RHAP: We Know Survivor - Club Condo Special: Survivor 50 Snubs

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

As Survivor 50 celebrates five decades of blindsides, idols, and iconic gameplay, one question looms large: who didn't make the cut? In this podcast, Rob Cesternino and Chappell dig into the most surprising, controversial, and heartbreaking omissions from the Survivor 50 cast.

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after the Survivor season. We're back with more club condo and today we are hearing Chappelle's list of Survivor 50 snubs. The man here who understood the assignment here today. It's Chappelle. Chappelle, how are you? Rob, I'm good. I'm good. This is Survivor 50 in the hands of Chappelle. Okay, and that's how I'm tackling this.

I took this very seriously, okay? I literally, like I looked at the list and I thought, Chappelle, you could just pick your faves, but you need to dive in, do some research, and figure out, okay, what could, like, put your mind in the mind of the casting people and the production people and like how they landed on what they got. And then what we can do to tweak it to make the snubs make sense. Because there's a lot of snubs, 700 some odd people, there's a ton of snubs, but like,

what can we do realistically with those snubs, you know? And so that's why I'm here. Not just to talk about everybody's fave, but to try to kind of slot these pieces in and make them make sense. I don't know Chappelle's list. I'm excited to hear it on the podcast today, and it should be a fun one.

And of course, we can take reactions from the listeners as we go through it, maybe talk anything else season 50 at large last night. We got together for the season 50 draft I don't even think the game started yet, and we drafted already And so we had seven people in the draft we each drafted a team of three you can hear that now on the Rob as a Podcast patron podcast feed go to Rob as a website.com Patron for that if you don't want to become a patron at this time We totally understand we will drop it in the season 50 preseason in the main feed So everybody will get to hear the draft

eventually Yeah, yeah. But if you're a patron, you already caught the hot takes, you already know what happened and now you get to wait as you know, we see how things unfold, things will start to come out. It's gonna be more fun watching it early and kind of knowing where we're going instead of waiting until the week before we start talking about Survivor 50 to know the cast. So I love this idea. I'm happy that everybody got to tune in and see the picks that we made because it was

a very interesting things going on on that patron draft. I'll say that. Okay. Also yesterday I dropped a podcast. The guys from Drop Your Buffs stopped by and we talked about their reactions to Survivor 50. I talked a little bit about my saga with Survivor 50. You could hear that also in our podcast feed from Sunday. All right, Chappelle, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm good. I'm feeling okay. You know, like I said, I'm taking this assignment very seriously. So I'm kind of nervous because I don't want to misrepresent who I think should be on the list versus what I think should be on the list versus what I think would be some notable snubs for Survivor 50.

So I'm very tapped in right now. Can you walk us through what's the difference between people that you think should be on and the notable snubs? So if I made this season, if it was just in the hands of Chappelle, it would look very different. There are some people who would be there regardless. I don't care how many times y'all are tired of seeing them. I will never get tired of seeing Saris.

So she's on every cast, but I'm also never tired of seeing Sandra. So, you know, like things like that. And so like, no one's like Sandra got snubbed, personally, to me, maybe she did, maybe she did. But I also know people feel like that about Boston Robb and about Parvati, you know. I didn't think they got snubbed

until they put D and Kyle on. It was like, okay, I understand. Like, now I don't know why they aren't there. And that's why I'm taking this so seriously. Because I think that you cannot apply all the rules of this game that we're about to play to everyone. Okay? And so I've gone in and I've looked at the cast and I've tried to kind of put the pieces together and say

Okay, what were they thinking because it just seems like they made some shit up and I could do that myself I really could but I want to find some type of through line between these people to where okay If we apply these same rules to this group of people This is how we came up with this and here are snubs from that group based on those rules. Does that make sense? I think so. I think once you get going, I think it'll all become more clear. I would like to say that I feel like that in listening to some interviews that have been posted with Jeff

in terms of what they were looking for, it seems to me, I feel like what they were going for was maybe this idea of maybe that we didn't go necessarily for the biggest names. But like, I think what they're saying, and maybe they should have message this better of we think we are giving you what will be the best season that it may not. I would believe and we'll hear some interviews from production when they come out and they'll talk in Fiji and eventually but I think that that's what you're gonna hear of you didn't know Boston Rob was

Boston Rob we brought him back you didn't know poverty was poverty we brought her back when we brought back Sandra people were like really Sandra okay that's I think going to be the company line of that we brought back Sandra, people were like, really, Sandra? Okay. That's, I think, going to be the company line of that we brought back people that we think are going to turn into more of what you want. So here's my issue. I think you can apply that to some of the list, but you cannot apply that to everyone. And so my thesis here is that I'm going to break down the Survivor 50 cast that we got and kind of apply different rules to those sections,

and I'm going to fill it with snubs from each of those sections. So for instance, in the new era, yeah, you could say, we don't know what this person would be if they played two or three times. That's fine. In the old era, we know exactly who Aubrey is. We've seen her play a billion times. We know who she is. So there's no way they were using that criteria for the old era, right? So I want to just start with the old era and kind of work my way through what I'm thinking that they were going for and then make some adjustments based on your commentary, my commentary. And then, of course, we're live here on YouTube. So of course, I'd look at the chat and see what they have to say as well. But I want this to be an exercise in let us all, let, let, we are the fans.

It's in our hands. Let's do this. And so when we were planning out the season 50 content of what this week was going to look like when we talked about, we should do a podcast about the snubs. There was nobody else that came to mind than you as being the person to go to for the official snub list. I'm telling you, I'm taking this very seriously.

I've been thinking about it so much. That's why if you look on the internet, you can scour it. You really don't see me saying much about the cast because I'm like, no, I want to get all my thoughts together. You saved it? I just wanted to get all my thoughts together. I'm being very measured for once. It's something that I've been trying this week. Next week, I'm back to get all my thoughts together. I'm being very measured for once. It's something I've been trying this week You know next week. I'm back to being me but for this particular assignment, I feel like it's Survivor 50

I should take this serious. I don't want people to come away from this and be like why does Chappelle think those people are snubbed? I want to give people very clear reasons why I feel like these people are snubbed so that they don't look at this and be Like who came up with this because we're already doing that with the Survivor 50 cast, because I would say this, in a vacuum, those people are all great. They're all great. They're all great people. They're all great survivor characters in their own way,

but it's the way that you brought them together. That's why people are complaining about the cast. People are like, why do we need to have Coach back? Coach is a generational character on Survivor. Do we need Coach in this iteration of a cast with these people? Maybe not. And I think that's why it's falling flat.

It's not so much the separate people, cause the separate people are fine, but it's when you bring all these separate people together and you're trying to create this Voltron, it's not giving you Voltron, man. It's new Avengers. It's kind of sloppy. You know what I'm saying? It's not exactly what we signed up for. So that's my thesis and that's how I'm going to try to look at these snubs.

Okay. So you said you wanted to start on the old era and you're going to fix the old era. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to talk about some people who could have been left off the old era. Okay? And when I'm talking about old era, I'm actually going to start with the people who are pre-season 20, because Survivor decided, we don't need anybody from the 20s. So we'll get to them in a second. But let's just start with season 20 and earlier, okay? Okay. All right.

So based on what I can tell from the Survivor 50 cast, they were looking for faces of the franchise, right? They have Coach, they have, I mean, hold on, let me pull up the Survivor 50 cast. I don't want to get this wrong because I'm not actually looking at theirs because mine is better. But you start off with like Coach and Stephanie LaGrosse, right? That makes sense. They were like big names, big faces.

They played multiple times. Saree, Ozzy, these are household names in Survivor history. So it makes sense that they're there. If you wanted to, like Rob, this is kind of something you and I were talking about. It felt like when you first heard about Survivor 50, that you assumed it was going to be these people, right? One last rip for the legends, you know? Is that inaccurate? I at first thought it was going to be a lot of people from the new era and maybe a couple of people, but then they made it sound like, no, it's going to be a lot of people from the, all the eras.

And so that's when I started to think that, okay, we're going to bring back a lot of folks and maybe some people for that one last rip. Okay, so let's talk about the one last rip, folks. Because I do like that idea. Now, it's not personally what I would have wanted for my Survivor 50, but let's go with that. Because it does feel like there's some of that energy. Stephanie LaGrosse, multiple time player,

I asked the Survivor fact checker, I said, multiple time player, I asked the survivor fact checker. I said, hey, what's the like amount of days these people, the ones who've been chosen have played, right? And from Jenna Lewis at 65 days, two seasons, all the way up to Ozzy at 128 days, these are no slouches. All of these people made their mark on Survivor. And so I said, okay, look, I'll go to Jenna Lewis

and I'll kind of use her as the benchmark. If you have played multiple seasons of Survivor, like everybody on this cast has, in the old era, we were talking about the old, pre-20s, if you'll play multiple seasons and you've lasted at least 65 days, you are in the running for this, okay? Okay.

So that's what, so I'm looking, like I'm thinking that's what production had in mind. That's how we get Jenna. That's how we get Colby. That's how we get Stephanie. That's how we get three. That's how we get Ozzy. That's how we get coach. Is that why I didn't make it? I mean, maybe, you know, like I'm just trying to put myself in the mind of 50 days, 50 Chappelle. It's perfect. Rob, you're in another category. You're in another category. We'll get to, we'll get to the Rob snub as well. Don't worry.

It's coming. But I did want to try to find like a through line with these people. Right. And so that's all I landed on. These people play multiple times. They're big characters, but they're basically, they were faces of the franchise in different ways. And then you have Jenna Lewis as well.

Yeah. Okay. Um, if you want to start with Jenna Lewis as well. Yeah. Okay. If you want to start with Jenna Lewis and Borneo, there are other people who played multiple times coming out of the first few seasons. I had tweeted this a few weeks ago, and people were booing and throwing their tomatoes at me.

