RHAP: We Know Survivor - Danielle DiLorenzo Talks Survivor 49 Ep 6

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

This week, Rob and Danielle DiLorenzo sit down to talk about Survivor 49 episode 5.

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In between chasing two toddlers, I'm fantastic. Yes. Okay, well, thank you for making some time to talk about everything with Survivor. I know that over the summer, you caught up with Brandon Donlin in the Survivor 50 preview series. Maybe I'm sure we'll talk about that a little bit. at some point today as well. But what's the update in case anybody hadn't heard that podcast? Yeah.

So I had two kids 18 months apart. So the last four and a half years of my life, well, let's rewind. Before I had children, I opened up a hot yoga studio, a private hot yoga studio. And so I was teaching and I loved it. I was teaching three, four classes a day. Then I got pregnant. And my doctor was like, Like, yeah, no, no more hot yoga.

So sadly, I had to step away from that. It's still a huge passion of mine. And I do now, I have some news to share. So I do want to get back. I am going to be getting back into it. So, yeah. Is that the news? No, no, no.

So, well, okay, so two of my best friends, they started a production company. And so they are doing children's, like you, they're doing children's like YouTube channels, shows, children shows. And so I want to combine basically both of my passions like yoga and kids and might be working on a yoga online channel for kids. Cool. Yeah. So that's something that I'm working, like, it's in the works where we're starting to talk

about it, probably start working on that next year. But yeah, so I have my real estate license. I practice real estate. But also, you know, I have two small babies that I've been dedicated the last four and a half years of my life to and just being mama bear. Okay. How did you get into hot yoga? Because I don't remember that being part of your survivor story, certainly way back when. If anything, it was people you played with, Aris, Barbady, go to them for yoga.

But how did you get into this? Um, so when I moved to L.A. after I left, after I got off the show, I ended up moving out to L.A. And I just, I had a lot of friends that would invite me to yoga classes. And I would go with them. And I just really started to enjoy it. And I just took a huge liking to it. I started going more and more. And then another, another friend of mine took me to a hot yoga class because a regular yoga class is completely different than a hot yoga class. I don't know if you've ever taken a hot yoga. yoga class, but it's pretty intense. No. I've like read a little bit about like that the heat is supposed to be very good for you and we can talk about that in this season, but I think it is interesting. Yeah, it's it's very detoxifying and it's just your mind feels so like you just can clear your mind in that room for 90 minutes that you're in there and it's you focus on your

breath. How hot does it get? It's hot. It's probably like a hundred. I mean, you can make Anywhere from like 90, 95 is probably like this, it's a good temperature that most of the rooms have. I've gone in hotter rooms because I'm crazy and I really, really like the heat. But yeah, it's intense and it's exhausting. But you feel like a million dollars after. So, okay, speaking of feeling like a million dollars, you I know we're talking with Brandon about how that you were in the mix also for Survivor 50. Do you feel like that hot yoga was something that would, like, all these players, Jeff himself is fading from the heat.

You feel like that you probably wouldn't have even bothered you. I know. I'm like, I see them always, like, making comments about the heat. And I'm just like, it was hot when we all did it too. I'm like, what about the rain? Like, we had torrential. Like, they don't even get rain in Fiji. I mean, barely.

So true. So true. Yeah, this season has really. been all about the heat and how oppressive the heat is. But I remember in, you know, Panama, and I know also the beginning of Heroes versus Villains, those are some of the worst wet weather times that we've ever seen on Survivor. Yeah, no, those were, Panama was brutal. I mean, we had days, like, it didn't stop rating. Like, I had, I got sent to Exile Island with, what's name? Austin.

Austin. Thank you. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, and we were in a tree stump

literally for, for 48 hours. Like we, because it just torrential downpour. And we were absolutely freezing, like just praying to the Lord that we were going to be okay. So yeah,

I mean, the, the circumstances back then, the weather conditions were terrible. So when I hear them complaining about them now, I'm like, you guys like, and we had 39 days.

Like, hello. Yeah, it's a good perspective because I think you would take the hottest day on survival. any day over a cold and wet day on Survivor. Absolutely. I mean, if the rain is brutal because you're literally, your clothes don't dry, and then you're sleeping and soaking wet clothes, and your feet are raw, your hands are raw.

Like, it's, it's, and in the heat, you can go in the shade. Mm-hmm. You can go under a tree. So I'm excited to get the chance to talk to you because I know from the podcast you did with Brandon that you've been keeping up with all this stuff in the new era. And so I'm interested to get your takes on things. And I thought that this was such an interesting week of Survivor because I really, I enjoyed everything with Sage and Shannon and their whole storyline. And I had remarked this week that I thought it was really fun because it was a throwback for me to see people on Survivor with a real personality clash.

And I feel like it's very rare in this era of Survivor that we get players with personality clashes and that they don't want to work together because that they're just not. feeling each other. But when we go back and look at your season, the first season of survivors specifically in Panama, there were personality clashes galore. Oh my. We were a very dysfunctional tribe, the Kassaya tribe. And the thing with it was, we won challenges. We were able to like get it together for the challenge and win the challenges. But during camp time, it was a constant battle. Like every day was a fight, whether it was me and Shane, whether it was Shane and Courtney, whether it was Bruce and, um, you know, Shane or, you know, like everyone, we all bicker like little kids, you know, and so to see the kumbaya these days with everybody,

lovey-dovey, I love you, good vibes here, good vibes here. It's just like, it's so different from like when I play it. It's, it's funny to watch because I'm like, this is not like, If I were to play in this time, it would be so different. Like, it's such a pleasant, such a better experience, honestly. And, like, you're already in, like, such stressful conditions to be working with people that are combative and, like, yelling at you and coming at you all the time. Like, it's really hard out there. Sure. So. And so when you were watching Sage and Shannon and, you know, how Sage was feeling about Shannon, did that?

at all remind you of your playing time? It did. Yeah. I think that her, I love that she would share it with us. I feel like, you know, she did a really great job of showing Shannon,

like hiding her feelings to Shannon and making Shannon feel like she really liked her and she was comfortable with her and that she trusted her. But then in reality, you know, she would turn to the camera and just be like, give that like, you know, ew, like gross face.

