RHAP: We Know Survivor - Hunter, Liz, and Ben Talk Survivor 46 | The Survivor 50 Files

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Brandon Donlon, Hunter McKnight, Ben Katzman, and Liz Wilcox dive into the captivating world of Survivor 46 in this episode of the Survivor 50 Files. The duo explores the dynamic gameplay and strategic maneuvers of Q, a standout contestant from Survivor 46 who is now part of the all-star cast of Survivor 50.

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What is going on everybody? We are back with another episode of the Survivor 50 Files. We're kicking off season 46. We've got three people from season 46. Who would have thought? But we're starting Tiffany Irvin. Tiffany Irvin is back on season 46. We have one of her best friends, survivor of 46, contestant.

You know him, you love him. It's Hunter McKnight. How are you? I'm doing well. I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear that we were close if they haven't followed after the fact. But yeah, I'm doing well. How are you Brandon?

I'm chilling. I'm so excited to talk about this group. I think Tiffany in particular is one of the more interesting returnees that this season has, you know, but let me ask you just because you mentioned it. Were you guys close in the game the days that you played together and then jury and then became very close afterward,

or did you feel very close when you were there? So mine and Tiffany's relationship in the game actually started off pretty well because I wanted to work with the Yanu group. You know, we had this secret six that like went nowhere. And so I knew Tiffany was one I wanted to work with the YANU group. We had the secret six that went nowhere. And so I knew Tiffany was one I wanted to work with. But our relationship goes back to whenever we got divided and I was by myself with the YANU and then Ben and Tim,

Tim had gone to Tiffany and said, I want to vote Hunter out. And Tiffany immediately came to me and was like, Tim said he wants to vote you out. I told him there's no way I'm doing that. And in that moment, I was like, that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on this island. This is my first time even having an opportunity to vote out.

And so I felt really connected with that group. But in the fashion as he does, Q came to me that night after that vote and was like, Tiffany said she wants you out. And he was doing his thing. It wasn't accurate, but it kind of ruined that relationship a little bit. It put a little bit of a wedge in it that later. Q was always doing that.

It seems like Q Q was acted a little crazy. Who would have thought I know it doesn't sound like him, but he so it kind of stirred that pot a little bit had that conversation not happened, who knows what would have happened with us playing together? Because, I mean, we talk about it now and there's some sharing of like, what should have, could have, what after the fact, you know, we were both going to work together and both had idols and it would have been great. But you know, you, you know, you begin, you begin to really question things if people give you other information.

But then after the fact, when she got voted out with an idol, you know, you begin to really question things when people give you other information. But then after the fact when she got voted out with an idol, you know, I was excited for that because I wasn't the only one and that led to a shared grievance that we had that then just kind of grew. But Tiffany is someone who I generally would get along with outside of the game just because she's very straightforward, she's blunt, She tells it how it is. She's not trying to impress anybody. And so whenever we got to hang out at Ponderosa, it it definitely led to a a more solid friendship than the in the game.

And that's what I tell people is in the game, it's always so hard to really make connections because you're not sure if this person is like lying to you because they want you to vote with them. But when you're at Ponderosa, there's like no need for that. You don't have to like pretend to be anything because you're you're not going to get anything from it. What was it like for you then? You you learned that Tiffany gets voted out with an idol as you also by the third and fourth time. Does it feel like you're getting pranked? Does it feel like is this serious?

Yeah. Well, so we knew Tiffany had one and I was praying when after I got voted out that she would get voted out the one. And it was like a blessing to me. And so I told her that I'm glad you got voted out. But Venus, we had no idea about. So when Venus came back and we welcomed her, she was like, y'all had an idol.

And we were like, no way. And so it was just wild to hear that. And then Q shows up and he says that he also had an idol and it was just like, what is happening? We're like, well, there's no chance it happens again because that would have been final five. So if someone finds it at final five, they're definitely playing it.

There was some speculation as to whether Q actually found one or not. We weren't entirely sure because there were some fake ones out there, but it was surprising and relieving. And with each one that came, I was more than happy to be like, yeah, bring another one. What is it like?

Everybody have one. Just come on through. Make me feel a little bit better about it. Do you know, like, I'm sure that is, I mean, you'll see it, the first episode of Survivor 50, they'll show Tiffany's opening confessional and they'll play that moment. Be like, that's, you know see it the first episode of Survivor 50. They'll show Tiffany's opening confessional and they'll play that moment. Be like, that's, you know, I want redemption.

But what is Tiffany's like motivation for going back out for Survivor 50 from what you understand? I think it's I think it's similar to like a lot of people that had opportunity is they look back at their game that they had before and they see the mistakes they made. They see where they let other people kind of in Tiffany's case, she felt like she let Q do a lot of the in-between and that frustrated her. She's like, that's not how I wanted to play. She wanted to play her own game, but she allowed Q to get in the way of that.

And so now she's really going back to one, win, but also to play the way she knows she can. And I'm excited to see how it goes. And I think a lot of people are gonna be surprised at how well she does. You know what really tweaked me? Which is, you know, they have this video that they announced when Jeff is reading out

all 24 people that are gonna be on. I know what you're about to say. Where her whole personality was just in relation to Q, that actually, I was like, there's no way, there's no way that that was the whole thing that that he wrapped her whole identity around you but look if that's the reason they put her out there was just to have an interaction with Q and to have that it's fine because I think she's gonna blow people out the water and she's gonna establish herself very far

outside of you but that was I was like man that kind of stinks yeah I mean Tiffany was the only person so So in this video, everybody gets a line about them in survivors, like she's coming back from the season one, Jenna Lewis, you know, he's the golden boy, it's Colby. And if line was, she worked with you. And sometimes she didn't work with you. It's different times. She wanted to pull her hair out. But that was the line. It's the only line that didn't pass the Bechdel test, like her line is

directly related to Q. And it's just like, it's the only line that didn't pass the Bechdel test. Like her line is directly related to Q. And it's just like, it's such a bummer because she has so much to give. And that's why, like we have these and you were there, you saw it, you know, these months and months of rumors about who's going to be on. People did assume Tiffany was going because Tiffany was great at the game, showed great potential when they were like the legends in the mix. I think Tiffany was somebody who was like, well, maybe less so. But I think that there's this meta, which I'm sure you know, Hunter of like these under the radar women who go in these all-star seasons, like your Ambers, your Parvati,

your Sarah Lasina, they win. They win the season, you know, so Tiffany is in a great spot. I think. Yes, absolutely. I think, I think, um think even her and Q's relationship will help them. I think they've worked out their differences. And you talk about legends and Q would probably fall more into that side of like the big names. So they'll have that connection and Tiffany can work the smaller names. What is it? The hyenas and the lions that yes, Sony use, they kind of are split between those. And then Tiffany has enough, you know, wherewithal and strategy to handle it well. And I'm like, that's, that's why I'm so excited to see how it plays out. I mean, she's probably heading

to final tribal council in like 12 hours, I think. Yeah, I mean, I've been doing the math. And I think that's when it ends. Although there was a video posted today that said that Jeff in like 12 hours, I think. I mean, I've been doing the math, and I think that's when it ends. Although there was a video posted today that Jeff said it was wrapped, but I'm seeing through it. I don't think it actually is funny. I don't think so either.

We're filming this now on Monday, June 30th, and I've been at the assumption, like my tallies were that the game was ending on July 2nd. So I think maybe they just wrapped and they filmed it because they were at a nice location, who knows. But I'm excited. Do you know what is Tiffany Hunter like the best at? When you witnessed Tiffany playing Survivor,

what is she better at than everybody else that you played with? Is there a quality that you saw? Okay, so I know she's way better at this than me. She's great at like relationships and talking with people and like making you feel very heard and connected and like Willing to work with you. She's really really good at that But she's also great at reading whether people are being disingenuine So they seem like they're trying to come across a certain way

She's very fast at reading that just in even interacting with her in real life, how quickly she can pick up on, oh, that's not actually what's happening here. That's not the whole story. She's really good at that, and I've been impressed with it. But that is one thing that I think is gonna help her a ton as she goes into it. I wonder if there's any benefit for her from like,

Emily Flippen is there also, my good friend, who was a part of a disaster tribe. Is there any benefit to being a part of a disaster tribe and survivor when you go back and you're playing with people who haven't experienced such a thing? I haven't thought of that. Typically people talk about in their own season, the disaster tribe typically fares relatively well if you can make it out of it, if you can make it out of it, you know, if you can make it out of it. But I don't know about a history of being there and then trying to play with that, like in your past,

not in the current state. I have no idea, I have not thought about that. Yeah, I'm wondering- Do you have an opinion on it? Cause you would be able to speak from that, do you have? I wonder if like, you do have to, and again, this is, your NAMI tribe doesn't fully have to experience tribal council until you hit the no, we were on, we were on a, uh, you know,

a 13 day camping trip is basically what it was. Really. It was, he was angry. Everybody was angry. Everybody was upset. And like we've overstayed our welcome and people were super upset. And so that's when we got there. They were like, we haven't played the game in 13 days. I'm like letting it pass me by. And they all started like going after each other because they needed moves to start the resume, which is one of the downfalls we have.

Yeah, so that's very different. If that is, if it's advantageous to like having been forced to play the game early in the early stages where like Emily is tribal council back to back to back, two of which her name is, you know, she's a potential to go home, you know, and Tiffany granite wasn't ever going to go home in that early stage of Yanu. But I wonder if like having to strategize that early when you're not only getting folks coming back for 20 years, you know, they're playing survivor again, but also folks who

kind of skated to the the merge Tori is not the right word, but people who did have that vacation like, oh, I think for myself right word, but people who did have that vacation like, Oh, I, yeah, absolutely. I think for myself, it is such an advantage to have that in the game that you're in. I mean, you, you have so many tribal councils that you've been able to read people, been able to feel it kind of get, you know,

settled in a little bit. I was there, I was only available to be voted for twice and it didn't ever ever allow me a chance to settle in the first time I was with a group of people that I had known for like two days that already had connections. And then again, the next one, it was just so much chaos. And so have any time you can have more of those type interactions is obviously better, but it will be hard to translate from one season to the next. I don't know if necessarily having done it before like in a previous season will translate as well, but anytime you have more experience because I mean, and I guess that's another point is you got Colby and all these people who have gone through so many tribal councils, just because of the sheer number of times they've played, they've got so many tribal councils that are there about and so someone like Emily and Tiffany at least have more than someone like me would who've been to I think four tribal councils total. They've at least been through more of them. So I

guess there there is on paper there's advantage that you could point to. Yeah you four tribal councils. It feels like so many more when you're there, you know? Okay, okay. So there's Moe, Tim, Tevin, and then mine. Yeah, that was it. Just four. I know I did not. It's stupid to say, but it feels like I missed out on a like an opportunity really to get my foot in because the first one I didn't have a vote. The second one I was really just at the whim or whatever. The third one that was one cue was like vote me out and it just kind of blew up. And then the next one we're not going to talk about the next one because that wasn't great. But yeah, so only four. You know, cues back on this also.

I know I can't wait. I can't wait. It's going to be see, here's the thing. I had heard rumors that a lot of the, you know, one of the things about a season like this 50 is people want to be the star. They want to be the main person. I've heard Q one, he's a volatile player, which may make it hard to play around. I want to see Q do really well. I I'm a big friend of Q's.

No animosity or anything towards him with how ours worked out. I want to see him do well. But I think the way he plays may put him in trouble, but also people know he's a personality and they may be like, hey, if we get this guy out of here, there's like more time for us to shine. So I don't know how much that's going to play into it, but we're going to see. I really hope he comes in there and has some great challenge performances. I know he struggled on our season, but he's ready to bounce back and take over. Yeah, there's never, I don't think, been a group of people.

Not only are there now 24 of them, obviously, for the first time, but I think this is the group that is, in the history of Survivor, the most airtime motivated that there ever has been. Oh, I know. Yes. And Q, you were there. Yeah, yeah, he is.

And he rightfully so the dude's hilarious. He says some funny things. But if that is a motivating factor for any kind of votes, I think they're going to send them pretty fast. Yeah, but it may be like a duo of like screen time. And this guy is just is just wild. He like he will say whatever he's thinking and he will flip things. The reason he flipped on me, I know we're talking about Tiffany, so I'm not going to stay on too long.

The reason he flipped on like Tiffany and Kenzie or try to split us was because when we came back from the Tim vote, Tiffany and Kenzie, as they should, were like consoling Ben and talking to him and like making sure he felt okay and was like welcoming him into the fold. So he didn't feel ostracized. Q didn't like that. Q came back, he's like, you see what they're doing? They're always doing that talking stuff. They're always like going. And so that's why he decided to turn me against them, which he did because I didn't know any better. But that shows two things. One, Q can change on a dime.

He can hear these voices and decide this is what I'm gonna do different. Good for him. But Tiffany also, that shows that Tiffany has a mind of like, I need to make sure I'm working with people on the bottom. I make sure they feel comfortable. And so a little tidbit of both of them. So we'll see how Q does.

