RHAP: We Know Survivor - Exit Interview: Sixth Elimination on Survivor 49

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

Today, Rob speaks with the sixth castaway voted out of Survivor 49.

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ultimately ended up on the wrong side of the swap and ultimately ended up getting voted out in episode number five of Survivor 49. We'll talk to him. Busy Thursday coming up for me because then later on today, I'm going to talk to Star to me from Survivor 48 and see what she's thinking about all of this. We'll have amazing race coverage as well. And the Survivor Q&A coming up on Friday afternoon for the patrons of RHAP at 3 p.m. Eastern.

All right. I see that we have Jason on the line. let's go ahead and patch them in recording in progress hey jason what's going on rob cisternino how you doing dude i feel good i mean i would have felt better if i survived the night but like no dude this whole experience has been crazy and i get to talk to a bunch of cool people today okay well jason i'd love to hear a little bit more about your experience and i'd love to start with the tribal council that we saw last night where you went in and you felt like that you thought rizzo was going to be the vote can you talk a little bit more

more about the plan that you were sold? Yeah, and I think that sold is such a good way to put it because it ain't my plan. Like, it's not something that, like, it's homegrown in, like, the fields of Jason, right? It's, it's something that, um, was sort of pitched to me softly by Savannah. And I think that if I were to add one thing into that episode to make it, like to flesh out the story a little more, it's that Savannah is like, selling me this all day that um and i think that there's a piece of it where it's like i should have been like why rizzo i don't really understand like i i think that it was because my

relationship with joan was was pretty strong that like any name that wasn't joan was something that savanna was like oh yeah yeah if you don't like joan what about rizzo rizzo rizzo has really strong connections to his family like uh that means he's going to be uly strong we don't want that like it was such a it was such like a cobbled together reason and i'm like whatever i'll just i'll just roll with it if whatever you're comfortable with i'm just gonna follow your yeah because the episode really had it be the drama was that is savannah going to be so tired of joan that she wants joan out so we really did not even see much of what the argument was to get rid of riso yeah and i think that there isn't a lot of reason there because there wasn't

a lot of reason given right like i'm just grasping at straws right like i'm just grasping at straws right like I think that my pitch to Uli was like, hey, straight up, y'all have been like on a tribe together for seven days. I was on a seven day journey, right? And I just came back into the mix. So if there's any sort of your inner dynamics, if you need me to like help and facilitate something, I think that I picked my people because I don't want to be like a Shannon style where I'm talking to literally everybody. I figured that Savannah wanted to play. So me and her talked a lot. and I was talking to Joanne just because we got along really well.

And unfortunately, like, I think that that combination of relationships was bad for me because if I wasn't as close with Joanne visibly, like, we're just sitting talking about nerd shit under the shelter for like hours, right? I think that maybe that makes Joanne a more appealing target to pitch me because of, because I felt like I was close to him, I think that they might have shut me out a little more. And I think that speaking to Savannah, like, she, I think that she was just so hungry to, like, pull the wool over someone's eyes. Like, I was just kind of like that tasty little sheep, bro.

Okay. Jason, did you know they rigged the frickin rock draw against you until you saw the episode? Oh, man. So I did my due diligence. I debriefed with all my cast members about, like, what is going to happen? I didn't know in the moment that the rocks were rigged. But Joanne did tell me, like, you know, a little, he's like, yo, be prepared. if they show this because I remember I grabbed them like okay it's cool one in three I know that like it's not great odds but like I'm the alternate I'm here I'm gonna I'm gonna make it happen

and I'm like okay well fair is fair ah shucks yeah when was the last time they rigged a rock draw like that and then they showed it on TV mm-hmm it's been a couple seasons yeah but yeah it was rigged against you jason dude and if joan's rigging it against me that's how you know it's bad that it's like well i was saying that you know it would have been kind of interesting if you went on that journey because then you get paired up with mc all of a sudden the two alternates are together did you have a bond with mc over being the alternates because we didn't see it on the show yeah we didn't see it on the show but absolutely we did and i think that you know it's i think i understand the the difficulty of editing a editing a tribe where nobody like one it's

