RHAP: We Know Survivor - Feed Drop: Survivor 49 Ep 6 Patron Q&A

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

The Survivor Q&A is back for Survivor 49! Each week, patrons can call in to chat with Rob Cesternino about everything going on in the latest episode of Survivor. This week, in a special feed drop, the public gets a peek behind the curtain of the Patron Q&A!

Hey, everybody. Rob here, getting ready for a little bit of a patron feed drop. This is our patron Q&A. I think this was the longest one we did of the whole season. This is what I do every Friday. I take phone calls, video calls from our patrons, where they ask me questions about all sorts of survivor things, mostly from this episode that we do. just saw. That's what we do. And it's a lot of fun. I love getting the chance to chat with all the patrons and answer all of the interesting strategic questions.com from the RHAP community. So if you like what you hear and are interested in checking it out, head on Oprah's website.com slash patron. This is one of the many perks we have for our patrons and hope you enjoy this feed drop of the patron Q&A. Hey everybody. What's going on? Rob Sisternino back with you for the patron And it's Halloween edition. We're going to be taking questions from the patrons here today.

And I said last week, if you're wearing a costume, I'll pick you up first. I'm giving preferential treatment to anybody in a costume. Me, I'm Count Podula. Ooh, very spooky. I have so many costumes around from, I'm a regular Mike Bloom now from the RHAP traders that we've done. I don't even know if I ever wore this in any R-H-A-P traders, but I'm like, I'm boom, I'm Survivor Devil, a throwback.

Okay, so many things to talk about here after we have finished the premurge, we thank for Survivor 49. We're here to talk about it all with you after a fun couple of podcasts, talking about everything from where we are, where, dare I say, business has started to pick up here in Survivor 49. And so we'll talk about it all here with you. And I will see so many of you coming up this week as, believe it or not, I don't know if I'm still over New York yet, but I am going back on the road to San Francisco coming up. And I'll be flying Monday night as we get ready after a busy Halloween weekend. Let me welcome in here with us. It's Derek, Derek, our patron experience manager. Here he is Cowboy Derek. Yehah. a TGIF everyone TGIF. That's right. Derek, what's going on? You ready for San Francisco? I'm very ready. I'm very excited. Derek's driving to San Francisco. I will be doing a little road

trip. It's going to be going to have a lot of time to catch up on podcasts and behind on. It's very exciting. I really liked this week's Survivor episode. Rob, do you think that they hid Sophie the entire beginning of the season just so that she could have her coming out this week to say, I'm the new Sophie with Alex. No, I don't think so. Interesting theory. To me, it almost felt like a bit. Yeah, I could see that.

I saw a fun tweet on the Sophie now of the, what is it, Captain, what was it, Captain Phillips? I miss the tweet. I haven't been on the Twitter in a while. What is it? Okay. Anyway, so Derek, what's on your mind? We have two, there's a lot of patron events going on next week, and I want to shout out two things that were just added to the patron calendar. This is a choose your own adventure, so don't get overwhelmed.

I know we have a lot of options. Yeah, I have to figure out my calendar for Tuesday in San Francisco. Yeah, well, and there are some things that, you know, should I stay in my hotel room and podcast all day, or should I venture out? Yeah, yeah, whatever you want to do, Rob. Okay. The world is your oysters. Okay, they pull them up, is what they say. Pull them up or bag them up.

What do you want? Pull them up or bag them up. That's an amazing race right there. But yeah, we have a patron reached out who is working on the national tour for the Stereophonic show and can help patrons get some discounted tickets. If you're interested in that, just check out the calendar of events, let Amy know. And then Miles Nye is going to be doing some games on Tuesday before the patron event. that was just added to the calendar.

So check out the Discord or the calendar for information on those things. And otherwise, I'm going to be all over the place and I'm looking forward to seeing people next week in San Fran. Okay. All right. Derek, great job. We'll see you soon.

Okay. Okay. Happy Friday, everyone. Okay, take care. Bye. All right. Thank you, Derek. Okay, let's go to, let's pick up some of our costumed players.

And let's start with, let's go to May. May, so spooky. I don't know if you can hear me, Rob. I can hear you, yes. Okay. Well, I'm in a trader's mood. Yes, okay. Yeah, you need to paint that gold, but that is like very traders adjacent.

Yes, gold or silver, depending on the franchise. Mm-hmm. Yeah. How's it going, Rob? It's going well. Why? Do you want to talk about one of the international seasons of the traders? Oh, I mean, this is a survivor pod.

So, you know. This is a survivor pod. Yeah. I am myself, I've been doing a good job of keeping up with all of my international traders, alumni with, for the most part, but I tend to catch up over the weekend. So I am behind on, I hear it has been a fun week of traders across the world, but I have not caught up yet on all the episode seven and eight from Celebrity UK and episode two from Canada.

Yeah, I'm an early riser, so I get on it pretty quickly. Yes, I love that for you. Yeah. I did see the episode this week, and this is all my second time calling in, but I wanted to let you know I got back into Survivor because of the diversity initiative. And I actually went back and we watched a lot of the podcast from that time. And, you know, I think Bryce and Wend did a lot of work doing that. And it struck me, you know, seeing the shakeup back to three tribes. I was like, Joanne, Joanne's the only black guy.

so we had a moment of like it better not be juan just it just doesn't look right so i mean i'm thankful for the shannon and sage kind of situation um but that was in the back of my head when i saw um how things shook out yeah well you know uh thank you for the for the compliment on uh you know way back when um you know i think i you know did a lot of podcasts uh Bryce and Wendell were part of people that actually were doing work and talking with the show. And so, look, I think that it's okay if, I mean, I think that we had that all the black players made the merge or made the jury for the first time ever in a season, like, hey, sometimes the black people are going to get voted out.

I mean, they're on the show. It's, you know, I don't think that it would be an issue of Joanne being targeted. I don't know what's in the hearts of the players. but look, I think it's, we're going to, like, level the playing field and then let them play. Yeah. I mean, at least he's there, which is awesome. I mean, don't bring up the merge with Bryce. I mean, they always bring up that, you know, he's never seen the merge, but, you know.

But, yeah, that's just something that we thought of. My partner and I watch sometimes together. I sometimes tell him to be quiet because he, you know, stresses me out because I have to explain so much, but it's okay. the diversity initiative is also happening in my home yeah okay all right anything else going on may i'm just getting ready for trick-or-treating this is my uh my costume for this for this pod but i have a a family friendly one also oh okay this is family this is my daniel tiger um reveal yes okay well as a o g mr rogers stand i approve anything daniel tiger yeah same here well thanks rob

have a great evening and have a great night of calls okay Okay, thanks, mate. Bye. Okay. Let's go to, let's see. Let's see. Elisa looks like she's going to cost you. Okay.

Elisa, how are you? I'm doing great. Hold on. There's one more piece of the, so this piece of bread is part of the costume as well. Yes. Rob, for the record, I don't think you would know what I am at all. so I'm just going to... Yeah, I was going to say that is...

What is this? Okay, so for the unassuming, you probably just think I'm like trying to cosplay or appropriate as a French person would bring. But there is a very specific video game called Expedition 33 and I am a character named Lune who this video game, everyone has a costume where they basically wear this and they wear

and they hold bread and that's what I end today. So. And this is one of your favorite games, Expedition 33? This is not the hottest take, but this is the best game of 2025, Rob. What do you play on? The best game of 2025. I'm playing on PlayStation. PlayStation.

Okay. Yes. This is absolutely blows everything out of the water. One of the best RPGs I've ever played. Okay. Could I be getting Dominic and Anthony to play it? Oh, boy. They would not.

I don't think they would enjoy this until. Too complicated? but I just think they won't enjoy this plot until maybe Dominic reaches high school Okay Yeah this is a There's definitely some serious

A lot more serious elements to this That that would not I don't know Just would not be for just young kids Yeah I could get into a game If I felt like that it was something That had like a plot in a story

They're just like stealing the brain rot And I don't like that It's very boring to watch that I know they're well and understandably you know just with their age they I think that RPGs and in general aren't necessarily popular amongst their group they want to play with each other they just want to do the six seven they just want you know they just want to do all of the brain rock stuff but I think in their learning in their indoctrination of video games when they start really getting into plots and storylines

I feel like that's when that's what happens in high school when who knows maybe dominic's going to get into Zelda or get into more of these RPGs. Maybe I'll try to see if I can push that on them. They're always talking about admin abuse. Do you know what that is? You ever hear about that? Oh, man, what does that even mean? I'm scared to know what that means.

It seems like they get a lot of free brain rot when there's admin abuse and then they crash out if we have to do anything. It's like, it's like, it's admin abuse. Oh, my gosh. I don't like this talk of admin abuse. Yes. Wow. I've never heard of that before.

And I don't think I ever want to be called that when I'm playing. I'm playing a game with people. Yeah. Anthony is complaining that admin abuse tomorrow is like at 5 a.m. because of people in Australia. I'm like, well, we're not waking up at 5 a.m. on a Saturday to do admin abuse. For sure. This is why I don't play with, this is why I don't play with friends.

This is why I play video games by myself. Okay. But what do you want to talk about, Elisa? Okay. So we come see you in person. Yes, before you come next week. So I have just two quick thoughts. Um, first thought is merge boot.

I unfortunately feel like, even though I love this character, I think the merge boot's going to be Joanne and I'm curious who you're predicting, who you're predicting to be the merge boot. Murch boot going to be Jawan. Interesting. Um, I think I made my unofficial prediction. It's so interesting. I really, I was talking about this with Marianne, fun podcast with Marianne.

I think that's we are headed towards potentially like a Kagi on. merge where that we could have these two big sides and I don't know I had a bold take that I feel like could it be Nate that's interesting because Nate was set up in such a way where he because he wasn't being truthful to Sophie and Alex they were clocking that and I don't think and I as a person who loves Nate I don't I agree that he didn't play his card well in the tribe swap the only thing why do you feel like he didn't play his card well i think that it's okay it's okay for him to lie because obviously you want to just make sure the that you're in with this new tribe that you're swapping with but i think i think that it was a it's kind of it's a little bit too obvious if two yellow people

are voted out it it's just you can't there what how else are you going to word that like if if i think obviously it is red versus yellow, but if he was just honest, yeah, I mean, he was just the last, you know, he was just kind of the last yellow. Right. Are we buying that where Nate's like, oh man, I wanted to keep Jason, a freaking risk God is running everything. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I think he's so good that kid. I think up to that point. He's our leader. He's our leader. I think a better play, although I, you know, I don't know what the dynamic is. especially because Christine, you know, Christine and Sophie seem to also have a little bit of a beef

of just who's the decoy and who's not. I think the better play would have been being honest, but then what Nate said is Nate said, hey, Matt was targeting me, therefore I had no choice but to vote him out. If he put someone else under the bus from Red of just like, you know, just this was the target,

Savannah said this. And then it, it's like Nate is being someone, truthful but then he also threw someone else's red name on like you know under the bus and I but we'll see what happens yeah okay yeah and and then also my last point just because I know Bobby is called in so Bobby a couple weeks ago he called in and he said that I actually I'm saying Bobby and I might have this might not be the right person but he said I think what Bobby said was Sophie B is not going to win Survivor.

Yes, he did not like the move that was made by Sophie B when she sided with Alex instead of... Got it. Bobby, is this accurate? Yes, okay. Okay, so I couldn't be on the podcast that episode, but I remember just listening to that episode thinking, oh my God, but Sophie is totally going to win Survivor.

I don't know what Bobby's talking. She has knowledge of power. has the knowledge is power now i don't see what's going you know i don't see what's going to happen but then along with having the knowledge of power i hate to say it but after this week's episode i i have to somewhat agree with bobby oh i know so now i've turned a new leaf for bobby i've now turned a new leaf that i agree with bobby and the only reason even though she has the knowledge of power is i think that sophy for sure is going to make it far because I think the Savannah and Riz God alliance is pretty is is going to be visible and Savannah and Riz are going to be more visible than Sophie so I think they're going to be very

visible I think for a while super visible but Sophie is number four basically to to Savannah Nate and Riz God so I so I don't doubt that she's going to make it far but I but at the same time I I doubt Sophie and Alex are going to meet back up I don't think it's going to be a Malcolm and Denise situation. I think they've chosen their tribe lines. And I think also, I just don't see as long as she plays the knowledge as power correctly, that is a move. But I don't know. I just edit wise, I just think a lot of her, she's not, she's more behind the scenes and just, I don't see her making the move, I guess. See, I think that there is a scenario. I think that Nate is a person I think could go home. But I do think that if it ends up working

out for Uli where an Uli person doesn't go home, I think it will be because Sophie B pulls Alex over and it's like, hey, I've got a good thing going on over here. Trust me, maybe she even tells him that she has knowledge as power. Maybe she, like, shows like, you're the only person I'm showing this. You're my number one. Come with me. Like, we're going to take over this whole thing. I've got knowledge of power.

We'll steal this idol. And he's like, okay, that sounds good. Like, he doesn't have a number one. Like, he just seems like he goes along with whatever. Yeah, what's nice about Alex is, is he's ingratiated himself in a fluid way where everyone seems to like him. Likeable guy. Super likable guy. And I, and I, yeah, it's just interesting because even though Alex and Sophie are the last two standing and they have, they'll have that kinship no matter what, they were also targeting each other.

Yeah. So I just don't know if they're just completely. I don't think Alex was ever targeting Sophie, but, you know, Sophie, what, and I don't think that Alex knows Sophie B would have targeted him if he didn't play his idol. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But yeah, I, yeah, I just think Sophie's probably like a fifth placeer. I don't, I don't know if she's going to make it to the end.

