RHAP: We Know Survivor - Interviews From the Ron Clark Academy

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Interviews From the Ron Clark Academy Survivor 50 is back as Rob Cesternino leads a lively recap from the Ron Clark Academy, joined by a variety of Survivor legends. The panel breaks down a high-stakes triple Tribal Council, spotlighting the unpredictable twists, bold idol plays, and shifting alliances that make Season 50 a must-watch. Tensions run high as Kamilla and Genevieve face shocking exits, and the old-school vs. new-school debate heats up with every vote. The episode takes listeners deep into the gameplay of Survivor 50, highlighting concrete events like Kamilla’s dramatic departure, Genevieve’s idol misplays, and Jonathan’s strategic decision as the swing vote at Tribal. Parvati explores the impact of the blood moon theme, discussing the astral vibes woven throughout the season. Andrea reflects on how loyalty and shifting trust play into tribal decisions, especially as strong women leave the game. The group examines Rizo’s polarizing gameplay, noting his ability to connect with both old-school and new-era players, while the role of confessionals and visibility in the edit sparks conversation about gender bias. – Jonathan faces tough choices as the split Tribal Council turns him into a power broker – Genevieve goes home with two idols in her pocket, raising questions about perfect gameplay vs. unlucky tribe swaps – Kamilla’s exit devastates Team Canada, with both viewers and panelists rooting for her comeback – Cirie and Ozzy’s unexpected alliance signals growth, contradicting past grudges and showing player evolution – Rizo (aka Rizgod) polarizes fans with flashy moves and idol waving, but wins over a new generation, sparking debate from Ethan and the group – Tiffany’s confessional surge prompts a discussion on Survivor edit and bias toward women’s airtime As Survivor 50 unfolds, the episode asks: Will old-school loyalty carry Cirie and Ozzy to the end, or will new-school strategists like Rizo flip the game at the next tribal? Can strong women reclaim visibility before the merge, and who will emerge after such a wild night? Tune in for Survivor 50’s full breakdown, including idol drama, alliance shifts, and the ongoing battle between old-school and new-era gameplay—only on RHAP’s Survivor coverage! Chapters: 0:00 Ron Clark Academy Survivor Gathering 06:33 Women’s Experience and Edit Inequality 12:04 Aubry and Genevieve Rivalry Ends 18:28 Cirie and Ozzy Evolving Alliance 24:32 Jonathan’s Tribal Council Choice 30:59 Old School vs. New School Debate 38:01 Aubry’s Comeback and Genevieve Exit 44:13 Cirie, Ozzy, and Rizo in Focus 50:00 Spencer Bledsoe Makes Surprise Appearance 57:01 Canadians Eliminated, Kamilla Emotional Exit 01:03:06 Applebee’s Night and Women’s Triumph 01:08:14 Survivor 42 Reflections To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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It's Robin's podcast. We're on the road. And this is such a treat. I'm here with two of my great Survivor friends that I've known for so long. Get a little close to. Two great winners. And we're just going to get so close here after this amazing event that Ron Clark went on, two hours plus more here of Survivor here with two legends,

Harvardy Shallow and Ethan's on. How are you? I'm doing great. What a night. This is good. Yeah. This is wild. We're at Hogwarts, actually.

You forgot to tell you on that. What a day. What a day. Yeah. If you get the background, if you're watching the video of all this, so that the Ron Clark Academy, it's a sprawling campus here in Atlanta where Ron is, it's really, like, themed, like, from the world of Hogwarts where the school. We all had to choose which house we would belong to today.

I chose the greenhouse. I don't know what it stands for, but that is my house. I think that's a house of love. I believe green. Yes. And in our own ways, we picked our new tribes here and like the survivors did for what was ultimately a night of the blood moon. Oh, my God. So scary.

Yes. It was so scary. Survivor going down the line of astrology. Yes. Witchery. Do you know of the blood moon? Naturally, of course, I know of the blood moon. I am a witch.

Yes. This is in my ancestry. So, yeah, I remember exactly where I was at the time of the blood moon as this episode was being filmed. So to have the callback of the blood moon on this episode tonight was quite powerful for me. Wow. Now, I don't know if you're joking now or was there an actual blood moon? Yes, of course there is a blood moon. Every season there's a blood moon. Truly, every year there is a blood moon. All the full moons have different names. Right now we're in the pink moon.

