RHAP: We Know Survivor - Hunter & Tevin Talk Survivor 50 Ep 2

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

Hunter & Tevin Talk Survivor 50 Ep 2 Survivor 50 is back with Rob Cesternino, joined by Survivor 46’s Tevin Davis and Hunter McKnight, for a deep-dive recap into the chaos and excitement of the first two episodes. The Andy Griffith Alliance takes center stage, exploring everything from tribe swaps to idol plays, with the returnee cast dynamics sparking lively debate. As seasoned players watch their friends, like Tiffany, Q, and Charlie, navigate the game, the group reflects on how prior relationships, egos, and evolving strategies shape the action on Survivor’s milestone season. The panel breaks down the early intrigue of Survivor 50, where familiar faces mean alliances and rivalries ignite faster than ever. There’s a spirited discussion about the Ozzy-Coach beef, the impact of tribe swaps versus sticking with one tribe, and what it means when you see your friends adapting or reverting to old habits. Tevin shares how knowing the returning players adds extra layers to the viewing experience, while Hunter highlights how Q’s gameplay is subdued for now but could spark tension as lazy campmates test his patience. Rob brings in questions about the Billie Eilish boomerang idol twist, and everyone weighs in on the risks of going on a journey, crafting the ultimate cover story, and the ever-present paranoia of idol hiding at Tribal Council. The Ozzy vs. Coach rivalry and how it’s fueling the tribe dynamics Q’s focus on hardworking camp life and frustration with lazy tribemates The impact of swaps vs. no swaps on alliance formation and long-term tension The Billie Eilish boomerang idol and does it reward pre-gaming, and can anyone predict who will go home with an idol? Savannah’s tricky path as a recent winner, and whether honesty helps or hurts her return run Hide-and-seek challenges, Exile picks, and who would dominate in a stealthy showdown (Ozzy, Camilla, Rick Devins, Christian) As Survivor 50 heads into its tribe swap, Rob and his guests ask: will old wounds and relationships define new game moves, or can players shake off their pasts and build new alliances? How will the Billie Eilish idol twist affect the strategy moving forward? Tune in to hear the full analysis of Survivor 50’s evolving gameplay, idol twists, and shifting alliances. And find out which returning players the Andy Griffith Alliance is rooting for! 0:00 Andy Griffith Alliance Reunites 6:01 Survivor 50 Returning Cast Dynamics 12:13 Q’s Camp Life Tensions Rise 18:08 Rick Versus Joe: Clash Erupts 27:51 Charlie Navigating Tribal Dynamics 31:31 Q, Tiffany, Charlie: Swap Predictions 34:01 Cirie’s Masterful Social Play 41:02 Hide and Seek Tribal Rewind 45:40 Billie Eilish Idol Twist Analyzed 51:20 Savannah’s Winner Status Backfires 56:20 Survivor Journey Decisions Debated 1:05:32 Coach: Reliable Narrator or Not? 1:16:28 Exile Island Bag Search Drama 1:23:07 Survivor 50’s Future Seasons Forecast To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees can grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields. Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob Sestrinino back and we've got a fun one for you here today because it's a two-on-one here. A great situation. Even though Tevin says, I don't like to watch the amazing race. what a team we have here for you today. To join us from Survivor 46,

the great Andy Griffith Alliance is here. Kevin Davis and Hunter McKnight. Yes. We're here. Who's going to whistle? The ring's bag. I ain't got a bell. Hey, whistle for him, Tevin.

Whistle for him, Kevin? You said, what? We should have an intro. We should have me and Hunter filmed that. We only went out there by that little Rebel Hunter. We filmed the little Andy Griffith thing. You should have put that in the opening. It's okay.

Next time, Rob. Next time. Okay, next time. And yeah, very excited. to talk here about everything that's going on here in Survivor 50, but how are you guys doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing really well. Hold on. You're not going to interestingly blessed. Well, that was included in the well. I'm doing well. There's a lot of good things that go well. School's going well. The spring semester is flying by as usual, but things are going really well.

And season 50's happening. And it's been a lot of fun. And that's going well too. Yeah. And Tavin, how about you? Yeah, I'm blessed. I'm alive. But I can do it. I'm as good. as I can be, you know, and I think the world is a little chaotic. It's a lot of chaotic, but I am blessed and I carry joy forward with me. And so I'm as blessed as I'm choosing to be. Well, you were telling us right before we went on that you're about to go on tour. You got a big show coming up. Yep, I have some stuff that's coming up. I got to go up to New York and we're putting some final touches on things. So the people are going to know about it as soon as I, as soon as I, you know, release it all that. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Okay. But understand that,

Yes, things are coming. Okay. All right. Well, let's get into talking about season 50. I really, I've loved it so much so far. I thought these two episodes have been so fun. I'll start with you. What's been your reaction overall?

Yeah, and I was going to be your reaction. Well, the thing that's been great about it was different. And I think it's been so long since we've had a returning season. We don't have to spend time getting to know the characters because we already know them. So I feel like the first couple of episodes, of like a newbie season. You spend so much time figuring out who these people are, maybe hearing a backstory.

So it feels kind of slow. But this one, like you jump right in. And it has been really interesting to see all these different dynamics begin to play out. And what's funny is even the dynamics that have existed beforehand, like how were they able to get the Ozzy and coach beef started so early? And they're on different tribes. Like that's what's incredible. Is these people like they've done a great job of like,

allowing interactions to happen genuinely that have led to be. And without them even being on the same tribe, it's a testament to, like, some of the game formatting has worked out well in their favor. Because what were the odds that they were like, coach, you go, Ozzy, you go. And then all of a sudden, now we've got this whole storyline that has permeated through two episodes. I don't think you definitely would not have that without a returning season. And if you were spending so much time getting backstories, it's fun.

I'm excited. Like, it is starting really well. Hunter, what number season is South Pacific? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Oh, no. No.

Why are you? Okay. I know, okay. Is it 23? Is it 23? Yes. Halfway to 46. That was what they should call it.

Okay. Here we go. Yeah. He should have done that a few years ago, but that's okay, huh? Honestly, if they would have had me number them, I probably, I mean, I couldn't have done better. But I, I, I knew the 20's okay, but the ones before that. Anyways, no.

Man, that's a less little flashback. The 30s and the single digits for tough. 40s not tricky. No. No, I would ship it on there. I forget about 41, but yes. Tavin, all right. What about for you?

What's been your reaction to two weeks of service? It's been good. I think I've been really focused on so many things. So 49, I didn't even really get to watch 49 that deeply. And so I'm kind of swinging back into 50 now. just because I've been kind of all over the place. But what's nice is that this is the first time that I am watching, and I have, like, people that I genuinely know.

Like, you get Tip, you got Q. These are my friends. So the first time that we get to watch people. Charlie, too, yeah, I mean, there's so many people out there. But Tiff and Q, I ride with them, okay? Yeah. And so it is wonderful to watch your friends play the game. And then knowing them.

And then because I know them so well, I can see when they dip in and out of themselves and when they are amending themselves to make game decisions. And so I think that's fascinating. Well, it was really, it's a blessing and a curse, I guess, to be on a season like yours, because that really you could have made the case. You have three people in Survivor 50, and you could have made the case for maybe five more people from season 46 that come back. As I was watching it, I was like, I really think like there's some more characters from our season.

They could, you know, be out there. But then how do you justify, even though they are so singular and unique, how do you justify I put that many people from one season on there. It is the biggest target. I don't think it would structurally work in the game. It's just too big of a threat. But I've talked about your season that it's my favorite from the new era. I just think that on and off the screen, there was just so much drama all the way into the end to talk about Charlie and Kenzie and Maria's vote.

Like there just was so much to talk about in season 46. It was a mess. Talk about on screen and off screen. You know, we were chaotic down to the core, but I think that many people could be on that beach. And so it's fascinating to see who they chose, though, and to watch how those people interact and why trying to understand how they're thinking about it and then watching the dynamics play out. It's fascinating to watch. And I think that being said, I think they did pick a good three. As much as there are so many that could be on there.

I think the three they got is a good, a good representative group of season 40s. And it may be lacking a little bit in the chaos, but you got Q to pick up on a lot of that. Well, Q has not been that chaotic. He has not. He has not. And that's something people don't realize is Q is a character. I think a lot of the time by choice, because I've been around Q when he's, and I don't want to say normal, right? Normal isn't the right word.

But when he's like relaxed. And he can just be like hanging out, like sit on the couch, not going crazy. But he can also very easily switch into it. And he's done a good job. of just being the normal cue that fits with the group, like what the group dynamic is. And you can see with this episode where he's identified what this group appreciates and is very easily falling into that.

Yeah. Kevin, so far we saw a cue really not really talk too much about anything out of the ordinary that he wants to do. He's been very focused on the camp life, it seems like. And he was very down on, we saw in this. episode, Rizzo and Angelina as not being hard. You don't like nobody being lazy. Q don't like nobody being lazy.

I already know it's going to be a problem. As soon as I seen Rizzo, they're sucking his finger trying to suck the blood out of whatever hell he was doing. I said Q's not going to like this. Cut shot to Q. That boy lazy. I said, I knew it. I knew it was coming because he is a worker.

He don't like being bored either. So I already knew he was going to have to keep his hands busy because on 46, he was like, I mean, man, we got a down day. And he's like, I mean, let's play hide and see. But, you know, then he had his old little whatever with that. But I already knew that won't go well. He don't like people being lazy. He was like, get up, get to work.

I mean, you think I was sitting around here. I mean, me and Hunter at our camp, you know, we built. And that's kind of why, you know, Hunter and Liz and I kind of became a three because Hunter and I were working on the shelter so fervently. And then, you know, Liz kind of. Liz was in the shelter. And so when you are doing that kind of work and you see people not doing work, Okay.

Okay. So I wonder if that's going to lead, though, to, you know, Q becoming, he might be able to hold it. I hope he could be able to hold it. But I wonder if he's going to start to, you know, inch up a little bit more if they continue to be lazy in that way because he's not going to sit there. But that's the hard part about what's about to happen next episode is a swap.

