RHAP: We Know Survivor - Exit Interview: First Player Voted Out Survivor 48

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) interviews the latest castaway voted off the Survivor 48 island, followed by This Week In Survivor History with Jordan Kalish (@JordanKalish) where Rob plays against an RHAP patron.

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Rob Cestrinino back for our Survivor exit interview. We kick off the brand new season of exit interviews every Thursday morning. I'll talk with the latest player who got voted out of the game today. We're talking about the first boot of survivor 48 That's gonna be Stephanie burger who was a player who came in a lot of high hopes for Stephanie Ultimately, it didn't work out. We'll hear all about her experience here in just a moment last night I had the return of survivor know-it-alls Wednesday night. And Stephen and I got into everything from the episode. If you want to hear that, you can subscribe to RHAP.

Go to getrhap.com if you're listening to us for the first time to make sure you're subscribed. And everything we're doing is available at weknowsurvivor.com. All right, we've got Jordan Kalish coming up with this week in Survivor History. In this podcast, I'll talk with Zach Wurdenberger on a recap of the episode later on Thursday.

So be on the lookout for that. But first, let me bring in my conversation with Stephanie. Let's patch her in. Hi Stephanie. Hello Robert. How are you? I'm so good, How are you honey? I'm doing well and you know certainly you know all things considered.

Very disappointed. All things considered for me or for you? For you. It's nice to see you. Yes. Okay. Let me turn this on so we can get into this. Alright.

Okay. Rec right. Okay. Recording in progress. Hey Stephanie, what's going on? Rob, Sister Nino, first off, let me say hello to you. I am an air sign, a Libra as well, and I get along great with other Libras. That makes one of us. Yes. Okay. Actually, Mary's a of us. Yes.

Okay. Actually, Mary's a Libra. Okay. We're Libra ladies. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about it. And can you just tell us a little bit about that tribal council and how heated it may

have gotten when you were there? Yeah, I mean, honestly, I was less focused on how heated it was and just more focused on making sure I was making the right call with my shot in the dark. I went in knowing pretty confidently that I was going to play it. And so like heat or no, like those are like kind of not, that's like kind of indiscriminate to me. What I'm paying attention to is like, what is how is what is happening right now in forming my gameplay and how should I take what's happening

and make decisions from there? OK, so what made you play The Shot in the Dark? I mean, I walked in cutting room floor footage is me and producer Britt. And I sit down and literally, she's like, all right, camera goes off and I'm like, so it's obviously me tonight. You know, if no one is, look, it's Survivor.

If no one is scheming with you, then they're scheming against you. That's how it works. That is particularly how it works. That is particularly how it works in a tribe of six. There's not that many people to talk to. So if they're not talking gameplay with you, you can be pretty confident that either they're not playing at all, unlikely, or they're playing with other folks.

I said it at Tribal also, everybody is out here playing with a capital P, right? Like, no one came to Fiji to look at the stars or do anything else. Like, they're coming out here to play, and everyone in Vula is hungry to play the game. And so, like, I was clear pretty early, but I kept collecting information over the course of those three days that made it really apparent to me I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that.

I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I was like, I'm not going to It's only the first day for me in the new season. Okay. I know, I know, I know.

But now we always know how to refer to mother. Yes, okay. Stephanie, so you're saying that it was just so much that it wasn't one particular thing that happened. It was just that people were not really talking to you a lot about strategy. And that's what caused you to feel like it was gonna be you.

And that's what made you play your shot in the dark. Yeah, I mean, over the course of the days that I was there, it was next to impossible for me to get folks to talk strategy with me. At one point, Kevin tells me I'm his number two. That doesn't make air either. Kevin's like, Mary's my number one, but you're my number two.

Maybe like in the emoji sense. Like a poop emoji? Yeah. Poop emoji joke? Yeah. It's a tough day, and you're. Like a poop emoji? Yeah. Poop emoji joke? Yeah. It's a tough day and you're calling me a poop emoji? I'm sorry, you're right. That was, I was wrong for that.

I was wrong for that Stephanie. You know, in the episode, a big part of the narrative was, you know, you talked about how in your professional life, you're somebody who's very assertive, you're a business person, you run a company, and you've had a lot of experience. Just go with me here, okay?

