RHAP: We Know Survivor - Gabby Pascuzzi Talks Survivor 48 Ep 10

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

This week, Rob and David vs. Goliath's Gabby Pascuzzi discuss Survivor 48 episode 10!

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cicernino back here for a special interview here today as we welcome back great friend of the podcast, Gabby Pascuzzi. Gabby, how are you? Hello, Rob. I'm great. Thanks for the ding. Yes. Anytime, Gabby. Thank you for being here. And this is the old school interview. And I saw some people, a real wise acre or two scoffed at the idea that you're an old school survivor. What do you think? Are you an old school survivor? No, I'm not. I'm not an old school survivor. But you played in a 39 day game.

Oh my gosh. Is that the new criteria? That's the criteria for me. I'm definitely a pre-new era, but then I feel like the names of the categories are not so catchy. It's like old school, new school, and then new era. We need something to differentiate between new school and new era.

Yeah, how about this? How many days did you play Survivor, Gabby? Longer than any winner of a post My case I'm so excited that you're here and we'll have some fun today talking through a week where Survivor 48 at a crossroads I think that we are at a point, I think, where I don't know if it's too late

to pull out of a nosedive, but it does seem like that we are running out of time to prevent a just real straight shot to the end. It is feeling very old school in a way. Yes, it is. It's so big, perfect for the old school interview. Yeah. But Gabby, before we get to that,

let me just catch up with you. What's new with you? What's new with me? I don't remember the last time we've really sat down in a non-social deduction, like weird game. Well, you played a lot of the Blood on the Clock Tower games that I just didn't like sitting by watching. Like I'm like, I'm like Greg on the white Lotus. I'm just watching

the blood on the clock tower. Yeah, that's creepy, but you've been a good thumbs up to everybody. Yeah. A good storyteller assistant or a narrator, MC, which you're always good at. But yeah, I mean, those games are fun. But now that we can actually sit down and talk, the update, here's the thing when you're in a PhD program is you get very used to people saying,

so you're still in school. And they say that for now I've just finished my fourth year of my PhD in social psychology and that question never ends and I am still in school and then the next question is when will you be done and the answer to that is I don't know. It's supposed to be done in five years but if you ask me to think about how I'm going to finish my dissertation in one year, I would say I don't know how. So the answer is TBD, but I'm still here in Buffalo finishing the PhD. What's the rush everybody?

Okay. Let Gabby live, get off her neck. Yeah, leave me. I'm so happy making $20,000 a year on my graduate student stipend. I really want to stay in this position and not ever move on to anything more. Gabby, so for, excuse my naivete, but then once you are done, is that it? Are you a doctor?

Do you have to go into some sort of like, is there like a residency or you're just like, that you are out and then you are ready to go? Yeah, and then I'm ready to do open heart surgery after I get my doctor, Dr. Ritt. No, yeah. After you defend your dissertation, you are then a doctor. And then it's up to people what they do after that job. Why some people- What is defend your dissertation? Oh my God. This is like Thanksgiving with extended family.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I apologize. It's okay. Well, a dissertation is like the big capstone project that you do in your final years and you write it up. It's a really long paper. Oh, another pro tip is never ask a PhD student like how long they long or like how long, how much more of the paper they have to write. Because it's such a long, it's such a long thing that it's not like, oh yeah, I've got like five more pages. It's not really about like the length of pages.

It's about like the completion of this huge project. So pro tip, I remember Dr. Christian Hubecky saying these pet peeves to me many years ago. And now I'm in the same boat being like, oh, I get it. But it's such a niche thing. Nobody knows. I didn't know anything about this before I did it. But anyway, it's a big project. And then you write it, you send it to your committee. And then the defense is they ask you questions about your work and you have to defend it, you know, like explain why it makes sense, why you made decisions that you did. And what happens, Gabby, if they defend it and you can't basically, you're like, not

that this would happen to you, but let's say hypothetically, somebody was like a bad goalie on their dissertation and they just are doing a horrible job defending it. Do they have to go back? You get get you have to go right again? You have to restart all five years. No, you have to usually do revisions, which doesn't necessarily mean that it was a bad defense or dissertation, but sometimes it means, you know, maybe they didn't follow a certain argument or you need more, you need to do a different set of analyses. So yeah, it's a whole like iterative process. I know this is really Survivor this almost sounds like a final tribal council. Oh Yeah, that's a really good analogy. Yeah, you have to be able to explain why you made all the decisions that you did

Explain how what you did is novel I guess it's it's like defending your big move in Survivor. Like you have to say it's like as if the jury asks, what do you do that's different or new here? And you have to say how you've contributed to the field and how your work is is different, how it's built on everything before it. Yeah, it's like Final Tribal. Okay. So there's been so much hand wringing this week, which, you know, I may or may not have been a part of where that do the survivors need to make a move? What's your take on just from a outsider's perspective on this survivor, Final Seven, who voted out star the other night?

Yeah, I think the question of do the survivors need to make a move is there's a different answer when you're looking at the four that are in majority and the four that were well, I guess now they're in the majority, but the four v four, right? And like, I can't fault the players in the majority for not blowing up their own Alliance because they're in a really strong spot. But what the heck are the people on the outside doing? It's been so frustrating. Some of the people on the outside are trying to do something, but I even fault some of the people that are in the four because for Shaheen and Kyle, like, I'm not so sure that

they are going to win if they stay in the current trajectory. Oh, I disagree. So my, my winner pick post post merge winner pick has been Kyle. And I, why do you say that about Kyle and Shaheen? Because I feel like that if they just go down to the end with Joe, who seemingly has been the person at the center of everything, controlling everything, like I think that the jurors and maybe Kyle can defend his dissertation effectively. But I think as a juror, I would say like, but what did you even do? This was Joe got you all here. You follow Joe.

I disagree. Okay. If I was Kyle and I was defending my dissertation, I'm sure he probably had to do some equivalent, right? For his law degree. I don't know how it works. He had to take the bar exam. I would say that he had a secret thing in the game that nobody else knew about, which was Camilla, who by the way, I also love. I just shout out to her. I don't want to be the person that's, you know, this is a season of duos and I'm only talking about Kyle and you know, I know what it's like to be in the duo, but I feel like

that's what sets Kyle apart is he has this like outside information, whereas Joe is so out in the front with Eva. And then also, I feel like we're being told that Joe is, he's getting like the Mike Turner thing where he's like, well, I'm so loyal. And people are like feeling burned by him as they're going to the jury. And, you know, like this week there was like the montage of him talking to Mary and her feeling like,

why are you telling me this? So I feel like the message I'm getting from that is like, is Joe gonna have friends on his side if he's at the jury at the end? That's like picking a bad committee member on your dissertation. That's like picking a professor who doesn't like you. So all right. Well, if I may challenge your dissertation, then I would say that we're in the case of Mary Ann and Mike Turner, but Mary Ann, of course, has a huge move that she does and gets a blindsides, Omer the final six and then she also goes to the final

tribal council and gives a Great speech and also brings out the fact that she had an idol and also Mike played an idol on her that he didn't even Know that she had an idol, but I feel like the other than Kyle has a secret friendship with Camilla Like I feel like he doesn't necessarily have those I Don't want to say resume points, but like he doesn't necessarily have those, I don't want to say resume points, but he doesn't really necessarily have, you know, exhibit A, B and C to point to that he did work to get David out of the game. And so that's something.

But I feel like if he just goes down the line with Joe, like I still feel like he's he doesn't have any of those Mary Ann great cases to make to the jury. Yeah, I could see that. But okay, what about this is this is the thing about talking about survivor. We're like down this rabbit hole of hypotheticals. We don't know. But that's why you have a podcast, I guess. I am curious if there is an end game where Eva, Joe and Kyle sit at the end. And because Eva and Joe are both there, it's kind of like, it's not that they'll split the votes, but it's sort of like, I don't know, what did you two do that is different from each other? And then like, Kyle could stand out at a final tribal in that kind of a setup. Yeah. You know, why not? It's a, it's a possibility. But by the way,

let me say, I think I love Joe as well. And I, the only reason that I was that I'm saying that is, is sort of because I felt like the like edit has been showing how, how, you know, like David's like, well, you didn't stick to your word, like showing that kind of content. So my reality TV fan brain is like, well, why are they showing that? So I actually think Joe, I think, I think they're playing a really good game. I think getting David out was more beneficial to Kyle than to Joe and Eva though, because that's what I thought too. But then there was no follow up this week where I kind of thought that like, okay, well, this is the beginning of the end for Joe.

But I thought Joe had a real bounce back week. Can you just say he won immunity? They might've gotten him out if he didn't. Maybe I didn't really think that was coming up. If they wasn't down. But what do you mean by when you said that you felt like that your reality TV brain was picking something else up when they were showing Joe talking about, you said you saw him in a different light. Oh, I just mean I'm reading into the, you know, what's so called the edit, the edit

of it's just like the reality TV brain is like, you know, I watched so much reality TV that you pick up on these patterns of the edit. And so to me, we've been shown twice now that potentially people might feel like Joe is doing maybe not a great job with jury management. So my mind goes to, if I was a producer and I had to explain why Joe wouldn't win, that's the kind of thing I would show. But like from a game perspective, I think Joe's been doing awesome. I think Eva's been doing awesome. I think they're such a good duo. I think I just really like Kyle's sneaky duo with Camilla. I just like it.

