RHAP: We Know Survivor - Frannie Marin Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 6

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Today, Rob is joined by Survivor 44's Frannie Marin to discuss Survivor 47 episode 6.

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rome i am rob cisternino everybody welcome back to our survivor post game show here after the merchatory we still are we still calling it that it seemed like a merge it was like a merge but without the muff the buffs yeah so we will break it all down. I'm so excited to have here one of the great guests that we can have here on the podcast. Not to, you know, set the bar too high here as we bring back Frannie Mare. And Frannie, how are you? Oh, hello. I'm so good.

I'm so excited to be here. I'm cheesed. I feel like it's been a little while. I got jitterbugs in my stomach when I heard you doing your little intro. It'm so good. I'm so excited to be here. I'm cheesed. I feel like it's been a little while. I got like, I got jitterbugs in my stomach when I heard you doing your little intro. Yeah, it's been a minute and I'm so excited to have you here. And we got a very fun episode here with a lot going on here at Survivor 47 as we sort of for the first time in the new era, I actually, they've played with the, the, the, the merge Tori has actually been something they've played with a lot in the new era, but here, uh, we've actually done,

and I'm not complaining because it's, uh, the best one I think they've done so far, but, uh, we could talk about the packaging, uh, when we get there, but Franny, how are you? I'm so wonderful. Life is good. Very busy. Matt and I just ran a marathon. So we still have black and blue toes. The toenails are not looking good. But besides that, we're excellent.

Yeah. How is Matt doing besides excellent? Awesome. Yeah, he's awesome. He is co-directing his Taiko group, his Japanese drumming group. They're doing a ton of stuff. And yeah, I don't know, running until very recently. We also took a little celebratory trip to Mexico after our marathon.

And Matt had his first ever spa experience. He loved that. So it's been a wild, wild ride over here. We were actually, we did a couple's massage which i've never yeah before um best massage of my entire life and uh and at the end matt's in his you know like robe that they hand out and it's this like very quiet atmosphere they're playing the spa music and he like turns to me and he whispers and he's like i think i love the spa i was like yeah buddy you love yeah go to a spa is fun. Yeah.

Yeah. It's awesome. So better than Survivor. Well, not really. Better than some parts of Survivor. Sometimes it's a reward, Franny. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. I should bring that back. Okay. Well, could they do a spa at the sanctuary? Is there room for a massage table there? Yeah, the sanctuary. There's room. I thought it was funny with the last week, the social hour, like the sanctuary is not that impressive. People kind of walked in and instead

of going, wow, they were like, oh, okay. But the cornhole is new. The cornhole was fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have eaten up that cornhole that had Minnesota written all over it. It's really good. Yeah. All right. Well, we've got a busy day coming up on Thursday as well, as I will get the chance to speak with Rome after what a big night. So much airtime for Rome. He got to sit in Jeff Probst's chair. Insane. That was wild. Yeah jeff has been waiting for somebody to take the bait on that one for a minute i remember i spoke with yule kwan after winners at war and yule was talking about and it might have also been the same spot where yule was getting voted out and yule said jeff he was explaining something and jeff's like wow yule why don't you sit in explaining something and Jeff's like, wow, Yule, why don't you sit in my chair and explain it?

You should host the tribal council. Jeff has been waiting to get somebody that's getting voted out to sit in the chair and then ultimately get voted. And tonight he found the sucker to take the bait. Yeah, take the bait. Might I oppose the the thought perhaps rome was cast for this very reason from the beginning they knew he was the one person

who would have been willing to go and sit waiting to get somebody with this bit for years like i'll get him to sit they'll sit in the chair they'll explain the thing and then they can vote it out yeah i know really it was a it was a real like, is Jeff in on the blindside moment? I was like, Jeff's really helping them make him feel so comfortable. It's a great job, Jeff. Good performance. And it was incredible. Great job by everybody.

Rome seemed like a good sport, too, on the way out. So good job by Rome on the way out. I will talk with him on Thursday morning and then we'll talk with Steven on the know-it-alls coming up as well on Thursday afternoon, 3 p.m. Eastern, if you want to be there for that. But Franny, this was a classic Survivor merge boot episode, certainly evocative of chris noble uh from survivor uh ghost island and for people who are old enough to remember my own very uh survivor the amazon where roger was like the known merch boot and everybody you know everybody was in on it except for him. Yeah. The oldest among us, remember. Yes.

Dinosaurs out there. You remember. You remember. Yes. But Chris Noble, a much more topical reference. Also. Yeah, well. Somebody known to rap.

Well, that's what I was going to say. I don't know if Roger rapped much. So it doesn't really. I never heard him rap. They don't all fit in the same box. Yeah. Hey, maybe it was quiet. Maybe you weren't privy to it.

But yeah, Rome and Chris Noble, two of the greatest bar spitters of our time, I'd wager. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that would be an impressive battle rap to get to see Chris Noble versus Rome. But Rome ends up here being the person who like a classic survivor foible here, uh, that, you know, that, and he lived, he died in the game as he lived as that. He was just going to be the person who was going to stir the pot, stir, stir, stir, and just a little too much too soon, really for no reason. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of stirring, wasn't wearing an apron. Now he's got schmutz all over his shirt. He's out of the game. Yeah. It's interesting because a lot of the things that Rome was doing, like these moments where he would speak to somebody

and then immediately relay that information to someone else. There was always a moment when he did that where I was like, is this genius? Like is Rome about to like really pull one over on everyone? And then it would just immediately crumble. Like the next moment that I had that thought. Um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was, I don't even want to say necessarily that he was like a, a huge liar. We did see him tell lies, but he really was like a real, like real layer of information and maybe twisting of the information. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, so like in this new era, three tribes, everybody comes together.

Everybody's excited to meet each other, but can you be too gossipy? Oh, definitely. Yeah, I think that this, so like I said, Rome does this thing. I had this moment where I'm like, is it really smart? But the reason that it's not really smart in my opinion is because Rome hasn't had the time to actually develop any emotional connection with these people. It's like right away you hit Mergatory, you're meeting them for the first time

and then you're immediately spreading information to everyone. There's no like social net for you to fall back on where somebody thinks themselves like, oh, Rome's, you know, talking to other people, but I kind of trust him. So I'm going to let it slide. And it just immediately becomes a red flag. So I think that like, this is, it's the time when you want to be most gossipy because there's this whole fresh pool of people around, but I think it's the worst time to do so. Like you just have to like really lay low. Yeah. I mean, he was just mining so much information and then just like passing it along to anything that Kyle said he was telling everybody about it.

And then it was Tiana, of all people, who really did the fact check on like, no, I don't think so. I mean, I think Kyle did say what Rome had reported back to. He kind of did actually. He kind of did. But see, I was like, no, no, Kyle wouldn't say that. He's my friend. I'm going to, I'm going to go find out about that. And, you know, we saw that even with his own tribe last week, where Saul went back to Genevieve and relayed what Rome was saying, even though it was something that Genevieve had said. went back to Genevieve and relayed what Rome was saying, even though it was something that Genevieve had said. Yeah, immediately. And that's where it does really come down to the relationship. Like Rome had to have made an assessment. He needed to think to himself,

is my relationship with this person that I'm talking to better than their relationship with the person I'm about to relay this information to? you know, because like, I think if he had really taken a moment to listen to Kyle's feelings about where Tuku was laying, you know, who he wanted to work with, Rome would have realized pretty quickly that Kyle trusted and liked Tiana a lot. And so he should have made that assessment of, wait, I think these two like each other. It's not going to make sense for me to immediately go to Tiana. She's going to trust Kyle over me, but he just didn't, I think he just gets, he got so excited that he, um, you know, saw this opportunity to break down a relationship and didn't stop to think that like, he's the newcomer here. Why, why should they trust him? Um, over somebody that they've been with for,

you know, 11 days at this point. Something that's interesting to me about this season that I think is different than your season and most of the seasons we've seen from the new era, I feel like that the tribe loyalty is like seemingly not there at all in this season. I feel like that there was almost no mention whatsoever of, oh, I don't want to lose somebody from my tribe. I don't want to lose somebody from my tribe. And maybe it was a factor, but it was just not something at all that we saw. It did not seem as though the three tribes

were moving in unison, perhaps maybe a little bit the Gata tribe, but I think that was more so like that, you know, Sierra and Sam, I think still have a tight bond and Andy and Rachel that, you know, Sierra and Sam, I think, still have a tight bond. And Andy and Rachel are, you know, hanging on there. But it did not seem as though the tribes are working as one. Yeah, I wonder if this is a function of like a fairly even split among the tribes going to tribal council pre-merge.

