RHAP: We Know Survivor - Club Condo Survivor 48 Ep 12

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

This week, Rob and Chappell discuss Survivor 48 episode 12.

I was flipping through the channels the other day, but there was nothing good on, I had nothing to play So I went to my computer and realized that there was so much content before my eyes That there's nothing but Netflix in my heart and on my screen There's always something that did I still haven't seen Yeah, that's right. Club condo is back. Rob Cisternino here for the final club condo of the season before the finale. And back with me one more time to talk about what's happening in the season that gave so much love to club condo. It's Chappelle. Chappelle, how are you? Rob, I'm good. I'm good. Cause I've been looking back at the season and although it's had ups and downs, it's been great for club condo.

We've gotten so much publicity. Jeff loves us. We're the, like, almost like the second or third official podcast for Survivors. So I'm loving it. Yeah. So really just an incredible season for us here. And our role continues as we are blessed to have here with us a man who got this season started with his interviews in Fiji. And now as we head into the finale, we welcome back. Give it up for Mike loom. Thank you. I'd like to declare myself the gangly insist of our HAP and that like, I'm

always present, I'm always here. You kind of just have to like put up with me being a presence always filled Exactly always filled off. I was ready to burst Exactly, and you know what people are able to push through and you know be able to make their dreams come true and earn some rewards Along the way while dealing with me So excited to join you gentlemen for our usual up pen ultimate stop before the big three hour finale. And things look certainly more exciting than they did an hour and a half ago in Survivor Time.

Okay. Well, yes, a lot of intrigue going into the finale. We're 48 hours away from a back to a three hour finale, Mike. Yeah. So listen, I think it is now kind of been out in the open that the two, four hour, two episode finale was a sort of a necessary experiment in case things went a little wacky with the presidential election. They wanted a bit of a fail save.

And so they did 14 episodes. Is that confirmed that I thought that they were like that they needed the extra week. I feel like that's been like all but, you know, officially announced by the powers that be. But we are back to our usual structure, which is one big three hour night that's going to essentially be two and a half hours, including commercials of the final five to the winner being revealed and then like 15 minutes for the after show. And then we look ahead. to the winner being revealed, and then like 15 minutes for the after show, and then we look ahead. Okay, and so Chappelle, this week,

there is a lot of questions about who will win the season after last week. We finally got to see somebody from the strong four go out, and it was Shaheen. What was your reaction to this week's episode? I really like Shaheen, but I only like one version of Shaheen. So there's Shaheen, who's all in on this alliance, who's Joe's best friend, who doesn't know if he has it in him to cut, to make the big moves. And then there's Shaheen who's like, welcome to the party, David.

You know, like that's my guy. My guy was like, Joe, what are you talking about? What do you mean? What are you trying to say to me? We like we like shady heen. We like shady not Shaheen Right exactly like this this other guy I don't know him but the one who shows up here who's confused as to what the hell is going on Bring him back. Let him play some more. I don't want to see this again for Shaheen Yeah, Chappelle likes the one that asked Joe that hey why this is the good times. Why are you walking around here like somebody? pooped in your pancakes Which you feel like he had a very specific experience like listen the man is a master of words He's a speech and debate coach for a reason but I feel like

Pooped in your pancakes in a manner of speaking. It's not something you find in your pancakes in a manner of speaking, it's not something you find in, you know, poor Richard Zalmanak book of idioms. And it's not an expression. Like there's no like alliteration. I mean, I don't know. I guess pooped in pancakes, but that's not what he said. No, maybe he watched a different version

of The Help than I did. Maybe he's thinking like going full Octavia Spencer on those pancakes. Eat my shit. No, I typically will say who pissed in your Cheerios. Like, that's my version. That's what he said in our exit press, right? Yeah. OK. So that's oil.

Someone's breakfast is what you like. It's the same process. Yeah. So he took it to another level. Right. Because pissing in somebody's it's like Cheerios does sound effective. But if you're going to take it to the next level and like shit in somebody's pancakes, like like I feel like that takes effort, like you have to go then and make it,

you have to then mix it, you're going to disguise your shit as the pancake. Oh, you think it's hidden? I just feel like it was like, I didn't think it was like a dollar on top. I imagine like a stack of pancakes and then inside of the stack. Oh, like in the stack?

Wrong. In the stack. And what do you think, is this an idol? Have you ever made pancakes? How could you defecate into the pancake mix and then proceed to- I don't know about the chemistry. That wouldn't work. This isn't a commitment. You are not committed.

You're like, all right, I got to make sure. No, I am totally with Chappelle here. This is the new version of a wolf in sheep's clothing. This is the Allagabler. It's like, I'm going to have you eat a full short stack until it turns into a shit stack. Uh huh. Yeah. These chocolate chip pancakes, Mike, well, there's a cookie or corn or whatever you want to buy.

Like, huh? Yeah, that's different. OK, so all right. That's a new one. That's where the stage is set. Let's just check in, Chappelle. Okay. Kyle and Camilla, that do you feel like, did this, was this enough? Do they have what it takes now to knock off Joe and Eva? The jury has done some wild things, especially in the new era.

So I really don't know. But I will say this. The tone around the community watching the episode has changed, and I'm not quite sure why. It's like we're trying to rationalize it. Maybe they have some type of method to why they're going to the end with Joe and Eva. Because two episodes, we were like, what are you doing?

Take one of them out. Last episode, we were like, what are you doing? This episode, you're like, hmm, okay, I think Kyle of them out. Last episode, we're like, what are you doing? This episode, you're like, hmm, okay, I think Kyle has a chance. Something happened. Something is going on. Maybe it's like just the tone we're getting from Joe. Maybe it's the Joe edit.

Maybe it's just, you know, feedback we're getting from other players on the way out. But now it does feel like if Kyle or Camilla ends up next to Joe and Eva, they're not drawing dead. Whereas for the last, what, eight episodes, we've been saying, don't sit next to them, you'll be drawing dead. So something has changed. I just don't know what it is. I will say that if someone does poop in your pancakes and you digest them,

there's a fair chance you're going to start zoning out the way Joe did. I feel like there's going to be some sort of cognition that's breaking down like you did at Tribal Council. Yeah, Mike, I think this is a really fascinating finale, which is setting up. And yeah, I'm wondering maybe is there a path possibly where Joe does not even get to the final three, because I'm just trying to imagine this scenario where Joe loses a jury vote. And I feel like that the, there is a certain segment of the audience that's

like, Hey hey do something and there's a certain segment of the audience that's like Joe is a saint on earth and if Joe loses to a jury vote that I Do not feel like that that has been set up at all to this audience And I've talked a lot about my mom in the last couple of days about how Joe is just the is a angel on this earth, the greatest guy she was rooting for a nice guy to win. How will I explain to my mom if Joe loses to a jury that didn't like

him? How will I reconcile those two things? Joe loses to a jury that didn't like him. How will I reconcile those two things? Well, I think that something that's given me a lot of pause going into this finale is the idea that, yes, in an ideal season of Survivor, and look, I guess going back to the stool metaphor, some seasons are fluid and some are just rock solid. And this one is just

you didn't do that. We had Cedric on this cast for a reason. It's time. Exactly. Exactly. Cedric knows for a Lacerge like, Oh, I have dealt with many pages. You could have made your point without that. But I think that there's this idea that the idea of momentum I actually think is incredibly important going into the finale of a survivor season actually think, is incredibly important going into the finale of a Survivor season. That yes, ideally, every round of Survivor, something different can happen.

