RHAP: We Know Survivor - Danielle DiLorenzo and Izzy Gleicher Talk Cirie Fields | The Survivor 50 Files

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Today, Brandon talks to Danielle DiLorenzo and Izzy Gleicher about Cirie Fields' time on Survivor and Big Brother.

What is going on guys? We are back again. How you doing? Listen, we're having so much fun already. Everybody. We're here talking serenely. You can hear her voice. It's Danielle DeLorenzo.

We've been having so much fun before we even hit the record button. Danielle, how are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing really great. Now that we're situated, we're situated. We're situated. That's what we can talk about is we're situated. And we're here to talk. It's the Survivor 50 Files. We're talking Suri Fields. She got up off the couch. Danielle was there on her first steps off of the couch, Suri. And now our first ever five time or one of our first our first ever five time a woman who's ever played survivors.

So a lot to talk about here, but let me start Danielle. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing good. I am, you know, I'm a mom now. I got two babies, so I stay busy with, with with my kids and yeah I'm doing good. This is like all so fun to kind of like get back into like survivor mode and like you know dive in deep to all the conversations from the past and like it's been so long so it just feels good to

kind of get back into it so I'm happy to be here. Oh here. I'm thrilled. Before we even talk about three or survivor 50. I want to just I want to share a personal anecdote. It's you know, so we season 45 is on it's October of 2023. All of us are there for the Rob is a podcast live show that was in Brea. And the morning of the show me Kelly and D, we go to the coffee bean, we got to get a coffee, you know, it's eight in the morning, I don't drink coffee, but I'm up and I had the coffee bean. We gotta get a coffee. You know, it's eight in the morning. I don't drink coffee, but I'm up. And I had the rental car. So we all pile in the car, we get coffee.

And Danielle, we see you at the coffee bean. You're at the coffee bean. I know, that was the best day ever. Oh my gosh, I was so stoked. Like I was like half asleep. I just dropped my son off. And I was like, I need a coffee. And I like, you know, walk in never like in my like, it's crazy.

Like how I just remember being like looking at you guys and being like, No. I knew right away who you are. And I was just like, What do I do? Like, do I go up to them? Like, do I stand here and let them notice me? Like, I was like, it was the best. You know, D, I know for a fact, had not ever watched, you know, survivor, like, you know, past like the few seasons of the new era at that point. And Kelly, I wasn't sure if she had seen you, but I was like, oh, my God, it's it's like it was crazy, you know, for all of us.

We were we were having such a fun time and we chatted. You were so nice. And now look at us. We're here. We're back. I know. Danielle, so you had posted before we get into three, you had posted that you were contacted for survivor 50 early on when they were, you know, doing their initial calls. But tell me what about survivor 50 for you was like, what was pulling you back in after 15 years? What was the most exciting prospect of getting to saddle up and go back out there? Yeah, I mean, I always said like, I played twice,

and I came so close the first time I came in second. And then I feel like I went out really, in a really difficult way with with Russell and having like an emotional breakdown during tribal council. And I just have more fight in me. I just know like I'm stronger, smarter, wiser now. I'm 20 years older. I just have a lot to bring to the game. Being a mother now and just it's just a whole different dimension and I you know it would be so incredibly amazing to get out there again and just like see what I have. Because I know I have, you know, a heck of a lot more fight in me. And I think that I have a really great shot of winning if I could have one more chance.

And I always said that when people were like, would you play again? And I'm like, yeah, I would. I would play one more time. Because I feel like third time's the charm. And, you know, I can really have a good shot at winning that million dollars. And, you know, I'm really have a good shot at winning that million dollars. Oh, go ahead. No, no, no. I was just saying like I, you know, I played like so long ago that like back, you know, now there's this whole new era of the game and I am aware of the involvement of the game. So I, you know, I feel like I would bring my awareness of that as well as like the old school mentality into it and then just make like a really interesting dynamic and see how I

would play. Have you ever stopped watching Survivor or you've watched this whole time? You've watched all the way through. I watched the whole time. I'm obsessed. We're learning, you know, just from talking to some folks who, you know, who know Colby and Stephanie, like they hadn't watched. And then now they're just going back and catching up, which I think having somebody who has been committed the entire time, whereas like the folks who are coming back to the season 50 from the era of the time that you played, but even Suri, I think has taken a couple breaks in terms of watching you having seen all of the new era people who are going to be there, I think would be like such an invaluable asset that the other folks that are going there, they don't have

like they're going to be doing it on the fly. Right. And they're probably going to be playing a lot like how they played before and not kind of being aware of like the new era. And I think that might work against them. Yeah. Well, tell me like we have the I'll show you the group here. How do you think you would have gelled in this group? Where, where, where are you leaning in this group?

If you're there, just, you know, take Suri out of the equation and you're in the Suri spot, like how does that feel for you in terms of who you're there with? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of new era players. Um, so, which would be really, really fun, you know, in different, um, the only people that I really have, I played with Stephanie and I played with Colby, obviously Suri, and I played with Coach. But everybody else would be new and so it'd be like fair game and I think I

would have like a really great shot. Like I don't know, let me think who I would even, I think Mike White is really intriguing. I love Charlie. He's from Boston. I'm from Boston. I think that we would jive. I D I love D. Aubrey's interesting. I feel like you know we could her and I could do some do some work and Geneva. I don't know about Geneva. I don't know if I would trust her. And Ozzy. Oh my god. I like just seeing him would be like, I'd be a little like star struck a little bit because he was like, real survivor. Well, let me, let me ask you about Surrey. You know, you, I don't know, think back to, you know, your 2005, you're leaving for Panama, you're in the pregame.

What's the first impression that you have of Suri when you're seeing her from a distance? Um, I mean, she doesn't look like super intimidating and like, like, like she's going to be like a challenge beast or anything like that. She just looks like a mom and she looks like somebody that is approachable in a way. like a mom and she looks like somebody that is approachable in a way. Um, and she's like very, very social and nice. And yeah, I mean, I didn't like ever look at her and be like, Oh, she's going to be like this like crazy manipulative strategic like person, you know? And that's, and I think that's a lot of people underestimated her in that

aspect because she didn't come out like this powerhouse, like super challenge beast and workhorse around camp. And so she didn't like, there weren't red flags going up around her all the time, but what people weren't really understanding is that she is very manipulative and she's gaming all the time. And she's working the social aspect of the game, the strategic aspect

of the game and that's like that's that can be really dangerous. I mean look at Camilla, I mean we just saw how dangerous that can be when people are not really like looking closely at someone they're underestimating them. You know they're working circles around them behind their eyes, you know. So it's just. She was doing that while you guys are on this, you know, Casaya camp, you know, which, you know, people complain about the new era, that there's not enough, like arguing and infighting among people. The Casaya folks, you guys are arguing. There's a lot of intense personalities for the group that you guys had.

Talk me through living through that. What is that like having like being in that element? You know, you're hungry, you're tired, and then you have people who are just bickering all the time. Because really, like, with with few exceptions, that doesn't really exist now in the new era where everybody is more amiable a lot of the time. For sure. Yeah, I mean, I think it just made the experience a lot harder because you're

like so depleted. You're so lethargic. You're just like this is such an insane experience that if you have more support while you're there through the people that you're working with and like people are more kind and, you know, empathetic towards you in this situation. Like it can be a better experience. Like if you're with like grumpy relatives that you haven't seen and they're just like not nice to you all the time. Like, and they just will berate you and, you know, kick you down and like, it's like, that's not fun.

So yeah, it didn't make it, it didn't make it fun. Well, it's funny because, you know, Sarie's going to encounter like a lot of, you know, of the more intense personalities, like a Q, for example, somebody who is like a little bit more antagonistic, you know, but you saw Suri in person, like deal with a Shane type or a Courtney type, you know, how was Suri dealing with that personality type? Like how did you like observe her in that element, like having to kind of, you know, work with somebody who is a little bit more on the intense side. Yeah, she's just like very bubbly. And like she has the ability

to just kind of like laugh things off and make people feel like unthreatened. So I like I think like with Shane, I would see her just kind of level with him and like kind of make him just kind of level with him and like kind of make him listen to her. Like she was like mama siree for a lot with Shane. Like I saw like her mom's side come out with him and like she would like kind of work that angle with him and build that trust through acting more like a mama to him. And then to other people. Yeah, she would just kill them with kindness and just kind of like she knew like How they were being and just like they could be disrespectful and things like that

But they weren't really like that with her Because of the way that she spoke with them and kind of like leveled with them is what I saw Yeah, it's interesting. You have like the the mom type in these seasons now Like you have like mama J or Mama C, whatever. Those folks are really working with like the younger contingent on the tribe. But you know, Suri has the ability to like be that comforting mother presence, even a Shane who like, I don't know what their age differences, but it can't be much, you know, she's, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't much. Yeah. She's that comforting energy to whoever she's around, which I think is, you know, in a game, obviously like this, you know, has proven to be helpful

quite a few times. What is the what's the skill that you've seen siree exhibit in the time that you play with her that you thought was just like above and beyond everybody else that you were with? Was there anything in particular that you could identify as your like secret weapon, so to speak? Just her ability to like these be talking of like everybody and not having anyone really know. You know, she had like these these relationships with multiple people and people respected her. But they also just like didn't look at her like a threat.