And I was like, I see what you cheer for, so your boos don't affect me. So I had posited Jervis Peterson as a potential snub and here's why One we know we didn't meet the BIPOC Mandate that we all know that CBS promised us so that would solve that problem But also Jervis has played 69 days across two seasons Nice, hella nice across two seasons and he also is some 20s representation. Now I'm not going to say Jervis needs to be on this cast, but based on the criteria that

I've already outlined, that's why I said that Jervis should be a snub. How do you feel about that? Yeah, I love Jervis. I think that Jervis would have been very fun to have as part of this cast because I think that Jervis is, he doesn't, he's timeless. He doesn't age. Yeah. And it would be Borneo representation,

which we know if you want to get the old people back from that, like I left Survivor, but I came back, but I'll come back for this. He's a notable name. Now I'm not saying Jervis is at the top of my list of snubs, but again, we're following my criteria here. Does that make sense? Sure.

Okay. Obviously a big snub. Sam, if you could pull up somebody on my... We gotta talk about the original Black Widow, Jerry Manthe. Okay. Jerry Manthe. All right. You threw him off. He didn't know which slide to bring up. I told him. I told him. We're being loosey goosey with here. But again, I'm not picking this because I love Jervis. Now if I'm picking my cast, Jervis is on my cast because I love Jervis. He's part of the reason why I started watching Survivor.

But I'm trying to put myself in the mind of what we could be looking for. If we were going to flesh out that season of like, here's the last rip for these legends, here's what we're going to do. Oh, also, another thing, in the last RIP category, we're not talking about any winners. We didn't get any winners from pre-20. None. We got none, so I'm not talking about them. So, Parvati's not in this conversation, Sandra's not in this conversation, Boss Rao's not in this conversation, Todd's not in this conversation. You get it. We'll get to them later on. Okay? Okay. Jerry Manthe, obvious snub. Everyone's talking about it, but Jerry's stats don't lie.

Jerry lasted 81 days across three seasons of Survivor, okay? One of the faces of the franchise for sure, she was in the first all-star season, like yourself, obviously, and clearly she wanted to play. So, the biggest snub that I will start with is Jerry Manthe. How do you feel about the potential that we could will start with is Jerry Manthe. How do you feel about the potential that we could have gotten to see Jerry Manthe come back for one last rip?

So this is basically, I just want to make sure I'm following what you're subbing out. So instead of Jenna and Colby, we're getting Jerry and Jermis. No, no, no. See, what I'm doing here is saying if we were going to follow that, let's say we were going to build a cast of last ripped people. I think that Jerry Manthe would fall in that category. Yeah. Okay. So this is, is this all going to be like if you were doing a cast of all the last chance

people, this is what that cast would look like? I'm saying if this was Survivor last chance, here are the people that we could be talking about potentially. I'm not saying that we're going to build out a cast of 12 women and 12 men. I'm just saying here are the snubs that did not make Survivor Last Chance because we got our Survivor Last Chance people and that is the one that we have for Survivor 50. Does that make sense? I think so.

Yeah. We're not building a cast. I'm just saying if we were, here are the people eligible for that title. Okay, all right. So, Jerry Manthe, I think it's been pretty well traveled at this point, like the points for Jerry Manthe, that she is somebody who is going to bring a lot of emotion to the season.

And I think she's gonna share that with the audience. I mean, she's been sharing her emotions about not being in the cast so much. We could have gotten that on the show. Yeah, we could have got that on the show. Obviously, Coach is on the season. Jerry and Coach have been a dynamic duo in the past. That would be fun to explore. But also, Jerry and Colby is a tale as old as time. I don't even know if I want to see them on Survivor without each other. I kind of just feel like they go hand in hand. Uh, and so, for me, Jerry, like, especially knowing those two people are getting on, Jerry is probably one of the most obvious snubs based on what we have for Survivor 50.

Mm-hmm. You good with that? Yes. Okay. Cool. So, let's move on. Now we have a few people and again, I've narrowed this down to multiple time players from the early seasons that have made a big splash or where the faces of the blah blah blah. And like I said, Rob, you did not meet 65 Daymark, so we will talk about you later.

Yeah, but you already said that. Yes, I'm just making sure. You know, because people are tuning in to the chat. I don't want people to be like about you later. Yeah, but you already said that. Yes, I'm just making sure. You know, cause people are tuning in to the chat. I don't want people to be like, you, David. If you're just joining us, Rob did not play enough days of Survivor to meet Chappelle's criteria for one last ride.

The perceived Survivor 50 criteria for the people they chose, okay? Cause another person who I personally don't need to see on Survivor again, but I have been complaining for months because when I found out they were going to the entire 50, they were going to look at all 25 years of Survivor for players. I just knew they were going to pick Rupert. Somehow, I don't know if Rupert just has a bad foot or what, if his toe is acting up

again. But if you're picking people who are massively popular from the survivor seasons, from the early days, you cannot skip Rupert. It doesn't make sense. I personally never need to see Rupert on my screen ever again, ever. But if you have LaGrosse, you got to have Rupert. He was LaG He was number one Yeah, so for Rupert, I just don't know if this was a snub I don't know if they wanted him and he couldn't do it medically or if there was some other reason

So I just don't know what Rupert is like physically at this point Look and that's okay. A lot of these old geezers are probably not the same as they used to be. We're about to get a whole lesson in fitness from Kobe this season. He's gonna bounce back, I know it. I got my heart set on Kobe. He's gonna take off the fat suit and he's gonna be ripped, okay? Uh, and so, I'm down for that.

I can understand that all of these people could have, uh, you know, outlined circumstances that would keep them off the cast. I'm just saying based on the criteria that I've outlined, based on what we see, you can't have La Grossa without having Rupert. He was La Grossa number one, okay? So if we're going for that, the faces of the franchise,

how do you not have them? Yeah, so in this world that you're building, is the entire cast made up of these people? It's like all, the one last rip people, In this world that you're building, is the entire cast made up of these people? It's like all the One Last Rip people, it's all people who played before Survivor 20 that are people who have over 85 days played? This could be, well 65. This could be, yeah, 65.

This could be One Last Rip versus the new era. This could be One Last Rip versus, you know, Second Chance, whatever. I'm just saying that if we're using One last rip as a category, here are the people, here are the legends of the game that would represent a celebration of 25 years of Survivor. How do you not have... Rupert's on the Mount Rushmore of Survivor and he's not even a good player. Okay. Okay. There we are. Okay. Cat, let me know how bad we hate Rupert. Again, personally, not even there. Okay?

But not for me. But for anybody else, go for it. Right? Right. Y'all like that. Okay. Ben. We also, I'm seeing people in the chat saying Lex and Big Tom, I don't think they have the

potential, the star power that maybe like a Rupert has or whatever. I think they would be fine in the, in, in, in like, if we're bringing back the faces for the one last rip, we got multiple times played by both of them. You know, they both went far. I don't know if it's 65 days. Someone had to fact check me because I don't have that on hand. For who? I didn't have time. Both of them? Yeah, I think they both hit 65.

Yeah, I assume they went to the to the they will one of them went to the end twice. The other one, maybe like a 65. Oh, but yeah, let's so yeah, so those two as well. We also see like the return with like Alicia and Kimmy Capenberg, but they don't make the splash. Then some of the other people name she. She and is another one who I don't think makes 65 Days, but she has a good showing. So there are plenty of people in there, right? Even if you wanted to get to like Andrew Savage, who I don't know if people are looking for another return for Andrew Savage or anybody like that.

He's been very active on Twitter lately. To me, Andrew Savage would be a great person to put in this spot. Because again, he kind of spans different generations of Survivor. He's in the Pearl Islands in the early stages, but he also comes back for Cambodia. So he's like in that Jervis Bridge category, where he kind of bridges the gap. Tyson's a little bit like that, too.

So those people are there, but I don't necessarily say, oh, we are missing them from the season for it to work. OK. All right. I would like to make a sexy choice here. say like, oh, we are missing them from the season for it to work. Okay. All right. I would like to make a sexy choice here. I think this is a spicy one. Uh, I think that Candace Cody was robbed. Uh, I think Candace Cody, she spans three decades of survivor and some weird, weird twist of events, you know, um, the way this woman played and Cook

Islands and then Heroes vs. Villains, and then again in Blood vs. Water, for no apparent reason. I think that if you were celebrating 25, I think Candice Cody would be another good one. But once we hit that Candice Cody realm, there are so many other big players that we haven't talked about, right? So you have the biggest name that I've heard so far throughout thrown around in this category of faces of the show played multiple

times, uh, thousands of days, Amanda Kimmel. All right. Amanda Kimmel plays in, uh, what, three times in what, two years maybe? Um, I think it's more than two years. It's something to that effect, right? And over the course of like three years, she plays like three times. And back to back, she goes to the final tribal council. She's the best hero on the heroes tribe by the end of the game for sure. And she's good. Everybody loves Amanda, you know, whether you like you might not love her gameplay You might say that it's a little feckless, you know at times or maybe that she doesn't she's not a closer But like people in that realm right in this in this I say one of the golden errors of Survivor is the seasons right right there like season 11 12 to like

16 17 those people that were made right there, a lot of them are legends. And I think like Amanda and Candice, they kind of fall in that category, but more so Amanda, of course. Yeah, it seems like that they had Amanda at one point in the fold and they let her off the hook. Yeah, look, that's the thing.

People are saying like Amanda dropped. Okay, well, what you got to do to keep Amanda? You know, throw us the money. How bad do you want to celebrate this season? Yeah. What's it worth? What's it worth to you? You know, it's like, it's Amanda Kimmel, but that's like, it's not like it's only Amanda.

And we don't know what her ultimate issue was, if it was money or commitment or what, but it did seem like that there was a lot of smoke that Amanda Kimmel was going to be part of this cast. There was a lot of smoke that Amanda Kimmel was gonna be part of this cast. There was a lot of smoke. Now, if she decided not to do it, there's nothing we can do, but a snub is a snub, right? Like if she was asked, we don't know that. Survivor should have sent out the list

of the people they asked, okay? And the people who turned them down, then we could eliminate them from contention. Maybe Survivor could make their list of people who snubbed us. Right, exactly. People who left them on read. Amanda Kimmel would fall in that category who left them on red. Amanda Kimmel would

fall in that category. Another person Rob from the Amanda Kimmel kind of era, Jonathan Penner, Jonathan Penner. He sounds like he wanted to play Rob. Where is Jonathan? It's a good question. And yeah, he has come out and said that, I don't know, there was like some conflicting reports of that. He said he was out. Some people said that, Oh no, he got sick or had COVID. And there was some other reason why he couldn't do it. But then he had posted about how that have, did you notice that nobody below the age of Propes is on the cast?