But when the numbers are so small, and I was really trying to rack my brain through the annals of Survivor history and trying to think of like, what winners have had bad penultimate episodes? And by that, I mean, had an episode right before the finale where things did not go their way. Either they were left out of the vote

or they lost someone close to them. Vasepia is a great example. The penultimate episode is when she loses Sean Rector. We mentioned the 47 finale. It's a little weird that it's back to back, but technically Rachel had a bad final seven episode with losing Caroline in operation Italy But I feel like about Jenna Moraska Jenna Moraska another great example. Thank you for that Rob

But I feel like more often than not Winners will have either a good Penultimate episode in terms of things going their way or like a mid to neutral Penultimate episode. And I wonder if it is, you know, correlation or causation. And will that end up playing out here where Joe does get caught a little flat footage? You know, I know that a lot of people have been saying, well, why don't you just go for Joe and Eva? I think Kyle and Camilla had a line of logic they were pursuing of like, no, we want to be able to get to the end and say,

hey, you think Joe controlled these votes? We were the guy who was, we were controlling the guy who you thought was controlling the votes. And for, in a manner of speaking, the third time this season, the Thomas vote, the David vote, and now the Shaheen vote. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a great point. And then, yeah, I mean, we've seen this before, where the person who is the Joe archetype, the person talking about loyalty and honesty and integrity and stuff,

sits next to people, and then those people can talk about the game they played, because they were openly playing a game that, you know, involved them maneuvering and lying and stuff like that, whereas he only gets to sit at the NSA, but I had honor. And then all the people who feel burned by him can then hold him accountable. So you talk about the new era, you know, Mary Ann gets that over Mike Turner.

But even an Australian survivor, you know, the first season was Christie versus Lee. You know, she has an awful, entire awful season. And just finale shows up and they're like, yeah, you know, Lee, he talked about honor and integrity. We hate that. We give it to Christie, you know? So I think it can be done, but I'm with Rob. What are you going to tell the people?

Because the way they gave Joe, even in his bad episode, not be like basically shooting out Shaheen when he didn't have to, sir, we're getting the entire tribal council from his perspective. I mean, we're in his head the whole time. It was like the Joe superhero edit. If he doesn't win, I'd be kind of upset. I'm not even rooting for the guy. So I'm just wondering, and I'm like talking this through, and this is what happens when

you do like, you know, five or six podcasts about a certain episode. I'm really starting to talk myself into maybe Joe is not even going to get to the final three and maybe it's not going to be a case of a bitter jury. Could there be a scenario where for whatever reason, Kyle or Camilla wins the final four fire making? And I talked about this with Bryce earlier today based off of Stephen Fishback's tweet of what would Joe do in the fire against Eva? I suspected, I wonder, could he potentially help her make the fire? Because an evil win, I think would be the same to him as a Joe win. I think that he, I would have a hard, but I don't even want to talk about that. I feel like that I'm wondering if maybe Kyle or Camilla knock him out in the final four fire making And that's essentially and potentially also

Maybe they're going to take Eva into the final four fire making and that he like begs like no, give me the spot Take either I like none of this so wait So hold on in one example you have Kyle or Camilla basically giving up immunity to go up against Joe and take them out. One, one scenario was Kyle or Camilla wins the final four fire making and it, and the, I'm sorry, wins the immunity and ends up with a Joe versus Eva in the fire making and Joe helps Eva. Right. In the other scenario, potentially Kyle or Camilla is going

to take Joe to the final three. And he says, no, give Eva my spot. I want to go into the fire. I cannot imagine how well hell no throw remote control. If it's like, I want to give up not my game. No, no, no. I insist. I throw my own game in front of the trolley right now. Please allow me. That would be truly in the season of altruism. One of the most altruistic things in survivor history. I'm just trying to throw out a scenario because I'm just saying like with the story we've been told, yes, Camilla said, I think it's bad jury management, but she said that about David.

I don't know if we've been given the story that Joe is going to not win this jury over. Well, let me throw out another factor here. And I promise, I know absolutely nothing. I am absolutely ignorant to anything that is going on in survivor seasons to come. Okay. But what if we are facing a Russell Hans in Samoa like edit where Joe is going on to 50. I said this on the note. All's the other night, Mike. I said that, you know, cause I think there was a lot of talk about, could Kyle be coming back for 50. And I think that,

you know, even in the streets that there was like some rumors about somebody from survivor 48 and we had speculated about various players, but I think that Kyle was the name that I feel like I had heard bandied about more. And I had thought, okay, Joe's going to win the season. Kyle's on his way to 50 maybe. And I said on the note, I was like, what if it's Kyle is going to win the season and Joe is the one. And the reason why he's gotten this big edit is a la,

like what you just said, that building him up, just like Russell Hans, just like Malcolm in survivor Philippines, that when survivor knows they are bringing a player back almost instantly, and who knows, maybe was that the case of Aubrey a little bit, where that Aubrey went and that had such a great edit and then went right back for game changers.

Does Survivor build somebody up right before they know they're gonna bring them back? Oh, see, that's the thing. If they're doing that, then maybe Joe is about to do something wild. Maybe he is about to fall on his sword for Eva or throw fire making so that she can go on. Because if he does that, if I'm Survivor, I'm like, I gotta bring him back because why wouldn't we? He said, I think he said twice on this season, I'd lose the game for her. He did. I throw my game for her. But no, but here, but here's the question.

Does Eva consent? It takes two to tango here. I don't know if Eva is so hyper competitive. And yes, the secret scene this week showed that like girlfriends going through it right now, like her her physical strength is breaking down and considering how much she has banked on that as a cornerstone of her life for the past 24 years, like she's also deteriorating mentally.

But I don't know what the competitor in her, if Joe's like, don't worry, I'm gonna throw my game away for you. I don't know if she'd take that sitting down. She didn't mind when Star did it. No, definitely didn't care about that. I don't, I, ooh, I'm trying to find, there's a reason why people think I'm a villain.

I do not support this at all. I don't support this at all. If I'm CBS, that would be a thousand percent why I would bring back Joe. If he does something like that, you're like, bring him back, he's a standup guy. What can you say about the guy? He's done it all, he's given all he could.

He was a great guy, like you just said. Bring him back. But as far as me, the fan, oh, no. Oh, this is disgusting work, Joe. If you give up your game for Eva, you have lost me completely. Like, I'm talking about, there's a list of Survivor players that I don't even talk about because I hate them so much, and you would be on that list. Because we did not do this.

We did not do this all this time for you to get to the end and decide to, like, lay down your sword. You know, we didn't get... Because all these episodes have been the Joe. It's been a Joe show. I just think Joe's story is just to like analyze from afar has been very much that his story has been that this was his sister's thing. And we thought we heard a lot about his sister, his sister. That was this was her dream to go on to Survivor. And I don't know if it was his dream to win Survivor. And he does, he calls Eva sis quite a bit.

And I just wonder is like an evil win, is that a win condition for Joe? But that's the thing, She ain't gonna win either. So he doesn't know that though. He doesn't know. But yeah, if he could figure out that unless he says I have exerted so much control over this game, the way I can secure this win for Eva is if I go over to the jury and I've got a 24 hour mission, should I choose to accept it is to go over the jury and convince them as to why Eva should win the million dollars.

So this season has been, you know, a little bit of, I've called it stuck in the mud. It's been a slog in the post game. I think we have a lot of intrigue in this finale coming up. Maybe not in the first hour, but there's a lot of intrigue in the final four and the final travel council. Well, especially because we also get this like nice little juicy tidbit from Camilla as well. And the next time on of like, I've got a little survivor 46 in me here. I don't know if I want to go to the end with my number one. Please do something. I want them to do something. That's the thing. We have now done all the mental gymnastics to make this interesting. When for the last five weeks, we've been saying, vote out Joe and Eva.