That's what I love too, but it's not doing anything with it. That's the problem that I was so frustrated with this week where it seemed like that this week where I felt like that, okay, Kyle and Camilla are really the they're the story of the season of like hey they're the secret duo that nobody knows about they've called themselves the most powerful alliance in the game for the first time this week I felt like that Kyle was sort of saying like well I don't know if it's gonna work out with Camilla I may just stand Pat here and to me I feel like that that's that scenario where Kyle goes down to the end with Joe and

the jury says, well, what did you even do to get here? This was, you know, sure, you're a nice guy and maybe we're mad at Joe, but we're mad at you for not doing anything. You could have voted with us. Maybe, maybe. But yeah, maybe we still have to see the climax, the crux of the Joe and, I mean, sorry, not Joe, Kyle and Camilla relationship pay off. I think we are still waiting for that a little bit.

If it was a scripted show, they should probably do it soon. Cause we'll try. If I could put a bird in the scripted, those people that say it's the survivor scripted. Yes. Okay. And that never happens on scripted shows where people are like, is something going to happen? Like what is, what, what is something going to happen on this show that does only on reality

shows that people say that? Oh, I don't know. There have been a few shows that I've been bored by. People were saying that about the white lotus. I'm like, get don't know. There's been a few shows that I've been bored by. People were saying that about the White Lotus. I'm like, get out of here. Yeah, you know, it's a slow burn, slow, slow burn. Is that what this is? The season of Survivor 48 will just say at the end, it was a slow burn.

A slow, what's the opposite of a burn like a fizzle out? Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hopefully not a fizzle out. Hopefully it's just like, it took a minute, but just hang in there. This is the problem with the finale having so many days of gameplay and it is actually some really cool stuff could happen in the final six or five. I don't know. How many do they put in the finale now?

So typically it's five. I think the last season, I think we started with four because it was a two part finale. Oh, see, I can't keep track. We started with four. I say, okay, see it clearly. I don't even remember. So maybe it's not as bad as I think, but there's still some game left to be played. There's still seven, six, five. And so maybe something interesting could happen. And I say interesting, like, I will say, maybe times like this, the 90 minutes feels a little long. But from from like a what I'm interested in, which is human beings and relationships and that kind of thing, I think there's still some interesting things in the season, which is I think it's cool and rare that a that an alliance has stuck together. I think the part that's frustrating,

which people have been talking about online is the inability of those on the bottom to kind of get it together. And yeah, you're right, some of them wanted to, but then there's just no like cohesion, not even cohesion, I just want to see more grittiness or it's like, what do you have to lose? What do you have to lose?

Because that's the thing, you make a move now, yeah, you might go out this week, but you're going to go out next week if you don't make a move. So why not? But I would love to hear you talk a little bit about, you're such a student of human behavior. And so are there things that you're

seeing about this group that you think are interesting? Now I feel so much pressure. Well, so I just taught this semester, I just taught the psychology of close relationships, which is my area of research for the first time. So it was really fun to teach, although I taught it on Zoom, which I was not expecting or used to.

Yeah, close relationships and then Zoom. But they were actually quite engaged because I made them be. But how do you make them be engaged on Zoom? You make participation worth part of their grade. That's good. Yeah, it's really good. I really get some talking. But I think that they you know, then they end up liking it. It's like, I'm the teacher. I know what's best for you.

So what am I seeing? And, you know, we talked a little bit about this like season of duos. And I always think that's really interesting because what that says to me, so in relationships and we can think about these like levels of connection and duos, that's a one-on-one relationship.

That's called a dyad, which is two people., that's a one on one relationship. That's called a dyad, which is two people. And that's often what we think about with close relationships and how we belong and how we connect with people as we think about our close relationships, like your relationship with your wife, your relationship with your best friend, things like that. And those are often our closest relationships. But we can also get belonging, feel like we belong, we're connected to others through bigger groups, like a bigger alliance of four, like a group, a social group that you belong to,

maybe like RHAP as a community. And so I think it's really interesting to see like the levels of trust corresponding more or less with these levels. It's what we would expect in psychology, right? Your closest level of trust is more or less with these levels. It's what we would expect in psychology, right? Your closest level of trust is gonna be like the smallest unit. And then you have like a little more trust

with the bigger group. And then it's kind of like, how far out does that go? But this season really has seemed to be about trust. Like you hear the majority, like I think of Eva, a lot of the time being like, I really trust these people. I'm just gonna go to the end with them. And it's so cheesy, but Survivor really is about trust. But then it makes me wonder about what those

on the outside are doing. And we heard, for example, Mitch say this week, he doesn't trust Star so he can't work with her. But who does he have better trust with? I don't know, at least. And if I'm looking at, again, these groups and these dyads, Mitch isn't really a part of a dyad or a duo. So he doesn't have someone he has close trust with.

And so if he's expecting that level from Star, who's like a relative, you know, sort of stranger, like, I don't know, you've been together for 20 days or whatever at this point, you can't expect that level of closeness because you don't have a duo in this game. You don't, you can't expect that same level of closeness. You have to be okay with these, a little bit of like looser ties, as we say, for example, it would be like your acquaintance at or your co-worker. Well, I don't know. You have a weird job.

So let's say I had a friend. So you have an acquaintance, but it's like the people that you meet at the water cooler. They're not your best friends. You're not like in a dyadic, you know, really close one-on-one relationship with them, but you have an acquaintanceship with them. But sometimes maybe you need to work with them on a project. And that's kind of what I'm feeling with Mitch, where it's like, start your coworker. You have to have 100% trust. You just have to work together on this project. Yeah.

Anyway, that's my take on these levels of friendship. I almost feel that Mitch is treating her more like, well, I'm not going to work with her. She's the office pariah. Nobody will like me if I work with the person that we said that we're not working with. Don't pair me up with her. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I can understand his thought process because I think it's like, he's thinking,

let me survive one more day and then I'll see what I can do tomorrow. But as tomorrow comes, you have fewer opportunities. It gets harder. He gets harder. You don't have as many numbers. Also, what happened? I thought he taught her how to swim. I thought that takes trust.

Well, that was her trusting him. He wasn't gonna let her make sure the pit bull was chained up or anything like that. I didn't, I like missed the first, I guess, pivotal five seconds of that story. So I had no idea what was going on. I turned to my friend, like, I don't know, we were getting up getting a drink or something. And I was like, is he talking about a dream he had last night? Like, is this, what is this like story? Mailman Mitch became like a big part of his storyline, his former job working as a postal

employee. Oh, my cat was, is knocking on my door. It's like, I mean, as a cat, as much as a cat can. Yes. And then what'd you, you opened the door for the cat? I opened the door because I'm weak. Your heart is weak of that. You couldn't hear the cat knocking for the whole time? Was the cat, could you hear it? Was it so bad?

No, I couldn't hear it. Oh, okay. Well, the cat, I was hearing noise and I should not be weak and just let the cat in because it's being annoying, but I'm weak of heart towards my cat. Now you have two cats, correct? Correct. Okay. Now do you feel like that the cats have a dyad?

And you're the third or do you feel like that each of the cats feels like that? They are number ones with you. Oh My gosh, they are both fighting to be number ones with me Oh, you are in a lot of ways like the Joe in this house And I think it's interesting and tell me if you think that this is an unusually structured alliance, because I feel like that Joe has this four person alliance where that Joe is Eva's number one, that in Joe's mind, like Kyle is presenting that Joe is Kyle's number one. And also that Joe is Shaheen's number one. And also that Joe is Shaheen's number one. And was also Joe was David's number one seemingly. Whereas that this is a weird Alliance in that it's not like a two and a

two. It's that everybody feels like, okay, me and Joe are doing this. Wow. Daddy Joe, he's killing it. Yeah. Zaddy Joe. And then when David went to him and said, Hey, you know, you went back on your word. Like that was like, okay, that, that was it. And that, you know, Joe's like, I got so many other number ones. I don't need you. So maybe that's why people are going to feel so burned by him. Cause they all thought he was the number one. Cause that's hard. I actually think that's great. That's amazing gameplay. It's amazing social gameplay. But then can you own it at the end and be like, yeah, you all thought I was your number one because I'm such a good game player rather than like, I didn't go back on any of you.

But yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Do you think that's unusual though, in terms of like a four person alliance where all the four people are all sort of like Sister wives that they all think they're number one with the one person who's running the Alliance Yeah, that is unusual. That is unusual. But but I wonder Yeah, I guess I didn't think about the fact that like does Shaheen think Joe is his number one California girls like who's Shaheen's number one? This is like Sister Wives, because in Sister Wives, there's multiple wives,

you know, the actual show Sister Wives, where the Mormon guy and he's married to many wives, there's a clear favorite wife. There's one wife who he likes better than the other wives, and that's Eva, except, you know, not wife, but it's Robin is the wife who he likes better than the other wives. And that's Eva, except, you know, not wife, but it's Robin is the wife that he likes more. I didn't know you knew so much about this. I only know that.

