RHAP: We Know Survivor - Exit Interviews: Final 5 of Survivor 48

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) interviews the final five castaways of Survivor 48 island.

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Everybody what's going on Rob says to Dino back with our exit interviews for the final five here for survivor 48 We're gonna talk to the winner Kyle And then we're gonna talk to Eva Joe Camilla and Mitch here in our exit interview special as we start to wrap up survivor 48 I will be doing the exit interview today and then this afternoon I will be speaking with Franny Marin about her thoughts on the season as we start to wrap things up Look ahead maybe to what the survivor future holds in store and so much more last night I did the survivor know it all so Steven fishback You can check that out on our YouTube channel as well for our late night recap of

Survivor 48 but we have the man of the hour is here, the new champ of Survivor, Kyle is on the line. Let's go ahead and bring him in. All right, here he is, the brand new winner of Survivor. Here he is, it's Kyle. Kyle, how are you? I'm thriving, Rob. Get to see your shining face again. What more can you ask for besides a million dollar check?

And look at you, you're like outside on, is it a rocker? Like really just looking like just relishing in this win. Yeah, yeah. You know, we took hints from season 47. We're staying in the same house they were at last year. I saw Sam Baylant and Rachel's views, so I was like, I need to replicate that. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, that's incredible. Love to hear more about that down the road. So Kyle, first off, I have to give you an apology, okay? And first off, from me, I said, what is Kyle doing? He's gotta make a move. How is he gonna go, how does he expect to go to the end

and beat Joe at the end? And you knew, and you must have been laughing your you know what off this whole time. Yeah you know stuff and I appreciate the apology is not needed I think you were very fair to me throughout the season but um it's tough for me because you know you're the guy who plays the idol, uh tricks people into being the majority alliance you win challenges and I'm like you know but it's the same conundrum that I had in the game it's'm like, what more can I do? And in a lot of ways, we'll get to it, but that was the Shaheen vogue.

But at the same time, let's keep it a buck. Joe was very scary. Eva was very scary. Camilla, Mitch, I mean, shit. These are dangerous people, Rob. In a lot of ways, you guys were right, too. I mean, these were threats. And I just needed to make sure that I was the biggest

threat at the end without people knowing it along the way, I guess. So Kyle, was there like a master plan of that you felt like that from the time you got to the merge that this went exactly like the way you drew it up or were you sort of figuring it out on the fly? So yes and no. You know, after the idle play, Camilla and I saw this lie that we still weren't close. I was like, listen, like somebody went through my bag. I ran up to Camilla. I said, either it's

going to be you and the ricochet hits you. I have an idol. You can work with me or not, you know, in reality, obviously we're working together, but we implanted ourselves in this majority of lines. The plan I wanted, um, and David and I were very, very close. So I was excited to reunite with him. In reality, he was kind of my number one at the beginning of the game. And then Camilla and I pivoted. I wanted to do Siva four plus Joe Eva Shaheen. I think David and I sort of started to part ways when I realized that he wanted to do this strong five, eventually strong six thing.

And that's when I, well, that's when I pivoted. I had this master plan. I told David, I was like, listen, bro, we're in the best position in the game. All we have to do is sit back and do nothing. Especially me thinking, I haven't seen an idol play successfully in the new era yet. Rachel screwed me over on that one, I guess.

But I just wanted to sit back and go to the end. But the David vote is when I really had to start pivoting and start playing a new game, because now I'm playing the strong five game while David's gone, essentially. So the thing that has been hard for us to untangle is that did you have this great read of the jury the whole time where you felt

like you know what I feel like that the jury's not loving what Joe is putting down if I could just get in that third chair I'm going to be able to say something that they like. No to be to be complete I think I had a great read of the jury but here's here's the read they were pissed at all of us. I could tell that the jury was mad at me and I could tell that they were mad at Joe and Eva I was a little, I didn't know. But like what people don't understand is I think Cedric has a confessional during the split driver.

He's the first juror obviously. He trusted me. Cedric, when he got voted out, looked at me and walked to that jury spot. Chrissy, the next juror, was in my original majority alliance to see before and we had a close relationship. Some people that day she's getting voted out eating nachos. Other people are playing some funky ball game. I'm one-on-one with Chrissy trying to find an idol.

So maybe I can save her. Yet I have to write her name down to save Camilla. David was my number one. David was pissed at me. He was pissed at Joe, but he was very upset with me. So I had a read as to how they felt about Joe. But I think a lot of my game moving down the line was intentional as to I need the people on the jury who are going to vote for me. So I had a read as to how they felt about Joe, but I think a lot of my game moving down the line was intentional as to I need the people on the jury who are going

to vote for me and not be as pissed as the many people I put over there. And that's sort of what colored my game moving down the line. So the big move that ends up happening in last week's episode is the Shaheen vote. Now, how long had you been kind of sitting on that or did it ultimately just come up when he has that conversation with you on the journey on the reward? So I think there's two things. I mean, as you can see, I was I was on Shaheen for a long term time in the game. You have to think about who's a threat to your game. And he was a masterful player also playing the middle. And we really were playing this game of chicken at the same time.

Um, people were going out of the game and telling me that Joe's going to win. Star went home. She was like, you're giving the game to go Joe. It started with Chrissy. You're giving the game to Joe. Mary went out, you're giving the game to Joe. Mary had this conversation with me before she left. Are you playing the game that you want to play?

And I started to realize, even though I was proud of the game that I had played up to that moment, played the idol one One challenges, very likable, had friends, you know, I realized I need to give them something affirmative. Because no matter what game I played that I think that I'm proud of, if people are telling me this, I need to make sure that I have something concrete to give them so they know what I was doing out there and they know what Camilla was doing out there. So Shaheen gave me the opportunity, but around that time I was thinking I needed to do something affirmative.

One more final step to sort of secure that victory, I guess. I'd love to hear a little bit about how hard it was for you. I know you had this very special relationship with Joe and it was documented in the episodes. And of course we got to hear some of the stories that you shared with him. But at the same time, you never full on have a betrallet, but that you are trying to,

you'd be a little bit self-interested. But how hard was that for you to sort of like manage those two things? It was incredibly difficult, if I'm being completely honest. You know, people say they want to go out there and play the middle until you actually have to play the middle and you've made commitments to literally everybody in the game. And you know, in real life, I'm frequently accused of my family members and friends as being emotionally unavailable. So it's very funny to me that like, I'm the

guy out there crying, but Joe was like a brother to me. He still is. Eva and I had a incredible relationship. We still do, and it really weighed on me. A lot of powerful conversations were had out there on that island that weren't shown, but Joe and I talked about his father being incarcerated for dating a white woman. We had conversations about my personal history with policing and enforcement and what I'd gone through sitting in a box. That meant a lot to me. And a betrothal aid to those conversations would have happened if I voted them out. I really felt strongly about that. So it was hard, but I'm proud of the way I played the middle.