It is like playing for Tiffany like allied with somebody like you. It is like playing survivor on the hard mode. Also, most people aren't going to do all of that. You would assume, you know. Yeah, I remember watching back this at our season and being like, man, this is the most unconventional like strategy wise, just like who wants to vote out who like, Liz want to get rid of Tevin, Kenzie mentioning voting out Tiffany, Hugh just flipping it all over and voting out the members of his secret six alliance. It was always, it just felt so random. It was like,

how do you predict what even is going to happen here? So that's a good thing about Tiffany is that she at least had to play through that and did relatively well with the crazy of 46. What was the cue tribal council where you wanted to quit like the Tevin boot? Tell me about how that felt for you sitting there. That one was so like that whole day. I can give you the whole backstory on from my perspective. I mean, there's so much that went into that. I won immunity that day. I can give you the whole backstory on from my perspective. I mean, there's so much

that that went into that. I won immunity that day and actually went to go make a secret idol. So I was off making a secret idol when everything was starting to happen. Funny enough, Venus came to me and was like, who do you think's going home? And I thought it was Tiffany at that point, because that's what you had been pushing and Q was Tiffany was trying to get out Maria it was a whole thing and she was gonna tell me it was Tevin but I was just telling it because it was like you couldn't tell Venus anything because if you told Venus you were worried it would get out and that would be bad on you. I was like I'm not gonna tell you who we're voting for but I'm just gonna tell you it's not you and so she said well I don't think it's gonna be who you're thinking I said then tell me who you think it is but we

never got there. I come back to and Q basically you think it is. But we never got there. I come back to in Q basically looks at me is like, you can't do anything about it, but you can't write Tiffany's name down anymore. And I was like, why not? He's like, because we got the numbers. I was like, well, you got to tell me what's going to happen because if like, what am I supposed to do just write nobody's name down? And so he's like, they're gonna vote Tevin.

And that blew my mind because I thought me, Liz, and Tevin were really, really working together. But we never had a chance to actually be a group of three because we were split up for the Mergetory. We were split up when we went six and six. And so Liz had felt like I was distant from that. But I was just trying to dump it. So then I go to Liz, and Liz is like, people are gonna think I'm dumb if I switch. I was like, No, we don't we don't have to do that.

So then I go back and I try to talk to Charlie and Maria. And they're like, Well, if we're gonna keep Tevin, we can't tell him what's going on. I was like, That's fine. We don't have to tell them. And then Q came over I was like, that's fine. We don't have to tell him. And then Q came over and was like, just vote me out. He told us to just vote him out because he was upset at how it had ruined some people's plans. And we were like, we're not going to vote you out, Q. Obviously, we're not going to vote you out because we need you in this game. It would be stupid for us to vote you out. And so then we go to tribal and I had thought I had kind of worked it back to where Maria

and Charlie would like go with not voting Tevin out because the whole reason we were voting Tiffany out is because Q said she had mentioned Maria. And so in my brain, I'm like, Maria, why do you want to vote Tevin out who trust you whenever Tiffany was the one who was saying, so in my brain, I cannot figure out why are these people, like I can't logically figure out why we're voting the way we're, I could not figure it out. Like why are we watching it for anything? Why does Liz, why does Liz want to vote Tevin out? Why does Maria want to vote Tevin out? Who were really close because that journey went on. And so then Q adds the fact like just vote me out. And it's just like, what is happening on. And so then Q adds the fact like, just vote me out. And it's just

like, what is happening now? And so then everyone hops up. That's when the news gets spilled that Q told Charlie that Tiffany had an idol. I was actually just talking to Kenzie today. Kenzie looks at me and yells at me is like, you were gonna vote out Tiff. And I was like, I was gonna vote out Tiff because Q told me to because she was voting for me. And so there was like so many like, it was like, you see the meme of me like leaning over, like this is the dumbest thing ever, because it did feel that way. And I will say, looking back, I could have, I should have done more. I should have stepped like, of course, you probably have in your head all the things you could have done differently and you play through it.

I should have like pulled my idol out and been like, I'm playing my idol for Tevin, me Tevin and Tevin's extra votes gonna vote for one of y'all, you'll have to figure out who is going to be like there was so many things we could have done, but it was just such chaos that you couldn't, you couldn't predict where it was going. And there was the was stupid is no one was going to vote Q no everyone was like, we're just ignoring him right now because he's just such a crazy factor

that we're it's just not an crazy factor that we're, it's just not an issue with us. We want to get the things that we're trying to do done. And so it was, it was wild. Not to plug one of my tweets from a year ago, but I did tweet during that tribal council, he was the first person on Survivor to lose, quit. Like he didn't. Yeah, he failed to quit. And I don't I'm not sure. Okay, so he definitely like we had a conversation about how he had found what he needed to out here and like had a real talk whenever it was just me with the other like when I was by myself at the tribal

council and so it seemed very genuine. He was like fine with not winning and I think he would have been fine with going home but no no one was gonna go along with it because people are trying to progress their game. And so I'm sure you'll get to talk more with, sorry, with Liz about this later, but it was wild. Is that a good, like his Q wants to leave because he ruined other people's plans, which is, I guess, like a fall in your sword,

good quality to have, maybe? I don't know. which is, I guess, like a fall in your sword. Good quality to have, maybe. I don't know. I see. I I do not know. I it's just like. It's not a car. Like, it feels kind of a cop out because he could have just not told me because I'm I guess I'm the one who went around and was like, hey, why are we doing this? Because again, it didn't make sense to me.

I told him I said if this is like ultimately what we're going to do, we can do it, just make it make sense to me first. I don't know, I think in his head, he, he was convinced that was the right thing to help. I think he was helping Liz. It might have been he was trying to help Tiffany. I don't know who exactly he was trying to help in that moment. I know who exactly he was trying to help in that moment. I think it was he was frustrated because he was frustrated with how I went and talked to Liz whenever I found out that she was voting Tiffany. I started telling because I went and was like, what are we doing? And then Liz felt bad about it. Then Q felt bad that Liz felt bad, which is ironic because later Q does not feel bad when Liz feels bad.

felt bad that Liz felt bad, which is ironic because later Q does not feel bad when Liz feels bad. I know, infamously, like it goes on in history. So it's just like that just explains 46 just bounce it around going wild. But I know for me, I it's easy for me to like blame the craziness of tribal council and Q and that stuff. But I know that I could have done more in that moment, but I will take credit for not, not credit. I'll take the fault for not doing more

that I could in that moment. And all this 46 Chad also, we have no, we have very brief Charlie mentions. Tell me about your Charlie on 50 hypothesis. Oh, Charlie is good at what he does. He has a great bound. I think he's got a pretty good shot at going far. He could be second to Tiffany, we'll take that.

But he's been out of it long enough. Like if his season had just aired and they were just watching that, I think he would make it a little bit harder. He's got a great job with relationship. He's great at making people feel comfortable. He's very logical and rational. I think Tiffany would actually be willing to work with Charlie for a while, even though Charlie voted her out. I think they would be willing to work together because Charlie is a good person to bounce stuff off of. Very logical, very rational in terms of how to move through this game,

which is impressive considering he did that on 46. I think he's I think he survives for a while because he's not going to rub people the wrong way. He's going to be productive in challenges and he's going to have have a good relationship with whoever he's around. I think both of them, Tiffany and Charlie exhibit a great quality that we just talked about with Kelly about D where D can kind of backseat a plan that's being made. Whereas a Q type personality, it's like, it's their plan or that plan won't happen.

I can see both Tiffany and Charlie being a part of something and letting that leader of the group make it and then just going along with whatever they do. Yeah, that is one of the things that um who was it that I was no. Oh, uh Camilla did a really great job of that this past season like I so like I don't think people realize how difficult it is and you can see it on 46 for someone to say I'm okay with not being in the spotlight right now I'll get my time like let me just sit back

and relax and wait and not feel like I have to stir up a ton of stuff like when Kyle and her are working together her willingness to be like that's fine just like see what we can work out I don't have to be the one calling the shot is an incredible thing and And so I think Tiffany, we actually talked about that a little bit, learned that it's okay to allow this to happen. And she said, I don't mind letting the big egos do their thing.

And I think Charlie's that same way. He like, you know, soft whispers are the best way to make your plan go down the way you want it to in Survivor. And yeah, so you're right on with that. That's it. It's a great character trait to have in the game. I feel like, too, that's kind of the story of like Tiffany's whole return to this is like, you know, season 46 is largely dominated by Q

and even largely dominated by like the Charlie story. And it feels like coming back is like, I'm good. Like, let me I this will be mine eventually. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a lot. Yeah. Tiffany even said, she said, I'm good. Like, let me, this will be mine eventually, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like a lot. Yeah, Tiffany even said, she said, I don't care about air time, I just wanna win.

And that's like a big, it's like the mindset you have to have going in of just being like, thinking about how you're gonna play this in a way that's gonna win, not in the way that like looks incredible. And I think that's important. And I do think we'll see way more of Tiffany this round than we will of Q, even though he's

going to be a personality. I think she's going to be a bigger factor in this one. Tell me what else you guys talked about pre her leaving. I want to hear all of the prep that she did, what insight you had into prep. Spill the tea. she did, what insight you had into prep, give me, you know, get and spill the tea. Well, they'll I don't want to spill too much because I know that she'll probably want to share some of it and do some of it. But it she did a great job of not pre gaming. I will say that she was like out of it. That's why you rarely saw

her name show up. She didn't like talk to people. She was just like I'm going gonna go in there. And just like we kind of mentioned, I don't have to like make sure I know everything that's going on. I'm willing to work with what I'm given. And I think there's a benefit to that because, if things aren't going the way you planned it,

or isn't like the preconceived, like what I expect to happen, you can manage it better. The general issue, like did her old working out and stuff. And I mean, really she didn't do a ton of prep. She didn't do a lot of talking to people. Like we talked about this is gonna be crazy. You're gonna win this thing.

Like it's gonna like manifest or like talk about it or whatever, but she didn't do just a whole lot of reaching out and talking to people, which I think is, I think it's good. I think survivors in a hard spot now where people, it's so easy to do that. And that's why their solution is to call more people and to not let them know to the last minute, which we saw how that, you know, ended with people being really frustrated about it. Um, but she didn't, I mean, I think she's gonna do super, super well and she prepped in in small ways, but she really is just gonna rely on the fact that she can do this thing. She can

win. She's got a great personality. She's gonna handle it and from there, we'll see what happens. I do wanna comment on that also because you know, in my in my sphere, you know, you're in the same sphere. I'm hearing names all over the place. I didn't hear Tiffany until three days before. I know, I know. I'm telling you, she was, she was not telling anybody so much so that like she had mentioned it to me, but I wasn't, I even tell my siblings, I was like, I'm not telling a soul because I knew how serious she was about telling people like people in French camp, like I'm not telling anybody because she wants to keep this

locked in. And so I think that's a testament to, just how loyal and how willing she is to keep secrets, which I think is another advantage for her. I think there's such a, the online contingent is so excited for her and has been so excited for her and when it actually got announced it felt like one of the few like there are critiques

with the KC 50 pass certainly and it felt like one of the few picks that were like oh that's like that's one for us like that's not something that is is being put forth by somebody who's won their fourth or fifth time like Tiffany's playing for for this group so I'm so excited to see it. Yeah, I think it's going to be a ton of fun and I think it's so hard, you know, and some people would have liked that. Well, how does she earn a spot there? And I think that's right for anyone to think that about anybody because how do you decide among 50 seasons of people to choose? But you never get to see, especially someone who goes out at eight,

you don't get to see the game that they were playing. You don't get to see how well they were doing. Production and people behind the scenes did. And so I hope people can at least trust the fact that they know who they're picking and it's gonna be exciting to watch. But it doesn't matter because she's gonna win anyway. So whether they believe it or not, it's going to believe it eventually.

You believe it or you're living denial. Tell me who else from the 49 seasons of Survivor are leading up to this? Are you excited to see a survivor again? I am. What's funny, I not necessarily either one of them individually, although I love coach and Joe, I want them to have like a altruism off or like a more noble off. Like I want them to be on opposite sides, but yet still be like, I'm like, I can't lie. Like they both be like, like going at each other, but like not being able to lie. That is what I

want to see. I mean, Q interacting with Aubrey is obviously one of the people who are going to be excited about seeing just how he reacts and handles that. I mean, I always love seeing Sarif. I think it'll be interesting to see how she does again with this format and how wild also it is 24 people 24 is so many. How many and 26 days? Yeah, yeah, I know just gonna show up at night and be like hey time to go Okay, he's like he's like putting like spikes around camp like we got a medivac at least two people He's like breaking like it's the most dangerous challenges ever.

It's like we don't have time for, you know, what is it? 21 travel councils. We're gonna have to like medivac a couple of y'all. That's so funny. Swim through this short pit. Yeah, good luck. It's actually like Squid Games. We're playing Red Light, Green Light, the first people to get eliminated. Like I can't wait to see it I mean there It is it is an interesting cast and it does feel kind of random in some places But I think I think it'll be fun to watch a lot of them and how they how they play it did feel really heavy

You know 45 46 47 and 48 like really heavy back there. But again, it'll just be interesting to see how people interact. Colby will be another one to watch come out because he was really strong with the challenges and then he was not really strong with the challenges. It'll be fun to see how he bounces back.

I don't know. I'm excited just to see the dynamics that happen. That's all of it. Who did you like watching before you were on Survivor? What were the players that you really liked a lot when you were watching? Oh, well, okay, so I started with season 28 and season 18 and just latched on to all the characters from those.

