RHAP: We Know Survivor - Exit Interviews: Seventh and Eighth Players Voted Out Survivor 48

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Rob Cesternino conducts a double exit interview for Survivor 48, speaking with recently eliminated contestants Sai Hughley and Cedrek McFadden. In this revealing post-game conversation, Rob explores the strategic decisions and emotional journeys that led to their departures from the game.

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob, Sister Nino back with an exit interview here today as we've got a double exit interview the morning after the live show last night here in Boston, Massachusetts. And I can't wait for you to see the live show that we did last night. Such a great turnout at the Huntington Theater. We're gonna premiere that on the RGP YouTube channel Thursday night at 9 p.m. and in the podcast feed as well.

Really think you should check out the live show. So many fun guests there, but that's not what we're here to do today. We've got a double exit interview and we're going to be talking with Say and Cedric here in the double exit interview podcast. Two exit interviews for the price of one today. And then of course, Jordan Kalish with This Week in Survivor History after the second exit interview. Last night, Sam Fallon filled in for me. He was filling in for me as he did the Know It Alls with Stephen Fishback.

And I haven't listened yet, but I heard rave reviews for Sam. Give him the fishy for filling in on the know-it-alls last night. So check that out in the podcast feed and here on the YouTube channel. I see that we have our first exit interview, Say, lined up and ready to go. So let's jump into my conversation with Say. Say, good morning. Rob Sestrino for RHAP. I just wanted to know how are you holding up? How is the physical therapy going for your back? Is everything okay? Have you seen a chiropractor from the carrying of the season that you've done?

I am in recovery currently. I do think that it's going to take a while to recover. My physical therapist said that you guys did a job on my back and I could feel it the whole time I was out there. And then I started to have reoccurring pain when I started watching it back. I was like, hey, I really was carrying you guys on my back. You guys weigh a lot. you guys on my back. You guys weigh a lot. Yeah. So I was blindsided watching the episode last night. Were you blindsided when you were at that tribal council? I don't think so. And I think that my reaction is very telling. Like I was kind of out of resolve with it all. And I knew that I was on the bottom. Look at who I was at tribal when I was with the dynamic duo of Eva and Joe, like love that for them. And then I was on the bottom. Look at who I was at tribal win. I was with the dynamic duo of Eva and Joe.

Like, love that for them. And then I was with Mitch and Chrissy who were strong. Siva Six, one of them has got to win, they said. And then Star, who was like trying to prove actively, trying to prove herself to her logger lines. So the writing was on the wall, but I still wasn't going to go out without a fight. Like, I enjoyed every moment of being out there. So I was like, OK, if wasn't going to go out without a fight. I enjoyed every moment of being out there. So I was like, okay, if you're going to get rid of me, let's at least have some

conversation then play nicey, nicey. Do you think at any point that you had flipped it against Mitch? No. When I knew about his blocker vote, it was a matter of if he was going to use the blocker vote or not. My biggest regret was going to him. Cause right after Chrissy, which I don't see Chrissy's like, Oh, the vote is Mitch. I didn't believe it for a second. Right after she spoke to me, I go over to Mitch and I'm like, I'm going to play my shot in the dark. I want you to know this.

And I said it as a more of a threat when I should have just kept it to myself and just sort of been more elusive, like, Oh yeah, no, I don't know who they're going to vote for and let them think I was gonna do Mitch and then bam, play my shot in the dark and it would have worked, but whatever. It's fine. Yeah, you had such an interesting journey on this season. What do you think would have happened to you if they didn't do a split tribal council in this round? Yeah, somebody talked to Jeff and tell him to stop doing the split tribal. I would have still been- You could have talked to him. Yeah. Somebody talk to Jeff and tell him to stop doing this split tribal. I would have still been- You talk to him.

Yes. I'm going to send him an email right after this, but I would have still been there because the vote was Mitch. They wanted to get rid of Mitch. I knew that. When this wrench called split tribal comes into play, I was like, oh my gosh, I would get stuck with the one person that I knew they were going to vote off. What if it was flipped and your group went to tribal council second and your person was going to be on the jury? Do you think that you still would have gone home in that scenario? I oddly do because I don't think I knew that everybody had an understanding that I was a wild card and that I'd be hard to pitch as to why they should win this million dollars

and rightfully so. I hadn't proven myself to them to why they should win this million dollars. And rightfully so. I hadn't proven myself to them to be loyal. Like, oh my God, if one of y'all make it, I'm definitely voting for y'all. Like, quite honestly, I would have done the opposite. I would have went and wrote my own name down and see if that would have worked. But they did the right thing. Like getting me voted out before jury saved them all. Say I've had so many questions I wanted to ask you.