I felt like I threaded a needle that allowed me to win and also be proud of myself and the way that I played. And yeah, that's what it is. You said this is a game that's won at the margins. And you certainly did prove that I'd love to then bring in then the Camilla layer onto all this. So you're trying to manage this relationship with Joe and then also being self-interested in the game. But then also you have this other relationship of that you're trying to be loyal to, but also put yourself into a position to win. And that must have been a real tug of war of like, okay, who am I going to let down

here? Yeah, it was horrible. But the funny thing is this is like Camilla and I's relationship was so strategic, like I call her my work wife in a lot of ways, like, and we talked for 30 seconds to 45 seconds a day, right? Like I would like wait for Camilla to go somewhere and then I'm sprinting through the, every time you see me going up to Camila, you see me do this like awkward jog

with my little fricking belt on and my Navy shorts hanging off my butt. But like, I, it was very strategic with Camila, but the beauty of Joe and Eva's game was like, they were so good at getting close to people. And so while I have this long-term partnership with Camila that was so strategic, we never got to have those personal conversations until after the game. Whereas with Joe and Eva, I'm talking

about about to get married and what it's like to be a good partner and things that like I've never opened up about to anybody in my entire life. And I'm managing both of those at the same time, these commitments that are so personal, but need to be respected on the other end with Camilla. And it was hard. Were you ever worried that Camilla was going gonna blow up your spot where you felt like that Okay I'm not giving her enough and I'm a little bit worried that she's gonna go back and then Blow up this secret to everybody to try to advance herself

Yeah, no, I mean all the time like listen like that's the thing is when you play I played with the best liar on the island, right? And I trusted her in a lot of ways, but I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't looking over my shoulder with her a lot of the game. And you know, I'm sure she was looking over once she realized that maybe I had a little bit of intellect, I'm sure she was looking over hers. But of course I was. I think like a pivotal mistake that I almost she like, what I was careful was is I never

gave Camilla enough to actually go to the people in the majority and say, hey, this is what Kyle's doing because I trusted in those relationships. I think the majority of people would have believed me. I told her about the safety without power. And I think maybe that would have been the only concrete thing that she could have used against me.

But that's the beauty of the relationship. It's like, you can only make moves with somebody who's as good of a player as Camilla. Yet those are the exact people that you need to watch out for. And I think it's a really nuanced partnership that allowed me to win the game. And hell, if she's sitting there,

you know, it might be a different story. But again, Joe and Eva were very, very scary players too. Okay, I wanna go back to the finale. There's a point where you win the Final Four immunity challenge, congratulations, that you bookended the merge with a win at the beginning and the end. And so then you have to decide who's going into the fire.

And you have Camilla and you have Eva. And there's a moment where Eva is having a hard time and it seemed like you're considering maybe, hey, maybe I didn't make the right decision. Maybe I should put myself into the fire. How close did you come to making that decision? I was 90% there. In that confessional where I'm talking about making fire,

they show me clicking in that coconut. Like I didn't know how to make fire. Boom, pow, lit up. I was 90% there, and I even talked to Eva about it. And you saw Joe talk to Eva about it. But here's the thing about Eva. She was never going to she was never going to let me.

And, you know, people can call that a cop out on my end. But what we went through together on that island was a transformative experience for me. And the moment that I told her that she was doing fire, no matter what I wanted to do, Eva was going to do what Eva was going to do, because Eva's an incredible human being who's smart, strong, and I'm just glad to call her a friend. And what I saw out there was incredible. I'd love to get into the Final Tribal Council.

How did you come confident? Were you going into the Final Tribal Council? You know, I I was like 60 percent of the way there. Mind you, like I've heard Eva speak after having an episode and it was incredibly eloquent. And I'm like, oh my goodness, this is a good speaker. I've heard Joe speak.

And I really did think that it was anybody's game. At the same time, I knew that I had certain sort of pressure points that I had to hit. And if I hit them, then I would have a strong chance. Camilla gave me a layup. I guess I gave her an alley-oop at one point and at the final trial, she gave me one. Got to talk about my butt on national television,

you know, people were laughing. And it felt like it was going in my direction. Of course, I've argued a jury trial before. The only one I argued law school and I won. So I knew that I could speak to. And I was confident about the game that I played. I just was worried that the jury would not be receptive to it. And I'm glad that they were.

The final trial of counsel I know is much longer than we get to see on television. Were there any big moments that we didn't get to see from your perspective? I talked a lot about, and I think it was very nuanced, and I'm glad, again, that the jury's receptive. I talked a lot about managing information. You know, the extra vote, for example, that was played at the tribal council.

I talked about how Jeff never read that vote. And the moment that I got to the merge, I went up to Mitch. I went up to David. I went up to Chrissy. I said, hey, that extra vote never existed. Bury it. It's gone. I think Star gave me the opportunity in that shadows question. What were you doing that people didn't know about? And it was gone.

It never came up again, despite David, you know, and I butting heads in a really, really tough way, right? And that's my number one at the beginning of the merge. I talked about my social game, you know, I really think that, and they have me kind of be the strategic guy, which I'm so, so grateful for, but I think my social game was really important. And I talked about it. I said, listen, I had a working relationship with probably everybody out there, except for Mary, because Mary and I were in the most adversarial position in the entire game. I was incredibly terrified of her. But yeah, I talked about those things.

I talked about the things in the margins that I was doing. And again, the jury was receptive to it because I gave them concrete evidence. And I'm glad that I did. I thought the biggest moment at the final travel council was the moment where you get set up by Camilla to talk about the Shaheen vote. Was that always part of the plan to have a thing that at the final tribal council, a rabbit to pull out of a hat to be able to show the jury a big moment that they didn't know about and surprise Joe and Eva? For me, yes, I think the Shaheen vote was in a lot of ways that there was a lot more to it

But with respect to Camilla and I's relationship, we didn't talk specifically about that like again You saw probably 98% of the conversations that Camilla and I had together out there. We never talked So like I know people are tired of hearing it But like I was spreading through the woods to find her so when we talked it was efficient It was Bing Bang boom But the one thing that we did talk about that we made clear at the beginning of the partnership was one of us is going to win and we will put on for one another if we need to. We didn't talk specifics, but that was like, we always just got each other.

So it happened organically in a lot of ways. But yes, the Shaheen vote was an affirmative thing. I was proud of the game I played up until that point. I thought that I was a deserving winner with it or not. But that was my affirmative piece of evidence to say, hey, I deserve this. I was doing things and look at what happened.

You know, that was kind of my like offering to the jury in a lot of ways. Kyle, we got to see so much of what you did do. Was there anything that you did that we didn't see that you wish we would have got to know about? You know, my you know, I think that

like the way that my story was sort of told in like a really fun way, it was like Majority Alliance and Camilla. But in a lot of ways, I was also kind of a mole in the minority with Camilla, you know, Mitch and I had a very close working relationship out there. Me and Star were constantly sort of feeling each other out where we're going to be. And at one point, that's when I'm sort of breaking down because I think I made commitments to everybody while I was in the middle.

I kind of, I was just telling, you know, Mike Blum, I kind of looked at my game as like, I was the guy like telling everybody, get in the Trojan horse, come on, like everybody pile in and I'm at the door, I'm gonna let you in. But like, I kind of be like, maybe next time, you know, or like, ah, you know, come back another day.