But in Survivor, you're gonna take a little bit more of a backseat, you're gonna sit on your hands. What made you decide to play your Survivor game that way? What made you decide to play your survivor game that way? Yeah, I mean, look, I like, I think it is really challenging for a woman to get to the end playing a super, super dominant strategy. And when I say dominant, what I mean is like, I didn't want to dictate the first vote, right?

I didn't want to come out there and be like, it needs to be this person because does it need to be that person? Like, I don't know. I've only been there for like 24 hours. I'm very hungry. Like, I don't know what it needs to be, but I want to listen to other people.

I'm open to what other people are suggesting. I genuinely, like, don't... I think you come out and you say, I know what my strengths are out there. I also know where my opportunities lie. And I can lead from the side, I can lead from the back, I can lead from the back, I can lead from the front, but I didn't want to immediately be somebody who's leading from the front.

Also, like, you see me on screen. I'm like six feet tall. I have this, like, giant mane of blonde hair. Like, I stand out. I have never not stood out in my life. And so, like, you know, maybe for better or for worse, I'm not trying to stand out in that dynamic as well. I'm trying to at least go along with the flow kind of,

I don't think I pull it off by the way. I think the moments where I'm like, we can build the shelter however we want. I'm pretty funny. Yeah, well, you certainly did stand out at Ponderosa because when we listened to all the preseason interviews, you were living, you know, rent-free in the minds of so many of the players in some good ways

and some bad ways. Did anything surprise you when you heard about how people perceived you in the days leading up to the game? Rob, I am cast on a reality television show. Like, you have to be polarizing almost. You like have to be a person people are going to have opinions about.

Like, no, it doesn't surprise me that people might not have liked me. Like that is, like that's how I had a really easy casting experience. Yeah, you're a no brainer. No, yeah, like of course are going to have opinions about me. I I will say, like. I was doing my damnedest not to stand out like I was really trying.

And so the fact that I was trying so hard not to stand out and still couldn't accomplish that basic task is pretty funny. Yeah. Like I was like, let me not write in my notebook as soon as we sit down in the airport, because I don't want people to think I'm strategic. And I was like, let me not do crosswords. Let me, like, watercolor instead, because, like, who hates the watercolor girl?

Like, you know, I was really trying to sort of soften some of my more corporate edges. But like, I exist in the world, I exist in this body, I am who I am, my nails are always painted, like I kind of can't help it. And that's a learning for me. That's like something I've taken away from this is like, wow, I just like, I'm a person who stands out to people. Okay, cool.

Stephanie, can you help us get a sense of what happened on the puzzle? Because it seemed like that you all had a lead and then it got down to just a couple of pieces. So what was the issue on the puzzle? I mean, I didn't practice puzzles enough. I didn't buy that one off of Etsy.

That's the problem. Mm-hmm. It's a, we were really close. I think it's not clear to the viewer, and now I've seen this twice, it's not clear to the viewer just how far behind we were on the crate. Like, getting that crate up the ramp was really challenging for Vula, and we were strategically, like, not running it the right way.

We should have had more people down at the bottom. That's my bad. Like, fully own that one. Um, but we also, I don't think that the bottom. That's my bad, like fully own that one. But we also, I don't think that the audience is fully aware of how injured Kevin was. Like Kevin has a dislocated shoulder after the first marooning challenge. And so we're doing that puzzle with three arms. Like, and those pieces are heavy

and they require multiple hands to get them into a spot. And they, and you know and it's a survival puzzle. So like they always like just don't fit, right? Like you're so close and it's a reverse puzzle. So it's the same on the back and the front, but you guys don't see also, we like go to one the other side of the puzzle and like Sassy Jeff comes out and is like, you better get the fuck on the other side of that puzzle.

Like we're not allowed to stand over there. Okay. Uh, so like you're only allowed to see the front of it as you're doing it. So it was just really, it was, it was a hard puzzle. We started from behind and I think we were a little bit like literally, we had like literally were doing it with a hand tied behind our back because between Kevin, we only had three arms. Okay. But Stephanie, here's what I want to know. Kevin seems like a lovely guy. How come nobody gets mad at him that the puzzle didn't get completed? Why do they blame it all on you? So charming. Come on, it's Kevin.

Look, Kevin is playing a really good strategic game out there. He's really sort of deep in it with everybody. I am sad that the Stephanie-Kevin alliance doesn't make air. He and I were also close and I felt like he was somebody, I was one of the people I was closest to on the tribe. But it's called scapegoating. It's called like throw,

you're gonna come up with any reason you can to make somebody else be the first boot and have it not be you. Like, that's it. And of course, Kevin is like, yeah, it was her on the puzzle. Like, that's how it works. That's the game.

