RHAP: We Know Survivor - Exit Interviews: Sixth and Seventh Jurors Voted Out Survivor 47

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) interviews the latest castaway voted off the Survivor 47 island, followed by This Week In Survivor History with Jordan Kalish (@JordanKalish) where Rob plays against an RHAP patron.

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Of course, the video up on YouTube next Thursday, I will have interviews with the final four here on Robinson Podcast. And then today, Thursday at 3 p.m., I will have the Survivor Know-It-Alls with Stephen Fishback. Plus, we'll have Jordan Kalish for one more this week in Survivor history after my conversation with Genevieve. But we got a lot to get to. And so let's get into it. And I see that we have Andy on the line. Let's go ahead and bring him in. Hey, Andy, what's going on? Rob Sesternino from Rob Has a Podcast.

How are you? Look at us. Look at us. Look how far we've come, Rob. This is a full circle moment for me, of course. Absolutely happy to talk with you. And I mean, we went on a ride this season together, Rob. You went on a rocket ship.

And it was my great pleasure to watch it all play out for you. I'm really, I'm so proud of the game that you went out there and played Andy. Thank you. And that means the world. You are just like such a pivotal part of my survivor fandom. You have been for years. And, and so I'm, let's get into it. Appreciate that. Let's talk about you though. Okay. So of course, what a ride throughout this whole season ends in a, in a way that many of us and you were not expecting where Rachel ends up switching it up on you. I'm sure knowing you that you have rethought about this, I'm sure many times. And now youthought about this, I'm sure, many times.

And now you finally saw the episode. What's your analysis on the hindsight of all this? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, from my perspective, I did not feel like short-term safety at the final six was my issue at all. I did not feel in danger that night under any circumstances because even in the aftermath of Operation Italy, from the in-game perspective, I don't even think it raised my threat level that much because Rachel and Teenie and Sue did not look at it as a sort of big move that like raised my threat level. They looked at it as kind of like another one of those just Andy being Andy, just like this weak willed, impulsive flip. So I did not feel like I was a threat in Rachel's eyes, which was good for my safety, but a huge problem, you know, ultimately. And so my thought process was I looked at it as if Rachel put Sam way above me in terms of jury stock, in terms of threat level.

Rachel put Sam way above me in terms of jury stock, in terms of threat level. And so I didn't like I even if an idol came out, which we didn't know she had an idol, but even if it came out, I didn't think I would get. So my strategy, what I optimized was like, OK, I need to find any way I can like secure some of these jury votes. she is going to be from my perspective an influential end game juror who is just going to go to ponderosa and confirm people's suspicions about me because she she is another person who hasn't seen my full game i felt like i could not let that happen um and so that was the decision i made to like okay like at least sort of prime her give her some type of open mind to try to like plant seeds in this jury before the final tribal council of, uh, you know, the game I was actually playing from my perspective. Um, I did have dreams of like doing a Christie Bennett, Australian survivor, like full on going from

zero to a hundred at final tribal council. It's a fun idea, but my gut was telling me that it just was not going to be enough. So I was really optimizing for planting seeds to try to get some. Yeah. So we had where Rachel comes to you and Rachel says like, hey, vote with us tonight to vote out Sam. And then and she does like, OK, this would be great that I don't have to play my idol. Did you consider that offer at all or at least consider telling her that you were going to take that offer and still voting, Rachel? I consider that offer at all, or at least consider telling her that you were going to take that offer and still voting Rachel? I consider that offer because my first, my plan A going into the immunity challenge was to swing back to her, highly consider swinging back to her to get out Genevieve. But once she won immunity, that was off the table. But quickly she pitched to me, hey, we should vote out

Sam. And then very importantly, this is very clever on Rachel's part. She said, by the way, Andy, if you lie to me one more time and you vote me out, Sue and I will never vote for you on the jury. That's a risky play that has kind of backfired in the past. But I was the perfect mark for that because all it did was make me assess and evaluate and be like, I can't afford that. I can't afford that. Like I can't I can't blindside her. So that's how it went down. Okay. So, you know, you had this very interesting run throughout the game and you had so many things that you were working on, but in your like heart of hearts, what did you want to have the final three look like? Did you want to, after Project Italy, go there with Genevieve and Sam? What the hell is Project Italy?

Operation Italy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm kidding. Um, so for my end game, I wanted basically what I wanted was to just exert as much agency as possible and just have a zigzag, zigzag pendulum ride to the end that there's no doubt about the agency that I had. And so with that, if I played all my cards right and all these bets that I was placing paid off, which they didn't, but if they did, I think at the end of the day, I would be comfortable sitting next to Teenie and Sue. And if I played my cards right, sitting next to Sam, but I did not want to sit next to Rachel or Genevieve. I feel like that was going to be a very difficult. I watched your interview from the preseason with Mike Bloom. You talked about how you were a whiz at making fire. Was that a big part of your strategy of that you were going to

make the fire? Yes. So from my perspective, anyone can like lie out there from my perspective, it was clear that Rachel was really good at making fire. And I had practiced a lot. Yeah, I practiced a lot of fire and I felt confident in my fire making abilities. And then it came up. The perception was Sam, Teenie, Sue, Genevieve were not good at making fire. Who knows if they're telling the truth or not. But with that knowledge, I was like, this is another avenue for me to do something at the final four.