But when I saw you on the season, I wondered sometimes if maybe you were trying to mess with people's perceptions about things like maybe when you were on the mat with Mary, were you trying to throw people off to maybe hide how close you were with some of the people from your old tribe? Or was that always 100% authentically say? I wish there was a method to the madness, but honestly, I was just being myself a little too much myself. I know we were all going to go out there and play characters and pretend I would have chosen a character. I would have had an Australian accent or maybe even a country accent. I know,

I should have. I should have. Try it now. Okay. I'd have been like, hey, I'm Say. I'm from, where are they from? Tennessee. That would have been cool. That's good. I bought it. I don't know how much I would have kept it up. Yeah, right? It's pretty good. Hey, y'all. Right. It's pretty good. Hey, y'all. So last night we saw that your vote at the previous round, we wondered, OK, and I thought maybe OK, maybe Say is trying to throw people off that she's not that close to Cedric. But you said you had to get your lick back because he wrote he wrote your name down and you came for him.

Now, what was your plan with that? Were you ever going to let him know or just you just wanted Cedric to feel paranoid? This is such a good question. Honestly, yeah, I'm that literal. I just wanted my licked back. I'm very simple. There's no other thought to it. But I did want to get him his blood pumping a little bit. I wanted to show him what it feels like. I was never going to tell him that it was me because that was kind of fun. But I did want him to feel what it feels like to have your name written down.

This man had never had his name written down. It was making all these decisions up until the merge. I was like, ah, now you about to sweat a little bit. And it worked. So I want to go back to that Bianca vote where Cedric found out from Bianca that she didn't have the vote. And I had thought, and when you came back from that tribal council, you were like, Hey, don't talk to me. You had thought that Cedric voted for you that night.

Is that right? Yeah, it's because he had betrayed. Well, they weren't privy to what I had gone through the night at the previous tribal council. So in my head, I was like, this man went in here and acted a fool again. I wouldn't put it past him for doing it. He did it before and owned up to it. So maybe he did go in here and just vote for me again. I really did think it was him. And I did hear his case and I did change my tune as soon as he told me. And like people need to give me a little bit of credit

for that, like I received that very well. Did you feel any type of way that he didn't tell you that Bianca had no vote? Like I'm the one you're trying to prove trust to. Why didn't you tell me? Why are we telling Chrissy of all people? Like love that. But he did explain to me that he didn't have time. And that's true. Like she was watching him and I had, I was the one who distracted her oddly enough. I didn't realize that I did it at the time, but I had dropped something.

I was like, oh, and she was distracted for a second. And then that's when he told her. But I'm like, you could have told me at Tribal, make it live. She didn't do anything at this point. I don't understand why we're holding out information from the one person, because now I look stupid. Now I'm Chrissy, and then I end up at a Tribal with Chrissy. Of course she's going to go after me.

I wrote her name down. Say you and Mary had such a fun relationship on the show and it really felt like that you were ready to really try to work with Mary in the post-merge game. Were you surprised that in some of Mary's confessionals and scenes without you that it seemed like maybe she wasn't as excited to work with you in the post merge.

I thought that it was funny when I'm watching it. However, yes, I was surprised because I'm very much what you see is what you're getting. What I say is what I mean. And we had had a conversation that we were going to work together and I took your word as your bond. And so that after I saw that your word kind of means nothing to me because Like we're ignoring that the fact that when we got on the merge beat She's the one who came up to me and hugged me. I didn't initiate that so like all the Signals firing off in my brain was like, okay

She really does want to work with me not only she coming over here to hug me She also told me I had the vote was charity. She pitched charity at the merge feet feast All of those things look like okay. She wants to work with me. She wants to protect this dynamic. So for you to have that energy in real, in person, but then in being confessional and have a different tune was weird and like a little corny, but I get it. I can be intense for people

and I can't expect me out of other people. Now we didn't get to see too much of the episode about your reaction to, I think you got five votes at the previous tribal counts. We saw you talking about your vote for Cedric, but what was your reaction to getting so many votes when charity went home? I was pretty numb. Like I didn't care.

I knew I was going to get votes. That's why I was like, but I knew not enough to go home. Like that's why I wasted my vote. Like I was like, I'm going to get my lick back because I might not have another chance to get my lick back. Say it was close. It was seven to five. It was so close.

And I loved every moment of it. I wasn't, I didn't care at that point. I had my knee written down all the time. Like even from my closest out, I'm like, these people can't do anything to me. Now we got to see so much of what you were thinking out on the island, but I'm wondering like were there any things that you were thinking about these people that you didn't get to say on the show? Did you not get enough chances to talk on the show?

No. I feel like everything that I actually wish I toned it back a little bit, because I was, that was me toned down, by the way. Like, if they saw me in real life, they would not be able to handle it. I do think I got everything that I needed to say off of my chest.