And it cracked me up because I was like, that's, that's pretty, that's pretty great. You know, I thought that was really comedic that she was doing that. And yeah, I mean, I think it's just the first time you've seen any kind of, you know, confrontation, really. Jaun and what's her name? Savannah. I know Savannah gets irritated with Joanne, but even so, she's not, she tells the camera that, you know, she's uncomfortable, you know, that she doesn't like, but she hasn't really told him. And it's a very one-sided. rivalry where she's annoyed with him and he I don't think really even knows that she's super upset with him but I want to talk about Shannon in particular because I was wondering if you saw

any similarities between her and somebody that you played with in Panama and Courtney yes okay yeah I so I'm all about spirituality but I feel that Shannon was using her spirituality to try to build trust with people. And I think it ended up working against her. So yeah, I do see bits of pieces of like her kind of being similar to Courtney, but Courtney didn't try to build bonds with people based off of her spirituality. I think she just showed Courtney would show that she was a spiritual person, that she would talk about it.

You know, she would go off and do her like yoga and stuff like that. but she wouldn't push it on people the two of them i think it's interesting because i think that while they do share that sort of uh same spiritual energy that i feel like that they're in some ways they're kind of opposites where i i feel like that shannon was somebody who tailored her approach specifically for whatever whoever she was dealing with she was going to be like this with you she was going to be like this with somebody else, whereas Courtney, to me, was not somebody who would tailor her approach based off of who she was dealing with. She was going to be the same way with everybody. And it really irritated some people because of how she was. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,

she wasn't able to kind of like adapt. Courtney didn't need so much. She was who she was to everybody. and like that's that's just kind of how she played it but yeah Shannon was a little bit more strategic that way where she was able to handle people differently she was kind of like a chameleon in a way where she could adapt her personality to to kind of um you know mesh with the other person to try to make them you know again build the trust and in the friendship um so she did really i do like give her props for that like i really do think that she did a great job but I just think it was a little too much at times and I think people started to feel like

because she was playing hard but not a lot of people realize that. You know what I mean? And then when Sage knew the whole time, Sage was the only one that was like aware of how hard that she was playing. People were just looking at her like, oh, she's just very spiritual and like la-di-da-da-da.

Like I don't think people really like looked at her as like any kind of threat or anything. And I think that Shannon in another world actually could have been a very dangerous player. I thought she kind of had like a little bit of a parvety in her, a little bit of parvety in her, not to say that, not to compare her to parvety per se, but in the way that she, I think that she was very powerful and I think that she was able to bring people in. You saw in her original tribe, like had she not gotten swapped, she really, she had Savannah, she had Rizzo she had Nate and I felt like that she was somebody who really did seem to have a gift

where she was able to you know get certain people like brought in and really feeling good about her yeah no I agree I think she did a great job with that as well um yeah I mean I think she did great it's just the only the only downfall is that I think people started to like read into the the spirituality talk like I think that kind of like it was too much at times. Like I love you. Like I feel like she said, I love you so much to everybody and it just didn't seem like authentic. And I think people were like, does she really love me or is she just trying to like, you know, be my friend right now and like win me over kind of thing. So yes, I think she did. You had some like really strong points, but also too, like I think it worked

against her. And obviously Sage didn't help anything. Yeah. Danielle, did you know what I think about Shannon's background that she also too is a Boston girl. Yeah. She, uh, her father owns the greatest bar. Greatest bar, which is the survivor bar now. Yes. Have you been there?

No, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going to be there. So I'm going back to Boston to see my family. Um, and I'm going to be there on a Saturday on December 7th. Okay. So yeah, I'm going to go check it out. I've been dying to check it out. I've been seeing all of the marketing about it. It looks cool. It looks so cool. I'm like, I'm going to be there. I'm like, I got to go see it. So I'm really excited. She also then the, uh, the, uh, her father is, has, uh, employed Boston Rob

Mariana. I heard that as well. It's a family friend and. Oh, I didn't know they were family friends. Yes. Oh, really? Yes. And, and he had given her some advice before she went to go play also. Interesting. Okay. I did not know. I knew that he had worked at the bar, but I didn't know that they were family friends. So that's... In your years being in the Survivor community,

did you ever give advice to a new player who went into the game? I did. Who? The Boston guy that was the pizza guy. Justin from season... Justin from season 48 you gave advice to. He's actually a family. friend. He's a friend of, he's a family. So his family is really close with a close family friend of

mine. And so when he was being, um, you know, interviewed, he would call me up and say, well, his family friend, the mutual friend called me and said, do you mind giving Justin some advice? And I said, no problem. And so him and I spoke for months, um, you know, back and forth, like he would just ask me questions like that he was being asked and all of that. And yeah, I helped him out for a really long time. And I was so stoked that he got on because he wasn't sure. And then he called me. He's like, I'm going.

And I'm like, woohoo. Yeah. And have you been to Luigi's Pizza? I haven't. But you know what? When I go home, because I haven't been back to Boston. So when I go back, I'm going to go have to check it out. You have a whole, like, survivor tour of you can go to the Survivor Bar.

You can go to Luigi's Pizza. I know. My sister lives in that area where the Luigi's Pizza is. So I will definitely be in that area. I'm going to go check. Yeah. What did you think about what happened with Justin? I was bummed. I feel like... He kind of got hosed.

Yeah. And I feel like I just wanted him to speak up. Like, I just wanted him to be like, you know, like stick up for himself. I don't know if that's the way they edited or whatever. But like, I feel like he was so passive with like him just going home. I'm like, fight. Fight for it. You know? Like I'm sick because I so wanted to like root for him and have him stay in the game. Like he's a great kid. He's super smart.

And he comes from a really good family. And I was just really hoping to see more Boston, like, you know, bargaining and like, you know, get negotiating. He was in a tough spot there with the people that he was in that group with. And I think that that was also a four-person tribe that he was in. And, of course, in the new era, they love to have really small tribes. They say that your back is against the wall. You played in, you started your survivor journey in a, you started your survivor journey in a, four-person tribe. What is the difference with a very small tribe versus some of the bigger

tribes you were in? Yeah, I think you have more time to get to know everybody because there's less people, obviously. And so, you know, if someone's really, if you don't like somebody at company, you figure that out right away, as opposed to like a big tribe where, you know, you try to get along, you try to get to know people. It just takes more time to get, you know, through get to know like seven or eight people as opposed to like three or four people um so it's it's easier to align yourself quickly you know you'll figure that out who you want to align with i think faster in a smaller tribe um and you know just hope that people like you because you be on the chopping block real quick yeah do you have any players this season that you feel like you've

really connected with in terms of they either they remind you of you or the somebody that's just fun for you to watch. Yeah, I admire like MC. I think she's such a strong woman and I just, I love how she's such a strong athlete. And I love watching her in the challenges. She dominates. And I think she has a good head on her shoulders. And I think she's playing, you know, she's playing, I think she's playing a smart game.