I only know that. And all the other wives are like, yeah, clearly he likes Robin the best, which I've heard. I haven't watched this story in a long time, but I've heard that now the wives are finally standing up to him or leaving him or something like that. So just saying, you can't live like that forever, I guess. But I wonder, it is a weird thing because they know that either, do they think he's their number one? If they know that Joe and Eva, I'm

still in awe of like Joe and Eva. I'm in awe that Eva hasn't had to play her advantages. I'm in awe that they, like, they were going to take a shot at Joe. Excuse me, Millie. They were going to take a shot at Joe and then he won immunity. And then they didn't take any shot at Eva. I don't know if they were going to take a shot at Joe. I think it was talked about, but then Mitch wasn't on board. Oh my gosh. Okay. Like they didn't have, they didn't, weren't able to get it together. So I don't know, you know, when that's happening. And then Eva still has the hidden immunity idol and the safety without power. But the thing about safety is that if she leaves a tribal council, that could really throw off the numbers.

For sure. Yeah, exactly. Can you transfer the thing without power? Safety? The question that I think is interesting would be that, and with all due respect to Eva, I don't know if this is a move she's coming up with. Okay. I don't think that she's like thinking about the game on that kind of level.

I think she's just very much playing like a straightforward game. But if there was an Alliance of four, like let's say hypothetically, they did get like Kyle or Shaheen flipped. And so, uh, we're in trouble tonight. If, if Eva was able to say, all right, I'm playing say to that power on Camilla tonight, Camilla, you're out of here. Okay. Camilla can't get one up, but also now, okay. Now it's three, three.

Now it's not a four, three. Oh, you're like, you're using it to save someone that that's it to take away the other side's vote. Take you to go away about. Yeah. Yeah. That's really smart. You should have been on survivor. Yeah. That's really smart. You should have been on survivor. Yeah. When they had these

advantages. I know, I know that would have been like, uh, it could have been, I mean, imagine that's really starting to, I didn't think about that as using it as a block of both. Cause the people that I played with Gabby, like they didn't even really know what survivor was. No. Yeah. You did really well. If some of them were on survivor 50, they still wouldn't even know what survivor was. Yeah. And, you know, who knows what's going to happen with survivor 50 if we're going to get people who know how to play or not. But that's really emergent gameplay. That's a good idea.

I like it. Not 100 percent sure if you can do, but why wouldn't they let you do that if you want to do that? Because I feel like you'd be able to like you know, because would you have to use it on an ally? But like they'd have to do they have to accept like I don't can you non-consensually force. I think you could save you without power somebody. I don't know that you can save you without power someone. But you could, you could, she could present it like it was a get like such a good that you're like Camille, I'm really worried for you. Like take this. Yeah.

You were going to get voted out. Um, yeah. So maybe you'd have to do it that way, but I think you should be able to like safety without power somebody. I like that. Like be gone. Yeah. And you, and you was like, okay, well they didn't get voted out.

They just have to leave tribal council. It was so it was so generous, actually giving them immunity to. Yeah. No, I like that. And then I kind of feel like I even though the other side felt like maybe this was like the real flaw in the plan where the other side's like, they're not going to rocks. The strong four. I think the strong four literally would go to rocks. Like if anybody was going to go to rocks, I buy the strong four going to rocks that they're not going to flip more than like the people that are on the bottom. This like rag tag group that we can't even get them to get four votes on them. I don't think that they're going to rocks.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. I, I don't know the whole thing of going to rocks. Honestly, I sometimes I don't get it because I'm because I think I remember when I played somebody asked me like, would you go to rocks? And I thought I was like, No, no, like thinking that that was the right answer. But then the right answer was yes. Like I always get confused which one is good, which one shows you're loyal that you will go or that you won't go. Yeah. I think it depends on if, you know, somebody's in your group. I think, yeah, I'd go to rocks. It's like you're saying I'm staying the course. I'm, I'm voting this way and I would go to

rock rather than flip. I would show our strength. I would potentially lose randomly. Yeah. I think somebody asked me that and I like, didn't understand. I understood what going to rocks was, but in my, in my fatigue, didn't understand the social implication of what they were asking. And I was like, no, I wouldn't do that. Cause I'm like, why would you do that? But, um, you know, there are reasons to do it, especially if you're on the bottom. Are there any players this season besides these people that are in the core four that

you've really enjoyed watching? I've enjoyed all of them. I really, I enjoyed Mary a lot. I think she's iconic on, on social media. She's iconic. And her dynamic with Say was very fun. And now, I don't know, she's not so much being shown. So I don't know what's going on with that. But like I said, I really, I like Camilla a lot. I think she's so smart and funny. And I love all of her confessionals that were just like, if you

put survivor Twitter into the body of one person and they got on the show and they were like, these people just want to play challenges. It's like the, it's the inverse of the Facebook crowd who's like, I, all I want to see is the challenges and the strong people deserve to win. Like she's the voice of of my people. So I really enjoy her. Star was fun. Too bad we didn't get to see Star be so fun for so much more. What do you think the issue was with Star? Why didn't Star why wasn't she able to get anything going this season?

Oh, I don't know what her strategy for forming relationships was, because the earliest we saw of her was like, I'm going to tell everyone about this thing. Not Eva, but then I'm going to give the thing to Eva, but then I'm not going to nurture the relationship with Eva. Like relationships are very intentional. You have to nurture them. You have to do things. It can't just be you're giving someone an idol and then you don't, that should have transformed

into like such a strong friendship. And it didn't. So I don't, I just wasn't sure if Star was building strong relationships out there. And maybe the people out there weren't her like cup of tea. I feel like that's also a little bit of the theme of like even with Camilla. It's sort of like these people are not the type of gamers that she would really thrive with. And with Mary, I feel like it's like I know her. Like I go to the bars with a girl like

that. And like the strong four are not. We're at different bars. Like we're at Mary and I are at like the dive bar where people have like, Oh, this sounds like club condo. We're at the dive bar. People have blue hair and nose piercings and strong for like at the sports bar next door doing Jaeger bombs. Like it's a different crowd. Different crowds, right.

And that's how the merge works according to club condo theory. Do you think that Star would have done better on a different new era season? Sure. I don't know. I never know how to answer questions like that. Like, yeah, she could've done great. I feel like that just as an outsider watching Star's game,

like Star, I think certainly like was there to play. Like Star was certainly like willing to make moves we saw star who like you know that for whatever reason like I didn't necessarily vibe with the people that she was at with it in the beginning and went out and then immediately went looking for an idol and maybe not in a very like covert fashion and you know Star just like was always on the bottom. And I think like was always, I think, very like willing to like make a move, like, hey, anybody like work with me.

And I just wonder if like in this season, where the gameplay is so like tight, tight, tight, tight, that that was just something that just was not a, you know, a very admirable trait to have somebody who is just like so openly like opportunistic of like, Hey, let's go, let's do something. Who wants to make a move around here? Yeah. I think you're probably right.

Maybe she would have really shown on a season like 46 where everyone found some, I assume substance in the well that they all ingested that made them all go insane. Star would have done a really well on a season like that. Yeah. I wonder if you didn't like last season where so many people were like looking for people to make moves. And there was so much talk about, you know, strategy where, you know, star is like so open and willing to, you know, go for moves and people who are like clamoring for stability. It's like star was just looked at as somebody is like, so they kept calling her chaotic because she wanted to do things, but the people in power like,

hey, let's keep the status quo. We don't need somebody who is such a rabble rouser. Yeah, it's so interesting how the different cultures on each season emerge. And I have no idea why Star was called chaotic. I mean, I guess she was trying to do things, but it's not like she was so chaotic. Like she voted, you know,

by comparison to these people. Yeah, it's all relative. Yeah. You're right. Like we're people like, you know, Mitch make a movie. Like, no, never. I'll never do that. You know, like with stars like, Hey, let's do something like, Oh my God, agent of chaos star. It's interesting. Cause you would almost, if it were me, I would see the outsider who is cozying up to the majority alliance. I would actually see that person as more opportunistic and calculated because I'm like,

oh, look, they're like biding their time, I don't even know what their plan is. It's almost expected for people on the outside to be chaotic. So it's almost like that should negate the chaoticness. It's like, oh, the star's doing what somebody on the bottom has to do. I have no questions about like what star's plan is for this vote.

Whereas these other people that are sort of like the hanger ons of that, you know, who knows what they're up to? Yeah, they could be persuaded to do something by someone more persuasive than you. Whereas Star is gonna be like, yeah, sure, I'll do that. It's like, I'd rather that person than the person where I'm like begging them to do something

and they're like, no, no, not yet. I'm like, I actually can't trust that more. Yeah. So Gabby, this week we saw Jeff Probst offered rice to the contestants. And to me, this was a little sad, the rice negotiation. I wonder if the rice negotiation born into this game when you were out there with Angelina in season thirty seven.