So she had that like she was like a chameleon. Like she kind of just kind of ran around to all the different players and did it in a way where it was like it was like a finesse. Like she didn't cause any people to be like, oh, we need to watch out for Suri. Suri's strategizing really hard. Like we get to watch out for her. So I think the ability for her to just kind of talk to everybody and be gaming with everyone and not having really a lot of people know.

Yeah. You know, I was going through some clips of the Panama season right before we did this. And the clip of you and Aris, you guys are walking, it's the final two, you get one the breakfast and then he falls and like hurts himself badly. In the event that he got like medevac. Like I think you win. Do you just win? Do they? Is there ever any thought of like we just, you know, there's no more vote.

He's in the hospital. I know that's actually a really good question. I don't know what they would do. I mean, I guess that would have to be what would happen. You know, what would happen if he like had to get medevac out and there was no option. Yeah, that would be great. Survivor first. How bad was the injury? Do you remember that? Like what was the fall like? I mean, it shows like pretty bad. Yeah, I just remember. I mean, we were both so

worn down. I mean, you have to remember like back then, like we weren't, we went 39 days, like it's 26 days now. And like, you know, it's a big difference going that much longer. And we didn't have food, like we really didn't have food and water. And like every time, like I say this, like I watch, you know, the seasons now and they just go and like they, you know, they fetch water out of the well. And like that for us, like, in order for us to get water, we had to like, hike up this giant hill, fetch the water like we would fit these giant canteens and we had to like bring like lug the canteens back down the

hill. We had to start the fire, boil the water, and then let the water cool. And then we had to like pour it into everybody's canteen. So everybody, you know, got got water. So that was the process every single time. And it was like, so exhausting, you know, doing that alone, you know, and now just seeing how easy it is for you guys to get water. I'm like, But yeah, so back to your back to your point, like we were dying. And we were I was so lightheaded. And I know he was too. And he slipped on that rock and he fell. And yeah, I mean,

it was I mean, it wasn't crazy bad, but it was bad enough where like, because of the state that the both of us were in, like, like, he needed to have medical attention for sure. Like he was bleeding, he was gushing blood, I think he like, forget if it was like his knee or his shin or something. But I think it was just like, we were tapped out, like the both of us were like were like, like I don't think I could have gone one more day. I'm not even like, and Aris and I talked about that. We're like, I don't think we could have gone one more day.

We were that like done. Well, the culture shock that people are gonna be hit with once they get there and it is now the 26 day quicker game. And the water is like, like you said, you know, nobody's boiling the water in the new era. I don't know if they even make it look like you're boiling. They tell you to, if my memory is correct, they tell you that like you should have, but nobody does it because you're thirsty, you know, and some people don't have fire for however

many days. So it will be a culture shock to people once they get there, that it is a little bit like, you know, it's like, oh, it's just right there. You know, it's, it's 10 feet away from where we're sleeping, which is, you know, it adds to so much more game, you know, and like, what do you give me your take on like, you're going to the journey, you're going on to the little island and playing the game and getting the advantage. Do you enjoy that in Survivor? Is that fun for you? To go on the island and get an advantage. Yeah. Do you like when they now that there's so many of those things?

Or do you like? I I mean, it's OK. It's just kind of like. I don't think it's necessary. I mean, I don't know. I'm like, I think there's too much stuff. There's like too many advantages and idols and shot in the dark. And it's just like I think it's kind of overwhelming. Like it just takes away from like,

it doesn't, the simplicity of the game. Like the game wasn't like that before. And I know they wanna like, they wanna change it up and make it more exciting for the fans. But I don't think, I just, it doesn't really do anything for me. Like it doesn't, I'm not like, oh, you know, it's just like, it's the same song and dance every time.

Like the last, you know, five, four or five seasons that they've done it. I just, um, it doesn't, I'm not crazy about it. It's funny because it's like, I think of like a Colby type who you play with Colby, you know, Colby, Colby was confused Danielle when you were playing with Colby, you know, and it was a lot, it was a lot slower of a situation, you know, and Colby's going to go to the Island and get the, get the advantage, you know, um, apparently we talked to Tina

Wesson who played with, with Colby. I mean, Colby's been prepping really hard, has watched every season. He's like, he's in it. So I'm curious to see what happens, but back when you were there, he was, he was kind of, you know, you take it or leave it Colby. Yeah. I mean, it's funny when I feel like, I mean, I love Colby, but like I,

when he played compared to like how everyone spoke about how he played, like he was a super competitor and like, you know, like super athlete and super gamer. I was just like, I don't see it when I played with him in heroes versus villains. Like, I think I, like, I don't know if he had something, I don't know if he had something. I don't know. I just felt like he checked out like really early on in the game. And it wasn't the Colby Donaldson that everybody knew.

So I'm actually like looking forward to seeing how he's going to play this. I don't think it's his third. Is it his third time? This is this is my time. OK, so for time. Yeah, so I'm actually interested to see because the last time he played, it just wasn't him. Like I don't feel like he played to his potential, let's just say. Well, Tina, who we just spoke to,

Tina said that, and they've talked obviously leading up to him leaving, that he's embarrassed about how it went. And he used the word like he regrets like going. I think he feels like he didn't, I think Tina's words were, he felt like he didn't respect the game. Like he felt like going. I think he feels like he didn't, I think Tina's words were he doesn't, he felt like he didn't respect the game. Like he felt like it was more of he was like

a little bit above what Survivor was to him. And now I think he wants to like rebuild that legacy that he left there. The Chevrolet employee pricing event is on now. Get a big cash purchase discount of up to $11,300 on the 2025 Chevrolet Silverado LDZR2 and Silverado HDZR2. With a factory installed lift kit and multi-matic DSSV dampers on both the Silverado LD and HDZR2, you'll have all the capability you need to leave the asphalt behind. Hurry in!

Employee pricing is on for a limited time. Visit your local Chevrolet dealer for details. And you also you have coach to who you were with for a little bit. What was your coach experience like? Um, well, on like on the islands, you know, he was just the guy that was like like Tai Fung, like doing all his karate things and functuate, his yoga and I don't see him as like a huge strategist

by any means or like, I mean, he was definitely like helpful in challenges. Like he's a strong player in challenges, but he's not like a challenge beast by any mind. And his like socially, it'll be interesting to see how he's gonna play this time. He's just a character, he's a character. He's a great guy, he's a character,

but I think that's what everybody's mostly like pulled to with him is just watching. What was your pregame for Heroes versus Villains like in terms of, were you doing the pre-gaming thing before they started? Were you contacting people or did you go in not knowing who was there? I went in not knowing who was there.

I mean, I think I heard through the grapevine, like a few people that were gonna be there, but like I didn't call anybody. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't make any previous alliances. And I don't believe in that honestly, because survivors like it's so unpredictable and it's like you go in,

like I hear a lot of people saying, well, oh, I had like, this was my strategy and like this was my plan. And you know, I don't think that's like, I don't think that you should do that because why, like you don't think that's like, I don't think that's there. You should do that because why like you don't know what's going to happen. And then you go in with this, you know, this understanding like, oh, like this is how I'm going to play.

But then if things don't fall the way that they, you know, that you want them to then you're going to be all thrown off and it just doesn't make any sense to me. I like to just I'm going to go in. I'm going to be as present as possible. I'm, you know, I'm gonna be as aware as possible and work my magic that way and like just kind of go off into intuition and what I feel and my connection with people, my trust with people and kind of move along the game

like that, like I don't ever feel that like making previous alliances would ever benefit me in any way. Yeah, it sounds like from this group, this past season 50 group, it's a lot of what's going on now before they left was everybody was talking to one another. Everybody went in with groups, even the past couple.