Like, they've built up this kind of tension between people not working and working. And it kind of feels like we're about to lose it all. That's the sad part of the swap. Yes, we get introduced. new interactions and who knows if we get coaching Ozzy on the same tribe, we get to see that interaction. But the thing that has been building is just kind of, it kind of ends. And that's, that

is sad in my opinion. That we don't get to see that play out a little bit more. Yeah. Well, you all played on a season that had no swap. And so those relationships really did in the case of Nami, like really festered over the whole time that you were together where, uh, that maybe

if there was this, uh, tribe swap that maybe it would have been a different story. But the more time, together really does create these very long-term storylines in the show. Yeah, I think we could have benefited from a swap. I also think we could have benefited from going. I said every time I talk about this, we could have benefited from going to tribal council. We might should have just thrown one just to have it because going all the way through

and not having the ability to have some of those cracks kind of flushed out before everybody else gets here was detrimental. So I think that you must go to a tribal council before the merge. and I also think that a swap definitely would have 46 to shake things up because those relationships were not cemented and it got worse once

everybody got on the same beach. But that's like from a player perspective but we take it from a viewer perspective forcing these people to live together for so long is just creating like eventually it's going to explode and that's what happens with Nami when we get to the merge. It's great TV because like why are people

turning on one another? Why don't they like each other? Why are this weird? tension between soda and Venus or like, why are we all voting each start? Why is Liz go vote for Tevin? It's because you forced them to be together and that pressure can't be released. And so it comes to a breaking point. Well, then the explosion just happens. And so I think, I think as a player, I would have loved to have a swap or even have gone to tribal because you could have let some of that pressure out. Like let a little bit. So it's a little bit calmer. But as a viewer

and as a producer, it actually is favorable to allow this explosion to happen when the chance comes. because I felt like as a group, I remember getting the, the merge and being like, why do I feel like everyone's going, like, Naomi's going after each other? It's like we haven't played.

And all these people feel like they're so behind in the game. They haven't been able to make their moves. They haven't been able to prove themselves. They're just chomping at the bit. And the only targets they've had to look at this whole time were their own people. And so we get there,

because everyone wants to make a move. And it's great for a viewer. I mean, that's one of the reason I think there was so much, you know, extra drama and excitement on 46 is because you had this group of people that were pretty, volatile that were stuck together for so long with no option.

I think also when we're learning to meet these people in a new player season for the first time, that swapping them is really confusing for the audience. There's 18 people. Who are these people? What are they doing? Who's on what tribe? Where I think that when we already know who everybody is, I think you can swap a little bit faster and everybody will be able to follow what's going on.

And it won't be so confusing for the viewers when we have a swap next week. I feel like for 50, you would have to swap. I mean, I feel like the audience wants to see everybody interact. Like, you don't want to keep everybody stringently attached to one tribe. You want to see Sarri go over there and talk to, talk to Coach or Stephanie and Surrey or Tiff to get over there. Like, you want to watch all of your faves and some people who may not be your faves yet interact and see if they will become your faves.

So I think it's fascinating just to watch people that we've seen at the Hunter's point, you know, that we know, canoodle with other people. Well, we're not to noodle, but you know. Yeah. No canoodling, please. You know what? Yeah. I'd love to hear from each of you. Like, what's been the most interesting thing that you've been seeing so far?

Hunter, what about for you through these two episodes? What's been living rent-free in your head? Well, I have. A Christian is just, you forget how charming and fun that guy is. Do you see yourself in him, Mama? Do you see yourself in Christian? That would be so vain for me to say that. I don't feel like I could ever compare myself to Christian.

He is such a cool character. Like I love that his shirt has a robots on it that are one, two, three of binary. Like this is, this is who he is. So often, I was talking to a student yesterday who said so often people are like trying to put on a nerdiness or try to put on a certain characterization. This guy is just gen. That's who he is. Yeah.

And it is so fun to see. I mean, the guy obviously messed his pants. But he's still delightful in it. Like how do you, how do you? even have a confessional after that. That is so, so fun and interesting. And so he has been fun and him, Rick Devon's interaction has been fun. I mean, there's just all the different characters that are just fun to watch interacting has been, has been what's making it just easier and easier to watch this one. Kevin, let me ask you this. Okay, tell me if you think this is a good

call or not. Okay, I want to tell you that who Hunter is the combination of, okay? Okay. And this is a really wild combination. I think that's what makes Hunter a really great player is that Hunter is if Christian and Jonathan had a baby. What do you think? Yeah. You got to add somebody very, very, very devout Christian in there. So he got to put a little of the Lord in there.

I think you'll have Honnold. But yeah, I can get down with that. He's a challenge beast. He's smart as hell. Hunter can get down and be cool or whatever. but when the brain gets going and he gets real nervous, like halfway between Christian and Jonathan is Hunter. I don't know how that perception comes out.

Like, I feel like that is such an insult to Christian, but considering how my journey ended, like Christian. He doesn't understand. Hannah never understand. Me and Hon. I've hung up so many times and I've just watched him. I've just kind of sat back and just watched him do his thing, or him talk to his students or him building a challenge.

He's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, the factoring theorem will tell me that if I just cut this right, he all get to do it. except this. I mean, you see that puzzle behind him? Do you see that puzzle in his background right now? He built that because he just knows how to do it. I could not do that.

I could make a draw it, but I can't build it. He goes in the little shop he has and he just goes and he comes out and he's like, oh, I built a survival puzzle. The hell? And then you go out to his home and then you see damn skyscraping puzzles. And he's like, oh, you know, that's why you're Christianie big. You may not be out there like being like out, but like, huh. But like, Hanna is so brilliant.

And I think his humbleness through that is what makes him such a great person. And also just, yeah, he's, you are, you are him. Well, that is very kind of you to say. I'm sure everyone listening is like, why are we saying? That's the last night you hear me saying it. Just so you know. I wrote it now. I recorded it.

He gives Big Bang theory to me. I want him to be on the Big Bang theory. Now, I didn't know the Big Bang theory. happen in his pants? I didn't know that that was going to be the big bang. That's right. Ever, when I see him, he gives big bang to me. I mean, he's, he's just so, just authentically lovingly nerdy. And it is, it is beautiful to watch. He is probably one of my favorite characters on the whole thing, because it's just so genuine. It's not forced. It's just him. Okay. Kevin, what about for you? What's been something that has really been capturing your

attention here? I know you have notes. I do have notes But what's not on my notes That I feel is like What I love is Kind of the Which I thought people Will be like

Oh God, everybody's crying But I really love the Vulnerability of these people Like I kind of love them Kind of reminiscing on things And watching people Who Society

I think I was trying to say society But society would maybe tell you Oh, they probably wouldn't cry But like watching Q get emotional because Kyle has to be, you know, evacuated, watching Surrey cry because she's thinking about her time on, on the island and watching Ozzy shed a tear. Like, watching people be vulnerable is so nice because for me and with all the news and the politics, which people know that I'm deep into, it's a lot of vitriol and stuff going on. And so when I watch people

have empathy and I watch people feel, it's really nice for me to experience that in such a dark world right now, just to watch people feel, has been one of the most rewarding things for me watching so far. Yeah, I think that Survivor exists in a space where that whatever differences are going on in the world, like it does exist. I think it's the reason why it resonates with so many people where that it sort of does occupy a space where it can bring more people together. And I'm sure there's, you know, many different things that people have their differences

I saw about in and out of the world of Survivor, but it's supposed to be a thing for 90 minutes that really brings all of these people who love and are passionate about Survivor together. And I think that Survivor 50 has been a great thing at this particular moment. Yeah, yeah. So that has been, you know, great to watch on like a,

you know, the feel good level. And then I just like the mess, you know. I like some of the mess. I'm like, you know, I'm sitting back. like, my God, today, not Christian Uvicki, got to rock Joe to sleep because he's talking to damn funny. Oh, dude, that's so funny. Like, it's

stuff like that that is just, you know, the game is both and. It's not this whole, it's both and, and I think that's fascinating to watch these specific characters play. The thing that had been the most interesting to me this week was Rick and Joe and just their difference of opinion. And I made

a whole video about this where I really wanted to take a look at the way that these two men both approach the game so differently and what the issues are between them and why they can't get on the same page. And it's been so fun to look at this real difference of style of two people that we understand pretty well from Survivor. I don't know what Joe's plan is. I'm having a hard time discerning what the plan is because, you know, you approaching people

and calling them out as abrasively as he does it. I will go whisper to a damn snake. I know Rick Devin's whispering to, you know, Savannah right there was a little bit messy for me. He's right there. However, you know, if I want to go whisper to a rock, I'll do so. Who are you, Joe, to tell me who I can and can't whisper to? If you, you have acknowledged that Rick Devin's whispering in front of you is a problem. So in turn, I don't understand why you would then go and do something as publicly as he's not

yelling or scolding, but his demeanor and the way he does things gives, oh, I need to, I need to clock you on this mistake. But it simply is, you know, I think that, you know, a stronger choice would have been that he not scold them into telling him the information that he wanted to know and rather try to get it another way instead of trying to be so. It's like Boston Rob. It's like he's trying to control the outcome of who, of your game, but it's Survivor. And so people are going to talk. But how you choose to respond to Rick Devons, what's the in front of you is the more important part. Yeah.

I've been a little bit of a, I guess I'm a bit of a Joe defender here where that, and again, Savannah, I talked to her and she said things were actually worse than what we saw in the episode. But from what we saw in the show that he saw what was going on, he's like, hey, what was that about? And Rick was like, oh, it was nothing. And it was like an obvious lie. And Joe is on the bottom.

He's like, oh, boy, you know, nothing. that was nothing. And then eventually Savannah tells him like, hey, no, Ozzy wanted to start an alliance with us. He's like, but why wouldn't he tell me that? I don't get it. And I felt like that Joe was really trying to understand why people were not telling him what was going on.

I think more so than he was saying like, hey, like, and we did see him play this way in Survivor 48 of like, hey, that we're playing this game with honor and loyalty and integrity. But I just didn't see him say that in this season yet. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think everybody needs to take, first of all, improv class before you go play Survivor.

You need to take at least one improv class. So when I'm going to ask you a question, you'd be like, oh, yeah, yes, and I did this. And I just think, you know, yeah. Now, don't be telling the next star of Tyler Perry's show how to act, Kevin. Listen, he got it. He got it. He's good enough to act with Tyler Perry. He got it, yes. Because, you know what?