Did the rice negotiation die a sad death this week? They chose such a horrible time to do it. Oh, my gosh. So many mistakes. First of all, half the tribe just ate an entire reward feast. You need three people to sit out. Only four of them are hungry. It's final eight.

It might not be the fourth even or the three that need immunity. Yeah, exactly. Like the crossover, like it just didn't work. And there's too few people. There's too few days left in the game. They were even I feel like they were like kind of I was proud of them. They were like, Jeff, there's only seven days left in the game. Like they can make it, you know, I'm sorry. They're not starving, starving. They have coconut and all that stuff. Like, you know, so yeah, it was it was it was not a good move. I don't know if they're if they're going to get rid of it.

I think Jeff likes it. Shout out to Angelina for being a game changer. In retrospect, we got the deal of a lifetime. We only had to exchange one person for immunity. They got a bag of rice. Yeah, they got a bag now of rice. Right? You know what? I think that then in Survivor 46, they had like individual containers. Like Liz just got like a little like Tupperware full of rice. They were worried about Liz. Yeah. Yes. And last season they had to give away all their shots in the dark. But I don't know, either like they got to do it earlier or just for you.

I mean, it's day 19. There's only seven days left. Yeah, I think you have to do it earlier. And you get a day 26 breakfast. So, you know, you get a reward like every, every day leading up to the final. They're probably thinking I've got a one in two chance to go in a reward. Three people like, and there's also like this, like, it seems like this is a thing. And tell me if this is the case when you played of like all right now if somebody hasn't eaten like there's a lot of pressure you have to take them on a reward. It seems like that's the case. I don't think that was so much the culture on ours. I remember like Alison hadn't eaten and every week she was like can you please take me a known toker and she felt

very excited by that. Alison. Yeah. It does seem to be the culture, but I think also they allow too many people to come on the reward now. Yes. I agree. Out of, out of eight, I don't think four should be going. I think only three should be going. Yeah.

Three should go out of eight. Cause then it actually allows, you know, there's so many spots. So then it allows you to like pick your lines and then one person where you're like, Oh, and that guy has an eight and then it's like, everyone's like, Oh, that's okay. But if it's, if you only get to pick like one or two people, it really shows your Alliance is more people back home doing. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of having it be four and four. Yeah. So that, that would be my, no, I'm compiling my notes. Gabby, I would have bet anything When Kyle won the reward this week,

Jeff was gonna say, oh, I forgot to mention, you're also gonna get your letters. Okay, now make your decision. Yeah, I thought so too. That usually happens around the final eight. So they haven't had any loved one stuff. No loved one stuff. And then is that just would have been like too much

of like putting a finger on the scale in terms of like that it would have picked Joe and Eva. Maybe, but it would have pissed people off more. I don't know. Did they go somewhere else that wasn't the sanctuary this week? It sounded like that Jeff is like, you're gonna go some really cool.

They made a big deal about it. And they went on a boat, which looked sick. And they went to like an Island. And I think we like, we had a reward that was like that. But I think visually, at least on this season, like on the TV, you can't really tell the difference of where they are. Yeah. But I thought the sanctuary was where you go where good things happen. Yeah. Are you telling me there's other places? Other places where good things happen. So what is it? It's almost like, is the sanctuary not like the top tier destination for a reward? Because they seem really excited to go to this other Island. And it's like, it's like,

Hey, we're going to sit like, we've got some things really good. It's not the sanctuary. It's like, Oh my God, not the sanctuary? That's incredible. It's like, where great things happen. Great things happen at not the sanctuary. Yeah, wow. Four star, it's a four, it's a five star reward. Five star rewards.

Instead of four star. I'm interested to see if the letters come up at the final seven reward. I think that would cause good drama because I mean, the letters feel really emotional and people want them badly. Maybe they do do it at the final seven. I'm trying to think back to Survivor 46.

Yeah. So was it that Charlie won the reward and didn't take Maria and that was a whole thing. And so was that at the final seven or the final eight in Survivor in Survivor 46? I don't know. I'm no I'm no twitch like historian trivia person. But but yeah, like you said, like it can cause drama because Maria cried that she wasn't taken.

So who, I mean, okay, here's another thing that I'll say. These loved ones things when people are like, oh, well I have to take so and so because they are a mom or like they have, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, Rob, as you're since you're you have a nuclear family, but the nuclear family is not the only like valid unit of of like love. It's an age old debate in Survivor. Yeah. No one that's always been I mean, in society, like it's like

everything is structured to benefit those with a nuclear family. But like, why would it be worth less for someone to hear from their, you know, unmarried, you know, their partner that they're not married to versus like, well, it's my wife. And with your kids, I get it. I get it. I get it. I don't have kids. But anyway, I just think it's like a bigger topic on Survivor.

You see it in Final Tribal and stuff like that too. It's like, well, I am a father and that means that I deserve to win. It's like, shut up, I'm a 32 year old woman who's unmarried with no kids. I wanna win. I am a mother according to Twitter. Yeah, exactly. Just wait till this season and then I'll be a mother.

Yeah, exactly. It goes back to in Survivor Panama, Aris and Terry debated about that. I remember. They didn't take Aris on the loved ones visit because Aris wanted to see, I believe his mom and Terry's like, okay, well, I'm going to go see my wife. Okay. That's like a little bit, a little bit better than you going to see your mom. And artists really pushed back on that. Why is, why is your married relationship more important than my relationship? Seeing my parents.

Yeah. Yeah. And, and I think a lot of people prioritize romantic relationships over other types of love. I would love to see, like, I just think there should be more like friends that get to write the letters or whatever. Like, I feel like if I ever went out there, I would just want like my friends to write things and people would be so, They'd be crying over like their, their like child drawing them a picture. And I'd be like, look what my like, gay friend who's like a barista said, like that, that's, that's my family. That's my family. It's, you know, it's not a child. It's, this is, it's my friend, but I love them. I want to see more of that. Anyway, we're talking about the loved ones thing that hasn't even happened yet. Yeah, I think it was at the final six on survivor 47, sorry, 46.

So it was like that Charlie won the reward and then he took Kenzie and Liz for the reward, which was at the sanctuary. It was Chinese takeout. And so that did happen to final six. So I think the family does it used to happen at eight. I know they've done it at eight, but it seems like that maybe the letters could be coming later. Yeah, maybe fewer letters.

I mean, back when they did in person, it was at eight because it was for my season. It was. And that's the I got eliminated after I saw my mother. But I would have rather see my wife. What about your gay friend, the barista? Yeah, I would love to see my gay barista friend, friends. I feel like it's multiple gay barista friends. You must not know about gay people, Rob.

They're they're all bar They're all baristas. All baristas. Now, were they baristas first and you befriended them, or that they were your friend first and they happened to be baristas? The latter, but I met them. I met them because they were baristas with each other. I met multiple gay barista friends

because they were gay baristas with each other. So, wait, they were baristas with each other. So wait, they were gay baristas with each other. So they were not dating each other. No, they weren't gay with each other. They were baristas. They were just work together. They were colleagues. They were baristas together while gay.

And you met them both at the work. No, I met one through a different thing. And then you meet the network. And then you get to know every, the barista network, the bartender network, and everyone's gay. I don't want to get anybody fired or in trouble, but can they hook you up? Do they do like a very,

like can they make you like a special drink? Oh yeah, don't worry about that because- An extra pump? My one friend who worked at Starbucks would give me free drinks all the time because it's Starbucks. They can afford. They can afford it. And I know you don't want to get anyone fired, but they actually did eventually. For giving away too many free drinks for too many free drinks, but it would be, but also free food that was about to be thrown out.

So, so I'm like a struggling grad student. I don't make much money. This friend would bring me frozen Starbucks. All their sandwiches are frozen by the way. You know, it's like people are paying $10 for this thing. It's like a McMuffin, it's frozen. It's the thing. And, and, and would give me at the end of a week people are paying $10 for this thing. It's like a McMuffin. It's frozen. It's the thing.

And would give me at the end of a week or two weeks would give me a huge bag of all of these frozen items that if they had not been given away, we're going to be thrown away perfectly good food. So I had like Starbucks stocked freezers. And eventually, but it was more of actually like this union busting thing because this friend was like involved in like the union, like Starbucks, baristas were organizing and unionizing and stuff. And so then they like, basically were kind of targeted, but then also like all this security footage of like, look, here's a time that you took out a cold brew. Do you know how much this costs the company? Like, and it's like three cents.

Exactly. Yeah. Three cents. But they're like, no, you know, $4. It's like, no, it's actually about three cents. So anyway, solidarity with my gay barista friends. And you don't have to worry about getting anyone fired. Okay. Wow. Okay. Well, I hate wasting food. I eat so much like expired food out of my refrigerator because I don't want to see it thrown out. So they should be getting those, those expired sandwiches out to people. Yeah. I mean, I think like they should like corporations should get like a tax cut or something for donating. I just donated. It's so wild. Oh my gosh. And you know what I want to get into that I haven't gotten into because I'm a little scared of germs is dumpster

diving. Okay. Okay. This is good. All right. This is so interesting. And I really, I thought you were going to like say like something like really controversial. Cause you said I want to get into something that I really shouldn't. But okay. So dumpster dive. Yes. You want, do you want to be a dumpster diver? Yeah. Was there another role? Is there like a different thing? You wanted to talk about the subject or you literally wanted to be, I want to try it. I want to try it. I don't know if I can make it my life's work. Starbucks sandwiches?