Probably because he doesn't want to be reminded of his age. Oh, well, I mean, if so, Jeff did his big one because Jonathan Penner would have definitely reminded him any chance he got. Yeah. Yeah.der, to me is one that's in the one last rip category, very disappointing that I feel like we will probably never see him play Survivor again. Yeah. I believe he played something like 78 days across three seasons. So he might not be one of the flagship faces of the early stages of Survivor, those first 10 seasons. But when we usher in the golden era of Survivor and the idol era of Survivor, Jonathan Pinner

is right there at day one. And then he also comes back again in the 20s in a way that they're not really well in the, you know, whatever. Yeah, in the 20s. And so they're not really showing a lot of homage to that group of people from the twenties. So I feel like even if it's a returnee, if it's a returnee that doubled up, you got to show them some love. He's also evoked in Winners at War when Yule is going to raise money for ALS research because

of Penner and the whole very tragic story about his wife, Stacy, and he's trying to raise money for them. He's playing for them in, if he wins the prize money, so it comes up there also. Yeah, he was basically another cast member on that season and we were rooting for Yule even more because of that. And you know, it was like, we were, everybody loves Yule, but it's like, at that point,

we started rooting for him double, you know, cause like, man, this whole penitent thing, we all had our hearts going out to Jonathan. And so I don't understand how they looked at this list and thought we don't need him. Where's Johnny? What'd we do? Where's Johnny?

Yeah, bad luck Johnny. Bad luck Johnny. Oh, okay. I know again, I brought up earlier that there was some misrepresentation, I guess, when they say about the amount of BIPOC people would be on this season. Back in the old days, Rob, you were there. They would have like they get their favorites and then they just

keep repeating them over again. That's why we saw Saree play 18 times in like two days. So one of the people in that Saree mode that were just getting the, like, just making their rounds, James Clement, he was all over the place as a face of Survivor. One of the biggest, like, he's in that Rupert mold of like massively popular, all over the place, and played a lot of times in a short amount of time.

Yeah, James, we last saw him in Survivor 36 at the Ghost Island finale, and Jeff talked about that. You know, he was like giving props to James at the Eric of like, Hey, you guys made big moves. Like, you know, maybe, maybe I had it wrong about you guys. Redmond's in the chat. I have no idea if James Clement was contacted and I have no idea if James Clement wants to play when he's not playing survivor. we don't hear from him. Yeah. And I mean, he was there. He was almost like this random figure in Survivor that popped up.

Everybody loved him. He wasn't the best game player, like kind of in that Rupert mode, but he was such a big character. It was like, okay, if we're trying to give these people one last shot at it, if we're paying homage to the goats to the goats back, the big names back in the day, y'all just like, didn't even call them. I could see him saying no also.

I could see him saying no. I could see him saying no. He should have said no the third time. But like this, yeah. I just don't like, if they called him, cool. I'm don't like if they called him cool. I'm not saying they didn't call him. I'm just saying it's crazy that he's not on the cast. Okay.

If we're giving them their last rip. Yeah. What do you think? Is that the end of the one last rip people? Or just on James Clement? What do I think? Well, there's one more person that I can't ignore because I think they did get a call. What the hell is going on? What happened? They don't want Courtney Yates on them anymore? Yeah, Courtney Yates, I had made a cameo that had been circulating that they did call her

I think she said she never really felt like it was going to happen But they did do their due diligence just to see if she was up for it. And yeah, I guess not Yeah, what's that about? I don't know. I mean, I don't know what they were going for. I think that that's it's hard without a Theme to sort of like unite all this to say like, what exactly were they looking for? We just kind of got the names. We didn't really even get from Jeff when he did some interviews about, okay, this is exactly what we wanted from people. I know he is also they wanted people that really wanted to play hard that that I've seen interviews where he said you have to effing Wanted those are the people that they wanted. He said Chrissy she

Wants it she plays hard and so maybe that they look at Courtney and like well, how bad does she well? She's there but how hard does she play? Jeff never gave respect to Courtney, you know, he never respected her the way I wanted him to respect her. Maybe he respected her personally, like on a one-on-one, but publicly, for me, it always felt like Jeff was like, dang, Courtney, and she called him Jeffrey. He probably didn't like that either. I don't think he liked that.

You know, yeah, so, I don't know. I just feel like, okay, say what you want to say, but if we're giving these faces that last a long time in the game that are big personalities, Courtney was barely on the screen during Heroes vs. Villains and she still got a ton of confessionals. They like, she was still just like talking shit the whole time. She was very quiet really through like the Tyson boot and then she starts to like pick it up the last couple episodes. Yeah, and who knows how she would how far she would have gone had she made the jury that time or whatever. So I don't know.

I just feel like, I mean, she made the jury, but had she made the merge or whatever. But yeah, whatever. That's just me. I'm just saying, I don't see why Courtney Yates wouldn't be there. Do you have any big, strong bones of contention with my list of these one last RIP people. It's just so hard because I feel like without knowing who we're taking out to say like, yeah, those are all fine names to put in, but I feel like I need to have a one-to-one of like, okay, we're taking out Jenna and Colby and putting in Jerry and Jervis, and

we're taking out Ozzy and putting in James. So I think that it's a little bit hard without the like subtraction to also do the addition. So here's my reason why I can't do that. Is because they didn't give us a complete cast of anything. They gave us pieces of everything. So it's like, you gave us five of these people. I'm not saying that those people shouldn't be on either.

Those people should stay, of course, let them be on. I'm not mad about any of them being on. It's just these people should be on with them. You know what I'm saying? If you want to subtract people, subtract, I don't know, ten other people that I haven't talked about yet, you know? You know, like whatever, take off the new era people. Now you have a different cast.

Survivor Last Ripped with legends or, you know, the OGs or whatever you want to call it from the first 20 seasons. I think you could make an argument for maybe Terry Dietz. But I think he played like 50 one days, so he doesn't quite meet my criteria. But yeah, leading up to, I guess what, season 20. I mean, if you don't want to have Stephen Fishback on again, I don't know if he was called. I don't think he wants to have Stephen Fishback on again. Stephen Fishback wouldn don't know if he was called. I don't think he wants to have Stephen Fishback on again. Stephen Fishback wouldn't want to do Survivor 50. Did he say, is he on record? I believe many times.

That he wouldn't play Survivor 50. Stephen Fishback's crazy. That book better sell. Y'all go pre-order that book right now. StephenFishback.com. I think he told Mike Bloom during the Survivor Wishlist that he does not want to play Survivor 50. Maybe if JT was there also, maybe he would come back. But Oh God, you got to let that go. Steven, please. I believe Steven has a no desire to play survivor again. Emily Flippen said the same thing. That's true. Steven's not a liar like that. Oh, okay. Okay. He hasn't won yet. So you might be right. It's like, I think you gotta be a good liar to win Survivor.

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Is it nobody in the 20s from I guess that they knew that. Coach and Ozzy played in Survivor 23. Well, look, let's just pick a season. Coach and Ozzy played in Survivor 23. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, look, let's just pick a season. Okay. Andrea Belki. Yeah. Where is Andrea Belki?

That's a really good question. She had done an Instagram and she said that they, I believe that they asked her, I think she said she would do it and she didn't get picked if I have the story correct. But she said she really was not disappointed about it. I mean, she Andrea Belki now, like she different. She's like, you know, like she kinda, she big, she big, she a big dog now.

You know what I'm saying? Like she can do whatever she wants. But at the same time, we're talking about the snubs. We're talking about people who are faces of the franchise. This lady played a bunch of times and she does fairly well each time. She's good and confessional. She's a big character. She kind of like, I don't say she unseated Parfity, but people used to say, I want to play like Parfity. And then slowly they were like, we can play like Andrea, you know? So I don't know. I feel like that's a snub. You don't feel the same way?

Look, it seems like her heart wasn't really in it. You know, it seems like that they called her and she wasn't really like dying to go. And she said that she's in a better place to not go. So it would have been great. She easily could have been on this cast, but it just seems to me like she was not really up for it. Andrew's played what? Over a hundred days of Survivor?

Yeah, I believe so. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. Thanks to Survivor fact checker, I do kind of have like a good feel for like who are the people who like were putting up numbers. And she's definitely on that list. She played over a hundred days. I mean, she's played more than Kobe. I think less than Aubrey, more than Kobe, that's nothing to slouch it or sneeze it, I guess. So, you know, so anyway, so Andrea is on my list of snubs. I saw some people in the chat talking about Brenda low. I feel like Brenda's heart was in it last time. What do you think?

Yeah, maybe not. It seems like that she didn't really have a big edit up until like around the time that she ended up going home. And then she brought a lot to it, but she was so good in survivor Nicaragua. I would just have no idea what station in life she's at right now. And I think that like, to me, that is a very interesting returnee. Whereas I feel like Amanda also was in that category of like these people like had something and maybe the last time out it didn't go great. But is there something that they do they have that other gear that we get to like we don't know exactly everything that she's capable of. Yeah.

She did great both times. She's a big name. She was a fan favorite, I would say. People clamored for her to come back. She did come back on the fans versus favorite season. So that means she's already a favorite. She had an interesting exit, but I know people like Brenda. Again, she's not one of my snubs, but I've been looking on the internet and I've been reading the comments. People were looking for Brenda At least a Brenda mentioned I mean I need to know if these people got phone call at least from the 20 because a lot of them are just kind Of like becoming lost names I'm not here to

Revisit voting out your mom, but Sierra did vote out her mom, you know I look she played on game changer She played a bunch of times but a lot of these people played with bunch of times I'm telling you the average amount of time these people played was three, the cast that they landed on. I think Jenna Lewis is the only one who only played twice. So where is what, four time player, Sierra Easton?