I know, I guess Tuukka only went once, but they obviously have some issues amongst themselves. Like each tribe individually felt very divided and complex when we were dealing with them as like separate entities. So yeah, it's not surprising that they come together and they're not like, Gata strong, Tuku strong. Like they can't wait to work with other people. I think it's exciting because I, I'm a little sick of watching, you know, uh, one tribe just like absolutely gelling together, um, against all odds, even though they really don't like each other or maybe like shouldn't be working together. Um, I think it's sort of boring and we did have this like pile on tonight of everybody going on Rome,

but I do think that it like sets the stage for an explosion that is going to happen with the rest of the season. Yeah, I agree. And the reason why I bring up the tribe loyalty is that I feel like that, you know, in another scenario, you know, when Rome is doing these things that perhaps that the people from Rome's tribe may sort of like work to try to fix this or clean this up or do some damage control for Rome. We did not see either, not Teenie, not Saul, not Genevieve, Rome's tightest ally work at all to try to save him. Yeah. Saul, in fact, pushing him further under the bus. I was like, finally, this is wonderful. I love that. I love Saul's confessional where he's like,

all he does is talk, talk, talk. And it's just crap. Yeah. I was a little surprised that Genevieve didn't push back on the Rome plan at all, but I actually think it was really smart for her because we'll get to this later, but she already had so much exposure in this episode that I think like, you know, finding this advantage, being the only one visibly clean, like you just stand out to then also push your agenda against this guy that is, you know, seeming sketchy to everyone. I think it would have been too much for her. So she made the right choice, but it was, yeah. He had nobody sticking up for him. I was kind of a little sad.

Yeah, but Rome got so much of the episode devoted to him. Franny, he got to save previously on Survivor. I don't think that anybody else has ever gotten that before. No, that was insane. That's what I'm saying. We're like, like they found Rome in casting and they're like, we're going to try everything with this guy because he's going to do it. Like anything that we want him to do, he'll try it.

I also, the thing that's funny with Romeome like um watching this season i don't think i think it hasn't been years like i i have not yelled at the tv this violently in years the way that rome has made me yell at the tv like poor matt is sitting next to me watching me watch the past couple of episodes and i'm like hold on you get you get you franny you're yelling too much and then uh automatic volume control is making us not be able to hear you yes okay yes so i would say things like rome you fucking idiot but louder louder you know imagine it louder yes. And I think Matt's never seen me that angry. And he was on the island with you. And he was on the island with me.

Yeah. So, and we lived together, you know, there's, I just. He was in the marathon with you. Yeah. I got mad at that too. So it's, I have, I have loved to hate the character of Rome for the past, whatever, five weeks. And I think I'm actually really sad that he's going to be gone.

Like, it was so much fun to yell at him and to say that he's stupid. And I'm sure in real life, I would, you know, I would find him hilarious and, you know, get to know him and like him. But wow, it's so fun to hate him on the show. Yeah, I mean, that Rome the TV character did bring a lot to the show.

He certainly like put it all out there. The show, you know, I think did relish having him put it all out there. It was like a delicious downfall for us as viewers. I think it probably even came sooner than we were expecting. I don't think that a lot of people thought that Rome was in a ton of danger coming into this week. Yeah, no, I don't think so at all. I would never have thought that because, um, yeah, it's interesting. So, uh, there's a lot to say about this, like merge structure. I loved it. I thought it was great. Like, you know, it, it looks more like, um, a typical merge. Um, I love that there are so many more, um, options, uh, for people to vote for. I think that the merger tour,

the classic merge story where you only have half, like it feels like everything really narrows and the players don't have the room to like navigate and grow. So I was a little bummed that, uh, the vote was somebody like Rome who, uh, feels like such an easy pile on. Um, or if it had been somebody like Andy, like I was hoping that people would use that, that opening as an opportunity to make a really interesting move. But yeah. So I was just like very surprised that it was him,

especially since it got brought up so early in the episode. I was like, when will the other shoe drop? And it did not. Yeah. Yeah. It's up there. Yeah. I saw people say like, okay, okay well we know it's definitely not

rome because it's so locked in at this point and then you did have like the specter of the amulets and then there was that one moment where rome had the crocodile tears where he was saying that saul is bullying him and he's being so mean to him and he was uh you know manufacturing some teardrops and it's like okay oh wait maybe is caroline gonna really push to play the amulet on rome is that possible but no that is not the case yeah not the case and and you know i'm okay with it like i'm glad that you know none of my other people that i'm really psyched about went home. But yeah, we're going to we're going to miss out on something without seeing Rome on our screen. OK, so at the Tribal Council, Jeff asks Rome to talk about the advantages and says, OK, why don't you sit in my chair and should we swap? And it was a historic moment. But Rome talked about how this advantage not that good and Jeff we saw Jeff like take

offense like oh what my you don't like my advantage he's like no no it stinks and he proceeds to explain now Jeff doesn't really explain to the players how the advantages work and and what's bad about the advantages in his in his job but i mean i kind of i hate to say that rome was right oh yeah he was really accurate and he did a good job he was well spoken to i was like oh darn he did a really good job yeah because then they proceed to flush the amulets down the toilet yeah the amulet it, I think this is the first time that it's ever actually been used with more than just one person. Very exciting. Baby steps. It has to be used in the least, exactly. I think it has to be used in like the least interesting and impactful way first

just to demonstrate that it can be done. And then maybe next season we'll like build on it a little bit. Yeah. I found it really interesting with the amulet because obviously it, it gets completely blown. It's essentially useless, but I do think it means something that the three players were able to even get on the same page about all blowing it at, at the same time. That sounds kind of weird as I'm saying it out loud,

but, but you know, it was an advantage at the same time. That sounds kind of weird as I'm saying it out loud, but, but, you know, it was an advantage at the same time. Um, yeah, like just, just that, um, willingness to work together cross tribally, I think it's setting the foundation for what we talked about before, which is that the lines are dissolving very quickly. The lines are very quickly. And I think that Andy is in such an interesting situation. I really all season long, you know, when the votes came up, two votes came up on Andy. I know that one was Saul. I didn't catch who the second Andy vote was.

It was, it was Sue. Sue. Okay. Andy very astutely says, I was the backup plan. You know, he realizes that, wait, hold on. I was the person who ended up being the, the, the person. And, and I, this was a big deal in your season of, was it, was it going to be jam jam or was it going to be Kane that if Josh played an idol, right. That like, who was the backup plan

going to be? Um, and Andy was like, wait, hold on. So I'm, I'm, I'm expendable. And I do wonder if that's going to be a thing moving forward i do think that that was a byproduct of the mergatory competition where rachel was somebody who won the challenge and i think that she was there with sam and sierra and so when they're talking about like who do we put the like who's the backup plan? Maybe if Andy was there and not Rachel, they say Rachel. Rachel's on the outs. But they can't say Rachel's the backup plan because she's at the merch feast when they're deciding that. I remember you and Matt were at the merch feast, right?

