RHAP: We Know Survivor - Dave Jorgensen on Survivor B&B: S47 Finale

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by the Washington Post TikTok's very own Dave Jorgenson to talk about the ending of Survivor 47!

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And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P B&B. You can stay for free. R-H-A-M-E You can stay for free Hi everybody and welcome back to the RHAP B&B for the final episode of Survivor 47. My name is Mike Bloom. Yes, call it finale part 2, call it episode 14, call it a comeback if you will when it comes to sam's fire making skills but regardless we have reached the end of the road here as survivor 47 and 2024 in survivor a very strong year comes to a close with a very strong winner a record tying winner and we are here to break it all down of course i am joined

by someone who is always a gift to me and i'm not just saying that because she is festooned with greenery. Behind her is Liana Boris. Hi, Liana. Hi, Mike. I can't believe we're here. It was a fun season, maybe a little bit of a foregone conclusion in the actual finale,

but I still think there's a decent amount of stuff to talk about. We get some sassy Jeff in the reunion, so I'm all here for it. A final foregone conclusion, yes, in this 20 minute reunion and I would imagine this podcast is probably going to last at least three times as long as the after show but regardless here's a man that I would gladly bring champagne over to

and toast to his success considering that he has made it through election season and a survivor season he is here in one piece so excited to welcome back of course the famous face behind the iconic washington post tiktok the great dave jorgensen wow thank you mike this should be you really should just intro me for everything i've ever done if i walk out of the bathroom here he comes he just you know what maybe you provide another venture for me. I am on Cameo for a low, low price. People, if you want to pay me, I will write a piece of praise for you that you will have on recorded record

that you can play every time you enter a room like you're the king of goddamn England. Well, I think that's the trick on Cameo too, is if you're able to like really utter all the things they gave you at once in like one breath and you're really good at that, you just kind of put it all out there at once so i'm just going to start requesting cameos just for you just but they're for me uh oh thank you yeah see i'm gonna rise

in the ranking screw you survivor 47 cast i'm gonna beat you all at the end of the day they'll look it'll be one review it's just me reviewing over and over again this was great five stars listen i've uh had much worse people posting consistent comments happy to be on the positive side for once well let's talk about david if you're on the positive side of survivor 47 all is said and done at this point i'm sure even in the week between again depending on to leona's point how foregone or final foregone conclusion this season was people have been looking back on Survivor 47 as it compares to the new era Rachel as she compares to the other

winners in fact that will be invoked in the final tribal council before she has even won the game Dave what did you think about Survivor 47 overall so glad you asked that Mike and yes I did rehearse a little bit of this answer yeah that's very final tribal council like you provide your own sort of straw man arguments ahead of time as to how you'd answer them so it's very appropriate for day 26 and here's why my opinion is better than rachel's um yeah no i i really thought it was one of the as a lot of people i think one of the better just kind of all together seasons of of the new era i do think you know in the end the andy storyline is what we'll remember the most kind of andy genevieve um rachel's a great winner i'm not taking that away from her but i think andy just took up so much of that space but in a way where it's really interesting and i i think what i care

most about and i think i've even said a couple times on b&b is like new archetypes i really like when there's a new type of person we meet after 47 seasons and i felt like andy was that i know there was that joking of like you know he's that owen and austin actively participated in of like their new archetype whatever but i thought andy brought so much from literally episode one to the point where the fact that he could eclipse john love it as like the character of the season is like, we all forgot. We keep forgetting. I, I can't, I forget all the time until they show the intro, this, the finale episode with everyone. And I was like, Oh yeah, John Lovett was there. And so I think that it's,

it's got a lot of great moments, obviously operation Italy, all the, all the good stuff. But I'm really, I really want to break down with you all to the extent that we can, like why each one in the final three was really individually different and unique than what we've seen before as well. I think that's also true with Sam, Sue, and Rachel. So yeah, loved it overall. I would say my top three of the new era.

Ooh, I don't know if I want to pry too much into the full list, but who's alongside it or topping it. So I really, I really loved 46, but 45 and 44, for some reason, I just, I think I just really liked jam jam as a winner and D as a winner.

And that's kind of, you know, the trend in the new era is like, I can't remember the numbers, but I can remember who won. And when I think back, those are the ones I remember super well. And it's just

they're also very rewatchable that's another part of it if you can rewatch it and really like enjoy a second time and notice new things a second time i think those are two that like really just get better with each rewatch yes from your perspective we're on the hot streak right now there's been a lot of talk as to like is 45 through 47 one of the most consistent three season stretches not only that we've had in quite some time but maybe we've ever had you would add 44 to that we'll see how 48 ends up shaping up as well but leona again are we ourselves were prognosticating a lot last week even up like how does this season get looked at how does rachel get looked at if and when she wins now that the check has officially been signed at least i hope that it is hopefully they got it in before the holidays

how are you looking back on this how does 47 rate for you right in the moment i really enjoyed the season and i don't know if this is a consequence of survivor kind of figuring out what the new era looks like and now they've been able to try a few things, see what works, see what doesn't. I think there's still some finagling that needs to be done, but maybe that's why sort of these more recent seasons have felt, okay, we're finding our stride here. I love the comparison to 45, because I think that that is very apt. I've also seen a lot of comparisons with Dee versus Rachel. So I think that those sort of parallel in a lot of people's minds. And part of the reason for that for me and Dave, I'm happy you brought this up, but for the big characters, like it really felt like 45 and 47, both had really unique,

well-defined characters. And from, you know, Andy to Rome to Genevieve to Sam, I mean, even it just felt like everybody really got their own unique story and it didn't feel like there was necessarily sort of the cookie cutter-ness of it all. And I think that 45 also had a very similar energy. And, you know, with D's and Drew's and Austin's and all of that, it just made it really fun, unique, and easily watchable. Now, do you think that comes at least partially due to the 90 minutes

that we are giving more time and that honestly, we may have found a new era within the new era that 45 has now sort of begun this. Okay, I still continue to say that casting is the strongest part of the new era. And now we're really getting to know these people just due to the fact that we're getting one and a half times the material.

And Survivor 47 is by airtime's perspective the longest season in survivor history this is the most amount of airtime we have gotten out of any season in survivor history i have a bit of a hot take on that so i i do i like 90 minute episodes i do and i agree with your your era within an era inception night 45 90 minute whatever um but i think that it i'm really looking forward to the day and sorry to cable sorry to cbs when it's kind of all streaming because that would make it less about how many commercials do we have to fit in what how do we have to fit this slot for the next hour and a half and there could be episodes like i want to say it was episode 9 or 10 this season there was one episode where i was like this did need to be 90 minutes i don't i can't i remember that the kyle boot

episode was one that i know and i were both like uh not this could have been an email but like we could have gotten the fun saw trap we could have gotten kyle being beaten and that's pretty much all that was necessary for the episode yeah and so when you don't when you don't have the constrict like the constraints either direction that has to be the shorter has to be this long i think that does free it up a little bit to like okay let's include this scene but we don't but you know sorry sorry to you kyle that's enough we got it sorry for you sorry for you sorry for you no i that's a that's a great point right the way maybe it's the holiday spirit but i love how you said that like and also with you is that jeff's little statement yeah

sure well that's kind of the sanctuary where good things happen right that's the call and response like the sanctuary where good things happen remember on survivor I'm going to start just I'm just going to like really treat it like a holy place you'll be treated to a communion wafer as much wine as you want to drink i've been craving communion out here i mean gabe did get down to his knees for cookies and cream cake that's all i'm saying yeah sponsored by applebee's and there's christmas day and easter day at the sanctuary all the cast members come back but you don't see them other times at the sanctuary yeah okay good oh my gosh i i know i look i think that that's a really great point members come back, but you don't see them other times at the sanctuary. Yeah. Okay, good.

Oh my gosh. I know. I look, I think that that's a really great point because if you like, let the editors tell the story, right? What's the story? Tell it in the best way possible with all the footage you have. So maybe one week it's an hour, maybe the next week it's only 45 minutes because that's the, you know, the story that the editors want to tell. So that's sort of, you know, compressing it or expanding it potentially. And we feel that I think even a little bit with this, right, with the four hour, two part finale, where we're now sort of taking things and having to expand them out. I think that the editors did a good job in this episode of not making it feel too boring for example i love that they did the fallen comrades segment intertwined with the jury thoughts i thought

that was very cool uh but certainly there were moments where you know it could have been a bit tighter yeah when we when we get the jeff yet again doing the oneer walk and talk intro of okay here's what happened last week into the previously on into the opening credits into every one of the final four being like all right this is where we're standing and then the next day we're gonna get the final three talking about it i mean it is really interestingly paced uh what's a pace that the this is the shortest after show ever and like i know that people can really take or leave the after show yeah i think to dave's point for some it might have been like all right this is like a nice way to kind of kill it off slowly is just dedicate less and less time to it but this is

pretty wild that in a finale that only had final four fire making and the jury vote you would think that they'd actually dedicate more time to the after show but we got basically 20 minutes and it was three segments it was checking in with the finalists and talking about andy's you know zero to hero storyline it was going around the jury and talking about not even their individual stories but these random questions like genevieve what do players have to learn about how to blindside somebody and then the survivor 48 preview so it was it might honestly beat out triple h is like the shortest after show ever but it just led to this very interesting way they

paced everything out despite knowing we know now that like jeff was informed out there that cbs wanted an extra episode and so they very much planned the end game around this structure knowing that they were going to have that extra installment. Is that, sorry, that's so funny that he was informed out there. So he's like, okay, I have an idea. I'm going to try to walk this whole, like the tribal council. I just walked the whole time. I'm watching that as someone who like is in the media.