Like, good for them. All right, you talk about your relationship with Kevin. What was your relationship like with Cedric and Justin? Oh my God, those guys are so, they're both so lovely. Like they're genuinely such lovely dudes. I spent a lot of time, I think this is something that just doesn't make air and it's two hours and yet you still can't get enough, right? I spent a lot of time with people one-on-one

trying to get to know them, like trying to understand them. You know, like I know how many seats there are at Luigi's in Revere, Massachusetts, right? Like I know how big the restaurant is that Justin's family runs and has run for decades. Like I know the names of Cedric's kids. Like, and you know, I know that Caleb's at school in New Orleans Which is a city that I have really strong ties to like I had

Like good chit chat relationships with them, but where I always fell short was trying to get them to talk game with me Okay, they had no interest in it Well, we saw the conversation where say early on ends up talking to you and you're talking What should we talk about if somebody else is coming? Like, oh, we'll just talk about my mom. You said, I really do want to know about your mom. It seems like to us, Say is like, listen, I'm not here to play the get to know you game.

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go make an alliance. Do you feel like that that could have been an alliance with Say had that gone differently? I don't know. I honestly don't know. Like, maybe. Mm-hmm. I think it's like, I think it's hard, I think it's really hard to tell. Like, I think it's a, it's hard to tell. And it's, it's one of the great mysteries I have post-game is like what those kind of like, coulda, woulda,

shoulda's are things that could have been that. But you know, the, the Sareefield's tenets of survivors say that like you shouldn't, you should never take anybody out of the running to work with them, right? Everybody should be someone you're willing to work with and you should really be weighing and evaluating all of your options. So like, I would have worked with, say, I would have worked with anybody out there.

Like that's, you sort of look at the landscape and you say who is somebody who I can at least start the game with and start working with. Okay. Stephanie, what was it about say that was such a clash of personalities in terms of you two getting on the same page? I don't... I don't know. I don't know. I feel like, uh... Like, that was never... I think it's, again, I think it's kind of a mystery to me.

I don't know. Okay. Well, is there anything that you feel like we didn't get to find out about your story from your time on Survivor? Hmm... Um? I mean, I was there three days. There's like a million things about my story we don't get to find out. You know, I went out there and it was kind of up in the air

as to whether I was gonna maybe, like, went out there and it was kind of up in the air as to whether I was gonna maybe, like maybe for production was a little bit more up in the air, but like my mom was really sick during casting. My mom passed away seven weeks before we went out and played. Sorry, Stephanie. Thank you. And she was so proud of me. She thought this was the coolest thing

and was so proud of me. She thought this was the coolest thing. And was so excited for me. And, you know, as far as she knows, I won the million. And that was something that was really special. And I will never not be grateful for all of the hope and excitement that Survivor gave me in the period of time leading up to all of that. It happened almost in lockstep. And I'll also just go ahead and say like,

Survivor production could not have been more caring or understanding or kind to me in all of it. And I am like remarkably grateful to them for the ways that they took care of me too. Okay, well Stephanie, I know you need to run, but I told you this on Saturday when I saw you that I know you did a lot of research leading up to the show. And I know it didn't work out, but I would be dying to hear all of your findings, all of your research.

I know the listeners would, too. So I hope that one of these days, if you're up for it, we can get into a full on presentation. We do it. I have, so think why going to first tribal is not good. Like, like we've got some math on that. Yes, I hear. Like who to put on the jury versus not put on the jury.

We've got math on when to play your shot in the dark. I would love. I would love it too. Love the park. Stephanie, thank you for taking the time to talk about all this. Hope you're doing great and hope we can talk again soon Awesome. Good to see you. All right. Good to see you too. Bye. All right, everybody. There you have it Stephanie burger And I really do mean I would love to get the chance to talk with Stephanie more in the future that we were Robbed of a big personality that would have given us a lot to talk about on

Survivor over the course of the season and that's the problem they find these great people and then we lose some of them early But Stephanie I think is just a character and I do hope that we get to see more of her in the Survivor universe In the coming months and years. And hopefully we can get to hear all about what she did. Listen to what she told Mike Bloom. She did a whole thing working on all these different scenarios. And so I would love to hear more about that stuff. All right.