If, for example, Genevieve is still there. Yeah, I can beat her in a fight in fire from my perspective. Can you talk about, OK, your emotional moment at the start of the game? And I'm sure that you are somebody who, you know, was as prepared as anybody has ever been coming into this game. And then ultimately it was, I'm sure, much different than you expected. So can you talk a little bit about the circumstances of what happened there? For sure. For sure. It's interesting because I feel like I came in day one with a very good mentality. And I felt like my life has become so good back home. This is just going to be this additive free adventure for me to do. And I'm just

going to do my best. But and then on day one, I feel like that happened and I had a pretty good start. And it wasn't until day two where just whatever the turning point was, uh, it was a lot of, uh, panic and anxiety came in and it was a total 24 hour period of feeling like every second was getting worse and not better. And in real life, I have all these coping mechanisms. I can take someone aside and someone I love and trust and be like, let's talk it through and, and bounce back really quickly. That obviously was, did not happen. Like my instinct was to bring it was to pull aside Rachel.

It didn't happen. So that was, it was a 24 hour period of, I would classify it as a panic attack for sure culminating in the hardest thing I've ever done physically, which led to some real heat exhaustion. And it was that perfect storm of going from day one, feeling good to day three, doing something that from my perspective was highly out of character and highly uncharacteristic, but I still, you have to, you're still in the, like when you're in the game, you're accountable for all your actions and you have to own it. But I am that being said, very proud of how I comported myself all the way from the time we got back from that challenge throughout the end of the game. And in a lot of ways, it ends up being a great camouflage for you

throughout the rest of the game. At what point did you realize that like, this was kind of a blessing in disguise? So none of it was premeditated through those first three days. Of course, I woke up on day four with a whole new clarity. I'm like, I'm still in the game, but how can I get out of this hole? And I have watched so much reality TV. I watched Survivor, watched a lot of Big Brother. I think my biggest reference was Kevin Jacobs from Big Brother Canada. reference, I'm like my threat level and perceptions of players in the dirt. Like, let me stay in the dirt and let me like lean on the perception and, and play into it as much as possible. And that worked out for me as a macro strategy for a very long time. Um, and, um, I think that every, not all of it was like some master plan. Like I thought I'd be good at challenges and I was like very strong, much struggling in the challenges, but I would take every opportunity to like, challenges and I was like very much struggling in the challenges, but I would take every opportunity to like, make sure like that is the perception that people had of me. Um, and so that was the

card I played for a very long time in the game. So we saw around that time in the game, uh, that you end up finding the beware advantage. Uh, you don't touch it. You tell Sam about the beware advantage. Uh, he, I think at that point had already found it. Uh, he then takes out that idol that he had had during operation Italy. Uh, but I don't know if we ever got to see the download between Sam and you about where he reveals that he actually did have the idol. Yeah. All right. That's a great, like sort of through line to talk about. First of all, yeah, I, I, uh, I put back the beware advantage because I was just down on beware advantage philosophically.

And I did feel like even by that point, that early juncture that I had, my best bet was to put all my eggs in the salmon Sierra basket and I would have the votes. And I just could, I felt like I couldn't afford to lose my vote. Then I had this conversation with Sierra who I like, we were kind of like feeling good on a personal level. And I had this strategic conversation with Sierra and who I like, we were kind of like feeling good on a personal level. And I had this strategic conversation with Sierra and it went really poorly from my perspective. And she's like, yeah, I don't know. It's going to be a hard decision, Andy, if we go to another tribal did not give me that security. So my sort of like, um, faith in

that plan went a little bit down and that's when I went to go check on that beware advantage. But so skip forward to the Saul vote. Um, he whipped it out to Saul. I think this was said in other exit interviews and that made its way around camp. And that's when I found out that he had it the whole time we had already not been working together at that point. So it was just like, uh, Oh, interesting. Yeah. Um, and then, um, Sam took you on the reward. Uh said he owed you when he did that. Why did Sam feel like he owed you at that point in time that you went on the reward together? That's a great question.

