.

Oh my gosh. It would be so fun to play with Angelina. I was just re-watching David versus Goliath like a couple episodes, and I just think she's awesome. She's awesome, makes great TV. And also someone who I think could maybe slide under the radar a bit out here,

because she is really smart, but I don't know if you watched her season if, like, the overarching takeaway you'd have from Angelina is that she's smart, even though she obviously is. Right. So, yeah, it'd be great to work with her. Christian.

I'll go friend as well. Okay. I mean, he's just so damn charming. Like, he's so charming. And maybe that's a problem. But, like, he's one of those people that I look at them and I'm like, I don't want to vote him out. Like, he's Christian. And some people just have that energy.

Like, it's powerful. It's powerful. And he's, you know, very potent with that. Mike White. Friend. Yeah. That's not just to get on the White Lotus next season? No, no, no, although he better get his butt ready to be kissed.

My God. The brown nose isn't from the mud. Yeah, seriously. No, I just think he's a cool guy. And that's something that's really exciting to me is he's somewhat, and I think this is a lot of people, because a lot of people I only know them from the TV show Survivor. Right.

But he's beyond just being a survivor player. He's like a true A-list celebrity. And he's out here. And I think that's such an interesting way to move about the world. And, I mean, what's Survivor, if not a chance to really get to know someone deeply? So that would be awesome to, you know, just get to shoot the shit with Mike White. What the hell? Rick Devons.

There's something that tells me that me and Rick Devons, like, might be foes. Ooh. Yes, which may be unexpected. I don't know what it is about Rick. A little bit of like pregame vibes I'm getting that from him. He does a lot of heavy looks, big smiles. And that's just not how I like to operate in pregame. That's not.

I'm a rule follower. I just like to keep my head down. I don't want to feel like I have to like perform a certain way because you're showing me a certain thing. and then if I see you doing that to everyone, it gives me the hebi-jeebies. So right now, it's a cautious foe for Rick. But we'll see. Let's move into your beloved new era. Ah, yes.

Jonathan. Well, first of all, I'd love it if he was on my tribe. That'd be the freaking best. Like, please, please put Jonathan on my tribe. But aside from that, I could see. being foes and I think he's going to be tight with old schoolers who I also might have a hard time getting to trust me. Gotcha.

I think he's going to slide right in with like Colby, Stephanie. I don't know who else, but yeah, I think he's going to be right tight in there. But he's, I think it's a trickier player than people give him credit for. I mean he was working with Omer on season 42 Marianne, he knows how to play the game for sure So I think he could be dangerous for me If he's whispering in the wrong years But yeah it'd be a great ally

To keep around if we want to win Although I don't know If you come for me I guess we can lose a couple challenges By getting rid of Jonathan whatever How about D? Friend. She's probably one of the people I am closer with. Okay.

Yeah, just outside the game. It's that on-fire solidarity. You know, that on-fire solidarity, but hey, I gave Devin's foe. That's true. You got equally balanced. Equally balanced. Dee's just awesome. She's, you know, she says what she thinks, but she's not like, you know,

she's not reckless with, you know, her. words. She's smart. She's calculated. I think she'd be a great ally. The one thing with Dee is something I notice is and it's a powerful gift for her in these shows, but like she says things with such

authority and clarity that like you can't help but completely agree. Even though I'm like, well I don't totally think the same way as that but I'm like, yeah, but I'm like, wait, shit. Like no, no, no, no, no. So, I don't know.

I think she's going to be dangerous in the game of Survivor, but I'd love her to death outside the game, and I'd love to work with her. I don't think she's coming for me. I think if anything, she's probably looking for allies being one of two confirmed winners. Yeah. So we'll see.

Emily. I'll go friend as well on Emily. Yeah. Yeah, I just get good vibes from her. I hope she brings some of that fire from her first minutes on 45. That's the Emily Flippin I'd like to see and I'd like to work with. So, yeah, especially if it's that version, that'd be a friend. That'd be really fun.

Now we open the Pandora's box of Survivor 46. What are you thinking about Q right now? I have no fucking clue. I don't know. I don't know. like him and me are our buddies outside the game you know we sometimes play call of duty together

or like or we have a couple of times but I mean he's cute need more be said like I don't know where his head is at and in our season like we had mixed history right it was like

he was doing God knows what in the early merge then tried to quit the game and then I sort of worked with them, but basically just used him as a smokescreen for like every blind side post-merge. Then he tried to vote me out. I voted him out.