We're going to take a break. When we come back, Jordan Kalish is going to be here for this week in Survivor history. We're taking a quiz about what I and a guest know about the old days of Survivor. We'll do that right after this. All right, everybody, we're back for another season of this week in Survivor history, the quiz. And we have got so much fun in store for you We're back, but Jordan's mic isn't. He left it at work. I think it's at work. I hope it's at work because it's not in my apartment.

So if it's not at work, I don't know what happened. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I think it's at work. I hope it's at work because it's not in my apartment. So if it's not at work, I don't know what happened. I feel like someone maybe maybe broke into the apartment if it's not at work. Okay. All right. All right. Well, we're off to a flying start here for twish season 48. But in all seriousness, we have a great guest here with us because that this is a first I believe because we have a Loved one of one of the survivors, please welcome the husband of Genevieve from survivor 47. It's Mark Tallin mark. How are you? I'm well, I'm thrilled to be here. Thanks for having me on your show. The first ever Nepo husband here on This Week in Survivor History.

I would like to make clear that I've been a Twitch stan long before Genevieve even applied for Survivor. Okay. Alright. Alright, so that's a big claim. So Mark, we're thrilled to have you here. Mark, what's the update on you? How are you doing? I'm doing well. Settling back in after sort of a wild fall, you know,

and traveling around all over the place in the fall. So I've never been happier to be in Winnipeg in February. Yes. Why is that, Mark? It's warm? It's warm? No, it's not warm. It's just nice to be home.

It's nice to be in an airport every week going to watch Survivor in some different cities. Okay. Yeah, I get that. The travel schedule is intense for these Survivor players in the new era Okay, yeah, I get that. The travel schedule is intense for these Survivor players in the new era. And so, Mark, are you the person that introduced Genevieve to Survivor? No, the opposite.

She introduced you to Survivor. She introduced me. Well, not introduced me. I watched the first three seasons live like the whole world did, fell off for a while, and then when we started dating, she she told me we have to watch Survivor starts tonight. We have to watch it. And it was the premiere of Second Chances.

And yeah, haven't haven't missed one since. OK, well, we'll put your knowledge to the test here, Mark. But now Jordan and I got the chance to see this premiere earlier this week. We were both in attendance for the Survivor Beach Drop event and you and Genevieve were sorely missed, Mark. And we got to get the chance to watch the episode and participate in the whole experience. And Jordan, how was it for you? It was unbelievable. I got to meet a couple of people in the survivor world that were sort of on my, on my survivor bucket list. I'll, I'll start with John Kerhoffer,

who I had a long conversation with earlier in the day. He is a, of course, the in charge of all the survivor challenges and he creates all the games. We talked a little bit, a bit about how I've taken some of his ideas and use them in my PE classes. So that was fun. Oh wow. Did you tell him that he should bring back survivor trivia? Uh, I, I didn't, but maybe I should have. It wouldn't, it wouldn't have been the most insane thing I did, uh, at this event, which we'll get to in a minute. Okay. Um, the second thing, uh,

the second person I got to meet, uh, who I had never met before was Jonathan Penner. Uh, and you, you were, uh, nice enough, Rob, to take a picture of the two of us. And I got to speak to him for a while with some of my friends who were at the event as well. And he was as entertaining as you could imagine. At the end, he was like, I'm sorry if I was holding court a little bit. And we were like, no, Penner,

you could keep holding court in these conversations. We won't stop you. He was as entertaining in person as he is on Survivor. He was in good spirits, yeah. And then we got to meet the grand puma of them all, Rob. Jeff Probst. Jeff Probst is happy. Okay, so let me just give you my perspective on all of this.

So after the episode, Mark, they ended up going in. Jeff did a panel with Jay from the On Fire podcast, John Kierhofer and Elan Lee, who did the new Survivor card game. And they then Jeff, like, had like a photo, like a receiving line and was like meeting the fans and taking pictures. First person, I believe, on the line to go talk to Jeff Probst, I see Jordan Kalish. And I said, if I could only be a fly on the wall, what is Jordan Kalish having such an animated conversation

with Jeff Probst about? Yes, I got to meet Jeff. I started off by telling him how I'm such a big fan of the show, I've been watching since I was 10. And, you know, Jeff had just finished talking about the big news for Survivor 50, that he's putting it in the hands of the fans, which as a fan, I like, I'm a big fan of this. And I think, Rob, if you're listening to this week in Survivor history, you are a big one percenter Survivor fan. And I think that anything that any Survivor