I'm like, man, he did that for him. He wanted to prove that he could do that. And I get it. Like if I can do one take, that's amazing. But like, no one cares. We saw Goodfellas. We saw the one. We don't care. He just cut around it.

That was for him. Okay. That is actually good to know that he was informed out there because I thought that maybe there was a universe where he had to go back and re-film that in some capacity. The biggest, I think, canary in the coal mine as to the fact that they knew it would be split

out like this is the final immunity challenge, actually. Because if you think about it, if you look at the last two immunity challenges of this season, usually, in terms of what these challenges are all about, they're usually swapped. The final five is usually the big obstacle course

into the puzzle. In fact, this was quite literally the same location where we had the controversial Liz Helps Kenzie Beat Maria challenge. And then the final four is almost always, especially over the past 10 seasons, the balance, dexterity, hand-eye coordination test, like a simple yet complicated task.

But I'm pretty sure they talked about how on, on fire that because they knew the episode was going to be split up, they wanted like a big spectacle to finish things off, knowing it would be the only challenge in the episode. And so they decided to make that swap in the moment. Can I give my, can I give my after show hot, and I'll stop saying hot take after this. My on fire take. Yes. I think I get it. give my can i give my after show hot and i'll stop saying hot thing after this uh my fire my

on fire take um yes i i think i get it they it sounds like i mean what we can we can ascertain that they can't afford the reunion show or cvs is like we don't want to send everyone out and like and and put build this stage for 45 minutes so that we can all be awkward on live tv so if that's off the table and we have to film it while they're on the island, can we wait a day? Can they just can, can like, can it just be the next day while, before they go on the plane and maybe in daylight, maybe be like, here's travel council during the day, by the way, it looks like this.

I don't know. Like, or go to one of their campsites and make, I just, I think that the, no one, no one that I know likes the raw nature that people are in. Luckily, like Sam and Sue in this season seemed OK, but I don't like watching that. It doesn't make me happy. I don't like I get my what's it called? Shodan Shodan Shodan. Yeah, I get that from like other parts of the show. I don't need it here at the reunion. It's over. I want to celebrate them. So I just I just think they have to like

i don't know give them a moment to just think about it and because i do think i the one thing i agree with jeff is there is value to the idea that like they haven't been influenced by social media or media yet before they become influencers exactly and yes like i would have liked to see more sol but i mean if they just shoot for enough hours they have the footage there where they ask solid question like i don't care about the question of Saul you're really popular on Twitter now what do you think about that I don't I never liked that reunion show I think there's a little bit of the other part of this always sucked by the way you don't want Saul to like really make the most out of the vest meme and just like come out wearing only a

vest and nothing else on his body but that's what social media is for i've been getting that i've been injecting my veins for weeks now he's already been doing it so i just like i'll take that trade-off but i i also just think people forgot the reagan show kind of was always a bummer anyway i never loved it am i alone in that am i no i mean well it is interesting yeah that i think it's always about you don't know what you've got till it's gone right like uh joni mitchell sang about oh were the days of mayim bialik being asked a question in the audience and terry bradshaw talking about how jimmy johnson really sucked at survivor like there were complaints about it in the moment there are complaints about it now i still would like it or like even the happy medium of doing like a little bit of a check-in

like right you know a couple days later or even just like hey it's been a month since you've come back how's everything going like i get jeff's feeling about we want this raw in the moment experience just felt in this case that kind of like shirked what they liked it in favor of yeah we'll just kind of clip together a quote-unquote best of sequence of three segments but and maybe maybe you don't know like does he really want the right or is he just trying to sell it like he sells it 26 days i i don't i'm not convinced uh i think jeff is the 19th player out there he's playing us there's a there's a universe where i would love to hear genevieve have to answer how does it feel to be

mother but outside of that i do i do understand what you're saying that you know look what like what type of information would i want to hear i kind of want to hear the three finalists reflect and talk to the jury and then come back and give their takes right because it's always going to be the same well it's going to be one of two reactions i feel like from a losing finalist. It's either like they're clearly upset and trying to keep it together or it's like, oh, yeah, good game, Rachel. Yada, yada, yada. That's so boring. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing. What else are we getting? Like what's the unique thing? And I think for people like Andy, I'm happy that we did spend time on his segment because at least he had a couple days outside of the game to really reflect upon that journey and to hear that you know him and caroline had a whole like deep

dive and talked about everything like but that's because he had that time whereas the final three you know didn't get that same opportunity yeah and what i will say as well is that again to the honest point i think despite the fact that maybe about 20 minutes in, at least from my perspective, when Rachel won the immunity challenge, I had a very good feeling that things were pretty much set in stone. There was a little bit of a shaking to the bedrock at least. And this really was the forged in fire, quite literally fate of Sam who, you know,

some people were on and off. I know Rob was certainly trying to really step in there being like, well, Sam does have some jury votes and depending on how he gets there, especially if Rachel's not there, that didn't end up not being the case. But for him to essentially do the 28 to three of fire making in how he is able to come back versus teeny and then seemingly, and I think speaking towards being one of the only broadcasters in this

season to actually make it to the end of the game, using that experience to put together what seemed to be and was agreed upon even in the after show is like a pretty dang good losing effort at final tribal council. It at least made for, I think a more entertaining and intriguing episode than we may have thought on paper. I still did think that like Rachel's body of work was going to speak for

itself. And it's not like she really fumbled the ball massively at tribal council it was more so kind of an argument of okay which gameplay style do you favor more in terms of a jury vote but I'll give it to Sam for keeping it pretty interesting for the two hours yeah he was here's the thing with Sam for me personally specifically I the whole season as someone who's you know desperate to get on the show could i had the opposite effect of teeny where i was like oh i love sam that's how i would play like i was doing i was doing the like and the way he answers questions like i can't think of a specific example right now but he was so good sometimes i try to play and like pause and

how will i answer this question from jeff and he would do like that or a better version of it and i just thought this guy is so especially for reading 24 like just so impressive in how he articulates his thoughts and how he doesn't he doesn't hurt other people's feelings he's very thoughtful like even winning the fire the way he was able to collect himself really relatively quickly to like you know say like congratulate or not congratulate to comfort teeny um congratulations congratulations on second no but um uh no teeny's great but i i congratulations on the wind i guess uh but the i just i just thought he was played so well and like and yeah rachel's game was better but if i were out there and i knew i was probably gonna lose like that's the best thing that's that's pretty like the best you can

do out there for a game that's's not going to win in the jury. Yeah. I felt like Sam's, I mean, in what I feel never comes across well in final tribal council is when the contest, the final three start talking to each other because it always just sounds like sibling wobbling over little things. Like it just comes across as so like juvenile be better yeah be over

it so you know like when rachel talks drops the bomb about her sneaking up into the convo and then sam tries are you it's like just let her have that just let her have that i don't know i mean i get it from his perspective where it was uh find a way to find a way i mean quite literally from his dietary perspectives his pov this entire season was try everything and so it does make sense i mean i talked about this i was on the survivor now podcast uh this past weekend and they asked like if you're a suit if you know that you're a guarantee if you get the sense that you're a zero vote finalist that you dropped your own bomb and it basically diffuses itself within the first like the the fuse sam reacted sam reacted sam's not voting i think he was the only one to react but i assume they talked about it at ponderosa but anyway sorry

but i think that uh you know people were asking okay can you do anything and i would say just let your interrupting thoughts go wild if you are not being given the space right take that space and hold it as it were like you come in and you say that's a that's a great answer that Rachel gave to piggyback off of that let me talk about how then she came back to me and told me what was happening and then I told her about my idol like it's kind of self-absorbed to say and obviously not the most social thing to do in an inherently social game. But like, if they're giving you nothing, you got to start doing something. Make stuff out of thin air and just try to bring things back to yourself so that you stay in the conversation.