I mean, we had a strong relationship out there, Sam and me. Like we bonded a lot and I feel like we definitely had strategic chemistry and that sort of bore out in the early days of GADA and we saw that. So like we were friends. And when we get to the merge, I feel like is when things get a little complicated and rocky. And, you know, I think from his perspective, the way that the God has kind of threw me under the bus as this as a safety boat and and it never got back to me. as a safety boat and, and it never got back to me. Um, just all of those sequence of events, uh, led Sam to believe that, you know, for him at some point, um, he was not being the sort of friend and ally that, that he wanted to be for me. And so I think it was very genuine on his part. Okay. Andrew, I, every week I listened to the on fire podcast with Jeff probes. It's a great lesson. Uh, and as recently as last week, Jeff was speaking incredibly high about you and your game

and said, you know, that's the type of person that you bring back to play more Survivor. Would you consider going back to Fiji? Or has that itch been scratched for you? I feel through my one time of playing survivor, I feel so profoundly fulfilled in a way that I didn't even realize it was like, I did scratch that itch that I wanted to scratch that I talked about in the preseason. That being said, from my perspective as a fan, like if you got that call, you just couldn't say no. I just would feel an obligation to go back just because it is and it would be the honor of a lifetime.

Yes. So is there anything that you feel like that we I'm sure there are many, many things. And I hope that we get the chance to talk about that more in the future. But is there anything in particular that you want to make sure that the fans know about your game that we didn't get to see? You're so right that there's that there's a lot just off the top of my head. I don't know. I think the one thing I want to get across is that there's like this big balance to my game. There was a high level of self-awareness, but not all of it was super pre-calculated. But I think a lot of this, the whole theme of my game was my perception. And a lot of that was a feature and not a bug.

So nothing was, not everything was perfect. I'm a very flawed player and I made a lot of mistakes, but I can be proud looking back that there was like a lot of intentionality and awareness the entire time. And I really sort of learned to trust my game instincts. And I think I did a lot of, a lot of successful things out there through my time. And I'm pretty proud about it. Yeah. Uh, you were incredibly fun to watch. I think that you are an incredible student of the game. And I think that you are also somebody, uh, who, uh, has, you know, very strong feelings while playing the game. And I feel like that that's a very interesting combination.

I don't think that there are many people that are both those things. Thank you. That is a high compliment. I really appreciate that. OK, Andy, talk to you soon. Congratulations on the what a run. What a ride. What a ride. All right uh talk to you soon okay buddy all right everybody there you have it there's andy not a baby anymore and uh what a great job uh by andy all throughout the season uh it's just really fun to see like from where it like i remember watching the first episode of the season and when he's on the mat, like, oh my God, this is like, you know, he's the new Jelinski. Oh, I feel terrible for him that he went out there and

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Rob Sesternino. And congratulations on what a run that you had as well here in Survivor 47. Thank you, Rob. Yeah, sad to be talking to you so soon, but happy to be talking to you in general. Yeah, you almost got there. And I know it was really by the last couple of weeks, it was really you were holding on by a thread and then finally the

thread ultimately gave out did you feel like it was going to be you at that tribal council or do you think that there was a chance it would be sam i knew it was going to be me at that tribal council and to clarify the thread didn't give out sam took his big scissors and cut the thread and just cut me out of the game well you two had had been working closely for a while in the game. I mean, how did that feel to, uh, when you learned that Sam had, uh, given up the, the bit about the fake idol? Uh, how did it feel? Not great, not great, but honestly, you know, I just wasn't prepared for it. I did not see it coming because I didn't think Sam would be nervous sitting next to me at that. And I thought like this guy is playing such an amazing game. Like he's, you know, got nothing

to worry about. So I just, I think I didn't have the same perception of myself that everybody else had. And so I didn't foresee that coming. So I wasn't prepared for it and then you add in the like cocktail of teeny's emotions and I was just like oh shoot okay uh yeah so teeny asks you all right Genevieve is is the idol fake after Sam tells teeny and you say you admit it yes I do what was what was your intended reaction from teeny yeah well Why did I do that? Yeah, well, because I think that you could have been like, okay, I felt genuine. I needed to tell Teenie what was going on or that Teenie I know is never going to believe what I say.

So if I say the idol is fake, then everybody's going to think it's real. Yeah, I wish I was that smart. I'm not that smart. Oh, shh, don't tell anybody. Don't tell your clients. I was that smart. I'm not that smart. Um, that conversation was so much longer than what was showed. And I was, it was a very emotional conversation and Genevieve, the player did not have a plan and Genevieve, the person stepped in and Genevieve, the person, unfortunately is

like sensitive and honest. And so that's, that's where we get that outcome. And then we have a long discussion about it. And I'm still being honest to teeny and saying, yeah, but you know what? I'm like, no one on jury likes me. Like maybe you still like, you know this, but you can control this vote, like gain some agency here, take out Sam or take out Sue. And then, you know, so here's the problem. I didn't know Sue had a red paint idol. So I was pitching Sam teeny, take out Sue and you're guaranteed to be there. You got your shot in the final three. So that's what I was pitching,

but that wouldn't have worked either in hindsight. Okay. Genevieve, you talked a lot about your journey in the game in that back when Kashawn said, I trusted you, Genevieve. And you spoke about that. I don't think that many survivors I've ever seen have talked about that in the game of that. You know, it's hard to blindside people.