I know winners of war, that was a big thing. Everybody was contacting each other. But it is, I think it's, you know, why invest your time into something that may never pan out? You know, if you if you and Suri talk before heroes versus villains, and you just end up on different tribes as you did, then what was it all for? It's for nothing. Exactly. And it's like stressful to be like, Okay, well, I'm going to work with you and then like calling this person, I'm going to work with you. And I don't know. I mean, have

an idea of who's going out there. and if you want to have some phone calls and just catch up with people and like reconnect, that's fine. But like to say like I'm going to line with you or I'm going to work with you like, I don't know. I think that's silly. What has been the experience for you watching Surrey now come back all the times it's series come back. I'm not sure if you watch the traders as well. Tell me about your your Surrey experience on TV. Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I didn't watch Traders. But,

I mean, she's a, everyone loves her. She's made a name for herself and she has, because she got off the couch, that was her story back then. She got off the couch and she has, you know, because she got off the couch, you know, that was her story back then. Like she got off the couch and she made something of herself and she did things. She challenged herself. And I think that's very honorable and I love that. And I know now that she's got all this confidence and you know, and she's coming back and yeah, I mean,

I honestly, I haven't watched her again since the time that I played with her. So I don't know how she's playing again now. So I'd be interested to see for sure how she's going to play this time around. Knowing that she is a threat in a lot of ways, you know, people know now who she is and how she's played. So they're gonna definitely be looking out for her, but I don't think she's gonna be on top of everybody's mind. I feel like an Aussie or who else is going out there is a giant threat.

I mean, even Geneva, just by the way that she's played, you know what I mean? People people are more aware of of someone like that than they are with like with Surrey. For sure. And like, I don't think anybody wants to be the person. Nobody wants to be the person who's voting Surrey out first or early. I feel like you come home to a very negative reception if you're the one who makes the plan to get out Surrey. I wouldn't be that person. I would like that else take that bullet for me. I don't wanna deal with the people online for voting. I know, they love her.

Tell me about, is there anybody from the time that you spent on Survivor who's not playing on season 50 that you would have liked to have seen play again, other than you, of course, which I would have preferred to see that. But tell me if anybody comes you know, comes to mind. I'm trying to think. Hmm. I thought Amanda was going to go back.

It's crazy that she's not. It's it's. You know, I really I was kind of like because it's funny with Amanda and I, because we we ended up working together after we were on the show, and we built a friendship. But I mean, I haven't spoken to her at all lately. And I know she like moved away and she's a mom now as well. But like, she's completely like dropped off. Like, I don't think anyone even like speaks to her at all anymore. But I for sure thought that she would go back. And, you know, a lot of people loved her.

And so I was just kind of shocked. I was shocked that Stephanie LaGrosa was called, got picked over her. And Stephanie's great, you know, it's just that I just felt that Amanda would have got pushed, you know, harder for to get to the final cut than Stephanie. Yeah, Sharon Tharp, who's an entertainment reporter who's reporting on Survivor 50 and

Big Brother and all that fun stuff, posted that Amanda had like scheduling conflicts, but like, what's the conflict? Come play Survivor, you know what I mean? Like, what's the, you know, but that, the rumor was that she had some kind of scheduling issue that she couldn't make it work. You know, it's, Danielle, it's 26 days. You know, what's the, move the dentist appointment. You know what I mean?

If it's something, you know, if it's something that you can move, what are you doing? Cause I know a ton of us would have liked to do it. What, the class is leaving more important than going back to Survivor. That's what I'm saying, you know, you got people who would love to be in there, but tell me, what was the job with Amanda? What did you guys do?

That's wild. Okay, so we worked at this place in Hollywood together called the Sayers Club, and it was just really awesome entertainment. Like bands would come and perform, and it was a very like cool, like I almost felt like you were in someone's living room, and like the fray would come, come or like King's Leon or the prince played like a bunch of times. So like thousands and thousands of girls applied for this position and only five of us got it and I had no idea Amanda applied. She didn't know I applied. We hadn't seen each other since Survivor, the fight, the popcorn fight and the whole thing.

And I got to vote it off. And I don't think she was very fond of me to be quite honest. So we walk in for our training session, our first day of training, and I'm walking into the building and she comes walking in the building. And we meet like head to head and we're like, she's like, Danielle, I'm like, Amanda.

Well, hello, like how awkward is this? I guess we're gonna be working together now, how lovely. So yeah, that was like, and then we worked together for like three years. Oh wow, is that a while? Yeah, we worked together for a while. Did the relationship repair itself in the time that you were together? Did it end up being like buddies? Yeah, we worked together for a while. Did the relationship repair itself in the time that you were together?

Did it end up being like buddies? Yeah, we were cool. We were, yeah, for sure. In the beginning, it was a little, little wonky. But we worked it out and we were fine. We were totally fine. And we were just competitive. Like, you know, we were doing bottle service, so we were competitive with the tables and you know,

who is who is making more money and blah, blah, blah, blah. But it was great. No, it was fine. It was just really funny. People love that popcorn Treasure Island of it all. Like if I'm I scroll through TikTok, and I see people post that clip constantly, people really, really love that. It was pretty epic. Honestly, it was pretty funny. And the fact that Kobe was like, just so like, not even I like I, I tilt, I watch it back. And I just like, what was he doing? Like, how did he not be so unaware of what was going on?

You know? But God bless them, because he took my side and, you know, told him I had to give the idol back to me, which honestly, is that even legal? Can you steal an idol from someone once they possess it? That's what... I don't think so. I think there's something with Survivor that I've noticed where there's been some times where there's a guy, Ben, on Heroes, Healers, Hustlers he asks if like, this idol is real, which Jeff normally does after the votes. But because Ben asked, Jeff makes like this split

decision, like it's good TV to just say yes. So I wonder if because Amanda like does something balls to the wall, if they would allow it in that point. But it's so funny, I always think about when I think about that, like, you still have to like, that that interaction happens, you're still watching the movie. Like you don't go home after that. Like you had to like sit there awkwardly afterward for a while. It was so awkward. It was just like so uncomfortable and like I was shaking because I was just like how is this happening? You know, and the camera guys are just kind of like in your face staring at you like loving it.

You know, Getting a show. Were you annoyed you had to watch Treasure Island? Nobody wants to watch it. Old treasure like who cares about treasure? I don't even think I watched it. Like I was so like I was wondering like you know, you're you can't focus watching a movie on survivor like when there's a million dollars on the line like I didn't watch it. I was standing there, like staring at it and then just thinking of like,

is there an idol in this popcorn? Or like, what's gonna happen next? Or like, I'm sitting here with like Colby and Amanda and they're on the opposite team of me and what am I gonna do? Like you just, your mind just races. What a time, what a fun time. I like, let's run that back.

Bring everybody from it. I don't know if we need Russell, but bring everybody from that season back. All like the 19 of you guys and let's do it again. Because what a group that was. Oh my God, that was so fun. That was, yeah. That was, that was.

How was traveling around with that group after the season and during the season? Like, was that a fun group to hang with more so than the Panama group? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I'm trying to remember, like. Yeah, I mean, I minus Russell. Sure, sure.

Who do you love? Russell. Yeah, I know. It was good vibes. It was good vibes for the most part with like everybody on that. Well, again, a lot of strong personalities, a lot of egos. But it was it's challenging when you when you get to play. Like, I think someone asked me, like, you know, they don't players that have that they'll play again when they come back with the season. That's all people that have won or, you know, did really well.

Or they don't like that because there's too many egos involved in it. But I do, I think it's actually, it's more challenging and it's more fun because everyone knows how to play. You know, it's like, and it's just more intense and it just makes it, it makes it more fun for me because I'm just a super competitive person.

Yeah, and there's nobody that's like, you have to hold anybody's hand. Everybody's game on, ready to go. And that to me was just freaking awesome. Do you watch any of the other reality shows? I know you didn't see Surreal and Traders, but are you watching anything like Traders, Deal on Odo Island, Big Brother, any of the other reality shows? I know you didn't see Surreal and Traders, but are you watching anything like Traders, Deal or No Deal Island, Big Brother,

any of that fun stuff? I watch Deal or No Deal a little bit, or Love Island a couple of times, but not really. I may have two small kids. It's really hard for me to like, it took me, I was behind on Survivor like three episodes. And I remember I was like scrolling through Instagram and like, no, that might have been us.