So I've been really enjoying her. And I'm also enjoying Nate. And I'm enjoying Nate because I, I, I imagine how I would act in a group of Gen Z, like, players. And it's just, I think he's doing a great job of not playing his age and just, you know, like really blending in with them and not making him seem like the old, the old guy, you know? That's interesting to explore because I think that I have this,

and you have this where that you played the game. And how old were you when you played Danielle? I was 24 when I first played. Okay. So you were part of like the young people when you played and then play now like you that there would be, you would be like one of the grownups and there would be like other young people there. Do you remember feeling like when you were the 24 year old? And I was 24 when I played also the first time. Do you remember feeling like, hey, like some of these older players there like so they don't even know the slang that were using? Yes. Yes. I do. You know, it's funny because I think... What were the words that 24-year-olds would say in 2006? Is that when you went in 2006? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't really, you know, I don't know, but now, like, the cringe and the good vibes, everything is like, but cringe, I'm like, I just can't. You think cringe is cringe? Yeah, I'm like, what, like, when they say that, I'm like, when they say that, I'm like, I'm like, I'm I'm like, what does that mean? I don't have a 10-year-old to explain it to me. See, that's what I do. That's my one advantage now is that I'm very out of touch.

But then my kids are like constantly, I figure out what they're saying. Yeah. I hear from my friends that have kids, you're a kid's age, the 10-year-old, 11th, 12. And they're like, it's like you literally have to like find out like the definition. Like there's a new definition that's been created for these words to be able to understand their language. So yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was totally different.

I mean, I, when I was 24, I think about it then, like, Shane was 35. But he's a young 35, Shane. No, yeah, but he was very, like, he was witty, you know? And, like, 24 to a 35 year old who was spent a lot of time with young, you know, at these young clubs and everything. Yeah, he was definitely like a young 35 year old, but still had the wisdom of a 35 year old. And, like, that's a lot on a 24 year old. I was the youngest.

Me and Aris were the same age. but everybody else like Bruce and Bobby and Surrey and Melinda and Shane they were all like way older than you know they were like 10 years older than us and that's a huge difference yeah um you know and so I feel like yeah forget that Bobby was on the old man tribe to start the game no no he wasn't he was on he was on the young he was on the older women tribe she was on the older women tribe she was on the older women tribe she was definitely like why am I on the Terry and Dan, right. Yeah, he was so, like, upset about that. I remember him saying, like, why am I on the old mantra? So, yeah, no, it's definitely, it's like so different. Like, if I were to play now to, like, be, you know, in my 40s, like, playing the game, you know, I would be one of the older people, which would be a total change from when I first played. And you have an advantage as an older person.

You have more wisdom. You have more life experiences. You have more tools. in your toolkit, you know? So it's like, I feel like, I don't know. I just feel like it would be such a different, like, dynamic for me to go back and play. And Nate's done a really good job, I think, of riding that line. Because I think that there is, like, a way it could go where it's like, this person's out of touch.

This is the old guy. He's not part of it. But, no, he's really done a good job of ingratiating himself in with this group that he's been in. Yeah, that's why I'm like, that's why I'm very like interested in his, what his gameplay and what he continues to do because I'm watching him, you know, articulate himself in a way where he's really like blending in with the Gen Z's and making it seem very seamless. And so I, I'm interested to see if that continues along the way. But yeah, I think he's doing an excellent job and he's really fun to watch. and he's a producer for like some like the black panther which is like so cool yeah yeah yeah so i think this season so far it hasn't been that many big exciting votes until we got

to this week i thought that things were starting to pick up but looking ahead we are getting into a merge where i think that this could be some real fireworks now you were there for one of the greatest merge votes that there ever was in survivor heroes versus villains when parvety ended up playing the two idols i'm sure that whatever happens this week it won't be that but it does feel like that we are finally going to have a merge where we have two sides coming to have this big face off in this vote this week yeah i do too yeah i'm interested to see how this is going to play out because it seems like they're very so much wanting to stay with their tribes you know and that's going to change so fast and we will see that once the merge hits because

you know as we all know like that can't stay they can't stay kumbaya for forever um so it'll be very interesting to see who who flips yeah because it's been a very new school survivor thing or the new era survivor thing where that we get to the merge and everything is very much mishmashed and the tribe lines are not really there. But this does feel like a season for whatever reason that you have the people from the old red tribe and the people from the old yellow tribe. And it does feel like that there's going to be this showdown coming up this week. Yeah, I feel like that too. They're just so tight. Like they're so connected to each other. And they all get along so well, you know, which is kind of unlikely too. There's no clash

of, you know, personalities like what we were talking about before. They seemed to be very, you know, likable. They all like each other. Yeah. Danielle, can you share with me your origin story of Survivor?

How did you end up on the show? So I was in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay Pool. Yeah. And I was at a bachelorette party with 25 girls. and Lynn Spillman and Eric O'Shea walked up to me and asked me if I would be interested in doing Survivor or amazing stories. Yes.

So that is how, so then from there, they had already narrowed it down to 40 contestants. And, you know, when she first walked up to me, I had seen like one episode of Survivor and I had seen Boston Robb and I was a huge fan of Boston Robb. And so I was like, all I knew, I'm old, I'm Italian. I'm like, I like to eat. The only thing I was like,

being on an island stranded without food sounds awful. I was like, no, I don't, you know, I don't think I'm interested in this. So, you know, she was like, well, think about it. When you get back, we've already narrowed it down to 40 contestants. We would just need you to send in a video and fill out the application. And then we would fly you out to Santa Monica for the final interviewing process. So my friends were like, you got to do it. You got to do it.

And I get back. I'm in Florida at the time. And I make the video. And I'm like, I got to do that. So this is crazy. Like this is like once in a lifetime kind of opportunity. And so I make the video, I fill up the application, I send it all in. They're like, we love you.

We're flying you out for the final interviewing process. They flew me out. I went through the two weeks of interviewing. And then I was on the island like three weeks later. Like it was so fast. Did anybody else in your group of 25 women that were at the bachelor's number? Did anybody else get a card from Erica? No.