I don't know if you know that, but tonight, April 1st, April Fool's Day is the pink moon. You're joking. You're joking. You're joking. Fact check me. I'm sorry. Double check. This is like the press El Presente. I just don't get it. Interrupting our show for his dumb speech. Then none of us tuned in to. Sorry, I said it. Is there a, yeah. We're going to watch it later. Astronomical. Is there a sign? Astronomical. Is there a sign? Astrology. Astrology. Astrology. astrology sign that is best characterized for like survivor winners. Has anyone looked at the winners? Okay.

No, I think you're how you happen to be Virgo? Somebody does know that. I feel like that that's been done is out there. How did Scorpio do on the list? Not great. It's not Scorpio. I think if I heard it, I think I would know. But there is one that has the most survivor winners.

It's definitely Virgo's guys. I don't think it is. I don't think it is. Sam? Yes. Okay. Sam's going to work on that. It'll be a million times in the comments.

What else do we want to talk about? The show, maybe? Well, yeah. So both of you know Colby. Yep. From your time. We saw him have a very sad goodbye. I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. I. That he was sad? That it was a sad moment for that. Colby being sad because on Heroes versus Villains, I said, look, people don't change. Do they? Do people change?

I mean, no. On Survivor, typically, they tend to say, we've heard a lot about coach saying he's an honorable guy who plays with integrity and morality, but we saw him rip the key out from under Ozzy's poor little bloody hands. It's like, nope, you're not going to change. You can say whatever you want to say. But Colby on Heroes vs. Villains was sad. I'm sorry.

He was. He was checked down. But his message tonight was, hey, find the joy, everybody, find the joy. I mean, I think I said this on a previous podcast. I do think in the earlier episodes, I did think he was having a little bit more fun. I think he took it too seriously on the previous seasons. Okay. We'll give him that.

Because there's so much pressure and weight on his shoulders. I think he was felt a little more free. Yeah. Do you wish that he would have stayed and coach would have gotten voted out? It's a toss-up. I like coach. I like Colby, but I think I'm more aligned with Colby. Colby just historically speaking.

So I would have loved to see Colby stay. Sticking together again. He was playing safe. Colby was playing very safe. I think he was not playing in a way. Hopefully that would just get him further in the game. I think it could have made a little bit more aggressive moves if that was saying. Colby,

I feel like that part of his story was that the last time he played, as James famously called him Superman in a fat suit. And I feel like that part of his story, part of the redemption he was chasing was. Hey, this time, I'm going in the challenges and I'm going full tilt. Yeah. And we saw him really, really a couple of other than the challenges was like killing himself. Actually, yes.

And I think ultimately, like he injured himself, maybe going to pushing too hard, too full tilt in the challenges. Yeah. Well, when you're playing Survivor, the challenges are only a small portion of the game. Now. Majority is the social game, really. But we did see when I was with you in L.A., Colby bashed his head.

And he could not move. Yeah. He was frozen in time. For like multiple moments. So he really got beat up. Maybe he was playing concussed the whole time. Honestly, probably. But I will say, I don't know if you remember this.

It was one of them more iconic scenes from Heroes vs. villains where Colby is playing the Water Challenge with his brother, Reed. Yeah. Damn it, Reed. Read. Which only. Yeah. I think you had this, was it the same challenge that you won in Mike Renisia? Yes.

Yes. No, in Cook Island. With my dad. Yeah, with your dad. Yeah. Mike Shallow here tonight. Yeah, I saw your dad. That's great.

But Jerry Manthy famously won it in Heroes versus Villains. I don't remember that. A woman who should be represented on season 50. Sure. Yes. We're all missing out not having Jerry on the shop. There's a lot of talk about the women's stuff on season 50. There sure is.

Is there anything you'd like to say about that? I would just say it's an interesting conversation being brought up. I love that I am not at the helm of this conversation. That's really nice that other women are speaking up about their experience and recognizing some sort of bias that, you know, the women have been maybe shown less. There's been less airtime for the women than we've seen for the men this season. And I think it'll be interesting to see how this conversation unfolds. It was interesting to see two very strong. strong women go out tonight.

Right. And then one gimp man. Oh, geez. Oh, Jesus. Sorry. It just is the truth. Facts are fact. You know, also, in Heroes versus Villains, that this is not the first time that Colby has done

this challenge, that you were part of the, they did the five heroes versus the, remember the five heroes versus the five villains in Heroes versus Villains? Yes. I thought we could take this one. Oh, yes. Yeah. I was ready for Serreta. to win this challenge.

Sadly, no. Yeah. Now, these were all of your friends at that last tribal council of coach, Surrey, and Colby. Yes. Yeah. You should have been there in spirit. I was there in spirit. I was there in spirit.