Like, he didn't vote for me at the end. And he's cute. He's cute. Like, who knows what is in his head right now, what he's planning, like if he's going to play like, I don't know, sardines this time. Oh, yeah, exactly.

As a reason to vote someone out. You packed in too tight, big mistake. Yeah, God. Seriously. So he's an enigma. I gotta say I like working with Q because he's funny as hell and he's entertaining and he's really a charming guy to the core and smart. But I think he could flip on me a drop of a dime. How about Tiffany?

I would love to work with Tiffany. We love to work with Tiffany. Obviously, it's just dangerous being super close with someone from your season. And I'm close with Tiffany outside the game, not super close. We don't talk all the time or anything, but I consider her a friend. And I think we got super close to really working together on 46. I think if we'd been on a starting tribe together, we definitely would have. She's got a great mind for the game.

She's really fun. She's, you know, charismatic. She'll, you know, she'll say what needs to be said in a really awesome way a lot of the times. But again, I voted her out. She didn't vote for me to win. you know, she was probably the reason that Kenzie won. Really advocated for her on the jury. Not that she trashed me or anything,

but she sure as hell didn't help my game. So, yeah, there's stuff there. And I'm sure both of them are thinking, you know, Charlie beat us last time. I'd like to, you know, get a leg up on him second time around. That's what I'd be thinking if I were them. What about Genevieve? That's a friend.

That's a friend. Fellow lawyer. Yes, the Esquires. Yeah, yeah, she's someone who I would totally mesh with. Let's talk about another fellow Asquire. Let's talk about Kyle. Kyle. I feel bad for Kyle.

Like, the last thing anyone saw was Kyle win a million dollars. It was like a couple days ago. It was about like, I don't know what day it is right now, like a week ago or something. So that's going to be tricky to navigate. but Kyle's also a big athletic dude. They do pretty well pre-merge, usually. So we'll see if you can find some footing, but I've met him a couple times.

We've got a lot of things in common beyond being lawyers. So, I mean, I would definitely consider him a friend and want to be friends with him, but he could be marked for death out here. We'll see. So that's, you know, whenever there's someone who is, I'll say, a big target, that's always an opportunity. Like if anything season 46 taught me, it's always an opportunity. So those people are desperate, and they'll be used how you maybe want to use them

and hopefully be loyal, although there are a lot of smart players out here too who could rat you out to the people who used to be targeting them, whatever it may be. How about Joe? Because granted Joe finished third, but could be coming in with a similar sort of mentality from your perspective of someone who a lot of people thought was going to had the wind in their sales and then ends up not winning. True. Yeah. And I think Joe's an awesome guy. And I'm excited to see his social game on display. I think he's just a good, solid, dependable dude. But you know who I bet's trying to scoop him up? The old school people I was talking about

before. It's like they probably are looking at him as like the only person from the new era. Yeah. That they're going to be like, oh, he thinks like us, you know? So that might be a reason to target him. I don't plan on playing an honor and integrity game. I'll be loyal to my people. Right. But we'll do what needs to be done. Yeah. Like, I'll lie to whoever

to get myself further and get my people further. So that's the thing. It's like the straight shooters they can be dangerous if they get momentum because that becomes a basically uncrackable egg if they get enough numbers and

enough people who are like, well, I'm just going to take this easy train to the end of the game. Yeah. What about Camilla? She's tricky. I mean, she built herself as someone who loves to run people over with buses. And I'm just a lowly pedestrian. Yeah, exactly.

I do not want to get hit by a bus. You get the ride of way, technically. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, she's really tricky. I think she's another person, especially with high. here who's coming in with a big target. Yeah, and I mean, what they were able to do, which, you know, allegedly basically having like a 10 second chat like every here and there

and able to run the game like that, that's scary. Like, so even if she's talking to me all the time, all she has, all she needs is 10 seconds with another person and that's her actual number one. It's like, come on. that would be really tough to get over when you're thinking about, is this person really on my side? Any thoughts about the 49ers, these mystery entities? Yes, that they're mystery entities, which is saying a lot in and of itself.