And I asked, I was like, why me? Because I was so curious. I'm like, we loved your energy. We loved the work. way that you were like interacting with people we just people they said they were watching me for two days so they they were there obviously to recruit people but they had we were at the pool like for that last couple of days and they had been watching me and she walked right up to me. Isn't it amazing though that I feel like that there's so many stories like that where that you were just like

out in the world somewhere and it's so different than what the casting does now and you could say it's for better or for worse but that it was like oh Lynn Spillman saw me doing blah blah blah and was like hey you you should be on survivor and that people that are like huge characters and like memorable people like there was probably a couple of flops but you know but people that were like that somehow she had like an eye almost like like you hear stories about like you know like people that were like professional athlete scouts i know it's pretty incredible honestly I mean I go to like basketball games and it's like hey like have you ever thought about it out of the NBA seriously though that's what they do um I know I

it's they definitely don't I don't think they do that anymore at all no no now it's so different and I think that you know it's it's better in sports I guess it's a little bit like maybe like with they now they do it where you know that they're like hey send it a tape apply apply and there is like it's a lengthy process of that they that they go through I'm sure as as you know from being involved with Survivor 50 months and months and months and months it's not like that they would like see somebody on the street and then you know a couple weeks later maybe there's a couple of exceptions where where that still happens but I don't know I feel like that that's that's really good and they find

people but I also feel like that I think it should be both things I think so too I think so too there's something to say about someone that's like you know just out in the world like living their life doing their thing and like someone sees something in you that they think like that they think that you're going to be great on TV like on a reality show so it's like and the people that that have been picked that way I think are fantastic like they've been great you know like you said there's been some really big characters that have been scouted so I do think that like they did a lot of the scouting and now they're doing a lot of of like sending the tapes and the videos now I think they need to combine the two and do like

a little bit of both like you said I think because that it really does make for a great television and clashing personalities because they want people that are like people that are like the biggest fans of the show and and the people that are the huge fans of the show and for the most part like as we're describing like these people are mostly lovely they're just so happy to be there they're just like there's no they don't have like a mean bone in their body like they're so grateful to be there which is fantastic and i get it but like we want to see like the old school people we want to see like the clashing personalities the cassaya tribes and the people that like you know go thicker and like fight and like don't like

each other tribal council like that's the that's that's the survivor that like we all watched growing up you know or like everybody's dream to go there and do that but you need some people that it's like hey this is just like a thing that i'm doing because they told me i could win a million dollars yeah yeah because it's it's intriguing to watch the difference and how somebody plays if they've just been put on the show and like now they're just trying to win a million dollars as opposed to somebody that's a giant fan that has like just been dying to like be on survivor their whole life and they've applied 20 times and there's a different dynamic in those people and so it's it's just i think it's um more intriguing to watch somebody that just gets picked

And when you then you got recruited to go be on the show that it's not like how it is now where you could just stream all of the episodes. Like how did you prepare for what you were going to go do where it was if the show isn't on? Like how do you even like keep up with it? You got DVDs. They sent me DVDs. They sent me every single DVD from the first season.

And I just watched as many as I possibly could. Like I said, it was really fast for me. I was on the show like I went out in the end of September and I was on the show in October like it was like a really quick turnaround time so I didn't have like months to like prepare myself

in my mind and like I feel like I was in a bit of shock when I got on the island that like for exile island when I got there and they miced me up I was like what did I get myself into they're not giving me food like what is happening yeah and I was listening to

the podcast you did with Brandon and the thing that one of the things that really stood out to me was you were talking about like okay yeah that they don't really give them food but we didn't have food either but the water situation was so much more dire for the players who were playing in the old era yes it's like it makes me mad like I'm watching them just like go and get there like you know the little spoon and scoop the water and pour it in their key of tea I'm like that make that was so easy like we had to literally hike with giant like canteens and like hike up a tall hill fetch the water get back down with it without spilling it everywhere make a fire boil the water let the water cool and then evenly pour it into all everybody's water jug you know what I mean

and so and then you had to like and then literally you all everyone gets like just a tiny bit of water and then you're going to do that process all over again a million times so to see them get water so easily. I'm like, ah! Yeah. I think that they ended up making it easier for the players where you had players like when Beast Mode Cowboy ended up collapsing. I feel like that that might have been a turning point where they said, okay, let's let's make sure everybody's hydrated. Yeah. I think it makes for better television too because like when you're not feeding the people and in the air and they don't have water. Don't take their water away, but we just want to like say it was It was hard for us to get a drink.

I would love to talk to you about when you went back for your second time, when you went to go play on Heroes versus Villains. And so you get a call, I'm sure. I guess it must have been at some point in 2009. And they say, like, hey, are you interested in coming back? Right. Yeah. No.

So I think I replaced somebody because I don't know if I wasn't originally in the pick. I don't think. I actually don't know the full story. I just remember, like, getting a call and being like, you're, do you want to go? And it was like two week go time. Like, it was like a very. They never give you any time to prepare. And that's why, like, season 50 when I got called and I still hadn't heard from them.

And like, literally the end of May, I'm like, I'm talking to my family. I'm like, you know what? This is what they do. They literally make me wait. Like, I gave me like a two week span before. I'm like, this is what, you know, so I'm trying to like prepare myself. And then, you know, I got a call. But like, point being is that I haven't had a lot of time.

Okay. So you think you came in and you replaced somebody. I would like if, if, let me see if Brandon is backstage. If that, do we know who? I think you said Corinne. Corinne. Okay. I don't, I don't actually know who that is.

Yes. Okay. So that would make sense. Okay. So I was going to ask you about the idea of you being a villain and on the villains tribe. And first of all, was that a surprise to you that, hey, Danielle, you're a villain. Yeah, you know what? I think it had more to do with like my personality. Like, I think it just jived better with all the villains. Like, I'm not, I don't think I would have fit in with the

heroes either, honestly. I think I fit better with the villains. And yeah, I can be villainous. Like, I can make villainous moves. Like, I had done it a couple of times in each of my seasons. So I do have villain in me and I'll own that. But. Do I think I'm like a supervillain? Yeah. No, but, you know, I feel like I'm more of a villain and I, that I am a hero on, especially with like looking at the personality types that they picked on. So it didn't bother you at all to have been legal.

No, no, I was just so stoked to go. I was like, yeah, whatever, I'm a villain. I was like, you know, I was, yeah, it didn't bother me at all. And you had a great relationship with Parvety in the season. Was she somebody that you, like, were aware of prior to going to go play in Heroes vs. Villains? Had you been keeping up with her seasons? Oh, I knew who she was. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I definitely knew who she was. I knew who all of them, who everybody was when I did Heroes versus Villains. I kept up with all the seasons at that point. Now, have you followed Parvite's career in all these years after Survivor? I have watched, I haven't, a little bit of traders, but I've watched all of her Survivor stuff. I didn't see the Australia. That's what I wanted to ask you about.