All right. Well, Elisa, I will see you soon, okay? I will see you soon, Rob. I hope you have a great Halloween. Thank you so much. Okay. All right. Bye.

Okay. All right. Let's get to Angie. Angie How are you? Good, how are you? I'm good. Dressed up for Halloween at work.

Yes, okay. You have seen, are you have a Wicked Witch hand? Yes. Yes. Elfaba. Okay. I can't do my face

because I think that will be too much. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot for the office. Yeah, it's a lot. Okay. Yeah, I'm doing pretty well. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I work with seniors and they love it. They love it. Yes. Okay. So what's on your mind? Yeah, they do. Well, first of all, I'm happy with finally getting satisfied on Wednesday with I repeated that thing like many times. Yeah, and I saved it so I can enjoy it later in life too. But no, it was good. I'm so happy with how it ended up turned it out. So I guess it was worse edge.

I'm happy it reached a satisfying conclusion. Yes. But it was really good. But I do agree with you that, I mean, I don't know if you did mention this, but with Stephen, he said that, like, it seemed like Shannon was very genuine with, like, she wanted to work with Sage. But I don't think it was really genuine. Like, I feel like Savannah was the number one. Yes, it seemed like that when there were other options, okay, I don't want to work with Sage so much. And then when it was then, okay, this now is more conducive to working with Sage. Yes, I want to work with Sage.

So I do feel like that Shannon's, you know, what Shannon's motivations are does seem to be something that is a little flexible. Yes, that's what I thought. And I, like a chameleon almost, like mystique or something. Like she can blend very nicely. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. For Mrs.

Jerry O'Connell. Yes. But I'm. What's that? Mrs. Jerry O'Connell. Oh, yeah. That's true.

I forgot. Yeah. Yeah. But I definitely agree with that. and I'm happy the stage it and I think it was a good move like I mean because again like

Shannon was too you know in with so many groups like she can right and I'm likable in some way but I'm glad that Sage caught onto her and then got her out and I think it puts her in a good position

personally because I think she's still a lone wolf in some way she said I'm a wolf baby could be like yeah she could be like the the allegation Buebler person, but a likable one, sorry, but she, I mean, if that's their only move and

she still gets to win, I would actually be happy with that one compared to like Gabbler, but yeah, that's my point. But it was a good start for Sage. I don't think Sage is going to win, but I think that she's going to be a memorable character. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And now I'm like, okay, I'll go watch your blackheads if you still have them. I'll look at that jar.

Okay. But, okay, that's pretty much good. I have to run back to work or fly back to work. All right, take care. Okay. Okay. Bye. Yeah, do you think that Sage will do cameos and show the jar of like blackheads on cameo?

Okay. I don't know. Let's see. Who else is here? Okay. Let me go to Nathan H. Looks like he's wearing an uncomfortable mask. Nathan.

Hello. Nathan. Yes. The Blue Ranger. Yes, 90s throwback Yes How are you? Good, first time calling in

So glad to make it in Yes, okay, well thank you for putting in the effort Of wearing the costume Yeah, and excited to have you here In SF next week, so excited I saw on Patreon that we posted a We made a post of Here's everything you need to learn

About coming to San Fran And people were up in arms Like, do not call it soon, friend. We don't do that. Yeah. S.F. is usually the preferred. Yes. I hope. Derek, have we changed that? Have we fixed it yet? Due to the mass outrage from the patrons, patrons unsubscribing in mass? Yeah. Okay. So, all right, we'll work on that. We won't call it that.

But yeah, main question I had for you, I was thinking during, leading up to the tribal, where Sage went back to Joanne, and I got very nervous that Joanne was not going to believe Sage that Shannon was targeting him, right? With just having Stephen and Sage, they could have taken out Shannon without bringing Joanne and going back. So I'm just curious your thoughts there, right? And then obviously he would see that Shannon voted for him, right?

And like, I protected you versus potentially ruining that blind side. Yes. Okay, so could you just repeat for me? Like, I understand what's the question? I guess I'm curious. Like, did you see that risk at all? And like, would you have taken that option to just go with Stephen, potentially blindsying Jawan, but then kind of saying, hey, like, she was targeting you.

I just wasn't sure if you was believed it. So are we're letting Jawan vote for Stephen? Yes. What's in it for Stephen to do this? Fair. I mean, he would have the ability, but he also saw Shannon on the previous tribe as well. like he knew she's a sharp and still kind of saving him. I just, I don't think that Sage is that type of player where it's that she is thinking

about it like, okay, well, like let's put our two votes here and we'll let her vote there and then this other vote will go there. And then like she's like with all due respect to Sage, I just don't think that she's somebody who is like playing the mastermind game. I think that she is somebody who cares deeply about relationships and is like, hey, this is a chance to, you know, be cards up with Joanne, win over his trust, continue to build this bond with Stephen that she had from when she swapped to that tribe. So I think that that is a move that somebody could have made, but I don't think that

that's a move that Sage is going to make. Fair. Yeah. Based off the edit, I didn't think they were going to flip it back on Sage, but that was my worry in the lead at that it could have just back on. But I really do think that the interesting question to ask was had Shannon stuck with, no, Stephen has to go. It's all about Uli. Would Jawan have said, hey, listen, I got to stick with the numbers. I'm going to like, listen, Savannah is going to be so mad at me if I don't vote with

Uli on this vote. I don't want her to yell at me again. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, that was my main question, so I just want to check in and we'll see you next week. Okay. Thanks, Nathan. Okay. Thanks. Bye. All right. Let's go and say hi to, I know Bobby's been waiting so patiently. Bobby, how are you? Hi, Rob. Bunny Bobby. I guess, yeah. I was told to get a costume.

Yes. I found these. Yes. Okay. You know what? This must be not that fun for you because Bobby's what I said. Everybody else is like, oh, Halloween, I get to wear a costume. Bobby's like, I wear a costume, 365 days out of the year.

Let me live. Every day, I know. This is actually my favorite day. I go, I asked, I'm on like the committee to do events. for our team and everything. And I, the Halloween roast, I cook the Halloween hot dogs for the whole parades team and it's like hundreds and hundreds of hot dogs.

But it's so fun, I get to grill and I get to kick all the men off and they're like, you don't know how to use a grill. And I'm like, I do, get away from me. You're a grill master. Yeah, and everyone comes up to me and they're like, you look so good grilling. And I'm like, thanks.

Do you have a special costume you wear at the grill? No, I'm wearing my Dead Walt Society 2020. two shirt um with my little dead walt skeleton mickey okay all right that's that's it bobby we digress let's talk about the survivor yeah i thought exciting episode i um and like back in i like didn't even finish the jason episode i thought it was so bad i was just like so we're fickle you know okay i'm fickle but as the season goes on i'm feeling more towards the characters and that's the most important thing to me is I just want to have an emotional reaction every yeah the stage and Shannon's story was really really good it just was like to me it was everything that survivor

should be about of that yeah here are two people who they do not get along let's watch them try to coexist yes I think that's so funny I just started a Borneo rewatch and so I Romona just went home. I'm like, I haven't watched this and I don't even know how many years. Uh, but it's just, it's fascinating to hear like the word alliance for the first time on episode four, uh, versus like, this was not an

overgamy move, but I don't think this was a bad move for Sage at all. You're getting rid of someone who clearly doesn't respect you before the jury starts. I'm like, oh, joys, good choices. People making mistakes. I loved um, the conversation kind of was on Purple Pants podcast about like

Sophie and how she should kind of expect to be the decoy name even though that came up because she was the only white person there and I thought that was kind of interesting I wanted to see a little bit more there and I'm just so excited for what is going to come and I just can't believe I'm even saying that yeah that's interesting to me I boiled that down into like yeah I haven't thought that through um you know but but I don't know again maybe that's my naivete I would think like original tribe lines trump well they had Alex so it's a two one one it's just a little bit it's not as easy to do the three one maybe a got a interesting conversation yeah i mean

i just don't i don't know what like uh that to me was like i mean i would think that the guy who we don't that we didn't start with would be the more obvious um decoy vote but i'd have to listen to that conversation to you know get all of the particulars yeah i liked uh Bryce kind of just like threw it out there as like is this an obvious in this quick pace game like is that something that you can default to and should you be afraid if people are defaulting to i just thought that was really interesting um i don't know if this makes sense i want to get a little bit more thorough but i feel like the reason i said i don't think sophie's going to win is i don't think uh what she's doing in the game is going to matter. And I tried to think about how I phrase that. And I think

in my brain, there's like three types of players. There's like the posturers who want to be in the best position possible at all times. There's like infiltrators or like assimilators in my head. It's assimilating. And then there's observers. And so there's like Carolyn was an observer. You can see what's happening. You can narrate to us what's going on. And then like an infiltrator would be like, Denise or Erica from 41 who like maneuvers through and then is celebrated for it I think like 47 was like Sam was not celebrated for assimilating and making it to the end right we we celebrated the posturing and I think this season has a ton of postures which is why Sophie won't get celebrated and receive a vote I think Sophie will be the runner up I feel like it's Savannah Sophie yeah Sophie B

who the hell is the other Sophie what are you talking about um and then stage to me screams Ben Katzman. I don't know. No one's making this to me, but it's just like the person. Who's Ben Katzman? Rock and roll Ben, sage to me.

Yes, okay. Big eyes, the most kissable person on the cast, probably like, I just feel like this gentleness from them. Drop so many takes on us, Bobby.

I'm still trying to figure out how to articulate. The assimilators, the infiltrators, the infiltrators and the observers. Yeah. And I think like I love an observer. I think that's, I think that's why Jenna Maraska's win is so important to me.

Like she always knew what was going on. And it wasn't going to be celebrated until it was truly against an observer who didn't know what was going on. Because Mateo was not assimilating. He was not posturing. No. And even though Jenna did not either really, I think she kind of postured a little bit, but she was less successful. But she knew what her observations were. And it's so rare that observer wins the game.

And I love them. That's the person I'm always drawn to. So I think on that, ruminate on that, explore that idea with people. I'm really curious. You're like absolutely not. But I think I just need to see it written out. I think I need like a, you know, make a YouTube video. I'll figure out.

I'm a visual learner. Yeah. I'll make a PowerPoint if I can learn how to do that. Yes. And so I can tell like the key differentiators of, you know, if I maybe could see you like some better examples, what am I? and my observer. You're a posture.

You're, yeah, you, you have to make the best move at all times or you, like, explode. You can't wait. You're like a tebun. You have to get soda, even though it makes no sense.

Like, because the option is there, I have to get rid of Dina. I have to get rid of Alex. I just think, I didn't have to get rid of Dina. There was, I didn't have a choice. Oh, me!

Yeah. You're telling me, Rob. I couldn't have saved her. Okay. I mean, I could, but it would have been, I would have had to,

to really lose a lot of... Because Jenna was fighting so hard and had so much control. Jenna and Heidi could have thrown the game away. It would have been very hard to save Dina because already she had Alex, Jenna, and Heidi all going against her. Plus, Matt and Butch, I think also at that point. So there just weren't enough other votes of people that wanted to keep Dina at that point. All right.

After my Borneo rewatch, I'll do another. Yeah, rewatch. Tell me if I could have saved Dina. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. Okay. I could have saved Alex.

Alex, I could say. Yeah, you're probably going to say no. Okay. All right. Bye, Rob. All right. Let's go to, okay. Liss appears to have face paint.

Let's go to Liss. Okay. Are you a juggalo? I am. Yes. Okay. You know me so well. Yes.

Okay. Is this just a costume or are you a true juggalo? Juggalo. Well, this is my, this is my makeup that I do every time. Yes. Every year or every time you go see the ICP. Anytime, I, this is so bad. I haven't been to a concert.

My husband has been. Okay. But I haven't. Are they still active? The ICP. Yeah. Yeah. I asked them if he wanted to drive to Des Moines, Iowa to see them.

And he was like, hell no. Wow. I'm not going to Iowa. But they've got a real community. The ICP. Yeah. They are a true posse. Family.

It's a real family. It's a real family. Okay. All right. No. Liz, what's happening? Not much. Just wanted to say, hey, because, like, I have the makeup.

Might as well call in. Right. Because we have people coming over. So one thing I did have an observation from my husband, this was the first time. this whole season that he's yelled at the TV. Why? And he was like, bad yell. And it was, sorry, is this like crappy?

It was at Brzo. And he was like, he was like, how does this guy not understand how flippers work? And then why is he not walking backwards? And then why is he not doing this? And oh my God, now he took him off. He's not going to have any, like, flip-hability of, like. Is your husband a snorkeler? Oh, my God.

He is so definitely. afraid of the like open water so we go i'm yes we have snorkel gear we do not go scuba diving but he is not a fan like if he can't touch okay so he's done it but he doesn't like it yeah he does it like he takes one for the team and does it for the family okay if the kid if my 10 year old daughter can do it like i guess i can jump off this boat i have to be honest i don't think i would know how to use the fins or the snorkel equipment. I did get scuba certified when I lost on Survivor All-Stars. I went for scuba certification with Tina and Rudy and Richard Hatch.

And Richard Hatch would scuba dive naked, which was a lot. And so I did get certified, but I don't remember wearing big flippers. I don't think that was part of scuba. Well, I mean, it helps, I think, like, I'm not like an huge. ocean swimmer but I think just in any current having that fin just like will give you more power you're not going to be as tired but if you don't understand how to use them like you're just going to wear yourself out yeah if they aren't fitting right but I mean it just I hope to see like the episode after them the devil shoes where are my shoes I'm the devil I have little

hobbit feet so they're like fat and like I need like bigger ones and then they don't fit right. So I totally understand. They are the double shoes. They are the double shoes. Okay. Well, enjoy your Halloween. My husband's making loaded baked potato soup.