trivia or any Survivor fan purity test that they were to throw at you And I think that anything that any survivor trivia or any survivor fan purity test that they were to throw at you, I think anyone listening to this specific podcast would ace that test. So I said to Jeff Probst, Jeff, I love the idea, but I'm a little bit concerned about one thing. When we did the second chances voting, the cast was great, but we did miss out on some fan favorites like T-Bird, like Shane, you know, we don't have to go over that whole thing again. We know that it would have been great to have those two. I'm a little concerned that these casuals are going to, you know, run to the ballot box and stuff the votes. I've seen popular votes and other types of votes not work out so well recently. So I said, Jeff, what if

there was some sort of survivor fan purity test on this website? And you have to at least prove, you know, a little bit about the show in order to vote. I don't, I think that Jeff was amused. He clearly was not going to do it. Yes. Was he amused? I think he seemed amused. Yeah. Mark, what do you think about Jordan's idea? Should only the survivor elites make the decisions for the entire survivor audience? Well, I think for the subset of us that listen to Twitch, I think Jordan's, you know,

if we're pandering to the Twitch fans, I think Jordan's idea is great. That's not, I don't think that's Jeff's. This is how you get into trouble, Jordan. When you don't trust the people to make decisions. Yeah, I trust the people to make certain decisions. And I think for Jeff, I mean, look, I wanted to be one of those things where he gets one of these earworms that Jeff likes to get in.

And then he's lying in bed at night, like after Tyler Perry talked to him about the idol, he's like, you know what, that Jordan Kalish guy, he doesn't know my name, but that guy, I think I like the purity test. So I wanted to give him a little earworm, a little K-Lush seed. And it's not going to happen. And I think that I knew it wasn't going to happen as I was talking to Jeff. Jeff clearly knows that who's this crazy guy giving me these crazy ideas. But I had to get it in there. It was the first thing that came to my mind to ask Jeff when I went up there. But I got a great picture of him. By the time this podcast airs, it'll probably be my profile picture on all of the platforms. Okay. Last question before we get to Twitch. How did you get into the screening?

So there's a survivor Hall of Famer named Sareef Fields. Yes. Who was giving away tickets and she gave two to my friend, George, who took me. So by my friend, George, who you got to meet finally for the first time. Yes, finally got to meet freaking George. Yeah. Host of Survivor Brooklyn South and create well, I'm the host of Survivor Brooklyn South,

but he's the creator and former host of Survivor Brooklyn South. Yeah. George was nice enough to give me his plus one to this event. And I was in Philly. I came home early. I changed my whole plans and got to go to this crazy screening. Okay. All right. All right. So we're ready for Twitch. Okay.

Are there any rule changes this season, Jordan? No, unless I don't think so. I think I went with the same rules as last season. I'm known for sometimes forgetting some of my own rules. But I have, I have said, well, the microphone, yeah, that's, that's one of the rules. So we're, it's only year 13 of doing this, right? It's nearly 13 years. It feels like it. I think it is. When was, when was blood versus water? I think that was the first one. It wasn't every week then, but it was, I think, I think it was every week during like Kageyama.

That's a lot of years. So we used to not even use microphones. Remember those days? I'm pretty sure I used a microphone every podcast of mine. I didn't use it. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay.

Anyway, I have six survivor seasons that we are going to cover or six questions. There's actually going to be maybe some mystery box questions here, but I have six categories. Most of them are going to cover or six questions. There's actually going to be maybe some mystery box questions here, but I have six categories. Most of them are going to be survivor seasons. I am going to ask you a question based on whatever season or category you pick. If you are able to answer with the multiple choice or without the multiple choice, you get two points.

If you need the multiple choice, you get one point. And if you are wrong, your opponent can steal one point, whether you've got the choice or not. And Mark, as the guest, you get to choose the first one. Got all that Mark? Oh, I know. I didn't. You know. You know. Okay. He's a ringer. Okay. All right. So Jordan, you want to tell us

the seasons? Yes, we have Survivor Vanuatu, Exile Island, Heroes vs. Villains, Island of the Idols, we have the old era Mystery Box, and we have the new era Mystery Box. Okay. I was hoping for 47, kind of in my wheelhouse. But in the absence of that, I will go with one of my favorite seasons, Exile Island. All right, so we're going to go to Exile Island. Who received the first idol clue of Survivor Exile Island, yet did not end up finding the idol?