It's like, we never go to tribal, right? So you have to pick and choose, like, what pieces of the dynamic you want to show. But me and MC, like, instantly, like, had that strong bond. And I think that what you see or what the show shows on Hina is this sort of core four alliance with Matt, Christina, Stephen, with MC pulled in as a fourth. And it's like, oh, dude, look at these four people. They look, they, like, love each other so much and they have so much in common. Like, I don't know.

Like, that was just the first, like, alliance that was made. But me, Stephen, and MC also had a very strong alliance that we made as well. And they told me everything about the other alliance as well as MC showed Stephen the idol. She showed me the idol right afterwards. Because that's something I was struggling with where that when you flipped over to or knew Hina and they asked you about what are you doing. It's like, well, I'm sticking with my group. I'm like, Jason, I don't even think you're in the group old Hina. Hina.

Yeah, maybe that was the Jawan of Hina, you know what I mean? Like, Jawan is so loyal to- Not the J-Wan. No, we love J-Wan. I love him. But no, yeah, I think that that's sort of, I think, an editing fumble rather than than a, a me not reading the situation correctly, because let me tell you, I, I show up on New Hina Beach, knowing everything about Hina, knowing more than Matt, knowing that Matt

is spilling everything about his. perception of the dynamic that i'm at the bottom right so i have to play that i have to be like oh well i don't know what's going on it seems kumbiotomy right like but i like also like i know that mc has the idol but i don't want to disclose to anyone because i know that matt doesn't know and i don't want to be the person that tanks emce's game either because we're both alternates i felt like that was like a very very touching moment when she showed that to me yeah so i'm being cagey because i want to protect my relationships there. I think that my relationships are real and very strong.

I just think that I just didn't show up on it. And did you know how much everybody hated the Hina chant? Dude, if you're on Survivor, you're allowed to be a little cringe, okay? Like, that's like, that's my two cents. I think that it was kind of funny. It wasn't, I wasn't the spearheader of it. And I think that even, I think that Stephen at a certain point went up to me. He's like, this is a little much, isn't it?

Isn't this kind of a little crazy? Could you signal back to? Christina or MC and say, hey, hey, they hate the chant. Stop doing it. You know what's funny? Like, I, I knew they hated the chant, but maybe we were a little high on our own stuff. I'm like, dude, fuck them, dude. Like, let them hate the chant.

Turns out they really hated the chant. They really hated it. You really hated it. They said that this is, they've given us the reason. They've given us the motive to destroy them because they started it with the chance. Who knew? I know, dude. I'm so sorry for being excited to be out there.

I'll look at my feet the next time, you know? Yeah. I want to go back to the... How about your relationship with going back to the... When you showed up with Matt. And you and Matt were the two people from the old Hina. And what was it like being swapped with him? I honestly...

I would say that my relationship with Matt was probably the weakest of the relationships that I had at Hina at that time, which I think is like a double-edged sword, right? One, it's like, okay, I don't think that we can do things together as a strategic unit, but also I think that you're put in a bad spot. Like, I would rather somebody go that I didn't have a very strong relationship with. Like, like, I eventually, I did write Matt's name down for that first tribal. I didn't feel super bad about it at the time. It's, if it's a you and me, it's like, I'd rather him than, like, let's say, MC or something, right? But, like, I think that when we're, when we're at that Ooli Beach together, I call it Ooli Beach, right? It's actually supposed to be heena Beach.

But when we're there together, I was sort of waiting for Matt to crack and to try to do something and then capitalize afterwards, right? So the moment Matt throws Nate's name out, I'm like, cool, great. That means that you're probably going home so then I could now work on these relationships with these new people and work with them. How did you decide to vote for Matt and not play the shot in the dark at that last tribal council? Vote for Matt on the first one? Yes.