Sorry, you're all missing out. Oh, okay. That sounds fun. What is that? Is that like a crock pot? No, he does like a big stock pot thing on the stove. It's like eight pounds of potatoes and a couple bags of carrots and celery and like hot sauce and cooks it for hours and friends come over. It's fun. Yeah, it sounds like you really enjoy it.

Yeah. Yeah. We have fun. Okay. All right. Well, happy Halloween. Okay. Happy Halloween. Take care. Bye. Okay. All right. Where are my other costumes here? Okay. Look at Mel Hooker. Mel. Yeah, you're me? Are you me? Yeah, obviously. You're me on the night that. that Caitlin couldn't put the puzzle together? Yes! Yeah. What's your beard?

What is that? Tape? It's honestly, bro. So I don't have any makeup, really. So I was, when I do one thing is I just wear fake eyelashes because like when you sweat, those can't fall off. So at first I tried like the eyelash black.

It's like magnetic glue. And then it was like it was starting to peel off my face. So I'm not kidding. This is just watercolor. marker. Oh, you drew marker? Yeah, it's marker. I hope it comes off because I got a baptism tomorrow that I got a photograph. So, oh, Mel, do you have a five o'clock shadow? Literally, like, I was like trying to like, I was like, oh, I wish I had like any type of makeup so I could like pat, you know, some black stuff maybe like, I don't know. But yeah, so this is what I, I mean,

this is this was an off the cuff. I even got my little microphone here. Yeah, pretty good. It's a stock, you know. Mm-hmm. You know. What do you mean you hate RJ or I hate RJP Halloween? What do you mean you're Rob calling in from the darkest timeline? I mean, that's literally what I was like, what is the most stupid? So my question is for the people that are newer like me, it may not have been there.

Can you explain the dark? What happened? Why did you dress like this? This is like my normal debt up. So I loved Caitlin in Big Brother 20. And I thought that she was so fun. and she made the show so exciting and I thought that she was such good TV

and fun feeds and all of the things and then she was going she was on the block and I think it was Sam's H-O-H and she was on the block and of course famously I don't know if Taryn talks about this in Behind the Mirror

she Or years now and your Manta's sleep mask right so she had the she got evicted, but there was like a power in the house where whoever was going to get evicted was going to get the chance to come

back in. And so that she got set up with, production obviously wanted to keep her. They had like the easiest puzzle in the world to do. It was a puzzle literally of herself. It was a six piece puzzle and she just like, just

like brain fart could not put the puzzle back together and she was gone. Do you be six piece? I might have been seven, six, seven. Several. It was several. Yeah.

Yeah. And she couldn't do it. She had like three minutes. That sounds terrible. Yeah. Yeah. And I was so mad. I was like, we were like, don't worry.

Caitlin's getting evicted, but she'll be back. Don't worry. Don't sweat it. Don't sweat it. And it was like the easiest thing ever. And she biffed it. She biffed it. Man, that sounds terrible.

Well, thank you for. explaining that lore to me. You got it. You got it. And then Caitlin, we got to know her so well outside the podcast too. Well, that's even better.

I mean, you know, what is going on reality TV now, if not to figure out how to make your million if even if you don't win. I may or may not be quoting a Shannon exit interview right there. Oh,

she said that? Oh, she did. So, yes, who did she said that to? I believe that was in the Mike Bloom interview. They say if you don't make the million by winning, you've got to figure out how to make your million the other way.

So it seems like she's figured some things out, you're saying? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Most people that I know that are extremely authentic don't go around talking about how authentic they are, how much they love everyone. She's an entrepreneur. Yeah. Yep, vibes, man. Five vibes. Yes. But yeah

Oh my other Although I am going to a Halloween party And I'm going to be the shark The shark that bit Richard Hatch Oh, I think they're going to be the like And then my husband's going to be Oh well no But my husband's going to be Richard Hatch

Okay With a bite mark on him I mean I tried to find him like all nude clothes You know what I mean And he was like bitch I'm just going to wear regular clothes And you can put paint on your mouth and bite my shirt. And I was like, fine.

Way to not commit. It's next door. Like, get a blanket. Come on. Are they big survivor fans? Will they get the reference? I have no idea, honestly. As they could be, they could not be.

But we'll see what happens. There's only like, it's only going to be like 20 people. Okay. All right. Mel, good luck with washing off my beard. Yes. Yes, sir.

Thank you for the Lord. All right. Happy Halloween. Bye. Okay. Okay. Let me say hello to, let's see

Daniel Daniel coming you live from the turret could be or it could be its original intent was the Lord of the Rings

Hobbit adventurer cloak so but we could adapt we can adapt okay all right happy Halloween thank you Daniel

you too I'm a long time listener first time call a little bit nervous but it's great to be on with you great to be on with you too where are you calling from

from New Jersey so yeah I've been a little bit in the sort of Jordan Kalish, you know, viewing party world a couple times. So, you know, not to name drop, you know. Yes. Okay. Anyway, I was kind of like brainstorming some ideas with a friend last night, just talking about Survivor in its current form. We saw in this like last episode, Jeff was like, it was kind of played for laughs, but like he was kind of gassed out at the end of the challenge

where he was kind of like leaning over and like just like, it was like a little bit of like I've never seen that the show, like acknowledge Jeff's kind of humanity, his vulnerability in that way, and kind of, you know, in the way that he's sort of like getting a little bit a little bit older. And I was like, we've seen some, some newer shows come up and make these sort of like, you know, Traders Canada, for example, going on right now, Australian Survivor versus the World. And it just got me thinking about Jeff passing the torch and like what that would look like. And if that ever happens, you know, um, is there someone out there who's producing TV right now that could create something that was like, you know, in the survivor world that is

the U.S. survivor world that is kind of, that generates something shocking for us. Because I feel like right now we've got the family friendly survivor, which Jeff really loves. And, um, I don't know, it used to, it used to shock. I think there was like shocking moments. Yeah. In, in old survivor that like, I'm like, can we get back to that? Is the power still there to shock us through Survivor? First, I just want to make sure I'm following your line of questioning. Was part of your question that is Jeff going to pass the torch to another host or can Survivor get back to its old form?

Yeah, it's sort of both because it's like, I feel like in its current form, Jeff has, as executive producer, as showrunner as host, he has like, as the head of casting, he's got ultimate control over the voice and the tone of the show. And so it just was like, yeah, it just kind of got me thinking like when he, if he ever decides to retire, should Survivor still be on the air, should he pass the torch to another showrunner, someone who has like fresher, you know, newer ideas, like, would we see something with those sort of old, shocking kind of human moments while still maintaining what I think has been a good direction that the show has taken in the new era as well with some of the choices

he's made so there's a lot of interesting things to unpack there i do think as far as like jeff showing how hot it is i don't know if it's necessarily that jeff is like so long in the tooth that he can't keep up anymore i feel like that he has said on the on fire podcast like he intentionally was a choice for him to uh leave in he told the editors leave in any time where i'm also struggling to keep my brother i maybe is he is he also playing it up because then this is also like wow you're not going to believe how hot it is even i'm having uh difficulty and so i i wonder if you know like that's also just part of selling that telling the story of how hot it is as far as like could survivor go in some like deep uh different direction

i think that really anything is on the table right now after the new ownership uh where that Paramount was acquired by Skydance, and I think that we just don't know what the new powers that be at Paramount think of, you know, there's been some like posturing about Survivor, Big Brother, amazing race, aren't going anywhere. Could there be cost-cutting measures that force Survivor to go in some sort of like different direction? But I think that Jeff is so entrenched in what Survivor is, I think it would be hard for them. I don't believe he owns any part of Survivor outright. I believe that's still like Mark Burnett.

But I don't know necessarily, like, if they wanted to say, slash the budget for Survivor and, hey, can you make it, either make it for $2 million or we'll find somebody else who can. In that scenario, does Jeff want to stay where he's being really micromanaged and not being able to do it his way, I think that that could be the scenario where you see new leadership at the helm. That being said, sort of like when you see like these big, and I'm trying to think of like what the right term is for this, and I'm not a super finance guy, but like where you have like these,

I don't know if it's a hedge fund or where somebody like they buy red lobster. And they're still running it like, like it's still red lobster, but they're just like, you know, cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting. You may long for the wood days of Jeff Probst where it's like some, you know, some stuffed shirt from, you know, corporate person is just like green lighting, you know, what's going on on some super low budget version of Survivors. Like, hey, it's still Survivor, but it could be, you know, we, you know, people may wish for. new leadership and may be sorry when they get it. Yeah. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily wishing for it, but just like, you know, I'm just, I'm just, it's just sort of brainstorming some ideas about, you know, what could that future

look like if that ever came to. It's hard. I don't, I don't like your vision of it. No, I'm just saying that that's, yeah, that's a possible. Yeah. Certainly. I do think that, you know, I wish that there were probably more checks and balances in terms of that Jeff has seemingly complete creative.

control and you know I think cares deeply but then maybe doesn't always have like the best finger on the pulse of what the hardcore survivor fan is looking for yeah but the thing I will say is that I feel like it always comes from a place of that they care they may just not know what we want yeah private equity thank you Erica is what I was talking about okay so we'll we'll see what the what the future is. It seems like that their survivor will continue to go on what it looks like. I just, you know, who's to say? Yeah, yeah. Well, thanks for taking my call. I just want to say, like, real quick, before I go off, you are the best of what you do. So I want to thank you for all these years of content that you've provided for me. I've been, like I said, a long time listener.

So thank you. That is super meaningful to me. Thank you so much for saying that. Of course, of course. Yeah. Happy Halloween. Have a great night. Okay, bye. Okay. All right. Let me go to, where's Mora? Okay. Here's Mora. Mora, how are you? This is definitely a deliberate rob costume, not a coincidence. It's not what I wear every day.

Okay. Are you me? You're me? Sure, we'll go with that. Okay, all right. I'm just your planned wardrobe. I like to mix it up. I don't like being in the box.

You had your glow up. So am I allowed to do a comment and a question? Of course, yes. Okay. Um, so I used to be a completionist with all of the podcasts and it became very, very stressful. So thank you for sort of letting, I don't feel guilty about it and there's enough content spread out that it's, you know. Yeah. Think of it as we just put all the food out.

It's a buffet. Eat, don't eat. When you're ready, it's there. Come back to it next week. If you want, that's fine. I'm a connoisseur instead. Very deliberate. It's just been a lot going on recently.

So I really enjoyed the vote out I think a lot of us did Has there been another time where the person who has voted out was all like puppies and sunshine and rainbows But a voter hat gave them the snub before I'm struggling to think of the time Where you know it is an interesting flip Where it's typically where it's like

Can I have a hog you're a little man coach I'm trying to think of the time that's happened maybe the chat may know better than me yeah I'll hug you when I can meet it I don't know if she can ever meet it for Shannon but that was fun and yes I am also a new caller so thank you for not making this too

scary okay yeah never I mean I really I if you are somebody who was on the fence about calling in please do I love to hear from new people. I feel like, you know, the recurring callers are wonderful, but it's such a thrill for me to talk to a person that it's like, oh, you were there with us the whole time? And I didn't even know. I might even call again someday. I was at a couple of the East Coast live shows and again just got really nervous and afraid to integrate. But yes, I've done it. Yes. Okay. So you had a, was that the comment or the question that we covered?

we did vote the question was the vote out the comment was the you know thank you yeah okay well mora thank you so much and hopefully you will call back again someday again and maybe with the real costume even okay all right look i think that's a good plaid shirt thank you get my silver approval where that came from okay all right mora take care okay bye thanks okay all right let's see where am i where am i where my the costume let's talk to Anastasia, Anastasia, spoiler alert for this week in Survivor History. Anastasia joined us for the highlight of my Twish career. I will say I froze completely. I don't know why I was so nervous, but I was so nervous and I got in my own head.

Hey, it was perfect. I was Keller, but that's okay. I would love to be the disaster tribe to your win. I thank you so much. I appreciate it. Anastasia, what's going on? I, so Marianne got me thinking about something during your interview with her. Wasn't she great yesterday?

I love Marion. I really love Marion. I love talking to her on Chat BCC. If these guys aren't on it, you should get on Chat BCC, just say. But I started thinking about MC. MC has made it from day five to the merge with Novo. She's been on two. Two swap tribes, no vote has not been, has not been even talked about being voted out other than this last switch.

But I was thinking, could this be her Marianne moment where if she makes it to the final three, I don't think she's going to tell anybody when she gets the idol because they have to give it to her, right? I think that she will see her get the idol at the beginning of the next episode could this be her moment could this be her Marianne moment where she's at final three if she gets there which I think

she might and she's like look I didn't have a vote no one knew I didn't have a vote I literally went on a journey convinced somebody to not go after something in a way so I would save the vote I have that

she didn't have. I think Nate might say, they're like, wait, hold it. You convinced me not to go for the thing? You convinced me? She could say that. If she's on final three and she's not. I guess it's possible, but to me, I don't see that. I feel like that maybe the more interesting thing that could happen with MC is that she gets

the idol this week and then has to play it for the right, Heena, when it ends up being this line in the sand, Uli versus Heena, play it for the right person correctly. And that's the bigger game-changing move than holding it up at the final travel council say, hey, I had this idol the whole time. I didn't even need it. That's true. Yeah. And I have a quick question.