And I don't have it. The game is very much a game to me. Like I don't harbor feelings. Like I was out there being the most heightened version of myself. So I expected that from my castmates. I don't harbor any ill will. I don't care enough.

So. So were you surprised more people didn't want to go with you last week when you were saying, Hey, Eva has an idol. What are we doing here? Come on. That was insane. First of all, in the history of survivor, why are we going after the one person who doesn't have allies, no advantages or anything that could actually hurt you? You can get rid of me. You gotta make the merge, say, everybody's gotta make the merge. You could have got rid of me at any point. Like, why are we doing this?

We have two people who have literally in our faces told us that they will go to the ends with each other and they mean it. Like, I could see it the way they looked at each other. I'm like, we just ain't doing this. But there were other things that we had to take into consideration and nobody wanted to make moves. Yada, yada, yada, wah, wah, wah.

Yeah. What was going to be your next big move? Let's say you got back to the camp, final 10. What were you going to tell people to do? It would have been Eva. It was always going to be Eva. I even tried to pitch Eva for the charity vote. I feel like that was the only way

to get Joe to play his own game was to she was his crutch like Joe was amazing Like I he's an intense player, but I can work with intense He's intense, but he means what he says Eva like I can tell that like something wasn't She would say one thing but I knew in them confessionals It was not hitting what they were supposed to like when Chrissy was saying girl power on that bench and Eva had no reaction, I was like, that was all I needed to know. I don't need to see any more actually. Were you frustrated with anybody in that group that voted you out for not giving you a little

bit more of a chance? I don't think so. I think that if it were me, well, actually, I wouldn't have done something that was such an easy vote, but I understand why they did it, maybe sort of kind of whatever. Like it's not what I would have done because there were bigger threats there. But if you want to play a predictable game, then do that, I guess. Say you went through so much during your time on Survivor. You got votes in all of the tribal councils that you went to, that you were tired, that

you got to at least get a little bit of a break. But would you ever consider going and doing this experience again after everything you went through? I'd do it a hundred more times if I could. Yeah. For the promise? We're on stand a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. I would do it. And would I make minor tweaks? Maybe. Would they be big tweaks? No. Okay. What are these other players going to do? Now you've left so much airtime now for all these other players.

Do you feel like that they can handle it? There's one person that I think is up for the task and it's Killa Camilla. She has a wrath of no other. And I saw it the first moment I laid eyes on her. She is someone that is so thoughtful, so unhinged, but like maybe a little bit more dialed back on the unhinged and deluded that I have. Mine is very much in your face. She's very meticulous. She's up for the challenge and also, um, who else is in a snooze fest? Um, oh my God, not a snooze fest. They're all great. They're all great. They're all great.

Um, Camilla and maybe, maybe if he can pull it out of him, Mitch, he can entertain us. Maybe. Okay. Say, was there anything about your game that we didn't get to, and we saw so much, but was there anything that you did that you felt like that they should have shown? No, I don't think there's anything that y'all didn't see. Like this might actually really be titled, save Iver. Like at this point, it might, I'm so grateful to CBS. Like you show all the versions of me. There's nothing that they got to miss out on. You got to be all the crazy.

If they can't handle you at your worst, they don't deserve you at your best. Yes. All of them should say, Shae, away. Yeah. What else do you want to tell people? That I'm really fun to be around and I'm very kind, and that was a heightened version of me. And also, I gave myself full permission to play a game, like play hard, go out there

and do all of the things that I wouldn't be able to do in corporate America. And I did just that. Like very much what you see is what you would have saw at home. If you wanted me to be some dial down version of say it wasn't going to happen, it'll never happen. But that is the one thing I want people to know is that I was playing a game and like full permission. Hey, as somebody who gets to watch the show and talk about the show, I appreciated everything that you were bringing to the season.

I'm sad to see you go, but I'm looking forward to you being in this crazy world of ours for a long time to come say. Yes, more cursive gate in our horizon. More cursive gait, okay. Maybe club condo up here. And the thing about club condo, you got to get invited back, right? Exactly. That's what Jeff says. All right, we'll say all the best to you outside, Survivor, okay? Thank you so much and thank you for like having this combo with me. You got it. All right, take care, Say. Bye. All right, everybody. There you have it. There's Say. And what else can you say about a woman

who just shattered all the confessional records for the amount of time that she was on the show? And she's just such a character as a game player. Interesting, but just as somebody who is going to just say what's on her mind, and what a perfect name for this person who is just going to give us so much just unfiltered reactions to things.

I mean, what else can you hope for in a reality TV contestant and say, delivered so much to us here in the time that she was with us in Survivor 48. What does the future hold? Only time will tell. We will find out and of course, be watching it all here on RHAP.