So as much of a stretch as things might be, to your point, Sam responding to that, Rachel's thinking about being like, yeah, well well that was all of hearts we were actually just trying to bring teeny and rachel's like uh-huh yeah you had the little uh cardboard mirror set up so that you knew that i was behind you the entire time yep sure sam it's all an act it's a you're just continuing that legendary performance in operation italy i don't know i like it like continue to bring these performative aspects in and make it as rude as hell yeah it does need some rudeness because also if it's not rude then then we just are just walking towards a rachel win without any kind of conflict we need some conflict right yeah yeah yeah i mean i think obviously for i think for sue and sam it's a it's sort of two different i think those are those are so different i mean when everybody's asking

rachel what about this okay now i want to hear Sam and then crickets for Sue until you have Caroline being like yeah hey can we ask Sue that question also and Sue's just kind of sitting there the whole time sort of waiting um but at least I guess it's a little bit better than Troy's and because didn't Troy's and during game changers just be like well guess I'm third place it's interesting because like he I'm not gonna say he quit he kind of like realized he was losing and invoked his own little league mercy rule of being like look i know i'm not getting any votes so i just want to thank everybody for giving me the chance to get to the final three this is something i've dreamed about doing for years at this point so i will recuse myself from

the testimony i'm just gonna sit back here you know if you want to start bringing out the ponderosa menu items at this point i'm basically already there mentally speaking let's watch brad and sarah really battle it out that choice was good there because it felt like he was living my experience watching that season i was like yeah i'm over it too choice i mean tara played a great game but let's let's get to that yeah thanks everyone let's move on yeah um but no i think i think sam did a really great job and i think that's the other thing you I mean, Tara played a great game, but let's, let's get to that. Thanks everyone. Let's move on. Yeah. But no, I think, I think Sam did a really great job and I think that's the other thing, you know, Dave, you mentioned his age and I always forget how young he is

because me at that age, I do not have the emotional maturity in order to handle that situation. So, I mean, really props to him and also props to teeny as well for being able to have the self-awareness to recognize that I'm projecting, like the that teeny was able to say look i'm i think i'm projecting my own insecurities onto sam and to go through that whole journey on the island like that's normally the thing you realize once you see yourself on tv you see the reaction then you come to that realization to do it within 26 days while you're starving is extremely impressive or the people who never do

that's what really impresses me about this is the fact that teeny lived and died by their openness out there like they were just a very candid player which is wild again in a season of dishonesty they were very open about when they were struggling emotionally they were very open including a tribal council about like i'm confused i feel left out they weren't necessarily trying to project anything of like yeah i actually knew the entire time and then it plays out here when again there are so many people that everyone comes into this game despite the fact that ideally survivors when you sort of break down society and try to rebuild it inherently and internally within this island-based setting people are always going to bring their life experience and their

preconceived biases and notions into the game and very very rarely do you get someone to admit like basically yeah i have a little bit of a hot boy bias that i am someone who is coming to terms with my own gender identity and so i see what Sam has been able to do and what he's been able to pull equated to like what I can't do in my life and that's why I resent him it's even more impossible this is like when Jeff was winnowing down Sue these are the number of people

over 50 who play the game you're in the 5% etc it's even more so for someone to have that realization on the island in the moment minutes before their demise and to open up about it and so that's why i give teeny again so much kudos is that when you get cast on these shows there's at least a little bit of a sense of ego and again it makes it very rare to find those people that were like i was wrong for doing this or this is the reason why i did it it's

a very hard dose of truth to swallow and teeny didn't take a whole spoonful of it they took the whole bottle of it and just like absolutely spewed out what they were thinking in the moment which felt so i don't know so again open to me and so refreshing and so relatable at the same time yeah speaking of sort of unique uh archetype so to speak, like we've probably had someone out there before. I'm sure we have, who's projecting something onto someone else,

but to do it in the moment and to, to take it back. And also someone who's that young and talking to has the self-awareness to, there's a couple of lines this season where they said something like, you know, I did what a 23 year old does and I opened my mouth and I thought, okay,

that's super interesting. I would love to see her in five years, them in five years. And, and I, I don't know if teeny wants to, I have no idea what their current state of mind is after that, but it would be really interesting to see someone like teeny later on and, and how they handle things differently. I would love to see teeny come back and play at this. I mean, you know, there was a Jeff said like someone from this season is in contention for 50.

And I, at first, I was like, oh, okay, maybe it's Rome. And I'm like, I don't know. There's so many amazing people that I would love to see back from this season. It is interesting, yeah, because I don't think that, obviously, compared to 46, like, the personalities could not be nearly as large as the people on there. But I think by comparison i mean i still think the top two are probably going to be some form of andy and genevieve but like i want to be surprised to see teeny pup up there sam i i don't know if they're going to bring back winners

but i think now that rachel especially has tied a record and i think has a little bit of like this michelle fitzgerald i wouldn't say chip on her shoulder but like certainly how some of the internet has viewed her win even after the fact which is like that she got lucky that she relied on idols and advantages and immunity wins. But Sam also tried to, again, sort of throw at the wall as a reason why she shouldn't win. Like, I think there is a little bit of something for her to prove there as well. Like there is a lot of interesting characters that i think could certainly get brought back from this season it'll be interesting to see in the grand spectrum of whatever 50 ends up being because again i do think compared to maybe some of the other players that while they do serve as

very unique they might get compared to from an archetype perspective i would not say they're like as big flagrant personalities as those people with a couple of exceptions, but like very, very good. And I think especially in a season that was less on the goofs and more so on like the inherent character drama that existed, there was a lot of really interesting stuff going on.

Yeah. I just to double add to that, I think Rachel, but basically once Rachel went immunity and I agree with you, Mike, I was like, all right, even last episode when she wanted for five or five, I'm like, I know that's pretty much it. I was just thinking kind of along those lines of, you know,

she's going to win. And I really want to see her out there in a different situation. I want to see her fighting for her life at the end, because I think, kind of like Michelle Fitzgerald, I was thinking more even like Sandra where I think because and rachel talked about this in her final tribal like she just she adapted she had to adapt she wasn't she didn't think she'd be the ben treebrook and mike holloway or whatever but uh i like that she adapted to the game that was there in front of her and i think that she would do that on different seasons a whole different

theme a whole different group of people i really think that she of all the winners we've had in the new era at least is one of the most adaptable. It could have a really interesting second go around out there. Well, and also just thinking about what was Rachel's perception. I mean, from both the, I guess the cast and then the audience, because for the audience, and I was talking with my, one of my cousins watches the show and felt like Rachel came out of nowhere. You know, all of a sudden, Rachel was the big, oh, Rachel's a huge threat. Rachel's going to win. Rachel's going to win.

Sort of when we hit that, it was that split tribal where, you know, Rachel was presumed to go until Saul ends up saving her. And that felt like, I mean, to them. And I feel like also to a certain aspect with me that came out of nowhere. And so I'm very curious to have a different like a different story. You know, what was Rachel doing early that made her such a threat or like what were the things that made her really stand out and in a different group of people? How does now she play with them, especially given the fact that there's a lot of discussion about her playing such an amazing game? So I would love to see that again. Yeah.

And I think as well, to Dave's point, the game that she went out there with every intention to play was far from what she ended up doing. And that's awesome. Again, adaptability is basically her middle name at this point that she's like, shit, all right, I guess I have to win my way out and use an idol from the final eight onwards

and not become vulnerable then. Because, yeah, I mean, even her edit came a little bit out of nowhere. And maybe that was also due to the fact that she was surrounded by larger storylines and larger characters as well and it's interesting because the meta of the new era we've talked about this so many times right is that want to be a big player but don't stick out too much because then you'll get cut from like eight to five and rachel both is proving and also the exception to that rule that like

yes she did have that moment where she was nearly taken out of that split tribal council but otherwise she was pretty much able to work things behind in the background uh you know from pretty much the beginning of the merge until kyle ends up going and then she really just sort of comes into her own but then at the same time she is this threat too that dictates the end game. That is, again, something very rare we see. Even someone like Dee that was so dominant to us only really had one round where people were looking in her direction. So I'm not sure how much this is going to shift the meta from 49 onwards, but I'm really intrigued to see what Rachel's journey is going to do as an effect of

the players from here on out yeah definitely i uh i do want to mention one moment that was probably my favorite moment of the entire finale okay and it was during the reunion all 20 minutes of it and it was when andy he's asking talking to and jeff's talking to andy and andy is you know talking about his journey blah blah and andy is the word orthogonal and jeff just stops in the middle and goes look at this nerd haha nerd nerd words what a nerd if there was a locker there i swear jeff would have shoved andy in there like it just broke him it was like whatever else andy had to say about his you of the game, just nothing. It was like Andy used the word orthogonal

and Jeff was just thrown into a tizzy. I love that too. I also, my favorite could have been moment of the reunion is, or sorry, after show, is the transition they're making where once again, Jeff's doing like a one shot, like, look at me, I can grab champagne and pizza and whatever, and it's all, when they're all moving behind him all i want him to do

is say hey sam could you move those desks yes all right sam everybody everyone around sam ladies get away from him please like don't think you're cute here for when teeny mentions this they immediately cut to sierra sitting on the jury like you shady boo things sitting there trying to make something out of nothing how dare you uh but yeah i i i agree and the thing is like real ones knew that that was a reference to sylvia from of course survivor fiji of course non-orthogonal uh et cetera et But like, at the same time, you know what it is, actually, with Jeff? It's sort of like when you approach an actor that you love

and you make reference to like a role that they had early in their career. You're like, when you did this in this episode, that was great. And they're like, I have no memory of that, but I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I think that's what happens when you reference Survivor Fiji to Jeff. And he's like, OK, great. Unless it has anything to do with the fall of the fall of the four horsemen or the car curse.

I don't know anything about that. So, sure, I'm not going to get the reference, but I appreciate that you were able to sort of make that tongue in cheek as I also lampoon your work choice at the same time. I don't know. I have so much to say about again whatever we talk about the after show i i'm never going to be happy with it uh but i did i i mean i want sassy jeff i know leona you talked about that too the top like at least we got sassy jeff but it's just there's nothing there's nothing that other than we make fun of it which again is what we do at the Overeating Show is that we would like make fun of the Overeating Show. So I just don't, I don't know that there's anything that they're adding to it.

I wouldn't be surprised, though I don't think it will happen, that they just kind of, it goes from 10 minutes or 20 minutes to 10 to five minutes to just, here's the preview for next season. Imagine if they said, congratulations, Rachel.