This Risgod character, that's like the one thing I remember from their trailer is like, this guy is like, the man, the myth, the legend, Riz God. but I can see me getting along with him I have a hypothesis and maybe this isn't true but I think he's like a cross-country runner nerd guy oh interesting something to bond over

yes he just gives me those vibes like I see him in his outfit and he's got like a polo and khaki shorts and just kind of has that awkward energy about him and like I can just like picture guys who are like on my old you know high school cross-country team who would call themselves Riz God like and be the opposite of Riz God like but it would be hilarious and they'd be like very endearing. So I don't know I can see myself getting along with him but also like it adds a whole new level of intensity and complexity of the game because like we can't lose to someone named Riz God. Are you kidding me?

Like, that's like my worst nightmare. Riz God beats me. Even more than being voted out first? Second worst night. Well, if I get voted out first, Riz God beats me. It ends up being one of the same. So it's just doubly bad. Yeah.

So, I don't know, man. He could be, he could be some, you know, strategic savant. He could be the next coming of Russell Hans. Or he could just be like... Rizzle Hans. Rizzle Hans. Oh, my God. Yeah, so I don't know.

And then Savannah is the other 49er. Part of me thinks that one of them probably won. So we'll see what information comes out. Hopefully in like, I don't know, not too long. We'll see. Who's one person you wish had been cast on Survivor 50? I mean, there's so many, which why I do not envy the people who had to make the final casting decisions. I mean, I would love it if Carolyn were out here.

I just think, I mean, Survivor is all about, like, getting to know really interesting people. And, like, she's probably one of the most interesting people on the planet. Yeah. Like, it would probably be, like, a big challenge potentially, like, playing with her. I don't know if she would like me at all. But I just think it would be so fun to, like, hang out with her. Yeah. And I would love to play with her.

So, yeah. Last thing, you know how I close out. these interviews now. Would you want to bring any celebrity loved one out besides Taylor Swift? I'm giving you a second bite of the apple here. It's great when we have a real celebrity out here. So, you know, maybe he would have been some people. Probably he has been people's.

I think he's... Has anyone ever said Mike White independently? I have to imagine somebody said Mike White. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if anything, just with the line of get me on the White Lotus. A second celebrity, I'm going to go with I'm gonna go with

Big Poppy. David Ortiz. Oh, baby, yeah. Big Poppy. He's like one of my OG sports heroes. I had a fat head of him

on my ceiling. So many great memories watching Big Poppy growing up. He's just like a really funny guy. Oh, yeah. One of my favorite moments ever

is in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. Yes. I just read a book about this that mentioned this. Yes, his big speech of like he got out at Fenway, he was on the mic, and he goes this is our fucking city. Yeah. And that is, that like

gives me goosebumps every single time I think about it just because like it was such a horrible but unifying time for the city of Boston. And like that moment, like he's like a hero of heroes in Boston. That moment was like straight electricity.

through my whole body. Like I was so freaking hyped up when I saw him say that. So I want him out here. I want to hang out with Big Poppy. And there's my interview with Charlie. Really interesting that I suppose much like the singer he is often associated with. He is more than happy to move on from a broken relationship and find a new number one in the hopes of finishing number one.

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Next up on the Kalo tribe is someone who has quite a lot of unfinished business, especially here in Fiji. I'm talking about the runner-up of Survivor Heroes versus Healers versus Hustlers, Chrissy Hoffbeck. It was an eventful end to her. season. Back before we were voting as to whether Final Four firemaking would make its way into a season, it was brought in by surprise in Survivor 35. And Chrissy was the first one to not only learn that information, but perhaps suffered in direct part due to that. So Chrissy, I think, feels like she has a lot that she wants to get out of her second time. She also has this incredible story. as to what has happened in her life in the intermediary between survivor seasons.

And it's an experience by getting into too much detail that has given her even more pride and faith in her gut and her intuition. So without further ado, here's my interview with Chrissy. How are you doing? I'm doing so good. I'm doing so good. I'm on season 50. Yeah.

I mean, what has this experience been like? because, I mean, you lived through this interesting point in survivor history where there weren't any returning seasons around your era. And a lot of people were being like, is there a chance that the Chrissies could come back? So what has sort of been your emotional landscape? When you hear the 50 was a returning season, did you think that there was a chance, you know, given that you played, what, seven years ago at this point? So, you know, I was one of the earlier people who was called.