My spirit body astral projected from the blood moon. Do you mind? Do you want to come in? If we have Andrea to ask the mic. Yeah. Step into our office. Ladies gentlemen, Andrea Belke is here. Belke is here.

Belke is in that house. Yeah. Yeah. Stop me. We're going to spice this podcast a little bit. Andrea, how are you? I'm good. Wait, another strong woman from the Survivor franchise.

And we do let her talk. Yeah, we'll let you talk. I mean, what are you talking about? Sorry, I have to go because there's only one woman allowed. No, that's not a rule. That's not a rule. We said two women were allowed. Yeah, totally.

Please don't get it twisted. So we're talking about, have you got it? Survivor? Yeah. I can see it. Yeah. I have seen it. I'm enjoying 50.

This is amazing. You know, Andrea just did a big event. And Milwaukee. Yeah, yeah. With coach. And he performed. He played with Ben Katzman and DJ Jerry Manty. The Dragons with a Z are back.

Yeah, the Dragons are back. They're like on a tour right now, slaying across America, giving them free promo right now. Yeah, there we go. Do you think that coach should continue his job as a rock star or keep trying to win Survivor? I think both. Why not? No, I mean, I actually, that was the person I've met Coach.

I love him. I'm kind of obsessed with him. I know that, like, some people, he can be polarizing. What do you love most about it? Oh, I just think he's, I don't know, he's just such a character. He's actually so sweet, too. I don't know. I got to see a sweet side of him.

I got to drive him from Milwaukee all the way to Chicago. Oh, my God. And I got to ask him all the stories about. the cannibals and the Amazon and you don't wear if they're true or not. Yeah, like when I would pry a little bit, I would go, wait, tell me the moment. And I was being sincere,

I was like, this is crazy. Because I'm being earnest. I believe people, when they tell me stories. Like, what's the moment when you got off the kayak or canoe and then you saw the cannibals? And he was like,

I can't talk about that right now. It was like with Dee and Emily. Yeah, I was like, wait, what? That's like the best part of the story. Morning. And like, how are, how are we not thought through that? Guys, can we talk about the Cold War between Aubrey and Genevieve? Well, Andrea, you know Aubrey so well.

Yeah. From your time together. What was your impression on how the Aubrey and Genevieve saga ended up playing out? Well, okay, I do kind of hate that it was, right now it's been their only storyline. Mm-hmm. Because there's got to be more of their games than that. Yeah. But I met Genevieve and I loved her, but I'm always going to be a, I'm, I'm loyal to

Aubrey. Yeah. We got it. So, yeah. You pick your hair. I mean, Genevie was playing too hard. I think, or that's how they edit it. She was like, I honestly don't think she was playing too hard.

I think that Genevie was playing almost perfect. And, you know, she had one person who was an enemy. And it was almost like this one scenario. She had like one hole in her game. And normally you would say that, okay, you have somebody that you're trying to get voted out. It just so happened that it totally. was a uno reverse card

where the one person she was trying to get out ended up on a tribe with all of the people who really wanted to work with that person and Genevievey was on the bottom. She found two idols

this season. That's what I was going to say. She found two idols and she could have used neither of them. So now, obviously it can't be returned to her because she's voted out

so they keep the idols. Right. Oh, so they keep it. Yeah, they don't, or if they get voted out with it and it won't go anywhere. And it's great for Aubrey. You know, what a great night

It must have been for Aubrey To get her tormentor taken out in this way It must have been just absolutely amazing And you dream of that But it sucks for Genevieve Have you guys had someone out there That was like your Genevieve to your Aubrey Like you just like couldn't get on the same page

You're like nemesies Yeah I mean for me it was this guy robbed from South Africa And Australia versus the world But he only only like lasted one day. It didn't go well for him. Sorry, Rob. I had, on my season, it was Silas.

We had the merge. It was only for like three or four days, but still, we just did not see eye to eye. And we both couldn't exist in the game together. So one of us had to go. Yeah. I wouldn't really say I had that really in any of, maybe, maybe with, uh, Raiders. I was to say maybe Jam Jam Jam.

Oh, no. Where is Jam? Jam Jiam. Didn't even show up to. tonight because of this guy. He was supposed to be, he was, he was supposed to be here. Until I called him. He was supposed to be here.

You scared him. I don't look. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Listen, this is Ron Clark's castle. Yes, it is. This is the longest I've ever been able to stay in a castle. So this is very nice for me.