And you talked about like the journey that you had with that throughout the game and then came out on the other side of that. Could you talk a little bit more about what that was like to experience that and to also be playing Survivor while you're going through that? It's so weird. I found it weird. Maybe you found it weird too, Rob, when you played, like you go in and it's not personal. I know that. And then when someone says something that shows that they are personally hurt, it's hard to reconcile like the IQ and EQ of it all. Um, and so seeing people have like really devastated reactions does remind you of like this, the power that you have. And it's like accountability that I didn't want to, I was like, I don't want to be the person who's hurting people. So maybe I just won't be nice to anybody. And then they won't be like betrayed when I'm mean to them. Cause they're already expecting me to be mean to them. Um, which is a whole other can of worms. I wouldn't recommend that approach either.

Yeah. But then you came out on the other side of it. How did you end up balancing the two? Not successfully because I'm talking to you right now, but I haven't figured out this perfect balance board. I mean, it's tough. Like you open yourself up and you trust people and then it clouds your judgment and you maybe don't see things that you should see coming or guard yourself appropriately. But if you're always guarded and you're not connecting with people, then like you can get to the end and no one's going to vote for you because they just don't like you or they didn't have to make the fire and all the time that you spent playing Baldur's Gate ultimately didn't come back to bite you? Oh, so you believe me that I'm bad at fire? Oh, oh, no, no. I'm like teeny. What's true now?

No, I am terrible. Uh, very relieved, but also it's like so weird because I'm the type of person where I'm like, so nervous for this interview, like worry that words just won't come out of my mouth. But then I'm also like, so confident, like I'll figure out fire. If I get there, I get out, like it'll take me a couple of minutes. That'll be the best fire maker there ever was. So. Yeah. All right. So, uh, you uh you were um on it about the red paint idol uh throughout the that what did you think was going on with the red paint title i was like so obsessed with this red paint idol and i thought everybody had it except for sue which is not a shame on Sue.

It is a shame on me. I had I was totally like missing the headline there. But I I was afraid of I accused teeny multiple times of having it because I never trusted teeny. I thought Caroline had it. I went out with it. Yeah, I was on and on about the red paint idol. Just totally in the wrong, wrong spot.

You know, I'd love to talk about the start of your game because you were not seen very much. And I'm sure you were doing things in the first couple of days, but we didn't see you very much in the beginning of the first couple of episodes. And I would love to know a little bit more about like the first like seven or eight days of your game

and what was going on. Ooh, there's a lot. There's a lot in the first few days. So Lava was a 2-2-2 situation. And then I had a three with Keyshawn and Teenie. And Keyshawn relayed a lot of information back to me. And when it became clear that Rome had an idol, Rome told Teenie, Teenie told Keyshawn,

okay, so I'm not Rome's number one, not Tini's number one, and maybe Kishan's, but I doubt it based on like how he's sort of treating me around the beach. And then there's Asia and Saul on the other side. And Saul, one night I tried to make a proposal too of like, Hey, maybe we can work from opposite sides of the tribe, get information and low key, keep each other safe because no one's going to want to get rid of Saul. He's our biggest guy. We'd lose every challenge. Right. So obviously he's safe for the first tribal as much as he doesn't have an idol. Within 10 minutes, he goes and tells Keisha on that. So there was a lot that happened in those first few days that set the dynamics. But yeah, I was trying to do things.

Yeah. You know, we saw so much of Rome in the beginning of the season and that was your ally. And then we saw so much of you later on. And that for me as a viewer, like I still don't know how this was a compatible alliance. How was the working relationship with Rome for you? It was a great working relationship. So I was very sick the first night and Rome stayed up almost the entire night with me, like helping me. So I saw a side of Rome that not everybody else got to see. And Rome was like, he had no shame. He would be looking 23 out of 24 hours of the day

for idols and advantages, which is great. You want to be working with the person who has those things, but you don't want to be the one who is away from camp that long. So it was, there were so many benefits to working with Rome and he was for all his chaos, pretty consistent. He would do what he would say he was going to do. And so I thought it was a great, it was an advantageous relationship with someone who would always be a shield. Yeah. And you know, you finally got to become the Rome when you followed Rachel around while she looked for an idol and also redemption that you were able to complete the puzzle that Rome similarly wasn't able to get one piece into. Oh my gosh. Rome got a lot of the responsibility for that, but I was there too, people. I got

zero pieces. It's just as much my fault, if not more, because it's such a distraction. But yes, I'm not horrible at puzzles all the time. All right. So I want to know, the Solvo was such a big turning point in the season and in your game, and it was masterful how you got it going, but what was the plan for you in your game. And, you know, it was, you know, masterful how you got it going. But what was the plan for you in your mind after Saul is gone? Then what? So I am terrible at making relationships. And so many people who are cast on Survivor, are like these just naturally charismatic people, which I would describe teeny and Saul as being so in the lab. Oh three, like I, I could not keep up. Um, and so my strategy was let's get rid of people who will connect quickly and aren't working with me.