Honor, you know what? No, I do think I can see a little bit of the franticness in Joe after having seen what happened to him last season where he was kind of almost made the butt of the joke and that he was taking advantage of. And this time he's recognizing it more. He's way more sensitive to it. He sees these two people whispering in front of him. He's like, I got to get to the bottom of this because I can't let it happen again. It's where people.

And the bad thing is he's not wrong. Like he knows these people. Like he has figured out these people don't actually want to. work with me. Like he can see that Rick doesn't want to work with me. And so him, his read of it isn't entirely wrong. His approach wasn't great. And he was already in a bad spot to begin with. That it was kind of like grew from there. But you do, you have to at least be like, okay, this guy's reading a little bit of it correctly. Rick didn't handle it super well. But the way Joe went about it was not the right way for the group of people he was playing with. It shows a fundamental

difference between how Rick approaches a game and how Joe approaches the game as well, how they view it. Joe views it as an opportunity to prove that he can do things a correct way or ways they're on it's like when I introduce Survivor to people, they're always like, this is such a deceptive game. How could anyone lie? How would anyone, like, I would not feel good about that. But then when you realize like Rick has gotten to the point, it is inside of a game where

you're allowed to do certain things. I use that exact same analogy of football with when describing the game of Survivor. Like, I don't teach high school guys to go tackle people when they're walking down. the street. Like, it's not a normal thing that you should do. This isn't a life skill that I'm teaching you to go to tackle people to take advantage of them outside of the game of football. But in the game of football, I need you to be able to do that. As a teammate, I need to know that you can do that. And so Rick explained it really well whenever he said, you're on our team and I need you to be able to do this, but his morals

are holding them back from that. And so it's two guys approaching very differently that would have a hard time working together. Yeah. So Hunter, I love that you brought the football analogy that Rick Devons brought up where he said like if you're a pacifist like and you don't hit people well you're on my team how are we supposed to work together but I felt like that Joe is asking the he's in the huddle and he's asking the quarterback like hey what player are we running and the quarterback is like I don't don't worry that is you know and Joe is like but but why won't you tell me what we're doing like why won't you tell me this and so that I think that in Rick's mind he's He's using that team analogy, but Joe's like, I'm not feeling like I'm part of the team.

You won't tell me what's going on. Yeah, that is a really good point. And I think if he would have done it the way that you just did it, I think I would have been more receptive to what he had to say because now I feel like he's lost in the weeds. And I think that that is inside of him. But what is expounded upon in his demeanor and his body posture is, oh, so, so y'all think y'all can just play the game? Oh, oh, oh, so you just not for tell me, even though I know that you know,

that I know what's going on, but you're not to tell me what's going on, is giving I'm being scolded by the teacher. Again, and I don't want to feel that way because I am a grown person playing the game. And just because you have honor and integrity does not mean that I'm going to have that with you. So I think that his approach to it could have been tweaked, and it probably would have worked out better. But now there's a little stain, and I don't know how he will get that out. Yeah.

Because that's grease. And grease don't go nowhere. How do you get grease out of a garment? know how to tell people. There's a particular detergent you'd want to use like this. There are ones that are more favorable for it, but that's not for today. Thank you. Thank you.

Tell me a little bit about we haven't seen so much from Tiffany and Charlie on their tribe. And it's been, it's been a little quiet, but quiet is good because it means that they're not in trouble. And who knows where they could end up after the swap? I guess let's start with Charlie and how's he been doing so far? He seems like he's getting along with the group really well. Again, you don't get to see him because they're in that place of winning, but you see at least in the small clips you get him interacting with everybody. He even mentions interacting with Chrissy and realizing that maybe I shouldn't be around Chrissy

whenever there's so much, she's being annoying and she's the one that's kind of aggravating everybody. And so you can see the typical Charlie play where he's going to like get to know everybody. That's what he did on our season. and he was happy to talk with everybody. He was going to get his finger on the pulse to figure out who's in a good spot, who's not. And if they're not in a good spot, like it seems like Chrissy is getting to that point, he's going to distance himself from. But to kind of go back to what we said earlier,

you see a little bit of that pressure building on this tribe with Chrissy's interaction. I mean, for them to have mentioned the Chrissy dilemma must have been bigger than we even saw because it was such a small thing that we saw, but they must have all been talking about how Chrissy is. is driving us crazy because you're talking about on a on an episode where they don't even go to tribal. This was something that was brought up. And the fact that they're about to swap, it just felt kind of like a weird thing for them to bring up knowing that the swap's going to happen,

unless it was a pretty big deal for how annoyed the tribe was with her. But this is also a pretty new era tribe. And so you can see how maybe Chrissy's mannerisms weren't as enjoyed by the group. Well, I definitely won't put nobody toe ring on my. my damn foot. I don't do feet that way. And when he stuck his right foot up in the air to let coach put that is nasty as hell. So, you know, but, you know, that's what he got to do to get a little further. But what I also think is fascinating is the people who choose to come into the game who, and you know, Jeff said, you know, we bought you all back, you know, all these

different types of gameplay and watching who is kind of sticking to what they do and who is deciding, oh, I'm a different version. Oh, I'm coach 4.0. I'm Ozzy 2.0. Like, choosing to go a different pad. Q is a little bit dialed down. And I wonder what Charlie's going to do. We haven't seen it yet. But if he goes under the radar, we know that's your game. We've seen that happen. We've seen you play that spot and then you get to the end. And now we're like, oh, my God, Charlie, yes, we got to, I don't know if he does that again, if he can slip by the way that he did, because he is the threat in that way. But is he going to make that change? I have no idea right now. It doesn't seem so. So I don't know how that's going to work out. Yeah, I've been

impressed with Charlie so far because I think that he was somebody that a lot of people had their on in the beginning of the game and in the preseason from what they were saying. But he's been able to seemingly ride that out. And it seems like he's in this tribe that in particular, he seems like he's in a really good spot. And I don't know where he would have to end up to not be in a good spot. Yeah. And that's where like the swap is just so random.

Like who knows what's going to happen? He has done a good job apparently making connections. You see it with Mike White. You see him hanging out with like different ones at different times. And so you're like, okay, he's obviously, at least have some relationship with these people, but it's about to all break. And so you kind of wonder, was it all for not? You know, we didn't even get to see this growth in interaction. So who knows?

And tip looks good, you know, I think, I'm rooting for Tiff. That's my girl. And so I am interested to see how her game unfolds. And I am loving her interactions. I mean, she's a physical beast, as we're seeing. She's strategic, as we know. And, you know, she's linked up with D. And so I think that there are, I want to see more of tears.

That's what I want. But not too much because, look, if you get zero confessionals for an episode, that means you're not going home, right? That means you are not the one that went home that episode. So what's going to make that? We do it. Okay. We haven't seen either of them yet interact with you in this season.

I know the swap is coming up. And I know the tribes are out there, but I don't like to look at it. I like to be surprised on a Wednesday night. But if either of them ends up with Q, how do you think that that's going to go? If Charlie is what Q is going to be all right. How Q will do is that. If Tiff is what Q?

Wait, wait, I feel like the opposite. Okay. I feel like Charlie and Q, I think Charlie would probably try to diso himself from Q just because I think Tiffany and Q would have a closer interaction. action and work together, but I don't know. Maybe I misread that, but I think Tiffany would be fine with work with Q. I think Charlie would be a little more wary. There's something about, it's like right now, Charlie and Tiffany, of course, they've won,

are able to kind of be under the radar because it's like no one's really thinking about 46, but it's like when you get paired with Q, a lot of attention just because it's brought to the idea that they were both on 46. and who knows you introduce someone else in 46 that Q was comfortable with and familiar with how he then starts to play because once that man begins to feel like he has some controller power it

what I guess Kevin says is up and stuck like he may he may he may go if he begins to feel comfortable you better be careful because that man will do some stuff who knows I can't even tell you it's unpredictable but I think which I think with Charlie

I think there is a little more tension there I think Charlie would be a little more wary of Q. I think, I thought Tiffany might maybe settle down. I'm like, okay, we know our differences. We can handle it. But who knows? I mean, I think Tip is a great player. And so I think that he would make that adjustment.

But I'm also thinking of it in the respect of everybody's coming to this game with baggage from somewhere. They all have talked about, you know, the histories and the things that they have. That's what this coaching and, you know, thing is. And so we know from 46 the last time that Tiff and Q were together, it was volatile and that there may be some pending doom kind of inside from the choices that were made in the game. And how did that play out? And I don't, Q, Q and Charlie didn't, I mean, there was some, you know,

confusion like tribal council wise, but I think that Tiff and Q have much more history, gameplay wise. And so how do you trust someone you couldn't trust last time you played? I get over that hurdle. I guess for me, when I look at it, in the Q and Tiffany and Tiffany is the one that was burned. And I think Tiffany can be more forgiving and be like, okay, we're going to get past this. But in the Charlie and Q, Q was the one that was burned. And I don't know that Q burned is necessarily like a favorable thing.

So yeah, that's where I'm like, Tiffany can be like, okay, look, we'll put us out our differences. Q, I don't know. We'll see. Not that he's been doing a great job, but I think that's the difference. Yeah, I think I come down more on the hunter side of things where I feel like that Q and Tiffany, it's like a brother-sister relationship. They have so much shared experience. It's like, oh, this guy gets on my nerves, but it's, you know, but that's family. And I feel like that Q and Charlie, Q might be the person who is more likely to remind people like, hey, don't forget about Charlie.

And I think that Charlie isn't a good job of making people feel comfortable with him. I think the Q I could see reminding people like, but Charlie is sneaky, but I got to remember, don't forget about him. And I think he could shine a light on Charlie in a way Charlie doesn't necessarily want. Yeah, I think he would throw Charlie under the bus before he would throw Tiffany under the bus again. I don't think he would do it twice. I don't think, but I guess we'll find out. Kevin, I remember from your preseason interviews for Survivor,

you talked about how Saree Fields was communicating. with you in ways that were nonverbal. Listen, first of all, black people can have a whole conversation. Hunter is praying now. So me and Hunter can have a black conversation now. I've given him this because he understands. I can look at him and he'd be like, God. I'm like, right, because he's been around me so much.

But, you know, I love Surrey. And I think that Surrey is giving a masterclass, as always, in how to play this game socially. I love her story about getting up off the couch and, like, going to play this game. She feels like an auntie to me. You know, I feel like me and her can have a, we can have a whole conversation. We never, you know, we haven't seen each other. But I understand what she's saying.

