RHAP: We Know Survivor - Club Condo Survivor 47 Finale

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

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with my co-host for Club Condo, Chappelle. Chappelle, how are you? Hey, Rob. I am good. I am sad. I'm happy. I'm all the things

because Survivor 47 is over. And, you know, things things happened we had a great season we have a great winner we have a great cast of people that we talked about and we got a great preview for season 48 and so there's more survivor to come it's like it's it's it's over i'm sad that it's over but i'm happy that more survivors. Well, and more Survivor is coming. Like, that happened. But let's move on. Yeah. Okay. Well, two months to go until Survivor 48 drops.

But it was just this past Wednesday night. It feels like it was like a month ago. Yeah. This has been ridiculous. So Wednesday, we had our two-hour finale. I think the reason why it feels like it was so long ago is because we all pronounced Rachel the winner last week in the first part of the two-part finale. And so this was more like the coronation or part two or the after party even for Rachel's win, which we all saw coming a mile away at this point. And then, yeah, so much, so much, so much discourse about Rachel, her win, the season.

Everything has just been jam-packed into these last few days right in time for the holidays i think we were fed we were fed for sure and you know look it's the holidays everybody's gonna eat i feel like this is like our club condo holiday party so we want to hear from the chat also if you have questions you with things you want us to address as we take one last look back at survivor 47 and a lot of the fun that we had she felt last night i got together with dama bate dama bate said hey uh if rachel wins i'm gonna go on rjp to talk about why i think she played maybe the greatest game ever and we talked about it you did and what was your takeaway from that because i did listen yeah yeah i think that uh dom was very excited for his friend in the moment

yeah he came in hot he came in hot on twitter right on twitter on blue sky he's like and i'll debate anybody line them up tell them what tell them i'm outside you know it's all it's up rjp come see me i'm gonna be there he had a whole wrestling promo we're like shaking in our boots like oh my god doma bonte is coming and then he burst into the podcast he's like sorry watch the season yeah look who among us has it in the light of day comes to say like, well, okay, maybe I was a little excited. I've heard some very hyperbolic statements about Survivor over the years. We'll see a player be the greatest player of all time today and then gone tomorrow and then nobody's talking about them. It's happened.

We've seen people be like, this person had all this untapped potential. She's going places. If she ever plays again, and people are like, no, no pre-merger could ever do that. Not even some lady named Kelly Wentworth. And they were like, wait, oh my God, did it happen? So crazier things have happened, but I love that he came in kind of like,

all right, I've sobered up a little bit. Because Rob, I have been there. Do you remember? Way back at the beginning of this season. It was years ago. But oh my God, the stress Asia had me going through for the first three episodes where I was just like,

everything she could do was right. Everything everybody else did toward her was wrong. I stand by it. But it was just like, I felt so much emotion about her playing the game that I could only imagine what it would be like to watch somebody that you know go out and play and then also win the game too and especially when you're not seeing a lot of flaws in their game as far as the execution goes so I thought Dominic was making

a few very very valid points and I would love to address some of them oh you want to address the the Domovate podcast feel free I do yeah I do. So one of the things about Dom's statement was that to me, it felt like he was showing that Rachel had all the tools to be one of the best Survivor players ever based on her actions

in the game. Sure, you do not always have control of your destiny in Survivor. I think that an interesting conversation I've been kind of having with myself

and like as I read the discourse online is that I think people always look at Survivor as you did something wrong, thus you lost. No disrespect to David Bloomberg, but it's kind of like, if you hadn't done this,

you would have won the game. And in reality, there are times where there are just things out of your control that you cannot control and you are put in a position and you have to play out of that position regardless. There's nothing you could have done differently. If everybody plays Survivor optimally,

it's still not going to be an even chance across the board that everybody has the same chance to win. There are different biases. There are different identities that are going to do better naturally. And then there's different perceived biases as well. So if Rachel comes in and people are like, she's smart and then she does good at a puzzle. And then someone's like, oh, and she stole the rice.

It's like, oh, look, she's crafty. Oh, the shot in the dark thing is crafty. This thing is crafty. I think Rachel had the craftiest win that I've seen in a while. She was always looking for loopholes and stuff. But I think from her position, she was always maximizing

her opportunities to win. And I don't have any issue with that. Even down to in this episode where Rachel pulls Teenie to the side. Like, Teenie, I I gotta make sure you win the fire here so I'm gonna teach you we've seen that in Survivor before and it's like that's what that's what winners do they go and look at the board and they try to determine okay here's my spot now how do I make the best of it and sometimes you have to win immunity but other times you can

do other things to increase your chance of winning and Dom couldn't find a lot of the spots where Rachel bobbed when she should have weaved right right? We're seeing Rachel at the bottom of the tribe because she got blindsided, but Annika got blindsided. Rachel was a part of the blind side. You know, she got blindsided as well as proxy of that, but Rachel didn't go home there. You know, there was, she could have been in danger there, but it's like, it's not to say that she made a mistake. It's that Andy connected with Sam and you know that that kind of thing so i i enjoyed what he was saying i thought it was a very measured conversation from dom and i really suggest that anybody who uh didn't listen to the podcast go listen to it because i know how it feels to have like your heart be like this is the greatest person that

existed and everybody needs to believe that i stand by asia but you know to have to then defend it with what we saw on the screen and sometimes those two things don't align so i really enjoyed the dom podcast i really appreciate you saying that yeah i think that that's a good way of uh surmising what dom said in the podcast of that she's somebody who's going to make the optimal move at every single turn and not every single survivor player is that me other and other survivor players have like different set of skill sets that are effective in winning the game where they have sort of like, you know, off the charts charisma or are just like a natural leader that people follow. I don't think that that was necessarily Rachel's game. I think that Rachel was just like a incredibly savvy game player and tough competitor. And then she was able to, you know, uh, execute, uh, in a

bunch of, uh, opportunities that she had down the stretch. And I think that Dom was super impressed with her for what she was able to do. So I thought it was a fun conversation. It was probably not as hyperbolic as was advertised by Dom on Twitter, but I think that, uh, he came in, uh, you know, he could have come in and been a cartoon character if you wanted to. I was expecting that. Right. Because that's because that's how I was living for the first three episodes of the show. But like to sit back and actually have to say, all right, I understand that I was a little I came in a little hot. But, you know, looking at what I have in front of me here, here's what I'm trying to express. And so although it was advertised

to be Dom Abate takes on RHAP, bringing your best fighters. You got Shannon, Mike Bloom, Rob lined up. Me and Josh Wiggler waiting in the wings for our chance. We're all picking our fighter. I thought it was a great conversation. You really let Dom cook.

And I think that as someone who he came really close to winning Survivor, and he's seen a lot of Survivor players, he knows them. He's very close to a Survivor winner being that, I mean, they were one vote away. I think that he has a lot of knowledge about what he's talking about and he knows Rachel pretty well. So, again, if you haven't listened to it, go check it out, because I'd like that way better than him coming in to be like, prove me wrong. You know, like this was way better. Chappelle, how would you have held up this fall if Asia did get to the final four?

The Lord stepped in, OK, because I was having a hard time. Episode one, episode one was like and again, I think I said this on Club Condo. Look at me making this about me. I do not care. The moment Asia applied to be on Survivor and went out there on a Fiji, she made this about me because you didn't care about my feelings when you went out there on the show. So now I got to just deal with that on this podcast in front of everybody. I would do everything but go to therapy for this. OK, so I would have struggled. I would have struggled. I would have struggled at every turn. And then if Asia was in the Rachel spot, let's say you just swap their just their bodies. Right. Asia wins the whole game. She wins all

those challenges. She does the same exact things that Rachel does. I'm Dama Bate. I'm on here like, and you can't tell me she ain't the best. So I totally get it, but I didn't need that stress. I didn't need it. I didn't need it in my life. And I don't see that... Asia doesn't seem like she's too broken up about it. Obviously, would have loved to win. But you know, I think Rachel played a great game needs to be celebrated. And then if Rachel, you know, isn't going to play again,

maybe then maybe we bring back Asia to play again. I'm just saying, give other people a chance. Rachel, damn, stop hogging all the money. Okay. She hasn't even played another show yet.

And, and look until Asia plays another show, keep it that way. No, I'm joking. You can never play another show. Asia better not ever go on television again, because I could not handle this. Rob, you have seen these RHAP patrons, listeners and even podcasters now only Survivor the show, but some of these now iconic players in Survivor history, because a lot of them are citing RHAP as some of their study material for before going on the show.