Yeah, Sierra Easton would have been interesting. I think that she's somebody that kind of has gotten forgotten about. They brought her back for Game Changers so soon, and she's another person that's played like three times in very short succession. She plays what? 27, 31 and 34. So she's like every three seasons for a little bit. And then never again. So she has a three times in seven seasons. And then ultimately, I guess, I guess it's probably eight and then we never see her again.

And I feel like she was gone so quick in Survivor Game Changers. You would think that she kind of got unlucky there. So I wouldn't have been mad at Sierra there. Me neither. But I also wouldn't be mad at some representation from the Philippines. I think that these two people, people have been complaining. People have been talking about it. They're like, where are these people? Sam, you got these people from the Philippines.

We have Abby Maria and Malcolm. Sure. Sure. They're in this space where I guess Survivor really doesn't want to highlight the first time players. But Abby Maria Gomez, she would help with our five-pocket issue. Okay, she was called, we know this because she has not stopped talking about it. And she was cut basically the day before they announced the cast. Am I, am I getting that wrong? Redmond's in the chat. I'm sure he was telling me

that Johnny Fairplay is reporting that, that he kind of said that he had like a blind item that he had had a conversation with Abby he had, uh, had a conversation with Abby Maria and she thought she was going to find out on Wednesday on the early show, if she was going to be on the cast. I think she might've thought it was like a survivor of second chances, according to Johnny fair play. And that might've been, uh, him misunderstanding what she's saying also. Yikes. Yeah. I think that again, we're looking for representation from all the eras. That's what they told us.

This is a celebration of all of Survivor. So we've moved away from kind of like the faces of the game in those early stages, you know? But now we're kind of to the people who shaped the middle era and they played a lot. Abbey Marie has played twice. She went far both times and she is a bit of representation that you know, people are missing when they look at this cast. So I don't think there's a reason why, like a strong case to be made against Abby Maria if they wanted to build

a cast around these types of players. She's always brought the drama. She's going to bring it into survivor 50. Like I think Abby would have been a fun wild card. Yeah. Yeah. And then- We had a great interview a couple of months ago. Yeah. Yeah. Abby's awesome. I love hearing you talk to Abby. She's like, you could tell that she like, she loves like y'all have a good banter together. And Abby seems great off the island, but on the island, she turns into the dragon. And you know, I'm sorry the dragon is good TV

Always has been every since I would love to have worked with Abby Maria on Survivor That would have been so cool. Yeah, that's what they're like We you got that's what that's what we're supposed to be doing here building our almost like our Avengers Yeah, like who do we need here celebrate Survivor? Maybe it would be my mistake. I feel like I get her I feel like that get her. I feel like that I can work with her. It would be your mistake. That would actually be a downfall because so many people said that. So many. I could do it though. You would be the one. Yeah okay. I just would love to see Abby. Challenge accepted. Abby and Coach on the

same island. Don't tell me what I can't do. No, Rob, I think, I don't know. I don't know, man. But again, we would have loved to see it. We would have loved to see it. Also, in this same kind of area with Abby and with Malcolm, there are a couple other people who I'm kind of breezing by because I just don't see it as a realistic possibility. Beast Mode cowboy, we saw him play twice. Who needs that? He's not really a celebration of survival type. If you miss him, that's good for you. It's not really for me. Could we stop down on Malcolm that you mentioned also? Because I feel like that he was a huge casting snub to not have him here. Oh, absolutely. Malcolm is one of the

bigger names. He's kind of, again, in the La Grossa, in the Rupert kind of form of like, Malcolm, I asked people on the street, what did they think? They wanted to be like Malcolm. Everybody, Malcolm, how do you get your hair like that? Malcolm, oh my God. Like they people were eating out of Malcolm's hands. And now he's just gone. Like, there's no there's no Malcolm.

We don't get no explanation. It really is so bizarre, especially after the way he went out on Game Changers, where it really did feel like that he has more story, where he played, and Sierra we mentioned, but Malcolm is like so much even more that of like, that he has this great story. He comes so close the first time, he's not able to get back there,

but he really becomes one of the faces of the show after his second time that he plays and then he comes back on game changers and then there's just this horrible red wedding where he gets extremely unlucky in a season where he's like 80% of people's winner picks is Malcolm going back into that season and that's it we never get the end of the story on Malcolm he won snake in the grass and that's it? We never get the end of the story on Malcolm? He won Snake in the Grass and that's it? He won Snake in the Grass? Yeah. Cool. Yep. Had no clue. They just decided, no, guess we don't need Malcolm here. Again, I feel like if you were building out a cast of people and you had those early on legends, Malcolm sits with those people in Survivor history.

You know, like he's not coach, but he's like coach adjacent. He's not, you know, like there you have the people who kind of built the franchise and you have the people who carried the legacy. And I would say Malcolm is one of those people as well. Yeah. I think if you were going to like make a list of like the faces of Survivor, I think he's probably like somewhere between like 10 and 15. Yeah, but that's not bad because we had 733 people to choose from, Rob, and 25 years to go off of. And we're like, we need three people from the same season.

That's what'll get them. Yeah, I like that idea. Some sort of like, the faces of Survivor. These aren't the best players. These aren't necessarily like, these are sort of like the most like notable people in the show's history. Yeah. Um, Revenant and Chats pointed out Russell Swan, another one where we saw him come from survivor 19 play again, Russell Swan. I think his story is done. That's why I don't really

talk about Russell Swan. He talks to his Lord and Jeff at the same time and was like, Hey, I'm good here. I don't need to be playing Survivor. Russell Swan is one of the goats, in my opinion. I love him so much. He's just a fun character. But yeah, as far as being on Survivor 50, I don't think we necessarily need Russell Swan. But for the Swan people out there, I don't blame you for wanting it. Okay. Back in this 20s area, right? We know that there are some people who are more controversial, who we probably won't see like a Raymond Bled. So, you know, we saw Raymond, his whole spiel on Twitter, X, Y, Z.

So I'm not really like gonna cake too much for Raymond Bled. I don't think that being controversial was the issue. I mean, it seems like that, I feel like if you're controversial, they either call you or they don't. And it sounds like that they called him. Yeah, they didn't care to like make, not to like snuggle. I don't think they called him to see if he was controversial.

I think he said, not controversial enough to stop us from calling. I think they called him to piss him off. Maybe. Wouldn't it be funny if we called Spencer, excuse me, Raymond, I'm sorry, Spencer. Yeah, I bet they were like laughing and kiki'ing all the way to the bank, knowing that they were pissing him off

But yeah again two-time player massively famous one of the faces of the show as around that Cagayan era Yeah, Tyler Perry's making up advantages. So just so he can win the game. He was you know, yeah, he was huge. He was huge Along with him Tasha Fox whoo, you know Not like the biggest name especially whoo cuz we'll kind like, he like just kind of like phoned it in in Second Chances. But Tasha, Tasha shows up every time, you know, again, we need BIPOC representation. Was she busy? Did y'all call her? I just want to know. I'm not saying she needs to be on Survivor 50. But again, we're picking people, we're moving, we're trying to fill this thing up. What are we doing? She has a very quiet game in the second half of Second Chances.

Like, she actually is doing a lot of stuff in the beginning in the pre-Merge game, but then we really don't hear a ton from her in the post-Merge. Yeah, yeah. Ooh, another person from that same season. The chat is asking for it since we've made it to Kagaon. And I do need to talk about some other things too, but since we made it to Cagayan, of course we have Chaos Kass.

Personally, I'm good on the Chaos Kass story. I've seen it. I wasn't able to make connections. I'm making connections. But now we have Chaos Kass, we got Emily Flippin. We could do this two sides of the same coin type situation if you wanted to. How do you feel about Kass this two sides of the same coin type situation if you wanted to. How do you feel about Cass being on like the one of the faces of Survivor in like for like a last rip?

For the last rip? I just don't know. It feels like to me that the relationship between the show and Cass is broken. So I did and she was saying on Twitter that they called her. I just am surprised that that they want her and that just am surprised that they want her and that she would want them. Like it doesn't seem like a match. No, and yet they keep calling. You know, so it's like, Castle's always like, yeah, if it ever bothered me the other day,

I don't know if I would do that show. Like she always like seems like she's too cool for it, but you also play twice. So now I don't know, were you too cool for it the second time? Like, you too cool for it now. Again, we need the call logs. I need to know everybody who got the call and if they really want it. But yeah, if we're talking about people who could just like this could be their last shot to play Survivor.

Yeah, we'll never go back to this era again. Why not let Cass have one more go? Next up. Bring go? Next up. Bring drama. Next up. I heard this person said no. Okay. And they also did not get a call. Kelly Wentworth couldn't get a call from Survivor?

What's up? What's up with that? Yeah. It seems like that that's another situation where that I think she I think she's good. And I think that maybe they're not calling not that she doesn't deserve a spot. I think that she's another person that, uh, you know, is easily like one of the faces of the show and is beloved by the fans. I just don't think that she was particularly interested in coming back and I, and maybe knowing that, that

they didn't call. I just don't understand. Like you said, faces of the show beloved by the fans. Who's seeing Kelly Wentworth show up and being like, no, I'm good. Most people are like, yeah, okay, that's cool. Kelly Wentworth plays hard every time. You want to talk about people who play hard, Rob? How is she not the poster child for this person going to go out there and give it their all the whole time?

Yeah, now maybe she wasn't going after they call But I still think they should have called Nobody's nobody's gonna call Kelly Wentworth. I'm sorry Kelly Wentworth if you're listening to this I'm sorry if you don't want to do Survivor no more, but you should have did this one You should have did Survivor 50. Sorry. You want her to do it if she doesn't want to do it Absolutely. This is about me. This is in the hands of the fans Yeah, not in the hands of Kelly Wentworth who is also a fan ma'am You should like you should want you to play Survivor. It's not playing. Oh

Okay, a lot of good points. I'm just saying I'm just saying um, I Personally would have had Michaela Bradshaw on my list of snubs for my personal Yeah, oh well, yeah, I guess we can get to the 30s. Yeah, we can get to the 30s. Can I add one other person I don't think we've talked about is, what about Phillip? How did you feel about if Phillip was somebody who I feel like late in the game,

I started to see his name in the rumors? Yeah, I like Phillip. I don't think Survivor and Phillip have a good relationship, I would say that. I don't think he liked the way they treated him, and I don't want him to not have a good time. I would say that. I don't think he liked the way they treated him. And I don't want him to like, to not have a good time. But Phillip and Coach on the same season, Survivor been wanting that to happen.