The, not taking away from Sophie B., but the, well, not steal a vote. What is it called? Knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. Was that the advantage that Nate and MC didn't get? Oh, that's possible. That's interesting. Because on fire, when Jeff was talking about it, he loves knowledge is power.

He does love knowledge's power. And so I was thinking we never found out what that advantage was. Yeah. So do you think that's what it is? Yeah, I think that that is a reasonable theory, that that could have been knowledge's power because it did seem very thrown in that they just had it in. advantage for the tribe that won the reward? Because I know that like, what was it?

Saul gave Rachel an advantage. Yes. But mostly it's an idol at these. Yeah, that's a very specific thing when they do the split tribes where one tribe is voting and the other tribe isn't, that they've done that in Survivor 44, also where that there was the block of vote. This was, you know, an option that Saul had to give either a, escape a vote or

a what is it called the safety without power or whatever there was like something else it could have been so when one tribe goes to tribal council I think the show wants it to be where the other group of people has some agency because I know didn't Carl get in

David versus Dwight didn't he get a idle nullifier Carl got the idle nullifier he went to exile island I believe and so and that was during the merge No, that was during the tribe swap. I think there was uneven numbers when they swapped to three tribes.

Okay, so just like Erica with the, do you think I'd bring that back for 50? What, the hourglass? Yeah. No. No. I do not believe so. I thought on Reddit where people were talking about, oh, they should bring back the hourglass.

I'm like, please don't. Please don't think so. I think the hourglass is done. Okay. Well, that's all I have to say. Happy Halloween, Rob. Okay. Happy Halloween, and as you, we'll see what happens with MC and her idol this week.

Okay. Bye. Bye. All right. Let's go to, how about, let's go to very sick, what up, Tim. Tim, are you okay? I'm okay. I am wearing a costume, though.

Yes. Do you have HOHitis? Is that what's going on? Oh, it's been mentioned twice. Lisa mentioned it, and so did you. What is it? I'm a 6-7 6-7 yeah

H-O-H-Itis I think was great you're roving everything yeah and I was going to talk about the Sophie Sage dynamic

until Bobby comes on and still starts spewing all his poison about Sophie B your big Sophie B person oh absolutely yeah and I will give him this

up until then basically all she had with her social stuff with the knowledge of power if he plays it right, it's a catalyst to send her where she needs to be. Yeah, Bobby, Bobby was saying that he doesn't think that Sophie

could win the game. I forgot to go to the chat. Torch Snuffer in the chat says, Bobby Hall is an idiot. I love you, Torch Snuffer. Yeah. See, everybody. Bobby and then even Erica was back in Bobby.

So we've got to kill this point. in right now. Yeah. Okay. You're a Sophie B. Stan. Is she your favorite? I would say right now, yes.

Actually, I like a lot of them, but yeah, I just... I really like how hard she plays the game. I feel like that she just has, like, such a... I'm trying to think of the right word. She's a real... She loves to play. I really like watching her. And she's entertaining, which is...

Yeah. You know, good professionals. I like watching that rather than just somebody that is a game bot. Yeah. She has a real, like, zest for it. Exactly. So we'll be rooting for. We'll just keep anytime Bobby tries to come on here and skew this nonsense.

So I'll be here to knock you back. Be looking forward to seeing you next week. Oh. I know we're running here. Flying out Sunday. Okay. Sunday. That's a long week in San Francisco, Tim.

Well, we only did Tuesday. Wednesday, Thursday in Boston and realized we didn't get to see Boston. So now we're going to start. And I retired yesterday, so I'm a big party in San Francisco. Okay. All right, Tim. See you there. Okay.

Bye. Bye. Okay. Let me see. Where are the other costumes? Let me go to freshly squeezed. Let's see. Freshly squeezed old, Chris.

So you're in a different. attire than typically. Yeah, what are you? So I am dressed as my favorite professional wrestler. His name is freshly squeezed Orange Cassidy. Yes. Okay. I like this look for you. You think I should just start rocking aviators and denim? Yeah. I think you can pull this off.

I probably could. Yeah. Yeah. I'm paying tribute to another O.C. He's Orange Cassidy. I'm old Chris. Yeah. And yeah he's and so it's also an easy costume so what does mrs old chris think about this look well belissa uh she laughed when i sent her my selfie this morning so i get i have a feeling she probably would not like this full time okay she's she's a classy lady i don't know what she's doing with the like something quite frankly all right uh so what's going on chris uh so i just want to talk a little bit about the show um and i think we've heard a lot

about the Uli-Hina war that feels like it's imminent that's about to break out. I actually don't think we're getting that. Oh, hot take. I'm coming in. You know me. I'm the contrarian. So what are we going to get? I think we hear them talking about it.

So I think in their minds, they think this is happening, that they're going to be budding heads with each other once the merge hits. But we're also getting a lot of spotlight on the cracks in each of the cracks in each of tribes. So with Uli, you have the, I mean, it's one-sided, but the Savannah, Jawan situation, the little crack in that in their divide and how Savannah wants to get rid of Jawan and how Shannon also wanted to get rid of Jawan before, for fate intervened, or Sage intervened. So I think that's one area. There's the, there's a lot more cracks in Hina than I think we all anticipated because you have Sophie and Christina who don't seem to be seeing eyes.

to eye. You have MC who was originally part of that alliance of four, but then kind of wanted to do her own thing with Stephen and Sophie as well. So Sophie S randomly part of two. This is why I don't think that that's going to be the case because I think that typically we have these merges or mergatory and there's like 12, 13 people and you come into the merge and it's like, okay, this tribe has five and this tribe has four and this tribe has three or something like that where there's not really a disaster tribe and the group of five doesn't necessarily have enough people to like we don't have a majority so let's make our core group seem smaller let's try to hide a little bit more and let's throw away one of our number and then it's like

okay well they got one of us now they'll move on to somebody else and so it's sort of like a little bit of like a like sneaky like defensive posture of let's just get rid of let's throw one of our overboard so we won't be a target but neither side uh is in that position where it's like the numbers are close enough that they both feel like hey this this is it we're all in we make our numbers small we might just get completely wiped off the map so we need to like this is all in on this particular hand and whoever ends up with six and it could go either way is going to be the people that might think that they have the numbers to potentially wipe out the other side.

Yeah, my thinking is, you know, some of this might be colored by what Jeff is said in the preseason about how the second half business picks up. I think that's going to be where every week to week, it's like whoever can get to five or six or whatever a majority is that particular week, whoever can get the numbers together and in given week is going to get out

who they want to get out that week. week. Yeah. That's not, because there's just enough little, I guess, trust clusters for lack of a better term that are, you know, a lot of little city states are, you know, trying to gamble about. And maybe we get there, but I think as of right now, I just don't think other than the original tribe configurations, I don't think that we have a six or dare I say a seven, where that there is enough of a grouping to be able to pull something off. no it'll be interesting i'm just happy you know this episode we i almost feel like the first half of the season could be subtitled oops all table setter episodes because i feel like that's what it's been doing we've been setting the table selling a table and they finally got some payoff this week with the sage and shannon vote yeah okay all right yeah chris thank you so much okay all right talk to you soon bye okay all right let's go to uh where's rito where is rito who's shot first. Was it Rito? Okay, here he is. Oh, hey.

Rita. How are you? Good. You found me. There you are. I was Waldo at a Halloween party in college, and it was one of my top Halloween costumes. It's really great if you go to a Halloween party. You want to be like, you are just, you get it in a bunch of pictures. It's wonderful. It's good. As a life high for anyone that like wants to go out but is nervous about socializing and trying to you know get in in conversation you goes waldo and everyone like I went on a group Halloween run this morning and everyone was like oh I found water you know it's it's a good attraction piece yes how far did you run I did uh just a three mile run this morning okay so yeah just a little a little 5k but it is is good uh but what

what we're here to talk about you know uh is uh bringing in the snakey award for this for this episode reset what the snakey award is the yeah for those invented reto snakey award yeah for those uh that weren't there the first week as we all know the the snake incident it was a dry bite and as jeff had stated a dry bite is pretty much just the snake telling the the person that they just want the to get away. And so the contents of the Snakey Award is

if there's a move a player's wanting to make, but they and if they were to make it, they would have gotten home the next episode. Okay. That's a theory. And so if you dodge it, then you get the sneaky award. And so

I have been wanting to give it to Shannon the past few episodes because they've been teeing it up. You know, she was going for stage, but alas she got what was coming for her. And I do, yeah, I would agree this episode, you know, there's a lot of juicy content in terms of the three new tribes and a lot of players were at rest. But I think I'm going to give it to Chris, oh, hi.

Here you want to, hold on, Anthony has wandered in. I didn't think he was going to I love this Yeah He's here for the Oh A creepy Cauty

What is Anthony What are you He's a grim reaper? Grim Reaper, there you go That's spooky Who was the one that I'm blanking on the name But that had the

Kind of crash moment This episode That like Crotch moment No the Mental Breakdown Kind of she blacked out Oh, Christina?

Christina, thank you. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to give it to her only because she threw out Sophie's name. And we saw how that didn't, you know, back, like, she was like, oh, she threw out my name. I'm so about her now. Now, like, Sophie was starting to plan a move to go for Christina because of that. So if that tribe lost, I feel like Christina was going to get the boot. So I'm giving the sneaky to her.

Yeah. Reed, by the end of the season, I'm going to figure out how the snakey works. That's what I'm going to commit to it. Okay. And for now, we'll stick to just giving it to season 49. Okay. We'll see if it gets picked up for season 50. We'll see if a snake shows up for season 50.

Okay. Yeah. Do I have time for a hot take? Real quick, real quick, hot take. Okay. You give the take. I'll tell you if it's hot or not. Yeah, and you read it.

The take is, I love season 41, but the only issue that I had was when Jeff decided, when Jeff decided to change the come on in guys as bringing in all the players, because for me, I'm still watching all the old seasons, and so I'll be watching it, and he's saying, come on, come on in guys, you know, and then now I go to, the new season and he just says come on in and i feel like we're waiting from to say something you don't like it yeah i don't like this is um this is not a very hot take it's very again this is very cold take this was um a take that i think was almost like universally uh not not necessarily what you did what the way that jeff did it i think he's even talked about that he

did not do this well survivor had not been on the air for like two years because of covid or a year and a half. And it's like, hey, everybody, we're back. We know you're excited. And guess what? Should we still say, come on in, guys? I don't know. What do you think?

What do you think? Okay. All right. And then Evie's like, ah, it's fine. Like, all right, you heard it. The player said, it's saying, and then Ricard ends up saying like, you know, I didn't love it. You know, I think other people maybe don't love it.

He's like, all right, that's it. You heard, you know. So it was, I think, universally a hated move. I think it's sort of like really opened up a discussion about the wokeness is Survivor overly politically correct. It was just like, yeah, they could have just changed it. They could have just said, come on in. Nobody would have even said like, hey, what happened to guys?

Did they change it? Right, yeah, yeah. But the fact that he brought it up. When they made it part of the show and then when it made it seem like, all right, what do you think? What do you think? All right. Okay, that's it.

It just like was, I think, not. artfully handled yeah yeah I think and I can't speak for everybody but I I feel like in talking to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of survivor players I don't recall any of the one like maybe there were people on social media saying like hey and let's let's abolish come on in guys but in talking with you know all of these players having all these conversations I don't feel like that this was ever a thing that the players in the game were feeling like I really don't like it when Jeff says come on in guys yeah yeah you never heard it from the players you know talking uh their casual talk on the beach and everything but they kind of made

such a big deal of it during that episode yeah and so now when I watch an old season and he says it and then you go to a current episode it's like it's just a little confusing I almost feel like if He just says, like, bring them in, you know, as a way to collectively. Yeah, I think they could have just changed the whole phrase. Or like, come on in, gang. Yeah, come on in. Survivors or something. I don't know.

Yeah. You are, this is, I would say this is a very mild take in terms of that you don't like this. Many, many, many people don't like it. That's, no, and that's great, you know, as I'm getting more and more connected with the survivor community, it's just helpful. Bring it on in. Bring it on it. Yeah. Let's start the competition.

I don't know. They'll figure something up. But anyway, thanks for talking and happy Halloween. All right. Take care. Bye. All right. Let's see.

Are there any costumes still out there? I think Tony. Let's go to Tony. Tony. How's it going, Rob? Okay. You know, Tony, from the very small preview that I get, I couldn't tell. I thought this was a Jeff costume, but I couldn't quite tell it.

Maybe this is just his shirt. I don't want to say, I don't want to say this is a costume. That's a whole torch. I got everything. You got everything, Tony. You're all ready to go. So even like your, what drink do you have in front of you? It's a fisherman's lemonade.

Fisherman's lemonade. But that even the perspective of that is like so close to the camera. It looks like it's your earn. It is not my earn. But it looked like it was supposed to be. You know, in some world, could be. Okay. So Tony, what's going on? So I was sort of just thinking bigger picture. Jeff Proops is, I think, the best host out there right now. But what do you think he could

learn from the international versions of Survivor? And especially with JLP getting out there. But I think that he still could have some lessons to be learned from the other hosts out in the international sphere. You know, I kind of feel like that Jeff, the host, I don't really have a lot of feedback or notes for. I think that Jeff does a really great job of hosting the show. I don't know if there's any one thing that, like, JLP does that's like, now Jeff could be doing that. I think that any issues that I have complained about with Survivor, I'd say probably 98% of them are Jeff's, you know, some of the creative calls that he makes. I think I have very few notes about Jeff's hosting moves and technique.