We be spoiled on Instagram sometimes. The Rob is a pie. I'm like, shit. But yeah, I mean, I wish I had more time to watch TV, but I just don't right now. And I would, you know, don't get me wrong. I want to watch Traders because I've heard a lot of great things about it. You would be great at that. You really should consider like that.

That is a that is a Daniel Nath game. That's what everybody says. You would be great at it. I'm like, I'll do it. I think of it's survival if it's like Survivor, which I know it is. It's the same kind of like idea. Then I'm in. Yeah, you know, I know Parvati did it and kick butt.

So. She did great. Who are you still talking to from your survivor time? Is there anybody that you're close with or that you talk to with often? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I wouldn't say I'm like super close with like anyone really, but I do keep in touch with like Bruce,

like Aris, Parvati. I would say like, those are like, oh, Terry, like I've talked to Terry a little bit, like and his wife, his wife is so sweet. Just, yeah, that's probably about it. And Shane, I've spoken to like in the past, years and years and years ago, but I don't really speak with him anymore.

But yeah, I mean, I just keep in touch, kind of check in a few times a year, but not like, I'm not like buddy, buddy. I live in Orange County. Everybody's kind of like all over the place. So, but yeah, no, you know, I have, especially with having two kids, it's hard. It's hard.

Absolutely. Tell me, I'll pull this graphic up again, but tell me, Danielle, do you have a winter pick for season 50? Are they here among us? Oh, I know that's. If I had to put you on the spot. Yeah, no, no.

I love Charlie, man. I'm rooting for I mean, I love Suri, too, but I don't think she'll win. I think I think Charlie, if he plays his cards right, has a really good shot. Yeah, he's coming in. He's got a good situation. I think that he, you know, I think a lot of the older folks, especially like a Colby who maybe is not coming in with like the super strategic outlook or an Aussie, like that's who they grab.

They grab the super strategic guy, you know, your Charlie. And then Charlie can, you know, maybe put up a better case against them at the end to why why they should win. But this was so much fun. I'm so glad we chat. This is great. I know this is great. Thank you so much for like inviting me on here. This is it's an honor. And I it's so fun to be able to like talk survivor talk because I can't I can't do it with my two and a half year old and my four year old yet. Not yet. The day that I can show them like look at mommy did and like talk to them about it and

get them hooked on the show. Well hey you know people are saying the streets are saying you know this was survivor 50 whatever but like you know 54 55 you're in when they call you you're in. Oh I'm I'm I am in I am so in like I was ready to go when they called me back in September. I'm like, I'm, I don't know how I'm gonna do this, but I'm gonna find a way. I haven't left my kids for more than a night,

but I will leave them for seven weeks. I found childcare. Like I figured it out. I was gonna have family help and I was gonna do it. So I, you know, and I'm so stoked, like I have to play again. I just I feel it in my heart that I will have another opportunity to play really do because I really want to play again. Listen, I know this whole community, I can speak for all of us like everybody wants to

see you. I see it constantly online. Like people were even the whole lead up to 50 people were throwing your name out as wanting to be there. You know, and I think people were disappointed when they, not that they saw the initial group and they were disappointed at the group, although that is also sometimes true, but I think people were bummed to not see you there. So listen, I think that, I think once they get

the return e-bug, once they do it once, they do it a couple more times afterwards historically. So it could happen. I think it will. I think it will. I think tell everybody Danielle where they can follow you. Oh, you guys can follow me on Instagram. Danielle. It's Mrs. Danielle Nath

at Mrs. Danielle Nath and yeah, I'm on I'm on Facebook. I don't really use Twitter or any of that other stuff. You don't need nothing good is happening over there. It's not a fun place over there. Thank you so much, Danielle. Thank you for joining us on our episode about Surrey Fields. And listen, there might be more.

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We have here with us, you know her from Big Brother, you know her from Only Big Brother, has nothing else coming up anytime in the future. Izzy, how are you? I'm good. Happy to be representing Fields, you know, here on the podcast. We're here and we're thriving. I want to hear from you Izzy, just because I don't think I know this, is tell me your origin story with Survivor.

I know you had watched me brother for a little bit, but Survivor, I think you told me before was relatively new. Yeah, all of it was new. Like I listen, if we're going to go way back when origin story, my parents are intellectual hippies who love contemporary art and Scrabble, you know, and like my childhood relationship to like pop culture and like reality TV was like limited not because they wanted to but just like the culture in my house was like, pointy, pointity. I'm a classical blue player. You know what I mean? Like, whatever. So, so I didn't have it as a kid, but when I, when I started dating

Paige, the best thing that's ever happened, and I blame her for all of this is like when we were dating and we were in the pandemic and we had nothing to do, she was like, bitch, I can't believe you've never seen Survivor. Like you're gonna freak out. You're gonna love Survivor. And so I was like, okay, yeah, sure, let's do it. And the first season we watched was, now we, you're gonna laugh. The first season ever,

because this is like how my brain works, I was like, let's watch season 33, because that's my favorite number. Oh, that's a great strategy though. I like that strategy. I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like we have now for the fans out there, we have since gone in a linear fashion, you know,

but my first my initial like entryway into Survivor was nonlinear and it followed players that I liked. So because we watched 33 first Millennials versus Gen Z. What is it Gen X? Gen X. I want them to do Gen Z. What is it? Gen X. I want them to do Gen Z anyway, you know, Millennials. I'm ready for the Millennials versus Gen Z. Gen Z's are funny. There are funny people that Gen Z.

I don't understand them. Yeah, so we watched that. And then I was like digging it. And because Michaela and Zeke were on the next season, Game Changers, we watched Game Changers next. And then, of course, I was like, three fields is my favorite person and her game changers exit was like. Heart like heartbreaking, all of them are, but like that just feels like

it's a tough like game design wise, this is bad, so not satisfying. So then we went back and we watched all three seasons in order. Wow, I did not know that. Yeah, so that was like it. You completed Suri before you completed anything else. And then where did you go after Suri? I maybe don't even remember. Like I think then we started filling in the gaps

and it was like, let's watch all of, let's watch, you know, Cook Islands, let's watch, you know, so. So before even we talk about Sure as, you know, her entity and the entity that you now know very well, this is your first time living through now a Survivor All-Star season. Like this is the first time you're getting to be

in this part of the All-Star season where the cast, the rumors are out, and then we have the cast, and then everybody's kind of upset about the cast. What is your feeling on the Survivor 50 cast now having had a couple weeks to kind of digest? Yeah, I mean, listen, production's gonna let you down, people.

So just like already know that. Like no one knows that more than me. Production's gonna let you down. But I think like, I felt like Winners at War was like sort of framed or my interpretation of it was like a closing of a chapter. And like I don't necessarily need every five or 10 year anniversary to be a fucking retrospective of the whole show. Like I actually kind of like this is without the siree of it. Siree gets cast on everything ever forever for the rest of her life

but I actually don't need any old school people on the season I don't need any winners on any returning season they already got their money I'm someone that needs the money like I want to play these games on TV because on TV is the only way you're gonna get money, you know? There really is no non-televised thing like this that you can go online. Because it's like, Brandon, you know I love an LRG and ORG, like I'm a real gamer about it. I like playing these games. To me, the only appeal about TV is the money. Yeah, even if there was no TV, we'd be playing. We like to play. Yeah, exactly. I'd be out there. So so yeah, so I think like no winners. So like that would be a thing for me.

I think it's weird to have it's like that. I don't know the right term, but that sort of like immediate complex where like you think you need a ton from 48 and 49 because the fans are just going to see it. The recency bias bias if you will. That's it. I knew you were gonna know what it was. Recency bias, that in the cast.

Also, yeah, Survivor does not cast MAGA people anymore either. So like. I agree. I agree. I'm saying it. It's like you want to make a stand. You want to like say, I think 50 should have been where we're going, you know, as opposed to where we've been. I agree with that fully. I have a million percent agree with that. I want to, you know, it's funny how a couple of weeks

ago there's this rumor that comes out as like, oh, it's not going to be new era people. We're only going to have the rumor was three new era people with at least 17 older people. And everybody's like, okay, like, I don't love it, you know, but I think what they the split that they did is just so weird where I'm like, you know, new all new era would have been fine. Like I want to take it on the where I was like, why this would have been the perfect time to do Millennials Gen Z. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Just into the new era and like have this still generational thing in terms of like the season numbers and also just like the dynamic of the people and Yeah, I think it's like we got to bring back themes like Bring back like are you telling me heroes and villains does not work in the new era? Like that would have been brilliant have 50 be heroes, villains. How good you know, right? Right. I mean, or even you don't even have to have that as much as like game changers.