No, I want to look for like at the back of makeup stores. They throw away makeup and stuff like that. Literally get in there. Like do you watch like a YouTube channel where they explain this? Yeah, there's there's like TikToks. There's videos of people and they go to the back of a Sephora or like a TJ Maxx or something. There's all this thrown out stuff. I'll attempt to go get in and get the Starbucks sandwiches. Yeah, I don't know if they throw those away. I should ask my friend what they used to do at the Starbucks. But is it their fro?

Would they have to like use them by a certain day? Well, sometimes they do really horrible things to that. Not just this company, but they'll they'll purposely damage things so that nobody can have it. So like if it was the sandwiches, they might tear open the bag and like, why would they do that? Because of profit, because I don't know. This is this is a different this is a different coffee. This is a different coffee company that does this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no.

Jimbo names were mentioned. Latte Larry Larry. Oh, good. Joe's store. Yeah. Yeah. It's all right. So tell me about so you're going to go in the dumpster and then will you wear, like, because I would want to get like a scuba suit to go in. Like I would like to dress like a literal diver.

Oh, a literal diver. Yeah. I don't think it has to be like a literal diver outfit. But I think you want to wear gloves, probably. Would you wear a mask? But the woman that I watch, yeah, maybe a mask because of the smells. The woman I watch, she just,

you don't have to actually dive in a lot of the times. You can kind of, I don't know, peer over it or reach. I don't know, but sometimes they're locked off. Would you dive in like Kevin, like when he went into the water? Or is it like, do you get in like very carefully in case there's like glass? Oh, I would for sure get in carefully.

Safety first. But, but who knows what goodies are there. I really would love to find out, but I guess I'd rather talk about it than, than do it because I'm a little scared of just the girls. Get up off the couch, Gabby. You can do it. Yes. People want to see you do it.

They want to live vicariously through you. I wonder if this urge will go away when I'm not a broke grad student. I'm like, for some reason, I'm really wanting to scrounge for things that I need in life because I can't afford to buy any of it. It's so satisfying to find something good that you need in the dumpster. Oh yeah. I mean, I'm like that with thrifting. Like I'm a big thrifter and I am so satisfied when I find a good, you know, something exactly the thing that I was looking for.

Like I'm going to a bachelorette party at the end of the month, which I've, I've, I've actually only ever been to one bachelorette party and it was Dr. Allison's. Oh, okay. Um, and it was a very tame bachelorette party. Is this going to be a less tame bachelorette party? This one will be. And it's also a bachelorette party that I absolutely cannot afford. And I'm going anyway because I love my friend, but it's in Mexico. Whoa. But I don't know if you know much about like

straight wedding culture nowadays, Rob? Try me. I probably, whatever the subject is, I don't know a lot about it, but I would love to hear more about it. Well, it's very, I mean, I guess this is beyond the wedding. I mean, the wedding, they're so expensive now and everything, you know, everything has to be able to look good so it can look good in pictures and stuff.

But this has extended even to things like the bachelorette party, where it is, it's, I received an itinerary that was designed on Canva, you know, the graphic design app. There's different slides for each day. There's one slide for budget. There's one slide for the itinerary, what we're doing, the pickup times and all of this. And there's one slide for dress code. There's a dress code for different events. This is a part of a new thing that I did not know. I mean, I knew, but this is a very,

this culture of Instagram and wedding content. So like one night is a tequila sunrise theme. So we have to all wear a shade of sunset. And one night is, well, this is actually unique to my friend is a Shrek themed dress up party because she loves Shrek. So that one will actually be fun. Yes.

What will you dress as? I'm going to be the fairy godmother from Shrek 2. The fairy godmother from Shrek two, the fairy godmother from Shrek. I felt like there's not a lot of, uh, women's Shrek costumes. I mean, other than like, is anybody going to be green? Well, the, the bride herself is going to be Shrek. So she's going to put the Shrek makeup on. I'm not sure. I don't know if she has a mask, but this is for one of the evenings that we're staying in at the villa and having dinner in.

So we're not gonna be out and about. But you know what, I think as the, like if I was the fiance and I found out like, okay, yes, my bride-to-be is doing the bachelorette party in Mexico, but one of the nights she's gonna be Shrek. Like I think I would like sleep a little easier. Like really, she's not getting so wild.

It's not getting that crazy. You know, if she's going to the donkey show, it means like a completely different context. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that one should be fun. And one of the days is something blue. So then your swimsuit has to be blue. And I don't own a blue swimsuit, but I was thrifting the other day and I found a blue swimsuit and it is my size and it's sparkly blue, like the kind of thing you would wear to a bachelorette. And I bought it.

And now I have the question of how do I wash this thing? Because it wasn't until afterwards where I was like, actually, is it sanitary for me to wear a bathing suit? That was, but I mean, I guess it is if you wash it, right? Why wouldn't it be? I don't know. I'm just thinking about the swimsuit on some other women. So this does sound like a whole ordeal.

This must be a very good friend. This is a good friend. This is a very good friend. This is a good friend. This is a very good friend. And honestly, part of the reason I'm doing it is because I don't know how many of these things I'll ever be invited to because she's one of my few like straight friends that I'm close enough with that is having this kind of a vibe of bachelorette party. Like I was actually at a quote unquote bachelorette for two women that I know that are getting married, two gay women, and they had a bachelorette squared,

but it was just dinner out with wine. So it was very taint, but I feel like this kind of thing is a very specific type of culture that I am not in. Your two women friends, they had the bachelorette party together, right? They wouldn't say that do a gay couple typically have separate bachelor or bachelorette parties? I think it's up to the person because I've even heard of straight people having having

combined bachelor and bachelorette parties if they're like each other. Yeah, people do that. Really? It's just a vacation with your friends. I don't really know what any of this is. Okay, because what's supposed to happen at a bachelor or a bachelorette? Anyway, it's not like you're gonna cheat on your partner. Like, I always found the idea a little weird anywhere. It's like, this is your last hurrah. It's like, you're still in a committed relationship. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So, I guess it's, for some people, just their way to celebrate being with their friends. But I have heard of some people who have a lot of close overlap friends of doing it together, straight and gay. Gabby, my wife had a bachelorette party in Vegas. Wow. Yeah. That's classic.

That's classic. I was like, what the hell? What are we doing here? It's her last hurrah. Yeah. What does she need a last hurrah? Did you get attention? Get like people be like, woohoo!

Yeah, woohoo! Like, oh, me and my 14 friends that were going to Vegas for a bachelorette party. She has 14 friends? She did. A lot of them were coworkers. Oh, oh my God. It's the coworker thing again. These acquaintances.

Oh my goodness. What did you do for your bachelor? My dad just had like a dinner at like a steakhouse. There you go. I'm old school. Outback steakhouse? It was not the Outback steakhouse. It was like a, not a like fast casual. Like it was not the Outback steakhouse. It was like a, it was like a, a, not a like fast

casual. Like it was not Apple piece. It was a very like sit down formal. It was your dad. My dad's usually go to, I don't know that my dad. Can I, can I tell you like, this is like kind of a crazy story that happened. So if anybody's still listening, I'm going to give out my social security number in 10 minutes. OK, so stay tuned. But we had this bachelorette party or bachelor party. And my dad was like, like, he like invited like a lot of people like, like all the men from my family were at the steakhouse.

And like there was like this like, and there was like this, like, there was like a scream outside and my dad's like, hey, the stripper's here. And at this exact moment, a man walked into the outdoor area with his wife or girlfriend or date or whatever. And the man interpreted that when my dad yelled out the strippers here, that he was referring

to this man's date. This man was a rather burly, large man. And he was pissed. This man was a rather burly, large man, and he was pissed. He was just ruined his entire night as he was bright red the entire night. Oh my gosh. I think almost on the verge of wanting to get into a fight. I was gonna say, did he beat up your dad? I think he like on the verge of like wanting to get into a fight. I was gonna say G beat up your dad

No, I think he wanted to we were rolling deep that night but It was I had a couple of friends there I had like at least like four or five friends there But it was a lot of like relatives and stuff like that was a lot of big uncle energy That's a rolling deep means to you. We have a lot of people there. Like probably like 20 people there or so. But I'm confused. Did you have four people or 20 people for friends? But I have it like they were like cousins and there were

like, it wasn't about you, the bachelor party. It was like, it was like your friends and then extended family. It was, I mean, it was for me, but it wasn't really about me. It was like, this is what my dad said we had to do. Okay. Gotcha. I gotcha. Wow. And he was like, my dad was like mortified. And then some people claimed that there's a different interpretation that like some people said that my dad What what was talking about this purpose? Some people like that have a less charitable, but my dad swore no He heard on so like a woman screaming outside and that's why he said the strippers here. Oh My gosh, but then some uncles are like turning on him and saying no you

Oh my gosh. But then some uncles are like turning on him and saying, no, you meant a cousin or two that claimed, no, he was definitely what this, this woman walk in, you know, at the exact moment. And he was talking about the woman, but my dad wasn't rude like that. He wouldn't let you remember the scream. I'm not a hundred percent sure about the screen. Okay. Circum circumstantial evidence. I vividly remember hearing my dad yell out loudly, the stripper's here. Um... Well, I didn't know your dad, but let's give him the more generous.