Now we're like, wait, maybe they don't have to vote out Joe and Eva. Maybe maybe Joe will vote out himself. Like, what are you doing? What are we doing, y'all? Come on. Yeah. Fight. Fight. By the way, happy birthday today to mitch I hope you take those candles and you wave that finger to blow them out I'm telling you that's an iconic gist meme. It's going down in history when you do the out list again, mike

It's all there. You just gotta be Yeah, I know it's technically an extracurricular much like pe itself Uh, because it's not technically on the show, but it's so good. It works ironically. It works sincerely. It's just like the stank face on Mitch. It's got everything going. Perfect. Yeah. There's a lot going on besides what's happening in this week's finale and a lot of big stuff going on. And let's go into some social media news because here's a big one and here's something Mike, you could put in your survivor mad libs that you never expected to see happening. Boston Rob on the red carpet with Tom Cruise, my guy, Tom Cruise still crushing.

Well, that's the thing. This is, this is so wild to me because to truly show everything old is new again. I honestly think if you went back 21 years ago and it's the year and our Lord, I mean, Jeff 2004, and you saw these two guys next to each other, you'd be like, that makes sense. Right? Boston Rob will have just come off of proposing to Amber on the way to his wedding. Tom Cruise at the height of at least being one of the most talked about people in Hollywood. And now-

I think Boston Rob, he jumped up on the couch at the Survivor All-Stars finale, right? This is the proposal. I love Amber! I love her! I love my wife. And then look at this 20 years later. Here the two of them are side by side. Yeah. You know, Chappelle, back in my day, when I at least look at pictures of

Boston, Rob and Big Tom, this was a lot different. This little Tom, this little Tom, this little Tom. Don't call me stupid. Yeah. He's so look at him. Look at our glib. So now Tom Cruise as Tom Buchanan. I'm sorry. I can't get it. You have matching suits also?

Also, I mean, what's in the rumor that Tom Cruise is like a little bit of a on the short king side. Maybe he's sizing him up against boss. Maybe it's boss Rob just really leaning on that one leg, but they're pretty comparable to each other. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe some force a perspective here too, Mike. Buster Robb is gonna give me like super tall. Yeah, exactly.

Like the Lord of the Rings, they filmed it in Hobbit Review. Oh, also, like, just, this is just, you're right, Mike, this is really like a time capsule because look at the, even the comments here, Julie Berry, it's like, is this 04? Like, what year is this? Robb, Julie Berry, Dalton Ross, you know, the big three. I mean, the other wild thing about this is I feel like Rob, you've said quite a few times on the record that you feel like Jeff

Probst is the Tom Cruise of reality TV show. Yeah, I think that that's a great metaphor for both Jeff Probst and Tom Cruise. I think that they are both like intense creators that have both had their their aging questioned by skeptics of like how is how have they stayed the same age for so long that Jeff Probst used to do all of his own stunts, but he is like a very much intense guy. I've ever seen like clips of Tom Cruise from the set. And I think that both of them, a little bit at times, feel like a little bit, like not 100% from this Earth.

I thought you were gonna say Jeff Probst used to do Botox, because I was like, yes, absolutely, he's on record. I don't know if Tom Cruise has ever done the botulism, but yeah, I can see it. I kinda see what you're saying. So you want Tom Cruise to play Jeff Probst in the survivor movie that we're probably making? He could, he can see it. I kind of see what you're saying. So you want Tom Cruise to play Jeff Probst in the Survivor movie that we're filming? He could, he would be great.

Yeah, exactly. The thing about a brother and sister is, one of you is missing a parent. Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha! That's how you do it on Survivor. I think that's actually great.

Like, Jeff Probst needs to take some notes. You're at Club Kondo. Mm-hmm. You're doing the Potson Opa. Yeah, bring that back. Bring back more of that. I need more Tom Cruise. More Tom Cruise on Survivor, please.

Thank you. It's very comparable. Right. Tom Cruise believes in the works of L. Ron Hubbard. Jeff believes in the works of L. Ron Clark. It all connects. OK. About dancing on on tables or couches. Yeah. OK. Let's do the comma. Yeah. OK, let's do the comma.

OK, I also want a clip from actually Jeff Probst. I'm sorry. From Tom Cruise, a la Julia Louis Dreyfus, when she met the Rizler of like, I do not know who that man is, but for him. Yeah. It'd be funny to get Tom Cruise like Tom Cruise. Who's that? Yeah. I don't know, he said his first name was Boston something. Okay. He's from the Boston Red Sox.

Okay. All right. Then this is a fun story, okay. You know, let's bring in Charity on Instagram posted this this week, and this is a wild ride. Let's listen in on what Charity has Instagram posted this this week and this is a wild ride. Let's listen in on what Charity has to say. Our Mergetory Booth. Just remember that you were not on Survivor 48, which apparently they play in prison and

a first degree murder paid someone to then pay to find your address and wrote you a letter and send it to your house that called you little baby and that he was yearning for you and your dye tattoo was sexy and that he just needs a fair and equal opportunity to get to know me and that he'll make me so happy. Just remember that is not your life. That's my life. If you're having a- Okay. All right. So, Charity has a new fan. Yeah, unlike this man, there's a lot to unpack there. Not a lot of personal property on the little baby guy who's just got released. First off, let me just say, of this man, dedication.

I will say, this is probably one of the most remarkable survivor origin stories I've ever heard. I've interviewed a good amount of survivor contestants. I don't think anyone have told me, well, I was in the clink. They happen to just have it on the TV. And I, that's what Richard hash told me. Oh yeah. Yeah.

He said that that's how they used to watch that. He kept up with all the survivor in jail and it wasn't easy because the people wanted to watch like sports and stuff. And he had to like get like, you know, it's a pile of politics to control the TV in the prison. And so Richard Hatch was able to do that. But this man, I mean, and

for like charity didn't have like the hugest edit, like rice saw this one, you know, in amongst the other players and said, I am going to Find her and write her a letter and just give me a shot Okay. Yeah Let me just caution all this by saying that this is

incredibly dark material and so my heart goes out to charity because this is sincerely in dark material. And so my heart goes out to charity because this is sincerely terrifying to have the idea of this person leaving prison and trying to find her. And so what we're about to do not sound like that he's leaving anytime soon. I believe I believe she followed up by saying that like a friend of hers has like alerts for this prisoner to find out if he does end up leaving. But all that is to say that I just imagine a trip to the sanctuary where you get a letter from you don't know me, but I know you. Should that be the reward, Mike at the sanctuary, you get a reward from random inmates who watch

the shows. I mean, listen, obviously going to the sanctuary, it's a nice opportunity to remove your head from the game and remind yourself why you're there. Sometimes you also need that sort of like neutral third party of like, well, prisoner number three, four, seven, two is true prisoners dilemma on survival. Steal it or share it. She Pell though. You know what I blame? The freaking humble trait that Charity went out there and was showing like, look at my foot, look at my, look at my jacked up foot. We've all got our humble traits, mine is first degree murder.

Who among us? Look, if he got to deal with her nasty foot, she can deal with a little crime. We don't know why he's in jail. We don't know. This man could be in there for... He said that she literally said first degree murder. It's pretty... Yeah, she don't know that.

Look, criminal justice system is broken. Maybe we need to get inside. I have to hear both sides before I weigh in on this. It is fascinating to me that as we watch this show very closely, we talk about it, we recap it, write articles about it, all that good stuff, And I had no clue Charity had a thigh tattoo. Yet this man from inside of jail was like, ha ha, I see it. He made no, it's very thoughtful prisoner.

Yeah. Unless he's watching on Paramount Plus and he's able to like go back. Like, uh. In hands, in hands, in hands. Yo, no, he's, he's watching it from like, from his phone. Sitting on top of like, like, hoisted up and mounted in the corner. And he can't change the channel cause it's behind some bars as well.