Or, yes. So, and this is I said that you were going to play your shot in the dark and then you've ultimately voted for Matt. Yes. I think that like my, my mentality going into it was just to be like very, very. transparent, right? In contrast to Matt, who's trying to, like, work behind the scenes and stuff. And I think that the way I, like, frame my transparency is like, hey, you all have the votes tonight. Like, we are given this shot in the dark as a tool for us. And I'm probably going to

play it because, like, if not now, when? Like, you know, it's like, do I just want to, like, save it, like, for a rainy day later? Like, do you, don't you want me to use it right now? So that I'm a more tantalizing target that's defenseless later. Obviously, perception is like not reality, so, or intention is not perception, that is to say. And, and they took it really poorly. I think that Savannah came up to me, it's like, Jason, you got to start working with us if you want us to start trusting you. Rizzo comes up to me. It's like, Jason, playing your shot in the dark. I get it, but it's like, we need something to tell you that you're with us. So that starts during the Matt vote. They flip it so that I end up voting with Matt, because I'm like,

I do, I do kind of agree with them, right? Like, if you want to play ball, play ball, write the name down. So I did that the first week, and I think that I was kind of going off of that mentality into the second week saying like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to keep voting with them because I want to keep developing these bonds, not realizing that I had bought myself a week with a shot in the dark, and I could have played it the second time. How, or did you know you were going to be so good at the puzzles? Dude, no. I thought that I was going to go to travel every week because I couldn't lift sandbags. Yeah. Like I did I didn't I was this is the season that was built for me dude like I like everything ended in a puzzle for the first few times We did so well on them that people were complaining how like it's the same show every week because of the puzzles and it's like hey

If you had three people of equal puzzling skills I don't think that people would be saying those things. It's just because uh you know you had a head and shoulders above the rest kind of guy yeah I mean was that a case that uh you tried to make to stay of like hey you never know I look at I It could be the puzzle guy. I mean, it's such a weird pitch to make, right? Especially like after that first map vote, it's like, hey, I'm the puzzle guy. If we win, then we're sending one of your old Oolie home, so keep me, you know? I don't think that that's something that I wanted to. On that note, were you disappointed that the people from your old tribe didn't try to throw the challenge to save you? You know, I was like, that's what I was thinking too.

I think that when you're in that moment, and Survivor, like, casts a bunch of very fierce competitive people that, why, like, obviously they weren't trying to throw. We weren't trying to throw either. And I'm, like, going back and like, why? Like, why are we all trying to win? What are you doing? Jason is a sitting duck over here.

I know. I should have. I was the rebound man on the outside of the cage. I should have just walked over to them and just told them, hey, I am going to die. Yeah. And this is credit to. Savannah, like, I actually thought I was in a better spot than I was because she has been

talking to me and she's been like telling me all this strategy all day when no one else is talking to me. So I think that credit to her for like pacifying me. I remember walking out of that challenge thinking like, it's okay. I can make it through the night, you know, which is obviously not true. And if I listened it on any of the confessionals, I would know that that was not sure. Jason, anything else you want people to know about your time on Survivor? Rob, can I ask you to make something official really quick? Okay, yes. Okay, cool.

So this is the official. Rob has a podcast. What If, right? So I have here, this is my shot in the dark, okay? Okay. Jason survives the night or he doesn't. So can we like, like do this right now just to quiet what would have happened if I had played my shot in the dark? Sure.