My biggest gripe with game changers was always if the tribes were random where you have game changers like Surrey, like a Malcolm, like a Tony. And then you have people like a Sarah Lucina who are waiting to change the game. They want to change the game. And that is a clear divide that makes sense on paper. And they don't do they didn't do that. And the breakdown here where we have on this older era side, we have 12 new era, and then we have 12 older era, but even those folks are disjointed in when they played is that you have the old era and the new era. So I'm interested to see how it works. But you, my friend, you are the Surrey Fields expert.

I'm actually gonna pull up a clip from our first Boots draft that we did from Mary Ann Okich who had this to say about you during the first Boots draft. It's coming in knowing, okay? Cause Surrey is BFFs with Izzy and Izzy is a big fan. Izzy would download all that info, all these things, all these stats. There is no way that Izzy has not given Serea a dossier at PowerPoint

and everything before going out there. I mean, the dossier is crazy. I love Mary Ann. Shout out to Mary Ann for clocking it. It's so funny because the theme of this podcast, we're going to the Survivor 50 Files where we are essentially building the dossier for each person. So Izzy, did you do that?

Did you give Seree a dossier? Okay, a dossier is crazy. I do like to collect thoughts in Google Docs and on paper. You know, I'm very, I'm tactile. So I do have lots of written notes all around my room. For sure. You know, whatever. But I think, you know, listen, me and Seree talk a lot.

A big part of our relationship are these games and talking about these games. So, you know, I think it's like less so that I presented her with stuff that she should know. And more so like, I think people are gonna be shocked at how much she still state keeps very up to date on Survivor, new era Survivor and knows about the games of a bunch of people that are on the beach, you know.

But yeah. Has she now watched all, no, no, she's been filming shows during some of these seasons, but has she now watched the full new era as far as you're aware? Yeah. Has she seen all of it? Yeah. Yeah. You know, so it's interesting. It's a model proper preparation for performance. Okay. No, I don't have that. Like I'm very in and out on Big Brother. So I didn't I didn't capture the full Surrey Big Brother experience, but talk me through like watching Surrey for years, even know, even passively just because there's no expectation of yours that you're ever going to play with Suri on any of these shows.

What are the things that Suri did during her run on Survivor that you were particularly attuned to saying I want to watch all of her seasons in order. What are those qualities that you witness? I mean, I think like maybe this is like do you hear this car alarm also that's going off in the background? I hear the car alarm, but you know, it'll stop. It's like, this is like ASMR for our audience.

Yeah. Okay. Well, just let's, let's, yeah. Um, what was the question? You're the qualities that you really liked about Serene watching. You see game changers and you're like, who is this woman? Why, why is the, who is this woman thought happening? Okay. I think like for me, like,

I think the reason I love these games is like, you know, anyone talks to me about it. Like I view it like sports. Like I feel like an athlete when I'm playing one of these games, you know? And for me, it's like the human element that makes you an athlete in these games. I don't give a shit about how fast you run or how many balls you can put in a target like that to me is like only a parameter. It's not actually the same and so like for me, it's like I just

feel like I connect with people that you feel like you know them outside of TV when you're watching them play for like I just can't express. I mean, everyone feels this even from watching Suri, you get them, you get missed it right because she's so. Authentic and honest, you know, and like follow things. And it's just like very captivating to watch. And because she's so smart with people, you know, like she just knows how to read people.

She's like really interesting strategically because it's like she might not be the coach that's like writing down every play and knows how to maneuver all the pieces like those fuck ass straight white boys talking about chess master mind bullshit. I hate that. She like literally understands what moves people

to do things, you know, like what moves them to react in a certain way, what moves them to have different interests and like, yeah, I mean, I guess we use the word manipulate in like a negative way, but she can like really, yeah, manipulate those reads she has on people. And it's like kind of beautiful to watch. It's like, wow, that's where the game exists.

It's like, that's it. That's amazing, you know? So yeah, so I was like really obsessed with that. Speaking to that point is, is that's why, you know, I'm originally captivated by, like my first season is Gabon, where it's like 18 people who you would be in like the line at Coles with on any random day.

It's just like, it's your run of the mill. Like not to say that Saree is run of the mill, but the beautiful part about the show is that these ordinary seeming people that are off the street, people that you would meet in everyday life can do this extraordinary thing. And they have this gear in them that you don't ever get to execute in regular life or you get to do it like Saree at work can do it minimally, but Saree can't do it on this grand scale and Survivor gives you get to do it like sari at work can do it minimally but sari can't do it on this grand scale and survivor gives the opportunity to do that and sari is is leagues above everybody in those skills which is knowing her personally now after big brother pre now

survivor do you have any insight into how she got that good at it is there any like in her life like what what makes her so good at it i mean i think I think it's like anyone, I think this is why I think like queer people or any sort of marginalized people, I'll add that to this, have like, I don't know, such good, like we live these games in our entire life, you know? And so I think it's like anyone that knows what it feels like to have to code switch to say to protect themselves is like training for a survivor, you know, which is like that that can maybe you can spiral and that can feel like kind of dark, you know, but like anyone that has moves around this world with privilege knows how to maneuver in these games. And I think anyone that has had to like dig for relevancy to dig to be for equity also

has an instinct for maneuvering in these games because like it's literally what you do all the time. You know, I've never heard that observation before. And it's like I'm now actualizing it in my head. Is that something that you had thought of pre-playing Big Brother or did that become more real to you once you were there and you were doing it yourself? I mean, I think the, yeah, I mean, I'm not so good at it.

You know, like I know what it feels like, but I feel like that's something that I've always struggled with. Like I, like before I came out, I like more so try, like I don't know, try to just, I was never that successful at the code switching, you know, but I think, so after playing, I think that was a harsh realization actually,

that it's like, ooh, I'm having trouble changing people's perception, like first impressions of me, right? Like I'm not good at that part of it, which was a hard realization. But no, I think that's why one of the reasons I got hooked on the whole game was like, more and more seeing how it's exactly like real life, that everyone is dealing with the same things that they do in real life on the beach or in the house, you know? And it's like, God, we just can't change that.

Like we won't change the game until people change. And so that like is powerful, you know, like very much so. That's right. It's like, you know, I love these. I geek out over these shows when I hear something that I just haven't heard before. I'm like, wow, that's really me and Paige. Like literally now it's like become our answer to everything. But it's like, how was your day at work today? It's like, oh, I was training today, you know, because it's like become our answer to everything. But it's like, how was your day at work today? And it's like, I was training today, you know, cause it's like, I had such a big brother

day today. Like I hated this person and I needed something from them. So I had to play big brother with them, you know, and like, or it's like, what did you do? And it's like, oh yeah, well, I, I was training, you know, like we just say training now because it's like every aspect of our day is ultimately What you got to irl train, I guess it's not even training. You were actually playing with siree Um, and you you are famously for folks who are not listening to this who maybe didn't watch your big brother season

So i'd like to set up just your say that again. They're smarter than us. They haven't watched Tell tell everybody about just the moment that you see Jared you identify Jared's three son And then what followed when sari appears afterward? Yeah, I um, I noticed Jared I clocked Jared before we even walked onto the main stage with Julie Chen for the live Premier we like we're lined up ready to go and weren't allowed to speak. We weren't supposed to be looking at each other. And I looked up and I was like, that's Jared Fields. And I was like, wow, okay.

And immediately I was like calmed by that because I was like, I was like, ooh, we could share something. Like I had no expectation that Suri was also gonna be there. Like that literally did not cross my mind. But I was like, great, maybe that's the twist. Maybe there's a kid on Survivor or something, you know, like I was like, maybe this is a CBS twist. Great. And so yeah, so I, when he lost the first challenge on premiere, I like looked down at him. He even recalls like, man, you looked

at me like, I felt like I'm going to be okay, you know, I was like, good, because I was so nervous, you know, and then we walk in the house and I see Saree. We all see Saree and I don't know, like this is just very me. Like I just, I wanted to be, I wanted to play with her. I'm not intimidated by good players. Like I want to play with good players. I want to play with like, yeah.