We were, yeah. A lot gets decided there. A lot gets decided there. And I was curious to see if that would be different because they're not safe uh like i wondered if uh because the merch feast that i was at and all the ones that we've seen in the new era there's this bravado where it's like we can do anything we're kings and queens um so i was sort of new beginnings. Yeah, yeah. And Carol ended up like barfing in the corner. Yeah, so I was wondering if that would,

if the tone there would be a little bit different. I do think that the, so the tone felt very similar, right? They all ended up sitting around and deciding who, as a group, they thought they wanted to vote for. I felt like the vibe was different for the people who did not go to the feast in past New Era seasons, it's been dejected city over there. Like they've been very sad and they've, I think it's, um, the energy has been, Oh, well, I guess we just have to wait

around until they come back and tell us the plan. Um, so I liked that they seemed to feel like they had more, more agency. Um, but yeah, the Andy being the backup, like you never want to be the backup. And I think there's kind of like a, like a, um, like a burst bursting the bubble moment after your name has been written down once people are more willing to consider doing it again. So if somebody makes it, you know, all the way through the post merge with their name, never being written down, it just like, I feel like it just doesn't come to mind as easily when you're when you're thinking about who to vote out you're like okay well who's who've i voted in the past okay i voted andy that time why don't we just do andy that's easy i know how to write his name down um yeah so it's not good for him his reaction was

valid you don't want to be that person right and so this comes on the heels of him playing the amulet with caroline and teeny and i do think it is kind of interesting because even though it was a flush of this amulet, I think it signals a couple things to the players. It's like, okay, well, one, these three are feeling pretty safe. Because if any of those people were really feeling insecure,

they wouldn't necessarily be like goofing off with the idol or the amulet in that way. Now, I think that Andy, as we've seen in the first episode, when he had that emotional moment, maybe doesn't handle, uh, you know, this level of like, uh, having some paranoia, especially well, I do wonder maybe could, could this perhaps end up putting him, you know, back into like a little bit more of like the feral Andy that we saw back in the first episode where he's like a little bit more, uh, I got to figure something

else out here because it could be me. Yeah. I think we might see a feral baby Andy. It's like, like Kendra's or is it like raccoon in a trash can? Like, you know, yeah, I think that for Andy, right, like he's had this story that is really based on his insecurities around social exclusion, like feeling left out. And I think that encapsulated in the, you know, two hours of tribal council, he had this jubilant moment where he stands up with these two other people that are working together. They play their amulet. He really feels like he's in on what's going on. And then not, you know, 45 seconds later, you have Jeff reading his name. And I think that that juxtaposition will freak him out.

I think it's going to, even though everyone was like, we knew it was Rome. It wasn't going to be you. That is going to make him feel like- It was the blind side, though. He didn't know he was getting two votes. It was a blind side to him. And it's going to make him feel like... He didn't know he was getting two votes. It was a blind side to him, and it's going to make him feel like every happy,

you know, fitting in moment he's had since the merge has been fake. He's going to re-examine all of those. They could have played the amulet on him. Yes, and that's actually... I had that thought as we were talking just now. It's like, maybe that was the move, is to play the amulet on him because then...

Well... Did Caroline know Maybe that was the move is to play the amulet on him because, because then, well. Did Caroline know about the, who the decoy votes were? Did Tina know? I think Andy's going to be questioning everything. Yeah. Who's the other person that got a vote? Sam. Yeah.

Well, the Sam vote was so hilariously classic Rome in that Rome was so overconfident that Saul was getting voted out that he said, I need, this is too boring. I've done too good of a job. I need to either throw some more chaos on this. It's not enough that I'm getting Saul voted out. I'm going to throw a hinky vote on Sam just to create more confusion. Yeah. He said he got up to the voting booth and he's like, Whoa, Whoa. I haven't stirred the pot in 25 minutes. Saul's getting like nine votes.

Like, uh, he doesn't need all those votes. Yeah. Where's the fun in that? Um, yeah. Wow.

Rome really left a little, you know, a little fun package on his way out. I think that that's going to cause some issues as well. Could be. Cause I mean that the question of who is the Sam vote, I think is going to be out there of like, did,

who did, who did a rumble for? Was he the other Andy vote? Was he the Sam vote? I think that that's going to be a question that's going to be asked. And for Andy, just to go back to this journey that he's been on, he was having so much fun that we saw him in this episode.

Talk about how the, the, that tribal council sucked, not that was a great moment. Salt in the wound for poor Anika. I watched it. I used to like, that was fun as hell voting a blindsiding Anika.

But then, you know, the blind, you know, the thing about blindsides, Franny, it's very fun when you are the blindside er but when you're the blindside e not that fun not so fun not not so fun yeah and and uh i think that the most astute players among

us recognize that disparity and know that you're the blindsider you don't really want to relish too much in the blindsiding for then one day you know many of us go from the blindsider to the blindside eat yeah it's the it's the path that most of us follow um yeah it's uh andy's still finding his footing you know i think that he's he's he's just like he's clearly so excited to be playing survivor and he has a lot of really good ideas um and that excitement comes through those ideas come out but um there are also moments where like the ideas and the excitement don't quite marry in the way that they should really crazy babies pop out and they're not so yeah how about that rome vote came in german tonight? That was wild.

I had a moment watching and I was like, am I? Am I having like a mental issue right now? Yeah. Did the SAP turn on on my television? Yeah, it was really interesting. I feel like, yeah, I feel like Andy is putting a lot of thought into those voting. He is. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. Yeah. He's really doing good work in the confessional booth. Yeah, he is.

Yeah. Franny, I feel like that this season in particular, the voting confessionals have been back in a big way. Do you feel like that in Survivor 44 were people going into the voting booth? Were they still doing all of the same like like voting confessionals that you would expect from Survivor over the years? Or do you think that was there like like, hey, like you don't need to do all that. And that they've said, hey, like like play jazz in the voting booth. Yeah. Yeah. Play like elevator music in the background. I personally did not engage deeply in the voting booth confessional moment, mostly because I always felt bad. And so I must have heard stories when they, people come back. If somebody had a real zinger, they come back and talk about it after tribal.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So I think it's, it, it, it, it depends heavily on the personalities. Like if you have people that, you know, they think that they've got a little like verbal pizzazz, um, the whole, you know, boat ride to tribal council, they're thinking about it and then they want to tell everyone afterwards. There was a little bit of that on my season, but I mean, clearly they weren't good enough to like make the cut. I just think that Franny, the, in the, the evolution of the new era,

like I think that there was like a little bit more of a focus on like the sportsmanship, especially coming through. And I think that even since 44 wasn't that long ago, but I think that the show has like really gone like a little bit back to its roots in sort of showing some of these spicier. Jeff is spicy and the voting confessionals are spicier. Yeah, absolutely. I remember I saw online actually the other day, God knows why somebody was talking about season 44 the other day, but somebody was like, I hated season 44. They liked each other too much. So I feel like that happened on like 45 too. I think season 46 really reminded us that you can be mean to each other on TV. And I think that, you know, some of the people on the season are taking from that and not like, you know, there's a line between being

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We're doing a schoolyard pick. And we go to commercial. I was like, all right, here we go. Such a blue balls moment. They didn't even tell us any yellow. They didn't even tell us who the the captains were yeah what is the point truly if you don't even say who the captains are what is the point i don't know it just it just makes people feel bad about each other or feel a certain way about each other and we don't actually

see the repercussions the one thing i'll say and i don't remind me from your season but i feel like that the last couple of seasons uh that it seems like that the groupings were a little lopsided from the rock draw, especially remember last season where it was like every it was basically like all of the women in Charlie versus like all of like the big strong guys and like Tiffany and Kenzie. and like Tiffany and Kenzie. Yeah, yeah. But it's interesting because, you know, it's a little rich of Jeff and production to think like, oh, the rock draw is not random enough. Like it's rigged because it's,

that's like the most random way to do it. The, you know, they're lucky that the schoolyard pick didn't make things very lopsided. Well, I feel like with the schoolyard pick, I feel like that's sort of like that. Okay, well, I would take a strong person. You take a strong person. You take strong person like uh like maybe the social dynamics get into play but i think you're probably more likely to get even teams than to do it by the rock draw where you potentially have a non-competitive uh like very long challenge

yeah that's a good point that's a good point the players should in theory like sort themselves out somewhat you would hope you would hope you would hope but we end up with a very long challenge that ultimately ends up being for reward yeah yeah you know i'm realizing i didn't even write down the teams because it did they didn't feel like as uh as um important as the mercenary like there's such a moment um being in the group that wins the mercenary that like really gels you together you get your buffs you're like we are a group we won we're so special and it matters um but this didn't really have that like that you know they go and sit on the bench and they all look exactly the same except for jennifer because

they're all covered in mud yes yeah well can. Well, can I speak to the mud? Because, you know, I talked about this back in episode number one and Jeff, you know, he gave a great answer about why they do this on the on fire podcast. He's talked about how, you know, they like to have the mud. They want, they want the players to be birthed into survivor. He loves birth. He keeps using birth. And I guess we're birthing into the merge but the problem is now you've made two random teams and now covered everybody in mud and i don't know who anybody is anymore so i'm not watching a bunch of shadowy figures compete and i don't even know what i'm rooting for yeah like the blob on the left you're doing great yeah yeah immediately you can't tell who i like is that is that rachel or sierra

or i don't know who is that i lost teeny entirely i think i confused her with the background for a while and then i saw her a little while later um yeah it makes it really difficult though genevieve was genevieve genevieve's the one easy person and you know as you know they pointed out on the B&B you know the perfect like where's Waldo clothes to begin with uh very easy to spot in the crowd but yeah I look I understand thematically why they use the mud but it makes it very hard uh to as a viewer to figure out what's going on. But ultimately, we end up with the yellow tribe winning reward and then going right into individual immunity challenge. Yeah, I kind of liked it. I thought it was wonderful. I feel like it's we're so bad that we're so bad. Nature is healing.