And so in the challenge that Gabe wins, as I'm sitting on the sit out bench, I do my inventory and I've heard everyone's name at merge being targeted and little whispers, except for Saul's because everybody just likes Saul. He's a great guy. And knowing he wasn't working with me and was becoming that quickly, like networks throughout the tribe made him very dangerous to me. And there's only small windows where you can get rid of people. And I think Saul is one of those people. If you don't get rid of him soon, everyone's going to adore him so much, but he'll never be like overtly aggressive or such a big threat. He would make it very deep and I wouldn't. So I think it was the right time, but I know everyone loves Saul. I'm so sorry to break everyone's

hearts. So I understand the, uh, why you might want to get Saul out, but what, what did you feel like you had lined up post Saul? Nothing, nothing ever. I had the thing was when you don't play with an alliance, you can't really do long-term planning because what structure do you have? What numbers are you going to count on? Right? So when you're a free agent or as more solo player, you just don't have connections. You have to one be good at like mastering influence without authority because you have no official numbers. I had to get Gabe's numbers to do the solvo, right? So you have to know who to go to and how to maneuver that. And then many of your plans have to just be like what works in the circumstance and you have to be extra adaptable because you

don't have the scaffolding to take you further. So yeah, yeah, there was making it up. There were some cool moments in the episode where, you know, you and Rachel sort of, you know, game respects game. And you two had both, you know, earlier in the season, you both had been talking about each other. So at what point did you really start to realize that Rachel was such a formidable opponent for you? such a formidable opponent for you? So I wanted Rachel gone in the spot that Sierra went home and Caroline and I had a discussion about it, but we just couldn't get any momentum for it. But Rachel is the type of player who is very social, but not like overt. It's not like shaking everybody's hands. So she doesn't stand out as the most social, but she's very good at it. And she's obvious.

Like you could sniff her strategic acumen a mile away if you were looking for it. And then the challenge threat, like she's not this big buff guy, but she like, she's clearly very fit. She puzzles on lock the soft touch. So like, yeah. When wasn't I afraid of Rachel is maybe the better question to ask because early, early days I was afraid of her her so do you look back and is there something that you could have done differently at some point in the game that might have potentially gotten you to the final three yeah if I bought the burger at the auction and Rachel didn't have an idol and she goes home at six and then maybe I win five and then I miraculously become amazing at fire and then people on win five and then I miraculously become amazing at

fire. And then people on the jury decide to like me instead of hate me. All those things might the way away. Have you been able to pinpoint, well, why do people feel scared of you in out there in Fiji? You seem like you, you seem like a, you know, a fun person to be around. you seem like a, you know, a fun person to be around. Yeah, but I'm not competing with you right now. And I think that like that situation that brought out the competitive side of me and the closed off side of me, it's like, I think I was only giving people sort of negative things to latch onto and not like the warm and fuzzy side of Genevieve. So they were just like, I think they just didn't like me and were afraid of what I might do to them.

Okay. Well, it was, it was a great run Genevieve. I hope we can talk some more about, uh, your experience, uh, add another great Canadian survivor to the Pantheon, uh, shout out to Mark also. Thank you. He will appreciate that. Okay. All right. And then thank you so much for, for chatting and yeah, all the best outside the show. Thanks, Rob. Such a pleasure. Okay. All right. Thank you so much, Genevieve. Take care. Bye. Everybody. There you have it. Give it up for Genevieve. Another person who really came from out of nowhere, seemingly after just the first couple episodes had almost like no edit whatsoever and then just explodes in the episode with a Kashan boot.

And I guess in a lot of ways, that is the start of her story on the season when, you know, Genevieve, I trusted you. And then to see the run that she has where everybody is, she's living rent free in their heads. And we got to get out Genevieve ultimately, you know, makes it a one episode short of the finale makes it to the final five just a great run throughout the season here by Genevieve. So congratulations to her on all of her success in the season. All right, we still have Jordan Kalish and this week in Survivor history, we'll get into the Twish finale when we come back right after this. All right, everybody, we are back for the one part twish finale back here with the guy who I don't know if he's

let's check his mood after very sadly the Yankees were not able to bring back his favorite Yankee of all time Juan Soto here he is Jordan Kalish well I don't know if I would call him my favorite Yankee of all time are you considering switching allegiances

to the Mets now, Jordan, to watch your beloved Juan Soto? No, I mean, look, Juan Soto was at best, I mean, he was, I think the second best Yankee, but I think on, I think he was probably like my, my third or fourth favorite Yankee. Cause he was only here for one year. Contemplating a tattoo. He's the one. I, I, I have never contemplated a tattoo in in my life i i'm not i'm not a neat not a big needle guy to be honest uh but i did have i did have a one soda shirt that i did not buy i i uh was it was left uh at yankee stadium by one of the vendors but it was like folded and clean on a bench so i took it okay i am that's that's going in the trash now in the trash i mean

it's not not yet but it will it will be in the trash. I mean, it's not, not yet, but it will, it will be in the trash. I'm not, I'm not going to burn. I'm not a big shirt burner. First of all,