Yes. I think that would be quite a rude thing to say, but that's what I'm talking about. It would be. That's why. And that wasn't his personality. Yeah, and the implication is, because you were at a bachelor party party that it was for you. So it would like the though the strippers here that I ordered for this bachelor.

Right. I don't know. That patio of the steakhouse at like six o'clock on a Saturday. I think that's the joke. And so it wouldn't. Okay. Anyway, so funny the difference between your bachelor and your wife's bachelorette. That's very, very different.

She said that there wasn't any like, uh, they, they didn't go to any of these strip clubs or whatever, but who knows? I don't think people usually do. I don't think people usually do. Who knows? You'll never know what happens in Vegas. Stays in Vegas. I don't know if anybody was in Vegas around like the spring of 2010. Let me know.

I saw a bunch of nurses running around being at a pocket. If you saw a bachelorette party in Vegas, let Rob know. Sometime in 2010. I don't remember exactly. I think like May, May or June. You saw a bunch of women. I think like May, May or June. You saw a bunch of women. Yeah. Gabby, have you voted for anything for Survivor 50? Yeah.

Yes. Have you been voting every time they have stuff? Yeah, I think I might have forgotten the last one to do the last one. I don't remember what it was, but I have been voting. Yes. I have preferences. Some people are not going to like when I voted for what did you vote for that you think people will be upset with? You voted to keep Final Four fire making.

I voted to keep. Why? Why do you like it so much? The reason that I like it so much. Why do it against Kara K and was like, yes, I'm on the edge of my seat. Yeah, exactly. No, the reason I like it is because. I think Jeff's right. I think Jeff's actually a survivor player. You should. I think make fire.

No, I don't think that part's right. I think that it it. So I don't think that part's right. I think that it, so I don't know, thinking about season 50 coming up, may or may not have felt personally invested, not, you know, for myself, maybe I'll know people there. And I thought to myself, it actually does give somebody a chance of making it through at the final four who might not otherwise make it through. And, and you know, fire is something you can practice. And I think it's kind of your fault if you you're not good at fire. So I did vote for it. Come at me. Come at me, people. But yeah, you know.

Well, I personally, I don't love it. I can I hear what you're saying. I think that the final four fire making is one of the problems with this season where that I think that the Final Four firemaking is one of the problems with this season where that I think that this group of four can consider like, hey, like, maybe like maybe we can make a move. But if not, like we're all we'll all have a chance at four. Like, it's not like you have to turn on each other, whereas I feel like it makes it a more interesting game that people have to, if there was no Final Four fire making, if there was going to be somebody voted out at four, there would have to be more questioning of like, for Kyle or Shaheen to say, hold on, am I four in this group? Because if so, I got to figure something else out. I can't just go to Final Four with this group. I actually agree with you. I think this season is probably the perfect example of when the

social dynamics at four can be really interesting. And we probably will be robbed of that because I'm thinking even like, what if you got to let's say at the final four, Joe is really the front runner. And it's sort of the thing of like, let's try to get Joe out. So he's not in the final four. Then you get a really interesting thing of like, would Eva turn on Joe out of five? Otherwise, now you get this heartwarming thing of like, well, we'll go against each other and fire and it'll be noble. So I definitely hear what you're saying. Yeah. It's a very like, yeah, I understand what you're saying, because the times when we have had these like, really interesting dynamics at four that have gotten washed away by that, it's been really disappointing. It was purely a self-interested move thinking about the potential of people I know being

on 50 and, and, and, you know, it's a good point. And you know, Adam Klein had said to me, Oh, that on a podcast, he's like, he's like, if you can make fire, you can't go home at four. Like if you're the best fire maker, you are automatically in the final three. Yeah, I think he's kind of right. Because yeah, if you're, is the idea like, because if you're really good and they don't want you to be there,

then they'll put you through anyway, because they don't want you to show off your job. They'll take you through, or if you're the best fire maker, you'll anyway because they don't want you to show off your chops. They'll take you through or if you're the best fire maker you'll beat whoever they put up against you. Yeah that's true that's true. He says he can make a fire without even scraping the magnesium. Oh wow okay I mean you can you can make it spark but it has to catch something it would have to catch really dry. He says he can do it without, he says that you waste time doing the scraping. When did he say this? Oh, gosh. I don't know.

Last time he interviewed him, I don't know. What is time? What is it like? Was it in the fall? Sam, when did I last have Adam Ply on the podcast? Like, what month is it? Oh, I don't know what time it is. It's May now. I don't know. It's May. It's 5, 5.25 today. Yeah.

Yeah, whatever. I mean, magnesium helps the thing catch fire. You can make it spark, but something else to catch so you'd have to crack really dry brush. I can't do it. I'm just telling you that he says that he can do it. Everybody should go watch a YouTube video and go do it.

Actually, the reason I wouldn't want Final Four fire making, I'm changing my vote. I need a re-vote because people are so annoying about it. It's like, it's fire. I don't know, just like go do it. It's not like- Who's annoying about it? People who are, people.

The jury is annoying about it? Who's annoying about it? Yeah, no, it's the jury. Like the amount of like, Oh my God, they made fire. I'm like, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. You should all know how to make fire. I don't think it's that big of a deal. So anyway, you should learn how to make fire, Rob. It's something so easy. What makes you think I don't know how to make it? I thought you just said you don't know how like 30 seconds. I don't know how to make it without the magnesium. Oh, you just use the magnesium.

I will say, I one time brought Flint to a camping trip because I was like, I want to see if I still got it. Because I used to know how to make it. I'm thinking it's not a skill that you lose. Everything was so wet. I tried for so long and could not get it. It was so humiliating and embarrassing. When I used to play Survivor,

I did not know how to make a fire. And before Survivor All-Stars, Jeff Probst called me on the phone and he was a little bit like, hmm, you might be a one-trick pony. When he was right. No. Yeah, he was.

And they said, hey, this time we're not giving you guys anything. You better know how to make a fire. And I still never tried to practice. Because I felt like. You feel like someone else will know. I felt like if my tribe needs me to make the fire, we're already dead.

Oh my gosh. I felt that way about the game. I thought that I was going to do eight people. I said, if the other seven people are like, Rob, we need you to make the fire. We're dead anyway. Yeah. Yeah. If Rupert, Rupert's going to be out there,

he's going to make a fire. Right. I didn't waste one second. Good for you. Good for you. Yeah. I don't think I voted for anything else controversial on the Survivor stuff. I was kind of like, not anything else controversial on the survivor stuff. I was kind of like not so excited about many of the other colors.

You didn't care about that? No, no, I can't. I voted but but I think I voted for like the most unique one. Yeah, what felt the most unique to me that we hadn't seen before. I heard we might be getting more things to vote on this week. Is there something that you hope they put on the table? Um, I, I can't think of anything because I feel like they everything that you know, they've put the things the fans have been asking, but of course they put it with the most biased wording in the world, which I as somebody that does psychology research, we take classes to learn

how to do surveys that are not so, you know, put you right there, uh, make the game boring by having no advantages or make the game fun by having advantages. So, I mean, they should vote on, uh, whether they get the loved ones in person or not. In person loved ones. Should that happen in season? Uh, I think everybody would say yes, right? Yeah, everyone should say yes. That would be really exciting. Yeah, maybe they could sort of like bring them out

like right near the end just to see them. Oh, you think? Like not a reward? I just wonder, it's 26 days. Like, I'm sure that they would miss them. It's just like, it takes so long to get there, right? Yeah, it takes so long. Am I overthinking it?

You think it's just fine? Yeah, yeah, they could still have them. I feel like they didn't because of COVID at first. And now like, you know, we have vaccines and stuff. I so long that people ask people get them. But yeah, in theory they could. But maybe that's why they don't want to, I don't know. In fact, I don't know how these things work.

I don't know how they decided. They used to quarantine, like the first year that they brought them back, they used to quarantine them for like 14 days, which is kind of crazy because that's like basically like past where the merge starts. Wait, they do that to the players, you mean? The players use that to quarantine. Wait, they, they do that to the players. You mean the players use that to quarantine. They don't do that anymore. I don't think so. I think they, I mean, from what I understand, I think they just go right into it. Oh yeah. I know. Well, I thought that that was right. Cause that kind of would add up to the 39

days in the end. It started with 26 days. Wow. Well now there's no good reason for it. Should they vote on the quarantine? I thought you were going to say vote on 39 days, which fans would love and Jeff will never ever do. Yeah. They should, they should allow them to have like a vape on the Island. Oh, yeah. Like that should be, that should be a vote. It's like, should. For Hannah? Like in the medical area, just a vape for,

for only for Hannah, only if she returns. Yeah, I don't know if you're allowed to smoke or vape on TV, but maybe they could do like off camera. What do you mean? You don't think they're allowed to on TV? What is this, the 19? I guess You don't think they're allowed to on TV. What is this, the 19? I guess so. I guess they're allowed to.