Nature. Nature is healing. Yes. Um, the nature is birthing. Nature is doing a lot of things. Um, yeah, I think that the individual immunity, um, is such a like quintessential survivor moment. Um, and so I like giving the players that as early as possible. You know, I think that that's when they really start to feel like I'm playing for myself.

I'm a player in my own right. Um, and I'm fighting for my life in this game with this wibbly wobbly thing so um yeah i thought it was wonderful i really liked it yeah it was great i mean frankly i think we just could have done without the whole first part like uh i don't know if it's like like really good just lined everybody up it's like okay the top six people are getting the merge feast like that would have been fine we could have saved like 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah. You run from here to here, whoever's fastest. You get a feast.

No, I think for like the first six people out, you're like not, and again, this would not be the challenge. I think that would be best to do that. I think you want something that's a little bit more of like a test of wills of like, okay, like, you know, you want to be holding on as opposed to like your ball falls off. But like, I think they could have just done the same exact comp and then whoever are the

last six in the comp, they ultimately win a reward. Yeah. I think that they like the, um, the giant wall. They do. They do. The warped wall. Is that what they call it? The warped wall.

Yes. It's, it's symbolic. There's like, you know, they're really ascending to the next level of the game, which by the way, warped wall yes it's it's symbolic there's like you know they're really ascending to the next level of the game which by the way warped wall difficult warped wall covered in mud that's a whole other could you do that did you have that oh yeah yeah i did that yeah i i yeah i did it quite well actually wow look at you easy and fun but um i think i would struggle with it i'd be worried because it's like that well because once you don't get it the first time then you fall down you like rip your arms up uh yeah now you have a rash yeah yeah there are people on my season who had um you know uh warped wall burn for the rest of the game i'll tell you but um yeah it i thought it was really fun i also love that they

um stacked up the uh sandbags the giant bag the sandbags i thought it was really fun i also love that they um stacked up the uh sandbags the giant bag the sandbags i thought that was really smart i think the key to the warped wall rob should you ever have the opportunity to try it it's really it's really a commit to the bit moment like i think you just have to absolutely throw yourself at it and if you're nervous at all it's like it's like it can smell fear and it's not going to smell fear. Okay. Yeah. And the mud on your shoe is not also ideal for that, but yeah, I thought it was a nice comeback story for yellow and they had to stack the bags. And then the table maze even was, you know, it was Gabe and Rome and they were just like spamming the controls the whole time. That's not how you do it on survivor with the table maze. Yeah. Not how you don't on survivor

at all. It's interesting though, because I mean, people have, uh, I don't, my memory is not strong enough to know this. People have certainly had that approach to the maze. I don't know if anybody's won with that approach, but there have certainly been people who have done those like huge moves and then like skipped over a bunch of holes i understand the thought but after it doesn't work several times i do think you you may want to abandon that particular strategy that's not rome style people are behind right yeah yeah he'll go through with it no matter what yeah okay i want to talk a little bit about genevieve who that there was this moment in the episode where uh there's suddenly a sign and uh i don't know they like, like what was the Tuku tribe doing that they didn't notice this sign all of a sudden at their camp that says, okay, read the sign.

It says, okay, there's an advantage. But I kind of thought that there was going to be a little bit of like a moment of, oh, I can't believe that person went out to go look for the advantage. But Franny, it was a mad, uh, idle hunt, uh, for everybody. Were you surprised that everybody was just so like, uh, nakedly open about, okay, we're all just going to go look for the thing. Yeah. I think that, um, I think that the reason people did that, the reason it makes sense to me is because it's so obvious, like there's a sign, it kind of feels like you're supposed to, I was actually more surprised that they gave up so quickly and they sat down and just chit-chatted.

It was like when you all had to look for the keys. Yes. Yeah. So it's like, you don't want to be the person who's sitting in the shelter. So it's a group activity. Yeah. Yeah. You'd be like Bruce, like, Oh, I'm not going to go look for the money. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You don't want to be that person. What do I need to go waste the calories for? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of Bruce, that I was watching the episode with my kids and they were like, dad, isn't this the challenge that Bruce cracked his head open on? I was like, yeah, I think when they had to go like under the mud. Yes. Yeah.

That really, that struck a nerve with your kids, I guess. They really remembered that one. Yeah. It's dangerous. And actually that, the one that they had to go under, it seemed really low. Like they had to submerge to go through. You kind of think that maybe they would like take that one out of circulation. Yeah.

I mean, they had a pretty worst case scenario occur yeah they were like let's run it back a couple you know what they were like but they like uh hey look look how it turned out yeah yeah they're like i give him a second chance no harm no foul his head's fine look at him um yeah it's it's dangerous and it also yeah very messy very viscous um i remember uh jeff said on on fire that they make the mud in-house yeah um yeah i felt like they changed up the recipe a little bit it was a little something different yeah it seemed thinner than uh yeah very thin merge mud yeah it's completely different yeah so they all go out and they're looking for the advantage and there's this great moment where genevieve and sam spot the buoy and she's like what about that he's like ah no that's

that's there that's uh i think i've seen that before sam has never even looked at that beach before and he's like that's your classic buoy they got those everywhere yeah in what world yeah um i actually thought it was uh helpful for Genevieve that that was the moment in which she first saw this advantage that she like, obviously later goes back and retrieves because the fact that she and Sam very much discovered it together and wrote it off, um, makes it so that when she does go back and find it, it doesn't look like she's, oh wow. Genevieve is, you know, she's so sneaky. She's going out and she's searching more than the rest of us. Um, I think it helped her that, that she found it in a pair. It makes her seem less threatening. Yeah. And Genevieve ends up, she comes right back and she

ends up telling everybody that she has the advantage and it's just like, it just says, okay, well tomorrow you have an advantage. So, uh, that that's that. I feel like that this was overall a very good week for Genevieve. I do feel like that, you know, that that that image of her not being muddy, different than the rest of the cast is so striking. If she ends up winning the season, we'll go back and we'll like look at that picture. And it was right there. It was right there, everybody. Everybody else was desaturated. She was the one person that was still in color and it was obvious they were telling us right away. But I also feel like that the Rome going out in this way, I think is a net positive for Genevieve. And I know that it sounds a little counterintuitive because that was her closest ally, but I think that Rome was going to potentially be an anchor for her. And now she's really free to play her own game. And now you can't,

Teenie and Saul can't say, Genevieve and Rome are like this. Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of great things for Genevieve this week. I actually think it's great. And this is maybe coming from a chip on my shoulder. I think it's great that she didn't win the challenge because I think, like I said,

there's such a visual difference between her and everyone else. They're, they're covered in mud. They're exhausted. She's coming in fresh as a daisy. I think if she had also won now, she has like all this exposure. It's really hard for her to like reduce her threat level and then move through the rest of the game. So I thought it was good that she was like, Oh, oops. You know, I fell out too. Just like the rest of you. And she's interesting. I'm really excited to see where her game goes going forward because somebody said, I actually don't remember who it was. Somebody said in the episode tonight that Teenie is an interesting player because a lot of people want to work with her. People are like gravitating towards her, which might make her threatening.

I feel like Genevieve might have that same quality, but people aren't saying that about Genevieve, which makes me feel like Teenie is going to, I mean, I hope not because I love watching Teenie, but I could see Teenie, you know, sort of rising and falling, whereas Genevieve is going on this slower trajectory before people realize that she's kind of in that same role.