So anyway, so I was like excited by that. I wasn't. Yeah. So I pulled Jared right away, told him your story, your story son, and he flipped out, you know, Jared, sweet baby, Jared, you know, so and I was just I was and then in that moment, I was like, right. Okay, that was dumb. That was dumb. Like this was not the right time to do this. But do you think that? Do you think that now that it was the wrong time to do that. But, never- Do you think that, do you think that now that it was the wrong time to do that?

Or is that like a ret, I wonder how, what would have been different for you if it is a week later or two weeks later? Well, it's interesting because like, me and Sari have talked about this a ton, you know, since playing Big Brother, we've talked about this moment. She's since watched the episodes and like seen me pull Jared and was like cracking up over that. And I'm actually happy that it went like the smart gamer in me is like, if I could do it again,

I would do it differently. But actually, like, the fact, Saree says the fact that I basically was so honest, like, and it was like very clear that I was being honest in my reaction and in my like understanding of what the situation was and like, you know, she was like, yeah, there was a look in your eyes that it was like I trusted that what you were saying was that you wanted to be with us, you know? And so like I think if I was a little bit more calculated, which I think, I don't know, maybe it would have been better. I don't know. I think, I think maybe it would have taken longer, or maybe I wouldn't have gotten the real Surrey Trust. Maybe I would have gotten more of the mist,

you know, like I think for sure. So I don't know. So I go back and forth about that, but no, it was terrible. Don't do that. If you ever see someone in the house like that, people will be, we're going to see her and just right now they're living it. What is the thing that impresses you the most about just seeing her maneuver through the weeks of Big Brother that you played with her? What is like the quality that you witnessed here? Like, oh my God, she can. OK, I tell you, look, can I tell you a story to answer this? For all those out there, this is how you should do a casting tape also.

Tell us. But so I so like they don't show this, but like basically every day I went into the DR, they would ask about my relationship with Saree. And I would always start by being like, I mean, I feel good. I trust her. We've got a plan. We're working well together.

We're becoming friends, but I don't know. And then I would have a moment of panic and being like, she's playing me and all this stuff. And so I had this like internal back and forth. And one time I had said something stupid to fuck ass red, you know, dumb ass red in the house. I had done something stupid, of course. And Sarie grabbed me and was like,

you have to have a conversation with red right now. Like you have to fix this right now. And I was like, I don't even know what's going on. Pulled me into the comic room, makes me have this conversation with Red. And throughout the conversation, the body language is that she's with Red. And like the way she's responding is like that I have to apologize and that like bad dog, bad dog,

you know, like that kind of tone. And I'm like just trying to salvage the situation. And in that moment, all I'm thinking is like, wow, I fucked up. Like that's it, I lost Suri. Okay, we got to pivot. And I was panicking. Red leaves and Suri goes, oh, good.

That jackass is gone. Okay, good. You did good. That's good. That'll be fine. That'll be fine. And I was like, bitch, don't do that ever again to me, you know, like don't do that. Like that's how you do that.

Like I really thought it was real, you know, like, don't do that. Like, that's how you do that. Like, I really thought it was real, you know? So. Wow. And did Red end up leaving that week? Is that the is that did that end red? I can't know. Red was gone before he even got there. I don't know. But I don't seems like it. Sorry, Red. You're listening to this whole podcast series, but it did seem like that was the case.

Yeah. Anyway, I don't remember exactly what week it was, probably because I was too scared out of my mind. But well, well, now flash forward to now, you know, when was the moment that Saree told you that season 50 was a possibility for her? Is that something that you remember that the conversation? Allegedly. Allegedly. This is all alleged. This whole podcast series is alleged. I'm pretty quick. I say pretty quick. Yeah. And you jump back into game mode of like we can, I can help you in terms of, you know, this dossier, you know, this is the,

you have thoughts that could contribute to Suri. I feel like returning seasons on all of these shows are really complicated now because of the internet and because of this amazing community that is like super beautiful as an alumni but also makes returning seasons like very very complicated. So let's yeah you know so I felt like you know I have this this thing that she doesn't have, which is like having relationships with new era players, you know, like, I know a bunch of new era players in real life. So I felt like maybe not dossier, but maybe, you know, sharing some reads of my own of

like, experience with with new era people. I felt like that was going to be really valuable and just like. Yeah. Communicating about experiences that we've had with people and how that might mesh with other people, kind of just like how we would talk in the house. You know, so, um, yeah. Not for anything too is, you know, Surrey wins the traders, which is pretty big brother, you know, and even after

that we're still kind of, I believe in COVID, I can't remember the exact year, maybe 2022. But I don't think that I've seen Suri like at New York events or just in going to events in general until after Big Brother. And I do contribute a lot of that to you. I think you introduced her to this community that even pre-Ttraders, pre-COVID, you know, while she's on Survivor a couple times, she never was somebody who was actively at these activations that are had in the New York City area or beyond. And I do credit you with introducing her to that world and bringing her to the fans who otherwise would never have met her or even the new era players and

some old era players who hadn't met her or had facetime with her either. Yeah I think you know she's been she's been a OG Bryce and winner you know you know super tight with the Purple Pants squad but yeah I think like I think her son I think Jared being on the show and now being in the community and having a friend in me who's out here going to things, I think, yeah, the excuse of it being not just for the show, but also personal, coming to these events, I think, means a lot to her. So, yeah.

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of now seven people. I think we can infer that it's three tribes. What kind of person is she looking for to work with to get to the end of Survivor 50? I mean, first and foremost, she's looking for someone that's not like intimidated by her or maybe doesn't even know who she is, which I think there's potential for that on the beach, actually. I do think that's correct. You know, so I think I think at this point, she's looking for yeah, someone that

she knows that she's just going to connect with on a human level. Therefore, you know, isn't going to come for her. Like I yeah, I mean, I think I think we're going to see listen Suri is locked in. She's hungry. She's hungry right now. You know, I think we're all a little bit hungry for her too. So, um, she's coming to play and I think, I think, I hope this is like her most cutthroat season ever. I hope we see her traveling all over the beach. I don't mean physically. I mean, I hope she's just, we hope she has a bike on the beach. I don't mean physically. I mean, I hope she's just we hope she has a bike on the beach.

She's just driving it around. Listen, no, I hope you know, like I hope she's just leaving people in the dust and jumping around like just doing what she has to do like at every tribal. You know, I think that playing Big Brother and then, you know, also the traders in that time since then, what skills you think translate there that maybe you wouldn't have unless you did? I mean, Survivor is now 26 days, Big Brother, but she was in there for 70, 80 days.

You know, it's a much longer situation. But is there any skill that presents itself in Big Brother that even you felt and witnessed that you think would translate to now playing Survivor? She's now, I think, what? Caleb Reynolds played Big Brother, Survivor after Big Brother, as did Hayden. I guess she's the now third person. She's the third person to make the switch. Is there anything there? Um, I mean, I think just like her hatred for Big Brother is... Don't send me back there. I'll do this every year. I mean, everyone's already sending around that clip of her saying to Felicia, I would

rather starve on an island. Like your wish is your command, girl. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think speed is going to be I think the 26 day game is going to be in her favor, actually, because I think things move really, really fast, which means, which is very different than Big Brother. You know, I think if Big Brother moved faster, I think it would have been a better game for

me. I think it also would have been a better game for her, just because she was like, deteriorating because she hated it, you know, not because she didn't have the game capacity, but like she just the hatred was eating away at her, you know, so you have any indication like and maybe this has been said by three, but how did three get to Big Brother like what happened that landed three in the Big Brother house?

I don't know. They called her. They called her. They just said you want to do it. I don't know. They called her. They called her. They just said you want to do it. I didn't know if Jared was there first and then Jared like was like, can my mom come or they called three and then she said, I'm curious of that. That line of I believe Jared was Jared was in it. You know, I think Jared was in it.

And then sir, we got called. But I don't know. I don't know what the order of that. The David versus Goliath story with Jared, did you know that when you saw Jared for Big Brother? So I mean, like, yes, in retrospect, but that's not, it's crazy. I actually do not forget faces.

Like, I forget names, I will not remember anyone's name. I can't even remember dates. Like I don't know any holidays, no day. I don't even know when July 4th is. I don't know dates. But like I just, I really, I remember faces. And at the time, some people think that people have this wrong. People thought I was such a fangirl. I was already in the like rap community, Bryce and Wynn, like going to parties. I was not. I had no idea even that any of that stuff existed. Like I was just so not an online person. And I still consider myself not an online person. Like I had no idea. So like, Saree was literally the only reality TV person I was following on Instagram because I was like, okay. And she had posted something about her son being a musician and like having a single.