And so when he sat down, for instance, and tried to talk to and be like, yeah, so let's talk about this. So we got Ozzie, we got this, we got this one, too, I already knew what she was doing. I could see behind her eyes. Like, I already knew what her inner monologue was because I could understand her in a way that I may not understand, you know what I'm saying? but I understand Saria in her gameplay. And what's so fascinating is that, especially on a season 50, where everybody wanted to go back,

everybody wants to be there. So you know what's going to be there is ego. And so how do you play a game with people who have this ego and use that to your advantage? Well, what you do, which is so masterful, is that you make them feel like they're the ones that have the power

when you told them exactly what to do without them knowing. And so her sitting down and saying, yeah, well, Ozzy's this, but, yeah, Savannah, what do you think about? And I don't need you to, you know, I don't need the credit for it right now, but just know that when you choose this, I told you to do so. I think her after that might have been a little bit of a misstep because she was so good being like, hey, what do you all think? But she had given them everything they needed to make the decision.

And then it was about to go back. But then it played out beautifully as it should. But I love her. I think she's a masterclass on how to be a social. I can't think of the word I want to say, but being a social beast. Yeah, and she, she is great at working with what you're given. She is very aware of her position, and it's incredible. She knows she's not driving votes, but she might can bump the boat and make it go a little different direction.

Her first episode, she knew she was in a bad spot, and so she knew how to let off the gas and say, look, here's, I need you to do this for me. I need Ozzy to go for me. It's, it's pretty incredible, just her awareness and then not just awareness, knowing what to do, those moments. And that couch was mentioned so many times in the first episode. I thought I was going to get a confessional. I thought I was going to... Can I just do a quick not be the couch? I would like to see the couch. That should be a reward. Surrey's couch. One day on Seri's couch. Surrey should get like an endorsement from IKEA or something.

Girl, please, I would like to buy a Surreyfield's couch. Help me get off. Yeah. Hi, I'm Surrey Field. I got up off the couch. But when I get back on the couch, this is what I want. Yeah. This is what I need. I don't always... Now, I want this. Discount furniture. I don't always sit on a couch, but when I do, it's like this one.

It's hilarious. I got on the couch, but you don't have to. Buy a couch. I mean, I kid, yes, we would like 10%. Soree, if you do this, that is 30%. One, two, three, for us. Thanks. Perfect.

Yeah. If your people are listening, tell us about it. The Encore episodes, which came on right before Survivor 50, included hide and seek where Kevin, your boot episode was air, re-aired to a national audience. Was that, were you happy or

was this reopening a trauma for you? Oh, trust and believe. I don't have trauma with it at all. I went home and ate very well that night. I ate very, very well. I don't have problem with it because the whole thing about it for me is that I went out there to,

have an experience for myself. And so what I'm seeing on season 50, you know, people say, I think Rizzo said it too. Like, I, you know,

I want to submit my legacy. And I want to be a legend. Like, I think a lot of people go out there and want to become great. But I went out there with the necessity to play the best that I could.

Also with the knowledge that I had never been in a space like this before. I grew up very poor. I didn't grow up with opportunity. And so I have never left the country before. I got my passports. specifically to go play survival. So if I would have got voted out of day one, I already had won the game.

So there's no trauma attached to it at all. What I did see, because she tagged me in it, Liz commented under one of these posts, because I don't see politics. I don't see nothing survival at no point. But Liz commented, and she was like, I'm so sorry, T, I was wrong. You were the only one making sense. So I think she went back and listened to that chaotic talking that we were doing before we voted. And, I mean, it just was.

It wasn't trauma, but it just was like, damn. Like, it just was too much going on. And like I said, Q, I'm not going to hold your hand. If you want to go, get up and go. Get up and go. Honolome were, you know, Honolome was just too dumb. I got trauma from it.

I got trauma from it. I do. I got trauma from it. I thought for sure I was going to be the first person gone because I know me. I know the spaces that I've been in. I know the kind of charisma that I have. I already knew that I was going to be a target. socially to begin with.

And so once I made it pass first, I was like, I could make it several. I might make it several spots in it. That's a seven. Correct. Yeah, I might make several spots and I made it phone in a several. Yeah. Hunter,

why did that episode bring back trauma for you? Well, it's not like, it was fun. I actually wasn't able to watch it, but I was getting lots of text from people watching it. It's one of those moments, and this is where it's fun to sit here and get to talk about it. And I've begun to relearn the fun of like, talking about what I would do in that situation.

But in the moment, it's always so hard to tell when you're missing some of the pieces. They didn't have to do a rerun on that episode. I've replayed it so many times in my head. In my head, it has alternate endings. And I promise the alternate endings are way more fun than the one that we saw, at least in Vermont, in my opinion. And so it just kind of brings it back up. And you almost feel, I know, Tep is like, I went out there to do this and I got what I wanted from it. I would try to win that thing.

Okay. And I, I like, knew there were so much. many things I could have done differently. If, because, I mean, we had so little time. And then you, you know, lay at bed at night afterwards. You're like, oh, I could have done this. We could have been great. This would have been awesome.

If we would have done this, if I would have. And so, and then it's over and there's like no chance to retain it. And they bring it back up. Like, oh, no, another world's going to see that I did not do X, Y, Z that I could have done it. So it is tough there. And so even whenever we rewatch these episodes now, it's like, what with a grain of salt. Like, I understand that these people, like Joe's interaction and the way he reacted,

I can't fault him completely. I may say it wasn't the best idea or the best way of handling it. Was there something specific that you would have done differently at that tribal? Absolutely. Well, here, let me just reset it for every. So the hide and see. It was a great episode. It was really fun for me to go back and rewatch.

There's so much in there. Q does the Q skirt. They play hide and seek. There's just a lot going on there. And ultimately that Q is going to. Jeff that if he could leave at tribal council ultimately ends up where Tevin goes home. The people at tribal council don't vote Q out even though he says vote him out. So Hunter, what would you have done differently? So Q

would have worked with us if I would have asked him to vote anybody other than Tiffany because Tiffany was gone. What I would have I would have done is I would have told Tevin I have an idol. Don't say anything about it. I'm bringing it up right before right before we just says it's time to vote. And I'm going to say no, Jeff, we're not going to vote now. Me, Tevin, and Tevin's extra vote is, and one other person in this group are voting for one of y'all randomly. One of you four are getting, or one of you,

I guess at that point it would have been, there were one, two, three, three, four, five, because there was, there was ten of us. There were six of them in the other group. One of you is getting four votes. And y'all can continue to try to vote for Tevin right now, but if you do, just know those votes are canceled out, and one of you, random four people are going home. And I also probably

would have said some very straightforward things to Liz, because I was so frustrated with Liz in that moment. because this is not this is not healthy i don't know if this is like the kind of counseling we need but i was so frustrated with lids this is it yeah i was so frustrated with liz because the rest of the season liz is so like always talks about how she did it eat and you know who the most the person who was most concerned with like liz's eating was tevin like tevin and every morning like get up and like take the crab like try to go catch uh liz food and so and then when she

like had all these episodes about not eating i was like it's like you voted on the person who wanted of food. Anyway, that probably would have been really not nice to her in that moment. So it's probably best that I didn't. But that's what I would have done. And I don't even think I would have had to play my idol for Tevin. I think I could have held on to it and still had my idol. We probably would still use three votes between the two of us. And then Q, I think, would have voted for us. And I don't think Charlie or Maria would let it just go up to chance. Like, I don't think they would be fine with saying, if he does, one of us could easily go home. And so, what, likely would have happened is they would have voted Q out. I would have guess everyone would have

jumped on Q because he would have had no protection. But it would have been a much better way of saving Tevin and still keeping my idol and mixing it up a little bit. Well, Hunter, I want to make sure that we're giving you plenty of grace here because is this the perfect plan that you've thought of since that time or were you contemplating it that day? Oh no, no, no, no, no. So in the moment, that day, that was not, that was not on it. So don't think that it's hard. You couldn't have done anything different. Yeah.

Well, you could play the Idol for Taven. I could have played the Idol for Taven. But in that moment, it was, we're talking about Cs to 50. I don't want to be like rehash it all this stuff. Yeah. No, I, but I get it. Like, sometimes you come up with the like,

oh, you know what I should have done? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have all of this stuff that you're like, you have unlimited time. You'll come up with a perfect answer. I've replayed it plenty of time. in my head.

But you got to do what you got to do in that moment. So to honest point, we went out there to win. I definitely wanted to win the game. But if you don't, I'm glad to that full. So I didn't. But what did I get from it? And what did I win? What did I win from?

And I think every person could take something away regardless of where you, where you go. Yeah. Now, season 46 was also known for people going home with not to open another source subject. Going home with idols or advantages in their pocket when they get the game. Now, I guess this must have been very top of mind for Billy Eilish, who decided to base a whole immunity idol around the idea of here's the idol, send it to somebody. And if they get voted out with it in their pocket, it comes back to you. Do you think Billy Eilish was inspired by Survivor 46? Sure. Why not?

Gas ourselves up. Yes, absolutely. I'm sure she loved every moment. Yeah, I didn't know she was a fan like this. I just saw her at the, but I went to the Beloved Community Awards and she was there accepting her, you know, award there. But, uh, she said in about no, I don't know. But I think it's interesting. I mean, I think it's kind of like, you know, it could, I think it kind of makes it more dangerous for the person sending it.