And that was really hard, but I felt like I threaded a needle in the middle that I was, I'm proud of. Well, Kyle, you did an incredible job. And look, you didn't take the road. I thought you needed to go. But you are the Survivor winner. I am not. So you know what you're talking about. I don't. All right? I don't think that's necessarily true, Rob. My mom loves you. So I'm really glad that I got to talk to you and tell Stephen Fishback I said hello as well. I pre-ordered his book. Okay, good. He'll be thrilled to hear that. Okay. Thank you so much, Kyle. All the best outside Survivor. Okay. I hope we can catch up again soon. You too, brother. There you have it. There is the brand new winner of survivor. Kyle had a well rounded game all the way around and I have to own up to, I doubted Kyle along

the way. I did see the light at the end. I think after Shaheen is like, okay, I think that this is going to be Kyle's win, but look, he had a good plan and ultimately he was able to get to the end, not pissing off Joe, not pissing off Camilla. Like it was a very hard road that he took. I honestly, I think in some ways maybe it might've been easier for him to make the move earlier on, but he chose to play on hard mode and ultimately he did it and got the victory. So congratulations to Kyle. All right, we're going to take a break. on hard mode and ultimately he did it and got the victory. So congratulations to Kyle.

All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we've got Joe and Eva and then later Camilla and Mitch. So we'll be back right after this. Hey Eva, the runner up of Survivor 48. Congratulations to you. Rob Cestrino here for RHAP. How are you doing today?

I'm good. I'm ready to get this going. Let's do it. Okay. Let's go. First off, Eva, can you tell us a little bit about the reaction to you on the show and what you got to experience from the people viewing you week in and week out? Oh my gosh. I think I certainly had the biggest reaction by fans, maybe that I've ever seen with Survivor in that my story of my life as being someone on the autism spectrum, yet still having so much success in my world, I have just been met by so many people inspired by my story and it is something that I'm so proud of to get to represent this autism community that is so big and so important to be talking about at this point in our world. And so it's been such a wild ride getting to hear all these amazing stories of people and their lives and how they they're inspired by just hearing about

what I go through. So, Eva, you had one heck of a final tribal Council last night and I was thinking like okay is Eva about to pull this out what was the experience for you in the real time of that Final Tribal Council how did it feel to you? So I knew going into Final Tribal that I was going to have the biggest uphill battle of the three of us because my strategy in this game was to downplay my intelligence. I knew coming in that I was a physical threat. I can't hide my muscles. I knew that I was a social threat. I can't hide my personality who I

am but I can hide this very key part of my life which is that I am actually very smart and I had created this illusion that when people that were not part of my alliance aka most of the jury members when they would ask me what I was doing, where I was voting, I would put it on Joe. I wanted them to see Joe as the head of our duo. I'd be like, I'm just doing what Joe's doing. But actually, I was mostly the strategy between the two of us. Joe was very well aware of that.

And he's like, yeah, like you are the brains of this operation. You tell me how we're going to vote together. And it was a duo, we collabed and it was very, very key to me to keep that hidden that I was such a threat. And I think the edit also kept that hidden and so that the audience got to view me throughout the season the same way the jury did. And so me getting to reveal my strategic side that I was actually doing a lot more in this game, that comes as a shock to both the jury and the audience. And so it was kind of a very cool reveal. And I felt coming in that once I shared more of who I was, that I could win this jury over,

I had four people that I thought that I could win, and I got two of them. And that's bad on me for not getting the other two, but I'm very proud that I was able to win both Star and Mary. Eva, do you feel like that there were things that you did strategically that you feel like that you really wish they would have shown to the viewers? I think one of the biggest strategic things that I did was use my safety without power as a way to create my team. So they, when I got this on that journey, I know that Shaheen and Joe had seen me leave, but what was key is that I came back and I used it to create my alliance. This is, well, David and Mary are still in the game and we had this strong six idea. I knew that I wanted to break

that and pick my core group, that I wanted to set my final four and be like, okay people I have this I'm being honest with you. We can use it as a team Let me show the people and and establish this relationship So I showed only Shaheen Joe and Kyle and was like, okay boys This is our group and it was not depicted that way on the show that this was a strategic move by me to tell these exact People but that is what I was doing and I created this core group that became a very central team in the game. Okay. I want to talk about the Final Four fire making a little bit. And you overcame some adversity that you were experiencing.

So how much did what Joe taught you during the day help you in terms of ultimately winning the final four fire making. So I already knew how to make fire, right? It was more that I was struggling because in my head for days and days, like I know we saw me have an episode in episode five where it was a quick up, quick down with the pressure, the intensity, what was going on. This was a slow burn for days that ever since in episode 12, lost two challenges one I was DQ'd from and one I should have won if I could have just thrown a ball straight up in the end to start it so in my head I'd been building for days how I was a failure why can't I do anything like what's wrong with me like and losing

some motion it just compounded that losing that that final five challenge compounded that that I was like what is wrong with me and so it was not that I couldn't build a fire it was that I couldn't build a fire. It was that I couldn't get over this block in my head. And Joe coming and showing me to build a fire. This was just a way to rebuild my confidence. And he helped build that so much that I finally was able to believe in myself again. So I had the tools.

I just needed to remind myself that I can do it like overall. And I did. Yeah. And you did a great job. And my son, who had you in the the draft was a real very invested in your fire making so I was with you every step of the way Love to hear a little bit about the reveal at the final travel council that came up about the Shaheen vote

Could you talk a little bit about it from your perspective in terms of like what you had thought and then how it came up in the final tribal council? Yes, and I will say that they didn't let me finish saying why I was bringing up the Shaheen vote in the final tribal council. You'll see, Camilla cuts me off as I'm telling this and says I want to hear Kyle say this. So I didn't get to say my full spiel on this. It's not my move to to take Shaheen out in that like, oh, I orchestrated this whole thing. It was brought to my attention, to to take Shaheen out in that like oh I orchestrated this whole thing It like it was brought to my attention key details about Shaheen the idol thing didn't matter Camilla was the one who was saying commit like Shaheen has an idol. Camilla is not my ally Why would I ever take her word?

I take Kyle's word who told me the truth which is that Shaheen had brought up that he wanted to come after me or Joe He actually can talk to this plan where Shaheen would be voting for Mitch with me and Joe. It would go to a 3-3 tie and Shaheen would flip on us. Shaheen is very, very smart. This was a very key thing and when I recognized that Shaheen, this is a great opportunity for him to do something against us. Whatever he's saying, it doesn't matter. I knew that the biggest move for me that I don't want Shaheen at the final with me. I do not want him there. I know he's a good debater. I know that I'm a good debater too. And so I did not want him like debating against me. But I have my biggest move this why this was my strategy move was that I had to convince Joe that his best friend in this game was against him.

And Joe is a very emotional person and if I had had the opportunity to explain this to its fullest that it was not the like orchestrating Shaheen's vote it was getting Joe to vote for someone he is emotionally connected with I think that I would have earned a lot more respect from the jury but I was not given that chance because Camilla jumped in and gave it to Kyle. Yeah because Eva this is really uh mind-blowing to me because my perspective was that you and Joe were so basically like no secrets, basically other than maybe your job that that you would not have done something to maybe I wouldn't say undermine, but maybe manipulate Joe a little bit. That's a huge reveal. I mean, it's not, I would not say it's manipulation. It's, it's Joe and I were a strategic duo. And so every vote that was happening,

he knew that I was more of the strategic side of our duo, right? He would come to me, but I wanted the outsiders to see that Joe was the strategic head. So that's why I was playing dumb. But he, he would come to me and ask what we should be doing. So when I would tell him this, this is, let me map this out for you. Let me tell you where this is. He would listen to me. And this was important that like for me, I knew that this strategically was you, let me tell you where this is, he would listen to me. And this was important that like, for me,

I knew that this strategically was the best for me and for us as a duo, that I don't want Joe going into Shaheen either because if I'm not there, I want Joe winning. And so it's important, but he's not just gonna recognize that it's like, hey, this is better for our game because he is so emotionally bonded to Shaheen, which is important.