Now everybody don't boo. We're going immediately to what's coming up the next season imagine if they said congratulations rachel now everybody don't boo we're going immediately to what's coming up the next season yeah we need to hear about chocolate milk boy or maybe what they maybe what they need to do is like after they dismiss everybody right like the party streamers have come down you know the pizza boxes and champagne glasses are tossed on the floor of tribal council jif's in there being like what a season huh operation italy changed the game forever rachel tied a survivor record well let's do it all again shall we it's more so him kind of wrapping it up by himself after the confetti has come down and then we move into next season rather than i mean i i think uh the survivor 47

cast with no impugnment to survivor 40 was right to boo during their own after show minutes after rachel was crowned like and now on to the next one folks you're 15 minutes starts now here comes your irrelevancy yeah i you know what jeff should do is do like the classic get like just have them okay now you're happy. Now you're all sad now. And it get like reaction shots and then just shoot his questions 10 months later. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then they'll, yeah, just really use that against them. And just that way we have like,

we get the best of both worlds. I don't know. There's my, I still, I'm stuck with my solution i want i want daytime the next day broad daylight let's expose your game in tribal council and you've had time yeah i want them hung over a.m that's yes yeah why not yeah yeah i didn't know you could capture those raw emotions there yes like all right we really want you in the moment to feel things like while you are nursing that headache talk about the feeling of losing out on a million dollars yeah sam are you sad no i'm just keep dialing all. Yeah.

All right. Well, we have a lot of preseason prediction stuff to get through right now because we even though it still is for players, which is one of the smaller numbers we come into the end game with. We still did write out preseason guesses about the final for a very fun final four i'll be intrigued to see you know jeff couched in one of his many walk and talks like nobody would have expected that these people would have made their way to the end game the question is liana how true is that and let us start with a big presence in teeny teeny obviously very fun personality in the preseason people had high hopes for them based on

their self-appointed social butterfly nature do you agree with them how did you think they would do okay i had teeny making the finale i said that teeny is our social monarch of the season if they can make connections with their text or neighbor, they can certainly make connections with anyone on the island. Teenie moves through the game and never really in any danger relying on their social relationships. This takes Teenie all the way till final four fire making where their social flame burned bright, but their literal fire did not.

Teenie is eliminated in the fallen angel spot. And I am sad. Also also teeny is a solid narrator throughout the season and crushes it in confessionals teeny's ally was everyone and their enemy was chemical combustion i did not think of the wind being against teeny in the way that it was but i was shocked when i reread this i was very happy with myself and there's like a non-zero chance that genevieve is some sort of like uh air mage right or like yeah she was uh wind bending yeah exactly the fire out of the way exactly like she has control the element she spun teeny around one final time by spinning the breeze. It was just so funny to me

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I think you're going to win this one, but I felt pretty darn good going into this. Cause I had teeny also making the finale. I did have teeny making the final three. Uh, I had said as soon as teeny hits the beach they spread their wings as the social butterfly they are but their main focus is going to be asia they immediately come clean about their rhap fandom and promise they'll keep

her secret as long as they work together due to teeny's early connections they'll bring together asia rome and saul to form theotories, which serve as the easy majority in the pre-swap. As one of the most terminally online Survivor fans, and I say that with love, we'll get a lot of confessionals from them about how they have a Survivor bucket list, even with mundane activities like

naming the merged tribe and getting sand in unmentionable areas. When the individual game hits, Teenie is able to reset and make quick bonds with former Tukus, but their loyalty lies first and foremost with the Lavotories until they all get taken out. We'll get a scene of Andy and Teenie

talking about their respective sexualities as Teenie gets an emotional confessional about their identity journey. Teenie and Asia go from an alliance of mutually assured destruction to their only salvation in the game. The two move together in lockstep as Teenie is able to use their

stellar social skills and tendency to be underestimated to largely avoid the target. Fortunately, as Chappelle has learned, so will Teenie. You live by the Asia, you die by the Asia. At the final four, Sam wins immunity and sends the tightest pair of the game into fire. Feeling like the

underdog, Teenie stands tall and takes out their closest ally. But, despite being forged by flame, the jury dumps a big ol' bucket of water on Teenie's game the next day. Though they admire their time together, they feel they play less of an independent game than Sam.

And their closest ally was Asia, and their enemy was the jury wow these are impressive i mean leonis was more impressive let's be honest here but i mean no don't think it through i i already know my answer but i will say it was funny like you had the scene to be talking about sexuality It said we got Andy talking to talking to John, be like, I'm bi, like I'm gay. Yeah, well, they're carrying the light. It's just like so good. Like if it's really I mean, that compared to season one of like this whole production.

Oh, my God, which is gay to I'm bi, I'm gay. Cool. I wonder what what number word in Andy's total dialogue with John did that come up? Like, is it a number 10? Like he says, hi, I'm Andy, blah, blah, blah. And then the next thing you want to have a conversation is I'm bi, I'm gay. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just I love that. Obviously, Liana wins this one, but still interesting insights all around. Yeah. No, it was very good. All right. Well, let's move into our requisite zero vote finalist. Let's talk about Sue. I had Sue making the final three.

My God, Mike. Yeah. So it was a bit of a spoiler alert. I did have all of the real final four making the finale in my preseason predictions. All right. I'll see you guys when Mike's done winning. No, you just won!

Don't tell yourself that, Leo. I know, that's my one point. The wind can blow my predictions away at any point in time. I'm the wind, and I can win. The flame is licking the string. So what to do about Sue? Here's what I have to say.

True to her perception preseason, Sue will be seen as a chill, hardworking presence around camp. It's the perfect mask for when she takes flight behind the scenes, furiously searching for idols. While her search comes up frustratingly short, she does get brought in with Gabe and Caroline.

And while Sue isn't able to find the idol herself, she does get one played on her in the pre-merge right before Gabe is sent out. Gabe's blindside fosters Sue's resentment towards the other two goos. While Caroline, her now closest ally, is able to mask those feelings, that's not how Sue sees it. In the split tribal council, she makes her move against TK, kicking off a streak of two goo votes and leaving her former tri-mates in the dust. After making Sue's big move, she once again hits the jungle and actually hits Pager at this time when she finds an idol.

She ends up playing it, but unfortunately does not make the impression she wants, nullifying one or even zero votes. As the game goes along, Sue begins to also grow more resentful of the young kids that she's playing with. She has very pointed comments about some of their bad attitudes about losing challenges. In the final Tribal Council, Sue reveals her family's story, how the show served as a buoy in a turbulent sea around her daughter's condition. She'll also point out, perhaps despite her demographic,

how much she took the game by full force, finding idols and making moves. But despite her claims of being a female tony sue will receive much fewer jury votes than any of his winning games getting a singular ballot from caroline her closest ally was caroline and her enemy was sam then the jury pretty pretty impressive yeah let's see but yes Dave but but what I mean yes and let's see all right uh let's see how this goes so I had Sue making the jury okay uh here's what I wrote about Sue mother in all caps Sue's's pregame relationships and Sue's pregame reputation

carries into her game relationships where the majority of her Tuku tribe wants to be our closest ally. Sue bestows that honor to Caroline, working closely as a duo in the pre-merge. When Caroline leaves mid-jury, Sue pivots to creating new alliances with Sam

and Annika. With a solid social game, Sue becomes the mother that everyone loves, aka a threat to win the game. So Sue is voted out unanimously to a round of tears from her fellow tribe mates and given a hero's send-off. Her ally was Caroline and her enemy was

Gabe. Oh! So, yeah. Some moments of accurateness and some not so i'll say this i think for sue that might have been like a i mean she might be more memorable in leona's version like if that yeah she gets an ovation on the way out yeah yeah that's like kind of the kyle send off right that's like what i was oh everybody is hugging and we all love sue and whatever but yeah okay okay well mike won but uh really great effort on that thanks for the participation trophy i i again i think uh sue

i like that yours gives her credit because i do think that it was easy to kind of bag on sue throughout the season a little bit i was one of the people like okay so we get it uh but by the finale i was like you know like you know i think i i like her more than i realized so yeah i'm glad that you give her that with your prediction yeah and it's always interesting to sort of come in from the perspective of the zero vote finalist and i think this was kind of a scenario where she didn't know that you know i see rachel and sam talking each other up gassing each other up did another take on the the rachel and genevieve conversation last time and i do feel for her that it became clear very quickly that she was kind of out of it and now

she just has to pretty much just sit there and be a ghost while all these other people actually fight it out for a million dollars but again she makes survivor history she is the oldest person to ever sit at a final tribal council which is like incredibly notable and who knows i mean we talk about how the new era casting especially loves to just throw like one or two 40 people in their 40s people in their 50s people in their 50s who are lying that they're in their 40s maybe sue is able to inspire some people there to uh get off the couch and get on the plane to go to la in a manner of speaking and apply to be on survivor and we'll see more older contestants in the future i do think yeah it's a really fun archetype to have on the show yeah i would hope so my mom we i visited her for

thanksgiving and we turned on survivor and goes, why are they all children? So, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's legitimately, I think that's probably like, I really like casting. I really think they do a great job. But, you know, I do hear what people say about the idea of like, it'd be nice to have more sort of blue collar people, so to speak. But I think another extension of that is just like older people who just like have a different perspective overall than you might have out there and so sue had one but i think if he had like if it looked more like an original like a season one or two or three or one through 15 of