Because I think once the word gets out that they, that this thing exists, it's kind of like, well, you can say, well, I sent, uh, you know, this person, this whatever. But I think once people discover that you did that, it kind of makes you a strategic player, depending on how you use it. And so I don't, I'm interested to see how they're going to, you know,

use it, you know, use it to, you know, and hope that they work with you? Or are you going to use it hoping they get voted out with it? And then having to discern as a player that is watching you have done that, if you find out, I guess, I don't know. I think it's just fascinating. I don't know how I feel about it yet. What's the optimal way to do?

to handle the Billy Elish boomerang idol. Well, okay, I'm going to take it back for like a game place look at this. I'm not sure I'm a fan of it on a returning season because I know they want to limit pre-gaming as much as possible, but they've introduced a mechanic that actually favors people who did pregame because if I never pre-games anybody and I'm on an island of people who have pre-gamed and made connections, this idol may be the only thing that I have had happened. to help me. And I get it and it does nothing for someone who hasn't pre-gamed, someone who doesn't have connections. Like Genevieve is, interestingly enough, one of the few people that have

no other people from a season that they played with. And so unless she has actually done pre-gaming, she really has no connections of people to send it to. And so we see it played out where she's like, I don't, I don't know. She sent it to Ozzy. It seems like a super random pick because she doesn't know who to send it to. She doesn't have anybody to send it to. And so I do think it is unfavorable to the person who doesn't pre-game. That being said, how would I play it? One, I'd be like, well, this is no help. Like, this is useless. I would, I don't think you, it's a great, it's a fun

ploy. I think it is so hard to send it to somebody knowing who's on the bottom. And if they are on the bottom, would they not play an idol, you know, like that, that would be so hard to predict without it being like in a merge situation where you have some control of it. Because it's really just a shot in the dark. And so all I think, in my opinion, is it can help someone. And you may, Rob, do you think you think you could pick out someone who's going to go home with an idol on another tribe? No, I don't think you could. I think the only way to handle it is to try to find somebody, who do I want to work with? And I think that that's an interesting point you make about the

pre-gaming that I hadn't even really been thinking of that it does favor. Okay, who did I talk to before and other than like who's a person I would like to hypothetically work with. I think it's probably going to go to people who maybe did have some type of connection. I think that you could sort of lean on, well, who got voted out with an idol in their past season. But I think that that person might be less. More prone. Yeah. Yeah.

I like they mentioned Tiffany. I would probably be a great candidate if I was on. There is no way. Like there is a different level of. of like extra, what have I done when you give it out of the idol? Because there was always that more that you could have, you could have done. So there's that extra little bit of trauma to remember, like, I ain't letting this happen again. First of I get, I'm playing this thing.

Because it does fog your brain a little bit in terms of the strategy that you're trying to implement. You don't, you never have to go all out with one strategy because you always have this backup plan. I think it hurts people. Well, that's so interesting. When we reincorporate Joe back into this, where that the players who came back for season 50 are saying like, well, I'm not going to lose the same way I lost last time.

And Joe's like, well, I'm not going to let anybody have a secret alliance that I'm not going to know about this time. I think the people who went out with an idol probably are more like if they get an idol, they're playing it anytime. I think where they could change it a little bit is what they've done in the past where you can level up idols. I think they could have done that and say, hey, it only is going to work for two tribals. Or if you stand as a someone and it comes back, as soon as someone is a normal, idol. If it comes back to you and you're right, it's like one of those super immunity idols to where you can play after the boat. Because I would be so surprised if it actually gets in someone's hands and makes it back to that person. Like, what are the odds of that happening? I will say that Christian

sent it to Aubrey, who I do believe did get voted out with an idol in Survivor or the edge of extinction. Was that because he thought she was going to be voted out with it? I don't know if that was a factor, but I do believe that Aubrey had an idol in the edge of extinction when she gets voted out. And she gets voted out in the pre-merge by Victoria and I forget who else was there. I think that

like Gavin and maybe that, but I think Aubrey did, but I don't think that that was Christian's reasoning. Yeah, I think Christian. They did it a little confusing to me because the last confessional that he had before we transitioned to her was him saying, oh, I have another plan. I could do it like this and I'm one of

way. Then it cuts to her. Then it cuts back to him saying Godspeed or whatever he says. So it kind of felt both nefarious and, you know, like lending a hand to a friend. So I don't exactly know how I was going to play out. I don't know what his intention was. Tell me a little bit about what you thought about Savannah coming back. Did she have a shot in this season? I wouldn't have told no, but I mean, you run the risk of Rizzo telling it, I guess, but you have the advantage of nobody knowing who the hell you are or how well you did. You could have, you could have just been a fascinating character. I mean, and you couldn't be back for any reason, but I would not have said that I won. Uh, and there's other winners there that you can push that and go before

you like, D, you know, to push those people, but I would not have said that. So as soon as he said it, I say, yeah, you're done. I knew it last episode that it was, it was old because nobody wants to play with a, uh, and you just play. So they feel less bad to vote you out because you just play. They, they don't have the emotional impact. Like, you just play, girl. Like, we had played since season one. They didn't have trouble voting Jimma out. And Jenna, sorry, Jenna. And she had, she had to play for a while.

So I don't think that is even on the table for these players. Like, we don't care if you haven't played in 25 years, presenting you home. Yeah. I think that with the thing that was uniting both Jenna and Savannah, though, was like, we don't really know her. I think that that was like the one thing that both of them shared. I don't think it was so much that she won. And obviously, Jenna didn't win. But I think it was like, eh.

You know, like, she seems nice, but we don't really know her like that. She doesn't have a lot of friends. I think it's just an easy target. I think Savannah's play, if you come into a season like this, the hard part isn't, I don't think, is that she won. It's the unknown. And so as tribe mates, I have to figure out why is this girl selected for season 50? And there's two reasons.

You're a character or you're really good at the game. And Rizzo has an advantage in that. It is very obvious. He is a character. Like everyone knows this kid is a goober. And so they probably don't think he's just like a mastermind. Is he go? Yeah, Risguer.

Here we go. That's hilarious. Okay, maybe. But they look at him and like Colby has said, like this guy, this kid is a character. And so I think most people are alleviated from the idea this guy's, oh, he's going to backstap. He's going to be very creative, like malicious and things like that. While Savannah has a much more poised, she's talking strategy to people. And so anyone who looks at this will say Savannah is good at this game, whether she won or

not. Even if she said, I made final four and they voted me out or they did fire, in my head, this girl is good at the game because they don't just pull people in who are mediocre at strategy unless they're a big character. If Savannah would have come in and just act like a complete goofball, it's like a top of the wall, she probably could have could have sold that I was on season 49 and I'm here because of the funny antics. That's exactly how it's about. But it's hard to say that when you win. And her and Rizzo both, they talk about talking to each other before going on 50. They could have come up with like a, hey, let's just lie about what we did.

And I think they would be willing to work together on 50, especially since they would be at such a disadvantage. And so if she said, hey, I came in seven, but obviously I'm a big character, she probably could have gone further. But again, that's what I was. She had two weeks. She had two weeks to try to figure that out. And that's hard. So I would say that to give just some of my own personal history, with this where I came back for, I don't know this is ancient history for you guys.

Teaching history class today, Hunter. So I came back for Survivor All-Stars. And while it was not right the season before, but it was a couple of months before season eight air or filmed was the finale of season six. The winner of my season was Jenna Maraska. she was on Survivor All-Stars, and so was I. And so in some ways, it was a pretty parallel to Savannah and Rizzo coming back. And I know that I certainly felt like, okay, well, she won that season, but this time is,

it's my time. Then I'm going to be the winner of this season. And so I think that Rizzo probably would not have been shy about telling people, like, yeah, well, you know, they brought us both back, but she was the winner, you know. She'd like make a bigger target on her back, I would think. And I know that I certainly felt like in season. I wasn't targeting Jenna Maraska, but like I felt like and they and they knew obviously they had seen this.

So it's not a one to one. But I did feel like, okay, well, this time I deserve it. You know, she got it last time. But this time it's my time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be hard.

And Savannah's in a really hard spot because she's obviously like from the outward looking at it. she's a savvy player. And no, you're talking about Surrey not picking up on that you're like pretty savvy. And Sarie said it. I would rather play with somebody that I know than someone that I don't. And I think that was the end all for Sarie deciding. I'd rather Savannah go home than Joe. I'd rather have Joe around because I know exactly what he's going to be like, I don't know this Savannah girl.

Which is why you need to, you know, it's kind of like when I, you know, when I go on stage and I have to, you know, do a character. the first couple seconds you walk on stage sets the tone for who this person is about to be. And so that is the most important part of any play is that first moment you step on stage. Who are you and how am I supposed to feel about you? And so her entry into the game to Hunter's point and is, you know, coming in and making, which might have been, it's probably difficult to, if that's not in you to make, you know, a character of some sort. But I think not stating I won and rather delineate yourself or, you know, moving yourself

or, you know, moving yourself from that and making yourself somebody else that can throw them off of that scent. And Rizzo might have said, it's true. He might have said, well, you know what you want, but Rizzo, you also know Rizzo. Like, Samantha, you know him. And so spin that back on him.

I mean, he's a character, he's a character himself. Like, make it seem like he's lying, but then that might just show, I don't know, how that would play out. I don't know. I think it was tough for her. So you both went on journeys. I asked Savannah about going on the journey

because I feel like that that was the biggest thing that went against her was she went on the journey and then be like, well, I know she probably has something now. We don't really buy her story. But she said that she felt like that she was in such a bad position that it was almost like a Hail Mary for her to go on the journey at that spot. Do you think that that was the right call to go on the journey? If she understood that she was on the bottom and that was it, maybe so. But did it, okay, she came back and said she got nothing, right? She said that She just did not lose her vote. She said, yeah, she just got her vote back.

She got her vote back. That would have a different lie about that. Yeah. Why not lie and say that you got an advantage that's like going to save you? Like, I mean, because they know that it's a, that one's a lie. But again, this is, which she's the one in the moment. She has won, which none of us have done before. And so maybe she knows more than us in that situation.

But it is hard to go on those journeys where people know that you're going to get something. And then, uh, but they almost didn't, you know, for, for, for, I mean, it was true that she did think that, oh, I'm not going to get anything. I just got my bow back. It was to that last second that she then, you know, learned she got something. But what I would have done is got back because whether or not that word would be true and he didn't get anything, no tribe is going to believe you got nothing when you came back. And the other thing that I've seen players do is that they think that they, being nonchalant,

is going to save their credibility. And so she, unless it was edited this way, but this is just what I saw. So I'm taking it with a grain of salt. but they showed her walking away and going to lay on the beach. You never leave these people alone to talk about you, especially after a moment like that. I'm going to sit right here. I'm going to control the narrative because if I control the narrative,

I get to make sure that you aren't breaking apart my story and at least do that long enough so something else can happen. Somebody, something happens and now the focus is off of me. But walking away and saying that and acting like, oh, yeah, nothing happened. is actually more indicative of you lying than if you would have stayed there, I think. I would have lied and said, you know, I got an advantage that serves the tribe. Like, we can hurt another tribe. Like, Juan.