You're welcome. Yeah. Yeah. About you, Andrea? I mean, nobody that I was like, you know, Malcolm, maybe. But like, that's a good example. It was like, he just kept going. We will look each other in the eyes with my love, let's actually work together and he'd be nodding.

And I was like, he doesn't want to. Right. And so, yeah. I mean, but I love the guy. He's the best. I felt like I was so old school where, like, my alliance was always versus the other alliance. But, like, they would never work with me. I have the most votes against me in the history of Survivor.

No way. How many votes to fame? You heard it. Yeah. Where's Robbts Backchacker? He's here. Yeah. Yeah.

Robes is here? No, no. Broaps is here? Backchack. Because he asked me how many boats. I'm not, I don't know how many boats, but it's the moan. Oh, yeah. A couple hundred.

Yeah. A couple hundred. I'm loving the survivor of fact checkers these days where they're breaking down the amount of confessionals. Yeah. Men have had versus have women. Yes. Survivors of sport. There's like analysts now and they're commentators.

Because I noticed today, Tiffany's been invisible. And then today. But then today. No, she had like nine confessions tonight. Blow her up. Yeah. I mean, obviously that episode. episode was locked and loaded. Do the editors ever, like, tamper with edits?

I'm a hundred percent. You see that because I feel like they don't. Absolutely. Like, a show is, yes, mostly edited. However, if something needs to be changed and there's a PR nightmare happening, they will go back in, they will open up the edit. They have thousands of hours worth of footage. You guys know, they are filming us morning tonight, 24 hours a day. They can make whatever storylines they want to make. So they could hear the discourse about... They could hear the fans.

Yeah. They could hear people saying, like, we need to see more women. They could go back, open it up, and then change the edit. 100% they can do that. Do you think they can go back and re-edit season 40? They really should go back and re-edit season 40. They should stop the merge where it was the swap, where we had to swap, and I was on a team with everyone who had to play game in the line. Take up the tokens, maybe.

Take up the third tokens. We'll be back into the game, and then we got a shot. Season 40 was crazy and then it launched the pandemic. I thank you. They should definitely read it that. Do you feel like that this episode this week, that they added more to it, that they gave Tiffany more confessionals this week?

I have no idea. I don't know. Yeah, I just, I noticed it. And I was like, I wonder if they would do that. I truly hope they are listening because Survivor has. No. Survivor has. We have what we do it on the stage.

Sorry. Yeah. We have an audience. A lot of people. I've never done a podcast with an audience. Rob typically has live events of thousands of people watching him podcasts. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

We turned into a podcast. Clearly, I'm not as big a fan of Rob. Did you get Rob's book yet? I'm Rob's number one fan. I've been to a lot of the live shows. I mentioned three to four times in here just so you know. I don't think Ethan's been to one since pre-CO. Tell us about your book, Rob.

No. Yeah. Listen, it's not about me. What can we expect? But the book is about Survivor and that Rob isabook.com. But listen, I'm with legends right now. We can read about them later. I mean, it's hard to write a book.

You wrote a book? How long did it take you out? Someone asked me today if I wrote my book in one sitting. Yes. Wow. That's not how brains work. Yeah. It took me a solid two years to write my book.

Yeah. How long did it take you? About a year. Wow. But this is 20 years of... Yeah, 25. I'm not five. I'm not five.

Yeah. Should we write a book? Would you call it with you? Would you call it an obsession? Do you have a lot? Hold on. We can't have two guys. We can't have two conversations.

Sorry. I got to be, look. I watched Ron Clark today. And Ron Clark was really like the kids like, excuse me, excuse me, we're not talking here.

We need two points. Okay, I'm curious. Is your book due to your obsession with Survivor? Yes. Or is it like,

I am the ultimate voice on Survivor. I know everything there is to know. Sure. Like what is this? Yeah. Critic Can it be both? You're obsessed. Excessed and the voice.

This is why you have such a radical fan base. I think my obsession got me to this point. But I also felt like it's the 25th year anniversary of the show, 26 even now. Yeah. And like I feel like the story of the show from where it was like a phenomenon in the early days to where it is in the new era really hasn't ever been told. in one way and and I felt like that this was a great time to do that. Yeah. I have all these thoughts from doing the podcast for all these years.

Why not? Are the thoughts in here? Why not? The thoughts are in here. Yeah. And Harvard was a trendsetter. Yeah. With her amazing book.