Okay, cool. So if I press this. Okay. All right. Shot in the dark. So the wheel is spinning. You're listening to the podcast. and it comes up as was that nope okay all right so it didn't hit it so if people say i should

have played my shot in the dark it would have been a better move it would have ended in the same thing officially okay all right there you go well jason thanks for making the time to talk to us and all the best outside survivor okay everybody all right take care all right that was a first that nobody has ever broken out the wheel to try to say what would have happened if they would have played their shot in the dark so there you go there's a first from jason who ends up going from the alternate to making it into the game and listen i think that you would have signed up for that if you would have asked him on the day before the game started what would you rather be so he makes it ultimately gets a bad draw there on the swap and we'll

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Back with the Trivia Master Here he is, it's Jordan Kaelus Jordan, how are you? I'm doing well if you see my background right now I'm recording this from school for the first time this season and I'm about to take that

the two of you back to school because I got a quiz baby all right yes perfect I never thought about this that going to the quiz was like being at school maybe maybe if they would have done

some verbal rebuses at school I would not have as many fond memories I think you would have loved it and I think now you would say like now you it's pretty clear You don't love the verbal Revis, but I think if you had some like childhood nostalgia from the verbal rebus, you would be all over it. Perhaps. Okay. All right. Here with us to take me on in this week in Survivor History, it's Alisa. Alisa, how are you? Hi, doing well, Rob. How are you? Doing pretty good. Very excited to get into another week. I got really mollywaped last week. So I'm trying to stay over 500.

Yep. I watched the competitor that you played last week, and I have to say, it intimidated me a little bit because he was pretty good. But I'm here to do my best. Okay. Lisa, tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah, so I am living out in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It's about like 40, 45 minutes outside of Philly. And I'm a stay-at-home mom. I have a little five-year-old. So she just started kindergarten this year. Ah, okay. Do you watch Survivor as a family? No. Actually, I watch Survivor on the couch with my popcorn and usually a glass of wine. Wow. Popcorn wine? That sounds like a nice ritual. Yeah, pretty nice.

Okay. All right. So, Jordan, yes. Here we go. What do you have in store for us today? All right. We are going to go back to the mystery box. We have, I believe, for the first time this season, Survivor Guatemala. It usually doesn't take this long to get to Guatemala, but here we are. We have Exile Island. We have Worlds Apart, 44 and 45. So, Elisa, you get to choose the first category. You know, you used to stack all the mystery boxes at the bottom. Now, I've noticed a season that we start with mystery boxes. Do you have a preference?

I could put it at the end. I feel like I like them at the end. I think I'd rather have all of the canonical season. I can't speak for Elisa. Is this a general mystery box? Sometimes you say new era. Sometimes you say, This is a general mystery box.

It could be, it could be anywhere. So it's all about Rob DeCannio. Yes, the question is actually about Rob DeCannia. Sorry for the spoiler. All right. I think, I think I'm going to go with your favorite in mind, Jordan. I'm going to go with Guatemala. Oh, Guatemala.

So a fellow Guatemalistan and you're going to get the Guatemala question. Let's do it. Episode five of Guatemala is primarily known for Bate Blake, but it also gave us one of the biggest challenge blowouts in Survivor history. Brandon Bellinger very quickly used a rock to cut through his tribe's rope, allowing the Yashah tribe to ride down the track in their mind cart, finishing the challenge before Nekum even had a chance to cut through their rope. Who was the failed rope cutter for Nukum,

who was responsible for being on the wrong side of this blowout? The failed rope cutter. I believe that would be Jamie. Jamie Newton, who famously, even though they lost, wanted his tribe to still complete the challenge. And his tribe was just mad at him at that point. That is the correct answer. Alisa, you start with

the perfect two points. Yes, one of the biggest blowouts we've ever seen in the history of the show, not even close. Rob, where are we going next? Okay. I'm going to go with, let's go back to Survivor 45. All right, 45. So it is the most recent season that we have

on this quiz. We don't know that really because there's a mystery box, but who knows. After Sifu received one vote at the tribal in which Sean Edwards effectively quit the game, who publicly took the blame for casting this vote? Hmm. Trying to remember,