Yeah. I got to send something over there to hurt someone or give someone this. See, I get to send the swarm of bees, like in the Hunger Games. Not a swarm of bees. I've sent the plague over there. What are you sending over there? Like, I'm trying to imagine, like, I get to drop a skunk off at there. K.

I don't know. I got to send somebody, I don't know. I got to send somebody to Exile Island, girl. Anything. I would have made anything up. But what you cannot say is I got nothing. But what's funny is that her story that she tells them is the same story that Colby's going to tell his tribe because he doesn't think she got anything.

And so she could get away with not having, like, not anyone knowing if they believed it. But it's really hard. That's like a game design that's tough for them. He will say, you know, I lost my vote. And she didn't get anything. A negative. A negative is more believable than a nothing positive. You just got your vote back.

It doesn't sound real. But I lost my vote. You wouldn't make that up. And you believe Colby, I think, whatever he's telling you. Yeah. I just mean like long term when they get to emerge, Colby's not going to know that she has. No, I get it.

I don't know about you guys now, but I would never get on one of these boats to go on the journey. And I think that the thing that really, I sort of changed my opinion after your season because I really thought that Q's strong six and I know that you all scoffed it like that was never a thing that was

never going to work. I do feel like that that was a interesting idea. So the only reason I would ever want to go and get on the boat is to make some kind of relationship with the other people who go but it's such a negative when you come back and what you get

like Savannah was in a bad spot so she went on the journey to try to see if she could change the dynamics. But you get an extra vote, maybe a block of vote. Like, it's not, you don't get five votes. So if you're in a bad spot, I think that going on the journey is like, is not so great. I think that if you're maybe in the power player on your tribe, maybe you go there to keep somebody else from getting something.

But I think if you're in a not so great spot, I would never get on the boat. Yeah, that was that was kind of the situation with whenever I went. We were in a good thought that we wanted me to go because we didn't want anybody else to have a chance to get something. And so, Tevin and Liz and I, and I think Stoda was in on it.

Like, we're like, I don't worry about being just getting something. And so we're like, we'll just let Hunter go. Was it a good idea? I don't know. And it's fine whenever you're kind of in a good spot.

I think later in the game, like that was really close to the merge. It was fine for me to go because we had wiggle room to play with. I have no idea what my advantage would have been like it seems like knowledge his power would have fit there, but I did not have the knowledge to get the power. So we're in trouble.

I think leaving with at least a relationship is important if you don't get the, you don't get the thing. But I think, you know, to your point, Rob, it's detrimental. But even for, you know, I talked about this with you actually when you interviewed me after my boot episode, and I told you, like, one of the things that I did when I went with, which they did not show it, which is fine. But

when I went with Jillinsky and Maria to my journey, one of the things that I said was, you know, well, if, you know, Maria, if you choose me, you know, and Jalinski, if you just kind of give this up, what we can do is we can be a three when we make it to the merge. I would like to, you know, have this door open. And then in the shot, you can see us cross our hands and say, let's shake on it. And then we shake. And there was no reason for us to shake because we made no agreement.

But that cut was from me saying, let's just say that we'll be a three. And so that's something I wanted to take out. And that's why me and Maria kind of became close throughout the game. And she voted them out. Correct. Which is what I was the only person. I have the only person in the 6th that did not vote for another person in the 6th. We were going to vote for Tiffany, though.

I did not. What? We were going to vote for Tiffany, though. No, no, no, no. I didn't write her name down. Excuse me. We were going to. We were going to.

Okay. I have something that's a very random survivor 46 connection that I thought of this week. And I'm so happy that I can share it with you guys. So we have, of course, in this season that we have, Aubrey on the tribe with Q. And remember when Por Mariah said the Q about her favorite player was Aubrey.

And Q did not like that her favorite player was Aubrey. That was a big mistake. Don't do that. And so I was thinking back to that you all had this challenge in Survivor 46, if I recall. And what was the issue going into this challenge

that we saw in the reward challenge. The reward challenge. Mariah's big concern was, guys, I don't know how to jump. I can't. I can't jump. That's right. And who was the one person who missed hitting the key

with the club? It's more like Aubrey than we even realized. That's funny. What season is it that someone kept doing? They kept going over and over and over again and they could get it. I think it was Adam in Winners at War, I think was really strong. was struggling on this, right?

Yeah, just kept going back to back, and he was getting so exhausted. He kept trying to get it, trying to get it. That's a really funny connection, actually. And that's hilarious. You should get... Aubrey can't jump. Aubrey cannot jump.

She got it the second time. Yeah. I think Mariah didn't even have a problem. I think that she was like more of like a story beat for Mariah that she was going to... Guys, I can't do this and she did it. But Aubrey really... We ended up not even having a jump and hit anything. We just had to jump off of something.

Yeah. You can just fall. Just fall in the damn water. I would have loved personally in that challenge to see, uh, to re-doge the bullet, which is like, I'm not getting on a balance beam. But I wanted it for the growth.

I wanted it for the art because it was just that I've already grown. I've already grown. So I would love to see her, you know, scale it and be like, listen, I did it. I did it. But I understand. That's like,

yeah, can I ask you all because I know we have 24 people in this season. So maybe we're doing things different. But typically, does everybody have to start on the top and then go across the balance beam? Did they make it so only four people had to do it this season? Is that atypical? Well, how many people had to sit out? I guess only one for me.

Only Camilla sat out. So there were four people that did the jumping off the thing. And so it seemed like that there were three people that didn't even have to do the balance beam. It's atypical. But I think for time's sake, it's probably like a logistics reason. I don't know. I guess they could have cut it however they wanted to. So I don't know why they didn't.

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Let me bring in some questions for you all from the listeners And so Dave Noease says As a good narrator of events himself Who does Kevin think is the best narrator On season 50? I mean, I like hope. I think he's poetic.

He has heightened text. Is he a reliable narrator? You said what? Is he a reliable narrator? I think he's a reliable narrator. I think that he still has honor and integrity. I think that he's starting to, you know, he wants to be a little bit more nefarious with his gameplay now.

He wants to, you know, slip and slide. But I think out of everybody there, he's probably the most reliable one. I think there's some people who want to be, you know, the narrator. But who gives it to me the best is coach. I think he's reliable, right? He's especially reliable from his point of view. He's reliable. Yeah.

And he's uplifting. He gives good. If anybody that can evoke McGellon and Monmouth King is, you know what I'm He did trip over a couple of his quotes, I think. You know, the adversary and the enemy is today. And that one was interesting. But I get his leg became his adversary when he cramped up in the wall. I said, now, you didn't know you were talking about yourself when you was talking about your

enemies, your adversary and him off. That was you. Your leg did that to you. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's pretty reliable for his point of view. Like, I don't think he's trying to beat a seeful. I don't know, but he's lied on.

I can't see the difference in where he's saying, I'm trying to be honorable in that he's trying to play the game without being extra lying. Like, Ozzy is saying he lied whenever he said that he was going to give me this thing. But coach didn't lie. Like, coach never agreed to it. And so I think he is trying to fight back on that.

But I don't know that he's saying that I'm not going to lie to people in this yet. And he needed to clear that up. He said, I know y'all crying about Kyle. Well, let me go clear this stuff. Ozzie, excuse me. Excuse me. I, I know. I'm not.

I mean, he gave him. He was very burdening his spirit about that. Excuse me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm playing with dignity. Thank you. Thank you. That's the damn.

Okay. Ben Gregory wants to know. Who would you personally want to spend a night on Exile Island with from season 50? That was going to be too. Yeah. I don't want to spend a night with nobody on Exxon. I think, well, obviously Christian is a good one because the dude made fire from the glass. Yeah, but he can't from the moon.

Do what? He can't make fire from the moon. You don't start at night, right? You start during the day. So hopefully you can have a chance there. I think we get, I would have a good time with Christian because I think I would match his energy pretty well. And he just seems like a lot of fun. I mean, Tiffany, because I'm friends with Tiffany.

Jonathan seems like he can catch food. So those are like from like a logistical standpoint. But I am just interested in getting to meet Christian. I think he's just a fun guy. Okay. You've never met Christian before. What would you talk about when you met up with Christian? I would just hear what he has to talk about.

I think he's got so much information on different things. He just seems like such a fun person to talk with. Did you see Jeff's like live before the thing where he was like Mnobro was talking to Christian? He's like, I'm not going to give you the mic, Christian. And Christian kept trying to take the mic from him. But he's like, no, that's like, it was funny. Did you see when Jeff downs Tiffany's wine? Yeah.

Yeah, he was very loose. He was very loose. I was like, ah, this is something. And also in that. Q decided to wrestle against Jonathan. I don't know what he was saying. What? Yeah.

Q, challenge him to a race, challenging to something, not like a physical, like we're going to push each other. No, wrestling has a weight. No, I don't go fight the Incredible Hulk. He gets stronger the matter.

How do you, how do you go fight against damn Thanos with all infinity stones? You out of your damn mind. You is crazy here. What's that thing from Fantastic Four to the, the rock. thing.

The thing. The whole name is the thing? Yeah. He's a thing. I don't want, Q. Q. Held's his own for a minute before Jonathan.

With all infinity stones. Yeah. Is a prehistoric mammal. I don't hear something else. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't go great. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Then Lydia Martin wants to know who on season 50 would be the best at hide and seek. I gotta go through the list. I know. I'm thinking through all the people. I'm like, who would be the best? Um,

we know. Well, no, probably Ozzy, because Ozzy would scale a tree like Hunter did. Ozzie's probably the best one. Ozzy still got it. I didn't know if he was going to come back and have it. Yeah. But he still got it.

So he would probably scale a tree at somewhere and you wouldn't find it. Ozzie would probably be really into it. That's a good, that's a good point. You have to think of, like, who would be good at it and who would care enough. Like, Mike White would be like, I'm not hiding. I'm not. He got a damn near A-PAC those. He might stay in a tweet.

He said, I did not, I did not get this A-Pack to hide. Yeah. To hide. I got this A-Pact to show it off. Okay. So, Ozzy would probably be a good one there. Surrey's like, I'm not hiding here. But they don't leave nothing to the imagination. I mean, they keep doing these close-ups.

Everybody in these wet, soggy draws. I'm like, it's like survival 50 in the hands of the only fans. I'm like, damn. Everything is out. Everything is out. I mean, my God. Oh, my God. My God.