And he still, man, doesn't see it. This might be love at first sight. If you can accept Billy Garcia, why not this? I found love in this prison. Yeah, love. Her name is Charity. Charity from Survivor 48. Yeah, that one. Okay. Now, Mike, in the pre-season,

you spoke to Charity and you asked her about a survivor that she would most like to play like. And I thought that this was certainly interesting timing for this because she, in my recollection, is the only player who ever told you that the person she wants to be like was Jane Bright that she called Farm Strong, correct? Farm Strong, yes. She said that I believe her. I'm reading the quote directly. She says, you know, even Jane, we always called Farm Strong because this woman was out here, bony Skeletor, shout out to Trish, beating these big bodybuilder men in strictly strained competitions. And it's because she worked on a farm and she owned a farm. People who grow up in the country

on a farm, they're built different. And so I just loved her and she's just the kindest, the most lovely woman. I wish they would bring her back for 50 charity. I have some bad news. Yeah. Well, it's of course the news came across the Twitter the other day. Jane bright had passed away. I just thought it was really like a really amazing that, you know, she was celebrated a little bit in this way in charities, preseason press. Yeah. Got a little shine. You know, I liked that. I was a fan of watching Jane on Nicaragua. It's a cracked season. And so you need people like Jane on there to really drive the characters.

And she was a big one for sure. So RIP to the homie. I never got to meet Jane Bright either. I have to put that on, you know, like, oh man, that's gonna be one of the things I like to think about. Like, man, Jane Bright, that would've been nice to kind of come across and see. You should've got somebody like Jane Bright

for one of your old school interviews, Rob. Maybe we gotta start looking older when we go to old school. Make sure we get everybody caught up. All right. Well, she was active certainly on Facebook that we just never ended up getting that one. But Rob, I believe, cause I remember when we talked about, you know,

Charity's interview and the preseason, you had said that you had seen Jane recently, right? Even when they did that North Carolina screening. I saw her at UNC. She came to the Survivor event. So I only saw her in November. Do me a favor and reach out to to Scout. Reach out to Scout and get Scout on the podcast as an old school interview.

She's active on Facebook, too. She's been talking about the season. Yeah. But and that's the thing as well. Jane had also apparently like she had kept up with the show, right? She watched it multiple times, right? She watched it three to four times a week. Oh, yes. Even Survivor 48. Even this. Yeah. I know what you want to say. But yeah, I think that to echo what Chappelle said, I mean, Shane is such a fun character on Survivor Nicaragua. Should be noted,

she is the oldest woman who ends up playing in a season that is due to theme, just like unnaturally skewed towards older players as well. And she kicked their asses. She talked about how despite, you know, how frail she might be looking like she carries around those big ass dogs all day. So she's able to kick everyone's asses, wins two immunity challenges. And truly in a season like Nicaragua, where you have Jane who like catches a fish and hoards it all to herself and eats it alone or her as soon as she finds out she's getting voted out, pours water on the fire because she said, I started this fire.

I'm putting it out. She gets voted the fan favorite of the season. Just goes to show how everyone was so anti Mr. Farty. But I loved Jane because she was so unabashedly herself. So, you know, I hope everything's going okay for her family at such a difficult time. And it's also a reminder to people pay your mortgage. Okay. Just a quick reminder. Yep. Okay. Well, let's bring in another social media clip here from today. And this one is of Jeff probes. Hey, it's Jeff. And I'm going to bring this up and Jeff probes playing a little prices, right game, of course, so much synergy here in the CBS paramount family. Here we go. This is from all winner survivor.

Let me see if I can get this enhance, enhance, enhance, enhance, enhance. So you can see the full frame. Let's see. Do you think that that prisoner is listening to RHAP as well? I don't know. I haven't got any letters. Yeah. Do they, I mean, is there like a communal shower radio that's playing podcasts? Is there a political maneuvers to get possession of that much like the TV? I'd be surprised. Depending on what jelly then he might actually have computer access to. I'm just saying there's a non-zero chance that he can hear this. Hi. We're fans. Okay. All right. Here's Jeff probes. Would you rather price is right? A edition

all winter survivor has posted this. Hey, it's Jeff probes from survivor. Grab your buffs. I want to play Plinko. I like the, okay. So they asked Jeff, would you rather play Plinko or a punch board? This kind of pretty easy question. Why are you, why did I do punch board like this? Why you put it up against a juggernaut? Everybody wants to play Plinko. True. But I guess the thing about Plinko is that there's a lot of spectacle to it, but it is largely in the hands of not the fans. Mike, what do you think punch board is? Well, punch board, at least you can make a motion with it. You know, you could do like

it is quite literally in your hands. Yeah, but it's random. Rob, you still got that Plinko board at your house. I said a little tiny Plinko board. You're good. Does it work? You still got it. Yeah, I still have it. This is interesting though. So yeah, let's, let's hear Jeff's reasoning on it. Cause I think this actually might be very introspective into Jeff's entire approach to the idea of game design.

Predictability of the uncertainty. Here. Let me, let me go back. Okay. I wasn't sure how this worked before I hit play. Okay. I like unpredictability of the uncertainty. All right. Car versus trip. What's Jeff going to say? Jeff Jeff takes a trip two times a year. I think he's done with flying. I think he did. But is he a car guy? I don't think he's a car guy. For a while he was.

Remember when he was, you know, riding shotgun alongside Boston Rob and all stars for Rob was riding helicopters and stuff. Yeah. But he's done jet skis. He's done a lot. I don't know. I put him on Trip Guy. Yeah, I feel like that he gets so many trips though. I wonder if he would want the car.

Yeah, he wants to relax. Okay, let's see. Using between a car and a trip, I'm going car. Just the thought of a new car with Big Bo on it. I like that idea. Oh, he likes to spend money. Yeah. It's not a car for a trip.

Cash. Just go for the green. Here's the thing. All right. Well, we all know what to get. Jeff Probst said as a wedding gift after the fact. Yeah. I mean, it also makes sense. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. We have not had a car reward on Survivor in 44.

What about Survivor 50? Should we vote for that? Bring it back. I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be a good time. Yeah, they go nuts for a car. Okay. They go nuts for less. I mean, they go nuts for Applebee's. Imagine the meltdown over not getting a car. Yeah. Dissolve.

Okay. Bidding one dollar. Yes or no. Why would somebody be no? I think it's like the don't be a dick mover maneuver. It's not being a yeah. It's a poop in your pancakes maneuver. Yeah. OK. Here we go. I think he says yes. The one dollar bid.

You are you are either that person or you're not. And I am. If I look and feel like that's the best move, it's an all in move. You're either right or you're wrong, but I'm going for it. Yeah, it's like the shot in the dark. It's like, eh, I'm just going to go for it. I just remember, didn't we play Plinko on Survivor not too long ago? Isn't that the challenge Ben won? Yeah, that was the final game. It was like pinball Plinko where you'd hold the ball up and then it would be like... See, some of Jeff's interests are starting to overlap.

We might have to get into that. the challenge, Ben one. Yeah, that was the final pinball. Pinball where you pull the ball up and then it would be. See, some of Jeff's interests are starting to overlap. We might see more prices right in the future. Like that yodeling guy who's like hiking up the mountain. Bring him in. Well, isn't it like that? Actually, Eva kind of had that right where she's like, OK, you have your vote back. Do you want an extra vote? Do you want to keep going?

And then eventually you keep going. Yeah. Do you want an extra vote? Do you want to keep going? And then eventually- You can keep going. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Look, I'm just saying, what is it? The Price is Right is a CVS show as well. So, you know, he's been working with these people for a very long time.

I'm not surprised about the price of ratification of Survivor 50. It's coming. Okay. All right. So let's bring in another Jeff Probst clip that he was contacted on a red carpet here to talk to the fine folks over at Letterboxd for the Jeff Probst Top 4 Baby. And of course we will find out on Wednesday night who's in the top four of the season.

But Chappelle, are you familiar with this? No, I don't know what's about to happen. Jeff is going to tell us his four favorite movies. OK, yes. Mike, are you a letterbox guy? So I'm not a letterbox guy. I am for many reasons, much more of a television person than a movie person. And it's 100 percent attention span. But I do like movies.