I live in an apartment. I don't know where I would do my shirt burning. Maybe I can go to a shirt burning. Yeah, that's, that's a good, that's a good point. But yeah,

he's a, he's, he's dead to me. And I, I hope he has a short, a short rest of his career, short rest of his career. I mean,

not like in his prime. A short prime, okay? I don't want anything to happen to him. This is not like a Rudy situation where I have friends. Oh, I wasn't sure which Rudy you were talking about. I hope that Steve Cohen is rooting or Rudy-ing the day that he signed this 15-year contract

and that he's just an expensive DH for most of his Mets career. 15 years, that's longer than the existence of Rob as a podcast. It's a long contract. I'm going to be 49 by the time this thing is over. And that's not Kalish math. I did the real math.

I'm going to be 61 asterisk. Oh my God. Yes. All right. Well, let's bring in a guy. You could be a grandpa by then. Yeah. Let's bring in our guest here today for the

Twitch season finale. I've been taking on the patrons all season long. Here's Joey. Joey, how are you? Hi, Rob. I'm doing well. Joey, sorry you had to experience all that and excited to have you here. Well, thank you. No, I'm a big baseball fan myself, but I am a Chicago

White Sox fan. So that contract is more than the payroll of the white socks for the next 40 years yeah but you don't know if i buy it but you know 15 years from now who knows yeah there's guys on the white socks bench that that make more more than i get from from twitch for the season barely okay all right so jo, tell us a little bit about your Survivor viewing experience in history. Yeah, I have watched since the Mitch boot in Australia. My parents were day one watchers, but once Richard Hatch started walking around naked, they didn't want my eyes. Get Joey out of the room. Exactly. It was impressionable, et cetera, et cetera. And then I walked into the

room during the Mitch boot and the, uh, the previous votes cast against tiebreaker just really, really spoke to me. And then I have not missed an episode since and been a patron probably seven or eight years. Oh, Joey, thank you so much. Uh, thank you for that. And all right, but I'm not going to take it easy on you here on the Twitch finale. This has been, you know, a great season for me. Much better than for our Jets, Jordan. What's my record here? I think you have three losses.

Yeah, you're nine and three going into week 13. And just a note on these episodes. Sometimes for the Twitch finale, I'll just hit all the finales. But I figured we got the extra week this season. So some of these episode 13s are finales. Some of these episode 13s are the episode before the finale. So it's whatever you get. And I can give you the seasons that we have now.

We have Survivor Thailand. We have Guatemala. Had to hit Guatemala for the last week of the year. Heroes versus villains. We have 43, 46, and the mystery boxes. Back in the game, baby. And these are all episode 13s. And as Jordan was telling us earlier,

that the new era finales, but era not finales that is correct okay yes there are some episode 13s in the old era that are finales but i didn't end up using any of them for this quiz okay joey you're the guest you get to pick first great i've got my notepad here i'm an auditor by day and so i will be able to check any bad kalish very good this is much needed we need the auditor yeah absolutely i'll sign off so i'm going to you know what i don't back down from a challenge give me the mystery box all right go to the mystery box wow what a what an unprecedented move to go to the mystery box first now that's how you do it on twitch it is i love it i love coming out with that with uh with uh some fire here what was the first season in survivor history in which a player was idled out of the game and just

for clarification purposes uh idled out means that an idol was played negating the votes against the person with the highest total resulting in the person with the next highest total being voted out so to clarify the question that the idol was played and the person who had received the plurality of votes did not go home they were the idol was successfully used the idol it was a successful successful idol play um and yes the person with the with the the highest total after that person was voted out and you just need you need the season so i'm going to talk this out and just just so my brain is continually flowing guatemala the idol, but that was a before the vote idol. Panama and Cook Islands was the super idol that Terry and Yul had.

So it's got to be Fiji. Final answer. So Survivor Fiji, there was somebody voted out at the idol because of the idol. Sorry. And that person was Stacy Kimball. But was this the first time it was? Joey, you get two points. Very good. Stacy Kimball voted out. It would have been a yell man who got four votes at that tribal. So that was the first time in Survivor history that that happened. Rob, we are going to our next season, which where would you like to take us?

I'm going to go to 46. Okay, 46. Last season, the final tribal council voting is mostly memorable due to Maria's vote for Kenzie to win the game over Charlie. Yeah.

Charlie did, however, receive three votes. One came from Mayor of Ponderosa Soda. Who cast the other two votes for Charlie? You need both players. Okay. I don't know how much I want to talk it through because I feel like I could

misfire. okay I think I think I've done it okay all right not going to use multiple choice I'm going to say for two points that it was Liz and Hunter, Liz and Hunter.