So it's not manipulation to show the best interest of our duo and make sure that we were there together and to get there together and have the greatest opportunity for both of us. We needed Shaheen out of this game and I was ready to do that. How about the Kyle and Camilla duo? Did you have some suspicions that maybe they were closer than they were leading on? I will tell you that anybody who is saying in their exit press that Kyle and Camilla that they knew all about them, that that they just weren't doing anything, this and that

even David who they show saying that he knew about them in the show, David was throwing like 27 different random scenarios at us. And they only air the one that sticks. That's like a broken clock is right twice a day. Okay. So like anybody who is saying that they knew about them is lying to make themselves seem better. Because no, I was with Kyle like 90% of the time out there.

We were very, very close as friends. Like he's like a brother to me, we're very similar. I never saw him having all these conversations with Camilla. He would run around the beach to one side to make sure we didn't see him go talk to Camilla. Every time that you see them talking on camera, those are the only interactions that they actually had out there.

And so I love both of them and they are amazing actors. So you saw on my face how surprised I was by that. They, they did a phenomenal job hiding that. And I am not afraid to say that. Yeah. They duped me out because I have nothing to gain here. I proved who I am and I'm not going to lie in my exit press to make myself seem better. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that.

OK. Thank you. Yeah. Can you talk about how you think that maybe the relationship that you and Joe had, that duo that was very public also had a lot of power in the game. Do you feel like that that is going to change the way people play Survivor? Oh, absolutely. I think out there we reference previous players right like that we're like oh like Malcolm and Denise they're a duo or Charlie and Maria we talked a lot about that duo too because that was the last season we saw before going out there. I think that Joe and I wiped these these

other duos off the map in the way that we truly were a team throughout the entire game. You will not catch either one of us ever saying anything bad against each other. We were never gonna come after each other. And we knew that us two strong together was how we were going to make it to the end in this game, and we did that. And I think the audience that a lot of people were frustrated with this season, we're calling it boring and this and that, because they didn't like to see these two

dominant players together. People root for underdogs. But you know, there's a reason that we were so dominant, and it is because we had phenomenal games as a duo. We had great social games, and that these other players were not willing to come after us as a group because they loved both of us so much, and that they knew that if they came for one of us and they failed, the other was going to get them out. So I think that we are an extremely strong duo to be so public and still stand so tall together in this game. Okay. Eva, you got to go on so many rewards this season. What did you do to be able to get all these players to want to pick you for all these different rewards that you got

to experience? Yeah, I feel that the only relationship that they show on screen is me and Joe. But I was very, my social game was probably the best in the game in that like I had all of these people really like love and support me and have these deep, deep connections. And so it was shown and reflected in that that I went on every single reward except for family letters, which I explicitly said I am not going on that one. I do not want my family letters. And so I had these opportunities and it was not depicted.

It's it was very unfortunate that they did not showcase my social game because, yeah, you see even someone like Camilla, who I was not working with strategically ever, she was picking me as well. And we had Joe pick me. We had Kyle pick me, and it was very, very clear that I had a wide range of friends. And I still, all those people who picked me on reward are some of my closest friends in real life, too. All right, tell me the truth.

How much did you really consider going forth the knowledge is power to stack four more rows? It was, OK, that was so easy for me doing the first four. Like I, like I'm an athlete, right? And I just, I had been so ready for some big physical challenge. They told me to get my tennis shoes before I went. So I was like, oh my God, this is going to be great. And then I just like, just, oh, stay on their balance, whatever.

And so I was kind of disappointed. I was like, yeah, I was like, I kind of want to go for the glory. Like I was, I was like, I can do this. But you know, like it was, I was playing want to go for the glory. Like I was, I was like, I could do this, but you know, like it was, I was playing with a team in this game and my team, Kyle, Shaheen, Joe, getting all of us together further as a group was more important to me than other things that more important than using my safety without power, more important than getting an additional advantage, because if I failed,

I would lose my vote and it would go to a three, three, that would be horrific and so I maybe at that point I still could have used my safety without power and gotten out of there save myself but saving myself means nothing if I can't go with my team that is going to protect me and help me get further in this game and so yeah I was debating it because I'm competitive I want to be like oh yeah look at what I got but no I didn't need that I cared about my allies too much I think I know the answer to this question, because I can see how passionate you are about the game. But I know you have a lot of other things going on outside of Survivor.

But would you ever go back to Fiji and play Survivor again, Eva? Absolutely. Let me finish my PhD first. I got two years left. I got to become a doctor. But then I want to go back out there because I'm not happy with second place. I took a win with my team.

I had this team that I wanted to get to the end with and my team won. But I did not. And I want to win too. So I want to go and I want to do it all again. Unfinished business. Exactly. Yes. OK. Eva, is there anything

else that you want to make sure that people know about you or your journey this season? I think that that lays it all out there, but I do want people to know that beyond just what you see on the TV, there are so many relationships and struggles that you're not viewing. And I think that viewers need to be reminded that we are real people, We are not just pawns in this game. And the way the internet speaks about us, that they are attacking my castmates for their decisions in this game,

they do not understand the relationships and what we go through. And I want to emphasize that we are humans and that we should be treated as such and Reddit needs to stop being so mean. Okay, all right. Well, Eva, thank you for coming on here and talking this through.

This was very thorough in terms of everything that we learned here today. So thank you for that. Hope you're doing great outside of the game. And all the best to you in the future. Thank you so much. And thank you for being such a great role model here during Survivor 48. Thank you. It's been an amazing opportunity and love the game so much. Okay. Alright, Eva. Take care. All the best. Bye. All right, everybody. There you have it.

There's Eva and Eva did come in a little fiery to the exit interview. And so appreciate that. Got to hear some interesting nuggets from Eva, especially the part about how she was going to try to get Joe to vote out Shaheen because she didn't want to have him in the final three. Very interesting to hear. With that, we will now switch over to Eva's partner for so much of Survivor 48. We've got Joe on the line. Let's go ahead and bring in Joe. Alright, here we are with the guy. My mom's favorite player. Here he is, Joe. All right, here we are with the guy, my mom's favorite player.

Here he is. Joe, Joe, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. That means a lot. If mama bear loves me, then Hey, that's a win. Yeah.

Okay. Well, Joe, I think my mom was not alone because you really had a real connection with the audience this season. What was that like for you as a player to go out there and see just so many people resonate with you? Oh my gosh, like honestly, like truly, and you know, I mean, you watching yourself back, I hate the way I sound, I hate the way I look on the tube and I just, I was worried, you know,

cause you're out there for so long, everything's rolling, it's real time and you just try to do the best you know, because you're out there for so long, everything's rolling, it's real time, and you just try to do the best you can, right? Like whatever that is. And to hear some positive feedback or play the way that I feel I was at least proud of, the best I could, that's just an honor. Like I really am like so grateful for that

because you know, it's brutal, it's brutal. Like I only see the negative. And so when people are positive about it and you had a positive impact on some people, like I'm super proud of that. Rob, I really am proud of that. When you say you hate looking at yourself on the show, why, what do you hate?