Yeah, I think that's an interesting question. And it's I'm probably not the right person to ask that. I do think that RHAP has had a real role in like the evolution of the show in that, you know, role in like the evolution of the show in that, you know, maybe not everybody who goes on the show was a lifelong RHAP listener who was like, you know, with me from 2010. But I do think a lot of people either, um, you know, we're listening to the show or they discover the show as they're in casting or they have been selected to the show and they start to cram the show. And so I do think that a lot of the things in the way that we've talked about the game over the years, I think, has impacted the direction of the game. Now, some people might say to its detriment of like, oh, everybody is a game bot. Everybody is like strategy, strategy, strategy. like strategy, strategy, strategy.

And okay, maybe that is a little bit of our influence of maybe the way that we have talked about the game is the way that the players now all talk about the game. When we started this thing, it was just us talking about the game a certain way. And the people on the show would have like, would not be discussing the game the way that we were. Yeah, and I think that we haven't lost characters due to the conversation about strategy, but I could definitely understand how people could feel that way for

sure. So, but here's my thing. I think that RHAP and other podcasts as well, you know, they're talking about Survivor, I have a responsibility to have these conversations because, um, now, uh, people are prepping for the show and they're really tuning into these conversations. And it's kind of affecting the way people talk about Survivor and prepare for the game. We even see in the Final Tribal Council, after the Final Tribal Council, the reunion show or whatever, you know, Andy uses the word orthogonal. Right. And it's kind of like, did he just have that on the tip of his tongue? Or is that something like that stuck with him because people kept making such a big deal out of it on R.J.P. and T.O.S. and all this other stuff. Right. Like, yeah, you could cite a small line from Sylvia. A lot of people are citing Survivor, you know, Survivor Govon and Survivor Fiji like that. And so to go back and be like, yeah, Sylvia. Yeah.

Like that sounds like a deep cut that some Survivor Fiji like that. And so to go back and be like, yeah, Sylvia, yeah, like that sounds like a deep cut that some Survivor fans would know. But it also was kind of like, we be pushing, you know, certain things in the RHAP universe. And so I see that the conversations about Mike Holloway and Ben Dreeberger, these are definitely conversations I've had

or heard had on RHAP about their wins, about the way they win, what those look like. And those conversations are now on the show permeating throughout. And so I think that I love that I get to be a part of this beautiful network, but I love that it's affecting the show and the way people talk about it, because I didn't think the Ben and Mike discourse would get so spicy this last week, but it's been fun. Yeah. And I did. I reached out to Mike Holloway to ask him like, hey, Mike, I did. I reached out to Mike Holloway to ask him like, hey, Mike, do you want to weigh in about this?

And Mike is just a super nice guy that I got the chance to talk to him the other night. And he was like, he's like, no, you guys look, I'll leave it to you guys to talk about. So he could not have been sweeter about the whole thing. He said he loves Rachel. He loves her win. He, you know, was not taking any offense and he's doing great, but he just didn't feel like the need to come on and discuss any of this. I don't know if anybody checked in with Ben, but overall, yeah, it was fun to have these throwbacks.

Yeah, and I personally think that the Mike slash Ben stuff just needed more data. I think that in the moment it was the first of its kind we had never seen somebody just went out or idled them you know find idols until they got out basically and then of course fire uh final fire making challenge with ben and stuff that that was all an outlier too but now that we've stepped away from it i do want to look at survivor as you know sometimes things happen to you in the game and then what you do at that point to fix those things is a part of your strength as a game player and immunity idols and uh you know individual immunity there are baked into the game they are um especially

individual immunity i would say the immunity idols are probably a little bit wonkier for me because you know who finds them we've heard you know there's disparities in that but at the same time like if it's a it's a the idea is that these challenges are built to where everybody could have an equal or you know about equal um playing field to win them then you don't take away from somebody because they were able to win those things um because it's really easy for you to start winning challenges and the players to also look at you and say that's not a threat that's actually not something i really care about let's move on to something that is a threat, you know? And so if you are a threat, you got to do what it takes to get to the end and then worry about all of that later on. I love to see people talking

about the evolution of the game like that, because people like Rachel and Andy are probably ones who sat around and said, you know, Ben, Mike, these aren't the games you want, right? You want the strategic cerebral games, the mastermind, you're influencing everybody's votes. Sometimes your back is up against the wall and you just got to win. And I love seeing all of that play out at once. Well, I think what's cool for people who are longtime fans like Rachel and Andy, they were able to come into the game and put their own unique stamps on it. They didn't just like talk the talk about like what they would do on the show. They actually came in and invented things and, you know know like played like

very interesting strategic games so i give both of them a lot of credit yeah even uh rachel's shot in the dark thing right uh you know i heard her exit interview with you where she's like i just thought like look i don't want to vote for gabe here get that but get the blood on my hands and there's like easy cop out but also yeah i'm gonna look around and see if anybody's paying attention it's inventive it's creative uh it's not like gay like game breaking but it's definitely something that again if you're looking from dom's point of view you look at rachel and say who else is thinking like that who else is going to maximize every opportunity to get their way closer to the end um if you're somebody like Rachel and you have that skill set, you utilize it. And if you're not able to, you know, move the game cerebrally from the background, be the ocean or the tide, not the boat, whatever, then you got to win your way to the end and do

what you got to do to get to the end, you know? So I loved all of it. Man, this finale gave me so much to talk about. I'm really enjoying seeing people energized by talking about Survivor. about. I'm really enjoying seeing people energized by talking about Survivor. Let's talk about something that you brought across my radar right before we came on. This was very interesting to see because this, you know, for all of the stats and everything that we talk about, I had not seen this brought up before. And, you know, apologies if you all have been talking about this. And, you know, apologies if you all have been talking about this. Check this out, okay? This is from a Twitter account.

Matthew, MattSurvivor04 says, Quick reminder to always sit in the middle at final tribal council. So how about this? Let's take a look. Here's Erica in the middle. Marianne in the middle. Jam Jam in the middle. Dee in the middle, Marianne in the middle, Jam Jam in the middle, Dee in the middle,

then Kenzie's in the middle, and then Rachel is in the middle. Yep. Only one not in the middle here, Gabler. But for the most part, six out of seven is, you know,

the odds there. If you're in the final three, you're aiming for that middle seat. I is, you know, the odds there. If you're in the final three, you're aiming for that middle seat. I think, you know, I think maybe Cassidy was told, like, sit in the middle. And then when the votes started coming in, like, oh, God, you made a mistake. No, I'm joking. I love this. I love this because I'm not a very superstitious person.

But I think, like, again, if you're in Survivor, maybe you are. I think Rome talked about it earlier in the season where where he was saying i already had some superstition about being in the front in the middle you know like jeff i think that's where that's a bad spot to be at at tribal council because you can't see you don't know what's going on behind you and he was wrong rome actually did not go home that episode but here look at it look at the material look at erica jam jam kasey all straight down the line just in the middle as these people are holding onto their hands as they win the game. It's so dope. Well, let me ask you, do you feel like that? No, they I don't think they come in and productions like I pick a seat like they tell them who to sit where.

Do you think that production sits them where? OK, this is who we think is going to win. Obviously, the votes haven't been cast yet. They don't know. People change their mind at Tribal Council. But do you think that they sit them of like, OK, here's the person that we think is going to win. And for TV, this looks the best. Cassidy was in the middle. And I don't know if production thought Cassidy was going to win, but I know a lot of the viewing audience did as well.

Right. And so, yeah, there it is. And so I'm not look, I can't speak to whether or not this is done on purpose. But I do think that with Cassidy being in the middle and her being like if it was Owen in the middle, I think you're like, no, because Owen, I think at that point, I realized it was going to be a very uphill battle for him to win. But I think that round had really come down to whether it's going to be Cassidy or Cassidy from a lot of the viewing audience. So I don't know. Maybe they didn't think that it was going to be Gabler and they were shocked. But I would say the same thing about maybe Charlie. We talk about Charlie as a winner, potentially, and how he lost some votes at Tribal Council. But based on if they had an inkling that Kensey was going to win based on whatever confessionals or, you know, pre jury segments they were doing, they clearly looked at Kinsey as having the edge. If this is if this is going to be something where you look at as evidence.

No, I will also say that the other pattern that you could see here is that, OK, when Erica is in the final three with two men, she's in the middle. Marianne with two men. She's in the middle. Marianne with two men. She's in the middle. Uh, here's, uh, Cassidy with two men. She's in the middle. Jam Jam is with two women.

He's in the middle. Uh, you know, D is with two men. She's in the middle. Uh, Kenzie with two men. She's in the middle.