I saw clips of the Australia. I couldn't figure out how to get it working. And my husband's like, it's too much effort for it. All right. Well, we can send you the links if you want to see it. So, I mean, I don't want to spoil anything for you. Well, I know she, I know she won. Okay.

Yeah, I know she won. I've been following her and Surrey. I love that. That's what I really, I kind of wanted to ask you about Surrey in Australian Survivor versus the world, because did you know, did you know what happens to see? Yeah. No, I'm aware. I saw the clips. I just didn't see the whole footage.

I was so into it. Surrey ended up having to be in the final four firemaking just like she was with you in Survivor Panama. And she ultimately, that's how she ended up going out of the game. I know. I know. And I sent her a message when I saw the clip. And I was just, I was just so proud of her because she, you know, she just, she did the best she could. And she tried her hardest. And she did a lot better than she did when she, you know, it was a big step up from when she played with me. Because she couldn't get the fire going with me. So this like, she was so close. And just to like watch her, just to watch her play again. Like she's just so phenomenal. Like I just love her. I love her so much. And I was. so happy. I was sad to see her go, but I was happy because I feel like, you know, she played a fantastic game and she went out a really good way. Yeah. Do we think that maybe between that and Survivor 50, Surrey might have, now again, that maybe you would, you would think after the first time she didn't win because of the fire making that you would think she would have

this down cold. Do you think that for Survivor 50, Surrey will have been like maybe the one flaw in her game. What's fire making? Do you think that she will have like when she'll come in and do like watch this? She's got to get it down by now. I'm going to, I'm going to call her and be like, Ceree, get out there and start making fire girlfriend. It's too late now.

So yeah, it is, you know, I know. So hopefully at that point, I feel like her confidence was would be, you know, at like she'd be really confident in making the fire. She did, she did a great job the second time. and, you know, I feel like if she had an opportunity to do again, she, she would kill it. Yeah. I do. Now, I know that you went very far down the path with Survivor 50 and it didn't work out.

Are you still looking forward to watching Survivor 50? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Of course. I mean, I played with all of those players. Like, you know. A lot of them. A lot.

A lot. Stephanie, Colby. Coach. Marie. Coach. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot. And so I'm very interested to see, you know, how they play.

And, like, if I was, if I was on the island, like, who I would have worked with based on, like, what I see and how they play. So, yeah, I'm very interested to see this season 50. There's a lot that's been said about, okay, are the old school players going to be able to hack it on Survivor 50? Do you think that there's a possibility that we watch Survivor 50 and the older players like, oh, my God, this is, why did anybody tell me this was going to be so hard? I don't think that is going to be the case. I don't think that at all. We had 39 days.

They have 26 days. That's like, you know, that's a fraction less than what we had to suffer through. So I feel like the old school people are going to have more. strength. Like they're going to have, you know, more understanding of like they just got to, like, they get to fight it. They get to fight through whatever the battle is. And, you know, I feel like they'll stay in the game longer. They'll have more stamina. So I don't know. And we went through so many more difficult things as old school player that the new school, it's kind of like, oh, this is so nice. What about the faster pace? Do you think that that's going to be an

issue for the players in season 50? Well, I mean, they're going to have to adapt, you know? And if they're a great player, they will. I don't think, you know, I mean, it's the same thing as like an old person hanging out with like, like, like, like, for example, my dad. My dad's like an older guy, right? Like, but he's like 82 years old. Wow.

He as sharp as a, like, sharp as a whip. He's like so freaking on it, you know, and because he hangs out with a bunch of younger people all the time and he's always done that. Yes. And so I feel like kind of like what Nate's doing. I feel like if the old school person can come in and just, you know, be like a young whippersnapper. It's just like get in there and like adapt, you know, that they'll be good. But if they stick to like the old school mentality, kind of how Boston Rob plays, I don't know how well that they'll play.

If they can't adapt is what I'm saying. Danielle, why is your 82 year old dad hanging out with somebody in the young people? What is he doing? He just like he loves, he just always has. Like he loves to play poker. He's a poker player. So he just like, and all the young guys play poker. And he's just like his group of friends.

Like he's got older friends too. But he just like he just gets along with younger people. I mean, he gets along with everybody. But he just really like is able to connect with younger people. He always has. So. No, I think there's something to that. You know, I had gone.

It keeps some young feel like I feel like it keeps some younger. Right. Yeah. I went out for, it was my birthday a couple of weeks. ago and I took my wife out to dinner and then we went into a bar and my wife was like, we can't be in here. There's too many young people. We're too, we're too old. We can't be in here. I was like, who cares? Who cares? You know, I like, I, I myself have to, I end up talking to a lot of young people. I feel like it keeps you youthful. It does. It really does. And it's like,

it's like great people watching too because it kind of brings you back. Like you see like the era of like the kids this age now and you remember like how you were at that age and how it's changed so much and it's kind of just it's kind of like reminiscing like it just i don't know it's fun it's fun i like hanging out with young people as well yeah okay of those players that you played with who are going to be in season 50 uh who do you think has the best chance to uh go very far and surprise people um well i mean i think i'm a huge fan surrey i think surrey is going to be unstoppable but i feel like it depends on how people are are going to if they're going to try to vote her off right away just because she's serri or are they going to like there's a lot of threats

so she might not be like the biggest threat because she's not you know a huge like athlete and you know all of the other um aspects like she's she's just a really great communicator yes i agree with that And I also think that, especially if she's with some of the newer players, that I just think that there's like such a reverence for her where people really like, especially these new players look at her like in Survivor Heroes versus Villains when when she went back. It wasn't like the players then were like, oh my God, I can't believe we're on the tribe with Surrey, that, you know, they thought that she was a threat, but they weren't like in awe of her. But now I kind of feel like that the players who grow up now and are like the young people. that are playing the show, Nellie, oh my God, it's Marie. We can't get rid of her. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, because she's like a goddess now, you know, with all her fame and all of the things. They're like starstruck. I know. Seriously, it's kind of like how I felt with Boston Raw when I played with Boston Rob back 20 years ago. When I saw him, I was like, I remember seeing him in a Las Vegas casino. And like, I just was like, you know, like when you see a famous person, you're just like, oh my God, like, you know. And I remember seeing him.