Yeah, I think that she might be in the most interesting spot of any player in going into this merge because I just don't know what her path is now. I don't think she's in danger. I think that she is has a really great social game and she has some really great strategic instincts also. So I think she's going to find her people and I think that she's going to be a real force. Yeah, I'll tell you, Genevieve was my winner pack from the very beginning. What did you see? Um, um, you know, uh, I thought she was really, really pretty, really did it for me. Um, it's true. That smile, it really got me. Um, yeah, ever since the, uh,

ever since the promo dropped for 47, I was like, who's that? Um, maybe I was drawn to the Canadian something. I don't know. But her, um, I was so disappointed the first two episodes and we didn't see her. I was like, where's my girl? And then she comes back. Now everyone loves her. I'm like, yeah, I've known this whole entire time.

So I hope she wins. Yeah. I think she really has something. So I think that she's somebody, uh, who could do some damage here in the post merge now she was out looking for the advantage and meanwhile everybody else starts to like find some evidence of the red paint that fell on the floor now sue from before everybody even came she said oh they're coming here to our camp. You know what that means? They're going to search my bag.

Why? That was so funny. Since when? Since when? What is that? Like if they come to your camp, they search your bag. Everybody knows that. Yeah, it's part of the deal.

They say, I got to go wash my idol off. They're going to go through my bag. Yeah. Well, it was also there. Yeah. It was a two pronged hilarious moment because it's like, Sue, why do you think that? But then also she just had like a paint covered thing in her bag this entire time. Like, wasn't that very messy?

Like, I feel like her clothes, like everything has to be covered in paint. That happened like five days ago. Yeah. No, I think it was a long time. Yeah, I love Sue watching her like go through this moment. I think that she doesn't like, I think that others would have handled it differently

and it would have been more like locked down. But I kind of love that she leaves this trail. You know this, I texted you, but I recently did a rewatch of ABC's Whodunit. Yes. And this felt like an episode yes perfect yes yeah i didn't put two and two together yes yeah it's very much like this the splatter pattern can we you know triangulate may unearth the clue is very whodunit to me i loved it

it. Rome. Yeah. You are scared. That's the tree male. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's just scared and Rome goes. Yeah. That show was so good. If anybody hasn't seen it, so good on the rewatch. Yeah. But it did feel like a murder mystery and i also loved like i found it a little odd that when um tiana and caroline ran into sue with the paint blood whatever um a couple episodes she bit her tongue she bit her tongue and then licked herself all over um yeah she handled that so in such a funny way um i was playing with the machete by the water well yeah as one does um but i was surprised that they didn't like follow up on it more i mean they were suspicious enough to mention it in a confessional they clearly noticed it but um didn't seem like there was a ton of follow-up so i'm so glad we got that

resolution it was like very satisfying. I really liked how Caroline handled it. She's like, you know what? I put two and two together. Like, wow, Sue's really playing the game. I'm like, I'm not going to say anything about this. This is really good. Yeah. Yeah. Caroline goes, that Sue, that Sue. Yeah. I was, I was very pleasantly surprised because I think for Caroline, it would be so easy to react very emotionally to that. Be like, you know, Sue got this idol. She didn't even tell me I'm her number one ally. Now I don't trust Sue. I love that Caroline was just like, I got you girl. There's no, there's no question about it. And I think that Caroline is really like, um, she seems to me very much, she describes herself as a mother hen for her

tribe. Like it really feels like she's trying to pull people in and get people to work together she just did it with the amulet as well um so this like this very much aligns with like my perception of her as a player yeah um yeah i don't know if that's i don't know if that will continue to work well for her because at a point she said we should do something besides just she's a glue gal uh we heard sam say early on that he's the glue guy uh i think caroline is the glue gal because you have like sort of like these disparate people in this tribe and really if there's one tribe that has the numbers it's too cool they only went to one that one tribal council and it seemed like that okay all right they're gonna get to the merge and

they're gonna like throw tiana overboard she's trying to to throw Gabe under the bus. And when they get to the merge, that's an easy one. That is not what happened tonight. Kyle is sort of like emerged as somebody who has some good social bonds. I think that he's an easy person to root for also, especially with his story and Rome tried to throw him under the bus

and it sort of boomeranged back on Rome. And so this watch out here, this could be Tuku's post-merge. This is what I'm saying. I actually felt this last week too, but Tuku feels to me like, it feels like Ratu from my season. They have this insane early tribal. Um, it seems like they're very divided and they're going to have a lot of issues, but then when it comes to merge, they actually just work together the whole time. Um, I sort of see that happening for to goo. Like they have these, these differences, but I don't think that any of those lines are so, um, sharp. I don't think that anybody has such a huge issue with another person

that they're actually going to fracture based on that. I think that they're more interested in working together. I guess the exception there is Gabe.

He seems to have, it was a pretty quiet episode for Gabe. Actually, I was a little surprised by that. You talked about how Survivor,

the pre-merge is elementary school. The post-merge is high school. I didn't take to that. I feel like post-merge is high school i didn't take to that um i feel like post-merge is like you know phd like give yourself a little more high school like you know what's elementary school for survivor casting yeah elementary school is casting or no no no no no no no no casting is middle school squarely middle school elementary school is when you're watching survivor and you're deciding that you want to apply. Casting is

middle school because you're awkward and you're like, am I the worst at everything? And then you end up okay. Yeah. Pre-merges high school and then you go to college. Exactly. Yeah. Because, because also, okay, let's, let's take this analogy a step further because elementary school, high school, you're very much following a prescribed path, right? Like you are taking the classes that you're being told to take. You are being a well-rounded, educated person. University, you differentiate. You pick your own path.

And that's the point in the game where you decide what your game is going to look like. You've got to go off the rails a little bit. This is great, Franny. I love it. This is awesome. I love talking about school. That's why I'm so fired up about full tilt boogie full tilt full tilt boogie yeah yeah oh my gosh i want to talk a little bit about rachel uh that she was sort of the focus of the opening of the episode and she was with annika and And then ultimately she is there, gets blindsided that Annika ends up going home. How do you think that Rachel handled this? And how do you think Rachel is set up here post-merge?

I like her a lot. I'm like really, really excited to see where her game goes. I think that she handled that blindside super calmly. I liked how, I don't remember exactly what she said, but I like how she reacted when they were talking about it in a full group, you know, saying like, I just want to understand what happened. Like, I'm not upset. We're playing survivor. So I think that she is really portraying to the rest of Gata that she's willing to continue to work with them. And, um, she was at the survivor social hour and she really made use of that time to make connections with teeny and with Caroline. Um, and she just like strikes me as somebody who will be willing to like go out and talk to a lot of different people. She won't be, um, stuck in the small box of gotcha strong. We have to stick together. So I think that she could make a lot of things happen, uh, in this second stage of the game. Franny. So now we had 13 people tonight and then now we're at 12. Are we headed into split tribal council next week? Oh gosh, I didn't even consider that.