I see everything. Everything. I did not see what I didn't know. Do you feel that that is it correct, Hon-U? Do you have a different title for the season? So, okay. Yeah, so I don't know who I don't want to say on the island with nobody. Okay.

Well, I'll say, you know who I think would be my pick for hide-and-seek is Camilla. She's small. She's competitive. She's zip that thing up like this. Yeah. She's gone. Laying in the grass. I always she puts her little hood on it.

She just said her little faces, I love Camelma. And she immediately started doing it, too, in the first episode. Vicki might be a good one. He might, can invent, I mean, he's talking about the damn. I said, not, what do you say? The, the, it's the, oh, I wrote it down when he said it. What do you say?

Pallax? You know how when you see something from a different angle, and, like, if you close your eye and your finger jumps when you move your eyes, so it changes the positioning, but it's in the same spot, and it's called the, the, the, the fire. Relax. The parallax. The parallax.

Wow. When they was doing the game with him to read and who was doing that? He was like the parallax. So he probably would find a damn parallax of a rock and find out how to cut through it and hide inside of a stone scientifically. I mean, I don't put it past him. Rick Davins would be good too because I think he would take it seriously. He'd be competitive. Yeah.

He'd be competitive. Okay. All right. This is from Josh Mulker who says, you're at tribal counsel and think you see a hidden advantage. How do you go about getting it? All right. Let's talk about that, but Hunter, can you give me your thoughts on the whole idea of hide the fake idol at tribal council? Do you like this idea?

Okay, so I saw clips of this and then saw him hiding before I actually knew what the context was. And in my head, I thought they were hiding a real idol. I thought they had somehow gotten one and it was like, hey, if a tribe switch comes up and one of us is in trouble, we know that this is at tribal. Oh, that's my too. That's really an interesting idea because I think production would be all for that because if him and Christian get split up, then they're in trouble. And, hey, we always know that this is that tribal where it's going to happen. Hiding the advantage there is also a lot of fun because it just opens up a ton of stuff. And everybody's being so wary and so unsure of, you know, like, what is this thing?

Who knows what's going to happen? And knowing Rick Devons and who he is, I actually think may hurt him a little bit because they may be like, oh, he's playing a game to us. But if Christian went up there and grabbed it, it becomes way more viable, in my opinion. Because Christian doesn't seem like he plays these kind of games. Rick does. But it being there, I think it's incredibly clever. Yeah. I mean, my understanding of what they're going to do ultimately is like, hey, there's a time in the future.

Rick Devons is about to get voted out. And then before getting voted out, he stands up, goes over, says like, bad news, everybody. I just got the idol. and everybody that they saw it, they see him go and grab it. They didn't see him planting it. They buy it. I don't think they're like,

well, let me see that note. Let me read it. It's like I think that maybe it just erupts into a live tribal council. That's been my thought on what they're trying to do here. Yeah, I think that's exactly what they're trying to do.

But I mean, the note is about the Billy Irish thing, isn't it? Yes. So it's going to have to be like, you can't let them read the note. But I think that maybe it's in the fog of war. tribal council that may be you just saw him go and find an idol.

I don't know if you're like, wait, hold on a second. Let me read that note. Yeah, that's that's like the fog of war of tribal council is a, is a real thing that I don't think people appreciate where it's just, it's crazy and sometimes it's a little hard to get your bearing on it. Even whenever I was getting voted out, and obviously I was so graceful with that. At one point, I was like, you know, if we're all voting queue, then we can just do the thing where Jeff says,

if y'all are voting in Q, we're going to send him home right now, and I need to go up there. And I turned to present that to the group, and Venus was like, no, we're not doing that. And you're like, Hunter, why won't you pick up then that, like, something's happening? But that fog of war is crazy when stuff is like, yeah, it's exploding in front of you. Kevin, did you like this idea? Hey, actually, grown down in my nose, I was like, I think it's interesting that, you know, to do that and to see what happens after that. But I like, Hunter's, you know, thought of, you know, putting the real one there.

And, you know, when things flip around, I guess, you know. But I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting gameplay. I think it's new. I think it's invented. I hope, you know, people are probably terrified to look around travel council to see if there's an idol there because of it was Adam that. Was that Adam?

They tried to use that. He was not. Dela Fleur or whatever it is. He tried to pull off. Yeah, this is, it's not an idol. So, you know, I don't know if people have that expectation, which makes it fun for me because it's unexpected. And in a season of unexpectedness, I think it's a great twist.

And I'm wondering how they're going to use it to their advantage. or if it'll blow up. I also kind of wondered, I mean, it was very subtle, but he started digging in his bag, and it was silent. And I thought I felt like Emily flipping, like, saw it. Like, he didn't look and see it, of course. But it just felt so not the right time. I wish he would have pulled it out as they walked away.

So I wonder if they just didn't show it, but Emily might have saw it or comments on it later, maybe, because I just felt like it was very apparent you're digging in your bag, and what reason would you have to be digging in your bag at tribal counsel? I don't know. she may know she may know about it as well because she's as close with them though I have a question though for you Rob on game mechanics if you think this would happen um if you did have an aisle you were trying to share with people could anybody grab it like if like hey me emily and Christian all want to put my idol there if technically it's mine could Emily grab it if she needed it like what do you know what the rule is I think if you're in agreement about it I think it would be a different set of rules like so let's say like Rick Christian and Emily, they have an idol and they hide it at tribal council, but maybe they hide in a place where maybe Q sees it. And Q goes up at tribal council and he takes it. It's like, well, well, you hit this at tribal council. Yeah. You're not hiding it in your possession. I kind of feel like

it'd be finders keepers in that scenario. Really? Okay. That would be. But again, I don't know necessarily, like I can't imagine. My rule is, and I know that the rule, they take the rules very seriously, but I do feel like that when it's a 50-50, I think that they come down on like, what's going to be the better television. Yeah, what's better television? And they would absolutely love that at television. And then, because then the question is, how does a knowledge as power works in? If I've left this at tribal, if someone asks me, do you have an idol?

Well, no, no, not on me. I don't have an idol. It would be a tough one to figure out. So that's introducing some stuff that would be like- A can of worms. I love the publicness of it. I love that if somebody does have, you have to go up in front everyone or you have to triple drop something or whatever.

I think it's putting, making things public always. I think Jeff has talked about that. Making things public always ups the ante for the chaos of the game because now you have to decide how and when and why you would even go through doing that. I think that's great for the viewer to watch. This is an interesting question from Felipe who says, what were the expectations on Liz's Applebee's meltdown based on the stories you heard at Ponderosa? So obviously you heard about this before it happened, but you weren't there to see it. Does when, when you hear about something and then, and then it plays out on television,

was it, was it bigger than you imagine or was it about the same? Like it was, the way that they explained it to me, when they came, you know, when they made it to the potterosa, I was like, what? I mean, they explained it pretty much how it, how it occurred. So I was, I was expecting it, but watching it, I was like, oh. Q just kept saying, Hunter, it is worse than you think it is. Yeah. We cannot describe how bad it's going to be.

He's like, Hunter, it is worse. It is worse. And even what was shown was a toned down version of what actually happened. Yeah. Well, at one point, well, I mean, not done too, but so many things happen during this. But that's just how it was explained to us is she, she kind of, she kind of flipped out. Yeah. It's worse than you expected it.

Because my recent experience with the traders, what I found was that sometimes, like, like you hear about something and then it actually, then when it's on TV, it's like, oh, that wasn't, that wasn't as great as what you. There's three different truth.

When you play this game, that makes it difficult. There's your truth. There's my perception of your truth. And then there's the camera's truth. Like all those things have a different angle on the reality. And so after you play, the only people that can really,

uh, you know, understand it are the people that were there in that moment. Because once you come back and once we, the game is done and we're watching it, None of us have a cohesive, really, story because we all have a different version of the games and the way that things happen in the game. And you will never get to the root of what it truly was because you can't recall truthfully.

The camera doesn't catch all of it or does. They'll show it all of it. And people's perception of it changes. So you'll never really know. Yeah. And the reality TV personality also might tend to like make their stories sound even more incredible than maybe they actually were. Yeah.

Yeah. You don't think that happens? I think it happens. I think that the memory that players have is like, it might be a little bit more inflated than the actual thing that happened. Look, it's the goal. I'm telling you, revisionist history is incredible. And some people have a superpower that I do not have because some people can look at

their game and just be like, I was God's gift to survivor. And I look at my game, I'm like, there is no way I can ever in good conscience say that about it. But yeah, definitely people have a tendency to maybe inflate or rewrite small parts that maybe weren't quite as they were. That's why one of the, you know, one of the shows I'm watching right now was dance mom. That's totally right.

I love that. I watch that show faithfully. I watch it every night. Is it still on his new episodes? Do you watch old dance moms? It is done. After Abby went to jail and all that. Yeah.

Okay. It's cooked. However, the reason I bring that up is because I stopped on the last season. And even as the seasons go on, it starts to get progressively a little bit different. And so what Survivors, the same synonymous on is that when a show starts, they don't know the formula. And they are themselves. They're authentic. And that's what makes it interesting. When the moms on dance moms, when they first started, they didn't know the shows will be that good. But they were yelling and arguing and all this stuff because that was just, it was abrasiveness because that's just who they are. But once people learn the formula of something, they try to.

slot into it. And so I don't love characters on reality TV that learn this is how it goes. This is what people love. This is what the social media like. So I'm going to make moments as opposed to being authentically yourself and letting the moments, you know, make themselves. So I think that, you know, that to your point, it is, it happens across the reality TV spectrum. And it takes the enjoyment out for me once I know you're trying to be the legacy rather than the legacy happening by the necessity of you just having to be yourself. Okay. And then Andy Stillerman wants to know, were either of you contacted for Survivor 50?

Yeah. I just say, I wasn't. So now that answers your question. Okay. If one of the two of us was and I wasn't, you know, you know. Well, to go back to the original thesis is that, you know, there's so many people from Survivor 46 that they could have brought back. At some point, they probably say, okay, well, how many, what are we going to have

seven people from this cast on the show. But, like, I certainly think, you know, both of you are very viable candidates to return. Do you think Survivor will do more returning player seasons after the success season? I take that they have to. My prediction has always been is that if they go back to the way that it's been after 50, that people, even my, you know, my aunt who loves the show, she's like, listen, I can't take it.