That's what they wanted. I do feel like that Phillip and Cass, I think are similar in terms of like, yeah, I don't know if this is a good fit either, but it seems like that maybe it is something that just like keeps coming back into the possibility. Again, multiple time player, big name, one of the faces of his season for sure. Based on the criteria we're looking at right now, I don't see a reason why you wouldn't

at least call them. That's all I'm saying. Maybe you don't want them, but you got to call them. Okay. Yeah. Michaela is another interesting one where I kind of felt like that after her run on the challenge, I kind of felt like that she like Desi also, I feel like that these are people who sort of like really like broke out more on other shows. You would think that Survivor might have been interested in potentially bringing them

back. Nope, they don't have any interest in them. I just don't feel like they called my girl Michaela. I don't know. And I think Michaela would be running to come back to play again, especially with Sarie. Like, come on, man. I would have called Michaela. But we're now at the 30s, and this is not an area that they skipped.

This is just an area that they just decided to pick and choose what kind of player. So these 30s people, they don't really follow that criteria because these are basically second chances. So I have a whole different, a whole different spiel for second chances. But everybody we just talked about before this have played Survivor multiple times for roughly 60 days and were big names and faces of their season. Make sense? Got it. All right. So if I was going to fill a cast with that group of people,

obviously yourself, you would be one of those snubs, Rob. It just doesn't make sense. I know you're probably tired of hashing it out, but it doesn't make sense that you weren't there because of these other added benefits that you have. And I want to talk about somebody else with that too. You, Bryce Isaiah, there's several people in the survivor world who have made themselves staples in Survivor.

So it's kind of like, if you are a fan of Survivor, you might not have ever seen this person play. I know people who are patrons of RHIP who have not seen Survivor the Amazon, and I don't think you will let them watch Survivor All-Stars. And so because of that, but they still know you. They find out to be a part of a survivor community. I don't think this show lasts 50 seasons without the contributions of people like you and Bryce. So the fact that y'all did not make it, and I know you got a call, but the fact that y'all not on the season, cause we're looking at

results it's a travesty. Y'all were snubbed. I do appreciate you saying that, you know, it's fine. You know, I get to talk about the show and I'll continue to get to talk about the show. So it's, you know, I understand it for the people that are disappointed. It's like a tough thing for me to, to talk about because that I know for me personally, like I'm fine. And I think that maybe the fact that I am fine is maybe hurts me in terms of like, if you're looking for people that are like going to like break down a wall to go to get out there. Unfortunately, that's not me. Like I would, I would do it. I take the game so seriously. Like I would play hard, but I

I don't have it in me to like be so like. Desperate for it, like I don't have like a yearning in my soul to be on the island like I would I would do it. it would be an honor, but like if I don't get to do it, I'm also okay. And that's okay, right?

But I would be crazy to not mention it. Again, we were talking about faces of the game. You definitely were one of those people for decades. People have been saying, I'm gonna play a Rob Sestrino game. You helped define the strategy. We've been through this before. Okay. So I'm so happy that you're able to find peace with it. Let us be the ones to complain and throw the damn fit. Okay. We're about to talk about Bryce and the second

chance to assume. Oh, one last person. I think I skipped them. I didn't mean to. Ty Trang. Ty Trang played a bunch of times. Those far in the game every time. Be good for representation as well. Sia loved him. Started giving out money. You know, like... True. Ty is always great in that mode, but he's kind of like the tail end of that group of people who were just kind of like the biggest popular names in their season who played multiple times. Mm-hmm. Okay.

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This is we should have had an all-star season before before 40 and we did that's what this is Chrissy Hoffbebacks, great choice. Angelina, obviously the cast of David versus Goliath, you could pick them all. Fine, I don't care. But like, when we talk about HHH, one of the people we talk about is Devin Pinto. Devin Pinto, the guy who should have won, you know?

He's in that mold of like, he was right there, robbed goddess type situation. People say Chrissy was robbed, but that fire making challenge really screws over Devin the most. If it not for that, Devin probably wins the game. He probably beats Chrissy too. So it's very tough.

Yeah, it's a good question. I feel like that there's all of the, Chrissy should have won discourse. If Devin Pinto was in the final three though, I don't know necessarily if you, maybe the people in the chat have a better like finger on the pulse of if Devin would have won, if it was Devin in the final three with Chrissy and Ryan,

does Devin win the game? I think he was well liked, but I also had heard that people didn't know how good of a game he was playing until they saw the episodes. Yeah, yeah. They didn't know about his strategy. But I also think that they didn't like Chrissy and they didn't like Ben. And so it was kind of like if you bring in a third option that they're okay with, I think that would have been on an all-star. If they had an all-star season prior

to 40, Devin would have been there. And so if we're doing a second chances for a lot of players, and I think a lot of people wanted that, okay? We talked about the ones where this is their last chance to play Survivor. But let's talk about the people who this could have been their second chance to give us a show. I think Devin Pinto is in that mold. Okay.

All right. I'm starting there, and I'm going to work my way up. And then I'm going back. I'm going back for the other second chances, okay? So stick with me here. So we have Devin Pinto from HHH, another person that we have from Survivor Ghost Island, as close as you can get to winning Survivor. The man got there.

Just Laurel just likes Wendell better. Mm hmm. What did Damabate? Yeah, but that's a social game. But yeah, Damab a is a big snub I mean when you bring especially when you bring back Chrissy and Rick and Christian and Angelina like Dom was supposed to be there with them Like if you were going to do an all-star season and right the wrongs of the people that should have played again

From the 30s like he's right there with them Mm-hmm. And yet, not on this cast. And that's why this cast doesn't make sense, because again, I just told you all the people who should have been in that first cast. Mm-hmm. That's cool. But now if you're talking about second chances, Dom Bautista should have got a second chance.

You know, whether you loved him or hated him as a character, the proof is in the pudding. He goes all the way to the end. He loses in the closest survivor, the closest thing we've ever had in survivor, which is literally a time. Yeah. Overtime. And he was a big character.

He found advantages. He did interesting things. You couldn't fit Dom Bautista into survivor 50. You want somebody who's going to play hard. That's going to be Dom Bautista. That's the guy. Yeah. That is the guy. So that's, I started with Dom Babbate. Now let's move to the edge of extinction.

Okay. Cause this is a season that don't get a lot of love, but I wouldn't, I won't ignore this person because I saw people on the internet saying it. And thank you again to Survivor Fact Checker. Survivor Fact Checker posted a poll about who were the 75 most snubbed survivor players from this list. Now, obviously, we cannot do a cast of 75. But I went in and I looked at some of the people that were on the list and I was like, okay, if the people wanted him, let's talk about it. The people wanted Victoria Bumande. They thought that of all the players in Survivor, Edge of Extinction,

she was one of the shining stars. She goes out at the very end, so she's not like one of the people on the edge the whole time. She's very much screwed over by the Edge of Extinction twist in a way. She does this weird thing where she doesn't vote for Gavin, which I think is crazy. It's amazing, too. And I love it. But nobody, nobody had that dead end call Victoria. I don't think she's that big of a personality. But I really do think that like, if you're going for second chances, I think she deserves a second shot. Yeah, she'd be like a good winner pick of like, okay, she's here.

I don't think anybody's worried about her. Watch out. She's very slippery. And so I think that she could have been somebody who really did some damage. I think that she has just like a cutthroat streak that people don't realize. And word on the street is that she didn't even get a call. You couldn't even tap in.

That's what I'm like, you didn't wanna get these people a second chance, you really didn't want to. Because where is Davey? Rob. Yeah, I would have been ready for this. Where's Davey? Yeah, it's a good question. Where is Davey? Where is Davey? Rob? Yeah, I would have been ready for this. Where is Davey? Yeah, that's a good question. Where is Davey? Where is Davey?

Where is my king? Where is Davey? Davey has Sia giving him money. Jeff brought Davey out on stage like he was Saree. What are we doing? Davey's biggest problem is that he was on a season with Christian and Angelina and Mike. I think that it was, I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season.

I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. I think it was a good season. is that he was on a season with Christian and Angelina and Mike. I think that it was to bring back four people from the one season. What is this survivor 48? You know what I mean? Right. But look, he's his biggest issue is that he was on a season with Mike white. Mike white shouldn't have that spot. David should have that spot. But Mike, if Mike white calls

and says he wants to play survivor, you let Mike White play survivor. Davey should have had that third spot. Davey was the CFAN favorite people. Davey isn't, he's a blurred. It's not an archetype. We get a lot. We don't have the BIPOC representation that we even need. This solves one of your problems. Yeah. Davey really was a victim of the success of the white lotus. Yeah. Yeah. Mike might better like give him like a leading role in season four. It's starring Davey starring Davey Rickenbecker. You know what I'm saying? Like that, it doesn't make sense. You can like people, you can have your face. The entire cast of David vs. Goliath stands like two people is amazing. But Davey

was a standout in that season, a star, you know? So it's like, no, boo boo boo, tomato, tomato, tomato, Davey should be here. Sorry, not sorry. Okay. They played in his face. That part sure did. I don't know if the idols is a season people don't talk about a lot. Yeah. and people don't talk about a lot. But I don't stand by this. Lauren Ashley Beck, queen, this lady played her ass off. What happened? Yeah, I don't know what happened. That I think that it could be the Survivor 39,

just a halo effect of everything over season 39. I don't think anybody, yeah, nobody's ever come back from season 39. I don't think anybody, yeah, nobody's ever come back from season 39. And, but she was talked about as like a, like sure fire, like write it down, all star, probably not in that tier of like Christian and, you know, Rick and Chrissy and Dom. But then it was like right under that. And then I think there's, it's not just her from season 39,

but she was one of the leading people of that. I feel like that's been her story ever since she played was that like, okay, she's going to play again and she's going to be really good. And she's so famous now. Lauren has gone and made a name for herself in the media. We're in, so she's kind of like in that Kelly Wentworth mode. She's more like between Kelly Wentworth and Andrea, right?