Didn't you hear when Shaheen said you can walk around with no shirt on? And it's his legs that should be in a museum. I think that, I don't know, like, and it's not to get too deep into that, but I guess for me, the competitive side in me is I'm always going to look at what I could have done better and what's wrong. Not just, oh, look at me, this looks great. So I'm always like, when I see something, I'm like, damn, damn, like I got to work on

this or I should have done this or, and so just, oh my gosh, do I sound that awful? Right, we all can't pull off what you do So all right tell me about the final tribal council because I think a lot of people were expecting all the way through That hey if Joe just gets to the final tribal council. He's got this thing. So Where was the disconnect? And that's a great question. And obviously this is fresh, right? Like, this is fresh. And what I mean by that is you see it back. So you have all the angles. I think it's hard when you hear the exit press and you see all these pieces come together, you go, man, like, I was sure blamed

or given credit for people getting out of the game. And then you see, man, but one vote. And I'm just going to say this, like, it's very difficult when I have a lot of things I want to say and you hear the exit presence, like, man, I'm emotional cat Joe. Like I obviously, Rob didn't do something or did something that they didn't like. I hope I get that feedback. I just got to take ownership of that.

I could blame a lot of things or people or this, but at the end of the day, it was in my hands. So I gotta just own that. Whatever I didn't do or did do, I did not expect one, but I don't wanna complain about third band. Hey. That was an honor. I don't know it, but Joe, shouldn't you get the credit though for getting this group here I mean wasn't this Joe's group that you did deliver on that you got them to the end that's

tough that's a good question no I think that okay so here's the real deal. Like the conversations that were had between Kyle and myself, Camilla and myself, what makes this hard is those were real deep, deep conversations that are just between us. There's some kind of off-camera stuff that I will believe always that are really intense, even included, personal things. And then you add in the game and then these lies and deception on top of that, which is what makes it so complicated. But getting the group to the end was exactly that, a group.

Eva was a huge piece in this partnership of constantly, she was calming me down. I'm an emotional cat, you know, like can you believe what someone so just did? And she would walk me down and I would build her up. So I'm not trying to make this downplay it, but no, like, do I think I led certain things? Absolutely.

Do I think that Eva did as well? And then Kyle, and do I think that it had to be a group effort? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Joe, did you see things during the show when you watched it back that really surprised you as how different they were from the

Experience that you went through when you were out there You know Rob, you know exactly what to ask that Yes What can I okay, let me just say this so the topics of David I've heard right about going the word thing or the Shaheen vote or topics like that. It's very, very difficult when there are full conversations that obviously you can't air

because you can't have an hour conversation that we have. So if we get clips of that, I'm not blaming the edit, I'm not saying any of that, I'm saying, but it is one kind of view, right? And so it's difficult when it's like, oh man, like I saw that differently. Or my perspective is a little different. But the edit was amazing.

I'm gonna, for me personally, amazing. But yeah, there were some things played back that I'm like That's tough, you know So as a viewer I got the sense that you were really like Cards up with Kyle in terms of like your relationship with him. Do you feel like that? Looking back that he wasn't always that same way with you of like putting it all on the table. I mean, okay, so we all saw it kind of together, live, literally back.

Obviously there was a lot left off the table. But, but again, I don't want to tear down my cast. Like I also don't get there without him. Yeah. Right? Like that's what's crazy about this is sure. Like did we have a real conversation and then some deception?

Yep. And you know what's crazy about it is also he could have taken a swing at me many times and it would have worked. And I believe, I don't want to say gameplay but you bank on the relationship that we built. I'm going to just throw all my money at that. Like I'm hoping this, what I put into you and you put back into me with real deep stuff. I just hope when you can

swing, maybe that makes you check up. And it did. Um, so yeah, there was stuff left on the table. You know what I mean? But he also could have taken me out two or three votes ago. So I gotta give him credit for not. Okay. Should you get more credit for moves that didn't come on you? Where that people, a lot of people watching the show, myself included, they're like, hey, why don't they take out Joe?

What are these people even doing? But it didn't happen. Right. It's crazy that. You know, because I'll say this, the public kind of alliance with Eva, remember, this wasn't something we set out like arrogantly said, we're going to be this duo that everyone can't mess with. And here's the Kool-Aid that all of you shall drink in the morning. Right.

It, it, it obviously came naturally. And now it's like, okay, uh, now we both got to make this work. I mean, this it's out. So now let's adjust. So I think there's not enough credit. I think thought from that perspective of neither one of us, I guess, had a say in that, right? It just happened and I'm proud of it, but we have to adapt. And then the other piece is that when it comes to this, uh, kind of alliance and,

and what her and I did publicly, you know, the perception is, Hey, don't forget, you know, as we kind of work, worked through this throughout the season, there was a huge target on our back and why didn't they swing? Well, here's my answer. Like, is it a possibility that relationships, this game to me is a social game? And so it kills me when people say, I was on the bottom,

then I was on the top. We all at different, within a second, I feel I'm on the bottom and they laugh. It's true. And then I can tell you're on the top. So I think what happens is I personally go, the reason why they didn't swing honestly was you've got to put work into the relationship. And I don't just mean, hey, you want to work together?

Hey, what's your final list? It's like, no, if you dive into a relationship that's real, it is a gamble, but it makes it so much complicated. Genevieve, there's been people on other seasons that are great players that have said, my goal coming in was to not get close because it makes it harder to cut people's throat. So I was just gonna bank on, all right,

well, I'm gonna make this as hard as heck for you to cut my throat. And you did, yeah. I wanna talk about your immunity run in this season where you got four. You could have got five if one block was turned a different way. But you talked about how that maybe did you get a little in your head when Jeff talked about the record going into those challenges last night? That's a great question.

I didn't think of it that way. And I thought that you did say, that's what you said in the show, that when Jeff talks about the record, that was something that you were thinking about when you were doing the challenges. No, no, it's true. It's like, I guess I haven't phrased it like that,

cause all of it gets jumbled up there, but you know, sure. Like, yes, the weight of thinking about it, but listen, I've been fortunate enough between, you know, football at UCLA and doing some great things, I think in my past, um, the pressure isn't as great as, um, how balanced the challenges are, right? I'm coming from a world where it's like, all right, if you try to make this in here or push this or lift this or hold this, but then of course they put a puzzle

in. Of course it's a thing of blocks. So I was more taken back. I guess what I should clarify is it's the honor of like, oh dang, when they throw out numbers, you're more honored because of how many great players have played. So I think it was more just like, we're at the end of this run And like of course you put a puzzle in here Joe you had so much success in the game would you ever play survivor again? 100% no questions asked okay 100% okay Did you take anything away from this 26 day experience that you had that you might take with you into a future season?

I did Rob. And here's what it is, is that survivor, you have to take risks, whether it's I'm going to gamble and being deceptive, cutting people's throat. I just want it to be a place where every way you play should be okay. And what I'm going to take from this season is, if I'm ever put in that spot again, is don't come in loaded with like, I'm going to play this way. Breathe the room. Whatever that vibe is, adapt to it. You know, David comes to me with a huge majority that want to do this.

That's what I'm gonna do. And so I wanna take from this is that don't be afraid to play it the way you wanna play it. And then lean all into it. Like honestly, like don't hesitate. Like if you wanna push whatever you're gonna do, then push in hard. So that's what I'm gonna do.