And I think I was like, that's cool. Like, oh, you responded pre big brother, like pre playing. So I like was following. I was like, fuck it. This is what people do. Because this is how not on the internet. I was like, fuck it. I'm going to follow Jared to maybe I'll hear his music. Like literally. And so is how not on the internet. I was like, fuck it, I'm going to follow Jared too. Maybe I'll hear his music. Like literally. And so I think because I followed her on Instagram, like she posts pictures with her son. Like I just was like, that is Surreyfield's son.

Like it was, I just had this recall anyway. Yeah, it was crazy. And I hadn't been thinking about it or survivor because I was so, the internet also loves to, I said almost, but I watched Big Brother like twice over before going in the house. You know, I watched so much of Big Brother. I was just so Big Brother focused. What does your game look like on Survivor?

What do you, if Izzy Goucher is on Survivor, how do you think you play those first couple rounds? Oh man, you know, I've thought about this a lot. That's why I'm asking. That's why we're here. This is Survivor 55. couple rounds. Oh man, you know, I've thought about this a lot. I just, why I'm asking? That's why we're here. This is a survivor 55. Okay, here's like, listen, I think it's hard to,

I think I've learned this, like I felt this before and then after playing, I think I really believe this. I think I have no idea how I will play pre-merge because you just have no idea who you're playing with. And I just like, can't express enough that like at least for me like if I was on a tribe that needed a leader I probably would Recognize that and step up if there were loud voices, especially since playing Big Brother people. I've learned a lot

Great, I'm just a great time on this, you you know like it's just so dependent on who you're playing with so that part like um I don't know you know but I think yeah but I oh man the fast game would be good for me like I just I I can make quick decisions and I think that's important on Survivor I think people that are indecisive actually get themselves screwed on Survivor. Do you think you'd be better now playing Survivor because you played a game with Saree and you got to watch like somebody who is like a master at work? Do you think those skills now you could like usurp something?

Well it's crazy because like what did she say we we were talking about this before she left but she was like, you're the brains with the diagrams and the plans and I'm the social, you know, like, so I think like it's not so much that I, it's like, I can't do what Suri does. I've learned like what works for her. But if I tried to play like Suri, it would be insincere. You know? And I think insincerity would be my biggest downfall. It was my biggest downfall in the Big Brother house

because I couldn't fucking fake it with Cameron. You know, like insincerity is really like hard for me. And probably something I can't fake and something I probably couldn't fix before Jeff calls me to play on Survivor. You know, so I think it's more like... Yeah, just thinking about relationships more in the way that she can follow her instincts. And that's helped me to learn to follow my instincts,

I think is probably the biggest takeaway. But no one can play like Suri because no one is Suri. But that means no one can play like Suri because no one is Suri, but that means like no one can play like Brandon Donlin. You wouldn't want to. Everybody else is watching. You wouldn't want to. Let me show you as you,

while we're talking about relationships, here's the whole group here. Now in terms of Suri not being able to fake it, is there anybody that you can see in front of you that you think Suri is gonna have a more difficult time interacting with? No, no, no, no, no. Suri can fake it. Is there anybody you can see in front of you that you think sari is going to have a more difficult time interacting with? No, no, no, no, no sari can fake it. I can't fit sari is going to be able to fake it. Well, I agree, but there's some strong personalities in this group

that it would be hard for anybody to fake it, you know, who is sari going to have to really try, you know what I mean? Really really hone in on that faking it. I think she's going to hate Joe. Do you think she's going to hate Joe? I think she's not going to like Joe. I think she's not going to like Q. Tell me more about why Suri wouldn't like Joe.

Because like, just like Joe needs to be present. Sure. You know, Joe, like. I don't know, Joe's intense, Joe's got that little integrity bug that the real ones don't give a shit about, you know, like, yeah, I think. Is that is that what will detract Suri from Joe Moore? Is it the integrity of it all or is it the having to be kind of the guy when you're in a group of six, eight people? Well, I think she's like, she's like expecting a guy like that to be the guy like that. And

I think that's going to be hard, but I think it's the integrity bug that's going to annoy her the most. She's like, where do you work? Like, what's your problem? You know what we signed up for? Like, I don't understand. You know, like, Q does not have the integrity bug, but what is the, what do you think the Q issue would be? No, but he doesn't shut up and he's annoying. Like she's gonna be so annoying. You know, like that's just me.

I love Q. I've never played Survivor with Q. I cannot speak to that experience. And I'm interested in the general. And I think he's gonna have a hard time with Charlie. Really? Why Charlie? Yeah, because those, yeah, sorry Charlie, but those like palatable men that say a lot of words, but it's it's only summary. It's never actually

like a deducing anything interesting from that, you know, like he can. Yeah, yeah, we did this first boot draft the other day, where Zach compared Charlie to Corey. Like they have similar scenarios. Is that something that you recognize with Corey and Charlie? I mean, yes, I think Corey has more of like the bravado ego bug in him than Charlie does. But they both have that like, how can you not tell that I am the smartest

person here and I am tricking you with everything I say, but like actually has nothing to say ever. You know, I think give Charlie eight years, then he should have played survivor. That's why I said to Corey, I was like, give you 10 years, you should have played the big brother at 32. You know, everybody says that everybody says, you know, they're just like that. I've I've talked to folks for however long everybody thinks that five to 10 years later would have done them. Even if you go on at 30, like 30 wasn't 30 wasn't old enough.

Like people, I think they yearn for that. That level would like life experience, excuse me, which is interesting. With with Charlie, is there anybody here that you see that maybe Suri hasn't necessarily mentioned offhand, but you think Suri would love right off the bat? I mean, her and Aubrey are going to I think if they get to play together, I don't know what you know, like I kind of hope Aubrey is on series for starting tribe. I think that's going to be I

think that's going to be a great relationship for her if they can get to each other on the beach. They play quite a bit of game changers to get most of the I mean, the whole end. I believe they were on separate starting tribes, but I don't remember a lot about Aubrey's game changers run. Like I remember like Korong, like it was yesterday. I could tell you everything about the Koran run, but game changes. I think she had a quieter run and only place.

I mean, she places fifth. Serious six. So they're right. They're right next to each other. But I'm interested in what Aubrey is going to bring to a to a fourth time. Yeah, Aubrey's got a kid now. You know what I mean? Like she's like a new one. Like I feel like she's had this like huge life, you know, evolution and now she's coming back to the game.

I think that's going to be interesting. Nobody want is Jeff like, I mean, I think everyone's a little gay but like Jeff is gay for Colby. Like why is Colby on this cast? You know what I mean? Suri is going to kill Colby, you know, like and they spent some time together. I believe Colby idol Sur Suri out famously of Heroes of Villains.

I don't know if Colby had the idol physically, but somebody, Suri left fourth in Heroes of Villains because of an alliance with Colby. I am very interested in the Colby return only because Colby round three is like super tired. I'm super like, he seems disinterested. He seems like like a little bit like above the show. Maybe just like it wasn't, you know, but now I think I'll go ahead. No, no, just like have you seen no, I want you to finish your thought. Finish your thought Brandon.

I am curious as to with now his his first confessional heroes is a villains is one of my favorite survivor confessionalism all time where he's like, it's been 10 years since I played the first time, like I just want to see if I still got it is the quote. And then like the whole season elapses and he doesn't have it. He doesn't he doesn't have it. He doesn't have it the entire time. And he ends with a really beautiful confessional, which I think he's recognizing that he doesn't have it, but he

still doesn't want to give up. I think that's beautiful storytelling. I do wonder now, it's been 25 years since Colby's played Survivor. Like, does he have it now? Was it a slump? Like I, I, if there's anybody like from the fourth round, like playing for a fourth time, I'm interested the most in his story. I don't necessarily like, you know, I'm not rooting for it, but I'm interested in what the story looks like. I'm just from a somebody who loves survivor storytelling. But I cut you off. Tell me your thought about Colby.

Well, this is just a random thing and then I have thoughts about what you just said, but like, did you ever watch the season of Alone where Colby was the like ingrained production, like exit interviewer. No, is that real? I didn't know that existed. And it was like a little like extra, like the last three minutes of the episode were like the person that tapped out had a conversation with Colby. And it's like Col. I think that was his way of being like, see, I was on Survivor for the right reasons.