I don't want to talk it through too much because I do. I'm going to start. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to ask for the multiple choice here. OK, all right. I'm going to give you one point for new viewers for new listeners. Yes, a one point for the straight up answer. Yes. If you're wrong, though, Rob will have the chance to steal and there will only be three options left. So you better get it right.

The first idol clue of Survivor Exile Island yet did not end up finding the idol. Was it a Bruce Kennegy, B Misty Giles, C, Sally Schuman, D, Terry Dietz. So the two people that I was deciding between are both in the multiple choice, which is not ideal. I am going to say. I am going to say, B, Misty Giles. B, Misty Giles. So, famously Misty was the first player

to go to Exile Island, and that is where she received the first Idol clue of the season. Misty Giles is correct. Mark, you start with one point. Very good job. I would not have gotten that without the choices, but then once I heard Misty Giles is correct. Mark, you start with one point. Very good job. I would not have gotten that without the choices, but then once I heard Misty Giles, that I did,

I would have gotten it on the steal. That's sort of the giveaway. I think I've asked the question before, who was the, well, the first player ever to go to Exile Island. That's a trick one because it's new, even though it wasn't called Exile Island yet. But I think I've asked this question,

who was the first player to go to Exile Island on Exile Island? So this is just like a harder version of that harder version. Okay. All right, Jordan I am ready to go to season 20 heroes versus villains Alright heroes versus villains in the first reward challenge of heroes versus villains who out wrestled Colby prompting Tyson to point out the embarrassment of the former challenge beast in a confessional, okay that was famously Coach who frog marched Colby and Tyson asked if Colby might have to not continue on as a man after that point. Challenge Colby's masculinity and that is correct. The answer is coach.

Rob, you get two points. And Tyson kind of taking a shot at his former token cheatin's tribe mate there and current Villains tribe mate. So Rob, you have a two to one lead. Mark, you get to pick the next category. Let's go to the Island of the Idols. Alright, Island of the Idols premiere.

Who was the first player to visit Rob and Sandra on the Island of the Idols? It was a huge mistake for me to choose this season. Many mistakes were made on the Island of the Idols, Mark. This is one of the few questions I can ask about this season. Not yet. You got to stick to the premiere for this season. At the risk of putting myself in a bit of a hole here, I think I will ask for the multiple choice again.

Alright, so you're going to get the multiple choice. Was it A. Elizabeth Bezel, B. Kelly Kim, C. Nora Salmon, D. Vince Mala? I feel like Nora went later. Sorry, who were the first two you said again? It was Elizabeth Kelly Nora Vince. You know what? I don't, this is, I got gotta admit I'm taking a shot in the dark Hey, there's only one in four shot. This is better than a shot. That's right. That's right I need voce to tell me the the odds

percent mark Texted him. I even knew that was with the whole yeah, this is more like a shot in the dusk You know, it's not quite as bleak. That's right. I will say. The Vince Mawa. The Vince Mawa, unfortunately, Mark Robb is going to have the opportunity to steal one point here. Yeah. I was glad to hear the multiple choices because I in my mind, I was

I saw this person and I had them by the wrong name. And so I am very happy to hear that multiple choices came. I think I would have called her Stephanie, but it is Elizabeth Beisel. It is Elizabeth Beisel, the former Olympic swimmer. She does have the blonde hair. Maybe I have Stephanie from Survivor on my mind, in terms of like the blonde curly hair. I can see it. Yeah, I wouldn't say they exactly look alike,

but hair wise, they both have noticeable hair. Yes, and Boston Robb did a bet with her about, could she make the fire? Yes, exactly. And that was the first iteration that we got to see on Island of the Idols. Tough multiple choice because all of those players did visit the Island of the Idols. So not easy there. Mark, do you like when Jordan pats himself on the back about the question choices?

Unironically, yes. I do love it when Jordan pats himself on the back about the question choice. That's the nicest thing anyone in a blue day's had has ever said about me. I'll go with the new era mystery box. All right. New era mystery box. So obviously we are going to be concerned here with seasons 41 through 47. So in 41 through seven, we are including the first seven new era seasons. I got to take the new era mystery box in case the question is like,

what's Genevieve's favorite color? Yeah, Genevieve, luckily this question is not really going to concern Genevieve too much because we're gonna be talking about some of the first boots and thankfully Genevieve got to stay on our screen for a long time. So including all the seasons from 41 through 47, how many players who were the first person

voted out of their season, cast a vote that counted toward the vote total of the tribal council in which they were eliminated. So just a note, Jackson Fox was medevaced. He does not count as the first boot on the season. So these are people who cast a vote that counted towards the vote total. So these are people who cast a vote that counted towards the vote total. So they had to have counted a vote.