But this season is the outlier. That works for six seasons until now is sam just too tall that it does not you need to put him off to the side i don't know i i like i like that there is something to talk about here i'm i'm not quite sure what it means because like you said rachel is the outlier there so is it just yeah we try to make sure there's like a almost like a gender pattern um amongst these people or is it the person in the middle and it's just a huge coincidence regardless this is pretty damn cool to look at you know um if i if it's uh people started talking about which station to sit at for the final travel you know for the fire making like oh don't sit in that one don't sit

in this one and i saw y'all looking at the stats the other day um you and adam klein but this is far more entertaining to me like f that fire thing look at this yeah that's so interesting so uh we'll see when we uh survivor 48 final travel council we'll take a look at who's sitting in what seat i would literally be trying to get into the middle if it was me just because shotgun shotgun middle my seat my seat running to down because even if you're wrong at least you get to be one of the outliers at that point you know what i'm saying like oh well chapelle wasn't wrong so he's like yeah yeah talk about me a little bit more that's what i need chapelle after the finale we had the survivor after show this was the quickest survivor after show did you feel like that you missed out on anything or do you feel like that you're fine with them

like walking it back and back and back till it's like almost non-existent? I'm torn because I agree with Jeff that this is the purest version of the show that you're going to get as far as these people's real life experience in the show and how they are processing what's going on. It is the moment where there's nothing has corrupted their views of the show. They haven't gone to social media, heard nobody talking trash. They haven't seen the preseason hype. They haven't seen Asia pop out in the trailer

and the crowd go wild. They don't know. So they're just talking about their raw emotion, their raw feeling about how they viewed the game. And I think we've seen enough survivor aftershows or live survivor tribal councils where we've seen enough, you know, Survivor aftershows or live Survivor tribal councils where we've seen where the stuff that happened on the show that people watched really did affect how they acted when Jeff started asking questions. Oh, well, you know, me and such and such are good now.

You know, we work things out. You know, we've seen all of that. This, you get to go straight to them and be like, so why Rachel? Why not Sam? Genevieve, what do you think? Saul, what do you think? You go straight to them. Now, it's getting a little boring, though.

I think there's not a lot to talk about if we don't have an off-season or a space between them watching the show and them in this airing because they don't have a lot of data. As far as Rachel goes like there's only so much you can ask her because she only saw her perspective I would love to see what Rachel thinks about you know like now that I've seen Sam's game up close you know or you know you know or I thought Andy was working like this or I never knew Sue was doing these things those were

the conversations that I missed so I'm torn but I feel like that those are the uh tough conversations to have on the actual after show like I feel like that those are the tough conversations to have on the actual after show. Like, I feel like that, you know, the after show is good for, you know, who would have voted for who, which I think is better in the moment for sure to do it there. But I feel like that what we really miss about the doing the live reunion show is the cringe that comes out of it, where there is it's just such great like human drama of here are these people who went out on survivor they had this experience they've seen the show and for a lot of them this is the last couple seconds they're going to be on tv ever and they in those final moments of being televised people that sometimes they do wild stuff that they will blurt things out they say that those types of things just we don't get them anymore no we don't and truly

memorable things we've had some truly memorable things on survivor remember stephanie lagrosa jumping up and yelling about her filet mignon pizza? Like, on the GGs. It's like, girl, what? We've seen some wild stuff, and I think, and I want to give them credit because this is not anything that I thought about. Fiona Liu in the chat said, we should have both

por que no las dos. Let's do it twice. And so here's my thing. We had an extra episode this season. We split our finale in two. Go back to one episode for the finale and keep that extra episode. Bring them all in. We know, we heard in these Survivor Streets that CBS did a little viewing party. We saw some clips on social media of them at the viewing party and stuff, watching the show, celebrating Rachel. You're going to bring them back together anyway. Might as well ask them a few questions. That's all I'm saying. So I think there's space.

I think in the past it was like, well, you're holding space. I've got to hold space for that. If nothing, I like I would love for them to us to get who would have voted for who like they normally have been doing. Everything's the same. And then boom, next episode. All all right we've watched the show now tell me what do you think and then that's when you start getting to the nitty and the gritty yeah okay well chapelle why don't you audition maybe you would be the perfect maybe jeff doesn't want to do it maybe you should be the person who hosts the post finale reunion show You do great exit interviews for Dondi and all sorts of different shows.

And these people that they're so warm to you, maybe you could get some real answers out of these people. I do have some questions. I do have some questions. What would you ask them? Well, let me see. I got a few. What's on your mind?

I want to ask Anika about this toxic clingy boyfriend thing she has on the dating apps. That's good. Yeah, because we didn't get into that. Nobody really talked about. I mean, we kind of heard about Sue biting the back of her tongue in your exit interview. But that didn't even come up. Nobody will talk about the red paint. I would love to know why some people were you know what people thought about sue's game in relationship to sam's maybe you know like it seemed like sam came in second place because he got kyle's vote but if rachel was out of the mix what does that look like right sue played a loyal game um does does she still get caroline does she still get gabe is there

anywhere where she it doesn't look like she would have gotten kyle but is there anywhere where she gets other votes maybe Maybe she gets Rachel. Who knows if Sue is a contender here. I got a lot of questions. Andy, you passed out. That was cool. Jeff brought that up. But since then, how are you and John Lovett doing?

Y'all talk? Y'all friends? You know, I got questions. Rome, Asia. That was crazy, right? But did you have fun? I could do this all day. So I think you're right.

Let me sign up for this. I got a lot of questions for Teeny, too. You brought up Sue. Sue revealed at the final tribal council that, hey, I am not 49 or I'm not 45 years old. I'm 59. Today is my birthday. She actually said back home it's my birthday. I don't know if it's a different day in Fiji than it is here in the United States.

It is. Yeah. They filmed this in the spring, I believe. Yes. Or early summer. Right? So, yeah. This is not Sue's birthday.

Right? How does time work? It's not Sue's birthday now. I'm just wondering if it's like with the time zones. Was it like not her birthday anymore? Because she's like, Back Home, It's My Birthday. But Chappelle, what do you think of the reaction from the cast to learning about sue's actual age sam would have lost my vote right

there what is this sam sam samuel samuel and you ain't that surprised you are not that shop stop it stop it cut it out yeah stop the shenanigans he about fell off that surprised. You are not that. Stop it. Stop it. Cut it out. Yeah. Stop the shenanigans. He about fell off that little stool he's on, that little tree stump or whatever they're sitting on. Oh, my God. All right.

All right, Sam. Cut it out. But you know what? He's 24. Like, if you're 24, do you know how old people are at different ages? Is that possible? When I was 24, I thought anybody older than 25 was like 90.

You know, like, I was like, oh God, how did you make it to that age? Let the call say, God willing, you know. You got some time ahead of you, I hope, you know.

Pray us up, you know. Yeah. Maximus' mom, one of our favorites, is the Bowie Jane of Survivor. Who pulled it off better, Bowie Jane or Sue? Sue.

Sue pulled it off better. Both came in third place. Who pulled it off better, Bowie Jane or Sue? Sue. Sue pulled it off better. Both came in third place. Sue pulled it off way better, right? Way better. Because Felicia had called Bowie Jane out like week two. It was like, that girl older than me. And I was like, Felicia, your math is wrong too. But you're not far off.

You know, I think that Sue had a bigger age gap than she was lying about. What was it, 13, 14 years? I think Bowie James had given herself like eight years. I feel like 10. Yeah, it wasn't as drastic. Sue definitely pulled it off because we didn't get one

confessional of somebody being like, Sue, girl, you know, whereas with Bowie James, Sari and Felicia, they both up there, literal grandmas are up there being like, she older than us. Girl, chill. I was like, all right, all right, calm down.