survivor i think that would be kind of cool to see in 2025 all right well leona let's move on and talk about probably one of the kids that your mom highlighted while watching Survivor. Sam, how did you think Sam was going to do? OK, so I had Sam making the jury. I said that Sam was immediately in the minority group on Gata, losing his closest ally, Sierra, right off the bat. This turned our mild mannered sports reporter into a vigilante out for justice but being a savvy player he is sam realized he needed to wait for the perfect moment to strike slowly sam dismantles the gotta try by voting out andy and convincing annika to turn on rachel

unfortunately for sam these moves only raised his threat level and made him a serious contender for soul survivor and then in parentheses, I wrote OMG, like Saul, but like soul, I don't know. I don't, I didn't like finish the joke there. Then right before the finale,

teeny poetically convinces Anika to turn on Sam, just like Sam convinced Anika to turn on Rachel. Sam's allies were Sierra and Anika and enemy was. Hey, well, by the end of that certainly i think the biggest enemy sam had made was probably dd yeah i mean i think if sam had been voted out like everybody was trying to vote him out for that like hot second it would have been

a bit closer but he did manage to survive and make to the final three so yeah mike it's okay your winner pick i assume yes that is correct yeah it would have been two options uh sam phelan was my winner pick i don't know i think it was just the uh i don't know if it was the reporter solidarity but for me what really locked it in was uh or maybe the theater kid bias as i continue to pick those theatrical types i think it was for me when he did bring up about how his interviewing experience is going to help him in the game i truly thought that was and maybe it did and we didn't see it that much but like having the ability to connect with people and ask them questions to get information while not giving away too much i just think it's such an

inherently good skill set to bring over to survivor so i had high hopes for him and almost got there uh maybe it looked for a second from some people's perspectives like i would have so congratulations to Sam. Here is the fictional game I created for him, though that made him a million dollars richer. For Sam, a la Teacher Tommy, we're treated to a montage in the premiere of Sam doing pseudo interviews with each one of the people on his tribe to find out more about them.

Sam quickly notices the Gays and Theys alliance clicking up in gada despite his confidence in being a physical asset for the group he hits the jungle finding his tribe's idol sam sam gets put out of the frying pan and into the fire when he ends up in the minority at the swap he decides to throw a hail mary openly saying he has an idol to try to broker relationships well it works out well for some it doesn't for others, as Sue feels he comes across as a cocky kid. In the post-merge, Sam gloms onto the remnants of Goda in Rachel and Andy.

However, he's also able to ingratiate himself with opposing alliances, getting him in good with the likes of Caroline and Asia. As the game goes along, Sam's competitive drive and mounting exhaustion slash starvation causes him to get quite ornery, causing his up to that point stellar social game to slip. After losing Rachel at the final five, Sam knows he has to put together a two minute drill to make sure he doesn't go out in fire.

And he comes through when he needs it most, winning the final immunity challenge and setting in Asia against Teenie, effectively taking down one of the biggest endgame threats. against teeny effectively taking down one of the biggest end game threats despite not being in power for most of the post merge sam is commended by the jury for navigating the tumultuousness of the post merge without much safety winning when he needed it most and not burning as many people as sue and teeny did as a result he wins six to one to one after the season sam makes boffo bucks on cameo especially next fall as he offers fantasy football advice in addition to the usual birthday greetings his closest ally was sierra then rachel and his enemy was pretty much everyone at one point or another this is closer than i thought it would be uh sam i was about to give leona the point but because she got the sierra part right but then you

said it so i'm leaning towards mike just added that he's cheating oh okay if that's true i've got receipts no no i believe you uh okay you're getting spun by leona exactly no i'll get it but that was still a good spin uh yes sorry i don't know why we clock same in sierra so early are we just the problem along with everyone else in survivor 47 i think so i think we're part of the problem mike that is interesting that that well you know i heard on um i think adam klein's podcast with Rob that, I mean, Rob's with Adam, that he said something like, I wonder if there's something to the idea that Sierra didn't vote for Sam because she didn't want to continue that perception of. I mean, it's interesting. I mean, that's what Drew Basile kind of talked about when he was speaking with Rob about how, like, he obviously voted for Austin because of his loyalty. But he did think at one point, if Austin wins, then how am i going to be portrayed as just kind of like the bumbling sidekick maybe sierra had the wherewithal to be like if sam wins am i going to be presented as sort of like the uh the gwen stacy to his spider

man right like the necessary person that had to die for him to become the hero that he ended up being yeah i like that version of the survivor verse the spider verse yeah uh well anyway mike you get that point but i i thought you guys are i mean i'm very impressed i had sam as my winner pick i'll say that there we go oh there you go i did a pre-game draft so i had six players with two other fellas and uh i had sorry i had sam r Tini. So going into the final four, I was like, well, okay. I think I got it. But Sam, yeah. Sam on paper does he just kind of, I think he kind of had that

especially old school Survivor, there was always like five people that went into the season. These are probably one of the five winners. Sam kind of had the energy of like, this guy's going to do pretty well. And that's the thing as well. Again, I think that the way we got to the final six that we did going into this finale was pretty tumultuous. But when Jeff was like,

oh, nobody would have predicted this group. Like I kind of looked at my predictions and I was like, I mean, if you look at like popular winner picks, I think Asia was maybe one of the only ones who like, and you know, I think TK as well got some stuff in the preseason. But I think a lot of the other people that were getting a lot of those winner picks from those first interviews the videos dropped etc did end up making it to the end game i just don't think in the fashion that we necessarily expected maybe maybe survivor is scripted and

mike's one of the writers he's writing that he's writing the nfl storylines he's right yeah he's giving himself busy yeah yeah well let's talk about the the person who ends up winning this season thanks to mike white it is rachel lamont uh so i will finish off with rachel here i did have rachel making the finale but i had her going out in fifth place uh because i again i not thought that we would have a six person finale otherwise andy would be there as well due to rachel's down-to-earth personality out of all her cast her confessionals will be much less focused on personal content and more on gameplay and narrative as to what's happening strategy wise a war brews online between the stand-up and the game bot accusers i guess i'm expecting some sort of, like, big social media

civil war by people being like, Rachel's boring, she only talks about strategy, and then the stand-ems being like, no, she's mother, she's queen. Rachel gets her first dose of reality when she's left out of the Annika booth. With her and Sam both desperately striving for allies in the post-merge, they turn

to each other as a floating block. They occasionally rely on Andy, though he makes them pull their hair out with how many times he flips on them. Come on. mere extra vote everyone believes she has something greater and her threat level skyrockets rachel's end game is dictated by her complicated rivalry with asia she's acutely aware of the danger asia presents through her rhap fandom and is frustrated at her protection due to idols and a teeny shield asia in turn constantly keeps rachel on her radar talking her up as the exact person they can't let slip through into the end game this cold war turns hot at the final five sue is caught between two pairs in rachel sam and asia teeny unfortunately sue shows a lack of desire to work with sam's attitude and has been drinking down asia's anti-rachel narrative for the past two weeks and so rachel gets taken out in the requisite biggest threat goes out in the beginning of the finale slot her closest ally was annika then sam and her enemy was asia and occasionally andy oh

from time to time okay i mean swap asia for genevieve that's like honestly what it was yeah yeah there's a lot of similarities well i have rachel making the jury uh i said that rachel quickly formed a tight alliance with annika later bringing in andy to form the pirate alliance because there are oh i remember that a a A-A-R. R. Oh. Andy, Annika, Rachel. R. I love it. This is like a big deal. Okay. This group runs God on the pre-merge, eliminating Sierra and John, which motivates Sam for revenge.

After losing Andy in Mergatory, Rachel scrambles to regain power in the newly merged tribe. Rachel leads the first vote against the Tukus, but the tides turn on her when Sam convinces Annika to flip on her fellow buccaneer due to her feeling that idols and advantages set you up to fail. Rachel never went on any jury and didn't look for any idols, which could have come in handy during her boot episode boot like pirate. Ha ha. Which again, I didn't even,

I guess pirates do wear boots, but they're more so known for wearing one boot and one particular other thing on their leg or finding booty uh and then her yeah so her ally was obviously the pirate alliance are um her enemies were sam and annika well here okay let me say this uh in the same way that I would play like Sam. I would play this game like Liana. Like I get really attached to something like the R Alliance and really take it from there. So I appreciated every step that took to let's include the word buccaneer, too. And let's but yeah, no, I mean, Mike gets that one. But Liana gets my admiration for the story.

All right. Well, that that's better I'll sail the seven seas with your praise exactly you have that spiritual beauty that you can bring with you yeah and look let me also just say for all the for all the people out there and I'm telling this to myself as well I'm looking at myself in the mirror right now like relish this like take this moment because this is not going to happen again i have been so factually incorrect about so many things in the 10 plus seasons that liana and i have done this you know i've had i've been able to like pick the winners the runner up a couple times i've had a couple of correct winner picks but by and large i am much more off the mark there was a one point when we called this the liana wins game because we came in every week and liana would be more correct so this is very much an aberration this is the exception not the

rule i guarantee you moving forward 48 my time as mike stradamus will be over the crystal ball will shatter so i'm just here to like relish the time that i somehow ended up being this broken clock that was right for the two times a day and my i think my second time has been extinguished at this point so i'm very happy to be incredibly incorrect moving forward and uh take this very much as the the one hail mary that i threw that actually ended up working this time this this is leona's game changers tony needed to to lose badly exactly yeah yes yeah although all i'm hearing is that Mike got dropped from the writer's room

for 48. That's all I'm hearing. But yeah, they didn't like my big brave ideas about how bringing in pirates to play was the next new thing

that Survivor needed. No. Well, because they didn't realize sort of like Jeff with Orthagonal. They forgot there was an entire pirate themed season of Survivor

and just thought I was off my rocker. Did anyone call it Survivor 40 Orthagonal after like we're doing like what we're doing last year with the like like maybe well we have survivor 40 40 octagonal coming up with 48 oh that's what okay but i still this what i'm telling you is i still don't know what orthogonal means i just know it sounds like eight it's just a right angle okay yeah it's just the right angle which i'm also doing tilly otta for pre-season predictions oh laser that's what jeff should have done if you really wanted to leave yeah oh like this andy oh that was you you couldn't open a coconut i i i have a theory that when jeff brought the popcorn out he was like i'm gonna be the new michael jackson

popcorn gif and i think that he needs to create more things like that, like this with the bell. That'd be great. So, yeah, I mean, you definitely just need to do more things for the gif. Yeah, I'm sure that's the thing that we leave season 47 with. Yes. Yes. Well, we're not we're not just done yet with preseason predictions, because even in the podcast that we did before the season, Liana, you and I came up with contestants for these Survivor Superlatives.