And if that vote vote was negated by an idol, they do not count as a correct answer to this question. You're giving me the number of people out of the seven that would fit that description. Not an easy question. Yeah, no, not an easy question at all. How much time do we have? Uh, so yeah. Uh, all right. Uh, can I get the multiple choice? Okay. I'm going to give you the three,

four, five or six. It's two, three, four or five. There's no six. Eight, three, three, C four D five out of the seven seasons. How many people actually cast a vote at that tribal get the one tribal council that they went to that counted towards the photo I'm not even gonna get scientific about I'm gonna say for four is incorrect. So mark you have a chance to steal point Okay I'm gonna try and get a little scientific about it without derailing the whole show here. It's been derailed. Yeah, I believe that.

I think 41, yes. 42, yes. 44, definitely no. I'm gonna say five. It is not five. The answer is actually three. So the only times that this happened were Abraham in 41, Mariah in 43, John Lovett in 47,

Dolinsky lost his vote on the journey, Hannah quit. Technically she did not get to vote. Maggie's vote was created by an idol and then Zach played his vote on the journey. Hannah quit. Technically, she did not get to vote. Maddie's vote was created by an idol and then Zach played the shot in the dark. So in all of those instances, forever Zach played the shot in the dark. Yes. Okay. All right. So neither of you get a point on that question.

That was Rob's question. So Mark, you get to choose the next category. Hard to make your questions harder, so recent. So it's Vanuatu and Mystery Box? Vanuatu and Mystery Box. Old Nara Mystery Box. I would never forgive myself if I came on Twitch and passed up the opportunity to open a Mystery Box.

Okay. All right, we're opening the box. So we'll see what it is. Okay. Of all of the several, so the seven pre All-Star seasons, which two first boots were voted out unanimously at the first Tribal Council of the season? So there's only two times that it happened in the first seven seasons. You can choose to have the multiple choice if you would like, or you can try to get it without the multiple choice. And old error unanimous means that the person who went home did get to vote and they voted for somebody else, but everyone else voted for the booth.

Jordan, I got to tell you this is a great question. I think if I take the multiple choices, I will lose. Is that right? Well, there are there's one more question. So if if you get this right, you'll you would be down three to two. And then if Robert to get the next one wrong, you could tie it up and go to a tiebreaker. You'd be putting yourself in a tough spot. Okay. Okay, so which two people have voted out?

I truly have no idea. So I will take the multiple choice in hopes that Rob, that's his role. All right, was it A, Deb Eaton and Diane Ogden? Was it B, Deb Eaton and Nicole Delma, Rob's wife? Was it C, Peter Harky and Diane Ogden? Or was it D, Peter Harky and Nicole Delma? So I've narrowed it down to four people

that it could possibly be. I do think it was Peter Harky. Nicole Delma. I'm gonna go with Peter Harky and Nicole Delma. That unfortunately is incorrect. What was the first couple of options? It was Deb and Diane, Deb and Nicole, Peter and Diane, Peter and Nicole. I'll say Deb and Nicole. It was Deb and Nicole.

They were going to 7-1 vote. So unfortunately, Mark, the Peter Harky vote was a 5-2-1. Rob, you participated in one of these. You participated in a 4-3-1 against Ryan Akeman. I remember. I knew that one. Rob, you participated in one of these. You participated in a four to three to one against Ryan. I remember. Yes. Same vote total as Sonia Christopher, who was the first person ever voted out of survivors. So Mark, unfortunately you don't get a question there, Rob, a point there. Rob, you do get the point. So you have mathematically won the game. It's four to one. I think we should hear the Vanuatu question. Sure. Let's see. Let's see what happens. I'm curious to

know because I think strategically, even though it didn't work out, Mark, I don't think it was necessarily the bad, a bad move there to, uh, to try to bring it to a tie breaking situation because this Vanuatu question is not easy. Uh, which member of the Lepevi tribe was chosen by the village chief to climb the pole to restreak, to retrieve the spiritual stone during the ceremony, which began survivor Vanuatu. Brady. It was Brady Finta. Never really comes up on Twitch, but you get two points for that and you win the quiz six to one. I think it's closer than six to one. I did not think closer than six to one. It could go either way. The box score doesn't always tell the story.