The chat is talking about that they can't believe that Sam is only 24 and is six years younger than Andy. I was at a watch party for the first time. I told you this. I was going to round to the bar in Dallas for a watch party that was being hosted and i think they're going to do a lot more of those in the dallas area so if you're in the dallas area go check that out this is my same shameless plug for uh that because they were very kind but we went to go watch it and there was a moment where teeny was talking about teeny's journey and someone goes see you just that's why you don't play survivor at 22 years old i said sam's 24 and everybody gasped

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where it seems like that this cast, this is for the most part, a real love fest coming out of the show. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Nope, nope, nope. Okay. Well, that in addition to, you know know all sorts of fun stuff that they were

in los angeles a big chunk of the cast went to go to universal studios and were hanging out doing all sorts of fun amusement park things that sounds like fun was it everybody i'm not sure i don't have a full census here um but let me bring in some social media and this is annika shared some tiktoks of the whole group and so uh here's the survivor 47 cast going on a roller coaster okay oh roller coaster ride of the season but i see here is Teenie Here's Gabe Here's Andy, looks like Genevieve is in the back Is that Caroline? But there's Annika in the front

So here they go And there's Rachel We are, oh we're stuck Uh oh, they got stuck And then Here they are on the rollercoaster Are you a roller coaster guy? no absolutely not

I have been on roller coasters and every time afterwards I'm like and y'all do this for fun? y'all need to be in prison I'm the person who goes to the amusement park and I just eat everything I'm there just like sitting around funnel cakes and fried oreos all kinds of whatever it is

you deep fry it and give it to me but i'm not getting on one of these yeah so they go on this uh the roller coaster but then i'm like i don't know if these are like filled with like some random people also or i don't know if these are like their friends and spouses and stuff like that spouses you think it's spouses you don't think they're on any rides with imagine you guys should go to like uh universal studios and it's like okay uh we need two more people to go in this car like oh here's the entire cast of survivor 47 if i just watch this show and i see the cast of survivor 47 and you see like sol and asia in the back row and there's one speak i'm i'm like hurtling over everybody to get there that's my turn and i just said I wasn't getting on a roller coaster.

But look, crazier things have happened. Okay. I didn't see everybody though, Rob. I'm just saying like, it's giving kumbaya on the outside, but internally. You know what, Rob? You're right. I do need to host this after show, this reunion. Because maybe I'll set up a Zoom.

Because I got gotta get down to this my investigative journalism uh you know is kicking in and i'm like kashon where you at kashon talk to me well i don't think everybody went to the uh live uh or they they had a party with the producers to screen the episode but i don't think everybody went i feel like it's in their contract that they gotta go i made that up by the way yeah I don't think everybody went. I feel like it's in their contract that they gotta go. I made that up, by the way. I don't think it's like when they used to televise it. I think they invite people. Remember how it used to be in their contract, though?

You had to come to the reunion? Yeah. I'm like, what if you had to come? Where y'all at? I got questions. I didn't see Rome in the background. No surprise there. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking, trying to get the dirt. Okay? Asia blocked me because I texted her like, hey, tell me everything. She blocked me. But she don't block me, I think. Maybe. I don't know. no surprise there i'm looking i'm looking i'm looking trying to get the dirt okay asia blocked me because i text her like hey tell me everything she blocked me but she don't block me i think

i maybe i don't know and uh so yeah yeah i think next next season 48 i'm on the case okay i'm going to i'm checking lists and everything as they say i'm coming i'm coming in with a fact yeah you could be like paparazzi and just like go out and like uh try to get the answers out in the field right right jennifer jennifer jennifer can i can i ask you a question real quick jennifer jennifer uh yeah um tell me more about and it's just like no no answers no question no questions i was like like i've taken all the photos this is why does it take so long for us to get here i should have been doing this for rjp yeah you've been tmz yeah i could do it i got it watch okay see next season that guy with the beard i'm gonna

have all the answers you're gonna know everything finally okay then it was talked about in the show that rachel and genevieve were like voldemort and harry potter okay and so annika took it on herself over on TikTok to put our Survivor 47 cast into Harry Potter houses. Now, Chappelle, you're a big Potter guy, right? Former, former Potter guy. I read all the books several times. And then in recent years, I'm just like, lady, stop asking for so much money. This lady is a billionaire and she act like a poor person. Like, stop begging. Every time I look up is another damn show jk rowling yeah her i don't i don't i don't

like her um and so no uh she left me a long time ago but i do have fond memories of the past when i was a potter boy i just it's ghetto now very ghetto please release yourself okay all right so here we go here is we have rachel and let me see if I can do this. Rachel is here in the Gryffindor colors here at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Yeah. Yeah. Look at her. I've never been to the one at Universal. Yes. Yeah. Look at that. So when the last time I went to Universal, my kids were too small. So we walked through it,

certainly, and it looks cool but we didn't go on any of the rides or experiences there yeah okay cool well i would i would love to like experience it but again that's just so i don't need no more harry potter tv shows and video games like it's too much okay chapelle do you sign off on rachel grffindor. Yeah, well, maybe. Right? So Rachel is very clearly the hero of the season, but I think her puzzle prowess really kind of got me looking at the Ravenclaws. You know, they're normally, and she's got

glasses on, you know, like, you know, so it's like she might be a Ravenclaw. She seems like a brain, but she was giving Gryffindor as far as her art goes, you know, like they tried to get her out, but just the hero story was just too strong with Rachel. So I sign off on this for sure okay all right then next up okay slytherin okay genevieve she could be one of us she can come sit with the cool kids yeah that's cool it's all good we will come on come on to the villain side that's where we be at all slytherin are not

created equal we ain't all villains it's just just, you know, the popular ones were villains. So Genevieve is wearing their colors. Genevieve is dressed apart. She's literally wearing the sweater. I think her and Rachel were under the premise that we're going to Universal and we're going to Harry Potter World. Okay. All right. Next up.

All right. Next up is Teenie the Hufflepuff. Facts. Big old facts uh social a social threat uh you know i i could see it right i could see it all over teeny also this is a dope hat teeny i like that okay now that's not a harry potter hat right i don't think so but it could be just a cold hat okay all right next we have the Slytherin Andy. Hmm.

Now, baby Andy. Could he sit with us? There were some villainous moments. There were some villainous moments, but I don't know. Andy's like, he's like, it's the strategy part that makes Andy fun. And even just the personality type. Like, I'm somewhere between Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw for Andy. Like, I don't want Andy to get overwhelmed by all the evil people around him and Slytherin. Everybody can't hack it.

What kind of reason are you embracing it? He trying, but you know, it's giving Hufflepuff trying to be one of us. You know, Ravenclaw trying to be one of us. That's all I'm saying. Okay. All right. Then we get, after Andy Slytherin. Okay.

All right. Here is our Gryffindor Caroline. I'm okay with that. Not Ravenclaw? I could see it too, but I think she was more, she's so warm. I could even see like as a,

as a Hufflepuff, you know, like the cheerleading side of her, you know, where she's like, you go Sue, you go Andy. Like,

that's a great job. Like she was just everybody's biggest hype man. Gryffindors are normally a little bit more self-centered when it comes to like their own, you know, self image. I I would probably say maybe like Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw okay who's making these calls did they take a test or is this they might have just named themselves honestly I mean like look you know um I don't really know who who if anybody's wearing a sorting hat or if they have one at uh Universal you know studios but maybe maybe they took a test maybe they went to the old website you didn't have the sorting hat or if they have one at uh universal you know studios but maybe maybe they took a test

maybe they went to the old website the sorting hat td didn't need the sorting hat it's like the sorting hat barely touches some people and it's like yeah we got you i think uh the sorting hat took one look at teeny and said you know where to go okay all right then we got okay sierra hufflepuff if she she say so. You know. She didn't want to kill the chickens. She didn't want to kill the chicken. She didn't want to kill the chicken. Man, Ciara was one of the few people who understood the assignment when it came to these jury outfits.

The rest of them was, Ciara, Saul sometimes. I'll give Caroline some too, but some of them was given a little mid. That's all. Okay. Why? Who was mid on the jury? That's all. Okay. Well, why? Who was mid on the jury? Just dress up. Come on, man.

All these damn Hawaiian shirts. Gabe, what are you doing? You know, Kyle. I thought Genevieve. Genevieve, this was supposed to be your episode. This was supposed to be your entrance. Genevieve voted out. It's like, dude, she's walking in.

She might have been down, not feeling like it. You're supposed to. Listen, as far as I'm concerned, it's the final tribal council. It's your last chance to really impact the season before your vote. You want the camera jetting over to you. You're supposed to walk in and people go,

like, like, you know. Sam, maybe let's put a pin in that. Let's come back to that and see if we can find a picture of the Final Tribal Council and just finish up these Harry Potter houses.

Bring in Rice. All right. Gabe is Slytherin. Okay. Yeah. Who better than a Slytherin to come in and say, you know, I think Russell Hance is misunderstood. I think that's pretty spot on.

Okay. And then, finally, Annika. Ravenclaw. Ravenclaw for Annika. Okay, I could see that. I also could see Slytherin, you know. I would welcome Annika to the club because that reaction when she got voted out

was like, excuse me? I'm going to Avada and and cadaver all of this stuff you know so yeah um this is fun i like this um is she is she the last one on our list i think so uh looks like uh i don't think sam made the cut i don't know if he if he was still i don't know if he went to universal i didn't see asia universal right yeah that's what i'm saying like look i know it's giving kumbaya but i don't know i. I don't know. Everybody didn't want to go see it. I don't know. Also, since we're talking about sorting people, I put in the private chat for Sam the EW article from Final Four Speak. And it gave a lot of good information about where the tribes were standing. But if you could do me a favor and just scroll on down.