But anytime you're called, you know it's a call of interest, right? What does that mean? And so it's sort of like you're held in. the end of that hook. And for those of us who played the game, the game is like crack. Wait, not that I've ever tried. I'm assuming the game is like crack. That's the big reveal of like, yes. All right. Things have been going, well, I've dabbled or crack. No. Okay. So the game is like crack. And like, once you have it, you need to have more.

Yeah. And so, you know, you get the call and then you wait a few months and you just wait and hope that you get the next call and then you get the next little hit of crack. And then, Anyway, so yeah, so I continue to get hits of crack until here I am. In the crack then itself. Which is pretty amazing. Yeah. Well, let's talk about what your life has been like because suffice to say you have gone through so much.

I mean, in a manner of speaking, you were playing Survivor, but in a very, very different way since you played. Yes, I was. I was. For the uninitiated, talk about what happened with you. Yeah, so two years ago, I found out that I had the mutated BRCA gene, the broca gene, people call it. And when you have this mutation,

it means that you're more likely to get certain cancers. And in my case, it was breast cancer, ovarian cancer, small, also pancreatic and skin cancer. But the breast and the ovary was the big thing. So, yeah, eight weeks after getting my diagnosis, I found myself on the operating table having all my girl parts removed. And I didn't even think twice about it. Honestly, for me, it was, you know, in the survivor world, it's you get an immunity idol and you either go home with it in your pocket or you play it and you stay in the game. And for me, I was playing it and staying in the game, right?

So, and I feel great. I feel great. After all my surgeries, I had my reconstruction. I decided to see if I still, you know, I still had it. So my daughter and I threw some clothes in a backpack and walked the Camino de Santiago, which was a 500-mile pilgrimage across Spain. So, yeah, that was pretty amazing. We did that in a month and had a great time.

So then I was like, because my body still got it. You're ready to, yeah, just hit another 26 days of starvation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like ready to be here. I mean, do you feel like that experience? I mean, I cannot imagine the amount of emotional and mental endurance that that required. Do you feel like that, that, you know, has you coming in with a different mindset this time around? Here's what it did for me.

Or let me tell you the real story. What really happened is before you go in for this surgery. Sorry. Oh, it's just touch the table. You're good. Before you go in for this surgery, they do all sorts of imaging. I'm talking about the removal of my breasts right now, right? Yeah.

I'm allowed to say breasts on the pocket. Breasts, breasts. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They do MRIs and ultrasounds and all the stuff, right? Everything totally healthy, so I was proactively going in to do this. And I knew it was the right thing for me. I felt very sure it was the right thing for me. Sure enough, they send my breast glands off to pathology, and it turns out there was a 1.2 centimeter tumor growing in one of my breasts, I can't even remember, that never got picked up on the imaging. It was sort of like early enough, but it was there. It was like the hidden immunity idol of tumors. It was like, percolating, right?

And it was like, at that point I knew that I just need to trust my gut in all things. And this is how I'm coming into this game now. I have this intuition and I'm not second guessing myself. Like, I know what I got to do. I got to come out here and I got to do it. And I'm just going to like make it happen. So I feel certainly a sense of confidence is the wrong word, maybe peace with the decisions that I'm making.

I think a sense of peace. with how this is going to go. Well, let's look back upon your previous game for a second, because I feel like the Internet sort of colloquially refers to everything that happened at the end of the game of like, for many reasons, you know, one of the reasons Chrissy might not have gone. The win is because of the social game of like going down the line and being like, I know your ACT score, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you have like a different headspace that you're approaching that idea of the social game with or do you feel that was a unique circumstance for HHS? Oh, so that was a unique circumstance. So in season 35, I was the grandma playing with a bunch of 20-year-olds, and we would sit at camp, and they would all talk about, you know, Jim Tan Laundry. And I really would try to, like, ask them like, oh, you know, talk about this, tell me about this. Like, not one person said, tell me about you. Tell me about you.

They just weren't interested in me. And I think it's like, you know, when you're like 98-year-old grandma sits at Thanksgiving dinner and asks all her grandkids, like, tell me about you. Nobody says, like, hey, grandma, what's happening in your life? And that is, like, the experience that I had. Yeah. And so people are like, oh, she had a crappy social game. Yeah, I did because I was two decades older than everyone else.