You know, if they go back to this three tribe Fiji thing, like, I can't do it. So people are getting physically exhausted with the same old same. So I think to increase their longevity, Jeff, CBS, if y'all see this, I think that, you know, the increasing of their longevity comes from. Now you need to do, you know, themes again. You bring back themes. You can stretch it back out because people want to see, you know, blood versus water again with these new people. They want to see heroes versus villain. They want to see this stuff again, which we haven't seen since season 30, whatever. Like, that's how you, that's how you change it. I don't know if you go to different places. The world is in turmoil. Please. Stay and feed you. You know. I've said Hunter that they should maybe as they go into the 50s that it doesn't have to be all returning player seasons. What do you think about the idea of doing some more seasons that have captains or maybe a tribe of returning players coming back with a mix of new players? I think that's fun. I mean, what's interesting today, though, is like the people who are playing now are such big fans anyway. So it'd be like fans versus fans who have played.

Right. It's such a good point because the fans in fans for the original fans versus favorites and maybe there's a couple of exceptions but they were just like they were recruits. They weren't fans. They had never even seen Survivor before the people that were on the fans tribe with a couple of exceptions. But now if you did a fans versus favorite season like you know, you bring in these first time players and they're people that have been playing in Survivor ORGs and seen 47 seasons of the show and they're going to come in and play just as hard as the returning players.

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think it could be fun. I think a lot of it's going to depend on the response from this season. I think it's already been good. So far, so good. And I think there is a freedom in the editing bay whenever you're saying,

I don't have to reintroduce this person. There's so much freedom in that. And you have people, like you see Rick Devons is introducing things already because he's played before. And that's something you kind of miss out on when you have new players each time. is they're really learning how to play on the fly. When you bring people back, they have been concocting ideas that are accurate. So, like, if you're a fan and you're watching,

you have an idea of what you'll do when you get out there, but you get out there and you're actually, this is not at all what I thought it was going to be. But when you bring back people who have played before, they have an idea of how they could do a lot of stuff. And I think that's fun. Yeah. Tavin, was there anything else from your notes that we didn't hit on?

I think you asked me every single time. Well, I never want to feel like that we left something, like left meat on the bone. Yeah, oh, listen, I don't need no meat on the bone. The meat is gone. Don't give me old rib. Ozzy out there, Ozzy looked like Rambo. Yes.

Yeah, Rambo and Shambo. No, no, no, no, no. There's Shambo, but then there's the character. So, no. Rambo, don't do me. Don't do me. Rambo, I said what I said. See how y'all trying to do.

Well, he looked like Shambo. These are my notes. Okay, sorry, sorry. You're not a little. Hunter. Oh, I love the warships of Genevieve and Aubrey. I love watching them see each other and playing this game of battleship. Like, I see you.

I'm trying to hit your boat. Like, I love that dynamic. I don't know how that's going to play out, but I love watching that. Yeah. Mike White is cut up. Oh, Rizzo. I don't know why Rizzo, when you see this, I don't know why you're putting your syllables on the wrong word, on the wrong part of the thing. But it's okay.

He said, you know, Vatou. He said motivating. No, he said, Mota, what did he say? Motivating. Is that what he said? He just said syllables all over the place, which I think he's just hilarious because he's such a character, even his syllables are doing it. But no, I think we hit everything. You know, I wanted to talk about.

I think that, you know, to what we were, you know, talking about, I think that they will do. There's so many great people in the Survivor Lexicon to, you know, bring that up. It's like, so many people could have been there. So many people, I think will be there. And 50's going to happen. It's a big thing. And then 51's going to happen.

And then 501's going to go on. and people are going to be asked back. And so they did, you know, call me and contact me. And I think we ended up not going through with it like sometime, like late March or April or something. Yeah, it sounds right. I think that so many people have a chance and opportunity to come back. And I think that they will because there's so many great people. I want to see Hunter back on the beach personally.

And I've told him that since we got home. You know, I think that he deserved a chance. Hunter versus Christian versus Jonathan. That's it. Just them three. That's it. But you have a try. You have a tribe of versus those three.

Okay. And then what about, did you all ever go through anybody's bag when you were out there? I don't think. I never did. You guys had the advantages. Yeah. No, I didn't go through anybody's bag. But also, I didn't keep anything in my bag.

That's what's so strange is people are like, we got to look to their bag. My stuff never went in my bag. Like I had a- Somebody looked through somebody's bag. I think, I want to say Venus looked through somebody's bag, but we were all there. we look through somebody, maybe it was random. Maybe it looked through my bag. I don't know. But my stuff would be well.

It might have been, you, I don't, I couldn't be. I wouldn't let that happen. But somebody, I think Venus looked through somebody's fair. Stuff's not in there. I don't know what. I have a vague memory of us doing that. And I don't know why, but I feel like that occurred. I didn't go through anybody's bag. And I don't think people

understand how like kind of an invasion of privacy, it really will feel like as you're going to somebody's bag. Because that's all you have out there. Like, it is it is like you're picking through their underwear through their socks through whatever shells they've collected it is very like okay i'm going like through somebody's like only personal belongings in this world at this time yeah so you really got to be convinced and your bag is the is the strategy you know i think uh you know Aubrey taking hers was a little bit of like of a because Genevue clearly clock at first I ruined my nose I was like you know I think uh players can create their own paranoia and I thought that's what Genevue was doing but then when I saw Aubrey with the bag knowing that Christian and Central the Idol, I was like, oh, so Genevieve was correct in her application.

So, you know, I maybe not take your bag with you down the path because why do you need it? So stuff like that are like kind of dead giveaways. And we'll see how that plays out. But Genevieve it's on it. The only time I hid stuff in my bag was like the food that I had left over from a reward. When we had the merge, I would take my bag to go change and I would eat my food away from everybody else, like well into the merge. I saved like one cake a day and lasted me.

I think until the day that you left. One take a day. Yeah, we had a lot. Like, I had these little pastry things. So we had won the baked goods. So we had all this stuff. I gave the rest of mine to see. Yeah, they were like, we're going to share.

We're going to share. I was like, I'm not sure. Yeah, I still let them stop. But I was kind of, that's how I am as a human. Like, I can't go to McDonald's, come back home and people sitting here and I eat in front of you. Like, I had, I wanted to give them, you know, something just to say. And I think I said in a confession, I'm like, hello, human, you know, let's play the game but this is just something genuine

I wanted to do for y'all but yeah I's gonna look the damn stuff okay anything else that you guys want to mention before we wrap things up I just I'm curious of two things one does Genevieve seem like she's more anxious this round like I feel

like the last time she was like it's like her and Q have all my Genoieve is the one that's kind of going wild on that trouble she's like want to look at people back that weird stare down that her and Aubrey had well I was like what what is happening here? Like, I always felt like Genevuee was very cool and, like, go with the flow.

Still very strategic, but she's been way more all over. I think she sees, you know, herself and all, like, I think it's just, that's how they're setting it up anyway, you know. So I think that that's frightening her. And that probably does cause an anxiety. And then I think anybody coming back and playing a second time has to, you know, figure out who do I, who am I? You know, do I do what I did last time or do I try something different? like the dichotomy of how you play that out. So I think she's not to be cool, but also I think that it's,

the thought of that is probably causing anxiety too. And the second thing is, does aunt, y'all know who Debbie Ryan is? Yes. Like the one from Disney Channel. Does Angelina remind y'all of her? I don't know Debbie Ryan. We'll look this up.

You're too, you're too. Please put the picture on the screen. How are those? Did you know, do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, I think Angelina is so fun. So, Angelina, if you're watching this. You think she looks like her or she acts like Debbie?

Not necessarily looks like her, but like watch some like, this is so bad. But like some of the red carpet stuff that Debbie Ryan has done, and then like some of the red carpet stuff that Angelina did. And there are some similar mannerisms. I think, I think Angelina is so much fun. That's hilarious. There's a group out there that will understand what I'm. saying.

Yeah. That's so specific, too. How do you know Debbie, Hunter? Because that is, well, like I ain't that old. We'll figure it out later.

People are like, what is this? What are we talking about? Okay. All right. Well, Kevin, where could people keep up with

everything you're doing? Listen, you can follow me anywhere on TikTok and Instagram and threads. I think it's tevin. com.m. If you want to follow me.

It's not on the streets. Don't follow you on the street. Follow me on the streets. You can follow me. Don't go to Kenzie's work and don't follow Tevin on the street. Correct. No, do not follow me on the streets.

No, in these streets, but not actually in the street. And trust and believe that I know that I like to wear buttoned up to little two things, but I can see things on me if you walk up on me the wrong way. I'm not liable for what happens to you if you walk up on me unexpectedly. Trust and believe that. But you can follow me anywhere. I am trying my best to keep, you know, our head above water. I've grown such a big platform now with being able to, you know, do Kamala

and also bring me to the forefront and kind of give people joy when there is none. So if you are in need or whatever, you can follow me there, join the people. But that's where I will be. And details about a tour and all of that stuff is coming. A lot of stuff is coming and I'll be announcing it later. Okay. Thank you. All right.

Can't wait to hear more. Hunter, what about for you? Yeah, if you want to follow me on Instagram, I'm not super great about posting on it, but we are having a big, P-H, M-C-K-K-K. If you're interested, we are doing a big. child's play survivor music Squid Games thing. Kevin's going to be there.

Yeah, we have a question. But we do background text. If you apply it, we do do background text. So don't apply if you've got three felonies. If you're crazy. If you're crazy. We did it last summer. We had 10 survivors come and play and there were 100 adults who came out and played.

And it was a lot of fun. It was really, really well done. It was fun. Now, the most recent video is talking about it on my Instagram. If you want to check that out, you would have to travel to Mississippi to do it. But we've had over 160 who have signed up, and that's not even including. the survivors who are coming back to do it. And so that is the big thing that if anyone is interested out there, check it out.

You as well, Rob. It's very fun. It's very fun. All right. Well, it sounds amazing. Looking forward to seeing more about that. We've got so much more still coming your way this week. And if you haven't checked it out, watch my video breaking down Rick Devons and Joe from

this week's episode. I had so much fun breaking it down and really getting into the backstory of both of these guys. And it was a really fun video to make. So check that out. We're looking forward to seeing what we have to say in the comments. Take care. Everybody, have a good one. Bye.

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