Yeah, okay. All right. Well, Jordan, we are off to a flying start here for Twitch, but you will be hard pressed to outdo a great guest like Mark at all this season. Agreed. Mark set the bar sky high. Well, not for not for answering questions, but I appreciate that anyway. Yes. OK, Mark, do you have anything that you want to plug?

Are you on Cameo? No. Yes. Anyone who has tried to find Genevieve online can can probably tell we're not big, big pluggers or promoters. If I'm gonna plug anything, I will say, if you are listening to this right now, it means you listen to 25 minutes of Twitch, which means you probably should be a patron

if you're not already. So sign up for that. Yeah, wow. And go to the live shows. The New York live show last year, one of the greatest, truly like truly one of the greatest like times I've had. I got to meet both of you. But I will I will say that you know, you're there, there's all these survivors there.

There's, you know, Kelly's there. There's all these survivors there. There's, you know, Kelly's there and, and teeny's there and Caleb's there. All these people. I walked up to Omar's here. I said, Omar, I'm a huge fan of Jordan Kalish. Will you please introduce me and, and spent the next half hour talking about Twitch with, with Jordan Kalish. That's why we spent talking today. Yeah. I, it's very rare that I talk that I spend more time talking to a survivor's level and under survivor. I met Genevieve briefly, but market Mark and I had a, had a very long talk at the, we had a great time. And yet you become a patron, the link. And also if you're a patron, you get to sign up like Mark to be a contestant on Twitch. The link is on page. That's true. All right. For patrons.

Yeah. If you want to be here on Twitch, the link is on Patreon. And as Mark said that we have such a great time getting to meet everybody at the live show. It's where we go from just knowing each other online to meeting each other in person. And it's always really special. And we'll be doing that later on this spring in Boston. Yes, Jordan, I have a robbery. Are we are we? You know, I feel like Mark would have gotten crazy. I forgot. I was going to ask for Bob.

I watched it. Yeah. We spent a lot of time, Rob, listening to a whole panel about game design in New York. And there is one game that I think- Thank God you didn't tell Jeff Probst about the verbal rebus puzzle. No, that would have been even a little bit too far for me. I feel like the fans of this podcast are going to like the parody test. I don't even think the fans of this podcast would have been on board with me telling Rob about the verbal rebus.

But I do have a verbal rebus. Okay. It was, of course, going to be from a, the answer will be a first boot in Survivor history, which you probably could have figured out based on the theme of this quiz. So here it is. The blank 39 breakfast used to be a staple of the Survivor finale. Plus Jenna Lewis famously didn't get this from her family on Survivor Borneo And then we have the first player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was

given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the first initials of the player who was given the f-ing stick by Jason. Plus, I think- I wasn't sure if General Lewis didn't get a tape or a video, but okay. Now we got it. We'll go with video for the purpose of this. Plus, I think that Mark will enjoy this one. This season 47 contestant allegedly hadn't tried many common fruits before going on Survivor.

Plus, Wes snail is the blank of Keith Nail. Okay, Mark, you think you got this? I do, I do. 39 Breakfast, what is that? That would be day. Day, Jenna Lewis didn't get this, we said video already, video to make this work. Minus the first and last initials of the person given the stick. Who was it?

Eliza. Oh, season 47 contestant who didn't eat fruit. That is Sam. Sam, your buddy Sam and West Nails, the blank of Keith now. The son of the sun. Who do we have? Famed baseball executive David Sampson. David Sampson, baby. The first verbal rebus answer of the season.

Put it on his Wikipedia page. Yep. There you go. Shout out to David Sampson. That's what I came for. I knew I might lose, but I came to get the verbal rebus. Came to get the verbal rebus. Come for the twish, stay for the verbal rebus. That's what they say. Alright, well Mark, thank you so much for being here with us, this was a lot of fun to get to play against you. Jordan, what do you want to tell people to check out?

You can check out my, I guess the blue sky, I haven't been using the blue sky as much as I should be. I hear that a lot. Yeah, I've still been using the X, I'm still on there. I guess I'm mainly doing survivor stuff and I'm not on there so much anymore. My Instagram, I've been posting some pictures that I took this summer in Europe. I'm finally posting pictures.

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