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Hey Cedric, what's going on? Good morning, Rob Cestrino. Cedric, how are you? I am fantastic. I'm getting a chance to talk to you. I'm getting a chance to talk about Survivor. What a day. What a day. And really, if you're just listening to the audio only version of this podcast, you're missing out because Cedric looks great. Look at this swag. Do I? Get out of here. Get out of here. I've already been to work this morning and I always say that patients take time to come to see me. They should not feel like I just rode down a bed to see them. So it's simple. Okay.

Cedric, what are the experience you ended up having? And I'd love to just hear a little bit from you because it seemed like that towards the end with some of these challenges, it seemed like that maybe the game was getting a little intense. You said from the end of the challenges, what the first challenge, Rob? Come on now. Yeah. Let's do it out there. Well, tell us about the experience for you.

Listen, I come in with a certain skill set, right? I'm not a stunt man. I take cancer out, right? I stay in the operating room all day and I take cancer out, right? I stay in the operating room all day and I take cancer out. I run for activity, for exercise, for mental exercise. So I know coming in underneath this jacket, there's not a lot of ones. I get that.

But this is the beauty of coming out. How's your milk intake, Cedric? I'm born plant-based, so I do some almond milk. That's where you went wrong. Friends have sent me pictures of steak. So like, this is your problem. You need a steak. But I'll tell you, so this is the beauty

of stepping into this game, because you come into a game like this with all of the things that you bring in, whether it be your weaknesses or flaws or your strengths, and it's that experience that you're looking for, regardless of where you start. Cedric, there was this interesting plan in the episode that they were going to blindside Shaheen and there was some talk about, okay, maybe did Shaheen have the idol? But from my vantage point, I don't know if that was more smokescreen than a real plan.

Did you get a sense of whether that almost happened? No, no, I listen, I was very aware. I'm a smart guy and I can read the room. If you look, I mean, I voted the right way up until this, the entire time I was out there. I can read the room pretty good. And I knew where the votes were going. I wanted to believe otherwise.

I didn't manifest a lot. I didn't hold a whole lot of stock in Shaheen really going home. I didn't really hear about his idol. One kind of gave me that information. It was more, hey, we don't know if we can trust Shaheen. He went through Kyle's bag. Or Shaheen may be more funny at the end,

or maybe we gotta get rid of him now. But I also understood the relationships that were already there that I did not have a chance to create at that moment. Do you feel like that this split tribal council ended your game prematurely? Had it not been for that, do you think that you had a lot of runway to go?

Yeah, I mean, this was not, and I don't do this shit of water too long. I set a timer for one minute and then I let it go. I definitely believe that I would not have gone home this episode if it had not been this split. There were still opportunities. I had connections with Chrissy, with Mitch, with Star. You don't see the conversations I'm having with Kyle

and Joe about what it means for the three of us to represent for our communities on this season. We were building really great bonds and connections and those would have gotten further in the game. I knew when the split tribe happened, there wasn't a way I was coming out of this. Cedric, you and Say had such an interesting journey together. Interesting, yes. Yes. I had the pleasure of getting to speak with both of you today. She wrote your name down at that charity vote and kind of hid her handwriting so that people wouldn't know. Did you have any suspicion of who you thought voted for you? I said in the episode that I suspect that this

is something that they could do. But the handwriting thing, I'd spent so many trials, I was like, this is very decent handwriting. I don't know why I noticed the minutiae like that, right? I suspected it was charity after that point, but it really didn't matter because she did her job. I mean, because it did kind of make me think, well, maybe I don't have my finger to pause

on who's voting for who in this tribal. Did you feel like that there was a world where you and Mary and Say could have come together and done your own little thing in this big merge group? Well, Mary was done with me. She was probably done with Say at that point. And I don't think there was really a world in which she was going to work. And I love her now, but I just don't think she's going to come work with us. Yeah. And I think what you're not seeing, they're showing the bumpy parts of staying in my relationship.

But there was a bond that was there so much so that the first day, she's the reason why I survived because she told me, hey, they're talking about your name. So there was a built-in trust that was started even initially, that the audience doesn't get a chance to see in the episodes. Cedric, let's go back to the Bianca vote. And you were in such an interesting position where she comes to you and tells you that she lost your vote. You don't have a lot of time. Can you take us through your thought process of how you arrived at the decision

that you made? Yes. So let me be very clear. I'm not a monolithic person, right? It's not just if you lose a vote, I'm voting you out. It's not that simple. With Justin, there was an issue. We had built this alliance, we built this trust, and as Saivright really did in that tribal, she pointed out the breaks in that loyalty.