I don't know when they, when they- Yeah, they used to, because they don't ever smoke on Big Brother anymore. Oh, they used to? Yeah, people used to train smoke on Big Brother. They used to on Love Island UK too, and they don't anymore. Yeah, I mean, you can still smoke on TV,

but I think on reality TV with the thing, but that'd be funny. We mean, you can still smoke on TV, but I think on reality TV with the thing, but that'd be, that'd be funny. We need the, that's like, I feel like a Shane powers type of thing where it's like at a reward, there's a pack of cigarettes. Like that'd be really funny. Right. Yeah. Didn't need like go into the village, right? Yeah. Yeah. They could smoke other things too. If they wanted, they could smoke like a, I don't know what else they wanted. They could smoke like a, I don't know what else they have, Beetle nut or something. Should they vote on that? They should vote on if they should have Kava, if they can have Kava at the, oh my gosh,

they should have zoom calls for at least for the family visits if they don't have in person. Like we all have zoom and it can be sponsored. Sponsored by zoom. Sponsored by zoom. Didn't it used to be sponsored by, you know, 18. They had an AOL challenge like back to, I heard today news AF that Skype is shutting down after 22 years. Wow. Yeah. Really? They really, really dropped the ball on COVID. Right. Cause I was like on Skype in like 2008.

I was like, wow, this technology is like a miracle. I can't believe this is this is like we're in the future. And then, OK, here comes COVID. And then I don't know where they just like asleep at the switch. They were they were. It was a verb. Skype was a verb. And you fumbled being a verb for a video calling. That's sad.

That was sad. Yeah, they closed down. So that's my news AF for you for today. Thank you. That's for tomorrow, but we'll, I'll save it for then. Let me ask you, do they have this challenge for you? This reward challenge where they like crawl through the sand in your season? No, no, that one looks so fun and brutal. You think it looks fun? I would not enjoy this. I just think it's silly and maybe that makes it fun. But yeah, I mean, it would be horrible. You get sand everywhere. Because they did it last season, I feel like.

Yeah. They changed their hands. But last season, it was like you had to hit the ball with your face. Remember like Andy like used his tongue to push the ball over the hill. They made a change, right? That that now it's like now put the rope in your mouth and then carry the ball with the with the rope. Yeah, it led to a lot of like grunting and sounds. Yeah, I think last year they didn't tell them or last season

they didn't tell them how to how to do it. And then so they kind of hacked it. They were like, put it in your shoulder. And so then I feel like they tied their hands now because they didn't want them to leverage it. And then, but I don't know. I think then you have to have the thing in your mouth, your mouth's open sands going into it, but it's, it's a little, it's a little demeaning. Yeah. I think I'm gonna say, Jeff, you know, I'm going to sit this one out. Can I do the rice negotiation? Once you see what it is, can I get a personal box? Yeah. You know, this reward job, cause a lot of these immunity challenges, you could try it for a little bit like, Oh, okay. I'm out. But like this

one is like, you're stuck there. Right. And then if you're not even trying hard, Jeff is just gonna yell at you. Oh, definitely. Yeah. You really get in trouble. Would you rather sand or mud? Hmm. So, I think I'd rather mud. Hmm. But mud gets everywhere and then you can't really... It's very hard to get off.

Yeah. So does sand. Oh, what a dilemma hard to get off. Yeah, so does sand. What a dilemma. Yeah, okay, well I hope that neither of them are in any of the dumpsters when you do it. Thank you. Yeah, I'm really curious to know how the dumpster dive is gonna go. Oh, now I feel like I have to try it

so I can report back to you. What about if you had a buddy who was willing to, like, hey, what if you had like a buddy who was willing to like, like, like, I, what if you, somebody is a listener. Okay. Like Gabby, I would, I'll show you the ropes or would you be very nervous to like, okay, a stranger is willing to meet me in the dumpster. I get out. I love and trust the R H E P fandom to a large extent, but meeting at a dumpster might not be always so kind about the community. So I think that they would like, I think that there's gotta be like some gay barista who's out there willing to like meet you like behind

the Starbucks and show you the ropes. Yeah. Okay. If there's any gay baristas who know how to dumpster dive out there who live in the Buffalo region, let me know. I think I know all the gay baristas already, but there's one hiding out there that I don't know about. Maybe hiding in a dumpster. Yeah. Yeah. Who's your winner pick? It's Kyle. I'm going gonna stick with Kyle. Yeah. All right. I mean, it would be exciting, but it's gotta come sooner or later. I think... I don't think you can just stand Pat and win. I agree, but I think also others can mess up and others can make people mad.

Can I ask you about Camilla's edit? I feel like she's been so under-eredited in the post merge what's going on other than talking about that David is an idiot I feel like that barely seen her in since the merge happened Yeah, and I think it's one of those things where I don't think she has much agency right now and so her role is very much like the content we got was I'm feeding information to Kyle and he's feeding information to me and kind of that position of this secret duo. So I think she just, when you don't have a ton of agency in the game, they, and it's like, maybe if, if they had made a move against Joe, you know, that would have been her episode or something or, you know, but like, if nothing really

happens and then you're not also one of the people going home so they're kind of not showing you, then it's just kind of how it is. I feel like it's the same thing with Mary, but Camilla has, you know, the Kyle relationship to give her a little bit more content. But yeah, I mean, we're definitely being shown that like, you know, shown more of Kyle's perspective,

which is why when I put my producer hat on, I'm like, you know, I would think that Kyle has more win equity at this point than Camilla, just because we're hearing his point of view. How about this? Can you give me a percentage chance that Mary gets voted out on Wednesday? I think it's a pretty, I think it's pretty good odds. Maybe 40%.

40%. Okay. Yeah. And then the other 60%. You know, who's the second biggest number? Oh, my gosh. Who's left. Is it Mitch? Mitch. Yeah. Mitch. I want to say it's hard to guess these things.

This is why I'm glad I don't do anything like the draft or power rankings or anything. Cause I, I am so bad at guessing things. Yeah. Brandon Donlin sent me from some of your chat BCC posts. You posted on Wednesday night, my jaw is on the floor. What was your jaw on the floor from? What happened in the episode? What was it? Why did I say my jaws on the floor?

It was definitely at one of the musical numbers. Oh, was it? My enemies are plotting. I think it was my enemies are plotting. I just couldn't. We got two musical numbers. Yes. I mean, it really went on.

Yes. Wow. That wasn't even my best chat BCC of the night. What was the best chat? These BCC was when we were talking about the sand challenge. I got it. I got it here. Yes. Okay. So Christian posted in the chat, this is the chat BCC. We do it every Wednesday night.

Okay. Go to Robin's website.com slash VIP chat or Mike Bloom posted it's that this challenge was in season 47 and 48 after taking a break. And Christian said, wiggle worm was in 47 too. And Gabby said, no, she was on one and 31. She would dumpster dive Kelly Wigglesworth would dumpster dive with me. Yeah, I think so. All right, I'll call her up. I'll call her up for it. I feel like, OK, let me, if I had to say somebody from this season that would dumpster dive with me, it would be Mary. And then it would be Star.

Yeah. I could see it. So if either of them want to hit me up to dumpster dive. Yeah. And in terms of like people's projects in the game, like they might be needing to dumpster dive. They should be dumpster diving. Like you got to go into the trash. You got to take a rest. You got to see what you can find. That's why I'm so frustrated with Mitch.

It was like like stars like, hey, Mitch, come into the dumpster. We got we got there's the Starbucks sandwiches are all in there. And Mitch is like, no way. I would never I would never dive in the dumpster. Like that's beneath me. He's snitching even. He's like, hey, guys, guess what? Star show their sandwiches in there.

She's trying to start the union at Starbucks. You got to go check the footage. Mitch got my friend giving away cold brews to Gabby. Mitch the snitch. Oh no. I'm sorry Mitch. No, no, no. Mitch, I hope you're against union busting. They're trying to start a union. against union busting. They're trying to start a union. That jiff of Mitch shaking his finger is so iconic or video. He looks so sassy in it.

I actually love it. I want that. Yeah. He ate. Not in the dumpster. Such a good jiff. Video. Whatever it is.

GIF. Whatever you want to say. Gabby, anything else you want to talk about or tell people about? No. When's the bachelorette party? The end of May. End of May. I'm going to Mexico and I'm really excited. But before that, my cousin's getting married in Colorado.

And then this girl that is the bachelorette party is getting married in Colorado in August. So I went back to Colorado. What a busy travel summer. Do you have to go to your cousin's bachelorette party? No, I was invited, but I kindly declined because I'm not in the bridal party for that. They had a chill thing. They went to like Joshua Tree. They went to like national parks and they more like hung out a little bit more. This Mexico bachelor party is going to be like, we're

going to be going to night clubs and such. You know, can I tell you another admission? I really I've never been to a bachelor party. Not even I went to a steakhouse. I've never been to a bachelor party. Oh, do you feel like you've missed out on that life experience? I don't know. I kind of feel like, you know, maybe at an age when I would have liked it, I would not. It would be like my worst nightmare now to go to a bachelor party. That's kind of the thing is I feel I'm aging out of it. And so that's also why I'm doing it. Because I was like, I'm feeling like you, I was feeling like I've never really done it.