Yeah. And frankly, you know, there were a few people I felt, you know, closer to. But for the most part, I wasn't the interesting one to hang out with. They wanted to hang out with the other young, beautiful people, right? I am thrilled about 50 because now we're all old. Um, okay, I think that Sarie, Mike White and I have the, the, um, we are the three oldest. Okay. We're all like 54 years old.

But for the most part, most people, most people are older. So I think that, um, I think my social game is me just fine. So let's wait and see what the, you know, what comes out of this season. I think I am actually a pretty nice person. Yeah. Um, well, let's go from social to physical because you were able to prove age was just a number. I mean, tied the record for most of many challenges won by women. I mean, is that something that.

is going to, do you think, skew the perception of you? Yes. Oh, I went into the last season, feeling like I did want people to vote me out for being weak. Now I'm coming into this season thinking I don't want people to vote me out for being strong. You just have to puke me. You have to puke at the first challenge like you did before. I know, I know. I might have to fake a puke. Yeah.

So I think I'm going to have to throw a few things. You know, it depends what the challenges are too. Right. Right. But I'm pretty tough. I'm pretty tough. Yeah. What was your prep this time around now that you had been through the experience?

And granted, there had been so much that you've gone through physically wide since. Did your prep process change between seasons? So the only thing I did, oh shoot, I really didn't do enough of it. But I really, the thing that I didn't do last time was balance, and I should have done more balance. I'm really a bad exerciser. Like, I just, I don't like to exercise. It's not my thing. But I did.

Says the person who won four individuals in any challenge. I know. I know. But a lot of them were like. puzzles or whatever. Like, you know, I do puzzles all the time. Yeah.

Like every night, every night I do cross-room puzzles. I have a jigsaw puzzle going on all times. Yeah. So I love doing puzzles. But I joined Pilates. Okay. And I took 101 Pilates classes.

Ooh. Got to sign the wall. When you get to 100, you get to sign the wall. I did swimming, of course. I can swim. So that I'm fine with. And then I got a balance.

My husband bought me a balance being for Christmas. That was when I was still in the, you know, waiting for more crack phase. So my husband bought me a balance. for Christmas. So sometimes I would drink my coffee and just think and walk on a balance beam. And then what else did I do? I always practiced slide puzzles. I didn't have any slide puzzles in my last season, but maybe they'll have them this time. I don't know. And oh, the other thing I did, I feel like there could potentially be a challenge, which I think there was one a couple years ago,

putting the seasons in order. And I've watched every season in real time. Yeah. But I went back and made sure that I absolutely know the order of the season. which I could probably save them for you right now. Do them right now. Let's do it. Okay. Borneo, Australia, Africa, Marquesis, Thailand is five, Amazon, Pearl Islands, All-Stars, Vanuatu, Palau. Yep. Guatemala.

Panama, Cook Islands, 14 is Fiji, China, China, Micrones, China, Micrones, and Kronesia, Kban, Tokentines, Samoa, Heroes versus Villains. There you go. 20. 21 is Nicaragua, Redemption Island, South Pacific, one world. Philippines,

Karamohan, 27 is blood versus water, Kagayan, San Juan, San Juan Desert, sir, I can never say that one, worlds apart. 31 is Cambodia,

Cambodia. Uh-huh. Co-wrong, however you say that one. Yeah. M. Millennials versus Gen X. Game Changers, Heroes, Healers, Hustlers, Ghost Island, David versus Goliath. Edge of Extinction, Island of the Idols, 40, winners at war. And now here's the hard part.

Right? Yeah, it's so hard. I don't know how the next ones go. Right? And all the winners. So, like, I'm waiting for that challenge. So then let's talk about, you just listed out the entire timeline of Survivor. Let's talk about where you fall in it.