But yeah, I'm not a letterbox person because I don't watch enough to necessarily feel the need to track it and especially to review it. There are a lot of great, you know, cinephiles out there who have voluminous compendiums of all the movies they've watched and all of their star reviews of everything, not Star 2 Me reviews, and we'll see if Jeff is one of them. So yeah, this is sort of like a viral thing that's been done with a lot of celebrities on red carpets where in your letterbox account, you sort of have like a Mount Rushmore of your four favorite films.

And so these are Jeff Probst's four favorite movies he's about to reveal. Here we go. And get ready because Jeff is ready for this. I don't know if he did his homework, but he seems like incredibly prepared. OK, yeah, it's a tough choice with only four. Your four favorites. One's upon a time in Hollywood by Tarantino, Boogie Nights by Paul Thomas Anderson, and Almost Famous by Cameron Crowe because all three of those filmmakers take you in these giant sprawling worlds, whether it's music or the porn industry or

Hollywood. But then inside there are these tiny personal stories. And I love that kind of storytelling where you feel like you're immersed inside a world, but it's super specific. And then my fourth one. Pause it, Rob. Pause it. Pause it. Okay. Chappelle, you haven't watched this video, right? No, I have no clue what's coming next. I want you to guess Jeff Probst's favorite movie. I can guarantee you will never guess what it is. Can you give me a genre at least? Will that help?

There's so many movies, Mike. I don't know. I wouldn't know where to start. I will say it is a movie from the 80s, and I will say it received some, at least a modicum of love from the Academy at the time. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to guess and be wrong. So just, I don't know.

What is it? I'm nervous now. Everyone in the comments, if you haven't watched this video yet, pause down the podcast and write your guess in the comments. Write your guess. Here we go. Wouldn't be a list if you haven't watched this video yet, pause down the podcast and write your guess. Write your guess. Here we go. Wouldn't be a list if you did not have Do The Right Thing on it. One of the all-time great movies should be noted, wasn't even nominated for an Academy Award.

Driving Miss Daisy, No Disrespect wins. I mean, the contrast of where our culture was at that point is evident by those two movies and one that got recognized and one That didn't one that people aren't talking as much about now one that's taught in colleges all around the world That's my list of my four favorite films. Sheppell, you know what to do Get probes on recap kickback for do the right thing. I Would pay so much money to hear him talk about sweet Dick Willie. I just have so many questions, so many questions.

I don't know what's going on. It's so good because listen, and I say this with love and as a fellow man of alabaster complexion, Jeff Prope is maybe one of the top four whitest people on television. I mean, yes, to have him come from the top rope and say your who's in your top four, Mike, who's in your letterbox top four. Oh my God, Jeff. It's re I mean, Rob, it's really just, uh, oh God, it's like Sophie's choice. Uh, Lee Neistat as well would probably be up there if he was in more TV. Oh, but yeah, I think that to have him come from the top rope saying, you know what? It's gotta be Spike Lee's do the right thing. thing. What a week for spike Lee that, but it would not be a list without do the right thing.

I don't even know what he's talking. Like I'm just like, Jeff, what? Maybe Jeff just loved Danny Aiello so much. in out of the $1 billion dollars. Mike, it's also very Spike Lee film and I still would have got this wrong. It's also really fun because like it's driving Miss Daisy like the Natalie White and Jeff's opinion of best picture winners of like, listen, there's one there's one particular film that gets talked about and it wasn't the one that won that year. That's crazy. I'm just I am.

I have done I have nothing. I got nothing. He's been sitting on his vendetta against driving his baby for so long. You know, that's like a thing like, oh, don't even get me started on driving. Miss Daisy, because he locked up. He was ready. You think that's why he gets so like belligerent when people make the metaphors of like like you can't be in the backseat You gotta drive. It's like yes, because you don't want to be in that frickin loser movie driving. Miss Daisy

Thank you, and can we talk about do the right thing for a second come on Joe Anglem, you know, you think that's why he likes the Final Four fire making challenges Like it's just like in the Oscars when they screwed it up. That now, what if Do The Right Thing had a chance to do one competition to win? So the right, they would do the right thing. Oh my God. I have nothing. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.

It's wild. It's wild because he was ready. He was like, don't get me started on the 62nd Academy Awards. Like, how did you know? How is, why is this on his chest? I love it so much. Jeff, we need to talk.

We need to talk. Get him in a room. Rob, do what you got to do. You got, you got, you got to make this one happen for me. I don't call it anything. How many metaphors do you think Jeff made in reference to do the right thing? It's like, yeah, Shaheen. It's like, well, you've got this pizza restaurant, right?

That's for Justin. Exactly Shaheen, it's like when you've got this pizza restaurant, right? That's Justin. And exactly. Justin, you get me. This guy knows what I'm talking about. Like, radio Shaheen, you understand, you know, like I'm trying to. I'm sorry. This is crazy. Nope. That no notes. All right, Jeff. He's like, all right, listen, Brian Heideck. It's like in Boogie Nights. You understand.

You got it right. One of the top four favorite. I have I feel a certain way about Jeff Prope saying the word porn. I know he's an adult. It still feels a little odd. It's like seeing one of your teachers at the grocery store. Watching a dog walk in the time. Yeah, it's like it's like I saw it.

You need to see it, but it's like fascinating. Just don't want to tap it again. Also, speaking of Boogie Nights, a nice reminder of soon to be winner Joe shouting out another survivor. Don't forget when Joe called Gabler Diggler. Yeah. Hey, it's coming all around. Whoa. OK. Whoa. Also a shocking ending of Boogie Nights.

Let's look at some other things from social media. David posted onto social media said, if only someone had told Eva and Joe that Kyle and Camilla were secretly working together. Dot, dot, dot. Hashtag David was right. See, I don't think David votes for Joe. Right. Like, it'd be like, like, but not because of just the betrayal, but just

because of things like this. Right. If we're making an argument for why Kyle and Camilla could steal this one from a Joe or Evil Wind, it's because people have been telling Joe to do other things. And he's been following Kyle and Camilla right off the cliff.

Voting out Shaheen, Shaheen was ready to vote out Mitch. Hey, maybe that's a mistake. But then also voting out, you know, vote David here when Kyle and Camilla were working together. It was a fact. He was right. And so maybe he's going to hold that against him. If I may just expand on what we were talking about earlier about the idea, the possibility of Joe does not even make it to the final tribal council. Mike, do you feel like, because

I almost wonder like if Joe made it to the final tribal council and Mike, do you feel like, cause I almost wonder like if Joe made it to the final tribal council and lost by people voting, like would somebody like David like keep the cards closer to the vest of how he feels about the guy knowing that, okay, this is going to, there'll be some drama around how I'm going to vote. If Joe didn't make it to the final tribal council, they've never got the chance to get back and not vote for him. See, that would apply if we didn't choose as an example, the one person that up to this point had probably no idea that survivor social media exists, you know, like if there was a more savvy person

who knew the way that this meta works when people pop off on social media, it would make a lot more sense that it's like, well, listen, I'm talking about an outcome that never happened. So let me just sort of flat my gums about it. David is really for, you know, his new career flying blind when it comes to a lot of this discourse. So I would not necessarily assign it to him. I do want to bring something up as well, Rob, because I know that you and I have both seen the fact that over the past like four or five weeks now,

plenty of people on their way out saying like, yeah, I knew Kyle and Camilla were a thing. Shaheen's the most recent example of being like, well, I actually had a secret deal with Camilla as well. I was fine with it because Kyle and Camilla were working with me. How much posturing do we think this is? And do we think this has any impact as to like why it's being sold to us as so undercover?