And so that was a different space. With Bianca vote, I came to that because in that moment, she said to herself that we should write to build that trust. It had not been built. And in reality, despite what her intentions may have been, it felt more manipulative than actually true. I want to work with you.

I'm a reasonable person. I'm really like what you see is what you get. And if there was any space where, if she really wanted to build that, even when I talked about Justin, if that's when she heard it, that's the space as he's saying, you know what, I'm gonna say, if she wants to build trust in that moment,

I'm like Justin, I didn't. And then I know there's something that's real there, but it felt more manipulative. And she's not a good person, Brianna is fantastic. She's not that way, but that moment felt more manipulative than really like a trusting building. Did you know instantly what you needed to do or did you go back and forth

about what the best course of action was? So what you don to do, or did you go back and forth about what the best course of action was? So what you don't see in that episode as much is we had already had a conversation, Chrissy and Mitch saying myself about easy vote, it's gonna be Bianca. We already had a conversation about that. So when she did that,

it brought me right back to that conversation. And it didn't take much time. We didn't have much time. Producers gave me a little bit of wiggle room there to kind of have, do what I could. But it was such a tight moment. And she was watching. She's as like, she was watching me back the hall.

We saw that you had a good relationship with Mitch. We got to see you two bond, but it was Chrissy that you told about the Bianca vote. Why Chrissy? She was the only one that would look at me because Bianca was staring at me and between glances I just had subtlety of eye motion. It was very nonverbal. So it wasn't, it could have been the tree, but the tree could have helped me.

It wasn't like I had this allegiance to Chrissy. It was whoever I could connect with very briefly. How were you seeing this big group at the merge? Because we see on television that there's this big group in the middle. Is that how you were seeing things as well? I definitely felt the game closing in with that five. And then I saw the other side of it

between the Say, the Chrissy, the Star, even Mitch. I saw there being another group that just, I don't think we were on the island long enough to even finagle that type of bond that we needed to have. So I definitely saw the lines conform, but I also saw there being so many opportunities to get around that if we just had a little bit more time. Yeah. Cedric, in this experience that you went through and you had so many different votes that you were a part of, do you feel like that there is a decision that you made that you feel like,

I wish I could have gone the other way on one of those choices that I made? No, no, no. I think the only thing perhaps is playing my shot in the dark last night. Oh, was that something you were thinking about? I actually didn't think about it because at that moment,

not only was I clouded by the reality of I'm probably going home and the likelihood of me making that land. The other thing is at that point, I was tired. I mean, I was physically drained. I had a hard pre-merge and it was a lot happening that I was kind of trying to adjust to it. But no, I don't regret any decision because they were all founded on solid reason in the

moment, in real time based on what I had in that moment. Cedric, were you feeling frustrated with like that your body was betraying you in some of these situations where that you're in great shape, you're a healthy guy and you go out there. No, Rob. Let's not make this bigger than what it really is. I'm not a, I don't lift weights. My son tells me all the time, it's like even when I go to the gym, I get on a treadmill

and I run for 45 minutes. He's like, you need to lift weights. Because I've lifted weights in the past and I've primarily been more of a aerobic person just for the mental aspects. I'm not even training. in the past and I've primarily been more of a roving person just for the mental aspects. Nobody had betrayed me. I mean, I should have done more before I got out there, but that's the beauty of surviving. That's when I was open. Just let me be very clear. Part of the reasons why I did this is because my kids have never really seen me struggle. They see me now and I wanted to show them a world where I did struggle, where you were gonna see me putting out

a lot of sweat and tears. And so that's to me the win. That's the gift. They're gonna have struggles in life. They saw their dad struggle. What was their reaction? So my son's in college now. He isn't watching real time.

So he'll probably watch it today or tomorrow. And he'll say, what did you do? He gives me kind of like, you're getting killed online. He can't even watch it the night it comes on, Cedric. He watches it. He watches it on his app, whatever. But he watches it. And he gives me the feedback like, they're killing you online.

What did you do? What did you say? My daughter, she's 11. She's proud. But she's also like, her friends watch it. She's like, you're embarrassing me. Why are you on so? You know, that kind of thing. But they're proud, and my wife's proud,

and it's just a joy to have the opportunity to actually do this. Yeah, Cedric, my kids are nine and 11, and I'm not even on Survivor anymore, and they're always embarrassed, so don't take it personally. Okay. You had such a nice moment with Star last week,

where you were down, and Star said, no, we're not doing this. We're not doing this. Can you talk about what that meant to you, that speech that Star gave to you? Yeah. So, so much of what had happened up until that point, I think people saw me, even through what you see on the edited show, there's a caricature that you see. But in that moment, I felt Star was the first person

who saw me. She saw what I was out there trying to do. She was the first one that connected to that. And that brought the tears. Yeah. Because so much of what I'd done so far, so up to that point was booting out, making decisions, we're going to try, we're making decisions, we're going to tribal,

we're doing this, climbing the wall, falling off the wall, rolling the mud, and she saw me. And I think in life, as I tell my residents when I'm training them, patients want me to see them. If you're taking care of them, see the person. And she saw me, and that's what that moment meant for me. Yeah. Cedric, you know, this was a wild experience.