Because. What I find so intriguing is that you have, obviously, people that have come before you. Yeah. But you, you know, infamously so, were part of the first sort of bastion of this modern game of the Final Four fire making. And so where do you think you fall within this sort of balance of old school players and the new era players in this cast? Yeah, I actually like my placement a lot. Like I'm coming into it, feeling like I'm in a good place. I feel like the old school players run a risk of the new people wanting to get them out.

and the new school players run a risk of the old, I mean, sorry, the new era players run the risk of old school wanting to get them out. And then there are a few of us in the 30s, who I think can probably well play both sides. So I kind of like it. Yeah, I know fire making is in here, but look, you know, it's in the hands of the fans now, right? I don't know what the hands want. Yeah. So, yeah, so we'll see. Were you, I mean, obviously, as you were still, you know, taking those hits of crack,

where you're like trying to stump in the streets of like, listen, don't vote final four firemaking, please. Well, I figure that my influence is very small in the Survivor fandom, which is gigantic. But yeah, no, I know. I love the theme. I love it. I think it's going to be so fun for us out there to have no idea what was voted on until we're actually playing the game. Like to pick your final four not knowing if there's firemaking or not, that's really interesting, like, mentally. Yeah. So we'll talk about some who's.

specifically, but from general qualities, who are you seeking in a number one ally out here? And does it differentiate from a newbie cast? Okay. Um, I actually don't think I'm going to look for a number one ally out here. Okay. Interesting. I feel like what I want to do in this game is figure out my strategy and I don't mean to say be a floater, but align with people who have similar strategies for me at that time, which, again,

Again, you know, I think for me, that's probably mostly going to be people from the 30s. Yeah. I feel like I resonate more with old school than new era. Mm-hmm. But I actually don't think, okay, of course we're going to think like this. I don't think it's going to be a good season if era is like obliterate other eras. Yeah. I think it's going to, I think for me, the way I'd have the most fun is if there's just sort of like this hodgepodge group of awesome people.

Yeah. Who do cool things and fun things. Absolutely. I want this to be fun. I like, I, like, when I played season 35, what I tell people is the feeling that I, my biggest feeling playing that game was loneliness.

Loneliness. And, um, that's not going to be my feeling this time. I think this time I just wanted to be fun. So I want to play with other people who just love this, like love this game like I love this game. Yeah. And, um,

want to just have fun playing like a great game. So, yeah, you know, if I look around and say, like, who do I think that person would be? I see that in Angelina, for sure. She's who I would probably say off the bat. Yeah, well, let's do this, then I'm going to give you a little thought experiment. Okay. So we're going to play a game called friend or foe. Oh, gosh, okay.

We're going to go down the cast list, and you just give me, you know, if this is someone a friend that you would want to align with on the beach, or if this is a foe, either someone you would not get along with there's someone you want to target as a threat. Oh gosh, I feel like every single person there we're all going to get along with though. I don't like this game, Mike. Okay, hold on, hold on. How many friends do I get? You can do as many friends as you want to. I can do like 20, no. Okay, I wouldn't do 20 friends for you. You want to make it fun. Yeah, let's make it fun. We can if you're picking up any vibes from people. Okay. Okay. Okay. I am picking up a few vibes from people who

I feel like don't want to work with. Okay. All right. Let's go through the list here. So we'll start with Jenna. Oh, friend. Oh my gosh. Oh, can we, can people please now vote Jenna out if she's on another job because I need to spend like 25 hours with her talking about Bordeo. Like I want to, like she's so interesting to me. Yeah. She's, she's friend for sure. What about Colby? Mixed bag. Oh, I like this third option. Yeah. I think Colby will be a friend at first and then a foe. You think it's just like he'll turn on you? Is it just you'll turn on him? I am not certain Colby would vote for me to win at the end. I think Colby is somebody I could

align with for some period of time and then at some point he has to become a foe. I don't know. I know that means that he's on the jury then in voting. I don't know. Jury's out. Literally. Yeah, yeah. How about Steph? Same as Colby, friend and foe. Yeah. Yeah. How about Surrey? Friend. All right. Ozzie? Foe. Oh, okay. I don't think he's going to like me that much. that are your fellow challenge record holders Colby too

yeah yeah I just don't I just don't get the feeling that that Oz's gonna like me that much How about coach? Oh friend Yeah You said that's so nat Have you like conversed with them in the past or No I don't think so maybe on Instagram

You know like how we all like comment on each other's things Yeah but um yes I think that I am gonna absolutely dig coach Well let's start getting into the 30s here in your era Aubrey Friend Okay, why the pause? Aubrey had some trouble the last time she was out and I was really surprised to see her out here again.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I think she's a friend, but I don't know that she's somebody I'd go to bat for necessarily. I was really surprised to see her out here. All right, well, you mentioned her before. Talk to me about Angelina. Why is she that number one friend of your BFF? Oh, I think she'll be a friend.