It didn't seem like it from the preview that they didn't mention it. They didn't say like, oh, two people are going home tonight. But I mean, 12 has been when they've done this the last couple of seasons. Your season, of course, had the medical evacuations and then they ended up doing just a little bit different where I don't even want to talk about what happened

because I'm still so upset. Yeah, you and me both, brother. Let's not talk about it. Yeah, but it does feel like that we are headed into, it would be a surprise if they didn't have the split tribal council. Yeah, that didn't occur to me until you said it. I am cautiously optimistic that they will

not because I was so pleased by, as I said earlier, the fact that, um, by eliminating the mergatory that we've seen before they've, you know, reinstated all these opportunities for the players. They have so much to choose from and split tribal is another example of production, narrowing the possibilities, narrowing the options. Um, I, I understand why they do it because I think that, um, I think that it prevents, uh, some of like the huge pile on boats that you can have with a really big tribe. But I also think like, um, when you reduce the number of people who are available to be voted for. Like the, the, the floor is lower for how boring the vote can be, but the ceiling is also lower for how exciting it can be. Like, you know, give the players the

whole room and let them bounce around and see what happens. Um, so I'm, I'm going to cross my fingers that they're not going to do it. I hope they're not going to do it. Yeah. We'll see, you know, in the history of Survivor, you know, there's not that many exciting final 12 votes. So I do understand why final 12, final 11. Maybe you might want to just skip ahead and then get to final 10. But we'll see what they ultimately end up doing with that coming up next week. Franny, we've got a lot of questions here for you. And of course, if people in the chat want to submit their questions uh now

is a great time to do so but i want to make take a moment and mention that we have been working on something that i'm very proud of franny all year long we have been talking about how it has been 10 years since survivor kagian came along and we have been working on the very first rjp original documentary it's called i stan kagian and we did a uh this a series of interviews uh we talked with people from survivor kagian podcasters survivor alumni all to talk about one iconic season that not only changed a Survivor franchise, but also built an online community around Survivor. I, Stan Cagayan, the world premiere that you can see is going to be on October 29th coming up. We're going to air this on the RJP YouTube channel, but I will be in Philadelphia the night before on October 28th for a special

screening of I stand Kageyan followed by Q and A, not Q from survivor. Not Q, who's A? Yeah. Q and A questions and answers. Questions and answers, yeah. So if people want to be there with us for that,

with an after party to follow, you can go to robinswebsite.com slash Cagayan screening. And then for everybody else, you can watch this when it drops on October 29th at 7 p.m. here on the RHAP YouTube. I'm very excited about that. That came out really, really fun. And it's in the style of the,

Franny, I don't know if you're old enough to remember the, I love the 90s. I love the 2000s. I love the 80s. I love the 2010s. Yeah, I wasn't around for that. But it sounds great. Yes.

Yeah. I'm excited. You'll be screaming and cursing when you watch it. Yeah, I hope so. I need more of that. Yeah, actually, Survivor of Cagayan not only changed the Survivor franchise, changed the Survivor of Franny because that was my first ever season of Survivor that I ever saw. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yes. What made you tune into that season um well or you're a netflix baby no god because that's the other thing about survivor kagian of that it it came along in 2014 and changed everything and then after that happened then six years later during covid they put on they they put it on Netflix and then a whole new generation found Survivor Kageyan and said, Hey, I'm going to start watching the show every week. Yeah, no, no, no, no. So I, I watched it in 2014. Um, I think it was maybe the same year as Whodunit. 2013 I think was Whodunit, but it was maybe a calendar year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big,

big time. Um, yeah. So I, um, I didn't watch much TV. We didn't have we didn't have cable. So I really liked like PBS kids, you know, PBS cartoons. And I would watch them after school and I watched them a little too long. Like I knew that I was too old to be watching like, you know, rough with rough, rough men, but I was. And one day I decided that I really needed to expand my horizons. And so I was flipping through channels and I landed on the second episode of Survivor Kageyan. And I was like, what is going on? What is this? And I was enchanted. It was, it was immediately enthralling to me. And then I have not stopped since.

I actually, oh my god so um so the uh kagian ended um around when there was some dance at my school okay um like the day after or like a couple days after the finale of Kageyan, but I somehow the recording ended like a couple of minutes before the winner was actually announced. And I didn't know how to access, like, I don't know if even people were talking on Twitter at that time. I didn't, I didn't know how to find out. They were talking on Twitter at that time.

Okay. Yeah. I had, I had not yet, you know, discovered the gem that is Twitter, but, um, I was so distraught when I realized that I didn't know who won because the recording ended that I, I fell to my knees on my living room floor and I, I got rug burn on both of my knees and I had to go to my dance. Like doing the warped wall. Like doing the warped wall. And I had to go to my dance, my school dance with giant patch band-aids on both of my knees because I had skinned the crap out of my knees. That's a conversation starter. Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was, it was good. It wasn't good. It didn't help my dancing and I didn't have a date, so it didn't help that, but it helped my love for Survivor and that's what's important. Yeah, look at you now. Look at me now look at me now changed everything exactly yeah exactly okay uh your friend of mine owen knight says uh from dalton ross's article jeff said that andy was the last pick in the schoolyard pick oh come on oh no but like if you don't pick it like Andy's the perfect person.

How do they not show that? How do they not show that they should have shown it? Well, now he's definitely going to feel I mean, he's he's got a lot of little tidbits to feel concerned about for next week. Right. There's a lot of a lot of breadcrumbs that could lead to feral Andy making an appearance. That's a little sad. That's a shame yeah okay all right how about um hmm let's see oh uh sifu uh was in the chat sifu said this was a good watch season 47 is actually unfolding well what up robin franny oh my god what all the stars are out tonight so great all my favorite people. Yep. Okay. Thundercats wants to know, did Sue out-hinky Rome's hinky vote by voting for Andy? They might assume Rachel threw a vote on Sam or Andy and Sue won't be suspected at all. I do think there's going to be a lot.

You thought that they were trying to figure out the mystery of the broken pot. Wait till they try to figure out the mystery of the votes. Yeah. Yeah. The mystery of the hinky the yeah the mystery of the hanky vote sounds like a nancy drew book it's it's it's gonna be really crazy next week because i genuinely think that um sam and andy and sierra whoever whoever cares about the fact that sam got a vote thrown on him um i don't think they will buy that Rome did it. Like, I think that they will assume

that somebody remaining on the tribe is lying about it. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's going to really sow some dissension. Actually, I don't know if I understand why Sue did that. I don't know why either. You didn't even know that it was her. So you definitely don't. I'm trying to even think of why it would be, uh, for, for Andy.

And maybe she was just so concerned that, okay, well, like if, if Rome does have something, is one vote going to be enough? Like what if somebody throws a hinky vote on me? Yeah. Yeah. I could see that wanting to just, so we got to put two, like what does one thing like that anybody else could just throw another vote on somebody. So like might as well throw two votes on Andy.

Yeah. It's like takes two to tango takes two to hanky. You can't, you know, you can't have just one. I see that. And there's so many votes going on Rome that it doesn't feel like it's going to be an issue.

And certainly for the people that Sue is like aligned with, I don't think that they'll be upset with her for this. This is a great question from paulo from edmonton did they buy the immunity necklace from spirit halloween oh my god it was it it is a it is a corpse of a bat a giant bat a really big bat yeah it, it was so Halloween-y. Yeah, I didn't know what to make of it. This whole season, is that what they're going for? Fall season? Spooky, scary, right?

It is. It's spooky, scary. Yeah. The whole theme is spooky, scary. In the promo, they have the bats. They have a flock of bats. People look up at them. Yeah, I know.

This season couldn't have aired in the spring. They had to have thought it through. I loved it. I am deeply entrenched in spooky season this year. Yes, how so? Do you have a costume yet? Oh my God, yes. Rob, you have so much tv that you need to watch but

are you watching marvel's agatha all along no i'm watching uh the menendez brothers oh that's what i was gonna go as for halloween both of them uh i needed another menendez bro yeah yeah if i was in town i would i have like a you know a cardigan that I was going to tie around my neck and then yeah yeah get some blood or something where speedo yeah that's perfect um everyone will know who you are it'll be really clear um yeah so so uh Agatha all along is a you know show right now on Disney plus Marvel show um and I am going to be Agatha Harkness, the witch and Matt is going to be Joe Locke's character, the teen,

which if you're not watching probably doesn't mean much to you, but anybody who is, you know, they'll, they'll know actually I'm yeah, this Agatha all along airs on Wednesdays. So Wednesday, which was already the best day of the week has become like the most insane

day ever. And, and for the little intersection of people who are watching both of these shows, like we've been having the best weeks of our lives. Um, yeah, it's really fun. Yeah. Well, next week is going to be exciting. That is going to be Halloween Thursday. So, uh, next week's exit interview and know-it-alls is going to be on halloween i wonder if steven will be wearing a costume oh will you be wearing a costume i have to just a speed we won't see it but you will be wearing the speedo actually yes yes don't stand up okay yeah okay i don't want to like the ratings uh to you know be tvma okay yeah yeah i'll'll see if Steven wants to be the other Menendez bro with me. Yes. Okay.

That's a good one. All right. How about Addison wants to know, how do you think that Sam will respond to receiving a vote? We know that Rome was causing chaos, but do you think that that will be the chaos? Will Rome cause some chaos even after he's gone? Chaos will roam cause some chaos even after he's gone.