I'll just read through them because there are some fun ones especially in retrospect here most likely wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay can you read it and i want to hear dave's answer to it first before you get ours all right so i know is dave talking about it from his pre-season perspective or now i think now yeah now after the fact dave who would you give this superlative to and then we'll see what mike and i said at the beginning of the season well I mean that effect this one is very interesting

most likely to get a personal segment I guess from Dave's perspective who who was the who had the most personal stuff dedicate to them in this season like from their front like personal segment I mean like stuff before the island stuff they brought into the island yeah well it's got to be it's gonna be teeny right with just right now that was my gut too

as soon as yeah yeah yeah so then uh liana used kyle which i think also got a like a little bit of oh yeah to sue chagrin of course that one time in the montage where she could play why do we all have to always hear he's poor uh that was such a good moment and it goes by so fast like you really need to be paying attention to it it's so good uh i and i had john love it which like to be fair we did to dave's point maybe not in the grand scheme of things do we remember the personal story of john love it right for one week man he was such a good storyteller for that one episode, obviously. I know. Bring him back. Yeah.

Why not? All right. Well, on the other side of things, Dave, we are most likely to get purpled. Who do you think? Now, to Leona's point, again, with the 90-minute episodes especially, I think this is a very good cast that got fleshed out. But do you think when people are listing off the 18 cast members of survivor 47 who is the bottom of that list i think that they just have a hard time remembering right yeah um this is so bad because it's i i had to look it up the other day and i've already

forgotten his name again i didn't have a problem with him either it's the second vote off tk tk yeah i just i when we were looking back or when they did the intro the finale episode i was like oh tk right uh i think i think so no i mean you're just proving an argument that roth has made for a long time right that like it's actually worse to be voted off second than first because first you have the big premiere dedicated to you sometimes it can be a little bit of an extended episode you join the ranks of like who's the most memorable first boot etc if your second boot people are tuning in the next week they may not remember you especially you might go out in rather unceremonious fashion so it's a tough position to be in well and interestingly like excuse me because sean came up a lot because of genevieve

like he just kept his vote off moment looking at her was and he was third right third or fourth fourth yeah but yeah yeah TK sorry to him sorry sorry for him and also with you well Liana you and I interestingly enough both said Rachel

oh no that's fair appreciation now yes but I do believe and this might be due to the uh balloon to airtime of 47 i do believe amongst the many records she tied that set a record for most confessionals a female contestant has ever given on the show yeah so we mailed it uh and then we also gave some secondary answers though i said kyle and you said saul oh okay those were those were good because based on their pregame interviews uh with people like mike bloom i did feel like they're not giving me as much as they as i like i remember rachel specifically said i think in the official cbs one like

there was a line where she said normally my husband is the person that kind of like keep me on track or whatever without him here i don't know how it's gonna go i was like oh that's not good but i think that was more like kind of a throw i don't think i mean again it's it's talking about adapting to the circumstances basically the the game told her like nope you're a main character now she's like right all right i guess i am now yeah yeah all right uh next up dave most likely to flip on their number one ally well okay, okay, after the game, Andy, but ahead of time, I think I would have said Genevieve.

I really did like Genevieve in the pregame, and I did feel there was, like, already a little bit of that Parvati vibe happening, but I'm very curious what you all thought. We both went with some of the big boys here. I went with Gabe, who, to be fair, did talk up this big game, right, in the preseason.

Oh, that's a good answer. And also brought it into his jury questioning as well which was not only wild but like also pretty wild for rachel to have the response that she did though i respected it so much of her being like i don't care about her wikipedia page i care about winning a million dollars right here right now uh but i said gabe leona you said sam specifically because he said his loved one would be harvey specter he's his loved one would be Harvey Specter. You know, you got to be ruthless, right? If you're going to be Harvey Specter. All right. Next up, Dave, talking about not being influenced by social media.

Let's talk about who becomes an influencer. Most likely to pimp out their brand. So even like beyond because this used to be like who's most likely to make a podcast this was like who's most likely to you know go wild on cameo make their own merch etc now maybe this is a little cheating because some players have now officially started coming out with merch but like when we look at this six months from now who do you think is the survivor 47 contestant that has most tried to turn this opportunity into a big brand i think and i think they're doing it as a, as the Washington Post TikTok guy, quote unquote, quite well, Anika. I think Anika's TikToks that she put out there were real good.

And I don't know if I would have said that pregame, but like, I can see her as the sort of like person that just kind of grows in the community time after time. And she sticks around because she's just so good at like, she's very online, I guess. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I'm not a big TikTok personok person so i'm gonna have to uh and i know i'm really good i feel like i say that in for like i feel like i have to like apologize when i say that to you considering that like that's your line of work exactly uh so i ended up saying rome which i do

think made a lot of sense i think if r Rome made it further, it would have made even more sense. Liana, you came up with a few. You did try to go for some chalk picks here, trying to take credit for if Asia or John starts another podcast, even if it doesn't have to deal with Survivor, it technically counts. Yeah, loophole, we love it. And you also

said Teenie for her new podcast, Talking Tribal with Teenie, their new podcast. Yeah, okay their new podcast yeah okay perfect fun yeah uh dave most likely to have an advantage screw them over i mean i feel like there is a big person for this category well that's well now i i thought i had a clever answer now i don't uh i mean who got who got idled out of the game? Well, sure. But if I'm not trying to do the pregame thing where I'm trying to put myself ahead, but also after, but also think like this person played again, how would it go? And I I just pregame.

I did think Gabe was just all over the place and wanting to be the villain and thought like that could come back to bite him. But maybe that's a bad answer. Clearly, there's someone obvious. No, I mean, I think it's a fair assumption, though. Like if you hit the jungle enough times, advantages or not, and this was also coming on the heels of 46 where advantages never worked out

for anybody who even looked at them. That would make sense. So Liana, you said Genevieve because remember her big preseason thing was that she was going to sabotage other people's beware advantage tasks. And I said Sierra because of the whole like she was a smart kind of gullible, which like maybe she was with Rachel shot in the dark play. I'm not entirely sure.

Try to fit a square pick into a round hole there. Well, you know, it's funny because obviously Andy is the one who goes out as a consequence of Rachel playing the idol on herself. But at the same time, for some reason, Andy doesn't come across as like screwed by an advantage like I would almost say even more the fake idol and then the vote split with the vote on care like Caroline maybe is my answer even though that wasn't even a real advantage but to me that feels like more got screwed over and maybe that's more of a consequence of the vote split than the actual advantage itself but but yeah I don't know I I don't Andy to me does not immediately pop in my the mind is like oh yeah that's the person who got screwed over yeah i kind of it did feel like a forgot conclusion

when we're not but yeah like as the audience we kind of knew he was going home and he also the way he received it was so like not blindsided exact even though he was like he was so like not blindsided, even though he was. Like he was so happy to have been blindsided. You're like, well, he's not really. Yeah, exactly. All right. Final couple of superlatives here. Most likely to weaponize a game of hide and seek. The Q legacy.

Like QC. Well, I mean, gosh. I just, i think i just like genevieve so much but i think genevieve could be like because she was so interesting in her confessionals talking about how she was like manipulating people so yeah i'll say genevieve i'm just gonna i'm this is a safe space let me speak to my intrusive thoughts here because i said leg qc and that just went to QC for me you know like QS SY like like Boosie uh and then I was just thinking about when Q wore the Q skirt and that image came into my mind so now I want you all to unfortunately it's there demented by that yep yes okay I can't untake that can't unring that bell thanks Mike into the Christmas season it's q skirt well that's how q sees it so yeah exactly

uh and so liana i think i said i said kishan which like i could see because again that guy is so sneaky af uh and you said andy which i think also is very good as well yeah okay he has some i think we talked about from the lens that he would be super analytical of like okay they hid in the tree as opposed to on the ground so what does that mean in terms of how they see themselves in the game and right like i don't know an algorithm and so i think andy would would fit that superlative just maybe not in the way that we expected yeah yeah all right final superlative in honor of the late, great, not late, Lisboa Cox, most likely to have an emotional breakdown after losing reward. Now, again, there's a very clear answer to this one, Dave, in hindsight. Right, right. And actually, I do think this is the one that would I would have met.