Where it's like, she's famous, but like she's famous for Survivor and she's taken Survivor and made it like more of a thing online, social media. What are we doing? I know she got a call. Somebody DM Lauren Ashley Beck and say, Chappelle wants to know if you got a call for Survivor 50.

I just need to know if they made the contact. Cause this is ridiculous. I have so many. Yeah. Also my queen. I love Lauren Ashley Bagg but I mean Karishma, she Karishma come on now come on now let's talk about it. My girl let's look we need the representation. There are barely any Asian people on this cast. Uh, I believe there's one. Uh, and I just feel like it... Karishma was good TV. She played hard. She had an incredible idol play.

She gave us... She gave us emotions. She cried. We laughed with her. We cried with her. Karishma's a great character. Deserves a second chance. Does she want to go back? Man, yes. Karisma's a gamer. Are you sure? She always, yeah, yeah, I am.

She a gamer. Every time I look up, she playing some online version of Survivor and stuff like that. Karisma got off the couch once, she'll get off the couch again. I mean, she just had a baby in, I think, the beginning of November, end of October. So that baby about grown now.

It's been like, what, eight months? It can, it can talk. It can make sounds and she can go. Look, survivor is 26 days, right? Yes. 26. She'll be back. The baby won't even know.

Oh God. Also on survivor fact checkers list, Janet Carbon. People at the time were like, Janet's game really took a hit based on someone else's actions. For her standing up for what was right, she really kind of got punished for that. And so for that, I'm pretty sure that's why people

are saying that they would like to see Janet back. And she really wanted to go back. Yeah, I wonder if she got a call. Again, personally, I would rather have Karishma, but at the same time, like, I understand why you would have Janet. I do. So, it makes sense. And, like Penner was saying, what y'all got against the older people? Janet can hold it down at her age. What y'all doing? She's not that old. Stop playing her. Stop playing her face.

Yeah. She can do it. Okay. So, let's go back back since we're talking about old people. Rob, I want to talk about somebody who you would have liked to see on Survivor. Survivor fact checker echoes this as well. The people voted and they said, where is Greg Buiss from Survivor Borneo? Rob, do you think they really looked at all the seasons and said, Borneo, did they call Greg? What are you thinking? I suspect that they call them. But Greg has always been, you know, sort of a interesting

quirky guy. I feel like that maybe playing survivor in the new era is not a big priority for Greg. I would not... Greg doesn't really even like old survivor. I would not bank on him being a hard game player if that's what Jeff is looking for. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. I mean, Greg is someone who his story is so interesting because he is somebody who got so much fame out of the first survivor. He has largely avoided the public eye of the publicity, the money, the fame, all he's rejected it, all of it. Why 25 years later, what does he step into that arena unless there is some kind of like handsome appearance fee? And I suspect he doesn't have like incredible

financial needs. I feel like I wouldn't be surprised if he's like living like van life somewhere or completely off the grid. So what's in it for Greg? I don't know, but according to Survivor Fact Checker, people were clamoring for the Greg. They heard celebration of the 50 seasons. He needs to clamor for something. Yeah, we can't want it more than he does. But again, we're going back and we're looking at people who should have maybe got a second chance. And I'm talking about the people that

Survivor Fact Checker said they voted for, right? And I know who the RHFP people vote We're going back and we're looking at people who should have maybe got a second chance and I'm talking about the people that survivor fact Checkers if they voted for right? And I know who the orange have people vote for and those things have now aligned Rob We talked about this woman a lot you talked to her all the time. She goes back and talks to other survivor players She's well connected. She's a ray of sunshine Teresa T bird did T bird get a call Rob? Do you know? She told me she didn't. What are we doing? What are we doing? We're trying to get these people, this is their last shot.

Rob, they never coming back to the pre-50 era. Yeah. We don't need T-Bird to play one more time. I don't know if they're never coming back to the pre-50 era, but I don't know if they're ever coming back to the pre-20 era. Are they coming back to the pre 50 era, but I don't know if they're ever coming back to the pre 20 era What we doing what we doing this your last chance you can come back and get them people Mm-hmm. Go get the people stop playing in their face. You could have got T bird all I'm saying A couple other people on this list that survivor fact-checker pointed out Nalias on this list Shane powers is on this list, but I want to talk about somebody who everybody was mad to see was not on the cast.

Sean Rector. Yeah. Sean Rector would not fall in our Faces of Survivor list that I talked about earlier. He didn't play 65 days or anything like that. He wasn't on multiple seasons, but you want to talk about people who were denied a second chance and it's just never quite worked out for them to come back. You can't tell me in 55, you're going to go back and get Sean Rector. So this is essentially his last shot. Yeah. It's also one of these things that like Amanda Kimmel, it was just teased that Sean

Rector is in the mix. The people are, they are talking to Sean Rector and it was out there. And I think they were talking to Sean Rector. I believe that it was true, but for whatever reason, it did not work out. Yeah. What's that about? I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that.

Again, we don't get the behind the scenes conversations. So it's still a snub in my eyes. I don't care if Sean Rector said, I don't want to do it. It's still a snub. You shouldn't have told me there was going to be... You should have told... Y'all should have released the press for the release and said, we've reached out to Sean Rector. He has declined because now we're going to be saying, where the hell is Sean Rector?

Okay? Yeah, this is tough. I thought Boston Robb made the call. I thought Boston Robb was like, I got you. Hey, put Sean on. Yeah, exactly. I thought he had the pool. You know, I thought boss Rob was like, Hey, push on. Yeah, exactly. You don't think I thought he had to pull. Yeah. So yeah. Unfortunately, like that would have been fun if we would have got him on there. I think that that would have been pretty epic.

You know, I skipped over Eric Reichenbach earlier because I don't know if Eric Reichenbach wants to do survivor again, but don't you think he's like one of the faces? Don't you think he's one of the faces of Survivor? Like his moment his moment I won't be surprised if him giving away the necklace ends up being the number one Moment in the poll that we're gonna have coming up the top 25 moments. I don't know the results I wouldn't be surprised if that's the number one Moment so he is iconic for that.

Yeah. They didn't call him. But from his season. Would you have wanted to see Eric Reichenbach on 50? I like Eric. I like, uh. I think the issue was that he just sort of like hit the wall on Survivor Camo, but he would be, maybe a 26 day game, he'd be fine.

Maybe it'd be faster. He's learned so much more than he, you know, than he did the first time he played. I mean, Eric was really close to winning Survivor the first time he played. Um, he wasn't far from it the second time he played. Uh, and so it was like, yeah, let him play for 50. He's a super fan. He kind of is that, in that mode of like, Survivor 50 is for people like him. Um, so from that same season though, Rob, a person that people have been clamoring

for, for since Steve lost with Eric's jugular, Natalie Bolton. People were hoping we would finally get our return of Natalie Bolton for her second go-round, her second chance, Asian-American representation, LGBTQ representation, a badass confessional person, somebody people been clamoring for. Rob, they didn't call Natalie. It sounded like they did, and it sounded like she was in there at the last minute,

and I don't know why, it didn't happen. I mean, that was somebody where there was like a week where it was like, okay, everybody bad news, Amanda's out, but I think Natalie is in. And then at the last second it's like well actually Aubrey And Aubrey calling getting called as an alternate to Amanda is okay like I'm fine, but like that's why I was like What's coming? What was you doing girl? What Kelly and Natalie? You know like I have questions and so Natalie Bolton is definitely one I saw survivor fact-checker

Approves that this is one that the fans wanted to see Another one that I don't think she was never going to come back, Taj, Jonathan, George from Token Chains. I don't think that was going to happen. I don't think Taj wants to play. Yeah, I don't think so. We did talk to T-Bird with her. Taj, I think is like, I'm good. She surprised Survivor still on TV. She was like, what? People still doing that? She didn't even know what Survivor was when she got there. She was like, I thought we was going to a hotel and we never got to one.

Yeah. But I love Taj. Hayden Moss is on my list of second-chanters. Oh, interesting. You know, well, he's an asterisk. You know, Hayden played hard, but he only got one shot if there was an All-Star season between now and then, where was Hayden. So maybe that.

I've already mentioned Bryce. Reed Kelly is another one from San Wondell sir. Josh. I mean, Josh, Jeff hates San Wondell sir. So he was never going back to go get read. But a lot of people have come back from survivor San Wondell sir. And he hates them. He hates that season. He posted his list. Wentworth. He doesn't like the season. He doesn't like the season. He doesn't like the season. He doesn't like the season. Keith Nail? Yeah, Keith Nail. Okay. Also, I saw a clip today that said,

remember when Jeff said Carolyn Rivera was coming back for Survivor? They're like, oh yeah, after Worlds Apart. She will be back. Mama C was voted on by the people, by the fans on the Survivor fact checker Instagram account. And yet, no Mama C. She too old for Survivor. They don't like her no more. Maybe they just threw out all the Carolins. They just deleted all the Carolyn files. Delete, delete, delete.

They didn't know which Carolyn it was, so they all went. Shout out to Caroline. She might have got taken out in that. I mean, she was in the second chance voting. Yeah. And yet the fans, I guess, I guess it was, it was in our hands and we, and we dropped the ball on Carolyn this time. Um, Ooh, Rob, one of my big snubs from survivor Co wrong. The person that this is the reason why I was all in on these people coming back for a second chance. Sydney.

Where is Sydney? Yeah, I have no idea if Sydney got contacted or what. I mean, I know that Sydney is a bodybuilder. I know she takes her physique very seriously. I think she retired. She retired? Yeah, I feel like that I thought I saw smoke that she was in the mix, but Redmond is saying that she got cut.