I love watching Tyson. The thing was, actually, what was my first season of, I don't know if 18 was my first season for Tyson. My first season of Tyson was actually the one that he won and I wasn't a huge fan of him then. I was like, he's just, it's not his like funny self as much in that season because you can tell he had like a, I'm going to win this thing. But going back and watching, I liked JT, I liked Tyson, Coach is obviously a character

that was fun to watch. I was a big fan of Taj. Still am, still would love to see her go back out there. Tony, my first time watching, because it was my first season, did not like him because I didn't know how the game worked. He was like, this guy is awful. But now I've grown to respect him.

He's like, man, he's a ton of fun. I think Spencer is a great one that I've enjoyed watching. And those are kind of like the main name brand ones anyways, which I feel kind of like a cop out saying those, but those are some of the ones that I've always enjoyed and enjoyed watching them come back. Tasha was one of the ones that I enjoyed watching. Funny enough, before I went on Survivor, I had a dream that I went on Survivor

and was completely a boring player and was like a goat till the end. And I met Tasha and just like, I apologize profusely to her. I was like, I'm so sorry. I was a boring player. I don't know why that was in my brain. But I was like, Tasha, I've let you down. And she's like, I don't know who you are.

But I was like, I've let you down. And so, but there's lots of different people that I enjoyed watching. I mean, so Ree was always one to watch Ozzy, especially in his first seasons was one that I really appreciated and enjoyed getting to watch. We actually have somebody in the back of the stream here. Tasha just jumped in, so we're going to add her now. I'm so sorry.

I don't even know what she's up to nowadays. I follow her on Instagram, she doesn't post very much. She doesn't, yeah, I always liked her so much. I always thought she was great both times. And she's one I would have liked to have seen for a round three. I think that would have been fun.

She's one who I really appreciate it, regardless of what the situation was, she was like, I'm not giving up. I'm gonna figure out how to make this work. I'm gonna figure out a way that this this I can come out on top of this. And I really did appreciate that there, of course, her whole try. Like she had a crazy tribe to begin with as well. Pretty iconic.

I got to run the numbers on that. There's something there. However, you, Hunter, you have an event coming up. There may be a disaster. So if you want to come. Yeah, I've got our our big squid games meets survivor event happening at the end of July. It's going to be a ton of fun. Knock on wood. It's just it's going to start at five p.m. on a Friday and run through the night and

then in that next Saturday evening. I already got my hundred players so I can't invite people to come, but I've got people coming from all over like Oregon and I had someone from West Virginia and Florida. They're all going to come in and compete for $2,000. And also I have some survivor players who are going to come and join, but everyone's going to have their number, their jersey 1 to 100 and be out there in the Mississippi heat competing. I am very excited about it. I've got a nervous. I've never done over this many people before but they'll be

fine. Will you live stream? Will people at home be able to watch as it's going see? See, that's the thing my goal. Absolutely. Sometimes it gets a little crazy like if we're running around or behind schedule or it's just madness because the people who I usually have helping me are gonna be playing this time

like they want their chance to enter into the ring. And so I'm gonna have my high schoolers who are usually playing being the one helping. And so we'll have it on the Instagram kind of live streaming and checking in and trying to keep people updated. But don't sue us if we don't do a great job. Like forgive us, it will't do a great job. Forgive us, it will probably be a little bit crazy,

but if you're up at two o'clock in the morning trying to watch a live stream, props to you. I'm impressed, I'm impressed. But yeah, so if people want to keep up with that, they can follow me on Instagram and then I'll be linking the Instagram that we use for the event. So I wanted to get you down there Brandon, but you keep you keep passing up on it.

I listen. I said it. Every squid games needs that first blood. That's the hard part. That's the hard part is these people are going to travel from however far. And then we're going to start like five. The first elimination will probably be about seven, seven-thirty, and then the first group's gonna be gone by like eight-thirty. I'm gonna be like, I'm so sorry. Like, you came all this way.

Like, go home, I don't know. It's like, I feel kinda bad about it, but that's how it works, I guess. It is, that's the, listen, you go, I mean, you go to Squid Game, you fly to London, where they film that, and then you're out in a couple days. I actually have someone whose mom or grandma

was actually on the second season of the Squid Games. Oh. And so I was like, hey, okay, there you go. Listen, I wanna ask you this. I just thought as you were talking about your high school students, I get so many people who ask me to watch their audition videos and review them and

give feedback, whatever. And it's so many young male teachers. I feel like many, many, maybe over half the videos that I get sent are young teachers. You were a young teacher that got on the show. What do you think you did? I assume that all teachers are kind of giving their same What do you think you did? Like, I assume that all teachers are kind of giving their same spiel in the audition videos. What did you do differently, do you think, that stuck out as like a common profession that is applying for the show?

Well, what was interesting, a student sent in a video for me that got found. Yeah, so I think I had sent in a video at some point, because I am like kind of a baby survivor watcher. I started when I was in college in 2017 and really started watching it. And I have kind of like an addictive personality where I really like all the things.

And then I went to build them in my backyard. Like growing up in high school, I loved American Ninja Warrior. You ever heard of it? You know, and I have, I went out and I built like 17 other obstacles in my backyard and me and my brother would do that for hours. It's just, I don't know, it's just like my personality. So when I found Survivor, I was like, I have to find a way to do this. And so I started doing it

with the students here where I work and I loved it. This is awesome. And it slowly has grown, like grew over time. And then my student decided they were going to send in a video for me. And that's what got found. And then what's interesting is so many people talk about the survivors that they've done. Like, whenever I was in the process, they were like, hey, don't talk about the survivor that you do. And I was kind of like, hey, like, I don't think people realize the scale to which I do it. I have a tribal council in a tree with rope bridges and everything. Like, it's pretty large scale. And they're like, eh, we don't care. There's so many people that do stuff like that. And I was like, oh, okay. And so I actually got a call, didn't make it past like the first little round,

got called back the second time. And eventually just like left out all the survivor stuff that I do. Just like talked about who I was, where I was from. I hardly even talked about being a teacher. It was mainly focusing on just, you know, where I grew up, being outside. It was really fun. I was out in the woods recording mine and it just so happened like a baby deer comes walking up and so like I was like when that happened I was was like oh i've got a video for them now like i know like it's very you also this is the work yeah yeah and then the so i chased a deer it was this whole thing i couldn't catch the deer and the deer shows back up there's like this

running thread in the background of it what i would say is if you're a teacher, and a lot of them, do they do survivor stuff with their students, the ones that you see? Many of them, yes. Absolutely, yeah. You gotta find stuff in those and that because they see that all the time. And that's coming from someone who, not to toot my own horn, probably does it

to a larger scale than a bunch of people, they weren't even worried about mine. If you can get to Jeff, when I talk to Jeff, that's all Jeff want to talk about was the stuff that I do. Like seriously, like he was like, like the producers, the casting directors and producers did not care, did not want to hear about that. We're not worried about it. When I got to Jeff, they're like, let's talk about it.

Let's talk about how you do it. Let's talk about the, and I was like, yeah, this is like my wheelhouse to talk about this. But the first little phase, that's not what they're looking for. They're making sure you have, you know, traits outside of that. And so as you were telling them, I would just as bad as it sounds, and as someone who didn't agree with it to begin with, like you kind of got to get away from the survivors that you do. Yeah, it's so interesting.

It's like whatever it is about teaching is like that is the profession that I get a lot of folks that are want to play Survivor. And I think it is because they're getting to play miniature versions of it. I wouldn't even consider yours miniature, but you get to play that in your confined classroom and you get to show these kids who then end up loving it also. Like I get why that one that makes you want to go out there and play. But it's interesting. Like a classroom itself is very much like Survivor where you're dealing with all these personalities and there's not a group of people that you will find that is more similar to

a tribe in terms of sleep deprived and angry and generally don't like each other and just kind of moody and hungry. Like that is a classroom for you. Like there's the same people you deal with on the island, people who are sleep deprived and moody and don't like each other. And so they feel like they're playing it already. People want to quit. You know, people are literally you're trying to be like, don't quit.

And they're like, I'm out of here. I will say just kind of a funny story I did. I taught middle school science in my girl class. I had I was doing Survivor like with them just like, as they would take a test, we would have the highest immunity and they would vote each other out. And my first rule was like, hey, look, we're going to do this. It's going to be fun. There's no crying aloud.

Like if you cry, we have to stop. They broke that rule so fast. It was like, I was like, this is not healthy. These seventh grade girls weeping because their friend voted them out. And then we get to the end. And they were so nice. They were like, we're going to let her win because you got to be homecoming made. Oh, that's nice.

I know. I was like, where was the cutthroat that was happening earlier when people were weeping like? Yeah, you really I mean, it is building your own societies. They had to is the reason. I think that's beautiful. You know, middle school is its own jungle. It's its own. Jungle that you have to work your way through when we were, you know,

when I'm in elementary school and I'm the only one in my class who watched Survivor at that point, when we had like indoor recess, when it was raining outside, that is all we were doing. And it was, you know, you were leading them. You're like, this is what we're gonna be doing. I was leading and I was Jeff because I didn't want to you know, I wanted to play. You can't vote me out. I'm Jeff. Sure. And listen, now we're here. So it

worked out. It worked out for everybody. Yeah, here we are. Thank you so much, Hunter for joining us to talk about tiff tell people where they can follow you where they can check everything out, especially for the game. Look, I put my tag thing right here, Instagram handle. I did this before with Robin. He said that was fun to do. So that's it. You can follow me on Instagram. I haven't been super active this summer because I've been busy getting people ready for the games, but it's going to start back up. And so if you're interested, follow there.

And then maybe next year you can be joining in and coming and playing with some of your survivor favorites and winning. Yeah, and Brandon Brandon is going to be there as well. He's going to have to beat you though. It's going to be his game to win. It's going to be my game to win. I want that $2,000 and I'll do anything. Okay. Well, yeah, but perfect. We love that. We love it. Jeff needs you on this season

of Survivor to like get some people out of here. Like this year, we're actually letting people kill each other because we don't have enough time for tribal councils. Like that's where we're starting with 100 players, but we're ending with 96. Yeah, we will not make it. We will not make it. Well, be one of the 96. Keep listening. We've got two more folks that are going to be talking about Survivor 46. Thank you for joining everybody. Take care and don't leave because we'll see you in a second. We are back with another, we're in the Super Size episode of Survivor 46. We're here talking Charlie Davis. I know a lot of Taylor Swift songs and I just, I record these little intros like in my head right when I hit the record button. Wish I could segue. From my wildest dreams, sure.

It's Ben Katzen, Ben, how are you? I'm chilling so hard right now. I am so stoked to talk about Charlie. It's gonna be sick. Charlie's your buddy, you know what I mean? There's not a lot of like, in the new era, you have a couple like, you know, two person alliances that are there, you know, great on the show, obviously, but then they're not hanging out all the

time. You and Charlie. It's kind of funny. It's like, even in our season, there's some duos, you know, and, and you watch the show and you go and meet other casts and you're like, you guys are still tight, right? People are like, yeah, you know, whatever. I think I talked to Charlie. This is the longest I've gone without talking to him since we met.

You know what I mean? I think we talk like every day or every other day. You know? What do you miss about him? We're so not alike, but we so have the same case for wanting to be abused by anything, you know? And yeah, I think I just at this point, when you're friends with somebody this deep and have experienced something like that, and you know, we both love Lord of the Rings and

I know I'm just I think we're just so different that it's fascinating to hear each other's perspectives maybe, I don't know. But I love just hopping on the call with him at like one in the morning and talking shit. And you know what, you guys have extensively traveled also, you're going over to the UK, you're doing whatever. How is, how is the dynamic as two people who are very different as like travel companions? Oh yeah, I mean, other than being different as people, I think we're both, we both have a thirst for adventure and experiencing things. You know,

like when we went to England, it was like we spent maybe 10 minutes in the hotel. Like we pretty much tried every fish and chips. Uh, our girlfriends were with us. They're down to clown too. Um, you know, we went to the cavern club where the Beatles used to perform, saw Taylor Swift, went and found this like weird white chocolate, Biscoff, Kit Kat, that was only sold at Tesco. So it was like a treasure hunt. I'm just saying we're down, you know? It's sick. That sounds phenomenal. Also, shut up to Tesco. If you're listening, Tesco, and I know you are, send some my way, send some over here. I'd love that. I would love that too. Charlie has a confessional very early in season 46 of that he's, I don't want to put words in his mouth. I don't

remember exactly, but he's like, you know, socially he was doubting himself when he got out there. He was really finding his like rhythm. In the pre-game, what was your assessment of Charlie's, was he already settled or did he look a little bit nervous? Okay, so I don't know if I've told this before publicly, but I've definitely told this a few times. I thought Charlie was like one of those like, man, I'm gonna get so screwed for this. But I thought Charlie was like,

he had these weird headphones on for runners. Don't go in your ears, they go like around your head. And he had a very awkward like duck walk, like his chest was out, you know? Like I couldn't gauge him. And then he was reading a book about like David Koresh and Waco. So like, I was like, who's this like lunatic?