So I feel like I'll only just do it. It's the thing that, you know, it's one thing to do. I don't know, like after this. But were you in anybody's wedding party ever? I was in some of my friends wedding parties, but you know, at the time that my friends were all like, when I was in my twenties and my friends were getting married, I had moved to Los Angeles to pursue this incredible career. And my friends were all like back in New York and like upstate New York, you know,

your stomping grounds, like having their bachelor parties and going to Atlantic City and doing things like that. Like, well, I'm not flying across the country to go to a bachelorette or bachelor party and then come and fly back. You can go to a bachelorette party, I think. You really? Yeah, if I was working it, sure, I'd have to go,

but to just go and attend it, No. And so like all my friends were like back on the East coast and I never went, I never went back. And then I never had any friends who got married in California. And now here I am. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I don't think you're missing out on much. I don't know if you could call up a straight uncle here or there if you want to go to a strip. Yeah, maybe when my kids get married, like I'll get ready on the steakhouse. I didn't get that Stephen fishback didn't give me the call

when he went to Disney World for his bachelor party. His bachelor was at Disney World? Yes. I got, I have some questions and thoughts for him. Might have been Disneyland. I don't care which one it was. That's crazy. There's no difference between world and land. It has the word Disney in it. A grown man went to Disney before he got married.

It's your last- Are you shaming the Disney adults in the audience, Gabby? Yes, I am. I'm sorry. I've been nice enough to the RHAP community. I, you know, I love you guys for your relationship to RHAP. If you have something to do with Disney, I have nothing to do with that. I don't have to like you for that. You know, wait, no, no bachelorette parties at Disney last hurrah. It's supposed to be this thing like, oh, we're away. I'm not with my partner. You can come back when you have kids and like...

You can do... Yeah. It's like you're going to a place for children. What do you do? Go to Epcot maybe and do the drink around the world? Probably. I'm going to text him after this. I'm going to... I got to roast him for that. That's one of the lamest places I could imagine. Don't get me in trouble, please.

These opinions are my own. But the opinions expressed by Gabby Pescozzi are my own. I'm not reflective of Bravo. This is such a lively conversation, you know. And listen, if anybody is saying, hey, did you not talk enough survival? Were you not entertained? Are you not? Yeah. Yeah. Were you not entertained? Sorry. Sorry that. Oh my God. I forgot, Rob. We were supposed to go deep into the strategy of this season and the complexities of the vote. They got to make a move. Exactly. Yeah. you know, I don't feel there's much untouched

about the episode. So I'm here for my winning personality, not for my survivor hot takes on the final eight of season 48. Go dumpster dive on a different podcast, okay? Complainers, all right? Yeah. We're getting mad at imaginary complainers.

You think this is a bad episode? You're already thinking there's people complaining. This is a great episode. Okay. Yeah. There's not gonna be complaints. Yes. If they complained, they didn't get to the good stuff, which is now.

Yeah. This was all good stuff. It's all good stuff. It's all good stuff. But if people are like, well, it's so boring when they're talking about the stretch, there's nothing for us to comment on strategy. There's not much else. We finished it. It's done. And we finished in 20 minutes. Shout out to season 40. I really like them. And you know, it hashtag it's it's not your fault. Like it's actually, you know, maybe, but it's an interesting season in

that it just got so like, tight so fast. Yeah, it did. It did. Well, yeah, it cracked open a little bit with the David thing. And then it and then it went back. So we saw it see it really just like there was, and this is such a thing that happens on Survivor of sort of like just like the overall like vibe of the season was one of like, hey, we're not, we're not like scrambling.

We're not gonna like be out here making all these flashy moves. Like it's gonna be very stable post-merge. Yeah, and that's good gameplay for those who can pull it off. It's just kind of boring TV for us, unfortunately, because sometimes the worst gameplay is the most fun TV. I'm team fun TV. Because we always have something to talk about.

So there you have it. All right, Gabby Pascuzzizi the great Gabby Pascuzzi Where could people? Keep up with you you doing cameo No, I'm trying to not be much on social media anymore, but people should join the chat BCC Remember on the night of traders finale when we're like, okay, hey, everybody's gonna wanna talk about the Traders finale, everybody be there. We're gonna start the new group chat on the Traders.

And then it was only me and Gabby, we're the only two people from all the survivors talking about the Traders. Everybody else was off doing Blood on the Clock Tower. Like they can't take one night off from Blood on the clock tower to watch the traders finale with us. Yeah. It was so sad. It was just us. And then it was a boring episode anyway. So we were

like, Oh yeah. Well, I thought, well, I was like, well, you have to pause it so we can all start at the same time. And then like halfway through like, um, I think Rob texted me, you missed it. And then you texted me and you said, by the way, you can totally fast forward through this challenge. And I said, all right, I'm doing it. And I texted that to the group. Champ BCC. I said, sorry, guys, I betrayed the trust of the timing. I skipped the challenge. It was good boy. Gabby and I could have just been texting. Yeah, literally. I think we were, I think you texted me on the side saying I skipped

the challenge and I said, okay, we're trying to be in the group chat. We're the only ones in there. But the survivor chat is much more fun. Everyone who's not on it yet. They don't schedule blood on the clock tower against the Traders finale. Yeah, exactly. These nerds playing social deduction games. They never get tired of it. You know what? I get a little tired of it. I don't play as often as them. I played for the first time in ages, like a month or something ago. And it was the first time that I played in ages and I got the demon whatever.

They all love it and I love that for them. I just like, you know what I don't love? Like and because I feel like, Gabby we're friends, like you know what I would not enjoy? Gabby, I swear on my kid's life. I know. And then I'm like, gotcha, I was lying. Lied to you all the time. Like that. No, that that ups me up a little bit. Yeah, I love Survivor. You know, I love like these shows, but I don't necessarily love like these games where it's like you have to really like put yourself out there of like, yeah, trust me, Gabby. You're really lying in these games. Like it's it's different than Survivor because in in survivor, you're like trying to figure out who to vote out and you're lying. But in these

games, it's like, you have a role and you're playing that role. It's much more like the traders or something. That's like Saride breaking the hearts of her, of those loyal. That's like a show and you're trying to win money. I get it. But it's like, it bumps me out a little bit where it's like, uh, you know, I'm sure you've had this. So like one of these games, it's like somebody's like, you're a out a little bit where it's like, you know, I'm sure you've had this or like one of these games It's like somebody's like you're good friend. And then oh, yeah. Oh, I'm telling you like hey, they're like, trust me. We're friends. Okay Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh wow like that kind of Feeling No, it's not that fun to lie to your friends

I think what you're saying is that when our JP runs Clockdower, you need to have prize money on it. Maybe. I'm going to tell Dwight, he starts, you need to start offering prize money. Then I'll start playing again because I won't feel as guilty. So many people love it and it's for them. And I love it for them. It's just like, it's not my favorite thing. You're old school. I'm old school. I want to stick with my friends.

Yeah. But your friend could be a demon. Yeah. It's okay. Maybe because I have so few friends. I cherish them. Friends that I can just lie to them willy nilly. Yeah.

Yeah. You're risking your few friendships over blood on the clock tower. It's risky. Yeah. Well, that's good. I'm it's good you care about your few friendships over blood on the clock tower. It's risky. Yeah. Well, that's good. It's good you care about your relationships. Yeah. All right. Well, Gabby, this was so fun. Thank you all so much for listening to those people that are still there.

Are we I am very much looking forward to reading the comments on this one. Yeah. Well, let me know what that where do I read the comments on YouTube? YouTube. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I did have to ask at the last second, I said, is this recorded? And then I cleaned up my, I didn't put on any, you know, whatever I'm wearing my shirt that says pear. I got a picture of a pear on it and it says pear. But I had to clean the background of my, of my anyway. But yeah, this was really fun. Thanks for having me.

This was a delight. Thank you all so much for joining us. I'll be back with Stephen Fishback and we will be talking about the episode on Wednesday night. Let's see if something happens. Final seven. OK, it's getting down to brass tacks. It's do or die. And then we've got a great show on Thursday. Baby Andy is going to join us. Oh, I love Andy.

He's like the male version of me. Andy is the male version of you. Yeah, I know that. Yes, I know you are close. He's from he's he's from Buffalo. Yes. And and and I live here and he's half Filipino. Yes. And I'm half Filipino and he's bisexual. Yes, I remember that from the preseason. I just feel like that in practice,

I feel like that as game players, I didn't think people would be saying. No, we're not so much. Well, maybe we're both, I don't know. I don't twirl my hair as gracefully as him. But anyway, that's so exciting. I love when the new players that have just played come on the podcast, so that's really fun.

Yeah, all right. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.