Okay. How about just to go back to David one more time, did his vote out come up at all at the final tribal council? Because we didn't see it in the show. We heard his knock knock joke, but did we were there questions about what happened during that vote at the final tribal council that we didn't get to see? You know, and this is being honest, like I was trying to think back because it's almost like when you see it live, you're like, man, I thought I know that there was a framed question from him. And I can't remember if it was directly at me or

Eva that like kind of hint hinted at that. Right. It wasn't aggressive. It wasn't, he articulated it well, but it did. It kind of, kind of came back to that a little jab at that. Um, and you know, and I said it then, and I'll say it now, his perception is okay. That's how he saw it. But our perception is okay too. And we just see it differently on how that vote out went. And I don't want to disrespect him or anybody else, but we see it very differently how that went. Last thing, you did such a great job with coaching Eva up going into the final four fire making. Did any part of you think like, you know what, maybe I should tap in and take this spot and then I'll do it? Because we saw

you make the bonfire. I'm sure that that seems like that that would be a skill of yours. Yes. If you kind of see, you know, in the episode when I asked her like, hey, like I want to do this. That was not gameplay. I was very upset that she, because Rob, like at that point, I thought I'm not, if you take everything out of this, I'm not just going to sit here and we're not doing this. Like we're at a point where I know that you're maxed out. I don't want to disrespect you. I don't want to upset you. But I'm like, this isn't gameplay anymore. I can't just sit here because I feel like I'm in a position right now where it's not, is that a win? If, so if I just sit here and watch that, is that really a win? So I was extremely conflicted on that because I also want to give her the power to know like I do believe in her, but watching it is like, are you, you know, like it's not,

I don't want her to think it's not that I doubted her, but there was a point where I go, I can't, this is a human. Like this is not, anybody would have done that. You know? And then you're like, of course now it's a game move. It's not. So she's so stubborn, but she did it. She did it. She did it.

She got through it. Yeah. All right. Well, Joe, we could go on and on and on. I know you got to run, but thank you so much. I mean, you had such an incredible story that you shared with us here during the season and it really did make such a big impact on people. So thank you so much for that. All the best in everything down the road. And hopefully we'll talk again soon. Okay.

I just gotta say you're the man and you're very talented in what you do. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And like I said, once I see you on my screen, you've made it, made it to the big league. So thank you. Thank you, Joe. All right, take care, buddy. Bye. Joe, so complimentary showing off that social game and great job there by Joe and, you know, tough spot to try to talk about why you didn't win Survivor. So really appreciate Joe taking the time to talk with me

about all of that. I didn't get the message until after I did the interview But Joe I asked my mom how she's doing she said to tell Joe that he's not just a fireman Perhaps he's a superhero Okay, so she's still very much in team Joe all right. We're gonna take a break when we come back We've got my exit interview with Camilla, and then after that we'll hear from Mitch right after this. The white chocolate macadamia cream cold brew from Starbucks is made just the way you like it. Handcrafted cold foam topped with toasted cookie crumble. It's a sweet summer twist

on iced coffee. Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. All right. We're here with our fourth place finisher, Camilla. Camilla, how are you? I'm great. Yeah, okay. Well, I'm really looking forward to getting the chance to talk more to you about your game.

Now, is this new Camilla or old Camilla? I'm pretty sure it's new Camilla. It's new, new Camilla has just taken over. Yeah, old Camilla, I think, I said old Camilla has just taken over. Yeah, old Camilla, I think, I said old Camilla died on the beach. I think old Camilla died at that fire making challenge. And honestly, all Camillas died at that fire making challenge.

So much of the show last night was about this new persona that you're taking over and about how your family doubted you. What was their reaction when they got to see all that? They were just so proud. They wouldn't stop talking about it the entire night. Honestly, every episode, they're just like, oh, my God, we're so proud of you. We're so proud of you. Even my brother, who never says he's proud of me. He wouldn't say it to me. He would say it to his wife or to my husband.

Be like, damn, I'm proud of her. She did good. And then they tell me, but they've been loving it. Yeah. So back in the preseason, you talked about how, you know what I want? I want to be part of a very fluid season. Okay. I want to be moving around and this came up during the season of were you on the wrong season to really highlight your strengths? Yes. I think in order to really highlight my strengths, I was probably on the right wrong

season, but I'll say another one of my strengths was highlighted and that was the ability to adapt and not play the game that I wanted to play and I did all right at it. Yeah, I feel like that we saw so much of your story through the lens of Kyle and Camilla, but there's a lot of times I'm wondering, but what's Camilla doing when she's not with Kyle? Could you bring us in and help us know a little bit more about because I have to feel like Watching you from afar. I feel like I the wheels are always turning I feel like that you must have been coming up with all of these plans Could you tell us a little bit take us on that journey of what was the where? Camilla is in the you know, the first person perspective, what were some things that you were working

on? It's funny that everyone thinks that my brain was spinning at all times. So honestly, I was pretty dead out there. And yeah, they show footage of me napping in the hammock. That wasn't me all the time, I swear. But honestly, I was just talking to other people, mostly about food. Me and Mitch actually had a really close relationship

and I'd love to say, like, yeah, I was thinking of ways to get Shaheen out, ways to frame other people, pin things on other people because I wanted that, I needed that, like, pinning other people thing to work because this was a season of honesty and integrity and if you pin or frame someone They're gonna they're gonna lose it. And so I knew that was what we had to do um, but yeah, like

I mean it was mostly my brain was spinning on how how to get Shaheen out of here, you know I started with the he has an idol. He might have an idol. That was the the beginning of it and that That paid off in so many ways. From David not wanting to throw boats on me, and then from people actually believing it, a final six. Yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you about talking to Kyle about, hey, if one of us wins immunity, okay, we should put the other one into fire.

Do you look back at that decision and say like maybe I jumped the gun or because that here's my question because we saw at the final tribal council that they said who here would have voted for Camilla and a bunch of people raised their hands and I'm like maybe maybe Camilla beats Kyle if she goes to the final travel council with him? Um, here's the thing. Kyle's not an idiot. There's absolutely no way that Kyle is a smart man. There is no way he is bringing me to final travel council, even if I didn't say that. And the most I could do is make him feel bad about it. Kyle, how could you do this to me? We're best friends.

And it's just gonna like hurt him a little bit, but he's still going to make the right decision at the end of the day. He is a smart man. I think like I don't I don't think I like automatically win against Kyle and final travel council. It's going to be a fight. I think I fight hard. I am not I have thrown many people under the bus. You love my 25 days. I love doing it. I would have fought hard. I am not, I have thrown many people under the bus throughout my 25 days. I love doing it. I would have fought hard against Kyle. I would have lied and tried and claimed

some of his moves as my own. I would have tried to make him look bad in front of the jury. I know Joe and Eva were like, we're gonna be respectful about it because they were both sitting there. I would not have been respectful at all. Okay. We would have loved to have seen it.