I tend to agree. I think he can get a little bit better with hyping up with the challenges, but that's like that's... Hyping up with the challenge. What do you mean? I think J.R. Maybe not. Okay.

Hold on. More so with the tribal councils, I think JLP tended to ask more guided questions. I think a while in the early new era, guided questions were just turned into a metaphor fest whereas international versions. I think that in a little bit when we came back

from the new era I do think that Jeff kind of was really trying to explore the human condition a bit more and I think that JLP was always a little bit more let's like focus on the game down to brass tax. I really

do feel like that Survivor is best when we focus on what's happening in the game, what's happening here, less about your struggles at home, less about your trauma that happened prior to being on Survivor, more focus on the conflict happening in Survivor. I agree. Yeah, I think Tribal is really my only, because every week for me, if I'm rewatching an episode,

I feel like Tribal is a skip up until the very end, up until the votes are read, every single week. But other than that, that's kind of it. Okay. I hope you have a great Halloween and have a good one. Yeah, thanks a lot, Tony. Okay. You've got it. Bye. Bye. Okay. I mean, we've talked about this for a long time of that. When you go back and watch really old episodes, and

you know, especially in the 42-minute era, these tribal councils were not as long. And then in the 30s, like, they really started to get very lengthy, the tribal councils. And it would be the live tribal council era, uh, potentially. But then also sometimes it would just be like a metaphor fest. And it was really like, because everybody is sort of like trying to say nothing and then also trying to hide who the vote is going to be. A lot of times that was like a wasted segment.

I haven't really noticed that as much, especially in the 90 minute episodes, it doesn't feel as much as like, okay, well, why are we spending so much time on this? I think it's been fine. But, um, it has not been something that I've really, like, been very irritated with. Let's go to Richard. Richard, this looks so familiar. I've seen this before. What's out of Sestinino? It's been a while.

How you doing, bud? Hey. You're on a 90-degree angle. Let me see if I could see you. You're sideways for me. My sideways for you? Hold on. Yeah, there we go.

There we go. I tried having you on a tripod or something. Yeah, Richard, this is very... Okay, hold on. We've got too close to the sun. Okay. Yeah. Richard, this is a very good costume.

You got the buff, correct? You need like a little mustache. You know, I actually, I'm not good at that. Not something I'm really good at growing in. Fake eyelashes. Fake eyelashes, yeah. I think I saw someone earlier. Or a marker.

Marker works. I'm a little worried about that because I'm going home tonight. Don't want to have too much, especially if I can only rub off a little bit. But, yeah, and also I want to apologize. I know you were a little upset on when I was on TV. I said my, the person I'm looking forward to the most was Dorinda on the traders, but don't worry, your number three. So the question I had was, I feel like people have been a little tough on the beginning

of this season, and we did just get something interesting this week, obviously. But I almost feel like it's kind of bleeding in from 48, where that was kind of boring towards the end, where people are now like hungry, like, for a blindside. And kind of again, this is a new season. Like, I'm, like, is it, like, what do you think is better? Do you think it's better to have a season that every vote's a blindside even in the premerge? Or do you like when assuming the propaganda, for lack of a better word, is right, that this season will get exciting towards the end, that it's actually better to have a slow beginning because we actually get to know the relationships more and they mean more when there actually is a blind side? So I think that the first part of what you're saying about the 48 being kind of a slow second half and then we getting on.

off to a slow start. It feels a little bit more like when some of my sports teams where you have like you had a bad like collapse at the end of the season and then you start off the new season and things are not going well and the fan base has like a little less patience. That's what this feels like a little bit more to me where it was slow to start 49, probably not the slowest we've ever had, but I think when it was a slow second half of 48, then combined with a slow start to 49, where people are very much like, wake me up when it's Survivor 50. Like, I think it was just like we were looking for a reason to care here at the start of the season, and we just didn't get one.

Yeah, I think it's definitely a rough spot where it's like, there's so much that people have been, like, wanting from the end of the last season and so much we're. looking forward to with the next season, where, you know, it's just kind of a tough spot. I feel like usually a tough spot is, like, post a big all-star season. I haven't really thought about, like, pre. Yeah. But I think both is just, like, really tough. Well, I think that pre-a-big all-star season is an interesting spot.

And you're right. Historically, Survivor does really struggle coming out of a big all-star season. 39 was such a weird situation where it was actually a fun start to 39. and then obviously there was all of the turmoil with everything with the Dan incident and leading into 40. I think in Pearl Islands you certainly didn't have that because I think that the idea of the All-Stars

was like people, I don't know if the online fan base knew the All-Stars was happening at that time that so it wasn't like a distraction. You had Russell in Samoa. So that was sort of like a precursor. So maybe we end up with a situation where it's a very exciting back half of 49 that ends up like, oh, wow.

Like, this was a good call to put these people on Survivor 50. Yeah, I just hope, you know, I'm, like, I'm trying to, I always try to keep my, like, expectations very tempered because it's just like... Secret to happiness. Yeah, I don't want anyone to be like, okay, we got the first blindside.

Now everything's going to be a blindside. Like, who knows when, like, the back half really starts? Like, is it the merch episode? Or maybe what I have a couple of... Jeff has been on. on video this week saying that this was now the point in the game when they were like, hey, if you guys do fun stuff, you'll be on Survivor 50. And he said, and everything changed.

Oh, so he says it in the season to them. I guess that he said it in the season. I saw some video, maybe on Club Condo this week. They'll get into it. Okay. I'll make sure to tune in. And yeah, just, I know you try to cycle people out towards the end here. And I just want to say real quick, I think I've been a patron for like two years now.

And I just kind of wanted to watch Australian Survivor. So this is like the first time I'm like Yeah Look at you now I'm in a costume I know I know

So yeah This is my first time Roasting me I know Well you know That's my That's my love language I guess

Yeah All right So yeah I appreciate you Can kick me out anytime All right thanks Richard Okay Take care

Bye All right Let's say hello Let me say how to Quinton Here Quinton Yes Okay

What is going on here I'm a prince Duh I'm a prince This is just what I picked up at the Renfair a few weeks ago, and I just wanted an excuse to wear it. Okay. And your background is so interesting. Well, yeah.

So I'm in a guest room at my friend's house, but actually this used to be my room. Yeah. It's just a very yellow. It's a very dark room under the stairs. So it's loud. It's dark. You can hear the brown line pass every couple minutes. Yeah, but this used to be my room when I lived here.

Okay. But now it's the guest room I'm staying in. All right. Welcome back, Quentin. Okay. Thanks. What's going on? Well, great week for RHAP. I loved the Sydney episode. I loved the Star episode.

That was phenomenal. Looking forward to, I haven't listened to Marianne yet. Mary was really good. Yeah, looking forward to Danielle. I love talking to Star also. Star was, like, I knew it was going to be good, but it was really good. Yeah, bring her back anytime for any reason. Shannon's gone.

Woo! Big week. Really, really just ecstatic about that. But I want to get your take on, you've talked before about how there are. some, like, winner potential people. Oh. Nothing. What is?

The nothing's in the losers. Yeah. So I just want to get where everything stands now because Sage, I think, was a nothing until this episode. Yeah. And I think Sophie from original Hina was kind of a nothing. Now she's getting something, but I think she's still currently. thing, but she's getting there.

She could be changing that up. So, but where do you think everyone is? Look at it from the perspective of like to us at home and to the people who are out there. I think that the people out there probably look at her is still like in the nothing category. She's not dangerous where when you get to that level of like you've gone from nothing to threat. Okay, now you're a problem. We have to deal with you. I think that Nate is somebody who I do think is a threat right now.

The other members of Uli, Rizzo, and Savannah, and Jawan, I think are probably nothings. Joan might be teetering in the loser category right now, where I don't really see it for him. Whereas then over on Hina, I think because they just haven't gone to tribal council, I think that there are a lot of nothings. I just think that really the one person in the game that I think you might say you look at them and there's a threat is Nate, because I think that one, just like the physical, like he's He's tall. He is, you know, a elder statesman without being, like, decrepid.

He seems like he's athletic. And then also it seems like that he has an army. Yeah. I'm wondering about Sophie B. and Alex, though, because I don't know. You could say they're nothing because it's like, oh, it's only two of them. But at the same time, like, they could be the next Tika, you know, like they could. It depends how much they are seen together as a pair. Like, nobody's ever seen them interact with each other.

And if they get to the beach and they're just like, you know, arm and arm where they're inseparable, I think that that's a little bit more of a thing. Yeah. I mean, on 44, though, Tika was like not hiding the fact that they were Tika, but they still pulled it off. I think they were, though, because they would fight. Frant. That's true. They did have a lot of inviting. But like Franny was like the only person to call out like, hey, Tika's sitting right there. And then she got taken out. So then everyone else just kind of forgot. And I think that happened. Like Carolyn and Jam Jam Jam, I think would fight. And I think that Carson would often like have to be the bridge to try to help them get back together. And then also like Jam Jam Jam was like trying to vote out Carolyn towards the end of the year. Unsuccessfully trying to vote out Carolyn. Yeah. Well, I could see Sophie trying to take out Alex at any time. Mm-hmm. If I were the rest of the group, I would think that the merge boot should be either like Alex or a Sage or a Joanne. And I would like for none of them to get

voted out next because I like all three of them. But it's got to be somebody like you can't get Shannon again. I know. Well, I think it's going to be Sage because There have been a number of instances where it's like, ha ha, I got out my number one enemy and then you get out the next round. I can see a world where it is sage. I do think that, and I described it as if Jawan goes back to Uli and then Sophie B pulls in Alex and then that Hina might throw sage to the wolves, like I could see that as the person who could go home.

Yeah. fingers crossed that's not I hope it doesn't happen I hope it doesn't happen I hope Sage is a threat the way that Genevieve was like a nothing for three episodes

and then all of a sudden was like hi I'm Genevieve but yeah well I guess Sage did have a breakout episode this week but we'll we'll see I don't suspect Sage is on the same Genevieve trajectory probably not but it would be cool

all right Prince Quentin let me get to these other calls okay have a good one take care bye Okay. Let me go to Karen. Karen, how are you? Hi. I'm dressed as if I'm somewhere cold, but I'm really here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Yes, the Love You Bay Area. I am, and I'm so glad that you're going to be here.

Yes. Okay, see you to wear the hat, so I make sure I recognize you. Well, I'm going to be, you know what? I got my ticket a long time ago when it was much smaller, and I got, there was one seat, the very front row on the aisle. Okay, I'll see you there. That's where I'm going to be. But I can't believe when I heard, you said there's over a thousand people coming now. A thousand people are coming, yep. And a lot of survivors are coming.

Awesome. And I'm going to have. Also, some people you might not expect to see. Cool, cool. I have different, various health things. So I will most likely to be wearing a mask there. Okay. Rose, you'll be seeing me like this, but I will be smiling.

You'll see it with my eyes. You will be easy to identify. All right. Cool. Yeah, so speaking of expressions, one reason I, well, I was, this was such a great episode and I was cheering this week. And one reason I was so glad, I mean, I want Sage, I love Sage and Joanne. They are my favorites.

I want them to go to the end. But I thought at the least, we're going to get them on the jury. And they're both so fabulously expressive. And I just thought about, like, how, I don't know, I haven't thought about that before, but, like, who is on the jury affects our experience of the whole show. Because they're basically, like, the live studio audience. Yeah. And it's so fun.

Like, I think about Eliza and, I don't know, other people that, it's just like when you, you know, when you go to that group. That's an interesting point where I kind of. feel like that is Rick Devons as big of a deal without like there was like a huge jury on the edge of extinction where there ends up being like it's like a 13

person jury and then they start with a big jury so he's doing stuff and there's like a lot of people like he's a disruptor there so I do think that that probably does help the making like somebody into like a bigger presence

yeah and I think it helps the fun of the show too yeah Yeah. Okay. That's a fun thought. Yeah. And okay, what else? I have a, my theory about, I always pay attention with the idols, like, how are they making this fair? And I noticed that they were all hidden in spots that exist on the three beaches. One was by the well, one was by tree mail, and one was by the boat. Because my thought was that way, if there were multiple people that ended up on the same beach but needed to search for an idol, they could. be hiding them all. So I think it's like it's not a problem that, you know, wherever she moves, there's going to be a boat or whatever it is. They thought a lot of this stuff through. Yeah. Yeah. So that's my thing. I guess if I've, oh, I've had it, this is, this is what I think is a hot, whenever you all talk about hot takes, I'm like, I never have those, but I finally had one.

Yes. What is it? So you tell me if this is a hot take. The hot take is that awful as it is, it's actually good for the show if people quit sometimes because it shows us how hard the show. It shows us it's like the real deal and that it's and the show is hard. That is a, I think that that's not how the show looks at it. I think that that is a very practical way of it.

As like as a fan, like it is good that people quit sometimes. I think that the show always looks at it as like an inconvenience. of this person threw off our numbers. But in the case of Jake, with all due respect to Jake, him going out of the game and then giving us that double boot really has set things up where we don't have a mergerary potentially. And we have, I think they need to do a double elimination prior to when they typically do it. So losing a person pre-merge extra actually help the season.

Yeah. Yeah, that I think so. well I'll get going but I'm so looking forward to see oh and I want to say to like I never that San Francisco's across the bay from me but it feels like a long way I do not go out on weeknights but I was like I've got to be there I'm like I'm listening to you all the time and it's just such a lovely part of my life and so I was like he's here I've got to go okay looking forward to see you next week okay and everybody we are going to have a patron meet up on that Tuesday night also which are very fun Yeah, that would be a lot for me. Yeah. Okay, look, no pressure, but we try to, what I try to do is Tuesday night, and this is like a perk for being a patron. We don't, we don't charge a ticket for this.