You know what I'm saying? Like I was so dialed in in pregame, I was like, who's this like lunatic? You know what I'm saying? Like I was so dialed in in pregame. I wasn't looking at anybody because Shaheen was trying his best to get people out so he could get put in. And there was a lot of like there's a lot of like Shaheen energy the whole time. So I tried not to make assessments of people and just like sit at the table. I wish I had my sketchbooks, but I drew everything at Ponderosa. I would look at people and draw them and then I'd write things about them. But for a person like Charlie, it's a weird thing to have that be your first interaction

of him because once he starts talking and you hear his voice, you're like, oh, he's like a cartoon character. You know what I'm saying? Like he's so fun and innocent and sweet. You know what I'm saying? So that was like the only read, you know, I was just like, and weirdly enough, Tim, too, I remember thinking Tim's not cut out for this game because he was getting motion sickness on the boats to the pregame press, you know, and then on day one, I threw up all to the pregame press, you know. And then on day one, I threw up all over the boat. So I did it. You did.

Yeah, there was I think I think we did that opening shot. That last 30 seconds took like hours and it was storming that day. So the boat kept going like this, you know, like. And so I went out to the back just to like hurl. And I noticed I like the first time I saw Hunterl and I noticed, it's like the first time I saw Hunter and Liz and their outfits and stuff like that. Because all the boats people had, people were hanging over the other boats too, you know? You know what?

People who go play Survivor in Fiji, especially in the new era, everybody's got boat horror stories. I was on a couple boat rides. We had all good boat rides. I was on, I was like in, it's a small world, boat ride. But it's tough. You were there the whole time and there were rough, that's, I guess it's the time that you filmed too,

is like making- Yeah, it was just, I think that the first one was definitely the worst one. I didn't mind too many after that. I think I hated more so having to reshoot walking down the beach with the torch so many times after not eating for like eight days. But yeah, but Charlie rips.

Charlie rips. And funnily enough, so like, talk about my perspective of Charlie, we get to the marooning challenge and Jeff announces we're Seagun. That's the first time we heard our tribe name. And Charlie was the first one. So he goes, let's go Seagun. And it's like, I love this guy. He's great, dude. You know, he brings team spirit, which is something you need, you know, and you guys had a lot of it. Yeah, I think me and him vibed very hard. I mean, he was the first person I made an alliance with because we got we totally screwed up that savvy challenge. But, you know, like, it's funny. He made that confessional about being awkward.

And yeah, he clearly is awkward to an extent, but like, you would never tell because he knows how to insulate himself. And it's like, he's not awkward. He's just random. So it's like funny and goofy, but like it's endearing. So it's like, he sticks out but not in a bad way, you know, and we would come up with so many games to pass the time we played this one game that I learned on Torn Scotland, which is where you take a movie title and then you got to take a letter out and then you got to sell the new plot and

everybody's got to guess the new movie title. For example, this is Charlie's version. He goes, Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson are bioterrorists that go to parties and spread diseases by scratching people. And then the title would be wedding rashers instead of wedding crashers. You know? So we spent a lot of time trying to make games

so everybody could feel like we were having a good time. Did everybody enjoy that? I would enjoy listening to everything. I don't know. I think we had a good time playing games. I mean, we did like cha salsa dances and we would go fishing on the boat. But this is before we learned how Maria operated.

We thought Maria was cool. And I know Gem was like gunning for me on day one. But I think if we look back at Survivor 46, Post-Merge was like a horror movie. And Pre-Merge really was a lot of fun. And even though I felt like we were playing the game, Maria ended up being like one of the most heinous experiences I've ever had. I think people had a good time because we were laughing the whole time. I think that's why we were so shocked at the merge. Like I think that's why we were so shocked at the merge. Like I think the vibe was we were all kind of like the other new era seasons before 46.

We were just so grateful to be on Survivor and really were Kuma ya we didn't really think it could get so like, you know, knife in the back, which you should always expect in Survivor, but some people made it more per about some people made it more personal than making it about gameplay. I think that also is why I love Charlie so much because we were bros till the end and post game too. I like the horror movie analogy is good because the pre-merge is like what they show in the

movie trailer before you know it's a horror movie. You know what I mean? Exactly. This looks fun. This is great. then we get dark. We get dark. Oh, so, so dark. I asked Hunter this about Tiffany,

just, and if you're watching this, you already heard that. But my favorite question that I asked him was, tell me like, what is Charlie better at than anybody else that you played Survivor with? What's like the thing that Charlie has that nobody else has? And even going into season 50,

it will be hard to beat him at this thing. I think he's, other than, it's funny you asked Hunter, but the only two people I think that didn't lose their cool the entire season were him and Hunter. Everybody else, edit aside, had some sort of lash out yelling at the top of their lungs. There wasn't a single person not guilty of this, you know, and Charlie just knows how to keep cool. It's weird. He's so good at being a lawyer. And even when we got home from the game and like half the cast was just

like insufferable, you know, he knows how to take himself out of it. And objectively view things. And I think that's also why he went so under the radar, you know? I think that's also why he went so under the radar. So I think he's got a really good self-regulating way of carrying himself. Because you watch Survivor and some people, they let their emotions get the best of them, as you saw the jury at our final tribal.

And, dude, don't get me wrong. I said this to Hunter also is that like, I think it's great for particularly Tiffany and Charlie to go in having played with people who are such big personalities. Cause really like everybody on the season is a big personality. Whereas they are also, but definitely a step back from a,

and we'll talk about coach, but we'll talk about your coaches, your cues, that very eccentric, you know, Angelina, that very eccentric personality. I think both Charlie and Tiff have a real shot of making it really deep. I think to some extent, like, you know, the thing going against Charlie is that he didn't that he, you know, lost to a bitter jury, right? But he doesn't have like an Operation Italy to his name. So it's not like anybody can go and say, oh, he's going to do this, this or that.

They just know he almost won, right? And Tiff even more so she's the lowest placed person on the cast. But dude, she's great at you know, she's great at making bonds. It's just like, I've been hanging. I was actually hanging out with Tiff quite a lot right up until she left. It's funny, I found out what everybody else did. I had like one inkling that she was going, you know, I didn't. She asked me if I got the call and then I didn't ask her if she got the college.

She made a face painting. She was like in the back. I was like, I was like, OK, interesting. But I think Tiff is really cool, you know, other than how she treated me at final tribal. You know, I'm like, I do interesting. But I think Tiff is really cool, other than how she treated me at Final Tribal. I do think she has a great shot. Yeah, it's a great group for her and Charlie, I think in particular, as I think like, even the new era people,

if the old era people are studying the dossiers of the old era folks, I don't know if the biggest fish to fry is Charlie or Tiffany. I think Charlie more so than Tiffany, but they're in a great lower level. Totally. I just wonder too, it's like because the cast is so, I mean, we've all talked about the cast.

I think it'll be a good season regardless, but because it just seems so unthemed and so ridiculous. I wonder how it's gonna go, because I also believe, survivor, everybody can sit at home and make their assumptions of how they would play. But the most interchangeable thing about any season, which is why I'm curious about seeing how people do is,

people can be really great on their season because it's down to the mix of people they've been cast with. I think it's the reason some people win seasons while doing nothing versus some people lose while doing a ton because of the mix of people. I'll be curious to see like it's a very random mix. What's everybody's vendetta? What's everybody's story? You know, because not everybody on 50 has such a like, they were robbed or got stabbed in the back or made out like not everybody has some crazy multi season arc. You know, so I'm curious to see how it will go for a ton of it. Do you think you would if you had to enhance the group for Charlie, what would you have

done to this group? Is there anybody that you would take out or put in to like get Charlie the best chance of winning? I don't know. It's an interesting question. I think he has a lot of good friends out there. Off camera, like some of the best friends we've made on Survivor are Coach and Dee. And I'll be curious to see what the dynamic is amongst the 46ers. I know, I feel like Q is cooked, you know, I feel like everybody knows about his Meshuggahs.

And there's I think there are bigger threats from the new era, you know what I'm saying? I think Genevieve is a bigger threat. I think D is a bigger threat openly. But that's the other thing too. It's like, sometimes people get taken out just for being a threat and haven't done anything. So will that still be a motive on 50? Like, will they go for Jonathan Young early as he can win challenges? Or are they going to say, Oh, Genevieve's been quiet these last few days? Like, how will that go? You know?

Yeah. I mean, Jonathan's an interesting one too is like, I don't think you need him. You know what I mean? I understand he's great at the physical challenges. He certainly is much better than maybe anyone in the history of the show. As I just said this to the 42 gang that we talked to. But in that pre-merge, like, you know, we're all operating under the assumption that two tribes are going to go to tribal council each time, each round.

So it's like, they're going to lose anyway. You know what I mean? Like, he's got so many connections on the older side of the of the franchise that like, why wouldn't you take them out? That's what will be interesting too. It's like, you know, all these players that have definitely seen Winners at War and have been killed by the younger players. I wonder if any of them are going to attempt something new.

And you know, it's so lopsided for the older players. It's like 40 seasons, 12 people, and then nine seasons, 12 people. So it's like, how are they going to insulate in these dynamics? And also the newer players? We're like in a frat. It's like you go to all these watch parties, you become friends with people so quick. I don't think Colby is calling, you know, Charlie ahead of the game to see where his head is at about this whole thing. You know,

you have, and maybe I'm gonna make this, out of all 700 people on Survivor that have played Survivor, you I think are the only person who has two best friends playing Survivor 50. Yeah, I think so. I would, you know, honestly, and I'm going to throw Dee into that category. Dee and I are like, I would say she's like stepsister cousin energy, you know, after because 45 and 46 films back to back and then we would hang out non-stop ahead of our seasons. It was so funny to find out she lived down the street from my

band's warehouse, you know, and it is crazy. I've got like some good homies going on on 50. I mean, I've it's really hard. I have learned through the filming of 50 just how close I am with some of these people because I talk to coach and Charlie like every day and not about survival. We have millions of other interests, but it does feel a bit intense that I haven't talked to like my two best buddies and like over a month, you know. So tell people who aren't as familiar with the you and coach relationship, how did that start for you guys?

I don't even remember how it began. I know I know Carolyn was homies with them and Carolyn was one of the first people I met that wasn't on my season. We hit it off and I knew coach had talked about playing trumpet at some point and I was working on the tears on the beach album, you know, and I was like, you know, I'm just gonna shoot this dude a DM, see what happens. I said, someone was like, Coach, I know people hit you up all the time.

Yes, I played Survivor. Dude, I just think you rule, but like, I'm working on some tracks about my time on the show. And seriously, I would love to have you play. Like, I think that would be the coolest thing ever. And he DM'd me back and we hopped on a call and it's like, it is true what Tyson says. He's got the badass Steven Seagal energy.

And that first phone call must have lasted a couple hours. I'm a dork, but yesterday I was at the Heavyweights 30th anniversary and I'm sitting there thinking like, what am I doing in this theater? Just like, you know, remembering myself as a kid, being an outsider, watching this movie about outsiders, you know, having this moment and I realized like life is a series of moments that you've got to pursue and like whether it's being in a band and you get to play a show, let alone go on tour, meet your idols like Metallica. I'm always trying to live my life and I think regardless of how Coach is edited on his earlier seasons, I think he's a very earnest person that does have a lust for life. There is a lot of like, you know, there is a lot of like he is out there trying to be in

the world and I love that. I love those types of people. I try not to surround myself with the same types. And he's an epic man, you know? So we just hit it off. And when you get home from the show, you're bonding with your cast most of the time. My cast shut me out due to a certain person who said a bunch of lies about me. So I didn't get to really make up with a time, my cast shut me out due to a certain person who said a bunch of lies

about me. So I didn't get to really make up with a lot of my cast till it started airing. I really just had Charlie and Tim and some of the pre-mergers and coach became one of those people and we would share our grievances, but also talk about like, all right, if you weren't like, you know, a soccer coach, what would you be? And now he's like, I'd love to be a musician. Like dude, you should fly and play the show. Coach and I played concerts around the country. You know, we played at Disneyland.

I've attended. Dude, wasn't it sick? It's pretty sick. Pretty sick. Yeah, and I think he's just a dope dude. I mean, I went to his house for Thanksgiving. It was so sick. How was it, how is it coach Thanksgiving?

What does that look like? Giant turkey. Everybody was ripping on him because I Photoshopped the turkey to be larger in the photo. I did it badly on purpose, you know, but I saw Reddit just like roasting him. I was like, yo, roast the turkey, but it was great. You know, like we hung hard as a Jew.

He helped me chop down my first Christmas tree. You know, how do you my girlfriend, Liesel, was there. And coach has all these pinball machines and all this like. More of stuff throughout his life, like survivors, just a fraction. That's how you know, like he has a million stories on top of the Amazon, on top of playing, you know, South Pacific. And trying to think of what my favorite one was. I mean, this isn't even Survivor related,

but like we're sitting in the driveway. He's like, when are you gonna learn how to drive? I was like, I don't know. I'm waiting for somebody to teach me. He like tosses me his keys. He's like, we're going in the Chevy Blazer right now. So go into this giant truck and coaches teaching me to drive like stick shift around Susanville, California.

Is that real? Like you learned how to drive? I have footage. I have footage of it. That is so funny. I don't think I knew that. I don't think most people do. I don't advertise like everything I do on the internet, but I do think there will be

some good content being made once Coach is back from doing 50, you know? Is the lust for life the reason that you think Coach wants round four or does he have like this higher motivation that's elsewhere that he wants to go back? I can't speak for him. I think he does feel pretty fulfilled, you know, with his survivors. I mean, yeah, it's, as somebody who made it the third place, I can't imagine where it's like to go multiple seasons and then make it run or

up, you know, what was he out at four or five on token jeans? Five and then first jury member. Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, for him also, I think, I think it was different for him when he went on. You know, the fandom wasn't what it is now. You didn't have like message boards and these crazy watch parties. And I think a lot of the experience

on those earlier seasons that I've heard from a lot of players is they didn't realize they were popular. They believed the hate they read in like Entertainment Weekly or whatever. And now I think a lot of these players are realizing, you know, when coach comes to shows and fans are telling them how much they love him.