Yeah. Okay. I wanna go back to the final eight, where there is a point where there's a plan of the people, the four people on the bottom, okay, maybe we'll go to rocks, okay, and we're going to take out Joe and we'll go to rocks. And I don't remember if he actually won immunity at the final eight or if there would have been somebody else you would have to take out. How close did that plan ever come to happening? I don't think that plan was close at all. Something we didn't see was that Star really

believed she was in with Joe and Eva. I would tell her some fake information, and it would come out the other end from Joan Eva and Kyle would be like, oh yeah, start, start told them all this. And I'm like, okay, yep. That confirms that we just cannot work with start cause she's not in with us. But Rob, when you were like, oh, your, your head must always be spinning. My go-to, and you can ask anyone out there, Camilla always wanted to go to rocks.

She was just like, they're scared. They're scared. They're, they're playing a Camilla always wanted to go to rocks. She was just like, they're scared, they're scared. They're playing a scared game. They're gonna flip, they're gonna flip. I wanted to go to rocks. Like so many times, pre-emerge even. I was like, let's go to rocks, let's go to rocks. They're like, calm down, we don't need to do this.

I wanted to do it so bad. Well, what is it? You love the rush of going to rocks? Yeah. Like I strongly believed that the people we were playing with were playing a little afraid, and so they would flip. Yeah, okay. So I wanna go back to the Thomas vote,

because that was really a masterful round that you and Kyle really pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. How, after that, did you two stay a secret after all that? What was it? Kyle had told them that, you know, it looked like someone went through his bag, so he knew what to do. And what I told them was that Kyle came up to me last minute before travel council, and he goes, I have the idol. I'm playing it. They're splitting the votes. You go home unless you vote with me. And they're like, oh yeah, that makes sense. That's what you'd have to do in the moment. Yeah. And they believed

it. And everybody else just thought you two were like nothing after that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand. I also do not understand. I don't know how it didn't come up at all. That's why we were like, Oh, we need to get rid of Shaheen because maybe he has an idea. Yeah. Okay. Did you and Kyle really do a number on Mitch? Is that where Mitch, and what I mean is that, is that why Mitch felt like that he had more of a shot

to not flip, okay, well, I'm going to get down to Kyle and Camilla, those are my people. And then it was a real rug pull when you got to five. I mean, I was working close with Mitch, but I never once told him like, hey, we're going to the end together or anything like that. I'm pretty sure I never promised him like final three or anything. It was just we were working close together. I just never said before that before final five that like, hey, one of us should sit next to Joe and Eva. I only told him that at final five Yeah, all right. Can you tell me and we've been trying to piece together what happened all through the season? How were Joe and Eva looked at by the other players that something that I was talking about with Steven last night was that? Did the group did a bunch of people feel like, hey, Joe and Eva are actually great people to go to? I know this was Shaheen's plan.

Obviously it was Kyle's plan. Maybe it was yours. Is that how everybody looked at Joe and Eva as their perfect people to sit with at the end? At least, I mean, like those of us that you mentioned, yes, we were pretty sure. I spend most of my tribal councils, like as people answer questions, I look at the jury to see their response. And the jury was not very happy with Joe and Eva.

So I was like, oh, they don't like them. They smile whenever I talk. I think I have a chance sitting next to them. Yeah. You talked about jury management. I think it was more as it pertained to David. But was that a really big part of the season managing of the jury? Yeah. Also, it wasn't, I mean, you know, how they edit it, they'll show David after it.

That jury management thing was to everyone in the strong five, because other than Shaheen and Kyle and like maybe Joe at times, people were so locked into their alliance. They didn't care about anyone outside of it. They didn't even attempt to have conversations without people outside of it. So I'm like, you really think these people are going to vote for you when you don't spend any time talking to them? Camilla, we saw the secret duo and it was such a great story over the course of the season. But sometimes I felt like that the secret duo helped Kyle more than it was helping you. Did you ever feel that way?

I don't think so. I mean, I got a lot out of it too, because I always knew what the main group, the in groupgroup was thinking about doing. It also made it so that I was at the bottom of that in-group, right? Kyle fought hard for me, Shaheen fought hard for me, Joe fought hard for me at that Chrissy boat, and that sort of moved me up in the ladder. And so I think it actually did benefit me a lot. What was going through your head when you were lying to Joe and then the branch fell on you? What was going through your head when you were lying to Joe and then the branch fell on you?

Um, I honestly was just so into my lie. I didn't even realize that a branch had fell down I don't know if you see my face after I go from ha ha ha laughing with a branch to immediately. Mm-hmm Yeah, this is what he said. Yeah So Camilla would you you play Survivor once again? 100%. As soon as the game was over, it's like, can we just, I can take extra vacation. Can we just get everyone together and play again? I wanna do it again.

You wanna play again with the same people or you wanna play with different people? I think if we play with the same people, I would know who to keep around for fun. I'd like to keep Thomas around. I think he would be fun to play with. Yeah, well, you're the reason that Thomas isn't around. I know, I know, but he had, what was it?

Steal a vote? That's very dangerous. Yeah, yeah. And that really turned out to be like a very big deal in the season ultimately where that the decision to take out Thomas at that vote really did change the whole rest of the game. Yeah, it got me in with Shaheen and Joe.

It saved our game entirely because Thomas survives with a steal of vote. I'm gone. Kyle's gone. Siva's done. Yeah, I have no idea what Thomas does next. I don't know. So tell me from that point, it seemed like there was a conversation of you, Joe, Shaheen, and Kyle, and you're all talking. And it almost, I felt like that watching that next episode, it's like, wow, this is going to be the four that's going to be like the close alliance over the season. But then when we get to the merge, those, the other three people are like in the alliance.

How could, how did you get left out of the Alliance at the merge? I don't know. I thought that I was in with them too. And then like David was supposed to be a plus one. Eva was a plus one, but I knew Eva and Joe and Shaheen were all tight. So I knew that like, okay, there'd be five of us with Eva.

And honestly, I would be the fifth. Them four would be close. And then Mary, I don't know how she snuck in. I don't know how that happened. I don't know how Joe, Shaheen, whoever, like they allowed it for a bit and then they were like, okay, come on guys, guys, Camilla though, Camilla. But yeah, that was very frustrating to watch.

Are these boys not fighting for me? Apparently not. All right, well, I'm getting the wrap up signal. So we're gonna have to leave it there. Would love to chat some more in the future. I really enjoyed getting to watch you play. It was a blast, and thank you for doing this interview. It was great.

Yes, okay, all right. All the best, Camilla, take care. Bye. All right, bye. All right, everybody, there you have it. There's Camilla. Would love to get the chance to talk with her about, not just Survivor 48, but whatever the survivor

future has in store. A fun one to watch all season long. All right. We got one more exit interview coming up today. We're going to hear from Mitch when we come back right after this. Spring is here and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? You can't get a well-groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered. Sunshine? No.

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I'm great, Rob. I'm definitely a little bit sleepy, but we're hanging in there Mitch Were you partying after the finale last night? I? Was making great responsible choices because I knew I had to get up, but I definitely did enjoy a few adult beverages Okay, all right. Well Mitch. It's nice to get the chance to talk to you I'm looking forward to getting to hear a little bit more about your perspective on everything.

So Mitch, take us through the final five that we saw last night. I'm sure if I'm you, I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, here we go. Joe didn't win immunity. Let's go, guys. Yeah, I'm sure I felt the same way with all of the people at home. You know, I felt like the whole game Joe played such a strong, he played such a big role in

the whole game that when we got to five and he didn't win immunity, I thought it made the most sense to go after him. I was trying to make Joe look like he was incredible like this big threat but at the final six you could just You could see that the jury wasn't having it like even though he was playing a great game like the jury didn't want to vote for Eva or Joe and

unfortunately, I chose to continue to play with Kyle and Camilla but both of them together were able to process that hey It makes sense for us to want to sit next to them, to whereas the whole game before, you probably, all of us were hoping to get rid of them. Mitch, was there a possible path to throw Kyle under the bus?