What do you want to see? After it says, what was your favorite non-game related interaction? So there's a subheading that says, what is your favorite non-game interaction? I want to key in on Sam. Not our Sam, but our Sam. Right. And if you could just go there. Because I thought there was something very interesting that kind of falls in line with us sorting these people

into different houses. All right. What was your favorite non-game interaction? Sam tells us, it's not a specific moment, but the most fun I had out there was hanging out with Genevieve giggling about how everyone was targeting us and we were doomed. We just talked about the Enneagram and food

and whatever, and I had a lot of joyful days thanks to her. Yeah. Look, I might not know everything about Harry Potter anymore because, like I said, I stepped away from it for my own health and just because I was annoyed with that lady. But I know the Enneagram pretty well and I because i was annoyed with that lady but uh i know the enneagram pretty well and i was very excited to see that sam and genevieve were talking about

it because then that kind of lets me in on uh their personality type a little bit um and so i now know a few of the the cast enneagram types uh asia of course being a seven like myself which is why she was robbed obviously um but i did i thought it was very funny that Sam and Genevieve were sitting around talking about it because Sam is like, he's your textbook three. That is what he did. Did you pick up on that? I did not. So the textbook three is to, like, learn what everybody else's Enneagram is?

No. Sam is hyper-competitive and image-driven, you know, like the threes we've talked about in the past. You know, like, you know, the extreme example, Michael Jordan, you know like uh you know the extreme example michael jordan you know somebody who just like i'm here to win uh other other example i've used in the past to talk about like taylor swift somebody who was like very image conscious uh you know but like very productive always trying to look a certain way in front of everybody because they like to be admired and they like to be viewed and like as uh as uh admirable i guess uh and so uh seeing sam talk about i guess he the question he answered

in the final tribal council was very uh introspective i think from him because they say well you know what do you hope what do you think your legacy is going to be of your survivor game or whatever and he's like yeah i care what people think about my survivor game i wanted to be admired and i was like three ring the bell so i was very excited to hear that and uh so i did some digging yes i was like well since genevieve has been talking about it uh i wonder what she identifies as on the enneagram scale and she is a five five okay yeah and i love a good five because we don't see a lot of them because they'd be ducked off. They'd be quiet. And it kind of rings true to Genevieve as we saw in the game. Can you just maybe back up for one second? Because I know that everybody or many people know of your affinity for the Enneagram.

But in case any people don't know what we're talking about, can you just give a quick like 30 seconds of what the Enneagram is? Yeah, sure. It's just a personality assessment that is very similar to like Myers-Briggs or, you know, I guess the sorting hat, if you will, where it divides personality types into nine different types. And then you go in, you read the type description or you take a test, I guess, if you want to, but you go and find out which description fits you and your motivations. And it kind of dictates, well, it kind of indicates, you know, how you approach life, you know, how your motivations dictate your characteristics about yourself, your behaviors and your personality. And so that's how it works. So Enneagram is based on like your internal motivation and how that externally exudes itself.

And so for them to be talking about it, I was like, OK, cool, because it tells you a lot about how a person perceives themselves, right? okay, cool, because it tells you a lot about how a person perceives themselves, right? Their own self-perception as a player or even as just a character or a person in the game. And so seeing that Genevieve was identifying as a five on the Enneagram type, they're called the investigators. They're normally not very warm and cuddly types

because they're more cerebral, right? They're thinkers. They're normally here to investigate and get as much information as possible before making decisions. But they come off a little prickly because emotions take a lot of energy and fives don't have time for that.

So they put emotions to the side for the time being. They think first and then they will feel about what they think. And so I think Genevieve is one of those characters that throughout we saw her really struggling with the emotional side of survivors.

She's like, oh man, I'm still mad about this. This Kishan thing is like, I just can't get it off my back. I can't stop thinking about it. And also people were not able to get close to her. That is the hallmark of a five is that they do really well at keeping people kind of at arm's length because people take energy and ain't got that. They need to be thinking and investigating and gathering knowledge. That's how they kind of get off people are exhausting to them and so i was not shocked when genevieve says she's a five because if you track the things that she's been saying throughout the season it kind of goes along the lines with that so that's how it goes okay what about the rest of the cast have you figured out rachel no i asked asia and she wouldn't go investigate for me

i told you i need to get look I need to get on the case. Okay. But in your amateur opinion, do you see anything that's pointing you in one direction or another? The problem with Rachel is that, and I think that, I think about episode four of Club Condo, we had our first guest. It was Taryn Armstrong. And he said, I don't know who Rachel is. And I don't think nothing, I don't think that's changed. I don't think the show gave us a lot of personal content about Rachel.

In the final tribal council, she mentions her husband. I was like, she married? You know, it never came up. You know, we never heard anything about her that would really lead me to. I didn't know what her job was going into the finale. We talked about it last week. Yeah, I didn't understand her because I didn't see her, right? I think you said it best to maybe like Adam Klein. like the Rachel game is not something where people are going to be

able to say, Oh, I want to play like Rachel. It's like, it's hard to do. Like you want to win a bunch of challenges, find a bunch of idols, find a bunch of advantages. Like that's, that's tough. But cause it's hard. Everybody wants to do those things. We don't really know a lot of Rachel's motivation in the game. She wasn't, she wasn't given that kind of personal content. So it's hard for me to guess. But she did seem like she was, you know, pretty cerebral, maybe a little decisive as well. She didn't get in a lot of conflict, maybe like a nine or something.

Maybe, you know, nines are kind of peacemakers. They're able to, you know, get along with everybody. We saw her aligned with pretty much everybody in the game at one point or another. So there's stuff like that that could, you know, help you kind of read into the characters. But again, the Enneagram is not something that lends itself to being able to watch it on television in 30 minutes first and say, oh, that's what you are. You kind of have to self-identify. And so I would love the opportunity to quiz all these people.

I'm like, so what do you think? So are you familiar with this? You want to talk about it? I'm putting this on my after show questionnaire. Yes, okay. But real quick, teeny should be pretty easy to diagnose, right? Ooh, well, what do you think? Four?

Yeah, I think that wouldn't be awful. I think that would probably be something that I would consider for teeny for sure. Teeny, fours are typically emotional. They're bleeding hearts a lot of times as far as like, but they feel their own emotions, they're very self-centered and very self-aware of their their emotion and how they're feeling and how they present themselves in the world and they're used to being unique and they kind of wear it as a badge of honor it's like they want

everybody to know that they're different so a lot of times they look different a lot of times they're artistic or they have other ways of expressing all these deep feelings of emotion, but they're also a rollercoaster emotion. They can feel very happy, very sad. They have different range of emotions that I could never understand, honestly. And I think that that wouldn't be so far off base. Also, Teenie's very social. I could see maybe two as well, but it does feel like we're somewhere in the feeling types when it comes to Teenie. But again, it's not a science. First of all, it's not a science at all, but also it's not something that's really easy to tell on television because people act differently on Survivor than they do in real life. Rob, if anybody had watched your game on Survivor, I think they would have been giving

you big three energy as well when it comes to your ability to navigate the game uh your ability to kind of like take initiative in the game as well but uh you're not a three um no uh not i mean from what i understand about the enneagram uh sometimes i can be yeah you can give those big three traits but you are definitely a nine right you're a peacemaker and you can get along with everybody and we saw that in the game you had an alliance of these people and you decided, no, I want to align with those people. And you did. And you were able to even go back and align with the people you had quit on before, because you're just so good at mending fences and kind of playing the middle. And I think Rachel was able to do that as well. And when it's time to

compete at the end, you know, you just narrowly missed that spot, but there was a good opportunity for you to get there. And I think people would have been looking at you as like, oh yeah, that's probably like a three. But I think, again, it comes down to motivation and not actions. What is driving you to act the way you are is more of the Enneagram than what you actually do. Because who wouldn't want to win Survivor? Who doesn't want to win challenges? Like everybody wants to do that. So it it's like those things don't set you aside i would love to talk to rachel about it maybe in your deep dive you could just throw it out there like beforehand like have you ever heard of this and then uh and then i'll take it from there okay all right chapelle i want to uh just throw back

to you know in rhap's circles in our own little world know, this was a big week for one of our friends, Shannon Gus, who managed to win the podcaster draft for the first time ever. Very impressive. So if people wanted more information on the Enneagram, we did do that podcast about it. And we've re-released it as well on recapkickback.com. You can go to our youtube page

youtube.com slash recap kickback and scroll down to the bottom there is a podcast where i talked to rob about survivor in any gram you can check that out yeah so shannon posted a video of her celebrating a day in the life as the winner of the draft and And I'm not going to play the song because we're going to get copyright flagged. But here is Shannon celebrating her big win in the draft. Waking up, fully dressed, putting on a tiara, dancing. What I want, you've got. Right? Yeah. dancing what i want you've got right right yeah uh so yeah she's dancing in her car what peter what a guy uh filming this incredible you're speechless I have no words.