I think I think I would have got a pregame, which is teeny. I do. I do feel that the pregame press was like, I don't know who this person is. And I'm not sure they know who they are either. and they also knew that they didn't know who they were so that could lead to an emotional breakdown well you were definitely more on the money than liana and i uh liana you said rome and you did say rachel as well so despite what was a good answer despite rachel being incredibly purple from your perspective, she'll be remembered for this one random outburst she has as a result of being denied a reward.

I said Sue, which maybe if Kyle had won that reward and not taken her. Those are both really good answers. I feel like Rome did have a reaction at one point to something. I forget. Well, he had the whole thing. Remember when Saul didn't want to put him on that final leg of the challenge? Right. I'll raise a big stink if I don't do it. Well, he had the whole thing. Remember when Saul didn't want to put him on that final leg of the challenge?

Right, right. Oh, right. I'll raise a big stink if I don't do it. Just put me on it. Yeah. Yeah, that was a bit of a tantrum. That kind of counts. Yeah.

Okay. So that's our cast. Right. Yeah, I really will continue to say what the two of you have been, which is like, this was a very fun cast, in my opinion. I mean, again, we got so lucky that we got 46 and 47 which are two very different casts i mean i still think there was certainly like maybe the theme of 2024 and survivor was pettiness to a certain extent even having someone like genevieve make her biggest

move in taking out saul because she feels petty but like even the more low-key personalities of 47 in comparison to 46 we're still so fun we're still so unique and i'll be very intrigued to see not only how they make the transition from like being players to now being part of the commentary but to your point liana who we might see again in the near future yeah well i have one last little thing to do that we you know we always like to do a check-in with the casuals. And I think this finale was particularly interesting. So I only have three comments that I've pulled that kind of give an overview of what the casuals seem to take away from the season. So we're going to do a little mini game. And what I'm going to ask for the two of you is to give me how many likes you think this

comment got. So I'm going to, we're going to read all three comments. I'll get all three likes and then I'll do the reveal and we'll essentially see how far away you are from the totality of the casuals feeling is this is this face survivor facebook is a survivor facebook okay yes exactly if you can you give me like an a range of the average likes yes i will tell you okay all right i mean it goes from you know zero to 600 right but these comments all have 100 likes or more. So these are the higher end comments, right? The ones that seem to be a general consensus. And I also read through a bunch of comments to see,

okay, these seem to really encapsulate what I think the majority of the viewers seem to take away in this particular area of the internet. So I'm going to read read so here's your first comment and then both of you will give me how many likes you think this comment got so comment number one sam should have won he pulled the w out of thin air every time because he is a survivor in all caps rachel was good but sam was more scrappy mike how many likes do you think this got all right so let's break down the psychology here

because, Liana, from what we learned last time we visited Casual's Corner, we know that they are massive Saul fans. And so they were huge opposers of anyone who was against Saul. And I would imagine that there was a little bit of, Rachel, where's your gratitude? Saul saved you and you did nothing and now you got rid of him so i do wonder how much that translates you know several weeks down the line now that rachel and sam are sitting in the end but i do think that sam did

earn a lot of kudos both on island and off island for this again very scrappy underdog i mean it's also interesting almost to be honest, looking at the demos of Rachel and Sam, how they almost had like exact opposite games than you would expect, considering that his was not based on it. Advantages, idols, challenge wins,

just purely scraping by every single day. So if it's a range from 100 to 600, I will go with 420. Okay. Dave. Man. 100 to 600 i will go with 420 okay dave man i do think that this is probably the general consensus on survivor facebook when in doubt just go with uh the man over the woman on survivor facebook unfortunately um i'm gonna just go i'm gonna price is right this a little bit and say like 450 okay beautiful so we're gonna immediately go to our next comment oh and explain the whole why they liked saul so much um it's because they hated

rome and saul was responsible for getting rid of rome the enemy of the enemy is my friend the through line yeah maybe i should maybe i should log back into facebook or something no okay all right okay your next comment is best season ever rachel jumps to number one player ever for me she wasn't a snake or mean or obnoxious she was stealthy smart and a great strategist loved this season dave we're gonna start with you on this one. How many likes do you think this comment got? Was the commenter dumb? Yes, exactly. Bomb Babate. Yeah. For the record, I listened to that too, and he made a lot of good points.

And I agree with his comment, at least in terms of really good winner. But I'll say not as many. So I'll say 77. Okay. Mike, what about you? I mean, it's a good point because like again I think a lot of the things that Rachel was able to do would be befitting of maybe some of the more casually adored winners in terms of her back was against the wall and she did all these flashy things to make her way to the end and win handily but again am I going against my own logic in saying that so

many people supported Sam winning that so many people supported sam winning that so many people supported rachel winning you know what maybe it did feel like a very quote unquote worthy final two perhaps in the eyes of the viewers i'm gonna go with 125 okay 125 all right and your final comment that we're gonna talk about is Sue not getting a vote made my night. Oh, this one's high. I think this one because I do because, again, I think from the last check in we did. This is my favorite game, by the way. I can play this one.

People really liked Kyle. And so, again, it's a bit of the in in this case the enemy of my friend is also my enemy i don't know if they necessarily likes to i imagine in the interim since we've adjourned casual corners meetings there's been a lot of comments as to like sue's face is so dirty why doesn't sue ever stick her face in the ocean so i feel unfortunately they have counted out sue in the way that the jury did by the time the tribal council had began so i'm gonna go yeah you know what i'll shoot for the moon here i will say an even five hundo okay an even five hundo and dave what do you think i uh you know i work in social media i know a lot about demographics

facebook is far and above our oldest audience so with that in mind without all due to protect people on facebook i'm gonna say a lot of people agreed but they're like maybe some people relate to see like we talk better we need older people on the season people in their 40s um i'm gonna say 324 okay 324 okay so i will tell you mike was our overall winner okay he was closer overall when you add up all the numbers about how far off he was but he nailed the sue comment it got 489 likes i guess 500 he said 500 so he was only 11 off on that one. Dave, unfortunately, a little bit more for you. But this is what this is why I wanted to talk about this. OK, because the Sam comment, the pro Sam comment got one hundred and ninety four likes,

while the Rachel comment got five hundred and one. I was gagged. I will tell you, Dave, I had the exact same reaction. I immediately assumed they were going to be upset that Sam lost. They love Rachel. They love Rachel as a winner. So do I. I was shocked.

I was actually genuinely shocked. And I don't know if it's because maybe she won so many immunity challenges and that's why they really liked her. I don't know. Because somewhere along the line, as Mike mentioned, they were not pro Rachel. They did not like that Rachel was not appreciative of Saul giving her the get out of jail free card. But somewhere along the line, like we have not talked casuals corner since that moment somewhere it swapped. And really, the editors, I think, did a great job in their ability to convey Rachel as a deserving winner.

in their ability to convey Rachel as a deserving winner. No, I mean, honestly, I love it. No, like in all sincerity, I think this is a great barometer for the editors to your point, because I think that like, listen, I think even the most devoted super fans may not necessarily understand a lot of the understandable nuances that come with a game like Survivor and especially it being expressed through the edit. So like, this is a great litmus test. that come with a game like survivor and especially it being expressed through the edit so like this

is a great litmus test if those that may you know i i do not want to broad brush here because they may be intensely watching but like if there are people that are largely second screening survivor and they understand that like wow rachel was able to put together a pretty dominant game through the ways that she could to win that speaks for rachel's story as well as the way they were able to package it on the show I mean there were definitely some Sam should have won comments for sure that got a decent number of likes so there is the Sam contingency out there but I thought it would be much more biased not I mean this is not the same but I'm curious if you remember how how the survivor casuals reacted to d winning because i mean you know a lot of people would argue that d had a more dominant game overall but d also won a bunch

of immunities so i'm curious like if that is the like winning a bunch of years yeah i i would imagine they were pretty pro d uh i because again i think her edit up to that point really showed her as like she was the big powerhouse player like austin yes does finish in second place but austin had such a quiet edit compared to even a lot of people that was in the finale that i think maybe the people that's supporting him would have been like through demo alone uh and less so about like oh the game he put together alongside d was so spectacular uh and it's also tough because I think unlike Rachel and Sam to what you mentioned at the very beginning of this podcast, Dave, I think that the two of them were pretty much playing in lockstep

as opposed to Rachel and Sam, who were sometimes each other's greatest enemies, sometimes trying to work together and play two incredibly different journeys. Yeah, yeah. So I can actually answer that question. I went back to the Casuals Corner game we did at the finale of 45. They don't

seem to think that austin exists because all the comments are jake should have won jake played a better game always picking himself up and playing hard didn't have alliances to carry him along i wanted him to win that's what i expected from this for that that for that argument to apply to sam somehow yeah that's so interesting i that's that's exactly what I expected. Cause I remember them undervaluing D's game as well. So I just kind of assumed the same thing would happen, but no, Rachel got a lot of love, a lot of love. They also really were intrigued by the chocolate milk guy. So the other comment that got a ton of likes, 169 likes, nice said,

I already want chocolate milk guy to go to go but he provides such like no another comment chocolate milk guy will be the first voted out and the like i went to the comments on the video that's the 48 you know teaser all of them are about 47 except for about chocolate milk guys like he's the only one that stood out about 48 yeah i don't know any any of you have some spare thoughts about the 48 very unique teaser we saw at the end of the 47 after show i i think so often the sort of like crazy one-liner means nothing to the like what ends up happening so i i bold prediction, chocolate milk guy makes us at the jury. How about that? At least. I love it. Yeah. So brave. So brave. Thank you. Yeah. So brave of you.