in Las Vegas. And then, like, fast forward, I ended up playing Survivor with him, which was pretty pretty awesome. But Boston Hero. Have you followed his career in all these years since you played with him on Heroes versus Villains? Not really. I was disappointed in Everding. I was disappointed in when I played with him in Heroes First Villains. How so? I, it was either Rob's way or the highway. And I don't, you know, I know I aligned with Russell and it was the Russell versus Rob and Rob had like an alliance of seven people that I just felt like that wasn't going to work out for me. I was going to be on the bottom immediately. So I felt like I had a better connection with Parvity and Russell and I just felt like we had we were able to do more damage because even though we didn't have the numbers, we were powerful and we were. able to bring people in. And I really did feel that. And that was the truth. Yeah, it is interesting

that he has had a consistent approach throughout all of his reality TV career of like that. And it came up so much in Heroes versus Vils of either you're either with me or you're against me. Yeah. And you know, it's like the kind of thing where when it works, it works great. And when it doesn't work it doesn't work out do you feel like that that's the right approach for survivor um no i don't i don't feel like instilling fear and somebody is is ever like a good thing i just feel like that's it's not personable it's it makes you feel like you're being controlled and it makes you feel like you don't have a voice and so you know that was kind of my issue with with russell as well but i again because i had him in Parvety. I just felt like the dynamic was strong and we could like use Russell as a shield

essentially. And, um, you know, I trusted him. I trusted him in Parvety. We had a tight alliance. So yeah. Yeah, no, I don't think that's a good, a good strategy to, to instill fear. It's not, it doesn't make you feel good. It doesn't make people want to trust you. It doesn't make people want to work with you. Um, some people it does. It worked on some people, but like, not me. I don't like that. Just earlier this year, it was the 15-year anniversary of Survivor Heroes vs. Villains airing, congratulations on that anniversary. And I know it because that was when I ended up starting this podcast was into sync up with Survivor Heroes v. Villains.

And it was very fun to go back and watch as a, like, you know, it still holds up great. do you feel like was there a point when you feel like that things like because you you all have like a really good thing going right after you have come back and taken out JT and there are five villains that are left how do you feel like it ends up going wrong it was it was that day that before you go to tribal council to vote Rupert up and I Russell was just paranoid. Incredibly paranoid that day. He saw Parvety and I, you know, interacting.

And he saw how close we were. He felt it. And he was, I felt like he was jealous of my relationship with Parvety. And he wanted her to himself. So he started to plant seeds in both of our minds that entire day. and try to turn us against each other. And, yeah, when he was like, oh, yeah, you have to vote out. He said, oh, Danielle's working against her.

Right. You better, she's going to vote you out. She's trying to tell me that, that she's going to vote you out tonight. You shouldn't trust anything that she's saying. And then he would go to her and be like, you know, Danielle's talking, Danielle's throwing your name out there. She's been throwing it out all day. She's, you know, she's been telling me that she wants to get you out.

And so we both like, we didn't believe it. like anyone that like starts dropping like news like that on an you know on the show like obviously when you're already like super paranoid trying not to be you it affects you it affects you it gets in your head and it affects you and he that that was his goal and he succeeded and um looking back I'm like why didn't I just get together yeah but what could you all have done what do you think should you have gotten could you have gotten rid of him sooner did you go too far with him or do you feel like that there was a way that maybe that i i don't want to say that you have to you know soothe him but like was was there a way that he was going next he was literally going

next was there a way that parvety like could have like uh you know instead of antagonizing him could have like gotten him to you know chill out a little bit and then and figure something else out later? Yeah, I mean, I run it back in my head so many times. Like, what could I have done differently? I could have, you know, when he was talking to Jerry and telling her to change your vote, I could have just jumped in because now in the tribal councils,

people start talking and they're like, like Jeff gives you time to, you know, talk strategy and do that. Like, he'll give you the time to do it. So I should have just been like, no, Jerry, don't change your vote. Like, don't write my name down. Let's write Russell's name down and get everybody at the truck. counsel to write his name down that then and there instead of mine i could have done that also i could have you know yeah that day i could have went up to car but he been like you know what let's just get

everybody to vote him off like sandra would have voted for him we would have tried to it would have been challenging to get jerry that would have been the only tricky one because she was really tight with him but to go back to that faster pace uh that if i recall you know so that was a double episode right so was that just all like all in one day where after i think that candace gets voted out right before that and is that like there's just not that much time right no there wasn't a lot of time at all yeah and so that i think that's why we couldn't we we weren't able to pull something like that off because it was so fast the amount of time that we had after candace got voted off when we got back to camp we had literally like no time to negotiate to to try to like align and figure

out what we were going to do and like he had already planted seeds earlier that day and so it was just that makes me so mad I know but you know it's all like this is I could have got to the end if he had we had gotten

Russell off I would have been sitting at the end with Sandra Parvety or maybe Jerry and Sandra and Sandra you know or Parvety and Sandra Parvety and Jerry and I could have had a really nice shot at winning that million bucks yeah

and you feel like that you had connections with the heroes? Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I mean, Rupert and I, Rupert and I were, we, we weren't super close, you know. Because you ate too many bananas? I ate too many bananas and I yelled at him at night when he would be cutting wood at like all hours of the night. And I would be like, Rupert, you know, have some awareness.

Like, we're trying to sleep, dude. Like, come on. And he'd just be like, what? What? Like, he would just continue his wood cutting. Drove me and team. But, yeah, no, Rupert and I, I don't, you know, I took too many bananas. I yelled at him about the wood.

We didn't, we didn't vibe. But Colby and I vibes. And, you know, the rest of the rest of them I had, like, Candice and I had a good relationship. And that was really the only two that were left, them two and Rupert at that point. What do you think it's going to look like when Colby is back on? television in a couple months? I hope he like steps up and like crushes like pulls the old brings the old Colby back, you know, like where he was super like strategic and, you know, athletic and just like the

Colby that we know because the last time he played, he just didn't play to his potential. I was like, where's the Colby that we know? It's almost like he just like turned his cards over and was like, I'm good. I don't want to play this. I'm done. Like he like just didn't have. any fight in him left or something. It was strange.

Yeah. I know that the rumor is that he really wants to prove to people that that was the anomaly. That's not really who he is. But do you think that he can do that? I do. I think he can do that. Yeah. I think he can't.