You saw it all. Would you ever consider doing it again? Or have you had, is your cup full now? Listen, I don't know. I think my wife in that room, she might hear me say, yes, I would consider doing it again. But absolutely.

I mean, I think I would certainly be open to all things. Yeah. Well, Cedric, you look like you're ready to head to the Traders. Is this maybe the audition video? I don't know. I don't know if we're allowed to say this on this call. Okay. All right. Well, Cedric, thank you so much for coming on and making this time. Anything else you want to let people know? I just want to just let people know that this is really more about the showing up, how you handle the wall, figuratively or literally, how you come back to the ball

and how you show up again, ready to tackle whatever comes your way. Yeah. All right. Well, Cedric, you're doing amazing work out in the real world. And a survivor. Come on. And not survivor too. You did things that I've never seen before. So you've done it all now. So Cedric, thank you for making some time. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Okay. Take care. See you soon. Bye. All right, everybody. There you have it. There's Cedric. There's Cedric seems like just super nice guy. Cedric the game was maybe not exactly what he anticipated,

but it seems like just a great guy all around. Maybe not everybody in the pre-merge thought so, but I'll be a fan of Cedric for a long time to come. We still have this week in Survivor history with Jordan Kalish coming up. We'll get into that right after this. Yeah, that's right. We're back for some twish here with the guy who's ready to score them up. Here it is. Jordan Kalish Jordan.

How are you? I'm doing great. I wish I could be in Boston with everybody, but I'm sure that all of you had such a great time last night. Certainly. I don't know. What is Boston's nickname? Beantown. Beantown. Yeah, that's right. Yep. Okay. City of the Red Sox. Yes. Okay. Your arch in rival city. Not a fan. I love Boston. I do love the city of Boston. I have a lot of family there and I go there most years I just couldn't couldn't make it this year. Why do you go there most years?

I got a family so we do Passover there sometimes and we we do You know various birthday parties and I'll go and visit my cousins once in a while pretty close to New York Okay. All right. Well, they were all out in Boston and they send their regards. Oh, well, I'm happy that my whole family was able to make it to Know It All's. I don't know if they know what a Know It All's is. They were a little disappointed that you passed over this chance to see them, but otherwise they mostly said positive things. I think they've had a day new of this,

this podcast already. All right. Here with us to play Twitch. It's Max Ambrano. Max, how are you? I am doing so good. Rob Jordan. Good to see you go back a little ways playing mafia. You and Jordan do. Yeah, we do. Just a little bit. Okay. Do you have any embarrassing stories about Jordan you want to share? I wish I could think of one. I'm sure that there were some instances where the votes got messed up and around. Classic. Yeah, you know.

Max, enough about Jordan. What about you? Can you tell us anything about yourself? Sure. I'm 26. I live in Chicago, Illinois, originally from Kentucky. Long time, lifelong survivor fan. Listened to RHAP since 2011, 2012 off and on. So half my life ago probably at this point. Jordan, any embarrassing stories about Max playing mafia? No, I think Max is a solid mafia player. I've only seen him play online. It's different than in person I will say though. I don't know why he's shading me about these votes. We use a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is pretty foolproof

I don't have to do math on the spreadsheet. Listen, I've seen spreadsheet. Yeah, okay. The spreadsheet has errors. I did not make the spreadsheet. I did not make it. I use it It is a very good spreadsheet just sometimes well people vote in the wrong box and then they fuck it up. Okay. All right. Take it easy. All right. You were doing F-bombs like two weeks ago. You were doing so many F-bombs on the podcast. On Twitch? I'm not on Twitch.

That's my internal monologue. That's not in the podcast. You were getting bleeped out on one of the podcasts that you did. I forgot who that was. It was an Abby Maria's podcast maybe? I forgot who you were on with, but you had a lot of leads. Yeah, okay. All right, don't worry about that. All right, so Jordan, what categories do you have for us today?

All right, so for the episode sevens in Survivor History, we have- Episode several. Several, we have the Australian Outback, Guatemala is back baby, Samoa, the edge of extinction, the island of the idols and 43. OK, all right, Max, you get to choose first. All right. I want to give a shout out to one of my older brothers, Nick, who will be listening to this podcast. I want to go to one of our favorite seasons,

the Australian Outback. Let's do it. All right. We're going all the way back to the Australian Outback. Nick or Mick? Nick. Okay. No, Mick is on Samoa 19. Yes, that's true. Okay. Well done. So was it was Nick is on Survivor 2? Was Nick rooting for Nick Brown in Survivor? That's true. I missed that one. Yeah, I think so. Sure. Nick Brown, who's probably doing more impressive things than what, 99.9% of Survivor alum right now. Very prestigious guy.