Shannon, Enneagram 3, check it out. Yeah. So does Shannon become the seventh draft winner in seven seasons? She is, and that's a statistical anomaly from what I understand. I think a lot of the stuff that's been going on with the RGP draft is a statistical anomaly. Yeah, pretty interesting. Yeah, the Marianne Grenet thing. the the second year that we did the draft and now shannon being seven of seven um you know it's it's crazy um i wish i could say i was happy for her yeah so yeah that's it that's all i got okay right. So let's see. What else do we take away from this big survivor finale?

Oh, I'm sorry. Seven of six. I see the correction. You technically were not in the draft. So she is seven of six, which is crazy. But you go, Shannon. I'm sure we'll have to hear about the average draft placement next next year um asia please come back save me okay all right kyle weighed in he was the only vote that didn't vote for rachel and so he took to social media to explain his vote kyle what have you seen this before have you seen this one okay all right kyle explains uh why he was not a vote for rachel okay and obviously you've seen the finale and i'm gonna give you some insider because you deserve it for being a badass you want to know why i voted for sam because i knew everybody was voting for rachel that's as clean cut as i could put it for you. I didn't feel like Sam was a third... Is this a live here that he's doing? It looks like a

cameo. Yeah, this is a cameo. Yeah, it looks like a cameo. Alright. Finalist with Sue. I don't believe that they played the same game. I believe that Sam deserved a second place. And if I can single-handedly

take money from one man's pocket and put it into another man's pocket and have no sweat myself, I'm going to do it. Because I'm not in this just for myself, right? What'd you say? Why did he say it

like that? If I could single-handedly snatch money from one person and give it to somebody else kyle i thought you did this because you wanted sam to win second it sounds like you did this because you wanted sue to win third yeah i think that's what he's saying no i thought he was presenting it like i thought sam played a second place game let him cook for sam this for family we're in this for family. We're in this for friends. And Sam was a friend to me. Rachel was a friend to me. In my opinion, Rachel deserved that win. Every

step of the way. She is a badass. I love her. But, I also believe that Sam deserved second place. And I was willing to be the person to give it to him. So I read the room and I honestly felt like I did what was right. person to give it to him. So I read the room and I honestly felt like

I did what was right. And that's what I do to the best of my ability. It doesn't mean we're always right, but we tried. That's what matters. And that's what you're going to continue to do, Kyle Wren. So listen. Shout out to Kyle Wren.

Yeah. How about that um i thought that in the moment when kyle was asked the question i thought he explained it pretty concisely and it goes along with what he's saying right now is i really liked sam that's it i voted for sam because i really liked him he said he meant a lot he meant a lot of me a lot a lot to me in the game and i will never forget the way sam impacted my life thus i voted for him and i don't think that there's a problem with that at all i think when we talk about jury management and we talk about you know people who play a social game in order to get votes i think that in those moments we're talking about people who connect with people at the end game. There's a reason why,

despite Teenie never being correct in this game at all, except for maybe like episode one when Teenie was trying to take care of Asia. But despite that, people were still talking about Teenie as a jury threat, even up to like what, like the last five episodes, which is crazy.

But it's because deep connection with people matter. And so I don't have any issue with that at all. Rachel is not, Rachel won. She's not entitled to win unanimously just because we want her to win unanimously. Sam has done a lot of good work. People were saying Sam was putting up a good fight. And if Kyle liked Sam enough to give him a vote, that's the case. I was shocked that people didn't give Sue a pity vote. I thought Caroline for sure would have at least threw a girl a bone you know uh and so i think that's for people to parse with and decide on their own uh their own merit like what does it mean to you

to show you some love in the game and if you know they're gonna tie and you want one person to win over the other that's fine i think that the intention for me is the is the issue that's why i was like it's Sam saying like Kyle saying, and now I understand it differently, but I thought Kyle was saying, I wanted Sue to get third place. Like I wanted to make sure. We've seen that before too.

For the record, Sue says her and Kyle are good. I had a nice chat with Sue the other day. I asked her about like Sue, how's everything with you and Kyle? She said, I love Kyle. Kyle is a good guy. I really like Kyle. Yeah. I don't think there's any drama there. I don't think they had any real beef it's like it's a game you're trying to beat the

next person you got to make them look bad you got to talk you got to talk a little trash here and there i don't think there was anything personal there at all uh i was just i was just very confused about the wording kyle was using when he said if i could take money out of one man's hand and put it in another it's like whose money whose money are you taking? But I guess maybe CBS's. So, shout out to Sam and Kyle, for sure, for showing some love to your friends. I thought this was a fun tweet the other night. Rachel

Folger Apostle does not often tweet about Survivor, but took to social media to say I am for sure one of the top two Rachels to ever play Survivor that part that part

yeah Rachel Rachel just it's just not a name that comes up on Survivor a lot honestly Sam isn't either

we've had Sammy you know but this is to my knowledge right first Survivor Sam yeah yeah so yeah

Sam is one of one Rachel our new Rachel is one of one yeah rachel our new rachel is one of one of one of two and then uh of course tyson's rachel number number two but you know not far off i'm sure uh tyson's rachel could win again hey that was my winner pick once upon a time look you got taste look at tyson it's a tyson uh three times to win uh survivor um give rachel another shot. Bring her back. It's almost like we have a monumental 50th season

where people have been clamoring for this Rachel to come back. Oh, there is another Rachel. Rachel Ako, right? Is that Millennials vs. Gen X? Okay. I'm asking you. You're the pro. Yeah, that's where she's from. Dang, that's crap. Tyson from. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, dang.

That's crap. Man, Tyson's Rachel is kind of throwing shade. She's like, look, at least I know I'm a second. Yeah. Okay. Bring them both back. Make them team captains. Rachel.

Rachel. All right. Chappelle, you know, it's the holidays. wondering that that should we talk about the holiday gift list for these players from survivor 47 as we start to put survivor 47 into the rearview mirror i was wondering if maybe you might be able to play santa claus and figure out some gifts that we could get for what everybody needs from survivor 47 i got you okay you. Okay, let's start. Who do we start with? You want to go through the whole cast? Do you want to do 18?

Yeah, let's do it. John Lovett. John Lovett. What would you bring John Lovett if you have him in the Survivor Secret Santa? I would give John Lovett... A recount. A recount.

Yes, he definitely could use a recount. This was a tough year for John Lovett. A recount. I mean, a recount. Yes, he definitely could use a recount. This was a tough year for John Lovett. Tough year for John Lovett. Yay. Give him peace. Peace of mind, you know, because he's been through a lot this year. For sure. He needs a W.

Somebody give John Lovett a W. Because that's what we really need. Yeah. A W for John Lovett. I'll take it. Okay. All right. W. Because that's what we really need. A W for John Lovett. I'll take it. Okay. Alright. Then, we have

after TK. TK! TK! He forged his own path. Is there anything he could use to forge his own path? Well, why did he go home? Oh, because he lost and he didn't like that other people were happy about losing.

Why are you all smiling? Why are they all smiling? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think we could give TK? He feels like the guy's got a lot. I think he has it all.

I'm trying to think. They said, I remember he told that one story about all the things he did. And he said the Super Bowl was too crowded. There's too many people there. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Does he need a trip to the Super Bowl? Can we give TK a trip to the Super Bowl was too crowded. There's too many people there. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Does he need a trip to the Super Bowl? Can we give TK a trip to the Super Bowl?

Who was his team? Do you remember? He said that his loved one, he wanted to be Tyreek Hill. But I think he works for the NFL. So I don't know if he necessarily needs a trip to the Super Bowl. Okay. But we can get him like Tyreek Hill. We can get him Tyreek hill as like a cameo

okay yeah cameo from tyreek hill all right what about asia our beloved asia what could we get her we should give asia a podcast she should talk about the ultimatum uh here on rjp or married at first sight maybe love is blind like i feel like there's something in there where Asia just needs... That's like when I... Oh, I already have this. I have this shirt. I already have one of these. Yeah.