It's just a mental switch, you know? Physically, do I think it's going to be hard for him? Yeah, because he's an older guy, you know. but I think like he has that in him and I think he can totally step up and and play to the level that everybody wants to see him play. Also, I think that coach is very interesting to have come back because, you know, coach played so much Survivor in a very short period of time. And then it's been so long since we've seen him. How do you think that coach is going to and end up coming across in season 50? well with all these young kids i feel like they'll i think they'll be like kind of enamored by him

yeah i think they're going to eat him up i think they're going to love him in a good way not yeah i think they're going to love him i think because he's just so interesting and he's like he's such a character and the young people will just they'll love being around his energy because he's just he's good and he's got great stories he's a great storyteller now daniel you also got to work with coach on the film 180 way back when. What was it like co-starry? I did and I kissed him. We kissed.

What was it like co-starring? My husband's like, you kissed coach? And I was like, it was for the movie. That doesn't count. Doesn't count. Yeah. It was fun. It was great.

It was like the first film that I had ever worked on. And I was the rock star. He was the rock star and I was his wife. And it was, I mean, we shot it in like the middle of like, It was like St. Louis or somewhere in the boonies. But it was fun. Like, I actually had a good time. I enjoyed it.

How did that come to be? Did coach call you and say, hey, Danielle, I've got this amazing part for you in my film? That's exactly how it happened. Yeah. Yeah, he had a script with him and his friends. And he asked me if I'd be interested in being his love interests. And I was like, okay. Like, you know, I mean, it's a movie.

It's not real. So. Yeah. Um, and I was getting into acting at that time. So I, um, I was like, absolutely like this would be a great opportunity. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's, you know, it's not the best. It's great.

Yeah. Watch it. Watch it. You'll get a kick out of it. I remember it was a big deal like in the survivor world when it came. I think it was, I did it. I'm not sure if it happened before or after coach played again on South Pacific. Uh, I feel like it was maybe like a year after Heroes versus Villains.

I think it was, yeah. I don't remember exactly. In between that, I feel like. And, you know, it was, it was a big deal in the survival world. Yeah, I think so. Because that it was pre-streaming, like, there was YouTube, but it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like showing up on, like, Netflix or anything like that. So I just don't know if there's ever any way that anybody could have seen it other than, like,

getting a DVD. I know. I think that's probably the only way now because, like, back then you don't, like, you said there's no streaming opportunities um but yeah people should go watch it just okay maybe you look prior to season 50 maybe we'll have that in the in the i know now that yeah now that season 50's coming out yes do you think that these 90-minute episodes when you think about your time on survivor when you played in the 60-minute era do you feel like that uh do you wish that there were 90-minute episodes from when you played

because then you could get more footage and like they they edit it so much with us and so like I remember watching like it's funny because it's like you go through the experience on the island and then you go through a whole other experience once it airs and you see how they cut it all together and so it's it's um the more time you have for the episode the more footage that gets in and the more they can tell the story better and then they can give people more you know more camera time so they can narrate their story and have so you can have a better understanding of where they're coming from and what they're doing was there something that you did in either of your seasons that you feel like that you know what they blew it that that should have been in the episode how did they not put that in i'm trying to think from both seasons yeah or a relationship with a certain player? I just, I don't remember specifically, but I just remember like,

like the fight with me and Shane. Like, I just feel like. Which one? Well, there was, there was one of me like, which one? That's a good point. Yeah, the one where he, yeah, I mean, the one that people,

that has been airing right now, where he was telling me that I couldn't, like I had an aversion to working, which drives me absolutely bananas because I'm the hardest worker ever in the world. And so for him to see that to me, like, and I was, okay, so that there was a, they played a game to the touchy subjects game, right? And they had a question of like, who does the least work in the camp, right? Yeah, it wasn't me.

Oh, wasn't you. Okay. No. I don't think it was me. I think it was Courtney. Okay. Yeah. And so I, I mean, I, that's the thing. Back then, like I wish I was I was in I was suffering like I was in so I could not get up I was so lethargic like I didn't have water the first six days I didn't have water because my team didn't lose the we lost the flint the first the first challenge and so everyone else got flint and fire and boil their water and back then you couldn't just drink the water you had to boil it so they told you when you say you lost the flame you physically lost the flint or it was no we never got we didn't get they took our flint away got got it. Yeah, Jeff took it away. So we didn't have it. So Courtney and I, like, I remember, oh, so there's a scene that not at this, remember that we had to talk to medical because Courtney and I at one of the challenges, like, we were both like near death. And this was, you know, we were just incapable of even putting a sentence together. Like, we were so out of it. And so the medical team came over and talked to us. And they told us to drink the water. They're like, we know we've been telling you that you have to boil the water. but because you haven't had any source of liquid in your body for six days now, like you need to just drink it and then deal with the consequences. Hmm.

And so we did. And then we had to deal with the consequences. And there were consequences. Heavy consequences. Yes. Yes. That's wild that they told you to do that. Yeah. Well, I mean, that was the only option.

They were going to give us water. Yeah. So that was, I mean, I remember that specifically. And then, yeah, the fight with Shane, he just was like, I mean, I guess you got to see the clips of how crazy he was and coming off. So he used that essentially as a, to get off of his nicotine and whatever else he was coming off of, like, you know, a detox. And so it's like, we'll put somebody on here that's using this show as a detox. They could just go to hot yoga instead. Yeah, I sweat out the toxins.

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. It's just there are pieces of the story that they put together. They showed me like laying down like when they would say, oh, she's not working. Like they showed me clips of me laying down. I'm like, that's not like everyone else is laying down too. Like I just feel like also too because of how I got on the show. I was in such shock of like once I actually.

got there and like I had never gone fishing before like I had never like chopped wood and like done like outdoorsy kind of crazy things like that and so it was a huge shock to me I really didn't know how to do anything and I feel like I wish I just jumped into it faster because I feel like I was like trying to analyze everybody and watch everybody else do it and then learn from them like how they were doing it um but yeah I don't know yeah well why do they need you to like go catch fish don't don't they have other people that can do that well apparently we all have to do it back then there's not like you know you don't pick a few people go fishing catching any fish for anybody well back then in well the cassaya tribe if you didn't participate

in every single task together as a tribe then you were not you are not working hard according Okay. Should they bring back Casa Charmin for Survivor? They actually should. I think that would be really comical because it was pretty, it was pretty great to have a toilet seat out there. Well, should players use it to keep wood dry or should they use it as a bathroom? Or why can't you do both? Why can't it be a bathroom and then also keep the wood dry? Both. Maybe have a little shed up on like a little shelf on the top so they can put the wood up there. and then use it as a bathroom as well.