So underground, much like the five star movie holes. Yeah. I just feel like that there's nobody's acting like they know about it on the show. Yeah. They're talking about power couples and duos and they're never bringing them up, which is crazy. I think you're constantly talking about how like, Hey, nobody knows where to do. There's only a few people left. There's like, dude, they were saying that at the final six, like nobody knows we're close. How there's nobody else here by now. No one knows that you're close. That's crazy. Yeah. It's like that community scene when they're like, Oh, you can ship

any two people together. I feel like you just have so much time out there. You have to run through all the sort of ramifications of like, what if so and so are working together? I wonder what that would look like. Yeah. Especially when David goes out beating the drum that this happened. It's like, how did he do all of that? And he's just like, he's crazy.

We'll never consider that as a possibility. And then literally never consider it as a possibility. He was right there. The man was like hollering it from the rooftop. I'm sure Mary didn't just go out quietly. I'm sure she said the same thing too. I don't know. It is wild that they were able to do it, but it's been a weird season, y'all.

We've been dealing with so much. Yeah. Okay. Here's something that is also a little out there. Okay. So the clip of from survivor all-stars of the Shapira fake tribal council was circulating again, thanks to survivor quotes and interesting nugget came out of this that I did not remember. Here is me as the timeless Jeff Probst. All right. Who? She mama tribe. First. Okay. The tribe name was who? She mama say reposted. Wait. So who's

going to tell me that Rob's district was also head who?uchi mama. See Rob. I knew I liked you as a human Rob, I didn't even know you were the first person to say Huchi mama on Survivor. You coined the term. These Huchi mamas are obsessed with me. Though weren't you just in production meetings for the upcoming season of what? Like Survivor, Huchi mamas versus F boys versus crones. I don't remember. I don't even have the recollection of it.

Maybe that's early. Yeah, shots fired at Saboga dude that you're like, here comes those hoochie mamas of Rupert and Keith Weston and Ethan. And Rudy. Jenna Lewis catching strains for no reason. Yeah. I don't remember why it was called that. I want to say it was a Big Tom suggestion, but I really don't recall

I know you made whochi mama. Yeah, I just really Like he should have saved it then for like the merch tribe of like she'll bogey moge. Oh, that's Bizarre things he used to say like Rob and Amber are gonna make the survivor baby and they're gonna name itbar. And he would constantly say that over and over again. I was like, why crowbar? I don't know. Is that a name? Is that a name? Big Tom, like, is he the voice behind chat? GPT of like, Oh no, anything works. He was hallucinating. He was very drunk. A of times. Like they gave us like a bottle of scotch in the care package and he drank a lot.

Why did they do that? They don't give me players, a thimble of wine anymore. They're going to give survivor all-stars that whole bottle of scotch and starve them. In the game. I was with big Tom who would just like run through the same things over and over and over again. And then out of the game I was with Rudy and he would just go through his loops of the things that he would say over and over and over again. You're basically living in West world out there in Panama, Robert. They just kept repeating the same cycle. He would say to me things like, you know, rich is queer. I was like, no, I know. Yeah, I know that. I know. Yeah. Maybe they, maybe Rudy got replaced with the action figure of Rudy,

where he only had a few catchphrases. If you pulled the string and they put him out there on the island. Yeah. And he would go through like all of like the like roast of his tribe. And there's a lack of bargains. Yeah. He said, Eason, I've been seeing the girls that he's been running with. And he ain't getting no bargains. I've been seeing the girls that he's been running with and, uh, he ain't getting no bargains. I don't even know what that means.

Is that a compliment of like, you can get a high clientele. Is he, maybe he's the one who called them who she was a Rupert. He's a, he's a real act there. That part. He wasn't wrong. Rudy was not wrong. Yeah. I don't know about Ethan's bargains, but he was right about Rupert. He was just like, tell me the same, the same things all the time. And then like, I'm still, I'm still back on crowbar. I'm sorry. Does

this man know what a portmanteau is? He's like, Oh, this, this works. I was trying to go to, no, I think it was like the literal object. Like, I don't think that that was... He was... Rob plus Amber equals Crobar. Yeah, I don't think there's anything there. Well, I mean, he was very, again, Romber was a thing for a while. It's like sort of close to Crobar.

Like if people have an astigmatism and they look at the word robbery, sort of think it's Crobar. He squints a little bit, yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't know, but he did, you know, he also called it pretty early on, okay? Say also has been, you know,

that it's not just Shaheen, who has made a name for himself remixing the Surviv survivor audio cues. Here's Say giving her own sound effects. Oh my God. Mike. Oh, my God. We might. Yeah, all right. Well, listen, I sorry to the person that just lost their job in post-production

because it seems like say is going to be brought on full time. Do some ADR here because just pitch perfect. I that was like the willhelm scream to the max. The Camilla one was the best one. Because it's the way she looks over to the right, like she sees the camera looking at her defecating. She was taking a shit in somebody's pancakes, apparently. I don't know if that's what the sound effect is for everybody.

I love Say. I love Say because you know it's annoying them. You know, like it's probably driving them crazy. It's like, how does she keep getting away with this? You know, she's able to go on the show, be this huge character. She's beefing with everybody. So polarizing. And so she's just poking at them, making videos of them farting and stuff.

And I'm I'm obsessed with it because it's giving so much Bob Saget in America's funniest home videos. You can be like, oh, here I am. I'm a dog. Oh, I tripped and walked, fell down the stairs. Like say, it's just trying to do the dub. Say, did the dub over these people in the challenge. Yeah. So what do you think of Shaheen's beat boxing and creating the tribal screams, Mike? I mean, I gotta love it. Listen, I know that some people felt like we've done it too many times, but listen, I am a huge commit to the bit until a bit don't commit no more. And this guy was loyal to the soil, not only with Joe and Eva,

but also with the soundscape he was creating. So I loved it. I was trying to get clarification. I don't know if you brought this in where he said that he was doing a shout out to Penner, and I think we were able to suss out that that was him turning back and doing the oh waka-daka in lieu of you know, like Then he watched the episodes like I missed it But yeah, then him coming back into like or him going out singing a melody

Right because if for those who don't remember when Jonathan Penner was voted out of Philippines He was whistling the Survivor theme song, he popped out of frame, and then he memorably pops back in for like one last little, that's all folks, type of iris closing on it. So, I personally like it. I mean, this ended up being like a surreptitiously musical season of Survivor, I would argue more so than the season

that had the actual musician on it two seasons ago. I don't know, I don't know. That's tough. Because we were spending whole episodes being like, how many songs can you name? You know, like, that was like, they were like, we're making Survivor longer than ever. And then we spent 45 minutes of people just being like, so, tell us what songs go, you know?

Yeah, but then this one had people actually being like, you know, a la mama cast, make your own kind of music. Like, no, I'm making a trap beat on the island and I'm talking about my enemies are plotting. Yeah, that did happen. I forgot, man, this season's been a long tale. I forgot about my enemies are plotting. Post-Merge has honestly been a fever dream. Where like, it felt like reality was not really making sense.

There were these random moments of like, wait, there's a fly on Joe's head. Wait, why did everything just get drowned out all of a sudden? Okay. David stood up for some for no particular reason for an extended amount of time. Stars wrapping them were having the full unreleased track verbatim spelled out for us. This was, I think, a wilder time than you might think strategically, absolutely a bit more run of the mill by the books. But I think in the effort of trying to fill out the time with these 90 minute episodes, we have discovered all these odd little nuggets about these people that the editors have thrown in for us. Yeah. It's been a weird season in the 90 minute era because it's been the like first season of the four where

the game has like a little bit been slowed down. And like, this has been a point where, you know, that I don't know if we necessarily needed the 90 minutes for these post merge episodes, but we got it. We needed 90 minutes when survivor was trying to figure out if we needed 90 minutes or not. You know, it was the early days of 41 where they're like, we're doing the, the, the secret phrases and we're flipping the coin and we're Monte hall. Like we're doing all those things. All those things are gone now. And we're like, okay, throw 30 minutes. It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I don't know if anybody's made this point, but I feel like that Survivor really needs 90 minutes in the pre merge and I feel like that Mike it maybe is like a little unnecessary in the post merge game Maybe other than a couple of episodes along the way But I feel like with the three tribes like, you know, you could definitely use up that time But once we get to the post merge like sometimes there's just not that much going on. Yeah, a couple points on that. First, I agree that I think a lot of shows that exist now in 90-minute episodes

can have points in time where they should be reduced. The Challenge runs for 90-minute episodes. Drag Race runs for 90-minute episodes. And I've always said with Drag Race, after Snatch Game, reduced the time. And we saw it with Amazing Race as well, even in a really good season like this, the smaller the people are, the more they have to create the amount of content to fill the same amount of airtime.