And it's like, I think he's just taking a bath. So I think maybe it's coming from like a kind of a rocky six. Like I've been out of the ring. Let me enjoy this one more time kind of vibe. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying, you know, his hardest. I just wonder if like there's a coach that lays dormant, like the dragon slayer only exists when he's out of Survivor. And he lays dormant until he hits the beach. Like, what is his mind going to out there, you know?

Yeah, you may have never met this coach. Like, you might be seeing a new guy. That's what I'm saying. I mean, don't get me wrong. The coach that comes on stage slays dragons, but. He does, and I've seen it. Yeah, but I do wonder, you know? It's so interesting.

So tell me like, and again, exclusive information for the Survivor 50 Files, what's the coach and Charlie relationship? Like pre Survivor 50, like how many, have you facilitated not about Survivor 50? Have they met otherwise? I think probably any new era person that's met coach has met them at one of my shows.

And I think the same goes for Charlie. Charlie met coach at that Williamsburg show, you know. I can't speak for either of them, you know, about pregame alliances. But, you know, Charlie, I think coaches his favorite player. I mean, Charlie has a little sailboat named the Dragon Slayer, you know? So I would imagine that those two, I mean, I told Charlie, I was like, you might not have this man out there, but coach's real name is Ben Wade. So you got another. That's a good one.

That might make it a confessional. That's a good line. I hope it does. That's confessional. Yeah, coach, when I met him that night, I only, we, we, we interface for, you know, 20 seconds, but I mean, for me, for 11 year old Brandon, who's watching Tocantins live, I mean, how cool is that? Nobody's ever been nicer to me while also thinking I was David Jelinski, which is the

interaction that I had. Um, but we, man, he loved Jelinski. So we were, we chopped it up for a minute, but it's super cool. You know, you know what about Coach? He's so big. He's a big guy. Yeah, he's very tall and he's very fit. You know, like those videos of him saying he's not going to go in 50 while lifting weights

and simultaneously documenting his hundred hour fast. I'm like, yeah, who on this group and I'll bring up the graphic here. Who do you think that without prior information from you, who do you just see Charlie gelling with in this group? Hard to say. I mean, I think he would get along great with, you know, an Emily or Genevieve. Charlie's one of those funny ones that like, I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but he is a one size fits all. Like he understands people, you know, he said it himself to me on the island. He's like, I might be a normie, but I'm self aware, you know, like, yeah, it's a great line. And I think that he is very adaptable. You know, I think I'd be interested to see who his starting tribe is. I think that's where I'm most curious. I wonder who they're going to put Ozzy on a tribe with. You know what I'm saying?

Because you got to imagine if they're dividing three tribes, they're going to put Jonathan on a tribe. They're going to put Joe on a different one, you know, like, so I wonder who Charlie's going to be tried out with, but I think he could get along great. My worry is just there are those players like Jed or Mike White, you know, that are so good at separating who they are at least early in the game that I just want him to be able to read through the whatever BS is out there. You know what I'm saying?

I think Genevieve has a similar quality to Charlie, but I wonder if there's anything to like the people who are like Charlie is for everybody. You know, I wouldn't introduce Charlie to my parents and you know, my like, you know, my girlfriend's friends, like just people on the street, what have you. But I wonder if there's something to like the people who are not for everybody, all recognizing that there's the guy who is for everybody. And then that's the reason that Charlie ends up getting swiped because like the harder personalities to gel with can all agree that this guy's got

a better personality than- And that's what I'm saying. But I do think if there's one thing I would like, I think what the fans don't realize, because they're all like such critics, but you're going back a second time, you'd be stupid to play the same game twice. You know, like the best thing you can do

is use your people's perception of you as a weapon. So it's like, I would hope Charlie's gonna go out and be a little more cutthroat, you know. Because the thing that would suck the most is for him to be in a situation where he's plays an entire game with somebody who becomes bitter and then takes credit for everything and then throws him under the bus to the jury, you know, and I think that must be something he does think about.

And I'm sure that's something that he's going to go back with a little steam, you know? Yeah. And we'll see. Do you know what the prep looked like for Charlie pre this adventure? I know that he's been he got a full time job. He got home and finished and took the bar and then became a lawyer. So he's pretty religious about his jogging. Like if you live in Boston, you'll see him on any given day with his shirt off, just like, but, um, I don't even know if he really had time to prep, you know what I'm saying?

Other than what he originally has done, you know? Yeah, it's interesting. It's very fit already. So I am very interested to see. I think he's coming in, like I said, it's such a great spot and I don't think he's the top of anybody's list. I mean, they're going to do like in the pregame, you know, they did it for winners at war of like, I think Dalton Ross and Mike Blue Massage.

Your first target is nobody saying Charlie. You would imagine what he's saying Charlie. I imagine I imagine that there's a certain letter of the alphabet that's coming up more often. Tell me about But tell me about, tell me about, we talked about- Don't get me wrong, I've hung out with Q plenty of times. Yes. I think off the island, he is so endearing and despite the fact he was an absolute nightmare

until he got humbled by his edit, he is very fun and knows how to step into character. But I think he is that type of person that if you're a player and have watched the show and have watched it since you've played and you know you're going on the island with somebody that chaotic, you would have to be crazy to not think about Q at the top of the list of like, you know, this guy sold out all his number ones like where, where can I really work with them? You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, again, if you, if he liked Charlie, once they come in and play a different game, like certainly I don't know what that looks like for Q and if Q will do that, I think Q is going to full send it the same way that I feel like coach from 18 to 20 full sends it. And it's just really coach. I think that's what we're getting with Q is that we're going to see like totally really cute. You need an arc, you know coach. I think that's what we're getting with Q is that we're gonna see like really cute. You need an arc, you know? And that's the interesting thing about coach is I think despite the Christian cult,

I think he was more aware than he lets on. You know, I don't want to reveal too much behind the curtain, but like, you know, coach does tell a lot of crazy stories and I do think there's truth in all of them. And I think that he is one of the most earnest people I met. I don't think he does things to look cool, you know what I'm saying? I think he just does things and people make their opinions and that's, I think I'm kind of the same way, you know, with my love for shredding and all this stuff. It's genuine, you know? And I

think when Coach thinks about his time on Survivor, I think he probably would agree that he might think about South Pacific more than the other two seasons, just because that's the one he almost won. So I wonder, knowing all the missteps on South Pacific, where he did make it as runner-up and he did make it to the end and he did deliver on a lot of promises, but then everybody in that cult kind of felt betrayed. Like, what will he do with that info going into, you know, 50? And it's the same thing with Charlie. It's like that dynamic with Maria where it's so funny, they call themselves the middle because Maria didn't talk to anybody at the bottom. So I think like, you know, if Maria went to the end with any with me, if Maria

went to the end and me, Liz, Kenzie and Charlie on her jury, I don't know that Maria would have won. You know what I'm saying? I know Red is probably going to say a bunch of shit about me saying this. But I think back to what I was saying earlier, it's like, Charlie, I don't think he rode Maria's coattails, but he was a bit too in the trenches and didn't have anybody to fight for him at Ponderosa. So I would think that he would probably be a little more forthcoming about his strategy rather than waiting to say it at final tribal, which, you know, can be a problem too, because

it's like pride is a sin, but unfortunately you need to let people know what you're doing on Survivor, you got no shot, you know? You know, the sending somebody out to like, rep for you strategy. Like people, you know, you see like, this is not the same situation, but when Andy gets idled out of season 47,

he says to Rachel, like, if you're there, like to let people know how I'm doing. But it is an interesting thing of like, it's not the worst thing in the world if one of your close allies goes in those first couple of spots, because they set the tone. And if you have nothing to do with it, you get a great, you get a great person to just, you know, speak your praises. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. And this isn't a topic about 46, but like, you know, I think I said this when I talked to Rob like a year ago because that's when our season finished airing.

That's what kind of sucked for anybody in the final four except Kenzie. The only way anybody had a shot at getting votes was to send the entire six to the jury. They were like so, and I'm friends with them. But the truth is they were so arrogant. None of them seemed they were also intent on taking themselves out because they all thought of themselves as threats. They failed to see that the people they didn't take into accountability were also playing that game and helping maneuver that, you know, and I'm just hoping he does have a ride or die out there if he makes it to the end,

because that'd be sick. You know, we didn't, if Tim made it first on the jury, I think it would have been different. You know what I'm saying? That's interesting. Yeah, for sure. And that was the like, I'm sorry, no, no.

Tim and were Tim and Soto the same night? Yeah, and Soto was first on the jury. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Who would you pick for Charlie's ride or die? If you had to pick somebody on season 50? Oh, my God. I would personally a coach. Charlie Alliance is like, that's what I'd be rooting for.

You know what I'm saying? Pull that cast up, did. Let's do it. I could also see Charlie and like Angelina. You know what I mean? I love that. I think that speaks to me. I think it would be so sick if like I could I could see a Charlie Surrey dynamic, you know? Also I'll say this, you know, like, Charlie and Kyle are both the same levels of cool. You know, what was Kyle's line?

The best average guy you'll ever meet. I love Kyle. I've gotten to hang out with him a ton, you know? And I think it must have been such a blitz for his season to be airing. I don't know how much if any pre-gaming was done, but I would love to see those two as a duo, you know, and I would like that a lot also. And Camilla is really cool. I mean, they were in town for the 48 finale and we were partying at some mansion in the Hollywood Hills and the whole day we were talking about playing Smash Bros and everybody was picking their alliances.

And then by the time it was time to play the game, which was three, and we were also sloshed, we didn't play. But I'd love to see the dynamics come out off Ireland within Smash Bros, you know. And I mean, two days later, they left to Fiji. So Kyle and Camilla in particular, like they're shopping around for new number ones. They can't be number ones again. You know what I mean? It would be crazy. And as a fan, I love those two.

But the last thing I need to hear is like, like the another confessional about Camilla and I are a duo. You know, I thought of the other day thinking about this is like, we do need to make like a, and I'll, I can captain this marketing initiative, but like we need to make a bingo card for that first episode. Cause I think you a thousand percent get that confessional. I think you a thousand percent get Rick Devon's doing the weatherman sound. I am getting right now.

That's the first confession is you get Rick Devon's doing the weatherman sound. Totally. I mean, this is who I'm rooting for. You know, I'm rooting for Charlie and Tiff. You know, I'm obviously rooting for coach. It would be cool to see Suri go far. It really like, you know, win or lose to get that far. Each time you play a game is pretty cool. You know? Yeah.

Obviously, I love Kyle and Camilla. There's so many people on this cast that I think I would love to just see who they are in a second chance. You know what I'm saying? But I'm really, for me as a, like, you know, I didn't get any edit of strategic, you know, but I love the characters.

So it's like, it would be, I'm also hoping Angelina makes it far, you know? I wanna see things beyond just the gameplay, you know what I'm saying? Like- I want good TV. I want a good television show. And I think this cast will deliver good TV.

I think people are mad because they wanna see their favorites, but there's no rhyme or reason, which is almost a theme to itself on this cast, which I think would make for good TV. And the critique of like, you know, I want to see my favorites. Certainly. I get like the people that are snubbed, we've now we're however many episodes into this series, like we all know the snubs, but like your favorites are there too. Your favorites are on that

screen somewhere. Everybody's got one or two people. I know I do like as a lifelong fan, like and I can't wait to see like the interactions are even better than just having your people there. It's like, you know, totally. I mean, I want to explain this to the fans of Survivor at Home that are listening. But like, you know, we're all stoked to see them on the season. I'm stoked also as a friend just to know how my friends are going to do because it's such a unique experience. It's like sending your kids away to Camp Hope and finding out,

are they going to take down Tony Perkins? You know what I'm saying? But like, I was stoked to see like, you know, if they do go out earlier, if they make it to the end, like, what is that journey like for them knowing the context of everything behind what they went through? Because, you know, we love these people for what we know about them on their seasons, but Survivor affects everybody who goes on the show and monumentally changes your life, whether you're trying to stretch your 15 minutes or not.

So I'm curious to know like, how does that affect their normal life again, getting that call, you know? So it'll be cool. I'm still in the pre-press and the exit press. Is that what that exit press we got? The idea of like, you're gonna see people who didn't get to the end and have a best friend that made it to the end. They're going to get to the end. They're

going to feel that thing. You're going to see people who have friends who went out early, like shout out to your boy who then go out early and then have to have a similar experience. Yeah. You know, it's so like I have, I'm not a strategy guy. I think I've always said, like I watched survive for the storytelling, which totally changed my second season. Seeing the story of Coach is narratively to me more interesting than any vote split or any extra vote, whatever maneuver. I mean, the characters I love,

some of them are strategists, but the things I love about them is they're everyday people on level 10. I mean, Harvard-y, come on, like next level. Yes, great gameplay, but great TV. And like at this phase in her life, she's so down to earth and so cool. Her book is great, can't recommend it enough.