I don't think that Sam will be outwardly upset or chaotic. I think that he is like social and savvy enough to understand that he needs to keep it contained. But I think inside that shell, he will be freaking out. Like, I think that he, like, like we said, he sees himself as the glue guy and he's been in a position of relative power this whole game. And I think that that will like we said he sees himself as the glue guy and he's been in a position of relative power this whole game and i think that that will really freak him out um and and i think that he will be really interested in um making like a cross tribal alliance getting people on his side uh next week it's gonna be interesting i do feel like that there is a little bit of a gender divide going on uh with this group i feel like that it seems like the women are and and I think that the women outnumber the men.

I feel like that there is some momentum there to potentially, you know, I don't know if that's ultimately like what's going to be the story of the post merge. But I just feel like that there's maybe some momentum building towards. feel like that there's maybe some momentum building towards we saw caroline and rachel and teeny and talking about that maybe and obviously uh sue uh could be part of that genevieve is looking for something so at least like the specter uh and that and sometimes just the specter of the women's alliance can cause the guys to do all sorts of crazy things yeah the specter is more than enough um i, I think we had teeny on though. Next time on saying we're going to eat the men. Um,

I mean, it'll be a perfect Halloween night. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be very spooky. Scary. Um, yeah,

no, no prosciutto next week. Just the men for reward. Um, did teeny get drunk at the, uh, merge feast? I think so, for sure.

Yeah. I think she deserved to have a little fun. She's had a crazy, crazy... A wild couple of days. A couple of weeks. Yeah. How was that Merge Feast compared to the Merge Feast that you had? Oh, I think it was the exact same thing.

Exact same thing? It was charcuterie. Yeah. Which is honestly really, really good. Really, really good. Now, I personally am not a big charcuterie yeah which is honestly really really good really really good uh now i personally i'm not a big charcuterie guy it did come up uh figure i know you're not a uh a big brother gal correct uh it did come up prominently in this last season of big brother i just feel like that uh the the meat the fatty meats seem, and the cheese seems like, uh, you know, a recipe for disaster.

Yeah. I was actually thinking about this during the show because, um, from a calorie perspective, uh, the show's really doing them a favor because, uh, it's really, it's really calorie dense. Calorically dense. Yeah. Incredibly calorically dense. Yes. Um, they also had nuts, cashews. If you've never looked into it, shockingly calorically dense, you wouldn't believe how many calories in a cashew. Um, um, if I knew off the top of my head, I would tell you, but I'll just tell you there it's a lot. Um, so from that standpoint, it's good, but yeah, on the stomach, I think, but it's not a lot of carbs. Uh, it's like a lot of like, uh, yeah, it's a little bit. Yeah. They had bread. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, they had bread. I think that, you know, their bodies are so starved that the, you know, they don't need bread. They just need as many calories as they can get.

Breadsticks. Though I'm sure that they had some yakkers from that. Yeah, Sam said, I'm going to get sick. He also said that he's tried pineapple. And guess what? Breaking news. He's a pineapple guy. Sam is the most pineapple-y guy ever. It's crazy that he tried a pineapple for the first time on the show. Like he screams pineapple. Um, yeah, he

looks like a dude who would like alone in his dorm room, eat pineapple cubes. Um, so he does wear a bright yellow shirt. That's probably why I'm thinking this. It's actually just a converse. And Party Rock says, is breaking up Sam and Sierra next? There's so much pre-merge speculation about them. I'd have to imagine that they're the new target.

I mean, Franny, you wouldn't know anything about people trying to break up a guy and a gal that are working together, right? Not familiar to me, No, you've not heard that story. Yes. No, no. I've, I've heard this tale before. Um, yeah, I, uh, I think that that will be an issue. Um, I think that, like I said, there's sort of this like, um, moment of breaking open when somebody has a vote put on them. Um, even if it's just as a decoy. So the fact that like Rome put Sam's name on parchment, people saw Jeff read it. It puts his name in people's minds in a way that it may not have been before. And I think that even though you're all living together, you're all

staring at each other every day. It's really easy for some people to hide um you kind of just like forget the i don't want to say forget that yeah but is there like an air of invincibility around people that haven't gotten a vote and then once the seal is broke that's like oh yeah okay you can get votes yeah well it's like it kind of doesn't occur to you and then suddenly you're like whoa whoa, I could vote for Sam. Somebody did it. I could vote for Sam. Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic. I think it just like it puts the name on the table.

And once it has been put on the table, it might sit on the table for, you know, the rest of the rest of the show, but it can't be removed. Who do you think is more likely to be targeted, Sam or Ciara? I think Sam, because I think that Sam was already mentioned this week as a big threat. We had this conversation with Roman Kyle. Clearly, that conversation didn't go so well and blew up in a lot of ways. But they did both agree that Sam was the biggest threat of the men. I think that he seems like somebody who could be a physical threat. I think that his like glue guy shtick is accurate, but also like really obvious. Like it's, it's obvious that he thinks

he's the glue guy. And like, there's a point where you actually don't want to be the glue guy because then everybody likes you and you've become a threat. So, um, I think that he, he's just, he's just like a bigger target than Sierra at this point. And especially if there is, um, either like a specter or reality of a women's alliance, um, people might be more inclined to like work with Sierra and keep her around if they want that option. Right. Franny, anything else on your mind about Survivor 47? Oh man. Um, I've just had so much fun with this season. Um, I was trying to figure out what it was and I think this is the first season, um, since 43 where I haven't

like met the majority of the people, like almost even before the season starts. Like I, I've certainly, I've met some of them. Um, some of the people that I've met and I really like are no longer in the show. So that's sad. But I think that I feel this separation and that separation is allowing me to view them as characters again and allowing me to be more, you know, maybe more judgmental of the things that they do, but also like really excited when they make really good moves. Um, and I, there's just something different about feeling like you're watching your friends. Like, you know, they're your friends, you support them no matter what, like you're, you're excited about their highs, but you're, you stick with them through their lows.

Um, when you're watching characters on TV, you're like, you stink. Um, and I, you know, that's the experience. Yeah. That's the fun. Yeah. And so I, um, I have enjoyed that separation, um, and, and really just like purely watching as a fan again. Um, it's been so much fun. So I'm, I cannot wait to see where it goes next. Okay. Well, Franny, uh, you've done such an incredible job. Uh, not just me, uh, relevant moose says Franny has been amazing on the podcast

oh my god check this out uh from wild west you got a new fan after tonight's pod wow i feel like i'm doing well with the like florida the best in the game brandon donland says she's a star oh my god stop stop my head yes steven says franny was the best part of 44 and even greater podcast guest oh my god somebody paying these people under the table to comment oh my god thanks yes and we missed you at the live. I know you said you don't want to see too many of the comments, but you know, Hey. Oh man, I missed going to the live show. Yeah. You got to share. I, yeah, man. I'm so, I just got to take a moment to appreciate you for, um, all that you do and, uh, having those events, like the live show, like they're so much fun. It's such a like crucible for survivor excitement and knowledge and joy. Um, we're

going to put that on the poster for the next one, Franny. Crucible for survivor excitement and fun. Yes. Okay. Well, if anybody missed it last week, uh, that I I'm so proud of the, uh, the job that we did getting out the video for this one. Uh, we worked with a great, with a great new videographer, multiple camera angles here on this one. So if you want to check out all the fun that we had, over two dozen survivors on the stage with us in New York City last week. Very, very fun.

If you want to go back and check that out at our YouTube channel at robertswebsite.com slash YouTube. Then of course, everything in our Survivor podcast feed, including not just everything current about Survivor going on at weknowsurvivor.com. You can also check out Josh Wigler and I are also... Now, Franny, when you started following Survivor Cagayan, did you stick around for Survivor San Juan del Sur? So here's the craziest thing in the world. So I started watching Survivor Cagayan. I was like, this show is insane.