Like I believe in survival, like, you know, like in that kind of element. And he was like trying to show his knowledge of survivalism with the real survivalist on Alone. Like that is a real survivalist. It's a tough sell to do that. I understand how that can be tough to talk to the- That was just my little like fun fact for you.

But I do think like, this is what I think. I think players like, I think Colby and Ozzy are potentially in trouble because their whole game rested on their comp wins basically, you know? And so I think like for players like them, it's gonna like, we're gonna see how much personal work they've put in, in their life for 25 years to see if there's like self awareness there

for like who they are now comparatively, you know, or like what their relationship is to everyone else on the beach now that like Ozzy isn't in the young wunderkind like kind of, you know, spot. So, like, what's that going to look like? And I think if, like, there hasn't been, like, a reckoning with the time, they're going to struggle a lot, you know? Like, that's why I think, like, people, I mean, sorry to do this, but I think more likely

the old school women are going to be more successful than the old school men or something, just because I assume that women. I agree. I think I agree with that. Well, you know, Ozzy, the interesting Ozzy point is like coach is very disconnected. He's very good friends with Ben Katzman, but he doesn't like he's not in this world, the world that you and I exist in. Colby is the furthest removed that you can be. Like he is not at all here. Ozzy, like I've met, I'm not sure if you've met,

but like Ozzy's put in FaceTime with this group, which I do think bodes well for him. That's why I think the Colby story is so interesting because he is literally, it's like he's playing for the fourth time with all new people. Like he knows Stephanie and Saree and Coach, I guess, like briefly, but he is in general. But regardless, he's now playing Survivor almost as like

it's his second time with just now strangers. So I'm curious to see how that ends up. Saree and Ozzy know each other from many of appearances on Survivor. Do you have any insight into how the Ozzy relationship looks in 2025 with Suri? I mean, I think look, Suri is not, Suri is going in wanting as many positive relationships as possible. So, you know, obviously, like anyone would, you know, coming onto the beach, but like,

I, you know, as far as I am aware, they're, they're cool with each other. So, you know, you know, there's, there's, and we can take this out. There's been some, there's been some rumors that have been swirling around of a certain old school survivor. Um, Stephanie LaGrosse has been, you know, maybe plotting a Surrey demise, which I don't, we don't need to talk about, you know, Surrey's thoughts on that, what have you, but how do you see that looking on the beach if they get there? And Stephanie tries to actualize that. Like, what does it look like for Suri if they are somehow on the same tribe and Stephanie makes the

move first? What does Suri do in that situation? I mean, it's like, it's so hard, right? Because I, you know, I have the feeling being a smart player like she is, the minute toes even look at the sand, seeds are already being planted as to like, Suri is open for business, Suri is here to play. Suri is not in your way. She is here to be people's helper.

You know what I mean? And I think she's coming in with like, Like she is, she is here to be people's helper. You know what I mean? And I think, I think she's coming in with like, obviously maybe the biggest target out of anyone there, maybe, you know, I, I would say that's not because family feels like, I just think like, like objectively she's probably coming in with people being the most scared of her.

So I think she has like a lot of work to do. The thing is like when I think Stephanie tends to be consistent about digging her own grave, right? Like Stephanie, Stephanie doesn't know what the word she's never heard the word patience. You know, she's like never heard the word empathy. You know, like I think these are concepts that like are hard for her. And so like, I think if she is just loud and whiny about wanting Suri out,

like I think that's gonna be a deterrent. The target on Suri is literally never gonna change. And in some ways like maybe Suri can ride that out one tribal at a time, in the beginning at least, where it's like, okay, yeah, but like, I'm just sitting here and you hear how loud this bitch is, you know what I mean? So I think, yeah, I have a feeling whether it is in relationship to Suri or not, Stephanie is going to be her own downfall.

Well, what's interesting is, you know, she has waited now on season 20. It's season 50. Already seasons 15 years to get back on the beach. But even in between the beach, like she was on a beach with Saree for Snake in the Grass with Rachel Riley. Um, great episode. Fantastic episode. I just watched it in preparation for that. There's episodes of Snake in the Grass. It was really good. Um, and then obviously he's in the Traders with Rachel and Saree. I'm just I'm very interested in the like, I think the older folks, older in terms of when they played Survivor, are going to be like shot out of a cannon.

Whereas I think Saree has now done this enough not to mention that Saree just played a season of Australian Survivor, which we don't know how she did. But it's two weeks long, I think it's like it's 14 days or 14 days or 16 days. So whatever it is, it's fast paced. And I think that Stephanie, she hears that it's 26 days and she's like, I got to go quick, quick, quick. And that might be the thing that bites her. I think in terms of the older folks, I am worried about Jenna Lewis. I think Jenna Lewis may be doing the same thing in terms of gunning too quickly. But I think that Stephanie, in terms of who I would rank as a going out early, I think Jenna Lewis and then Stephanie, I think, would be quickly there. So we had we just said that I think the the older women would maybe outlast the older

men in terms when they played Survivor. I don't think Jenna and Stephanie are in that statistic. I think that is your Cerise, your Aubries, your Chrissy's, your Angelina's. I think you lose you lose those two before you lose. Yeah, which is fine. I can't even tell them apart on this. Do you do you think sari is going to win? Oh man. I want her to so bad. I mean part of me hopes that like Now I don't actually attribute this to Big Brother, but let's let's go back and put this in with the Big Brother learnings

Like sirree will sit there and let I think the new era people I feel this Feeling like in my own world like a new era person, you know, like on Big Brother and everything man, if I get a second chance at Big Brother, I'm playing, like I am playing, you know, I'm playing to win. And I like feel like that energy is going to be there for so many of these new era people. And like, Saree can wait that out. Like she will, oh, you want to get Dee out? I could vote that way. Oh, you want to get this person out? I could vote that way. You want to get you know, like I think I think she could really be one of the last old school people standing or something, you know, like I think anyway, that's my

hope. Do you have somebody that you're looking at the spread here that you think if non serene could win Survivor 50. Oh, I'm getting you winner. I'm so bad at this. I'm so bad at this because I just like my wants, you know, I could give you my top squad of people that I want. Give the top squad and top squad.

Obviously, I want Surrey to win. I got to put my second as Emily Flippin. I want her to win. I gotta put my second as Emily Flippen. I want her to win so bad. That would mean so much to my community. Like to me, to mine also, like the nerdy ADHDers, like I need that, you know? Sure. I also love, I, Camilla was my favorite on her season and that would make me really happy to see her win. So maybe that's my top three. It could be the top three of the show.

That could be the final three. We don't know. Man, I've been hoping, you know, all female final three. We're hoping. What do you say? Say that again. I said have the guts to have that. They never have the guts.

Never have the if it's a. They never have the guts. Never have the guts. If it's a Joe Jonathan Ozzy Final Three. I'll literally turn off the TV. I mean, I stopped off with 48, you know. Do we watch 51? Is it over for the franchise? Who knows? Let me get this off the screen, but Izzy, tell us, you have anything going on?

This was so much fun, by the way. Oh my God. I had a great time. I could talk about this all day. So yeah, it was great. Tell us what you got coming up, anything? Actually, yeah, let me, this, I will promote a thing. I will say a thing.

You all should, at Lincoln Center, Summer for the City, I'm playing a show, free show, outside at Lincoln Center at 5.30 PM. You can look up the Lincoln Center summer festival. What day? It is the 29th of June. This will be up. I was because we're filming a couple days early. I was 29th of June. This will be out for plenty of time. Cancel your plans. 29th of June. Are you solo playing? Not solo, it's gonna be a big ensemble. It's gonna be super fun. We're playing the music of Julius Eastman,

who is this like amazing composer that, an ensemble I'm in has done a ton of work championing his music. And so this is just gonna be like a big outdoor long form, kind of experimental, loud, groovy outdoor jam. That's Lincoln center. Yeah. I Lincoln center. I'll come to that. Yeah. Come to that. I was going to invite all of you.

Izzy has been so much fun. Thank you so much for joining us. We will be back tomorrow or next time to talk about, I'm going to redo that because I was told not to say tomorrow. Okay. We will be back tomorrow. You did it again. I'm just gonna leave this. This is we're learning. This is my second time doing this. Everybody back. I'm just not gonna let you get it out. Okay, good. We will be back next time to talk about Ozzy lust with Eric Reichenbach, which will be great.

I'm so excited. Thank you, everybody. Take care. Goodbye.