Coach, I mean, I know people like Coach growing up, people who just trying to become rock stars and going for the gold and really living for the epic tale they're going to tell on their deathbed. And Coach is so, he's so earnest and kind. I can't like overstate it, you know, and I'm Carolyn. I mean, when I was applying for the show, you know, it was, you know, it was like, I saw Gabler getting that girl voted out for not being able to name a mastodon song. And then I saw Carolyn, I was like, I was like, Oh, there are people like me, you know what I'm saying? Just like people who are out there, you know, and sometimes those are the stories that resonate the most. I think if survivor was, you know,

people say the Australian Survivor is so great compared to America because it is strategy and gameplay. But dude, the Australians are characters too. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's what I meant for some of the people on the show that, you know, watching them feels like watching paint dry, you know, end up becoming these, these something gets unleashed out of them, you know, like, sometimes you get like a, like a, like a mom who's never done anything for themselves in their life. And then they become like one of the biggest villains you've ever seen.

And you're like, it's epic storytelling. And that's what I'm there for, you know, that's at the end of the day too, like, it's just one of those things where sometimes people get out of the game and they hold onto their moves so hard. And I get it because I hold onto that with my art, my music. But for me, I'm like, did you entertain me? Was there something relatable? That's what makes me love them.

You know what I'm saying? You said this, but that is what makes the good strategist great TV is not because they can do the numbers. Like there's plenty of shows where people are just doing the numbers, but it's the person who's doing the numbers and the motivation behind. Like Parvati is a great example of exactly that.

I mean, that's the other thing. It's like when you're doing the numbers, you're also taking into account personality types. You know, you're like, okay, I've only known this person for 20 days, but they remind me of somebody at home and do I, you know, do I base this move based on what I predict they might do? Cause it's a type a type B Aries or a Gemini style person. You know, there's a lot of people. Yeah. There's a lot of people that do do that. And it makes

it for great TV. You know, Ben Katzman, you have a lot of stuff coming up. Tell everybody what you got coming up. I got a few things, you know, I feel really good about a lot. When is this interview dropping, by the way? This will drop next Monday, I believe. Oh, cool, all right.

So if you wanna chop this little bit out, but then bring it back in or leave it in, whatever. But yeah, I got a few cool things in the works. You know, we're playing with Def Leppard at Bethel Woods in a couple of weeks and I'm always working on new music, but I'm about to announce my own little talk show. And you know, I'm interviewing everybody from reality stars to rock stars to artists, people in my favorite movies. And it's me basically doing Pee-wee's Playhouse or Wayne's World. It's like, you know, I'm not interested in asking people what moves they make. And I'm more like, what was your life like when you went on that TV show? Or how did being in that movie affect who you are? And it's, we've

filmed a ton of episodes so far and it's been really interesting for me as a fan to learn more about these people that I grew up admiring, you know? And, sorry, I'm just getting this phone call, hang it up. And I'm just, I think it'll be really cool and I'm stoked to take it on the road.

I know like every white dude's got a podcast but I think this is something that people who maybe struggle with a sense of self or want to go for their dreams, you're going to get to hear about people who overcome their insecurities to become the people we know and love. And I'm hoping that when people tune into Masters of Reality, which is what I'm going to call it, when people tune into Masters of Reality, which is what I'm gonna call it. I was gonna say the name. Masters of Reality.

It's like the third Black Sabbath album, Master of Reality, that it's the kind of thing that, you know, gives people the gusto to go for it themselves. Cause I think a lot of us, you know, people watch a show like Survival, I could never do that. I'm like, no, you could. You don't know who you are till you're in it.

And going for anything in life, whether it's taking the safe route, getting a job in a cubicle, or trying to play a show with your band halfway around the world, it is a scary thing. You never know how anything is going to end up. And at the end of the day, I think you got to live a life well lived. I mean, I said it on Survivor. I know what it's like to survive off $3 a Taco Bell, because you're making no money. You don't know where you're going to sleep that night on the road. I've lived out of a suitcase for months on end. And but the high of chasing something is more important than the experience itself, I think.

And I hope that's what leads to a fun life. And that's at the end of the day, who knows if people are gonna care about survival 40 years from now, but when me and you are 80 years old and catching up, we have so many fun stories to tell. And I hope people just get inspired to go rock a little harder than they normally do, you know? I'm feeling it.

I'm already feeling it. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can't wait to at least see the first, we're gonna quote Blink 182's opening track off their self-titled, I'm Feeling This. Yes, tell me the first line. That is what I was gonna do. I'm feeling this.

I'm feeling this. That song was in Madden 04. Shout out to Madden 04 if you're playing that still. Where can people follow you? Right now, I've got my sub stack, but I haven't posted anything. But in the next week, you'll see a bunch of stuff. But the best place for all the Ben Katzman news is on my Instagram at bkdgreaser69.

Or I guess maybe follow Masters of Reality TV on Instagram. I haven't posted anything, but some presses come in and some cool clips. And I'm just trying to make things more fun. I think my motivation for everything is always to include people and always to have fun because we when we when we only glow when we all glow together, you know what I'm saying? And is that a song or is that from? No, I just I just like to say it, you know, throw that in a song.

That's good. But what is that line in all-star all that glitters is gold, but only shooting stars break the mold, you know We're gonna get copyright strike for that I'll take it out. Thank you so much Ben for joining us. We're not even done yet We didn't talk about Q yet. We have a Liz Wilcox who's joining us. Shout out to Liz dude. She almost won. We will be back in just a minute. Don't go anywhere.

We'll see you in a sec. We are back again. We got a new guest. Still the same episode of the Survivor 50 Files, talking season 46. We're talking Q. Everybody loves Q. Everybody's talking about Q. Feels like for the last two years. And I'm thrilled. I're talking Q. Everybody loves Q. Everybody's talking about Q. Feels like

for the last two years. And I'm thrilled. I'm not pissed. I'm the furthest thing because I have a great guest with me. Liz, how are you? Hey friends, I am doing so much better than the last time you saw me, I'm sure. Do you know? I'm sure this came across your desk, but the Applebee's of it all was ranked by the Rob is a podcast listeners as one of the test 10 best moments of the entire show. I had no idea. What right now? Yeah, there was a whole podcast last week about it.

There's you know, they they ranked the listeners of the podcast got to pick their favorite moments. We put like 100 in a list and you were in the top 10. Wow. What number? I'm so it's 10 through five, I believe. We'll cut this out of it's not 10 through five, but it's 10 through five. Which listen, that's still good. Forty eight seasons. Pretty good.

Listen. Well, you know, I'm not too big headed to, you know, give my, you know, pass out some flowers so shout out Q for starving me and, you know, helping me become the icon that I am and I will also say, I think if my if my darling was been my, you know, he used to be my husband now he's not if my darling was bend was to ever watch the show he's never seen the applebee's moment uh he would probably hate cube because since i've been home from the island and i realized oh i can say my piece and people will still love me i have been saying my piece to my darling was meant every now and again. So he would probably be like, I got a bone to pick with you and I'm like, get in line. Get in

line. Do you know it was been hasn't seen any episode of star 46 or just he didn't make it that far. He did not watch it at all. Sure, sure, sure. Well, the good news, Liz, is we all did. And we all love it so much. You had, we had talked a couple months ago through text where I had made a joke, I think, on a podcast and then I texted you where I would have liked

to have been the waiter at Applebee's if season 50 did a reward, which is said in jest because really that should be you. Do you want to make the announcement that you flew to Fiji and you were the waitress at Applebee's? I would love to make that announcement, but it never happened. I'll be straight up with the audience here because I did not want to be on season 50. I'm still recovering physically from the show. It's been I think I've been home like two years and one day now, at the time of this recording. And like, I feel like my hair is just now getting

back and like curly again. But I wanted to be I was running. And I was like, Oh, what if I was the Applebee's waitress? Like, wouldn't that be hysterical? I know they're gonna pick Q to be on 50. Like, wouldn't that just be so funny? And so I actually did apply. Like, I went to Survivor, CBS casting, whatever the URL is, and I made And I made like a 45 second video.

And I was like, hello, my name is Liz Wilcox. I was on season 46 of Survivor. I'm now known for being this Applebee's queen, Applebee's mascot. I am applying for the position of Applebee's waitress for that reward on season 50. I think that would be great because I can't remember what I said, but it was like an audition tape and I was like, just like this video, you probably weren't expecting someone on Survivor to apply for Survivor.

That out of the box thinking is what got me to fourth place. And I'm hoping it's what's going to get me out on that reward. You know, peace out. But I know I never heard back from casting. Do you know, Liz, how mad everybody who listens to this is going to be that you offered and they didn't take you up on the offer. Sorry about that. You know what? My theory is y'all my theory is that Applebee's will never sponsor survivor again because they're going bankrupt.

That's because they're closing shop. So I think, uh, I think, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't be, like I think I would be delighted if that was the last Applebee's reward ever. Because I think that would just make it even more iconic. Do you have an interesting distinction in Survivor history is you made a sponsor pullout, which I don't think has happened.

You don't want none of this, none of this. No, I think they're just, I think they're just closing too many stores. I don't think they can afford their sponsorship anymore. Is that terrible of me to say? That's my theory. You're putting me back on the map. Like, no, you know, listen, I'm not going to Applebee's

and we went, my girlfriend and I, the weekend that that happened. We were like, you know what? Applebee's does sound good. You're like, if you're that deep by Applebee's and we went, my girlfriend and I, the weekend that that happened. We were like, you know what? Applebee's does sound good. You're like, if you're that deep by Applebee's, we should go get that burger with the egg on it that I really like. It's so good. It's so, so good. Anyway, shout out to Q for making that moment happen. I got nothing but love in that regard for it now. Q has made a lot of moments happen on season 46. Many of them that you were there for.

You were present. Tell me about the Q first impression. Pre-game, you're walking through. I love this question and I've been wanting to tell people. I feel, cause you know, I got so much hate. Like, oh, you just hate Q, you're this, you're that. And I'm like, I actually loved this guy. I saw, I was sitting pretty close to him.

Like, I think he was the closest person next to me at Ponderosa before the game started. And I was like, this is my boo. I can just tell he's a large and in charge character. He's trying to be subtle, but he can't be subtle because he's Quintavius Burdett. And I was like, that is me. You know, like I see a lot of myself in him. And then he has he has a tattoo with his last name right here. Right. So I'm like, this guy's a family man. I'm going to know

exactly how to get him when I get on there. He looks like an athlete of some sort. I'm an athlete. You know, I'm a runner like this and that, you know, I was like, in my mind, Q and I, like number ones, right? Then, and this is, you know, a little pregame. One day, like he fist bumped me or something like I had pictures and I was like, got him, got him. Like, you know, he was probably fist bumping everyone. But you know, it's pregame everybody's in their own heads. Because I wasn't doing any of that. I was like, you know, you would think I was like mute the

way I didn't talk. I didn't smile like I really tried to just be like, they're not going to judge me at all here. Right. Well, you know, it's funny about that is that the rule breakers, they tend to do well on the show, like the people who are like going through pregame and like doing the fist pumping or like making them like I know Gabler was somebody that they all talked about, did that Cody from that season also did that I know Caleb my season was doing a lot of that. Q like these people they do well on the show. Maybe we should be breaking more rules. Maybe I wouldn't suggest it because it was also soda was doing that in our pregame and I was like she thinks she's winning she's gotta go. So I had a very like complicated relationship with her

before and I even, I was like, she's gonna be on my tribe, I know it. Yeah. So anyway. Did you get that vibe from Q? Q, I actually, and I know this is gonna sound crazy and the comments are delusional, delusional. Like I knew everyone that was gonna be on my tribe.

I wrote it down in my journal and I was right with all five people. Huh. What was the reason for you that Q would not be on your tribe for you? Because I wanted to be next to him and I just knew the universe wasn't putting me with him. Sure. I like that answer.

Yeah, I just knew like, oh, together we're gonna make a scene. And so there's no way we're together. And also I knew Tevin was going to be with me. And, you know, not to sound terrible, like they're not gonna put two black men on one tribe. Yes, sure. Sure. I was like, I know it's I know Tevin is with me. I just have this feeling. So however that sounds, but my impressions of Q

and even in the game, as we moved into the game, I was like, oh, this guy is even better than I thought. Like he's so big, right? And I consider myself a big kind of personality. You know, when he said, oh, we didn't do the sweat for Savvy, we didn't finish the sweat for savvy. We didn't finish it. It was a business decision. I was like, I knew it.

I knew this guy was a businessman. Like whether or not he's a good at it, I don't know. We'll see. Cause that was, seems like a bad business decision. I was like, this guy is so horse with blinders on, eyes on the prize, efficient thinker, and I consider myself very similar. I told Hunter and Tevin, I was like, we have to work with Q.

And they were like, really? That guy's so loud. He seems kind of, you know. And I'm like, no, he's so good. Like, let me tell you, I said, he is like me. He's got a big head, and if we just flatter him, he's gonna think he's in charge and we can let him be in charge

and move forward to the end. And they were like, oh yeah. And so he was the very first person when we got to the merge, I beeline for him. And I immediately complimented him because I knew if he's this big guy, people are gonna look at him. If he thinks I'm under his wing,

like he's gonna carry me and that's great. I love to be carried. I love to be driven around. I love to be carried to bed. I love to be tucked in. You know, like I was like, this guy is gonna be that for me. And so I beeline to him and I said, Q, I've been dying to meet you. And he was like, and smiled so big. And I was like, you're the only person I care

about meeting today. And he was like, I got you. I got you. What's your name? You know, and I was like, got him. And for the whole ride. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons he didn't pick me for the reward. He was like, Liz is a goat. Liz needs me. I don't have to feed her because I'm just gonna drag her to the end anyway.