It's for the patrons only, but just come in. We have name tags. It's really an opportunity to, you know, get to meet so many of the other people that are in this community. And so I really, like, the Wednesday night gets a little crazy, but Tuesday night is a little bit more of a slower night for everybody. Okay, good to know. All right, thank you.

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Hey, Ron. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Very good. What's going on? Well, I want to tell Karen, if she's still listening, the Tuesday night is really, really good. It's like, it's just if she can make it, make it because it's really, really fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you for that. And I feel like the queen of no fun because I'm not wearing a costume and I totally forgot it was Halloween because I saw you guys. So I have a question that not about the episodes or even this, it's kind of like more broad survivor question. And I'm a day one, episode one, season one watcher. And I feel like I'm gotten to where I just watch it out of habit now. Like I can't miss it. I've done it, you know, every Wednesday. I have the same thing with the Jets, you know?

You think it's fun? What am I going to, what am I going to do on a Sunday? That's a really good analogy. It's true. But I wanted to ask you, and if you've talked about this before and I missed it, I apologize. But I was listening to the Drop Your Buffs podcast a couple weeks ago, and I learned about them when they were on RHAP. I was listening and they were talking about how discontented they are and how, you know, they were stopping. covering this season because of how bad it is, and I'm paraphrasing, and they brought up something

about why they think it's bad that I've never thought about it. I've never heard you talk about, and so again, I'm sorry if I missed it, but they were saying that it's not, it's because it's no longer about the million dollars. Like, you don't hear that. I'll do anything for a million dollars for my family. It's not about even like the title. Like, I'm going to be the sole survivor. there's not that drive, that the actual prize for the people that they're casting, the superfans is entry into the community. So that's more important than winning. That's why there's the kumbaya and all that. And I was just wondering, like, because of what you do and what we all do, and like, I'm flying out to San Francisco in 48 hours.

Like, how do you feel about that? So, yeah, I do listen to Sean and Evan. They do a great job. And they definitely have a distinct point of view. And I've heard a lot of their criticisms. I don't know if I had heard that specifically that they felt like that the people who go on the show are just trying to get into the community. I would respectfully push back on that. I agree about the point.

And I've said this quite a bit myself about how they almost never talk about the money on Survivor. Where it used to be like, like, you know, who will win a million dollars? Wu will do, you know, what will people do? It was an exploration of the human condition. What are people willing to do? How hard are people willing to push themselves to win a million dollars? Where I have often talked about Survivor, Jeff has talked about this himself on the, and this isn't a secret. He's talked about this on the on the On Fire podcast.

He says, you know, the game, the game is the lore. the experience is the prize and it is a show about how do we show the stories of 18 people looking to have this experience and while they think they're playing a game for a million dollars and yeah one person will win a million dollars how will these people grow as people over the course of this extreme hardship that we are going to put them through. How are these people growing? So we spend a lot of time exploring the issues

that brought them to Survivor, what had they overcome previously, what has this experience taught them? Anytime the players talk about like, wow, when I get home, I thought I had it figured out, but now in my real life, I'm going to do this. And so I don't know if it's necessarily, that that's why it's kumbaya so i don't think it's necessarily like oh i'm going on to the show

because now i want to be part of this community maybe for some that's what they think about but i think it's more about that these people are just for the most part very nice people and people who the show wants to tell their story but in the old days you would get people who were maybe not necessarily like the most savory people that you would want to spend time with but the point of the show was to explore this interpersonal conflict whereas in the show now it's a lot more about like can i beat this person you know is this person like how do i use my like uh advantage to steal their advantage but it's not necessarily like i hate this person's guts and that's why I loved the Sage and Savannah,

I'm sorry, Sage and Shannon storyline so much that it really was, I felt like a throwback of like, I can't stand this person, like, who is this jackass? What is this person? I can't deal with this person another day. I don't care if they were on my old tribe.

I don't care if people are going to be mad at me. I got to get rid of them. So I did really love that. I would love to see players who are going for like wanting to win. the money more so like if anything they talk about the what does it mean to somebody to be the sole survivor but it's almost never what am i going to do with this money and if it comes up

it's in the like jesse lopez of like this i'm doing this for my family jeremy collins it's like it's typically like a dad of i have these kyle uh season 47 it's typically like a dad saying like I am going, I need to make this move because I need to put food on the table for my family. Yeah. Yeah. And the sage thing, it brought it even more to the forefront because here we have this example of something that is a throwback. And so it was a, it felt almost like it brought it up about the community. Like the sheet, you know, like just bringing it back to what they said.

Like, do they like, is that something that people think about? when they're out there on the island. Oh, people aren't going to like me if I do this. Perhaps some. And then she just hated it so much. Maybe some people are like too much in the weeds of like, okay, what are they going to, you know, I can think of examples off the top of my head where a player might say, like, oh, if I make this move, then this, what are people going to say about me on the internet? What are people going to say about me like in the RHAP world? And that's probably a negative thing for the show.

But there is a casting thing, too, where I think they are casting people who care more. I'm thinking back, like, a lot of the old school players, I don't think they care. I don't think they care today if people like them. They just don't care. And that's a great casting. I felt like they didn't care. And that was great. You know, I said this on the know-at-alls that I do want to say, like, that what they tried to do the producers was, and I think this came from a good place of that they

felt like that there was too many stories of people who, you know, that they came into the game with biases against different races or genders or sexual proclivities. And it was, and there were things that were ugly about that. And so we tried to like, okay, we are going to root anybody who might be, like, we're going to try to see if we can diagnose that ahead of time. we're going to take get all of that out of the game but then they ended up with largely 18 conflict averse people who were like for the most part very nice people who may have been like dealing with a lot of circumstances outside of the game and I feel like that that always

hasn't given us the most exciting game and we we have really sort of like tried to find people who they love Survivor, you know, that they are really, it means a lot to them to win the game, but also that they're just, you know, they're playing, you know, a game that is not, like, necessarily, if it's underhanded, it's really all in the, well, I couldn't beat them in the end. You know, it's not necessarily, like, I'm bluffing, but it's not necessarily like I am trying to take this person out because I hate their guts. Yeah. Well, Sam wants me to go, so I'll let you go.

Thank you so much for everything. That was my bad, Sam. That was my bad. Okay. No, I really appreciate you. I will see you on Tuesday. Thank you for everything. See you there.

Have a great travel day. See you, Sam. Bye. Okay. Let me talk to somebody else that we're going to see this week. It's the great. Miles nine. Miles, how are you?

I'm great, Rob. Thank you. It's so nice to see you. Yes, Miles. I have a, like, we're twinning, uh, burgundy guys over here. I noticed that, too. Would you like to join the father's core? Father's core.

Is that a real thing? Yes, I'm not part of it. I just attended an event and they gave me a show. It was a nice event in, uh, I live in the East Bay. Like I think, uh, Karen, who was on two lines ago talked to. It's a very common opinion. People who go, oh, San Francisco, it's so far away. I can't get there.

I get it. I'm, but, you know, I lived in L.A. for long enough that I, I'm like, taking a Bart ride across the bay, piece of pie. Anyhow, yeah, the father court had an event in Oakland that I showed up for, and they gave me this nice soft burgundy shirt so that we could be twin. Okay. So, Miles, did you want to talk about what you have in store coming up this week? Ah, this is great.

This is like when Carson invites you to plug. Johnny Carson, that is. Not the guy that helps Jam, Jam, and Carolyn not fight. Yeah. When that Carson asks you to plug, it's like. like, hey, so what are you working on? And how do I start working on it, too? He's going to plug models of 3D printers.

Tuesday night, I've overextended myself, but I'm doing it because I love the ARHAP community and I love games. And so on Tuesday night, I am inviting patrons, podcasters, survivor alums to play a new social deduction game that you probably haven't seen unless you were at the Heritage Scare in 2017 or 2016, which it's been a minute.

Because it's Halloween, this is, I invented this game. It's called Clue House, and I invented it when I was, like, deepest in my fandom of the genius. Like when the genius was still new and new episodes were coming out, and I was like,

if I made a the genius main match style game, inspired by Clue, what would that be like? And so in the game of, clue house, which is for 12 players, five pairs of living players and one pair of ghosts. You go into a room of the clue house. You each have a weapon of proficiency. If you're in the room with your weapon, a target, and no other witnesses, you can kill another person and score a point for your team. This is a little more to it than that. But if you've watched the genius or devil's plan,

if you know how main matches go, is this as good as those? I couldn't say. But it is inspired by the We're doing this. Where's the clue house going to be? Your house? You're inviting everyone to come to your home. I live in a haunted mansion with ample rooms. No. This is, so this is so drawing on like, you know, my sort of years of doing game at festivals

and stuff. There's a park that's like a 15-minute walk from the bar. It was the closest park I could find. If I find a closer park that's better, I'll put it in the Discord. but this is just going to be out in the fresh air. And this is what time? We're going to run a game at 5 p.m. And we're going to run a game at 6 p.m.

And we'll see what happens after that. On Tuesday? Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So, yeah, that'll be great. Particularly for the people who like to be social but aren't really into drinking,

which is kind of my scene. Like traditionally, if there's a bar night going on, usually I'm the guy who brings a game. And this is just that. And listen, yeah, I know it's five. o'clock somewhere, but this is literally five o'clock, and there'll be plenty of time to drink after, even if you are a big drinker. Even if you are a big drinker, if, God forbid, you get murdered in one of the early rounds,

then, you know, maybe you're like, I've lost interest, I'm going to the bar. How do you sign up to play? Derek added a channel to Discord, and it's called bonus games. We've already had 22 people who joined in and showed an emoji saying that they were interested. What you should do, I will post the location of the park. I'm going to go there early on Tuesday. I'm actually working for a client on Tuesday early afternoon. And I'm going to go right from that into this.

Again, it's my pleasure. It's what I love to do, right? I'm pushing myself too hard, but it's from a place of love. So I'm going to get to San Francisco early in the day, confirm that the park is good, post the location in the Discord. And then so there's not going to be any kind of online sign up because, I don't know if you know this, Rob, sometimes people say they're going to show up to something. That's why we'll have alternates.

That's why we'll have alternates. You could be the Jason of this. You could be the Jason. I think it's better to be the MC. You're the MC, I thought. I am the MC, yes, the master of carnage. I get to play the Butler. Oh, yeah, the Butler.

role, who's like the host, the butler's canonically, the butler in the game of Clue House, his name is Curry. That's my own spin on it. That's how I add a little flavor. And he's also there to Curry favor. So at five o'clock, I will look around at who's there. It'll be kind of first come, first serve. I've got a couple moonshots. Like, I think it would be fun if some of

our Survivor alumni friends who like strategy games and live locally, your frannies, and so on. If they want to play the game, they're invited. We're going to try to put the word out. But when it's five o'clock, I'm going to count noses and get the game started. And if people aren't in the first game, we're just in a park. So you can witness the game if you're not a player. You can be an audience member. You can go from room to room in case you get to watch a murder happen. Then I'm going to run it again at six. And after that,

if after five, everybody's wandered off and there's no game at six, no hard feelings. If we play the game at five and it's short and we start at 530 and the next one's short and we play a third one fine lucy goosey that's my attitude it's just supposed to be for fun yeah okay well miles thank you for putting this all together looking forward to seeing you for the first time i mean i can't even think of how long uh i got to say a quick hello to you in new york new york on at a live show yep i hung out with noa a lot noah's kind of become you know my patron god sister Yeah. But yeah, I'll get to see you in person to say a quick hello.

It's so cool that you're coming to the SF Bay Area. So cool that the fans are turning out. Thank you for all of your coverage. It's so cool seeing the list of guests you have each week. You're just crushing it, turning in top grade material week after week. Yeah. Thank you so much, Miles. And I will see you Tuesday.

See you Tuesday, safe travels. Okay. All right, let's go to Tanner. Tanner. How are you? I'm really good, Rob. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

Now, what buff is this? You typically don't wear the buff on your head. You usually have it around your neck. Yeah, I thought I switched up. This is, this is my effort for a Halloween costume this year. This is the Dane Rain Buff from Philippines. It's black, has a little orange accents. I felt like it fit.

Yeah, I thought I'm doing something different. I don't really have a Halloween costume on hand. I did have a ghost face costume for a number of years. But I think I got rid of it after cleaning up my house and, like, donating stuff. So, yeah, that's, this is my effort. so yeah so well what's in your mind uh you know i do agree that uh that say and juan i do think made the right call in getting rid of shannon like will they be repercussions from it from the former uly members yeah probably but at the same time it's like what are they going to do you

know like can they really get mad at them for you know making the defensive move like you know Shannon was throwing out sage and jawan's name for you know this tribal end travel prior so it's kind of like what are you going to do like sage and joan like their hands were kind of forced essentially you know it's like what are the choice they really have you got to look out for yourself number one yeah i mean uh it was i think a real mistake on shannon's part to uh throw joan's name out there instead of stephen yeah absolutely like had she not done that yeah absolutely she like had she not done that i think she still would have been in the game and probably could have been a real contender for Merge Boot probably.

I think that she would have been somebody who, I think that she seemed like that she was very close with Savannah and Rizzo and Nate. So I really think that she would have gone very far in this game had she stayed. Maybe. I don't know. I also have to say I'm kind of been disappointed in Christina this season. I had a lot of high hopes for her coming into it from the, Yeah, she's been a letdown.