Is there anything new we could get Asia to talk about? Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's a wide portfolio of things. Yeah. Maybe we give Asia... She could be my sidekick on the after show. Since she got to go round these people up. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. All right. What would Kashawn get besides a bunch of mentions on TV? Kashawn is going to get a handwritten letter from Genevieve. I trusted you. How could you? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. All right, on that note, what about Annika?

Ooh. Annika oh annika huh i don't know no annika's had enough of the clothes line uh annika has gotten some revenge in this season you know i think her being uh rachel's final uh you know her number one her original number one is very good for her because i mean you see your number one going to win the game. It's kind of like you won the game, too, you know. And so let's let's give Anika. I don't know what she wants. It's been so long. We didn't get to learn a lot about the players. Can you think of anything? Maybe she wants a handwritten apology note from Sam. Maybe it's a lot of apology notes. Yeah says a non-clingy and non-toxic

boyfriend. Facts. Let's get Annika a better dating profile. We're going to spruce it up and she's not going to get these duds. What do we get Rome? We're going to get Rome the guy who has everything.

He has a lot. We're going to get Rome The guy who has everything He has a lot We're going to get him We're going to get him a lawyer Like a gift card Yeah, going to get him a lawyer I got to look out for my boy Trying to make the block hot I got you I got you baby

Just a lawyer on retainer just in case yeah and not better call saul yeah no no no don't call saul do not call whatever you're not called yeah okay all right what about Tiana? Man, we need to give Tiana a safety without power. Well, that would change the whole thing. Yeah, I think that's the one thing that was really missing from her game is that if she had the safety without power right there, we might have a different winner of the season. We would definitely have a different winner of the season.

Yeah. I mean, we didn't realize it at the time, but what a moment. Yeah. Tough. that is tough that's what you call it sliding doors or whatever i don't know yeah okay what could have been all right then we had after tiana then the first person uh then sierra well sierra has a lot going on yeah I wonder where she's registered we can probably get her we can get her a baby gift get her a baby gift a baby buff a buff for the baby we don't want to get her chickens no she loves chickens

she drinks wine with them but now she can't drink wine she can't drink wine anymore with the chickens yeah let's get her a baby buff what was the name of the chicken Miss Peppers oh you know all chickens be food to me so I don't know i didn't name it i'm playing with my food okay then saul what do we what do we get saul definitely not a shirt less shirts less shirts less shirts how do we get maybe that we take from saul you know we take away his sleeves

yeah you know or make sure like uh yeah um okay yeah we're gonna take something. Yeah, you know, make sure like, yeah. Okay, yeah. We're going to take something from Saul. Give him more oil. Yeah, baby oil. Let's get him some baby oil. Yeah, let's grease him up. Okay. But then after Saul, Gabe.

What does Gabe want? What does he need? A cameo from Ray Lewis? Cameo from Ray Lewis. Cameo from Russell Hance. Yeah, I think we can get a cameo for him as well. What about both of them together? Ooh, Ray Lewis and Russell Hance in the same spot?

I have a feeling that they would get along. We could get them a Super Bowl win for the Ravens okay if you can deliver that sure I can't deliver it and I don't know if they can either but we're gonna keep our fingers crossed for Gabe okay then after Gabe was it Kyle what does Kyle want what does Kyle want vegan chicken wings oh yeah please please get this man some some fried cauliflower and Vegan chicken wings? Oh, yeah. Please. Please get this man some fried cauliflower and cauliflower chicken wings. You know, because I think that's what they do, right? Or like, what are they called? Jackfruit or something?

Yeah, whatever they do. Yes. Give this man something because I know he has a lot of regrets about eating that chicken. Okay. Then after Kyle went out, I think it was Caroline. Chad, tell me if I missed somebody. Oh yeah, I don't know the boot order. That's wrong.

I don't have my list. Okay. What does Caroline want? Um, Caroline. Um, I don't know. See, uh, I think we kind of got a glimpse of her talking about her Caroline. I don't know. I think we kind of got a glimpse of her talking about her ADHD. Kimberly's so good at this.

Pom-poms. Pom-poms. She is a cheerleader. She is a cheerleader. I think she can hype people up. Okay. Yeah. All right.

All right. After that, then it was Andy. Give Andy a round of applause. A round of applause. No, no, no. You got to let that hair down. But clap for Andy. Give Andy a round of applause. A round of applause. No, no, no. You got to let that hair down. But clap for Andy. You know, they didn't clap for him at the coconut challenge and it almost ruined his game. Let's give him a round of applause. Or a trip back to Survivor 50.

Give Andy a return trip. Okay, you're going to Fiji. Again, yes! Okay, what about Genevieve? Genevieve. Give Genevieve some space.

Let her breathe, you know? Let the queen, let Queen of Eve, let her have some space. Because I know the fandom is clamoring for her, but the last person, the fandom ran off Kenzie, and I'll never forgive y'all. So let's let Genevieve breathe. Was it the whole fandom, or was it like one or two yahoos?

I think it's the whole fandom. I think it's like the yahoos were on top of the fandom. The fandom was wilding. The fandom was wilding. That lady won the game, and people immediately started to argue. She didn't get one day of just universal just like we're happy for you like rachel did oh no uh this woman won the game people were like it should have been charlotte so yeah yeah give us a face maybe if sam would have hyped up taylor swift more

yeah i think that could i mean couldn't hurt okay then we had after uh that that we have to teeny already oh yeah we're already there teeny gets a brand new bag yeah per the song yeah per the song can the opportunity to help me move at any point yes you know You know, it's funny because I was thinking back on earlier in the season where there's the moment where Anika is watching Sam with the clothesline

and we're like, yeah, Anika's not really doing anything with the clothesline, but Sam is doing the work and Anika's kind of just like directing. That's one of those things

Teeny's talking about. He's the guy moving the desk. The teacher looks at him as kind of like the go-to guy for manly material, manly things. Hang up material manly things so yeah so i could see that all right teeny move the desk what about sue what is sue okay a wet towel a wet wipe yeah some soap yeah

um dvd of alice in wonderland i think it's so much for, for, for Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Yeah. Yeah. You know, makeup, you know, for the contour, obviously.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Happy 46th birthday card. Pretty good. Yeah. She says she should have said she was 47 for survivor 47 she's yeah she she should have said she was 15 i think she should have said she was 15 yeah

all right then sam what are we getting sam an edible arrangement no no no that's what you that's what you get andy matter of fact we should go back and retroactively give Andy some weed. I know he was afraid of it, but based on what I've seen, Andy, the doctor is prescribing that you try something. Yeah, but edible arrangement is fruit. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, of course. Obviously. Yeah, I get that. That's what I meant. Duh.

Like they cut a cantaloupe into a flower. Yeah, and then you inject it with some flour. No. No no still not right that's not how you do that no i've never had one of those i've never had edible arrangement i've only i didn't know you had to arrange them yeah how do you arrange them by size that uh they're like you know that they cut them um infused sure yeah yeah sure look sam's sam's a pineapple guy now okay get him a pineapple pineapple express yeah yeah there you go okay all right and then finally rachel what do we get the

the winner of survivor who has everything now she gets to get us something hell we ain't right to uh you think rachel could give us a cameo we haven't winning forever. Rachel, you think Rachel could give us a cameo? We haven't had one for a long time. I think she's going to have to make one for Shannon for the next draft.

Everybody keeps bringing up Shannon. I just don't understand why. Did she do something remarkable or something? Did something happen? Yeah, I don't know.

Rachel, Rachel sounded like she plays poker, but she says she's not the best. I would like for Rachel to get like, maybe, like, uh, maybe like a poker tutor, maybe Rachel and Tyson. He meets a new Rachel and she, uh,

he can walk her through some of the ins and outs because he's a, he's a poker guy, right? Who is Tyson? Tyson. Yeah. Tyson plays poker. Tyson, Boston, Rob. We put Rachel in a new poker group chat. Like the one that she's in with Dom, but with winners. She's in the loser bracket right now. Ronnie Barter's in there. James Lynn.

What is he doing? What are you doing in there, Rachel? Girl, get out of there. Has she outgrown the poker chat that Dom was in? I think so. I think you got to put her in the big leagues now. Boston, Rob. Who are the other Survivor winners who play poker?

Do you know them? Well, there was the infamous Poker Alliance in Winners at War Kim Spradlin but I don't think Kim Spradlin is a real poker player

like she was on a TV show yeah but I mean no disrespect to Dom and Jeremy who I don't think is a you know

is actually a poker player I'm just saying I think Rachel your time playing around with Ronnie Barter and them is over I think you have to move as actually a poker player. I'm just saying. I think, Rachel, your time playing around with Ronnie Barter and them is over. I think you have to move into the winner's bracket now. Kudos to you, Rachel. All right, and there's your... You did a great job with that.