But we're going to the Australian Outback. When there were two players left in the first individual immunity challenge, who stepped down from their perch giving away immunity in order to make sure that a former Oga core didn't go out on the past votes tiebreaker. I believe that was our winner, Tina, no spoilers, but data you can, you can spoil. Yeah. I think Twitch is a big, a big spoiler. Don't listen to Twitch if you haven't watched Survivor. But yeah, Tina is correct. Max, you start with two points. Good move by Tina because Keith had a lot of votes against him. If they had voted for Keith, the Coochers would have gotten the numbers there. The whole game would have been different here. The interesting

thing though, if the Coochers had voted for Jerry, Jerry had two pass votes against her, it would have been a tie with Jeff Farner. And I don't know what they would, I would have, I would have gone to rocks. I don't know what they would have done in that tiebreaker situation. I'm assuming some sort of like random rock draw. I think that would have been a trivia questions. Oh yeah. You're right. It probably would have been trivia. Yeah. It would have been, it would have been trivia. Yeah. Oh man. Well, people like survivor trivia questions. People don't like who could do

the verbal rebus the fastest. That would have been fun if they went to the verbal rebus tiebreaker. But Max, you have two points. A good start. Rob, where are you taking us? 43 43 the new era when Dwight was voted out, it appeared that he went home with an idol. However, this was refuted at the beginning of the next episode where a flashback showed him giving it to Jesse, who originally gave Dwight this idol in order to avoid it being stolen by a knowledge is power at play? Who initially gave Dwight the idol? Who gave Dwight the idol? I believe it was Janine. white the idol. I believe it was Janine. Janine is correct. So Rob, you start with two points as well. Janine gives it to Dwight. Dwight gives it to Jesse. Dwight lies to all of us

in his, I'll never forgive him for that. I, I actually liked this move by Dwight because that he lied to me. Yeah. Because it would have ruined the next episode. It would have ruined the surprise. Ooh, like it's the first five seconds of the episode. Yeah. because it would have ruined the next episode. It would have ruined the surprise. Ooh, like it's the first five seconds of the episode. Yeah, but it was like I was at the bar though. Everyone, everyone gasped. It was a crazy moment. Everyone loved it. I liked, I liked the light. Dwight is known for lying during the social strategy game. Have the reveals at tribal council, like, Okay, that I agree with that, but that's the Dwight like, OK, that I agree with that.

But that's these Dwight can't control that. Mm hmm. I agree with that. I think they should have revealed it in the previous. Yeah. Or like in his final words, I can't believe I gave Jesse the idol before I got voted out. The flashback at Tribal Council would have been would have been the move. But we are we are tied to to Max. What move are you going to make? Which season are we going to? We're going to go to the first season.

I can remember watching live. We're going to go to survivor Guatemala, Guatemala, the first season people like them on Dandy. Yep. Okay. Okay. Is something small Jordan? Okay. Here we go.

I don't get down to your references. The Yasha tribe memorably, memorably invited the Nakum tribe to a pool party in a rare instance of the tribes getting to know each other before the merge. Whose birthday was celebrated at this party? I believe this was another winner. This was Danny's birthday, I believe Danny boat, right? Max is going with the winners and he is up four to two. Good job Rob you need to keep pace here. What an easy question Yes, it was. I mean, I've gotten to Guatemala so many times I don't know if I've asked about Danny's birthday. I'm fact-checkers probably gonna fact-check me on that but yeah, you know, okay, Rob

What is the next? I'm gonna do season 39 All right season 39 island of the idols at the last tribal council before the merge who played an idol and the gaining five votes against them set sending Jack Nickton home by a vote of two zero. Okay. Now Who played the idol or who had it or who had the idol played on them? Who played the idol at tribal council. It's the person who stood up and gave the idol to Jeff. Okay. I'm going to say it was Jamal. That is incorrect. So Max, you get to steal here. Leave this was Detective Dean. It was Detective Dean.

Jamal played an idol on Nora, which did not negate any votes. Detective Dean's idol negated the five votes. It was given to him by Kelly Kim, but Kelly gave it to him before tribal as a ruse and then voted for Jack to try to make it seem like she wasn't in on the plan. So Max, you do get the point here. It is five to two, Max is a pretty big lead here.

Yeah, so tough, tough one there. You know how much we love to rewatch. Jordan's always talking about it. It's season 39. Gotta watch it again. Hey, pre-merge. Season 39. Keep watching. Before it got bad. That's my favorite season. Primer's Island of the Idols.