And I think it was, you know, maybe my own doing. Maybe I did it a little too hard. Yeah, it's really interesting. So tell me about, even before we get to the merge, like you're in the pre-merge portion of the game, they're on the disaster tribe, if you will. They keep losing and losing and losing. You're not on the disaster tribe. You keep winning.

But the inner working dynamics of your tribe is in fact a disaster in that there's so much infighting happening. Can you like sense from the other disaster tribe that they're like not getting along either or was were you zeroed in on your task at hand? Personally I was paying I mean a little attention but not that much attention. I'm the type of player that you know I I'm gonna look at what's in front of me and I'm not gonna worry too much about anything else because, you know, the game moves so fast

and I didn't want to become paranoid. But I could tell, we could all really tell, especially after two, three challenges, like Q, Tiff, and Kenzie were pretty close. I thought Tiff was running the show. I go on a journey with Ben and Banu. Banu says Kenzie is running the show, which LOL, come on, Ben. Like what were we thinking teaming up with her? What were we thinking making a final four pack with her? Right? But I could sense that there was some kind of closeness there. I could see that Q, he thinks he's the coach, right?

And I could see who he was patting on the back with Ernest and who he was just like, it was like a death tap, right? Like, sorry, buddy, we did our best, but you gotta go. Was that Bono's representation of Q on that journey? What was his input there about how, like if Kenzie's running the show, what is Q doing? I don't know if he mentioned Q.

I think he said specifically, you know, Kenziezie's you think Tiff and Q are the brains, but it is Kenzie that is the brains. And that was really all he said about that. How was that for you? Because that that scene is one of the ones from season 46 that sticks out to me is the is the bono on the journey and you lived it. Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, and I know this is typical Liz, I picked Ben because I couldn't get a read on him. But I thought we were, you know, similar, like sympathico. And I picked Bono because I knew he was on the bottom and maybe I

could get some information. But once I hopped off the boat and Ben started talking and Bono started crying, I thought, Liz, you're not even going to be in the scene on TV. You dumb dumb. Why did you pick these two? And so that was really what it was like for me. I was really like, damn, I'm not even going to be on TV. This sucks. Yeah, for future Survivor players, when you're picking people for the journey, pick the people you think are doing nothing. You know, pick the boring ones. Get to springtime. Pick the moms. They'll never show them. That's well, that's when I went on the journey that I went on,

which is episode two, I had a feeling if we would have gotten voted out, it may have been me. So I was like, let me just get the airtime, like the airtime's here. You know, let's just grab it. Well, it's, you know, I might, this might be a quick journey for your boy. So why not? So the merge Q has this moment at the merge, which is now funnier with survivor 50 as he meets Mo and he's like talking with Moe. Moe's like Aubrey. We got about an outbreak.

One, Q right now playing with Aubrey on Survivor 50. Extremely funny. Survivor casting people, if that was done intentionally, luck. I'm sure of it. But you, Liz, got so much, and I don't find this to be true, but you got so much during the season, like Liz and Moe look similar, have a similar thing.

You know, why does Q think Moe is Aubrey and you're not giving Aubrey? I guess Moe mentions Aubrey by name, but is that the reason? Well, I think it was that day, well, really first going up to Q immediately, not being afraid of him, right? I find that Q, and I don't think he means to be this way

because Q is very friendly. He's a very loving people person, but on the island, he's intimidating. He's large and in charge. He's not afraid to go up to people. And maybe that's, and I can't speak for Mo, but maybe that's the difference between someone like me and someone like Mo is I found Mo wasn't really,

you know, asserting herself. And so I knew that I needed to assert myself with the people that I thought, you know, could carry me. Right. So, you know, I have it in Hunter on my own tribe. You now here trying to get to know Tim and Ben over there. Right. Like and I don't know if Mo did that, but also what was I going to say during during all the minglings? Because there's so many people.

I tried not to answer too many questions that would reveal like what kind of strategy I would have. So when they asked, oh, what's your favorite player? I love Philip. Oh my gosh, Ty is my favorite coach hilarious. And I just named all these giant characters not necessarily known for their strategy, which is those are some of my favorite players. Right. But none of that reveals anything about the way I'm

playing. And if you look at some of the secret scenes Q has when he talks about me, he's saying, I don't I can't read Liz. I don't really know what she's doing. And so I would purposely, you know, kind of stand out and then go under stand out, you know, Alla Gabler style, right? Type of thing. And I think Mo mentioning Aubrey, and then people started to say to Brandon's point, oh, you guys kind of look alike.

And so to me, it's like, well, if you're thinking this about Mo, and you think I kind of look alike. And so to me, it's like, well, if you're thinking this about Moe, I and you think I kind of look like her, she's got to go immediately because I don't want to be associated with that, even though I think I probably look more like Aubrey than Moe does. I don't think you two. Moe is rare. Like you don't look alike at all. Like you have glasses and curly hair, but so do I. You know what I mean? Like we're not all interchangeable, you know? But it's just such a funny thing that now he's playing with Aubrey.

And now we get to see them potentially, you'd have to imagine that they're on the same tribe. They can't not be on the same tribe. It's funny to put them on the same tribe. Yeah, it's so, it would be so funny. And even, it was so funny, Q said funny. And even it was so funny. Q said something to me. He's like, well, I don't know.

She thinks Aubrey's her favorite player, da da da. And I said, well, if you want my opinion, Aubrey never even won. So I don't know why that feels like a threat. And he started laughing and he was like, Liz, I like you. I like the way you think. I'm going to keep you around. And that signaled to me that, oh, Q thinks he's in charge. I'm gonna let him think he's in charge. And I was talking to Tevin earlier that day

and he's like, I don't know why we're doing Mo. You know, Q just wants to drive the bus. I said, let him drive the bus. You know, we can do a takeover later. And I just kept saying that until the Applebee's thing then I had had it. Q driving the bus is interesting because there are some players that we've talked about in other episodes of this podcast where they don't need to make the plan. They don't need

to be a part of the plan making. They get tagged in on the plan. They're happy to take the backseat. The plan happens. We move on another round. Q wants to make the plan. And like you see that with the Tevin vote in particular, where, you know, Q is doing something and then it doesn't go the way that he wants and then Q is threatening to quit the game. You know, whether that is with intention or not, you threatening to quit the game. But he wants to drive, which in a season of returning players, it doesn't feel like that's the approach. Was that your experience when you were there? Yeah.

So let's talk about that a little bit. And this was what was frustrating with me about Q because at that point we, you know, I know that I wasn't part of the secret six, but I also know Q had me in his plans somehow. I had weaseled my way in and Q found out that Hunter found out that I was voting Tevin, all of this, and we were in a circle and they even show it. We're in a circle. It's like me and the secret six somehow and Charlie's looking at me like, don't change your vote. And Hunter's like, please change your vote, change your vote. And so I'm just telling Hunter,

yeah, I'm gonna, I'll vote for Tiff. You know, forget it, forget it. Q takes that as Hunter is bullying Liz, bullying me. And he says they don't show it. But I was not surprised when Q tried to quit at Tribal because he said that in the circle. He's like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna stop playing. And we're like, what? And he's like, I

don't like that I caused this drama. And this is what endears me to cue a little bit, because he really was trying to protect me and cue has this very protective, very loyal streak and hit, you know, he's like one of 16 or 17 kids, you know, he's a man from Mississippi, the deep South. He's got a lot of sisters. And that's what he tells me. He says, Liz, I got a lot of sisters that, you know,

you remind me of, you and I came, you know, we're cut from the same cloth. I don't like the way Hunter is bullying you. And we didn't have enough time to talk, but during tribal, I said, Q, you read me wrong. I'm on survivor for a reason. Like I'm not going to get bullied. You just read me wrong.

And so when we go back from tribal, I'm actually not mad at Q. Everyone's mad at him. I feel endeared to him. I go up to him. I'm the first person to go up to him and I say, you know, Q, hey, thank you so much for being willing to sacrifice your game for me. But that's not how I wanna play. And that's not, you know,

I wasn't trying to manipulate you that way. He's like, I know, I know. He said, and he told me a little bit about his sisters. And you know, it's his role in life to protect women and this and that. I said, love it. Let's continue to work together. But he seemed like he wanted to be alone,

so I left him alone. Then Maria kind of comes in, scoops him up, which is her proper reading and my misreading. And so anybody out on Survivor 50 that can really see the way that I saw, he's got Burdette on his forearm, the way I saw this guy is a family man. You know, if somebody can connect with him on that level,

I think they'll be really good allies. That's how Maria and him really, really connected and stayed together on our season. People say about season 46 that it is, you know, obviously it's like the messy strategist or whatever. It's not clean strategy, but there is so many people who come into game and they strategize hard,

which is like sometimes it's not the right move, but that's, but you gotta take big swings. And that's exactly, you know, it's interesting that you're hearing you talk through like your miscalculation and Maria's correct calculation. Like that's what this should be every time as opposed to like you have two or three people strategizing really hard and then everybody else just kind of going along to the end. But tell me when this starts to go south with Q once we get around to reward time. And I'm sure like you've talked about this I'm sure ad nauseam,

but like if there's any like I want to hear this from the perspective of of Q and you like the relationship Yeah, sure. So I love this. I'm so glad to do this because I feel like let the record state You know, like I really did not have a problem with him at even after the Tevin blow-up I saw it as you know, this guy is just a really loyal person. And, you know, he's willing to sacrifice his game. But where it really started to go south was the next day, he just sat around. And to me, for someone who thinks,

like I see Q and I see a lot of myself. And so I was like, why is he sitting around? The unhealthy version of me might just sit around and pout because I didn't get my way and maybe I blew up my game. I mean, yeah, I blow up when I don't get to eat, right? This was Q went inward and I blew up Q went inward, but very similar responses of, you know,

we don't know what to do. So we're doing what we wouldn't normally do type of thing. And he just sat around all day, you know, everyone's complaining about him. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe he's really going through something. And I'm like, no, he sucks. He's that, you know, he didn't get his way

and now he's pouting like a baby. You know, let's vote him out, let's vote him out. Meanwhile, Tevin Hunter and I, they never showed it, but we were in an alliance. So I just blew up that whole alliance. Right? Hunter's mad at me and Hunter is a sweet angel. Like whoever ends up with him, you know, worship that boy. Like he's so sweet. And you all know, because we just heard from him just an hour ago with his podcast. Such a gem. And so he's like, golly, Liz, I can't believe you did that.

And I said, let me tell you something today. I know you're mad at me. Here are my reasons why, which I think he understood. He's like, yes, I did not want to go to the end with Tevin either. You know, but I will not betray you from here on out, Hunter. I will not vote your name. I will never write your name down. And again, the strategy behind that was,

well, I felt like I still needed Hunter, right? But if Hunter was the one to go, because everyone's mad at Q, they're talking Hunter, they're talking Q that day. And if Hunter is the one to go, because everyone's mad at Q. They're talking Hunter. They're talking Q that day. And if Hunter is the one to go, I can't have Tevin and Hunter mad at me for two weeks on the jury, because this is very early merge, right?

So they're going to be hanging out for 10 to 14 days talking shit about Liz. I can't have that, right? I'm like, I will never write your name down. That is why when we go to tribal and it's very clearly Hunter, but we do the split tribal, you know, I still vote for Q. That's the only reason I vote for Q that day. Number one, I told Hunter, hey, man,

I'm never going to write your name down. You and I both knew we couldn't make it to the end with Tevin. I just wasn't afraid. But you and me are still kosher. And then, of course, everyone was telling me because I told everyone, I'm not voting Hunter. So everyone's telling me Q Q write down Q Q. And so I'm like, all right, fine.

You know, it had it was nothing other than that. It was not a vendetta that it kind of looked like on the show, you know, and then when I blow up on Applebee's, you know, the next day or whatever, and he's like, you voted for me. You can see my face, because I stop, and I'm like, oh yeah, but it's only because like, I wasn't going to vote for him.

I only, you know, that's what people told me to do. And I knew I couldn't vote for Hunter. So still up until the Applebee's moment, I still saw an avenue where, you know, Q and I could be cool. Yeah, it's such an interesting scene. You know, one, you don't get that in the new era. It's the first, you know,

I think it's the first and last time that we'll get something like that. And then that does- What, the blow up? The blow up, oh yeah. That's not happening again. Oh, what do you mean? Yeah, yeah, that's the same.

Thank you. And again, it's like, you get referenced in season 48. I don't know how many new era people have been referenced in another new era season, but you get, you're, you know, you'll live on. 46, I think me and Q probably only one. Q, yeah. Yeah, I think me and Q probably only one, Q, yeah. Specifically, but that's what makes us so alike.

Just we're so different, but we're so alike. My favorite moment from season 46 is not even, you know, people have issue with Jeff's moments that he tries to make moments, but I love the opening monologue of season 46, where he says, like, I'm looking at 18 of you, some of you can't win, like no matter how much you try how far you get, you can't win what this is. Yeah, talk me through that through the lens of of Q

can queue when survivor? Absolutely. Yes. Q would have won our season. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care what the edit says. I would vote for Quintavious Burdette for the million dollars if he made it to the end. Here's why. Damn it. If he if he if he did it and I couldn't, you might as well just give him a little money. Fuck. Maybe he knows something I don't. And I feel like that's what a lot. So are and, you know, you can kind of see it. You know, we were I don't want to say like, oh, is a bitter jury.