Thank you. Ho, ho, ho. We did it. You did it. Is there anything else on your mind in terms of Survivor 47? Let me check my list. Let me check it twice.

Mm-hmm. Ah, I wanted to talk about rachel's signature move yes um what do you think rachel's signature move is of the season so i think that probably the quicker thing that people are going to say is the shot in the dark but that was a cool move but it wasn't i think that probably what she should be remembered for i think that her rachel's funeral at the final six i think should be what we look at as her signature move i agree i tweeted it in the moment i was happy to see rachel bring it up at final tribal council as well it it is incredible to get your opponents who are trying to hype up your threat level, but also to sincerely talk about how you're a threat and then to not be able to get you out is incredible. They were doing the jury management for her. I agreed with her wholeheartedly.

Yes, you hyped up my threat level, but then you sat next to me. You can't beat me. You've already identified that I needed to go. Yeah, I'm trying to keep you out of the final three. But at the same time, I did not identify you as the biggest threat. You are somebody who I'm competing against that I feel less confident against with these two, but also

you've already identified that I'm your big bad wolf, and you didn't take me out. I love that so much. And it's funny because way back in the early days of Club Condo this season, we talked about Rachel's signature move being stealing the rice. How quickly have we... No one cares being stealing the rice how quickly have we done we're like no one cares about stealing rice and we're like yeah she had a lot she had a lot of great moments the puzzle that that uh snatches the table into

the water um i think she did she win the house of cards as well she uh didn't lose it caroline lost it yeah she didn't lose the house of cards that's a cool moment she won for immunity challenges um you know and you've seen that up close you know this is an incredible player she has some incredible moments and i think hopefully a lot of people are going to look at rachel and say like yeah rachel is going to be an iconic winner in the new era and people should continue to start uh trying and figuring out where she ranks in your hierarchy of winners because i heard you talking about that with dom a little bit you you put her up against some of the goats you put her up against d i heard maryann's name

come up i was enjoying the conversation yeah i think it's a very hard thing to do because you know her path was a more difficult one than than the other other ones. You know, I feel like that she's sort of like one of these like playoff teams that went like nine and eight and like squeaked into the playoffs and then like, uh, you know, then played like these really exciting games down the stretch. It's like, is that better than the team that went like 15 and two and rested its players and then got the buy? You know, it's just a very difficult road that she had to take to get to where she ultimately got. Yeah.

And she got there and showed up and showed out. You know, it was a great performance from her. I agree. I think that that's a good way of putting it because I think when you're talking to Dom, you were talking about like, oh, Rachel got to the merge and, you know, Dom was saying like,

at that point, she was kind of out of it. She didn't really know where she stood. But from there, she wasn't at the bottom. She flipped to the top immediately. She became in the majority alliance. And then they realized within the majority alliance that Andy, Caroline, Rachel, Sue, who was there a fifth person in the alliance? I think that's it. But anyway, in that alliance, she was the power player in that alliance. So she didn't she never was like at the bottom the whole time, right? She fought her way back to the top. And then from there, had to maintain the lead.

So, yeah, the deep playoff run thing is, I think, the best way to put that. Because, yeah, that's exactly how it looked like to me. You know, like she squeaks into the playoffs. Her record is like, what, 10-6 or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like 8-8, 8-9. And then from there, she just takes off. Joe Flacco elite all the way to the end.

Right. MVP numbers. Yeah. And that's the same sort of debate of like, is he elite? So that's where we are with Rachel. All right. Well, it was an incredible season. Chappelle, you were really on fire tonight.

I got very excited. I got very excited to talk about Survivor. You saw it. We were kind of talking pregame, and then I was like, no, let's do this. Let's talk about Survivor. Let's talk about Club Condo. And so I love it. I love getting to see everybody's arc, everybody seeing how everybody comes and starts it.

You know, what we thought about them on Club Condo episode one, how grim it was for people like Andy, how Rachel was almost not even in the conversation. But then we have this final three that I think a lot of people are going to look at and say they all played good games. And in Survivor, a lot of times, that's not what people are saying. People get to the end and they're like, this person played a bad game. Sue lost,

didn't get one vote, and I haven't heard anybody say she played a bad game. You know, same thing with Sam. And of course, Rachel is our big winner so uh this is going to be one of those seasons that stand out for a long time and that's crazy considering i didn't think i was ever going to watch this show again as far as like after the asia booth like i really was having a hard time showing up for work it was the season of very good players for sure yeah all right hold on i didn't say that i did not say that i think the three that made it to the end played solid games, but I think the ones in the middle, I got some questions about

some of these moves, okay? Alright, fair enough. Chappelle, we had all of our post-game coverage from last week. I went almost four hours with the patrons the other day taking their questions. People had a lot to say about this finale, plus

everything else in our Survivor podcast feed at weknowsurvivor.com. And now we are starting to look ahead to January because we have two big shows coming up. We have The Traders and we have The Return of Adandi Deal, our beloved Deal or No Deal Island. And that is going to be coming back.

So you are not going to get to miss us podcasting together there on that coming up in January. We have our Traders Preview podcast dropping now. We will have even a couple of Dandi Preview podcasts talking about Dr. Will and Parvati and the Golden God, David from Australian Survivor coming up in January, so make sure you are locked in for that. Chappelle, it was also a very exciting House of Villains finale, not to spoil anything.

Wait, did you watch it? I know of it. I absorbed it. I am considering watching it after I heard what happened. You just gotta watch the finale. Rob, I looked, I glanced at the YouTube comments on our House of Villains podcast for the finale. Rob, I looked, I glanced at the YouTube comments on our House of Villains

podcast for the finale. And it is, it is a war zone in there, okay? I saw like 99 comments last time I looked. I was like, oh, y'all going in! I love it! We had such a good time. Jenny and I enjoyed the entire season of House of Villains.

And then, of course, the finale was iconic. One of the craziest things I've seen in reality TV. And if you haven't seen it, go watch it and then go like our YouTube video and hop in the comments and argue because people are mad. People are mad. But me and Jenny had a great ass time. People want to binge it over the holidays. It's a good idea. Check out the podcast recaps at we know villains dot com. It's so good. It's a good idea. And check out the podcast recaps at we know villains.com.

It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Y'all. It's so good. Richard Hatch was there for the survivor. Only people here. Richard Hatch is on there.

Go see how Richard Hatch does on house of villains. He's a, he's one of the titular villains in a, you know, he's, he's there at the finale. Now, what are you doing at the finale?

Check it out and find out. Okay. Chappelle, what else is going on for you? Um, you said don d we're doing a deal or no deal island i am so excited for dealing with the island if you have not checked it out the season one uh what are you doing boston rob was there and he played like he put survivor like back in front of these people's faces and said no you can you can't ignore us. And I saw the teaser trailer for Dondi that dropped, I think today. Yeah.

Yeah. That's really good. Speaking of they know each other. Was that part where you talk about David? I've heard about you. I was like, wait a minute. What's going on? It's almost like she was watching a bunch of Australian survivor at the time she went

to go do Dondi. Right. Why would she be doing all that research about the golden god David over there on Australian Survivor and so when I saw that poverty knew they know each other that she knows of him I was thinking oh god you know the now she didn't go on Dondi last year yeah show up Boston Robbins there what's she gonna do no I'm just saying I don't know I don't know how much Australian Survivor she knew a year ago oh yeah, yeah. No, no. She might have been cramming Australian Survivor. Yeah, maybe.

Again, for some reason or another. But yeah, she's there. We got a maniacal poverty laugh. We got a Dr. Will side. The trailer looked really good. It was so good. And the show was good, too. This is your place to get Deal or No Deal Island coverage.

And so check that out. And then catch me on RHAP in various other ways uh sasha and i are talking about sex lots of college girls on rhap scripted yeah and yeah and then uh i think we got a squid game coming up mike bloom and i will be covering drops the day after christmas yeah happy hanukkah uh we're dropping we're dropping day two of Hanukkah Squid Game every day every day

for seven days each of the seven days of Squid Game right in time for the holiday season so check that out and then of course you can catch me on Recap Kickback

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guesting over on the Was It Good Though podcast. There's a lot going on. Catch it on RecapKickback.com and our YouTube page, youtube.com slash at Recap Kickback. All right, Chappelle, great job. We'd love to hear what you have to say in the comments as well. So we always check them out and hope everybody's having a great holiday this week. We still got a lot of podcasts here to come in 2024 and plenty of big stuff coming up in 2025. So happy to have you here. Part of it to watch all of this,

all these shenanigans with us week in and week out. Thank you so much. Take care. Have a good one. Bye.