I won't even ask for the choices because I know the people that were there. I believe... Did J. Maya do it? Jay Maya did not cast the vote but she was the one who took the blame and Rob you get two points D of course cast the vote

and D you know D goes on to win the season one of the one of the masterful strategist of the new era did not want to get the blood on her hand so Jay Maya who was clearly on the bottom in the situation took the blame and see if we thought that she had cast the vote so we are tied two to two Elisa where do you want to take us next

all right I think I'm going to try exile island okay all right exile island only two members of the original lamina tribe aka the old man tribe ever went to exile island in its titular season who were these two players okay so two players from the original lamina you said went to exile island okay yes from the old man tribe yes let's see um i know one and i'm trying to think of the second. The first, I'm assuming, Rob, you know this. So I'm going to just talk it out loud for a moment. The first was Terry. I remember him getting the idol. And let me think. Oh, the second. Hmm. Oh, man tribe. Oh, let me think about this. Okay. Sorry, just running through

my head. Terry. Was it Terry and Dan? It was not Terry and Dan. So Rob, you can steal here. I believe the other old man who went to

Exile Island, I believe was Bruce. I believe that they had to whatever tribe lost was going to inherit Bruce. So that is correct, Rob, that whatever tribe lost was going to inherit Bruce. And he actually, that was the previous episode. This week in Survivor History in episode five, he goes for a second time. So

you are correct. Terry, of course, finds the idol there. And Bruce is the other person. So Rob, you steal a point and you have a three to two lead. But Alisa, you're still in this game. However, Rob, you could kind of take control here if you are able to get two points. Jordan, you're going to go see this Bruce Springsteen movie. Speaking of Bruce. I am going to see the movie. I am a big Bruce fan. I actually have plans with a friend. I don't know which day I'm going to see it yet. But it's, I'll see in the city at some point. Very excited about it. Oh, well, you should go to New Jersey, go see it.

That would make sense thematically, but not geographically. Okay. All right. Why don't I go ahead. I'm going to grab, hmm. Give me 44. All right. Survivor 44.

Which two players annoyed Carolyn on the journey, ignoring her and focusing on each other instead? Okay. That was Danny and Brandon. Danny and Brandon for two points. That is correct. Rob, you have a five to two. That was a little easy.

That was an easy question. So before we started this quiz, Lisa was asking me about how I write the questions. I said there's always one or two where even if you're a moderate survivor viewer, you could probably answer it. That's, I think, one of those questions. Yes, Carolyn.

Sometimes the questions could be who got on Carolyn's nerves in a very famous scene. And then also, how many times was there a unanimous vote for the fourth boot in the history of the pre All-Stars era? What is Jeff call Survivors? Like, it's fun danger. I feel like Twitch is like a little fun. Dangerous fun. Dangerous fun.

Which is a little bit of dangerous fun. Sometimes you get a dangerous question. Sometimes you get a fun question. Sometimes the dangerous questions are the fun questions. And the verbal rebus is always just fun. It's not dangerous. Okay. Elisa, where are we going next?

So my strategy coming into today was to avoid the mystery box like the plague. So I'm going to go to Worlds Apart. All right. Survivor Worlds Apart. There were only two tribals between the swap and the merge of Survivor Worlds Apart. Both tribes went to one tribal, meaning that every player in the game voted at at least one of these two tribals. Who was the only player to vote for a fellow member of their original tribe? Okay.

The only player to vote for a fellow member of their original tribe. I believe in this episode, just going through on my head, I believe this is the episode that I, let's think. Was it, hmm, sorry, I'm, so I think this is around the time that Wauke, and I know that Rodney and Joaquin were close. He got blindsided. And Sierra was on that tribe with Dan and someone else. I don't know if, oh gosh. All right. I'm going to take a wild guess. Was it Was it Shireen? It was not Shireen.