But we we had we had salt in our wounds. Right. And a lot of us and I'll speak. I'm speaking on behalf and you all 46ers, if you're watching and you want to fight me, go ahead and fight me. We'll still fight. They might. You guys be fighting all the time. We are island of the egos.

Okay. 46 island of the egos. I can admit that I have a big ego. Q can admit he has a big ego. I think a lot of us can really admit that now. And I think it was because he just kept getting past people, right? And it was like, okay, well, if you morons

wanna let him get away with shit, we're gonna let him get away with it all. We're gonna give him the million. That was my perspective of the jury. And I will say this now because, you know, they already gave me my prize winnings. I, you know, I, I spent every time you're going to have to sue me for the money. So let me tell you all some secrets. I love this so much.

So, y'all, when Tiff got voted out, when we idled her out, lol, Tiff got voted out, when we idled her out, LOL, Tiff had her idle. She turns and she does this number. Give me something in my hand. And she gets down on her knees to look Q in the eye. She whispered, and I'm right behind Q. She whispers something and she hands him something.

We all see it, okay? We all saw it. He? We all saw it. He puts it in his pocket. We go, you know, now y'all, for y'all who have never been on Survivor, then you take your torch, you go, you put your torch down, you get into a tent, you gotta see medical if you wanna see medical, whatever,

you gotta wait for the boats to go back to the island. This producer, I won't name him, this producer starts running through, wait, wait, wait. And he's like, Hugh, give it to me. Hugh, and I love, God, I love this man because I would have done the same thing.

I don't know what, give me what? Like they ain't got a hundred cameras, okay? And he goes, don't play stupid. Give it to me. And Q, there's Tiff's idol in Q's hand, in Q's pocket. Producer takes it. He looks at all, and he's pointing. He said, this never gets mentioned

until Rob has a podcast. Liz talks Cuberdet on season 50. Oh my God. That is why, so y'all, if the story don't make sense, if the math don't math to you on season 46, why all of a sudden everyone starts gunning for Q? That is why you and I say it with love and I love Tiff and Tiff's my winter prick. Tiff put a huge target on Q's back. Q could have been a goat to the end and maybe he wants wins, but Tiff gave him that idol that produced also

that producer made a mistake. That producer should have done that privately in the med tent. Right? You know, and then we would have just like, did she put something in his pocket? You know, like we wouldn't have exactly known, you know, would have been hearsay. But that was confirmed, right? And so in my mind, and we would whisper every once in a while, and then we'd get yelled at, we'd be like, remember Tiff, you know, cause that would be like, Tiff is on the jury,

rooting for Q. And not to give him the same. Yeah, and as we saw, Tiff was now on the jury, rooting for Kenzie, who won. Yeah. So that is why I think Q could win and would have won our season. I still think he could make,

I don't know if he wins season 50 because of the recency of his shenanigans, but bring him back in five years when he's calmed down a little, he's had a few kids, he's a little more humble, he's got a great shot. Do you have any insight into the Q, and maybe that is the Q and Tiff dynamic,

but like the Q Charlie, Tiff Charlie, Q Tiff, like what is your thought on the whole bubble of your show going into this new adventure? Oh my gosh, I don't know. I'm so excited to see it pan out because obviously Q and Tiff played in the game a long time together. Charlie and Q played together for a long time,

but separately, right? Green merge a lot of Q and Tiff. Charlie didn't meet Q until the merge, but they played through Q's end there. I would like to think that we stick together, but honestly, I don't know. That's a pipe dream. I also want my mom and my sister to talk again,

but that's just in my head. I just love people. So I don't know. I would think that Tiff could be the glue. I would think that Charlie and Q, you know, they're like, whatever, I could take that, take him or leave him. But I would think Tiff is smart enough to say, yes, I can, I can work with Q over here.

I can work with Charlie. I can bring us all three together. So we have a number for a few votes if they all make it to the merge. My, excuse me, my perception is that like, and again, I don't know, I'm not particularly close with Tiff or Q and I know Charlie a little bit, but not as much to make this assumption.

Like, I feel like they wanna like best each other. Like that's the vibe that I get is they wanna be the last one of the three of them. And I think that's all three of them. I don't think, I think you will be a little bit more forthright in making that happen. But I think they all this is not your season of like your Kyle Camilla Joe where they all want to be there at the end. You know what I mean? I think this group, you know, that's not not to make that assumption that they all want

to be. But I think I think your group in particular, they come from a group that is a little bit more vitriolic and they maybe want to, you know, they want to be, but I think, I think your group in particular, they come from a group that is a little bit more vitriolic and they maybe want to, you know, they want to be the last. You're so right. Brandon's so right. Why didn't I think of that?

I would, you know, I'm always like, I really just want the best for all of us. I'm like, they should get together. But you're so right. I mean, if I was out there, I'd be like, oh, you guys are stupid. You like, if you think you're getting anywhere with me in the game, you're done. I know they're all you're so right.

They're all thinking that we were all 18 of us were thinking that, you know. So, yeah, I think you're right. But I think they would be smart. And I think they're all very smart people to at least team up for a vote or two, you know, if and when they all get together. Who would you have wanted to align with on season 50 if you were there? If you're in the tip spot and you have the older folks coming, you have the other new era people, who do you jump to?

Honestly, I would want to align with Q because it's so unsuspected. Is that a word? I'm on vacation, y'all. Honestly, I would want to align with Q because it's so unsuspected. Is that a word? Yeah. I'm on vacation, y'all. My brain is half turned off. This is my vacation, my summer vacation home. So I would want to align with Q.

I would probably want to work with, I mean, I would die to work with coach. Like, come on. Not just be so hysterical. But honestly, like from a strategy point of view, someone, Q or someone like him, Jenna, because first season, you know, people are gonna be like, oh, you know, she don't know what she's doing, but she probably does.

She probably studied harder than the rest of us, right? but she probably does. She probably studied harder than the rest of us, right? And then honestly, I would love to work with Christian. I think that would just be so fun. Yeah. I would be very afraid of Saree. I don't know. Yeah, those are who's coming to my mind.

Sure. Yeah, I mean, it's so funny because I've asked a couple of the folks that we've had on here the same question. Everybody's saying Christian, which makes you think everybody there is also saying Christian. You know, so he will not, I would imagine not be touching the end

as like letting Saree get that far would be also, would be crazy. Oh, isn't Mike White? I'm literally Googling who's on the season. You know, I have not been paying that much attention. Mike White. Oh, Mike White. I got it. I got to at least talk to him. Get your name in there. It could happen. You know? Yeah. You know, honestly, and I'm the worst. I have this also. I I would want have Jonathan Cole. now that I'm looking, okay, Jonathan Colby,

like all the big dudes, they're, oh, thank you. They are my boos because I don't know what it is. I'm only five feet tall. A lot of people, every time I'm in public, people are like, you're so much smaller than I thought you were. You are so much smaller than I thought you would be. I can attest to that.

You are very, you are much smaller than me. Yeah, I was the shortest person on my season. Of course, like Venus and Kenzie, they weighed less than me. But, you know, so I like my strategy going into 46 would probably be very similar to 50. How can I get the big dudes to like me? And I think for me, like I'm not, you know, a Kenzie or a Venus, like I'm not super hot

and intimidating to guys, but they love my sense of humor and my stature I think still makes them wanna protect me. Like this is such like the most misogynist strategy, but it totally worked for me. It worked for me so well. I would probably, I'd be like, oh, Jonathan, I'm so scared. I would say that to Q all the time. I'd be like, oh, I'm just really scared about this next vote.

And he would roll his eyes at me and be like, Liz, you ain't got nothing to worry about. Like nobody's even saying your name. I would all, every guy, I'm so worried. Oh my gosh, I'm so scared. And like their protector mode would go in. They'd be like, you're not even eating, just sit down. You're fine.

Like every, I would say even the women towards the end, like every person on the island was helping me sit down at some point or another, because I'd be like, oh, I'm just so weak. And it worked so well for me. That's why I was convinced I'm gonna make it at the end, because I'm like, remember that time you asked me to sit down, or you asked me to sit down and you even helped me sit down?

Like, that's how strong of a leader I am. I didn't need no help. I just wanted- It's a microcosmos society, that's what it is. You know what I mean? Anyway, it's so bad, it's so bad. And y'all can hate me in the comments if you want, but it worked.

And that's probably who I would align with. Colby, all the people that consider themselves protectors, like those people need to protect me. And they will. It's a great answer. It's a unique, like it's a good, you know, everybody says the same couple of things. So I like to hear, I like to hear some variation, you know.

Yeah, so, yeah. Fun, this is so fun. Oh my God, your winner pick, you said Tiff. Of course, she's my girl. I love her, I was so sad that people wanted her out and were scared of her because of her idol. Cause I was like, oh, I'm just getting to know her. I think we could get along really well in real life.

And you know, since the season has wrapped, we have gotten pretty close. So I think she is somebody who they're probably going to sleep on. Right. Oh, she only got eighth place. Like, that's that's a that's really good. You know, oh, my God. And she's I think she's a person that can learn from her mistakes. And I don't know how she's going to play.

I just know she's going to play and I hope she makes the right. I would just love for her to join Kenzie in the winner's circle. I just think that would be she. Oh, that would be. What a crazy timeline that two people from that tribe with Survivor, that we'd be at, you know, two of those things. It would also make me probably want to yeet myself because Rachel also won and she was our alternate.

Yeah. And I'm like, not me being in Fiji, staring at two winners and not one of them is me. Like, I might as well die. Sure. Fiji staring at two winners and not one of them is me, like I might as well die. Sure. Like, yeah. Thinking about the most fun tribe leads you to think about

the least fun tribe, which Nami's getting thrown out as one of the, as the tribe that maybe would be less fun to hang with. Really? See, that's who I would go with. I'm trying, like you're, I thought you were gonna ask me, like, who would you go with? I would go with my tribe. Yeah.

We were actually a good effing time when we could just calm down. I mean, Hunter and Tevin, are you kidding me? Soda is a gem. Soda, I didn't trust because she is actually so genuine. And in a game like Survivor, I was sketched out. I was like, there's no way I just put a hole in her sweater and she's not actually plotting against me.

I put a hole, I set her shirt on fire. And she was like, it's fine. Tevin lost her shoe. It's fine. I'm like, this lady's about to explode. I thought she would be the Applebee's queen, right? Like, and so, but she's actually a gem. Venus in a non paranoid situation.

Good time. Hype girl. Who else was on my track? Oh, Randon. Randon is my boy. I text him every day of my life. Oh, hell yeah. Brandon, Tim from our season

and I are in a group chat called Southern Discomfort because we all live in the South and we all run. So we run every morning or whatever and we share our running. But anyway, Rand, Randon alone, you could just go out to dinner with him and leave the rest of Nami

behind. You're going to have a good, good time. This is the defense that Nami needed because I don't, I don't think it's not me, but I think that, you know, it would be a fun thing to witness. Certainly. But we'd have fun. We'd have fun at the wedding. A lot of singing.

Sure. A lot of singing, a little bit of tension. I guess there's just a lot of, I mean, minus Hunter and maybe minus Randan, there's a lot of attention whores on Nami. I'll say it. If they won't say it, I'll say it. I would say minus Hunter.

Randan, I wouldn't call him an attention whore, but he can be the, he can very much hold a room. Sure. That's an interesting thing. What tribe other than yours would you want to hang with? Do you have one that sticks out from the last couple of seasons of like the collective, you have to be with everybody, the collective six people. No, I don't really watch Survivor like that where I would even remember.

Sure, sure. And keep your peace. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I might, I might hang out with, no, I can't even remember. Well, I'm so thrilled that we got the chat. Can you tell people where to follow you, what you have coming up? Yeah. So I don't really have much coming up because I'm on vacation. You know, I'm not actually rich with money, but I am rich in time. But, you know, if you are a podcaster and you wish that you could have a platform like Rob has a podcast, you can go directly to LizWilcox.com. That's what I teach people. You can hit the hot pink button in the top right hand corner.

That's going to get you started on your own content creation journey. You are a great podcast guest. I know that's because you've done it so many times and you're naturally so good. You got to come do this more. This is, this has been so much fun for me. I would love, I would love that. I would love actually to have a segment one day where it's like an I'm pissed show and I just rant and rave about all the things

I hated about the episode. Or maybe I just come in once a year and it's like, okay, season wrap up, I'm pissed. And all, you know, just lay my grievances. It's giving, you know, Seinfeld, like air out your grievances. The airing of the grievances. Yeah's giving, you know, Seinfeld, like air out your grievances. Sure, the airing of the grievances. Yeah.

We'll make it happen. All right. Stay tuned for another episode next time of the Survivor 50 Files, talk in Genevieve and season 47. And I'll tell you, you, Liz, talked about Q. Everybody talked about Genevieve. We had nine people on the call. So stay tuned for tomorrow. We got, we got the Geneva convention talking about Genevieve. So stay tuned and we'll see you soon. Thank you to our friends at Mantis sleep for sponsoring this episode

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