She's been a letdown. She was very buzzy in the preseason. I was like, I can't wait to work with this person. And then she's been giving us next to nothing. Yeah, she's, she's, every week that goes by, she's giving less three-field energy and more like Cassandra Franklin energy, if you know, if you remember that reference. I do remember Cassandra.

Yeah. Like, Christina's kind of given more Cassandra energy where, like, I think a lot of people thought that Cassandra would, would probably be like the Surrey of Fiji, but then, you know, it turns out she really kind of did nothing the whole season, kind of rode on Earl and the Alman's coattails. And I kind of feel, I kind of feel similar to Christina, though. It's hard to be the new Surrey, you know, like,

it was nothing wrong with the old Surrey. Like, that's like big, like, it's like somebody comes into like the NFL. It's like, this is the next Tom Brady. It's like, okay. And it's like, oh, wait, no, you know, that's, that's big shoes to fill. Yeah, it's very big shoes. I don't think there'll, I don't think there'll ever be another player like Surrey ever again. Unlikely.

It's very unlikely. Easier said than done. Unlikely. Very much so. But also, I think the main question I have, uh, regards to Sophie and her possession of the knowledge is power binge. Now, I'm going to be honest. I'm not a big fan of knowledge's power.

I think it's a little too O.P. in the right person's hands. Um, but the common mistake that people make with the knowledge is never worked. Yeah. Yeah, like the common mistake people make when they are in possession of the knowledge of powers that they tell people about it. And, you know, once people know about knowledge's power, they immediately are targeted right away. Do you think that could be the same, could be the case with Sophie? Could she make the same mistake that other players make and tell people about her knowledge's power? I suspect my theory was I thought she could potentially tell Alex about it as a way to win him back over. Yeah. And I just, I think the. knowledge's power is one of those advantages that it's it's better to keep it to yourself you know play it only when you really need to makes all the sense the name is right there it's it's literally in the name like it's not it's not complicated just don't tell anyone about what you have and you know everything will work out for you i mean i could see i could see a world where i think sophie is a smart

enough player to where I think she will hold on to the knowledge of power not selling one. I do think she has the chops for it. I just am worried that because it seems like a common theme when everyone find when someone finds an advantage or an idol, they want to tell people right away, whether it's exciting you want to tell everybody. Whether it's the one of build trust or you just want to like let it be known to the to the world that you have this thing. It's like the old joke.

because, like, why are you telling me this? Like, I'm telling everybody. Yeah, I'm telling everybody. You know, we don't need to keep secrets here. But yeah, I just think that I'm hopeful for Sophie that she will hold on to this advantage and use it when she needs to. But I also have the feeling that she might fall victim to the same, fall into the same trap that everyone else has made when in possession of this

where she'll tell people and ends up putting a big target on her back. Okay. All right, Tanner. Well, have a great Halloween. Yeah, and I want to say, happy birthday to my mom. It's her birthday today. And, you know, she loves you. She loves watching the podcast. And, you know, she always gets a kick out of me whenever I get to talk to you. Okay. Well, happy birthday, Tanner's mom. Happy birthday, Mom. I love you. All right. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. All right. Let me go to Alon. Are I saying that correct phonetically? Rob, I was really touched, actually, that on Brannap, you're, you corrected Akiva on the pronounceation of my name. And we can get into that I don't know if Akiva did justice to what you were trying to pitch.

We can touch it really briefly. Like, in his defense, it was not the absolute most fleshed out pitch. I mean, I joined Rennap with Ground Dogg Week, the original one, with the last. With the mastermind, Eric Stein, yes. Yes, yes. And I have tried to backfill when, you know, opportunistically, the live show in Minneapolis is like, you know, legendary. And I was thinking like, you know, Akivo was like, oh, of course, we'll have one more live show. I'm like, okay, we'll see. But like doing just basically that one more time for the fans, you know, like just. Yeah, but like in person, in person, a live show. I mean, I thought like, I don't know if we can pull that off. Like, yeah. Why not, like, say, like, hey, at this time, like, go on YouTube live or Twitch or whatever, Zoom, and then you can have, like, audio, you know. If we could get Craigslist Carl back. Yes. Or at least Will from America.

Yeah. I thought that goes without saying. Yeah, it goes without saying. Okay. All right. So, yes, what's on your mind? Rob, I want to talk to you. I'm so excited to meet you in San Francisco.

Likewise. On Wednesday. Yeah. It's so cool. I want to just very briefly, like, what's your relationship with San Francisco? You used to live in L.A. Yes. Okay. So I have been to San Francisco a few different times. So my first trip to San Francisco, and it was a memorable one for me in that I went to a conference for the insurance company I used to work for. I went to a saw go to meet with the software developers in San Francisco. And I remember it well. It was the spring of 2002. And very notably, I watched episode. three of Survivor Marquesas and watched Hunter Ellis voted out of the game.

And I was like, oh, my God. It was like a real, like, you know, very big memory for me of like, wow, I can't believe this is crazy. And then I, so I did that trip. And then I also, I'm trying to remember if I made what my second trip was other than, you know, you know, maybe some airport connections. I think I was up in like the, I went to a film festival one time, but I think that was, I was more like in the Oakland area for that. I flew up from L.A. to San Francisco for one week.

I didn't do a lot of sightseeing. And then I went with, I went like one night for like an awards show for a different Stitcher podcast awards. I went one night. And then I also was up there with Tyson 10 years ago that we went to the headquarters for a company called Blab, which was like a startup. And we used to do News A.F on that platform. And we did a live edition of News A.F in October of 2015. I was there for maybe like two nights, one night.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you've like dropped in. Like, you know, you've had like, But when you're here, are you, like, super slimmer? Are you going to, like, hit up any, like, you know, tourist attractions? Are you looking for restaurant recommendations?

I would not say I'm super slammed. I mean, my nights are busy, but Tuesday day, I still have not figured out what I'm going to do. Okay. If you need recommendations, like, I'm super down. Like, I'd love to help. Yeah, I would not mind seeing some things. But I also don't want to, like, I have to, like, try to monitor my energy levels on these trips where, I don't want to, like, over-exert myself in the days and then be, like, very wiped out, like, when it's time to do the show.

So fair. Yeah, this is, like, you're here for work. I, yeah. If you need anything, just I'll, I don't know. Appreciate it. Yeah, of course. And two other questions, Sam, versus a question. It was interesting to know that, well, first, there's a Tuesday patron event.

Yes. The Tuesday night patron meet up. and all that information is, is Derek, is Derek still there? What is the link for the patrons to be able to, Sam, do you know what this is? So, yeah, I mean, I would go on Patreon. We sent out a post yesterday. That's like everything you need to know about San Francisco. All the information is there.

I know we're putting this out publicly, so I don't want to say the location. Yeah, but just say go on Patreon. Yeah, right on. It's pretty. It's fun. It's a much more low-key event than Wednesday night. you actually have to talk to patrons, talk to any players that come. I do think we're actually going to have a decent player turn out of that from what I'm hearing.

Podcasters will be there as well. That's five minutes, but I'll let you go on. Okay. Last question. Rob, like, what's the, like, this is going to be your biggest live show ever? I think this is going to be in terms of attendance from what Sam is telling me that we are like tearing around 1,000 people. That we would love to love to break four digits. That's so cool. I'm so proud of this.

Just interrupt. If we could get 13 more people, that'd be swell. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Interesting. I'll just start. I'll walk around and see if I can. Yeah, Sam is going to, like, you know, if push comes to shove that Sam might invite, like, 20 unhomed individuals to just pull around the back just to get us over the, you know. We've got a handful of those as well. But what do you think?

Why are we, why is it San Francisco? Is it like the venue is large enough? It is the largest venue. Like, we, we, who knows, like, a. some of these other places where we've sold out that potentially we could have gotten to this, but we have rarely had a venue that has as many seats. Amazing. Well, I'll let you go.

Really excited to. Yeah, what is your costume? What is this headpiece? That's a unicorn, I suppose. And, of course, the Rob Flannel, the throwback, you know, O-C, the OG, I guess. Yeah, like my daughter's three, so we've got a lot of these. This is a daily thing. Okay.

All right. We'll have fun with all the hot. Halloween tonight. Okay. Yeah. Thanks so much. Bye. Okay. Okay. All right. Let's keep the pace going because I do have to get the Halloween tonight also. David. Hello. How are you, Rob? Good, David. What's going on? I'm good. I'm looking forward to the Blue Jays game tonight. Yes. Okay. Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Even though I don't care for Max Scherzer, I will be very happy for all my Canadian friends to walk away with the first

World Series title what, in 32 years? Since 1993, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. How are you doing? I was there for the first, for the last ones. Oh, damn, really. Not to date myself. You guys, you're going to come back to Toronto sometime?

Maybe. Do you, when were you last year of 44? I was actually in Toronto but a year ago, right? No, what was it? Like two years ago? Year and a half. Year and a half ago.

What was it? What for? So I went to Marianne's wedding in Hamilton, Ontario. And then the year before we did the live show in Toronto during season 44. Yeah, I was there. It was fun. Yeah. I think Carolyn played her idol, yeah.

Carolyn played her idol. That's right. I have a Hot take Not a hot take I don't think I'll be the judge of that But I'm feeling a little bit I don't want to be a little bit too

Like optimistic about the new era But I do kind of feel like People are being a little bit reactionary About how dire things are And as someone who's been watching the show For a long time now I do kind of feel like We've been through ups and downs before

And if I'm to compare like Where we are at the end of the 40s To like where we were at the end of the 30s 30s. I don't really think it's that bad. I understand the criticisms and I get kind of like the sameness of every season. But I don't really think that like in some ways, I think the show might be in like a healthier place now than it was like 38, 39. Is Survivor in a better place 30? Hmm. That's an interesting question, David. And I will say that that is a pretty good good hot take because it's thought provoking and you could be right about that I think that

38 39 going into 40 it was going to be a time we were headed into a period of great change on survivor but I think that also survivor I think was having a bit of an identity crisis in terms of like what they wanted to do especially at that particular point of time where it was a transitional time where Lynn Spillman had been the casting director for the show for all of those years. And then 37 into 38 was when they let her go. And so they didn't really have a grasp necessarily on what the casting should be in terms of those other shows. We were going into 40. And then whereas Survivor, I think, was in a bit of an identity crisis. And we had just come out of Survivor David versus Goliath, which was a very heralded season, it was a little bit of a show

in transition, a show in an identity crisis. I would say that this is not a show in an identity crisis here. I think that this is a show that has landed on one identity. I think the trouble is we may not like the identity that the show has landed on. So what is better for the show to be in an identity crisis of, I don't know. what I am versus this is what I am but you don't like it.

But like 50 is going to be unlike any other season ever just like format wise like 24 players. It's going to be I don't even know how they're going to do it. It's going to be a lot. It might not be good. I'm not saying it's going to be great. But I do think that like I think the show has a clear identity

of what it is and what it's trying to do. And so we will see for the first time a big all-star season run through that lens. And I feel like with like the casting of like um divisive characters that's like people want I feel like who's the devices character that was cast. Sorry what I mean is that like I think people feel like um everyone is so kumbaya and I feel like a year ago like Rome was on our TV and Twitter hated him. So I don't know like what were. I don't know at least you felt and his cast still hates him um that it is at least you felt something. And I think

that maybe with, if we're looking at the 50, you know, Q is not kumbaya, Jenna Lewis is not kumbaya, coach makes people feel things strongly. Oh yeah. Oh, for 50. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I just think that like, I think maybe, and I understand because like, Emily flipping hates kumbaya survivor. But I just think maybe we're being like a little bit reactionary. And no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, like there should have been an all-star season like 47 or 48 could have been an all-star season. but I feel like we're like two seasons off the pace. Like I don't feel like this is certainly compared to like 21, 22, 23, and 24. Well, David, thank you for keeping us in check.

You may be on a Blue Jays high that is possible that everything is great in your world. Everything's coming up. You are just like, ah, survivors, not that bad. Yeah, who cares? As you are getting ready to drink champagne tonight. So just keep that in perspective. But no, that was good for you. It was a very nuanced and also a very, like, grounded take.

And I think that that is something that we probably could use more of. Thank you, Rob. Appreciate it. Thanks, David. Okay. Bye. All right. Let me go.

Okay. Let me go to Sari. Are you ready? Okay. All right. Sari. Then Jared. Then Harmony.

Then I have to go trick or treating. Okay. Siri. Hello, Robert. How are you? I'm doing a. Amazing. Happy Halloween.

Tell me about what you are wearing. Oh, well, my crown is off. I'm doing a couple's costume with my girlfriend, Queen of Hearts, and I'm the Queen of Spades. Queen of Spades. Okay. All right. Well, hope everything is going well over there. I listen to Nicole knows it all.

Yeah. Oh, thank you. Cool. Oh, so you are a podcast now. Yes. Yes. Everything is going amazing. Yeah, Blue Jays are playing tonight, game six.

We're going dancing after that. Halloween. And that's, yeah, well, hopefully dancing after. I think we'll be in a celebratory mood. Okay. All right. So what's going on? Okay.

So yeah, I want to, I'll keep it quick here, but I, so I always do this where I draft a player and into my, you know, personal team. And then as the season's going on, I'm like, you know, the cards are stacked against them, but they're just like, they're my little puppy. Like they're my little, like, I'm like, they're on my team. So I'm rooting for them no matter what happens. So tell me if this is delusion or if this is, you know, a little bit of an inclination based on past seasons. I think Joanne, who is on my team, is going to be our zero vote finalist goat.