So I will say that Liz and Hunter is correct. Very good. Charlie, even though he didn't win the game doing, doing fine is, is on the, the on fire podcast. And he also hosted the Rutgers

university event that I was doing when you saw him, he did a very good job hosting. Uh, he's, he seems like he's, he's doing great. I know he's, uh, he's, he's a lawyer now. And, uh, and, and he's, he gets to host these events at Rutgers, which was, uh, which was a lot of fun. Uh, so Rob, you get two points. I also, uh, that was not, not easy. Uh, when easy. When we go to one season ago, I can't go too easy because it just happened. But yeah, Hunter and Liz were the two votes on top of Sodas who voted for Charlie.

Joey, where are we going? Let's stay in the new era. We'll go 43. Okay, 43. Who won the final five word scramble, giving this player an advantage in the upcoming immunity challenge? This is the person who won the advantage. Yes. Before. Okay.

So I remember that Owen wins the challenge. I'm trying to remember, does that mean he had the advantage or was there an upset? I remember there was like a, like a, not a Yao man type scramble for the advantage, but some sort of scuffle. I'm going to say it wasn't Owen. I'm going to say Carla had the advantage. I seem to

remember her getting in a tiff with Owen, but that might've been a dream I had. All right. So are you in a dream or are you in reality? You are correct, sir. That is correct. Uh, and Carla does get voted out there, but she did have an advantage that, uh, unfortunately did not help her win that challenge. You were correct. Owen did win the final five challenge. So, Joey, you have a perfect four points so far. Rob is at two points, but the next question is his. Rob, we can either go to Thailand, Guatemala, or Heroes vs. Villains. Okay, might be making a big mistake, but I will go to Thailand.

All right, all the way back to Thailand. Who lost the car challenge due to spelling out Rayad trip instead of road trip, giving another player an opportunity to win the Chevy Trailblazer? So I believe it was Brian who spelt Rayad trip. So he might have lost the challenge, but he did win the game. He was not car cursed, uh, because of this third, there's some speculation on Reddit that he did it on purpose. I don't think so. I think he just messed up the puzzle, but Rob, you are correct. You have two more points. We are tied four to four going into the last two questions, meaning that we might be headed to another tiebreaker on this week in survivoror history, which I do have prepared if we get there.

Okay. We are going now either to Guatemala or Heroes vs. Villains. Joey, it is your choice. You know, I've heard to go with your gut. I'm going to go season, only season I've seen a couple times, Heroes vs. Villains. Okay. Heroes vs. Villains. You went with your gut, not your guat uh paired

with their sibling which contestant won the loved ones challenge in which players had to toss cash and pour water using buckets okay this is the challenge that colby yells at his brother i am not confident off the top of my head. So I am trying to game out if I think it would be better to gamble or play it safe. I've said from jump, I'm not afraid of a challenge. So I'm just going to go for it. For some reason. For some reason, I want to say Jerry.

Jerry Manthe. You know, they say mama didn't raise no B. Well, mama didn't raise no Joey. That is correct. I don't know what that meant, but I just said, mama didn't raise no Joey. Uh, that is correct. I don't know what that meant, but I just said, but Jerry is the correct answer. She did raise a Joey, but she didn't raise no B. Uh, so Joe, you get the answer, the question, the question, right? You have six points. Uh, yeah, this was the, the dammit read. Uh, so Colby was competing with,

uh, with his sibling. I believe he was the only player who did compete with the sibling in this one. Jerry wins and takes Parvati and Sandra with her on the reward. So, Rob, you need a two-pointer here in order to tie it up and continue this game. We're going to Guatemala, a perfect place to end Twitch for the season, unless we end up going to the tiebreaker. Cindy may have not given cars to the rest of her tribe, but she did give one, uh,

what she did give one of her fellow players shotgun on the way to their overnight barbecue. Who did Cindy bring with her on this reward? Uh, this is going to be a complete yes for me here um i think judd had already gone home uh i have nothing to lose so uh i don't think it was lydia could have been stephanie could have been danny Could have been Rafe. I'm going to guess that everybody loves Rafe.

I'm going to say Rafe. Everybody loves Rafe. A lot of people think that Rafe would have been the winner if he had gone to the end. He is a winner in life, but he was not the winner of this reward. She took Stephanie. Stephanie sat shotgun in her car that she could have given to everybody else. But Joey, you win the game. Well, actually, I guess I could have given you the bonus point there, but it doesn't matter

because you mathematically won. So Stephanie is the correct answer. And Joey, you were the winner of Twitch. You know, I would have guessed Danny. And so, and I guess Jerry was a complete guess for me. So yeah. Tough questions from Giorno in the Trish finale. Yeah, this was not easy.