Could you go to Joe and Eva and say like, hey, you know what, Kyle maybe, and I don't know how much you knew about Kyle and Camilla, you had been with them from the beginning of the bus, could you go to Joe and Eva and say like, hey, you know what, Kyle, maybe, and I don't know how much you knew about Kyle and Camilla, you had been with them from the beginning of the game, so I'm not sure if you knew about the secret relationship, but was there a path to vote out Kyle at five? Yes, I knew Kyle and Camilla were incredibly close. Like after every conversation I had with Kyle,

he would say, all right, I'm gonna go have a conversation. So I knew that both of them were incredibly close. I thought I was closer with Kyle. I think I had a better social relationship with Kyle, better social relationship with Kyle but unfortunately he had a better strategic relationship with Camilla which ultimately ended up like yeah me in there but yeah no I could have thrown Kyle under the bus but in that moment like with all of the emotions and just like feeling like I didn't

see it coming. I mean, like, I just like couldn't, I couldn't recover. Yeah. I'd love to know more about your relationship with Shaheen because we saw you and Shaheen talking a lot during the course of the game. Was that somebody also that you were like hoping was going to want to take the big swing at Joe? Yeah, so when we got to

the merge beach the very first thing I did was I went straight up to Shaheen and Joe and I said hey like I want to play the game with both of y'all. I want to build trust. And unfortunately, like in the edit, that wasn't really highlighted, but it's the reason why I was so comfortable going to the final six with them. Like I knew that I was in their their core four, but I really did have a great relationship with Shaheen. Like I knew that he wanted to play a big game. Like he is like me in this set that he loved Survivor. You want to make big moves. You want to play a strategic game, but he was always in such a good position that it didn't make sense for him to do.

But yeah. I would have loved if we got your reactions when they told you that they were gonna vote out Shaheen. And I don't think we saw that in the episode last week. What was your reaction to that? Yeah, so literally before I figure out we're going to try and switch it on Shaheen, I go up to him and I'm like, hey, like, would you vote off off Eva and this whole point like I like the the past few votes, I'm like, great, like at some point, he's gonna want to make the smooth. that few votes, I'm like, great, like, at some point, he's gonna want to make the smooth. And he literally looked me in the face and he said, Mitch, I'm not gonna tell you. And then I was like, Oh, okay, great. So flipped on Shaheen and unbeknownst to me, both of

them already had something going and it was really good because I was able to look Joe in the face and say Joe, like, I wouldn't have came to the final six if I didn't think that Shaw he was going to turn on you. And ultimately, like because of the conversations that Joe had with Kyle and Camilla and me that he was willing to flip. Yeah. Okay. I think back to your vote steal,

was it, vote steal. You end up using it on the say vote. Block a vote. I'm sorry, block a vote. And was that something that like, was that a condition of like, hey, we will vote out say tonight if you burn your advantage?

I thought I was going home. Yeah. I thought it made the most sense. Like I knew that at the split tribal, it's like huge riot like Take out like the The biggest competitor I could not trust

say to vote with me and Chrissy like Larry I had written her date her name down so many times and I knew she didn't want to play with Joe Lindum but I didn't think that she would actually end up voting. Yeah. And I too have said in the past like, hey, at that split tribal council, play your advantages, play your idols because you never know what could happen. But I just, when I look back and I think back to like, okay, here, you know, Mitch is, is desperate to, you know, have a flip in the game. That would have been, you had exactly what you needed. If only you would have had it a little bit further into the game. Yeah, so totally. And what was really hard is I thought about doing it, but I felt like if I made that big move to block a vote from

from Star and me and Chrissy and SaveBline side Eva Eva I felt like when we went back to to camp I'm done like yeah so I just felt like the move that would get me the deepest in the game and the ability to get back, to get my feet under me was for me to use it and just be like, hey, like I do want to play with Eva and Joe. Yeah, okay. Moving forward. Mitch, we talked a lot about the final eight

of the plan for the people on the bottom to maybe go to rocks. And I know that you see that I'm imagining you still think that that was a bad idea. My thought is that you have this very tight group of four at the top. And then these are because it turns out that the other people and maybe, you know, none of us knew this or never never gonna turn on Jo. So the only people that were ever going to, like, wanna make a move like this

were the people on the bottom. But you didn't have great relationship with Star. You didn't trust her. So you still feel good about that, not going to rocks at eight. Yes, so unfortunately, what wasn't shown was that morning, I have this great conversation with star and I'm like, Alright, like, how would you feel about sitting at the

final three? Yeah. I say me, Kyle, Kamala, you and Mary can all vote together here and then I will continue to play with you moving forward. You me and Kyle and Kamala sitting at the final four. If I went immunity, I won't get fed up. I will go to fire with Kyle and I kid you not maybe 10 minutes later, I walk up to Joe when Eva and he is like Mitch, like I heard that you told star that you wanted to go to the final three with her. And I'm like, what the, what the freak, like I'm trying to like save you. I want to make it. I gave you a final three deal and you went and told the people that you're supposedly wanting to vote out exactly what we're going to do.

And then what you guys see is me saying oh the fact that star came up to me and wants me to play with her what a joke I said that was a joke not that she was a joke and yeah like she literally was still under the impression that she was playing with Joe Eva and Shaheen which is why she didn't play her shot in the dark. So, yeah. Okay, well Mitch, thank you for walking us through all that. I know there's a lot of pressure on you and perhaps unfairly that you sort of got,

became like the lightning rod of like, okay, here's a person who's not in a great spot who's not willing to make the move. And it probably came across to a lot of people, myself included as like, hey, beggars can't be choosers, Mitch, that if you may not love star, but these are the people you have to work with. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, Mitch, you became such a sensation on social media with your finger wag video. How do you feel about the video? You know, at first I was like, oh gosh, like, everybody's talking about me.

But you know what, like, I am true to who I am in that moment. I was glad it wasn't me who went home. It was David. And I'm glad the internet is enjoying it. Yes. Okay. It's so fun and I'm glad that you're embracing it. And last thing Jeff said at the reunion show, he said that, Hey Mitch, he said he's going to be a breakout character. People are going to love him. And the dates are going to be pouring in according to Jeff. Was Jeff's prediction accurate? Right now, I have not been thinking about anything other than getting through these exit interviews and the season finale. But I guess we will see what happens in the next few days.

Okay, but if the requests come in, you won't be saying... Oh, no, no, no. I will be welcoming them in with open arms. Okay, all right, Mitch, I know you got to run. Thank you for taking some time to talk with me on all this. I know you were a great role model you for taking some time to talk with me on all this. I know you were a great role model to a lot of people in this season and really nice to get the chance to finally talk about all this. Thank you so much.

All right, Mitch, take care, okay? Have a good one, bye. All right, everybody, there you have it. There's Mitch and there is your final five from Survivor 48. From here, I've got a podcast coming up with Franny and I would love for you to check out our patron Q&A coming up on Friday at 3pm. I'll be taking questions live from the patrons as we look back at Survivor 48.

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