What? And now like she used to before the competition. But why did they come see me? You know, like Rob, we again, we're missing the representation. Here are the people. This is why I'm calling them snubs because they can fit into these categories, Rob. They can make this make sense. It don't make sense I don't know

Maybe they felt like and I have no idea has Sydney watched an episode of Survivor since she played don't matter Kobe has it. Mm-hmm And it was in the game was closer to what city played than it was for Kobe So I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that They redmond saying they call Julia. So Kalowski. Y'all just call her everybody. Then y'all should have called Sydney. Hell, y'all should have called. Y'all, other people y'all should have called. It sounds like they did call her. We've talked about some people they didn't call and I have questions. So, yeah, Sydney should have been on there. And again,

now we're in it. And we're back in that era where they just kind of like are glazing over these people. They didn't really want to get them. You know, Survivor Fact Checker says Jay Starr is another one that people wanted to see. Yeah, I kind of feel like that the clamoring for Jay was much more intense earlier and then he's played on the challenge so much. I don't know if maybe people are like, okay, now we've seen it, but I'm surprised that he ultimately never plays again. I think that coming out of David versus, I'm sorry, Millennials versus Gen X, I think that people out of David versus, I'm sorry, Millennials versus Gen X, I think that people wanted to see David Wright play again and we got that, but I think that he was probably a very close number too.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe people who like got their thirst for him quenched because of the challenge, you know, he's in on another show so they've got to watch him, so maybe. But again, I'm going off of what the survivor fact-checker has on here as they're as the people voted This is the fans the same hands Okay from the fans and so they sound like they would have liked to see him play again And I would have been cool with that. He played hard that man played hard He was a very exciting player as a younger person. It's been What almost ten years since he played. So it would have been,

I think, interesting to see him as a little bit more of an adult because he started the game and he was a millennial. Now he's Gen X. So now we'll see what he's like as a Gen X. Yeah. Yeah. But that's Survivor fact checkers list of second chances. So what do you think about that? As like of those people, do you think we could have slotted them in and made a cast for like Survivor 50? If we had a bunch of those people on and said, so it's Survivor 50 and Survivor Second Chance 2, would you be okay with those people?

Yeah, I think a lot of those people would have been good. I had said way back in the fall that I would be very fine if Survivor 50 ended up being some kind of like okay no winners it's all second chances these are all people that we are going to bring back one-time players we never got to bring back as a celebration of the show I think that that would have been fine is the theme of the show ultimately that's not what they did no no we actually went no winners for anybody preseason 40 and so there are a bunch of winners. Pre-season 45.

Yeah, pre-season, yeah. In the old era, none of the winners are there. So Vasepia doesn't get her second chance. Tina Weston doesn't get her second chance. Well, I'm gonna have her 15th chance. Listen, Tina got a call. Is that true? Because Tina should have got a call for winners of war.

I mean, I'm not on top of that. I don't know if they called Tina or not. Let Tina play. I do know that they called some other old era winners late in the game. Yeah, Earl, Todd, where y'all at? You know what I'm saying? Like, we're just not going to give my people. I don't know if those were the ones they called.

Damn. Who they call? Who you think? Like, educated guys. Hard to say. So, Bob Crowley? I don't think it was Bob. You don't think it was Fabio?

I doubt they called Fabio. Doubt is, okay, doubt is strong. Jenna Maraska, what you think? I would be very surprised if they called Jenna. See, that's what I'm saying. They played in our face. Played in our face. But yeah, so those are the second chance snobs per the Survivor fact checker and the hands

of the fans. So all of that, that makes up two separate scenarios. We could have done Faces of the Gang, Season 50, we could have done Second Chances Season 50, and I came up with a lot of snubs. Okay, we could have filled this bad boy up, but we're not done because we haven't even talked about the new era. Yep. Are you ready? Or do you have anybody that we probably is there anybody that we left? So we've mentioned I think everybody It did I make a decent case for each of those people or is it just like just saying names at some point?

I think that some people there was a little bit more of a case and some people were just saying names Yeah, whose name I just said I just like kind of like slid like Brian Corden in there just like, I'm Brian Corden, people want to know. Like I would have liked to see you. I'm sure there was a couple people that we didn't spend that much time on, but it's fine. I mean, if I wanted to get into my list, I have dreams on this list. Okay. I got, my list is cracked. Okay. My list is like, okay, go get y', man. See what he's doing. That's my list. That's why I'm not posting my list everywhere. Is he okay?

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So let's talk about the new era. So the new era, they have this random ass criteria that we're going to let winners play. Okay, we're going to let winners play. So now we have to talk about the winner snubs first. I want to start there because you told me winners couldn't play. I had in my mind, Survivor said winners couldn't play. I don't know where that rumor came from. No winners.

That's what I thought. We made it up. I thought we all agreed that there would be no winners playing. You know where I'm going. Where's Mary Ann? Where's Mary Ann? What's going down? Where's Mary Ann?

What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? One of the best winners. Yeah, one of the best one. I'm talking about entertaining winners winners I'm not saying like boring. Oh like we are staying loyal a game. Okay. Yeah, I love Maryann I think that she is So representative of the new era like when I think of like if I was gonna like Encapsulate like the new era in one person, I think it's Mary Ann, like this bright ball of positivity who's like a fierce gamer who would like cut her best friend.

That is Mary Ann and it would have been wonderful to see her play again. Right. And I know she in med school, but it's summertime. She would have, she could have took two weeks in summertime. She would have. Yeah. And she would have. Where is husband Mary Ann? This would help with our BIPOC thing. Just saying. Since we're talking about Winner Still, my boy Jam Jam. Rob, Jam Jam is a constellation. You know, this man is personality and he won Survivor, and he's, and he's, like, a different representation.

He's Puerto Rican. What's up? We couldn't get Jam Jam on this season? They couldn't fit him in. Couldn't fit him in? I just don't believe that. I just don't believe that. You couldn't kick off Joe for Jam... Like, maybe they're not even the same. You couldn't kick off one of the 18 people from season 48

for Jam Jam? I think, I think Kyle could've sat this one out and people from season 48 for Jam Jam. I think Kyle could have sat this one out and we could have brought in Jam Jam. Yeah. Huh. I just, it doesn't make sense to me, but fine. Yeah, I do think that in terms of just to swap out Kyle for Jam Jam, that I do feel like that Jam Jam is a much more popular character and fixture in character in the Survivor universe.

Jam Jam has a card in the Survivor trading card game. You see it? You see the vision? You see it? It's right there. And then also, this is an awful spot for Kyle to come in. People are talking about it, but he got two of his allies, but also two very public allies, you know, that like everybody knows about

that we just watched him play. Like I'm thinking, Kyle, you should probably set this one out for a while until you could just like, you know, come back, you know, and like kind of get this, the winner funk off you, you know? I think you want to come back with a lower profile. It's been a few years for Jam Jam, and I don't know if Jam Jam has looked at like a big threat.

I think he would have come back in a good spot. Yeah. He's such a social butterfly. I think that he would have really fit in well with whoever they had there with him. Okay. Now, Jeff Probst hosts a podcast called On Fire with Jeff Probst. Yes. On there, we have plenty of the people from this Survivor season, season 50. They're coming back,

right? Yes. We got Charlie, we got D, we got Rick Devens. Yeah. Was Rachel busy? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What's going on here? Where is Rachel? Rachel couldn't get the car? At least tell me if you were on on fire, that's like, yo, that's like the nod and a wink that you go. All right, we got you for a survivor 50 She didn't even get a call Redmond said She didn't get a call Just done us dirty What are we gonna do what are we doing 47 was a stop credible season it was so fun 47 was hilarious

Yeah, yeah a lot of strategy. Again, you get some BIPOC representation in there. You could have called Rachel. I think she counts as a snub. All right. Now, one of the cries here I noticed in the Newark era is that they didn't pick nobody who was pre-Merge, okay? If you didn't make it to the Merge, you weren't called because I was definitely asking- Well, I think they wanted everybody to at least play double digit days that came back for Survivor 50. And it shows because they didn't pick Say. Say played double digits.

Rob, where's Say? Yeah, no, Say would have been, I think, a worthy addition to the cast, because I think she would have brought some excitement. addition to the cast because I think she would have brought some excitement. She dominated the confessional count, broke records in the time that she was on Survivor, and it was on 48, which just happened. So y'all, so I know y'all know it happened. Y'all didn't forget. You couldn't have forgot about Say. These Survivors were going to act like they forgot about Say. Right? Why would you act like you forgot about say It just happened it happened yesterday. Let's say play

Yeah, I Don't know. I don't know what we're doing. So there are winners that got snubbed their confessional stars that got stuff, but Rob They completely snubbed season 41. They said we don't need season 41 What did you think about that when you saw that the new era was represented, but it didn't start in the 41? I mean, where's the survivor 41 was not the first thought that I had when I looked at the cast, but there's definitely some people from survivor 41. So I know a lot of people were looking for Shan. Shan should have been there. Now, Survivor can say, we don't like Shan.

That's fine. Y'all didn't like Johnny Fair play, but y'all let him play twice. Y'all let the Han's family do whatever they want on Survivor for decades. I just feel like you could have got Shan back, Shannon Ricard back, Dr. Evy Jagoda. I feel like Survivor 41 for its flaws had some characters. Ricard was representing people who had hearing loss. We got the cool thing where they did the cutaway where they like they cut the sound out. So you can see Ricard like reading their lips.

Do you remember that? I remember. They were doing cool. The editing and stuff was cool. Ricard and Shan. Shan had an anthem. It was called the Shantham. Who Among Us has a theme song. Jeff forcing them to sing about chicken and waffles and

Shan walking around with her own song. Yeah. How come, yeah, when Shaheen does it, it's cool. Right. But when Shan does it, it's a problem. It was the Shantham for a reason. Bring back Shan. Yeah. I don't know if she was in the mix. I don't think she was in the mix. I don't think she was in the mix. All right. 42. We already talked about Maryann. She's my big snub from 42, but I saw other people talking about maybe like Lindsay or Mike Turner. But I feel like if you bring back Joe, you don't have to bring back Mike Turner. So maybe bring back Mike Turner and leave Joe off because he just played. And then... No one else. That's it.

That's it. Nope. Nobody else. No one to speak of. Nobody? 42? Yeah. Hmm. High? No, that's 40. Yeah. That is 42. Okay. Romeo?