I can't believe I've never heard of it. I love it. And then next season, San Juan del Sur, lo and behold, Reed Kelly went to my high school. Wow. So I was watching the next season of the show and I was like, holy crap, that guy probably, he could have had the same locker as me. Like, and I was watching it while I was in

high school. And I think that that is what set the seed that led me to eventually believe that I could apply and be on the show. Cause it felt so real. I was like, that person was here and now he's there. Yeah. This is my origin story. Yeah. I mean, this is what they should have flashed back to this on the show. Yeah. Where was my like poker table style flashback to me skinning my knees during the finale of Survivor Cup? Yeah. I don't know why they didn't show that, though.

I will say, and I'm going to call out my high school. They have this like huge like plaque of Reed and how exciting and special he is because he's on Broadwayway and on tv no plaque for me okay come on i didn't make it right i didn't get a plaque my mom's the principal of the school and i said she's principal they would have thought it was a nepo plaque nepo plaque but but i said like your first act your first big act as principal should be to get me a plaque because it's a little it's a little awkward that i don't have one um yeah so that's that's my yeah yes yes i need to be like gabe i want my forever legacy etched in stone okay don't settle

for less yes one of the faces of the mount rushmore of your high school yes there's a lot actually actually my high school just like the briefest of tidbits, um, weirdly high, uh, numbers of, of children that go on reality TV because we had to self read. Um, uh, there's a pair of twins that went on some dance competition. Um, and then, uh, uh, kids baking competition, the winner of kids baking competition also went to my high school the daughter of my math teacher what's it called hill murray no i mean the kids baking competition like it's not that's not the name of it right they didn't like optimize for seo that's fine that's the name i'm sorry that's my high school um you didn't want to know that about the address? No, I think it's literally called Kids Baking Show.

Kids Baking Show? Was that on PBS also? No. Yeah, that aired right after Fetch with Ruff Ruffman. This is a real, and it was a big deal. Kids Baking Show. Not like MasterChef Junior. No, no, no.

It's on Food Network. It's called Kids Baking Championship. It was a really big deal. Okay. Yeah. Paige Gaynor. She big deal. Okay. Yeah. Paige Gaynor. She killed it. Okay. There you go. Alright. No relation to Mariah Gaynor?

No relation to Mariah Gaynor. No. Yes. Shout out to our last Mergatory Boot. Oh, yes. It all comes full circle. That's why they pay you the big bucks speaking of full circle survivor san juan del sur was also 10 years ago and airing currently and so josh you're trying to do your closeout and i really know we're having we're having a

great time josh wiggler and i have been going through uh and this past week it was 10 years ago uh on tuesday ke Kelly Wentworth got voted out of Survivor San Juan del Sur. We talked about all of that in each week. We are commemorating the 10 year anniversary of San Juan del Sur talking about that week's episode. You can find that more at weknowsurvivor.com. You don't watch the summit, do you? And did anybody from your high school go on the summit? Not yet. I have watched bits and pieces of the summit. I've heard that episode two is an absolute doozy.

A banger. Yes. A banger. So I haven't made my way to it yet, but I think it's on the watch list. It's going to happen. All right. A new episode of the summit aired tonight.

Lots of sneak previews during Survivor. Chappelle and Taryn Armstrong are breaking down the summit in our, we know reality TV feed. You can catch that when you subscribe at, we know reality tv.com. Then love is blind. You don't watch this. Love is blind, right?

Even though you met your significant other on reality TV, but not, not in a pod. There's a, yeah, I would have, despite, you know, being a person who fell in love on on a tv show i i would never have done this yes there's a difference yeah i'm not i'm not a viewer but

you found love not in a pod at poderosa at poderosa yeah yeah um yeah i prefer to see my uh perspective lovers may they be covered in mud birth birthed into the game, whatever they may be. I like to really like to look them in the eye, you know. It's a different approach to love. Yeah. They seem to have figured it out. OK, well, you won't want to miss the season seven finale when Survivor Zone, Asia Welsh and America. Talk about Love is Blind season seven finale.

Okay. And then over on the Golden Bachelorette, America Tells All, America caught up with Marianne last week, the recap episode five. America will have a new episode of recapping the Golden Bachelorette when you go to americatellsall.com. And then on Friday, I'll be live with the patrons taking questions for a couple of hours on Friday afternoon. We go

through everything that you all are thinking at home and we'll answer your questions live for the patrons at 3 p.m. Eastern on Friday. So there you go. That's at robinswebsite.com slash patron. Frannie, what's coming up for you? Oh gosh, what is coming up for me? Well, I am potentially looking to apply for PhD programs this fall. So yeah, so that's a little intimidating. I'm quick and in my boots,

but I'm also very excited about it. The prospect of going back to school is very fun to me. Um, I also need a new physical challenge now that I've run a marathon. I definitely like came back from survivor and was like, Oh, I guess I'm a jock now and athletes like engage, engage physically. Um, so I've been playing, uh, like adult rec volleyball. Um, I'm going to pick that back up too, but I need to come up with my next challenge. Did you play that at any level previously? Um, I stopped playing volleyball, um, sophomore year of high school, actually right around the time I started watching Survivor, um, to do musical theater and said, actually, oh, a moment that I wanted to mention from the episode that absolutely cheesed me. I thought

it was so funny when, um, teeny and Sam realized that they played the same role in a show. Mike TV, which of course they were both Mike TV. Like it makes perfect sense. Um, I had that same moment with Kane Fritzler. He and I both played nicely, nicely Johnson in guys and dolls. Wow. Watch that connection. That could be big. Did you like do the part and trade lines back and forth? So once we got to Ponderosa, we did a karaoke night with Matt and Brandon Cottom. And we we did do Sit Down, You're Rocking the Boat. Really brought the house down with that one. Yeah.

Actually, Brandon Cottom and Matt sang Part of Your World. Actually, Brandon Cottom and Matt sang Part of Your World. And Brandon Cottom did just a, you know, beautiful Jasmine. Wow. The falsetto was crystal clear. And yeah, it really took me places. Yeah. Like a magic carpet ride. Way up here, it was crystal clear.

Exactly. You were in a whole new world with Brandon. And it, and it was called Ponderosa was the world. And I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, what a, what a beautiful way to end the podcast. Franny, uh, it's such a delight when you come on. And so, uh, I hope that we can do this many, many times over and you don't get sick of talking about survivor after 10 years in this world. After 10 years, I had, I had a moment this summer where I was like, I need to take a little break. I got off Twitter. I got, I cleansed, you know,

I ran a lot. It's good. It's good. Cause it, you know, it can be a lot. And also people on Twitter, like there's a lot of negativity and it's easy to forget that we all watch this. Don't get me started. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you've seen it, but yeah, I'm back. I love talking with you, Rob. It gets me all fired up. So thank you for having me. Great. Well, thank you. Thanks everybody who joined us here live. This was a very, very fun episode and even more fun recap. We'll talk with Rome coming up on Thursday and then Survivor Know-It-Alls coming up with Stephen Fishback at 3 p.m. Eastern. We'll talk with Rome coming up on Thursday and then Survivor Know-It-Alls coming up with Stephen Fishback at 3 p.m. Eastern. I also have Club Condo coming up on Monday night with Chappelle. I think we'll have some fun. Are you happy that Club Condo lives on in the Survivor

podcast world? Yeah, that was such a moment. It really highlighted for me how old Jeff is getting because none of us knew what he meant at all. So I'm glad that you are really bringing it back into the vernacular so that he can feel less isolated and alone. We're keeping it out there. Yeah, and Full Tail Boogie, we mentioned that tonight too. He's bringing back the turns. Bringing it back and bringing back the old merge We mentioned that tonight, too. He's bringing back the turns. Bringing it back.

And bringing back the whole merge. So we appreciate that, too. He's bringing everything back. Yeah. And I love how he's repackaging. He's like, we're doing this crazy new thing. And it's like, don't tell him. Don't tell him. It's normal. Nobody tell him. He doesn't know. Yeah. Next season's going to be like, this crazy twist. We're just

doing normal Survivor. We've got going to be like this crazy twist. We're just doing survival. We've got a brand new twist this season. Two tribes. They're like, Whoa. Oh my God. There are people who've never seen that. There are new era fans who don't know what that is. So we're going to blow your mind. This season's 39 days. All of us, we have to be really quiet. We have to say, wow, what a good new twist that is good

that is good that's he's always killing it okay all right thank you so much for joining us take care everybody have a good one bye