I love it. Pretty good. And then it got ruined. Don't you remember when Dean played the idol on Well, Max remembered. Max, you get to choose the next category. You could take a

commanding lead here. If you get this right. Actually, you get to choose the next category. You could take a commanding lead here if you get this right. I could. Right. I believe you win. Hey, we're going to go. I don't even like little number 19. All right. Survivor. But yes, our survivor, Samoa, who was the last FOA FOA member voted out of the game

until Jason in the finale? I believe this was Liz. Liz Kim. If you're right, Max, you will win the game. And that is correct. Liz Kim voted out episode seven right before the merge. Max, you win the game. It is seven to two. Rob does get, still get the, uh, well actually, yeah, Rob does get the last question here, but you will,

you will win no matter what happens edge of extinction. Rob, um, you got, you got so, uh, on your, on your high horse here with the big win last week points wise, maybe your biggest win points wise ever in this format of twish that this was like a trap game against Max trap game. Yeah. All right, Rob, I think you're going to get this one in the first edge of extinction return challenge in which Devons reentered the game. Who did Keith so well give a disadvantage to you in the form of 30 knots that they needed to tie in the challenge. Believe it was on tie.

It was Chris Underwood. Chris Underwood. That is correct. So Rob, you do get two points there. The final score is seven to four max. You are a winner on Twitch. Congratulations. Congratulations. Max. Thank you. I was so nervous all day thinking about this. Because the questions this season Jordan have been more difficult, I think. I have? Okay. I feel like- I have no sense of what's difficult and what's not difficult when I write these questions.

I just, I write things that I remember, usually. I would say most of these questions that I write, at least with the multiple choice, I would get them, like not all of them, I wouldn't get all of them without the multiple choice. But I would say I would get most of them with the multiple choice, because I think when I'm writing the trivia,

it's stuff that stood out to me. So it's hard for me to know if like what's harder and what's easier. The Guatemala question was probably the easiest one on the quiz. It was Danny's birthday. But sometimes it's the luck of the draw. Sometimes you go on a journey and you lose your vote. Sometimes you go on a journey and you get a vote. So it happens. It was a good draw. Yeah. What's more, I was worried it would be all a new era, or a lot of new era,

because I don't know that as well. Oh, yeah. Only one new era on this one. Usually I do too. Max, what is more thrilling, winning tWish or getting your killer Miller guest correct in a game of Mafia? I'm going to have to go with winning tWish.

I don't know. Once in a lifetime memory, all the $6 this one set of lifetime memory, you know, all the, you know, the $6 million and get a win from the show. It's really going to change my life. So I just appreciate Rob for that. Yep. Biggest, biggest prize in the history of trivia podcasting. And you're the other part of your prize besides the money is the, we have, we have our verbal

rebus here. So shorter verbal rebus than usual, but here we go. Rob is Rob likes the sound of that. Like a Pascal was eliminated to picking a purple blank. Okay. Plus, plus the first letter of the player who once said about coach, who is this Jackass? So the first letter of this player's name. Okay. Plus, damn it blank according to Colby. Who do we got? That's it. I can't think of his name.

The purple, the purple what? Rock. The purple rock. The first player of the, the first letter of the player who said, who is this jackass? Who's the player? Aaron. So, Aaron Lobdell. So an E and then damn it blank.

Who did Colby say damn it to in the challenge and a loved one's challenge? It was his brother. I can't think of his name. Read. Yeah. Damn it. So who do we have? Who is this?

Rocky Reed, Rocky Reed from Survivor Fiji, right after right after Anthony. Oh, yeah. Well, that was last week where he talked about that. But yet, the rocket, Rocky Reed voted voted out this week in Survivor history. Another one for the Bucks, baby. Got it. OK. All right. Well, Max, any you want to tell people to check out? Nothing. I got nothing going on. Just enjoying the spring, trying to get to some warm weather and yeah, enjoy that. Go outside. Enjoy the

warm weather. Yes. All right. And Jordan, what about for you? I will also plug outside. It's a great place to be also Inside is great. Outside's great. It depends. Maybe maybe check out those torpedo bats that the Yankees got going By the time you're listening to this podcast they may they may have been banned I hope not. But yeah, you can check me out on on on blue sky on the Twitter Yeah. You can check me out on, on, on, on blue sky, on, on the Twitter, at Jordan Kalish on Instagram, all the things. So follow, follow me if you would like, and we'll, we'll, you'll see me or hear me next week on Twitch. All right. Thank you so much for joining us for Twitch. Be sure to join us for the patron Q and a on Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern for that Rob is website.com slash patron. Take care

of everybody. Have a good one, bye!