42. Yep. Okay. No. Okay. No. Oh No, Tory Roxroy, I mean all these people just ohm Some good ones. Oh my god. I don't know. I think that's No, Rob, seriously where they play in omer's face rob This man didn't have he didn't even have a vote Seriously, where they play in Omar's face Rob, this man didn't have, he didn't even have a vote. And he ran with the merged vote, like, like he, boy,

he ran it like it was the Navy. He was winking at the camera, all kinds of stuff. That man was having the time of his life, didn't even have a vote. Omar is representation, Omar is chaotic. Omar is a good survivor player. What are we doing, man? Y'all look, Omar is here, nah, we good.

We want Jonathan. And no, Maryann. Snubs, these are called snubs. Doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense. There's no, I can't even think of a reason why you wouldn't have Omer. I mean, he has those disgusting chicken legs, but aside from that, he's a survivor player. This is what you want.

It makes sense to me. I don't even like this man. And even I gotta just, even I gotta pay homage. I had to bend the knee. This man is crazy. Omer is good Yeah, he's good. That's what good I don't know. I don't know. Omer is great. Omer's incredible. He should have been on this cast He is one of the most unforgivable snubs. We talked about a few of them, but this one is going to be a lot um 43

I personally think people don't rate 43 high enough Uh, I think that like aside from the ending, I think for the most part, it's pretty, they're playing hard in 43. Like I think you can make an argument for a bunch of them being snubs. But the biggest snub is Jesse. Jesse again, we get our representation, we get a hard game player. We got like cool editing segments with Jesse. He stole Dwight's idol, even though that was his island husband and left him for dead.

Like, you know what I'm saying? They just really can't make a strong argument for why Jesse isn't on this cast. I just don't understand it. I don't even know what the explanation is of why he's not there And the time that we heard jussie was out it sounded like oh They're only gonna bring back a couple of people from the new era and we said no But they put back 12 people from the new era Yeah, but nine from like last year, you know, that's that's the problem to me

It's like yeah, we only bring back a few people. I mean, I hope that we get an explanation at some point of like But why but why not Jesse like uh, well we felt like you know, his story was told or I don't say Even if for some reason you could squint and make a point for Jesse not being on this cast what you cannot The people who were in that final like seven seven or eight players, they play hard. They really did. I'm talking about Owen and Cassidy and Cody. Cody had some big moments. Carla had some big moments.

It's not adding up. You're telling me you wanted a survivor 50, but you're not telling me you want a survivor 50. That's how I'm feeling. Yeah. Season 44. We talked about Jam Jam already. If you wanted to, I'll be, obviously one of the big snubs.

We talked about how the Carolyn, the Carolyn, Caroline file got deleted. Carolyn was a big character. She then went on and became a bigger character on the Traders. Then they called her. After we were, we were told, we were, again, told as if they told us. But it was out there in the streets that if you did another one of these game shows like The Challenge, like The Traders or whatever, you're taking yourself out the mix.

So she went and did The Traders You're taking yourself out the mix. So she went and did the traders and then she got the call. That's crazy. That's crazy. She's not even supposed to be in the mix. She's back. She wasn't supposed to get the call and then they cut her. Why did y'all call that lady?

You just left her alone. I don't know. I personally, again, is it, is she on my survivor 50 snubs list no, but if she on the survivor 50 snubs list yes yes. What do you mean she's on your list? From survivor 44 I like like I was like a jam jam guy I definitely love like Franny like she's like in my like my top 10 characters from there for me personally. She's in your top 10 from survivor 44.

Yeah she's in my top. She's in the up the jury phase. She's like top five, six, you know what I'm saying? Like give me Franny, give me, give me Heidi, you know? But like for a survivor, especially after making the big splash that she did on the traders, like you cannot deny the impact. She'll go do Dondi next year and it'll be like, man, if you liked her on Dandy, you should go watch Survivor, where she came from. She could be an ambassador to other shows and yet here we are not utilizing this woman's power.

I think she'd be a wonderful addition to Dandy. Yeah, well, I mean, we got to wait to see because you know clearly they're not gonna let a player survive it. 45. I think Emily Philippen was a good call. Obviously they picked Dee, who is my favorite player from 45. Well, one of my favorite players from 45 outstaged. I personally bring me Bruce any day that you can get Bruce.

If you can get Bruce on the phone, give me Bruce. But Caleb, when the shot in the dark happened, people thought like, oh, this validates these big ass twisted survivors created. It validates the shot in the dark because we got the moment where it hits, we lose J Maya and I was sad. But Caleb saved himself and it hits, we lose J. Maya, and I was sad, but like Caleb saved himself, and it was such a big moment. We were there in person. We watched it happen, Rob. It was together. It was one of the best survivor moments of my life. And we figured if anybody was going to come back from 45, it's obviously Caleb. He did seem like him and Emily were sort of like

the no-brainer returnees from Survivor 45, but that's not how Survivor saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently not. You know? And there were other great people from Survivor that we could have seen coming back. People were talking about Jake O'Kane in the chat.

I think Kelly Nalbandian is another one where people were like, oh, well, she'll clearly be back. She was such like a centerpiece in that Survivor castbandian is another one where people were like, oh, well, she'll clearly be back. She was such like a centerpiece in that Survivor cast that when she got cut, people were like, oh, Kelly's coming back. To me, it was never a question whether Kelly was coming back. And now she's not back. Yep. Moving on.

Survivor 46. I mean, you got too many people from 46. What are we doing? Too many people already. You need Q and Tiffany. Yup. Q and Tiffany and Charlie. We need all three of them.

What are they? David versus Goliath? I think that's what they are. Y'all think y'all giving David versus Goliath? But like, but there were still people who you could have said, okay. Yeah. Like Venus, you know, I thought that old lady Maria, uh, Eva's words, not mine. Um, you know, so there are a couple people, I wouldn't say 46 is snubbed from

anybody because they have too many people anyway. Okay. Fair. 47. Yeah, yeah, like 46, we should be dropping people for 46. Uh, 47, Rachel, we talked about, uh, Genevieve was a huge character. I think, I think if we're not bringing back Asia, I think, I think 47 is fine. I don't think we need anybody else from 47, but there were a lot of big names there too. Okay. And then that's it. That's it. Those are all the people who could have possibly been snubbed.

No, not even the baby. No, I'm joking. Baby Andy got snubbed and cut from 47. You've told us so many people. Like, could you have like five or 10 that are the in your mind snubs? Well, it's the thing is, is like, if you bring them in, the cast is still flopped because it's not cohesive, which is why I landed on so many options. Because again, if I brought in 10 people from the new era, it's still coach and Stephanie LaGrosse versus 20 people from the new era. It does not compute. You have to find a theme for this to make sense, or you have to say, okay, well, here's the thing that we're doing

and we're applying that rule across the board. Obviously winners were involved in the new era, but weren't involved in the old era. If you tell me winners can be there, then I'm like, boom, that changes my list because now I'm going back and I'm getting Vicepio. Why not? He's an Earl, you know, why not? So no, I can't, I can't just give you a list of 10 people who could go into this spot because they didn't give us anything to work with. They just picked random, they made this shit up. Yeah. Should they have let the fans vote on the theme? Instead of lying and saying it was in our hands?

Yeah, absolutely. Why would you tell us it was in the hands of the fans if it wasn't in the hands of the fans? I mean, yeah. What if they like had people vote like in like all through the fall, like vote. We're not going to let you vote on the players, but vote. You can vote on the theme. Do you want it to be all second chances?

Do you want it to be, you know, the returning legends? Do you want it to be, you know, I've already did winners at war, you know, but like, even if you told me it was going to be new era versus new era. Yeah. If you told me you were never adding the old era again, if you you told me it was gonna be new era all-stars. Old era versus new era, yeah. If you told me you were never adding the old era again, if you were upfront about it and said, the old era is not gonna be evolved, this is new era all-stars, I'd be like, bet, cool. It's a new era, fine.

And then we could go in and be like, okay, these are the people who are missing, but you didn't even do that. So you're right, we should have voted on whether it'd be Second Chance or whether it'd be one last rip, I love that, survivor, one last rip. And then, or like new era all-Stars, Fans vs. Favorites, Old vs. New, something. This is just the things. So that's my snubs list, Rob. 85,000 people.

Alright, Chappelle did a ton of research, an extensive snubs list for you here today. Of course, check out the draft that we had going on from last night to see how it all shook out of 21 picks drafted and then got plenty of else. Survivor 50 coverage coming up here on RHAP. We're working on some other fun things including the top 25 moments of all time. I will join Mike Bloom on Wednesday to count down the top 25 survivor moments of all time. That sounds like fun. And like you said, I'm sure Eric Reichenbach is going to be on there

somewhere. And that's a five part series by the way. So we are going to be counting down on this Wednesday moment 25 to 21 so be on the lookout for that and then also coming in June RHAP will have previews of all of these survivor 50 players that we are working on a Very interesting way that we are going to be doing that so stay tuned for that later on this month She felt what else is coming up for you?

Robert, just hit me. Yes? Yes, it's not going to hurt me, but just hit me. Yeah, we could even do something like people who were twist screwed or swap screwed, because of their, you know, people who made the final tribal council, they had unlimited resources.

Yep, unlimited time and unlimited resources. They knew 50 was coming. Three seasons ago, they knew 50 was coming. You know, they probably knew 50 was coming when we hit 45. So why is this what we landed on? Why? I don't know. Anyway.

Give a letter of grade for the cast. The cast? Yeah. The people, okay. The people, A+, they're all great. They're all playing Survivor. They don't do anything. Right. A+, they're great. The cast? Better than Game Changers? Less than everything else? You know, like, you know, at least Game Changers tried to lie and say like oh look Haley Ford She changed the game like at least they tried they lied to us like don't you know?

God dang now they just like no, this is a celebration So yeah somewhere in the game changers realm or like but put a letter grade on it a big old C See I feel like maybe I could like be warmed up to like a C plus But like maybe it could have been an A you could have you could have done You could this could be a three-tribe format where you have like old legends. Yeah, swaps twist screwed new era, you know Yeah, but and that would help but this is nothing. Yeah It's not an F. It's not like a failing grade It's not an F. It's not like a failing grade, but it's just like, it's a little bit more mid than any of us like thought it was going to be.

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