Yeah, because I see, I feel like Angelina is a younger me. Like, I just see, I just think she's just like very, she just looks I know I don't come off as kind on TV I'm much nicer in real life than I am on TV I appear on the last season of my TV show but no Angelina appears to me to be I've met Angelina

once at a thing a couple years ago just fun really smart and I feel like our interest would be aligned How about Christian? Friend for a long time but here's my concern with Christian Everyone loves Christian Like everyone loves Christian

and he plays a lot of these, I've heard he plays a lot of these Discord gate, whatever that, I don't even, org, I don't even know what, I don't know what I'm talking about. He plays these online games with all the new era people. That's something I got to watch out for, right? Christian is, like, charming.

He's like, he's wonderful. Yeah. Wonderful only goes so far in this game. So, um, certainly friend. He's, he truly is everything, everybody thinks of him. He's amazing. How about Mike? Friend.

Your fellow 54. Yes. Yes, Mike is a friend. How so you just, you feel like you're going to click? I feel like I'm going to click with him. Again, he's my age. I also am not, I don't get stars in my eyes for like the whole like White Lotus thing that I know other people do.

I've just never really been like that. So I think that I would work with him nicely. How about Rick? Friend. Yeah. Have you been like chatting since your days of like, we were both the ones robbed? No, funny. I think I was on a podcast one.

with Rick. I don't think I've ever met Rick in person. Oh really? I did a podcast once with him. Yeah. Um and you know we're friends on LinkedIn so we like you know celebrate each other on our like professional achievements or something. Yeah you can also about your achievement when you win too. Yes he can celebrate me but yes no um no Rick is definitely friend. Yeah I think he's like a nice family man like yeah let's get into the new era shall we yeah. Jonathan. Friend. Friend. Okay. Friend but of course you know of some point he has to go right he can't win too many immunities. All right, let's get into our winners here. How about D? All winners got to go.

Oh, except D, like, she's like, my, she's awesome, though. Um, oh, foe. Oh, she's a winner. She's a winner. She's a winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. How about Emily? Emily's really interesting. I came into this whole experience thinking Emily was going to be a foe. And just seeing her about town, never talked to her in my life. Yeah. But I kind of like her. Interesting. I do. What is it? What's you doing? I don't know. I don't know. I kind of like her. She's a financial analyst, just like me. I was, I know she is like financial analyst, Emily Flippin. Right. But I think I was the first step financial analyst. Yeah, you were actuary, Chrissy Hoffback. No, excuse me, I was Chrissy Hoffback financial analyst.

Oh, there we go. My Chiron, I was. You're correct, I am an actuary. That's what it is. But yes, yes, but I was listed as financial analyst. But no, there's something about Emily that I actually really like. And I don't know if it's, um, do I feel like she was maybe somewhat misunderstood in her season? Like, so was I. Like, I kind of get that. So maybe I just kind of get her. So I'm going to put Emily in the in the friend category, actually. All right. How about Charlie?

Someone who is a recent, controversial runner-up, much like yourself. Yeah, yeah. So I have met Charlie before. Okay. I have met Charlie before. Charlie is going to be a friend for a little while. Yeah. How about Q? Oh, I can't make everyone

my friend. But honestly, that this is the thing about Q. when you're in his presence, he's got like a force field where you just want to be like closer to him. Yeah. And I know that his first season, he was very chaotic. I don't know whether he is no longer chaotic or that was the edit, maybe his baby changed him,

but now I just want to be in the Q force field. So he was a friend. How about Tiffany? I'll admit Tiffany is the one person that I did not know who she was. Oh, interesting. And I have watched all the seasons. So I do not know whether. Tiffany is friend or foe.

Okay. Tiffany, yeah, yeah. She's been very much keeping to herself, very much keeping to herself. So I'll go with foe only because she's not friend, but she might be lovely. Genevieve. Friend.

Similar to Angelina. Smart. I've never met Genevieve. But seems to me like smart, good strategy. I loved seeing her on her season. All right. Getting to 48, Joe.

Look, I just have to have some foes now, and I just watched 48, so I'm going to, I'm going to faux, foe, foe it. No, I might have to be a friend of Camilla. Joe Fo. Joe Foe. Camilla friend. Okay. I want to see Camilla like shine in the spotlight.