Yes. I've actually been drinking chocolate milk this whole time. You're prepping. I've seen your muscle mass as well. I just haven't brought it up. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. In real time. Yeah. I mean, listen, I will not solve. I will. You can't spell swell without SOL. How did we not come up with that over the course of the season? I, listen, I will not solve. I will. You can't spell swell without S.O.L. How did we not come up with that over the course of the season? I listen, I will not say too much, but what I will say is I'm very excited for you all to meet the cast of Survivor 48. They are a very fun bunch at a very fun time talking with them, including Chocolate Milk Guy, including many, many different individuals, both, you know, new faces and maybe one that has been talked about in the past.

But we will talk about that all in 2025 here we are to send off 2024 this was such a fun time i mean i really thought that uh yeah bye i think that this was this is a very very solid season of survivor like i think this was i think the word that's been used to describe a lot of it is consistency and i still think it's one of the best pre-merges we've had in the new era. I think we have obviously had a very big winner. I think that there's been some really fun blind slides along the way. It was just very consistent quality throughout that I absolutely adore between all the cast, what they were able to bring in their very unique perspectives.

Some of these wild moves that ended up happening some of these rivalries that developed again 46 was a tough act to follow and in some ways it deviated from just that incredibly unique season but i had such a fun time getting to watch this and leona i had as per usual such a fun time getting to talk about all the nonsense with you every single week here on the bnb thank y'all yeah i mean yeah yay and i helped and i was also there yeah i mean you know longest runtime season but 48 i'm hyped let's see what it's got in store uh well dave thank you for joining us i know it's been a hell of a fall for you especially but hopefully ending it on a bit of a high note for you as we do every week on the b&b we do our guests the honor of having the ability to plug a charity

or a cause that is important to them especially this time of year the holiday season people are in the spirit of giving we're but two days away from chris underwood miss so what charity or cause do you want to highlight to the listeners out there well so uh devoted tiktok fans may know not mike uh that obviously i'll get tiktok in the new year i really it's no you don't have to because we're on youtube shorts and that's oh um so we're doing very well on youtube shorts as washing post universe we just rebranded across so that we so it wasn't called washing post tiktok and youtube anyway about a year ago uh after we had our our our baby daughter my wife and i moved to kansas city where i'm originally from and uh it's been really nice being here and

part of that is getting to like meet people from high school or see people in high school that i whatever and a friend of mine runs this uh organization called lead to lead to read kansas city so it's all about literacy in Kansas City. They raise the money for books for schools that may not be able to afford them, for people that may not be able to afford them. They have deals with authors that come in and read their own books.

It's really awesome. I got to see it firsthand with our daycare where we had like an author of a children's book, read it live to my daughter. It was amazing. So Lead to Read KC, it's really great. And the person who runs it's awesome too so that's that's my my pitch to you and to people who want to come to kansas city come by i'll show

you the best barbecue yes oh no i like this pitch as well i'm like yeah i will be your charity i will show you around this great city of mine yeah i i did i did it for owen knight a couple months ago he loved it um yeah so i i you know I have I have reviews already in five stars for my tour of Kansas City. All right. Well, Dave, I know that your dance car will be very full once people start just flooding into Kansas City in the new year with that offer they provided. But you have a lot of stuff going on, of course, out there on social media, both on TikTok and apparently YouTube. So what would you like to plug out there for the listeners? I remember last time you were like, what do you want to plug?

I was like, I'm still making TikToks. It's great. But this time I really have something. I worked out this deal with The Post where I can start my own YouTube channel in addition to what I'm doing. And it's going to be like my own actual weekly series. Our goal is to one day be something

to the sort of equivalent of what Daily Show was in the early 2000s of like, hey, what's this crazy crazy new show on comedy central now we're trying to do that for youtube so i'm going to have like a weekly show in the new year um i'm really excited i'm scared but in a good scared you know like nervous and i'm actually honestly i don't have to say this but i'm very grateful to the post for letting me do it it's kind of wild it's a it's kind of a first-time deal that they're allowing someone to kind of, it's like how Bob Woodward writes a book every year. It's kind of like that where I just get to like,

go do my own channel on top of this. So I'm really excited about that. And, and, and I've been writing a book that is about kind of this world of media, like people like yourself, Mr. Bloom, where the sort of smaller media voices are becoming the people that are trusted more than places where i work like the washington post that's just a lot of polling i got to interview rob for it he was very gracious to spend some time we're at the book is out the proposal's out so we're hoping to get that you know picked up soon uh but i have a really great agent for

that so i'm excited um all these things happy next year yeah oh my god this is gonna be 2025 is gonna be awesome i i am i am really pumped if i can't get on survivor at least i'll just do everything else possible you build up a resume so you can literally say yeah all right look what i was able to accomplish while waiting for you to say yeah they talk about people talk about their on island resumes i'm just trying to get one to get just to get jeff's attention um but no it's it's uh it's a very exciting new year and so uh i hope that was a good plug i feel like i finally oh my god congratulations that's so many fantastic irons in the fire yes liana it's gonna be a couple months before you and i get back together for survivor 48 and i know that you have some other reality shows that you'll be covering

in the interim what do you want to plug? That's right. It might be a Yottis from Survivor, but Drag Race will be back in full force on January 3rd. So we will be back for the Drag Race feed covering that. Beth Amon and I are getting together to talk about everything from season 17. Oh, my God, 17. I'm also going to be guesting on the 90 Day F podcast to talk about everything going on on before the 90 days. And then I will give a little bit of a, now it's formalized to a certain extent.

We are going to be back in the new year with a new project. We're going to be premiering lookout for all the promo material we're going to be doing in sort of mid January ish is going to be our first release date. So I don't want to give away anything too much, but subscribe to the mass singer feed. We're actually going to be our first release date. So I don't want to give away anything too much, but subscribe to the mass singer feed. We're actually going to be converting it into the new podcast feed. So if you want to follow that, it'll also, we'll release, you know, a couple episodes and the main theater or half ups to sort of bring some traffic in,

but I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised and it will be on YouTube as well. So. Okay. 2025 is just such a fun year. That's so exciting uh so you can check out the interviews i did with the final four of survivor 47 they're just such a great group of people and i thought i had some really great conversations with them especially after the day after their big brouhaha in real life celebration where they got to screen the finale in la which just seemed like

such a fantastic time for the group to come back together i got the chance to talk with them all though obviously breaking down the final results everything that happened leading up to it uh check those out if you haven't already uh from a podcast perspective take a little bit of a break on battlestar galactica but i'm still covering silo and you hear that uh chanting voice in the background we're but a few days away from squid game season two and so i am coming at you daily with squid game season two recaps it'll be myself and chapelle uh coming at you every day for seven days it's a several day uh project a several episode season of Squid Game season two.

You know, if you want to be a part of it, watch an episode, stop down, check out the podcast and then keep going. It's very fun, especially getting to tackle this from the reality TV angle of it all. And also considering that we had a little reality TV about the Squid Game since last time that we watched it. So be sure to check that out. Of course, Rob and I will do our usual year end best of 2024 brand brand steel i did put out a call on social media i'm still accepting submissions for that over the next few days uh so if people want to put out all the various weird shit that happened in 2024 for us to possibly put into a brand steel please let us know and then in the new year there might be another project coming from yours truly as well. In addition to once the cast drops for 48,

I will have my interviews out in the preseason that allows all of us to make such bold claims as we do in the preseason. I had a very fun time out there getting to talk with the cast of 40. I cannot wait for all of you to check it out. And I'm sure plenty of more stuff going on in the interim but just check out everything i'm doing at a my flip type and i really do mean it if you want me to create a laundry list introduction of you and all your accomplishments i am a cheap date i will do anything and everything i'll even wear a silly

costume while i do it along the way. But, for now, I will take off this costume, the B&B costume, as it were, hang it up for a couple months. Thanks to everybody for checking this out. Again, I still cannot believe every time we get to do a live show where I get DMs from people saying that they listen to the B&B. We've been doing this for over

10 seasons at this point. It's ridiculously stupid fun, and I'm always so grateful to those that are able to check it out and stay not only stay tuned for the malarkey but sometimes bathe in it like the mud that births them into this game shout outs to our guests this season we had Gabby

we had Josh Wiggler we had Jenny Autumn we had Beth Dixon we had Brandon and Brando we had Matt Liguori and Scali the free agents we had Frail Mary we had Kevin Jacobs Brando. We had Matt Liguori and Scali, the free agents. We had Frail Mary. We had Kevin Jacobs, Peridium, Shannon Gus.

We had Dwight, Mari, Omer, and Lindsay. And then of course, Dave for coming on and bringing all of your fantastic opinions all season long. Cannot wait to do it again in a couple of months. And of course,

last but not least, special thanks to everyone behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears will from america for his fantastic theme song and to rob for you know building this b&b for us in the first place we've been making it over every single season and this time i think we're going to try to get that chocolate milk sponsorship. Just put it in every guest room so that they go through as buff as possible to take on 2025. Exactly. We all know we're going to need it. So I hope everyone has very happy holidays. We will be back in the new year talking Survivor 48.

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine. And until next time, everybody, we'll check you out at your next day Mike and Leanna gotta play in some games You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name It's the R-H-A-M-B You can stay for free Thank you.