Yeah, absolutely. You were just a couple of votes away from being a survivor winner in Survivor Panama. It's five to two for artists. Do you feel like, was it close with getting a couple of votes from two more people? So I, you know, watching it back, I, it's hard to watch me. I was so broken down. And I feel like had I narrated my final tribal council better and had more confidence than I could have won. But because of I was bullied.

I felt like I like Shane bullied me. He like broke me down, like broke my confidence. And, you know, even him and Courtney sitting seeing them on the tribal council when they were like giving me death looks and like flipping me off. and all the things. It really got to me in my head. And I was just like, I couldn't even, like, I couldn't even think straight. And so I feel like I could have won more people over had I have given a better, a bitter, like, Shane is one of the votes for you, though, right?

He voted for me as like, uh, Shane and Bruce. Yeah, Bruce, Bruce voted for me. Bruce was a huge fan of mine. Shane voted for me, um, because he asked us to pick a number. like one to ten and I picked the number that was closest to the number he picked or something. Yeah, I think he just hated Aris. He was so, he was so jealous of Aris and I, because Aris and I would cuddle in the shelter at night. And Surrey and I would, and Aris would all cuddle.

And nobody wanted to cuddle with Shane. And so he was very like, his feelings were hurt. And so I think he like had a lot of animosity towards me because he wasn't getting the attention that he wanted. And so, yeah, he took it out a lot on. me and I dealt with a lot with him as I did with with Russell and so yeah I feel like if I had just I don't know not let them affect me you know but I'm I'm I'm an emotional person I'm a Gemini and so I you know I get I get emotional and that's that's the downfall in the game of survivor you really just you can't wear your emotions on your sleeve you got to stand strong and you know hold it in

and, you know, find another way to release the frustration. How do you do that? Breathing. Breathing techniques. Yeah. Meditation. Like, I could, I'm so much better at like calming myself, regulating myself. I have a two and a half and a, well, he's now three.

I have a three and a four and a half year old. I need to regulate myself on a regular basis. You know what I mean? I have the skills now to be able to talk myself. down and be like, okay, it's going to be all right. I'm not going to yell. I'm not going to get mad. Were any of these like frustrations with how things went on survivor, things that ended up like taking you on that journey to yoga? Yeah. It was it was therapeutic for me like in a way. Like I needed to learn how to like calm myself in stressful situations and not get like anxiety. Like I had I struggled with

anxiety like I was I had a lot of anxiety on that final tribal council like I didn't talk about it but I was like so ridden with anxiety and so I had to learn because after I got off the show I also like you know I had anxiety anxiety as well and I had anxiety with like trusting people again and just like being in the real life again like it was a huge you know shift for me I had to like really work on myself and go to therapy and do all of that um so Yeah. So yoga, I took to yoga because I felt like it was something that kind of helped me learn how to regulate myself and calm myself down. And yeah, and I just, I loved it. I loved the workout of it as well and just moving my body and freeing my mind. And yeah, and it's very, it's very helpful. Yeah. And even in hearing you talk about how you went out in Heroes versus Villains where I think you talked about that with Brandon. And you said that, hey, like, why couldn't I just, hey, Danielle, why can't you keep it together? Like, it's, that's, it's a game.

And like, I know, I let him get to my, again, emotional. Hello. Go talk to Daddy with you. You can have it. It's a back back. Oh, on it. Okay. Okay.

Can you go back out there with daddy? Because mommy's doing the work thing right now. Hey. I'm talking to me. I'm talking to Rob. Hello. This is Davy. Hi, Davy.

Maybe you say hi. Where's Davey? Baby, come here. Come here. Come here. Let's say hi. Really bad. Really bad.

There he is. This is baby. No, I just think that it's really cool that you had to something that there was a that you were struggling with and that you found the way to work on it. And I'm always interested in hearing about how ways people are, you know, trying to grow from these things yeah no that's definitely what kind of triggered that like it just kind of like I needed to find something to help me like learn how to control my emotions and you know when I get mad or when I get upset at somebody instead of lashing out and yelling at them it's like just kind of take a

breath slow down um compose myself think about what I need to say and then eloquently like say it you know or if they're upsetting me it's like come at it a different way like yelling at somebody is never gonna it's never gonna do any good you know and that's like I wish I watched myself in the confrontation with with Shane and I'm like had I just talked him down and kind of like co-regulated him um we we might have been able to like not have that massive blowout number one and two um i could have like used him like i could have like brought him in more and like kind of had more of like a relationship with him you know um so there's different there's different things that yeah i mean i've definitely worked on a lot with myself over the last 15 years um so but yoga

has always been a huge um thing for me after the show it's when it started and now it still is to this day and i you know i think it's actually really great for kids as well. So I'm excited to try, you know, to start working with my two best friends and getting a yoga kids show up on YouTube. Yeah. Well, that's really exciting to hear what you're working on. I will let you get back to the people that need you over there. Thank you for making so much time to talk with me about all this stuff. Is there anything else you want people to check out? stay tuned because I feel like maybe Danielle will get back on Survivor one more time.

Maybe other than keeping you tuned to Survivor and Paramount Plus, where else should people follow you? Instagram. So Mrs. Danielle Di Lorenzo Nath. It's a long one. Actually, it's not Mrs. I took the misses out.

It's at Danielle D. Lorenzo Nath. Okay. So check me out on Instagram, Facebook, Yeah, it's less formal. Yeah. Well, then this was so fun to get the catch up. I think it's probably been about 14 years since we got to do one of these chats. I think that if I recall correctly, I think that you and I talked during Survivor Nicaragua, which was season 21.

Oh, wow. Was it that long ago? I think so. Yes. And you know what I recall from that? I don't think you were married yet. I think I might have just gotten married. I think I just got married that summer.

Okay. But my wife, I think my wife was on the call with us. And the thing that I remember the most was that somebody bought Danielle D.Lorenzo.com. And they were advertising, like, some sort of, like, go, like, you went to DanielledeLorenzo.com. And it was, like, go buy, like, full fat salads. Do you remember any of this? I do.

Yes, that they had. I do. I don't know what's on there. Why would somebody do that? I don't even know what's on, like, forget Mrs. Danielle DeLorenzo on Instagram. Let's see. Danielle DeLorenzo.com. Hopefully it's something I'm not going to get a virus.

It looks like that maybe it's not active. I bought it. So after that happened, I bought it like the right school. There's so many years. And I think it just expired. And so I'm like, oh, I don't even know what it is now. all right well thank you so much dana i appreciate it thank you davy and uh thanks everybody for watching plenty more survivor coming up this week when we're going on the road to san francisco

take care we have a good one bye bye