She needs a season to spot. Not shine all the way to the end, like you. But Camilla can be a friend. Kyle is a foe. He's a winner. Winner's got to go. And on the 249s, they're their foes. I'm sorry.

Is it just that they're like unknown variance to you? And so they're, uh, they might be liable. more than assets? No. Okay, so realistically, one of them I heard was the winner, and so winner's got to go. Okay, interesting. The other one reminds me of a previous, very close alliance that I have, and so that person has to go as well. Is it RV? Yes. Reminds you of an RU, perhaps? Yes. Yes. And I'm, I've moved on from those types of arrangements. I, so. They often say when people come back to play, they might glean things from the winner of their season. Obviously, when it comes to your relationship with Ben, complicated to say the least,

but is there anything from his game that you might take into yours now for that's interesting. Yeah. Okay, so Ben and I currently are like very good, like not being the friends, whatever, but like Ben and I like each other. Like I text with him, whatever. He's great. Yes, man, look for idols, right? Look for idols. Here's the thing.

I don't know if there are any idols. I'm going to try to look for them. So, yeah, that's what we're going to do. What's one cast member that you wish was joining you out here for 50? Oh, Devin. Devin was robbed. Yeah. Devin was robbed.

And I don't know, I'm sure Devin got the call. He's got an incredible family. I think they just had a baby. So maybe that was the reason Devin wasn't out here. But I would have loved to see him out here. I think he should have gotten another shot to play. Yeah. Yeah.

Last but not least, I'm going to throw in an odd experiment to you right now. Oh, okay. So we have a loved one's visit. But the only person you can bring is either a celebrity or a fictional character. Who would you bring in why? Oh. Well, I mean, Jeff Probst is already out there. Yeah, exactly.

So you want to clone him. He doesn't get it. Okay. A fictional person or a celebrity? Oh, gosh, I'm so bad at this. I just told you that I don't get excited about the celebrity stuff. You can pick fictional character if you want to. That leads me to fictional character, and then I got to pick a person.

Yeah. Mike, I don't know. Mike, this is the scariest part of Survivor for me so far. This question. Well, at least I'm starting you off easy in terms of my time. I'll bring you. I'll bring you because you're so nice. Oh my God, thank you, Chrissy.

You can come hang out with me, okay? Chrissy, I would love nothing more than that. Okay, that would be awesome. I'm so elated that you're here. You're so easy to, like, talk to. Yeah. Yeah, I'll bring you. Well, thank you for getting the chance to sit down and chat with me.

Like, this is so incredible. I'm so happy to see you here. I'm so nice to finally meet you. I know. after all these years. And we were neighbors. And everything that you've been through, you know, I think it's just for many ways.

I'm so happy that you're here in general on this planet and that you're here playing this. It's clear the headspace and the passion you have coming in is like so felt. Thank you. Thank you. I'm excited for some fun to be had. Oh my gosh, me too. My whole, like I feel so incredibly grateful.

Like just grateful. Grateful. I'll agree with Chrissy here trying to beat the no social game allegations because I had a great time getting to chat with her. And listen, we'll get into this more on the podcast with Rob, but I do feel like her comments about where she falls in the chronology of things between, you know, the old old schoolers and the new era people.

It's a really unique position. And we could possibly be looking at a journey where Chrissy is able to not only replicate her success, but improve upon it in one very necessary position. coming up tomorrow we'll continue with two more members of the Kalo tribe we are talking about coach Wade and de Viadaris two people who actually ended up showing up on the same Ben Katzman album and I really enjoy getting to get in the metaphoric booth with them to talk about each of their approaches to Survivor 50 so make sure you do not miss a second of that or any of the other interviews we have going on once more Rob has a website.com slash YouTube

for the video versions of these podcasts or we know survivor.com for all the Survivor podcasts we have going on in the preseason, during the season, et cetera. Thank you all, as always so much, Felicity. Let me know your thoughts when it comes to Charlie and Chrissy, particularly, you know, when it comes to the two of them possibly working together. You know, as we hear from both of these interviews, I think they are both seeing a former ally in the other one, but it seems like they both have. varying feelings about that.

How do you think that is going to work out once their feet hit the sand? We'll find out in due time as we are rapidly approaching February 25th. But I hope in the meantime, you've been enjoying all of these interview podcasts. I'll be back tomorrow with my interviews with Coach and Dee. Until then, everybody, take care. Bye-bye.