Because of the, it looks like Owen, like Jake, because of the magnitude of edit he's receiving compared to, but it's kind of like dodo-y, but we just don't see like the sacrificial lamb getting this type of edit we don't see like like lydia in 42 uh charity last season you know who else has there been j maya like they kind of are in the background and so people have said juan's maybe the sacrificial lama i get stage now maria a perfect example maria yeah i think this is not a bad take i think i could see juan being a losing finalist potentially with two people from Uli tribe? I mean, I feel like

him saying act two in the tribal council last episode really was like, why were they included that? They showed us in saying act one. They showed us. This is Chekhov's three-act structure. You know if we got Joanne saying act one and we got Joanne saying act two, you know we're getting a confessional

to kick off the finale where Joanne talks about act three for sure yeah exactly act three or he'll talk about becoming the monster or something like that maybe he betrays a Rizzo or Savannah because you know

I think in our minds we think that the 50 people are slated for like final three but you know Tiffany wasn't Q wasn't Genevieve wasn't a lot of the a lot of the returnees are spoilers sorry if anyone isn't aware who's coming back but yeah so you think that's pretty

I'm really I'm rooting for him and I'm finding it hard to consider swapping him off my team. No, keep him. You've come this far. Exactly. And Nicole kind of convinced me because I looked at her new era record. She's doing really well. That was her winner pick, Joanne.

Exactly. And even though she only has one winner in the new era, she's placed pretty high in all the new era. She has a sense. She has a gift. I don't know how she does it, but she does. Yeah. She's great of picking winners.

That's how she got me. Am I right? Oh, there you go. I'll hear that. One quick thing, I just want to actually thank you. You and Chappelle, your conversation on Club Condo, really enjoyed it. Which one? Particularly surrounding, well, this most recent Club Condo, but the conversation surrounding

how, like, in, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, or I should say seasons ago, we kind of focused more on commentating on the players. And now we talk a lot about production. And I was like, that's a really apt point because I think it bought. logs you down a little bit more into like, why are they doing this and why are they doing that? And I, it's something that I've noticed that I talk about when I'm talking about survivor with friends is like, oh, I like the two tribes better and oh, why aren't they swapping or whatever? But just to talk about the players, hey, these are the real humans.

They're out there. And so I really enjoyed that conversation about how like, look, let's just, let's just talk about the players. Like, that's what survivors are all about. That's what we have to conversation. It's everywhere. I mean, it's all over social media. It's every other podcast. is like, it's a lot of like production strategy talk.

And it's just like, I just think it's, it's weird because it didn't used to be that. And I just really was curious to know, how did we get here? Yeah. I mean, your theory is about the On Fire podcast, I think are like a good, like pretty accurate that like we, the curtain's been peeled back. So now we're able to dissect like what's going on in the kitchen as opposed to like the meal that's been served to us. Like we're seeing what the cooks are doing. And we're like, hey, why are you doing that when the meal comes out a little bit like soggy or. overly salted. But anyway, I do, and I think it's great that we have a little bit more to

sink our teeth into now with, you know, the sage and Shannon drama. But yeah, I think I'm gonna, I want to thank you because I want to shift my perspective a little bit on like, let's focus on, hey, this is what we got. And if we love Survivor, let's enjoy the people that we have. Okay. All right. Sari, thank you so much. Good luck tonight. Okay. Cheers. Happy Halloween. My other theory on that is I just think that there's like so much of that like everywhere also in terms of like, not to bring this too much into politics, but instead of like, you're not necessarily about talking to like what the specific politician is doing, but it's also like, well, why is he doing this? What's going on with this? And so even like, just we're, everybody's

so smart now. Everybody knows like so much of like the like back room dealings of everything that everybody is just like a little bit like less focused on what's on the screen, but more about like how the things get made. All right. Let's talk to Jared. Jared. How are you? I'm doing really well. I'm hearing my chef's I heard you let Jordan Kalish cook.

Yeah, I did. I did. Honestly, he was great. Jordan and Melanie who's helping produce the LRG documentary

both came in and really did an amazing job helping out. I didn't know, but the LRG documentary. Oh yeah, they're making one. I don't have much more information

and it's not my project so I don't want to say too much. Don't scoop that. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, I, uh, I wanted to ask you a question about your time on the show. I've been doing that last couple weeks and it's been a fun, uh, you know, thing for me. But I also just, I want to piggyback on this last thing and I, I want to keep it quick.

So I'll save my old question for next week. Um, but I do want to offer an opinion. I think that a lot of the reason that the commentary on the show is about how the show is produced is because I think coming into the new era, the show started to be less survivor and more a show about survivor. You know, starting with the fact that they were showing us the cameras and all the production people and all that in 41 and a little bit in 42. And, yeah, they did zoom out. And I think Sophie Clark is the first person that I really heard articulate this of that this is, the new era is like these are theater kids who are doing a production of what Survivor is. Yeah, it definitely feels like that. It feels like Jeff and the rest of the production people are really keeping an eye on what Twitter.

and people are saying and sometimes taking that into account and sometimes vocally pushing back on it. And, you know, it really feels like it culminated into the point where Survivor 50, it's not in the hands of the fans, it's Survivor 50, you do it. You know, that's really what it feels like they're saying to us. Like, oh, you think you can do this? Let's see what happens.

And now they can either pat themselves on the back, be like, oh, your ideas didn't work. Our ideas work. Or if it does work, they can pat themselves on the back and be like, see, we gave you the option and we did this for you. I think another great example of what we're talking about is like we've seen this like multiple times in the new era where the players talk about like and then the montage starts and they are talking about like it's so meta that everybody like knows exactly what's happening where Shaheen is like knows what the music is going to be in this moment and he's making the music himself because he knows what's what it's going to be and it's cute but it's also like maybe we've gone one step too far where

it's i don't know if this is the Heisenberg principle of uh maybe um like some science people like rob you're way off base here but it's almost like that the thing that is most interesting to us is to sort of get a but like the act of them knowing how observed they are has really changed the way that they are playing this game. Absolutely. Absolutely agree. I just want to say thank you. I want to say congratulations on a thousand tickets

for San Francisco. That's amazing. Really quick tomorrow night, we have Sal and Ethan on Outlaw. Nice. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. Okay. Happy Halloween, everybody. Thanks so much. Okay. Take care. Bye. All right. Let me say hi to Harmony. And then, Nathan. Harmony.

Yes. Hello. Do you make your video? We are going fast. I did. I still have to edit it. I'm going to try and edit it today and send it off hopefully fingers crossed. Thanks for asking. Yes. But we are on a time crunch. I'm going to get you out there and you don't need to race. You're fine. Firstly, TGIF. TGIF. I always want to put that out there. TGIF. Secondly, okay, one thing, an anecdote, I want to say that's funny, is the people who do not watch everything live. I can't because my brother's in the living room where I would usually watch it,

so I have to watch it the next day on Paramount Plus. And usually I put my phone on Do Not Disturb, so I'm not getting all the chat BCC things coming in and spoiling it for me. And foolishly, the next day I turned it off. And as I was watching, because everyone stopped talking about it, it was like 12 p.m. the next day. And as the scene with the swap was happening, I get notification of Mike Bloom's parade article. It's always Mike Bloom. Always that the scene of the crime, Mike Bloom.

It's always like, I know the joke. I can't tell you how many times, you know, just like Mike Bloom has spoiled, forget it. If you watch Australian Survivor. Oh my, yeah. It's like one second every episode is over. It's like, watch this scene of the person getting voted out. Literally on blue sky, that actually happened with Australian Survivor as well. versus the world I got the winner

spoiled by Mike Bloom but Mike doesn't have any chill okay maybe it's my fault maybe it's my fault I should stay off maybe you shouldn't be online

following Mike Bloom if you don't want to get spoiled on stuff right everyone remember to mute your chat BBCC but other than that I was curious maybe you already talked about this I didn't finish watching your interview

with Marianne but why won't they tell you exactly how hot it is in Fiji? I wonder if it's maybe one of these things where the number is not as oppressive, impressive as it feels oppressive, where is it like 103? That's what I think. But maybe is it that the humidity is, you know, 99%. I just wonder if it's like one of these things where it maybe feels hotter than it actually

is, and that's why they don't say it. I feel like they should just, because that's why I suspected it. Maybe for the Canadian audiences, they don't want to say it's like, oh, it's a, it's 110 Fahrenheit. And they're like, what is that? I don't know. Yeah, but they used to, there are times in the past where they said exactly how hot it was in Fahrenheit. And you know what? This is American Survivor technically.

Because I think in Osse, in Samoa, they've been like, oh, it's, da-da-da-da-da-s Celsius. And I'm like, it's 38 degrees Celsius. Yeah, and I'm like, nods, Siri, tell me how much that is. But, yeah, I just thought that was interesting. because they can also just say, oh, and the humidity is 200%. And I'd be like, whoa, the humidity is high, even though the temperature isn't. But I don't think they're, I know that they're showing, like, Jeff being like, oh, my God. And he snapped a little bit.

Is that just me? So, yeah, the hottest period, December to April, which is when they film this, temperatures are warm with average highs around 85 to 88 degrees Fahrenheit, which does not sound that high, but maybe it's just so humid. Then they can tell us what the humidity is. Maybe it was 95 degrees

and like, you know, super humid. Am I crazy? I feel like they could say the humidity is 97% and I feel like we'd all go, I don't know what that means, that sounds terrible. I don't know. But they're just not saying it was like 94 degrees. Like 94 degrees. Come on. Yeah, I'd say

it's 94 degrees, but the humidity is what's really taking people out and I would I would nod and I go oh I believe it but I think it's suspicious that they're not telling us how hot it is he's just saying it feels hot that's fair point yeah I wanted to make sure

I got you out the door I did everything I think that I needed to and yeah it's nice to see you again Rob great to see you all right Harmony take care looks good all right bye okay and then let me go to Nathan another where's Walda we have a match

Oh, I missed the beginning. Reed earlier. Oh, very nice. Like, damn it, Reed. Okay. Nathan, what's happening? If this came up earlier, I can switch topics. If you ask something that we already talked about, I'll just hang up on you abruptly.

Okay. I would understand. And then curse about your bad question. Okay. As long as Reed didn't do it, I'll be okay. Are you going to give out the Snaky Award? Oh, well, actually kind of, yeah, because that's someone who did something, didn't do something. And that's my question.

Should, we know it worked out for Stephen, but shouldn't he have just played a shot in the dark? Um, I guess that's fair, but I feel like in the four-person vote, I think that maybe his vote was important. um so if he is one of the votes for like if joe if they're not sure maybe if joe like if maybe if they had some thoughts that maybe could joan potentially be voting for him maybe is is um maybe if he thinks that maybe is shannon lying to me and she's actually going to vote for me and not joan i think it's maybe a little too cute to play the shot in the dark i think that he's probably better off making sure there's at least two votes that are going to be

on Shannon I guess I mean this might have to do with we were talking I know it was up earlier how like was it going to be a fire making or picking rocks but I think it would be picking rocks it would not be fire making in the pre-merge 2-2

tie yeah because if that was the case I can't see a two-two split happening really reasonably like I think Steve has to know like either people are with me in Survivor 42 that there was

a situation where the started with the V tribe Mike Turner's tribe went to tribal council and Mike Turner had lost his vote and then also Chanel had lost her vote and Daniel

Strunk and Chanel voted for Lydia or Jenny I think they voted for I think he voted for, they voted for and then gave up because Strump didn't want to go. And so basically that Daniel and High

would have had to pick rocks. Yeah, I mean more, I think the producers would, but I don't think like, I don't think Stephen should be counting on like, okay, Joanne's going to go to rocks for me. I think he thought, I think it's 3.1.

I think he felt like, okay, well, I know, I'm pretty sure Sage wants Sage has been talking about I want to vote out Shannon all this time. So if at least I'm going to put two votes on Shannon probably Joanne is going to be the third vote on Shannon. So especially because she's talking

about she wants to throw him under the bus. So I think that that was a sound move to actually just write down Shannon's name and not play the shot in the dark. Okay. I think that was the safer move. Okay. I'm more of the mind just like use the shot in the dark the first time you feel anything.

because I mean I think basically everyone who's gone out like just should have I don't think any of them were given an opportunity like a scenario that made it feel like they should have yeah but also speaking of tiebreakers do you think they should go back to past votes counting as the first I think it would add very interesting dynamics where all this sudden people would, I think, play it a lot more. And it's also shot in the dark in the game because I think that maybe it's a little bit more of like, are you to write my name down? Like, you know, it's, it's interesting. Yeah. And with the shot in the dark, you could have it where a zero votes on everyone. It's just whoever got the most in past ones. I think just opening it up, it may be something where the scenario never comes up. But I think the like paranoia of knowing I have past votes. But I think the show likes the fact that, yes, there would be some more drama

around the past votes, but I think the show likes the fact that there could be a potential rock draw. They like all of those sort of like tribal council maneuvering, uh, tiebreak scenarios where Cedric has to change his vote. I think they like all that stuff as opposed to it being a little bit more clean. Well, this person has three previous votes. So they're going to go home. I can definitely see that. Yeah. And there still would be the times where it does have to go to that if no one had been voted for. Definitely get rid of trivia as the second tiebreaker. I can definitely agree with that.

Yeah. Okay. Nathan, thank you so much. Okay. All right. Take care. No problem. Bye. All right.

This might have been the longest patron Q&A for Sam. What do you think? Is this the longest one from Survivor 49? It's close, but honestly, I feel like we've gotten over two and a half some of these weeks. Okay. All right. I'm trying to keep you moving. There you go.

I got to go trick or treat. everybody. Thanks, Sam. Do I forget anything? See you in San Francisco. See you in San Francisco. All right. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.