So Rob, you can steal here. Yeah, can I just hear the question one more time? Sure. There are two tribals between the swap and the merge of rolls apart. Both tribes went to one tribal, meaning that every player voted at one of these two tribals, who is the only player to vote for a fellow member of their original tribe? I believe it was you just asked me a Carolyn question, and I believe the answer to this question is,

also Carolyn. So Mama C Carolyn. I guess we're oops all Carolyn here on Twitch. That is the correct answer. Yeah, baby. So Alisa, you did give me a lot of correct information about the Joaquin and Rodney Bromance. But in that tribal council, nobody voted for someone on their original tribe. Mama C famously voted for Max. She wanted to get away from the Max and Shireen duo that had been annoying her the whole game. So Rob, you steal another point. It is 62. And we have one more question on this quiz. So Rob has mathematically won. But we are going to go to the mystery box. What is the only season? This is, this is like when, when Jamie wanted to finish the challenge after not being able to, uh, to, uh, to, uh, break the rope. He had to finish

it out. And we have to finish it out here on Twitch. Um, what is the only season in Survivor history to include an auction before the merge? Um, I believe it's Thailand. Survivor Thailand is correct. So, uh, you get another two for that. Rob, you win the quiz, eight to two. A big score, but not a perfect. So Lisa, so close to not having to do the verbal rebus. We get to go to the rebus, baby. It's a short. Why did you have to be a Guatemala expert, Lisa?

I know. And, you know, it always works out that I know the answers that I did not pick. So go figure. But I'm in it for the rebus. Let's do it. Let's rebus it up. This is the short rebus. Rob, you're going to love this one.

Kelly Malbandian's closest ally who ended up getting swap screwed. plus Ben Dreebergen's upside-down-U looked like this letter, plus the last name of the player who has lost to Natalie White, Sandra, Parvety, and most of the Redemption Island cast. So who do we have? That's it. Who's the, who's a Kelly's ally? Brando. Brando, yes. What did the upside-down you look like?

Like an N. An N. And what is the last name of the player who lost to all those people? Hand. Hands. I really think you lost the plot because you can't. The whole idea of the verbal rebus puzzle is that you're giving. Now it's just trivia. Like it's a person's name.

It's like if you said that when Mike Scoopin fell on the fire, he burned his blank, you know, or I'm sure you could come up with any other number of ways without condoing on Mike Scoopin again. I'm going to put it in my nose. First of all, use more scooping. And second of all, make the verbus. the verbal rebus longer, include more clues, use more people in the verbal rebus. Okay, longer verbal rebus for now on, I am totally on board. It's just like if somebody, if you have somebody who it's like, the common last name,

like Smith. And so if you have, what is it, is Flicka Smith? Is that right? There's a Flicka Smith. So if you say that, okay, so you get to Flicka and then you say last, name of the, yeah, last name of Zeke. There shouldn't be that's that part of the verbal rebus. I understand that the Hans

was not part of the verbal rebus. I feel like I haven't, look, I've used, I don't want to keep reusing all the same people in the verbal revises. There's a lot of people, but I think I have reused people before. I want to avoid that. And also, I wanted to get that dig at Hans. I feel like it was a good, it was a good, it was a good dig. Mm-hmm. It was a good one. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Alisa, what do you want people to know about? Not too much, Rob. So my family just actually started a small business that's been exciting. Yeah, we do like custom apparel. So like sweatshirts, t-shirts, bags, custom printing. It's called Rebel Custom Studio if you want to follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Yes, okay. Maybe we should work together on some R-HAP merch.

Yes, that would be great. Okay. Jordan. Yeah. How about for you? you. We got the viewing parties in New York City every week. You could follow me on all the, all the social media at Jordan Kalish. And Alisa, maybe, look, I'm wearing some team apparel right now for the teams that I coach. Maybe we could work on something. I think that could be good. Yeah.

Yeah. That sounds great. And longer verbal rebuses, more more Mike Scoopin. Okay, I got her up. Okay. All right. There you go. Thank you all so much for joining us for this week in Spiver. History. We've got a lot more coming up here talking about the final Survivor episode of the pre-merge. Take everybody. Have a good one. Bye. Hey, Rob here, and you know at RHAP, we're always talking about

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