And it's just really impossible to distribute that way. And this is where, honestly, the streaming model would come in a lot handier because it's like, we don't have to create X amount of content per episode. Hey, if this episode wants to run 40 minutes and nothing really happens on it, that's fine. The other thing I would say that they could go for is what we ended up kind of getting through this unorthodox double finale last season, which is like squashed two boots together into one episode. That's something that I think, especially in retrospect, when we have these sort of comparable Pugongings in the form of your Redemption Island and South Pacifics

and even like a Caramohan at a couple points. They did a couple of these episodes where it's like, yeah, we're just gonna put two rounds into one episode because it's fairly by the books and we don't want to necessarily devote an entire other episode to this. Yeah, I mean, even Big Brother is like, we'll extend episodes, but only sometimes. You know, like, uh, we'll do longer episodes, but once a week.

Once a week. Well, Thursdays, I believe, which is, isn't it Thursdays? No, it's Wednesdays. No, it's a Wednesday. Oh, that's even worse. See, that's Big Brother boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. You know, uh, you gotta cut this out. Yeah. I think there are certain times where-

Where eviction night would make sense. No. Yeah, eviction night would make sense, but sitting through an hour and a half of like the tiny veto is going to kill me. And so, uh, yeah, we got to figure out something, but you're right Rob, I think in the pre-merge, when you have so many people you need to introduce, so many relationships you need to explain, that's where you lay all the groundwork.

And then when we get to the merge, we understand all that. And we can, you know, maybe just reel it in a little bit when it comes to the amount of time we're spending, especially in some of these challenges that don't matter. Okay, Mike, we've always looked ahead to the reunion show, but it's the Survivor After show this time around. Is there anything that you think that we will explore in the Survivor After show?

Anything that needs to be revealed to this cast that we might see pop up on the Survivor After show? Oh, I think in terms of reveals, get ready for a we got the soft launch last week of Kyle's a secret lawyer. I think it goes full out to the jury in this upcoming episode. I don't think Kyle would say it if he were sitting in a final tribal council because I think that would be honestly be a foolish endeavor, especially with this cast to be like,

I have a secret for you all. I'm actually a shadily regarded profession rather than the, you know, more moralistic teacher that I said I was. But I think that we are going to get a moment at the at show, especially since to your point, Rob, this was not a very secretive season. I think there was a lot of open cards with the way a lot of these people were playing that Kyle could have this big reveal of, no, I'm actually a lawyer.

And listen, the grand pantheon of comparing this to Sue is 45. I think this would go over a lot better than Sue's big epiphany did. I just, I don't know, man. I don't want the finale to be a flop. I think that when we were going into, when we were going into the Dandy finale of this season, we were like, what are we actually going to even watch? And then deal or no deal became the most entertaining show that ever existed to me in that, in that one episode. I'm hoping that maybe there's some fireworks in the finale that will make any more interesting because otherwise email

it to me. You know, I don't necessarily. I have some trepidation on the three hour finale here in terms of, cause I feel like there's not a lot of drama in the final five. I feel like that. Yeah. And they tend to dedicate like the first hour of airtime to it because it's the only one that has like a challenge and a reward usually and a vote in it. Because I really feel like at the final five, I feel like it's going to be like a lot of like Mitch, like guys, come on, let's make a move. And they're all just going to be like, I, Mitch, you're going home.

And yeah, that's, that's the thing as well as that you could argue on paper. Okay. It's just like a, the two V two with what in the middle. It's the Marquesa all over again. But because Kyle has locked himself so much in with Joe and Eva through this whole Shaheen thing, it wasn't like Kyle drew a line in the sand. It was like, it's you two versus us two. I think it's very easily going to be like, okay, either Kyle vouches for Camilla and is like, no, we should keep Camilla along.

And then it becomes the two V two showdown at the final four. Because Mitch essentially doesn't have a buddy. He gets left out of the partnering here. Yeah. But what if he wins the challenge? What if he wins immunity, Rob? And now we get some intrigue between the two pairs.

We get, you know, Kyle having to pick between Camilla and, you know, being honest with Joe and staying true to Joe. So I think I, first of all, I'll believe that when I see it. I think it's maybe more likely that maybe Kyle and Camilla are flirting with, maybe going with Mitch and voting out Joe and Eva, and then Joe wins immunity and Eva plays her idol, and then it's like,

okay, wow, bye-bye, Mitch. Mm, yeah. Oh, yeah. The idol that they all know about, that they just allowed her to get this far with this crazy. This is crazy. This is crazy. We have not talked about enough how she still has all the advantages. Like she did not lose one. They didn't flush one. She didn't use one. Well, I mean, she just has the idol like the Sage of the Power Expires.

All this season is... But she had it, is what I'm saying. They never even tried to get rid of it. Well, I think something that has been talked about a bit is Eva, in particular, the Xander of Survivor 48, where it's like, we're looking at it being like, she has all these trinkets. Why does no one want these trinkets? And it's like, well, the reason why is because nobody really wants to get rid of her

because they don't necessarily see her as a threat. But still pretty objectively wild to me that two episodes ago, Eva's like, this is what I'm going to do at the final five. And they're like, we want to see you do that. Go ahead girl. Yeah. So what will they talk about at the survivor after show? I think, I think, I think we're going to get, I think we're going to get, yeah, that's the thing. I think we're going to get not a lot that's the thing. I think we're going to get not a lot of revelations, but I think a lot of personal content. Cause I will give, I give a lot of

kudos to this cast. Again, I really do feel like individually they're really engaging people and especially their backgrounds and what brought them out there. I mean, I was out there on that first day and it was, you know, wild to see some of these people talk about all the stuff they got through and how Survivor was able to kind of like nudge itself in there as a part of their lives during a very tumultuous period that decided to have them joining up as a player as well. So I think also to answer your question of like, what are we going to fill up the first hour with?

If that's Mitch's last hour, I think we're going to get a lot of like what Mitch has been able to overcome. Maybe we'll get another reference to your girl, Christie Rob. And I think we're going to be focusing a lot on that. Why do you think they would reference Christie again? I don't know. That was the first thing that you like, Hey, swing vote in this one. They're going to have to work with me. I don't know about that. Yeah. Unfortunately, Mitch does not have a loved one to gloat to about unlike Chris. I mean, I guess like Christie that he would like, like maybe overplay his hand as the

swing boat. And then they said, Hey, everybody was just brought up Mitch tonight. Yeah. So I think that we're going to get a lot about like for him and for Eva and for a lot of these players, like what you overcame to get out here and what did you learn about yourself? Again, I think Kyle really unlocked what the ethos of this season was a couple episodes back when he said like, this is a season that is driven by emotions and driven by relationships. And that's what I think primarily Jeff will want to talk about with these people over like, so when you made this move at the final seven, what was going through your head? This is not the cast to talk through with that.

Okay. Chappelle, anything else you want to say before we head into the finale? Um, well, you know, this was also a very bad year for the RGP draft for me. Oh, and not just for me, Rob, the draft has come down to Liana and Pouya. Oh, that. Yeah. Uh, well, I know. And I think Asia might still be in it. I think she has Mitch. So Liana, Pou, and I think Asia might still be in it. I think she has Mitch.