I will say that. Come back next season with easier questions. I mean, you were not nine and four, but very respectable, respectable total. What we wouldn't give to be nine and four. Can't go too easy. But yeah, this is an episode, very interesting, where Cindyy gets voted out and i think big mistake to vote uh cindy out where they they could have had danny here or or uh or even rave here but uh yeah cindy cindy goes

out i think people were kind of mad about the car and also she was already in the minority so all right we're all winners here on twitch because we all get to do the final verbal rebus of the season. Here we go. This player. Oh, born ready. This is my. I stan verbal rebus. Wow.

I'm the cheerleader in the Discord or wherever. I got your back, Jordan, on this. This is the shirt that we need to do, Rob. I stan the verbal rebus. I can picture it now. And I think there should be a little rebus element. I'm pitching this. I'm going to go to Sam. I'm going to make sure this happens. This

player melted wax at tribal council in order to access her idol. Minus the first syllable of the blue tribe from Survivor Guatemala. Ooh. The one that's not Nakum. Let's make it easy here. So it's the other pre-mer blue tribe from Survivor Guatemala. Ooh. The one that's not Nakum. Let's make it easy here.

So it's the other pre-merge tribe from Guatemala. The first syllable of the tribe that's not Nakum. Okay. Plus, the player who coined the name of the Brochacho Alliance on David vs. Goliath. Minus, this player won Survivor Vanuatu and immediately dropped an F bomb on

live TV. Plus during the Blair, which projects challenge of survivor Borneo, Rudy consistently repeated the phrase. I don't blank plus the first letter of the name of the only finalist to cast the deciding tie vote for the winner. So a very wordy,

a verbal rebus here. What's that last one again? The first letter of the name of the only finalist to cast the deciding tie vote for the winner. So third place finalists who cast the deciding vote. All right. So let's, let's take it step by step here who was the player that melted the wax at tribal sabaya sabaya yeah okay mine is the first syllable of the blue tribe on guatemala yeah yeah so we have to buy yeah it's your shot but it's yeah yeah is the first syllable uh the player who coined the name of the bro chacho alliance christian christian minus the winner

of vanuatu who dropped an f-bomb chris chris uh the phrase that rudy said in the blair rich project i don't blank no yeah the first letter of the name of the finalist that casts the deciding vote for the winner l who do we have um i think you're trying to get to sebastian noel but i don't think we get there it was it is so you had sabaya yeah minus ya so sabby sabba sabba sabba Sebastian. It's like if you say, I was thinking about this. Minus Chris. Sebastian. Sebastian. Sebastian. It's like if you say Sebastian. It's like if you say Sebastian with an accent, like a Scottish accent potentially.

This is the worst one yet. Sebastian. Not even close. I was also convinced John Hennigan did bro chachos, and so i got completely lost part way through there but you know somebody is to be 10 sabby 10 Sebastian Sebastian Sebastian hello Sebastian like i could see it like are you australian i could not not really but i i i think in this verbal rebus i sort of was yeah okay yeah real stretch i i knew it was a stretch when i was ready but i but i want but there's we're getting we're like running out of verbal rebus people there's not a lot of people I sort of was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Real stretch. I knew it was a stretch when I was writing, but I, but I won't,

but there's, we're getting, we're like running out of verbal rebus people. There's not, not a lot of people with, with so many syllables and I don't think we've ever done. So I get the whole winter break to think more about it. Okay.

Jordan, you have a new year's resolution. My new year's resolution is to, to not be so openly hateful to any players who may have left the Yankees. I will be thinking it. I will be rooting for things in my head, but I won't be posting them on Twitter.

I won't be tweeting about them or blue-skying about them. Yeah, I don't want to get myself canceled because of baseball. So that's my New Year's resolution. My other New Year's resolution is when there is such a big stretch for the verbal rebus to lean in even further, baby. Keep doing the big stretches because guess what?

It gets people talking. Gets people talking. Okay. I guess that's the world of 2024 and 2025. So thank you so much for your hard work all season, Jordan Kalish. Joey, anything you want to tell people to check out? I mean, you could find me on Instagram. If you are interested in a 30 year old Nebraskan CPA.

Okay. What are you posting about? Mostly my two year old daughter. Okay. So, um, yeah, I absolutely girl dad, hashtag girl dad. That's, that's what I was meant to do. Okay. Um, and, I absolutely girl, dad, hashtag girl, dad. That's what I was meant to do. Okay. Um, and play Twitch and play Twitch. Apparently take a shot in the dark and do well. I was just hoping not to get shut out.

Yeah. And we should make everybody give away their shot in the darks before their shots in the dark shots in the dark. I'm I'm I'm team shots in the dark. in the dark i'm i'm team shots in the dark yeah okay all right thank everybody for uh checking out twish all season long we will still have exit interviews after the finale by my count for exit interviews uh still to come here on our exit interview podcast so hope you uh join us for that plus survivor know-it-all is coming up on thursday make sure you don't miss any of the fun when you're subscribed to our podcast.

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