So, Leona Puya in Asia. So, Leona Puya. Puya has two people. He has Kyle and Eva, and Leona has Joe and Camilla. I just don't, I want to give them their flowers. But dear God, the rest of us got decimated. Like, it's not even close. Shannon was out years, decades, I know it seems, which is hilarious.

And she should probably be put last in the next draft because of that. But yeah, I just think it's so hilarious that I looked at the board today. I hadn't been keeping track of it because I too have been out for a very long time. Um, but yeah, between Joe, Camilla, Kyle, and Eva, they're basically on two teams. Uh, a great draft for the Puyo-Leon household. That's nothing. I mean, that's and I love the fact that also both major pairs are split between the two.

Right. Like the trophy or the sash or whatever you all give away to the draft winners is going into their household. But also, they're both so hyper competitive that they're not necessarily resting on their laurels or their Yanis here by being like, Oh, well, we both win here. You know that one of them wants to be the one to actually get it. Mm hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. No, Rob, the finale is coming.

I'm ready. I love when the Survivor season ends. I like when it starts and I like when it ends, because when it ends, we get to, you know, look forward to new Survivor. We're going to meet some new faces, hopefully some with some Riz. And then we're going to think of, and talk about what comes next. 49, 50, big brother.

So yeah, this is always a fun time for me. Okay. Mike, what about for you? Anything else? Well, I, as we mentioned at the very top of this, again, this was a very different season. And it's been really intriguing to watch sort of like modern survivor discourse kind of fit the square peg into the round hole that was this season of just the gameplay was not what we have seen in really, I would say, survivor from the past, like 10 plus seasons. And to be able to see this type of game exist in this hyper modernist structure. I think that's also something that really intrigues me about this final tribal council is like, again, the way that some of these people have been approaching this game has been entirely different from the way the game has been

talked about and the way people think it should be ideally played for years at this point. Can the job be finished then? Can someone who is preaching this game in this particular way actually go on and win a modern season of Survivor? And if so, what does that mean for what's to come afterwards too? Because if we get into a Survivor 50 where there are a lot of old school players who might subscribe more to this mentality, does that give them the clearance to feel like they're okay with playing this way? And they don't necessarily need to give the latitude of like, well, I guess I got to cut my allies and find all the advantages because that's the only way to play Survivor. I think that things have really started to heat up right towards the end here. And again,

compared to seasons in the past, most recently last season where it was more so like, okay, let's see how so-and-so is going to win the game based on an edit perspective, a momentum perspective. I really do feel like this is a two horse race with no offense to the other three. Maybe there's like an outside shot of Camilla coming over the top somehow,

especially if Kyle is not in the final three. But I do think it's become more competitive than we may have thought. And I'm really intrigued to see what this finale is going to mean for Survivor moving forward and how that might immediately inform what's to come as well as other newbie seasons to come as well. So consider myself sat, unlike David, a couple episodes ago, for this three hour extravaganza. And to get the chance to talk with this cast as well, because, again, I, especially with Shaheen,

I know, Rob, I'm probably putting words in your mouth as well, but I really relish getting to like, get in his head, this is one of the first people we got to talk to in a while, who was part of this strong alliance, and to find out from his perspective, like, why did you think you could beat Joe? Why did you feel, why did you think you could beat Joe?

Why did you feed? Why did you want to stick with this alliance? And I think that's always a good perspective to have because with the exception of that one, one, that one minute Hunter S Thompson scene from Joe at Tribal Council, like we can't get inside these players heads. We don't know exactly what their headspace is due to the edit. And so I'm grateful for the chance to talk with these people the day after the finale to get a lot of their thoughts as to the moves they were making,

the lack of moves they were making and ultimately how we can then recontextualize what this season has been as a result. Okay. What a season of club condo. We will be back again after the finale. Also to talk about Chappelle, you think we'll get a club condo reference in the survivor after show. We need to, we should. It's basically club condo. I think that at this point we've established that there's so much overlap between the two things and Jeff's been talking about it all season. Why would he not bring it back for the finale? And I can't wait. I can't wait

because it's got to be canon at this point. We got to bring it in. Survivor 49 is coming bring back more club condo conversations and bring back the club condo podcast. It's a great time here. All right. So this was a fun wrap up to the, I think it's the last podcast I'm doing before we get to survivor 48 finale. So lots of fun discussion this week. If you missed any of it, had a great conversation with Charlie on Thursday and just did a great interview with Bryce earlier on Monday. So be sure to check out all of that. Mike, what's coming up for you so much. There is a lot of great stuff happening in reality TV. So I mentioned it before. The Amazing Race 37 just wrapped up.

It was a really, really fun season. Talk about old school elements in a new school setting. Got the chance to talk about that with Jess as we wrapped up the, much like Survivor 47, they tried a two night, three hour finale broken up across two episodes and talked about how everything shook down, talked with the final four teams, which was a really fun experience. That's another one where if you watch Amazing Race, you know there were certain questions that had to be asked to a certain team.

And so I really encourage people to check out their answers to get their side on their perspective onto things. And then, listen, the third member of the big three of CBS didn't want to be left out. And you mentioned this before, Rob, but Big Brother last week had some big news to share. We have a premiere date, July 10th. We have 90 minute episodes happening on Wednesdays and we have a brand new bi-weekly alumni panel

show, Big Brother Unlocked happening. And so I got together with Terran Armstrong on the reality flash to break down what this means, you know, our trepidation, our fear, and our excitement as to what that might indicate for Big Brother 27. I also did a reality flash about the up fronts as well for all the new reality TV or returning reality TV that's happening this fall.

On the B&B, in case you wanna to hear me talk more Survivor for whatever reason, we had a Mon on there. Listen, pretty sure it was a Mon and not Chappelle doing his best say impression and trying to do like the the voice for a Mon while he's talking. But a Mon came on. We did sometimes. Yeah, exactly. We did our we did our buffer snuff where we rated the Survivor outfits. It was a lot of Shaheen and Mary.

Those two have been selling the clothes, clothes not literally but selling their outfits this season So you can check all that out and i'm sure much more to come the last of us has its finale on sunday I'll be doing that with grace leader and plenty of stuff the last thing I will tease I will put out there into the ether is that not the the Ethan or Eason, if you will, is that we're encroaching upon the 25th anniversary of Survivor. And we might have something up our sleeves for such a special occasion,

but you'll find out about that in just a couple days. Otherwise, until then, you can check out everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type. Okay, and then Chappelle, what's coming up for you? You can catch the Nothing But Netflix podcast content because we're talking about Sneaky Links coming up. It's a show that's guaranteed to be messy. Sasha and I are going to talk about it on Nothing But Netflix.

It's a group of sexy singles arriving at a motel and discovering that the other guests are their situationships, the people they've been hooking up with. And so now that they're put on front street with their sneaky links, they have to decide if they want to like make this official or, you know, continue to do all their dirty dealings in the back, in the dark. And so go check that out on the Netflix podcast for coverage from me and Sasha. And then, of course, Recap Cake back, of course, where you can find other stuff. What's up, Mike?

OK, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Breaking news are happening now. I've got something major. I don't know, Mike. It looks like a physics to me. I think that's a fake. Fake, fake news. Before Mike Bloom gets faked out.

Fake news. All right. I want everyone to know that. I don't know. I just want everyone just want everyone to, I'll float something out there. If anything, if anything breaking news is happening, follow a Mike Bloom type on social media. He will have it. Okay. All right. There we go. There we go. Wednesday should be a fun day. No matter what. Thank you so much for joining us, everybody. We will see you after the survivor 48 finale. Take care. Have a good us. Everybody. We will see you after the survivor 48 finale. Take care.

Have a good one. Bye.