Blazing trails. Yeah. And he said, why not? I mean, I have to admit tonight at the Ron Clark Academy, like, I feel like this was old school survivor excitement over Survivor. I haven't been to an event where people got this excited about us as a unit. People are frenzied. Hey, there's my dad.

Yes. Hey, Marbady's dad. Shout out. This is the big brother house. Mike Shallow has been on driver twice. Stay hundred at Alma. Did you need a shout out? To Amma, my daughter.

She's watching at home. She's watching this podcast. My girl better be a man. Yeah. Well, she can watch it tomorrow. It's on YouTube. Sure, sure. Andrea, have you still been loving season 15?

I have. Yeah, I mean, I think I agree with a lot of the fans. I like less gimmicks, but we just, we have to deal with what is happening. Yeah. But I think it's super fun. I love the old school players. Like, it's been really cool to watch Coach and Colby and Surrey. And I think it's been a blast and also hilarious.

Yeah. I love watching Surrey and Rizzo have their moments. Yes. It's really cute. It is cute. Yeah. Now, Ozzy, Surrey and Rizzer are an Unbreakable Alliance. Yeah, he's having a good...

Good run. Ozzie's doing well. Yeah. Could you ever have imagined this Ozzy and Surrey close friendship from where you were with them in Micronesia? No, no, no, because Ozzy is when a man, it's like a man scorned. Do not. He will ablaze your house. Yeah.

He will burn you alive inside of your house. He was very much sort of a man set on vengeance and... retaliation at that time. So I think this does, this season is showing that I did say that people can't change, but I will say that I think Ozzy has evolved. Yeah. You know, my takeaway on Ozzy of like watching him and even in person, like getting to talk to him a little bit, like I think he really just wants to like he wants hope.

He wants to believe in something. And when he puts his faith in it and then that that faith is betrayed, like he's really like he's really upset. Yeah, very upset, deeply. He'll ask you to do an interpretive dance. Yes. And that kind of upset. But I love seeing him and Sri work together because Surrey is also deeply loyal. So I see the two of them going all the way to the end unless some kind of something happens.

Well, I do think for Surrey, it's a really smart alignment to if you're Surrey and you sit in the end with Ozzie and Rizzo especially. Yeah. Like she gets it with anybody. But that's a really good three, I think, for her to sit with. You just see Syria at the end. Do you think Ozzy would take

Surrey to the end though? Yes. Oh, he was. Yes. He's deeply loyal. And I don't think anybody would, people love Rizzo,

but they wouldn't vote for him. Correct. Rizzo will not take Sari to the end. She needs to cut him. You know, you mentioned Malcolm. You played with Malcolm who was somebody who came in

who nobody had ever seen before. He also played with, now, you know who Zique was, but other people didn't and Michaela, too. So what's that like to play with somebody that you have never seen

play Survivors? Well, Malcolm, I remember that was my second season and he shows up. Yeah. And I was like, he's hot. Like, I just remember that was my boy crazy era. But he was like not picking up what I was putting out. Like, he was like not into it. Out of touch.

But I just remember, like, I really liked him. I was like, oh, he's, he kind of felt like a brother to me after time. But we had no idea like what his previous game was. And so he played it really well. He kind of played a little bit like a bimbo. Like he was just kind of like a bimbo. Like, who's gay? Yeah.

Malcolm's gay. I think that we've just determined it tonight. Wait, what? That Malcolm's gay? This is news. What? He wasn't into you, but he... Oh, is he...

He's a bimbo? He's getting married, like, this weekend. You're married... Someone should tell his wife. I haven't talked to him in a while. I was just saying... At the Long Clerk Academy. No, I think he's...

I think he's actually getting married. Breaking news. But yeah, congratulations. I haven't talked to him in a while, but I just think he's like the coolest. Yeah. I just remember he played like very aloof, like you didn't know what was going on. And meanwhile, after a little bit, we figured out, oh, this guy's like, he's so smart. Yeah.

And he's a very dangerous player. He's someone that I am so bummed. We're not seeing him again. I don't know why he's not there either. It's crazy. I think he's one of the best players. Anyone from your era making on? Cool, game changers.

Yes. Aubrey Street and Ozkey. But nobody from the 20s, really. Other than coach and Ozzy or return the players. Yeah. Yeah. But Ethan, are you really hoping that the old school players get their act together? Because it seems like that they're set up really well.

And I'm just thinking of you because I'm thinking of the t-shirt sales of the old school Survivor T-shirt. Like, it could really like come back. Yeah, we have the Survivor Lover shirt. But think of the back catalog, the old school survivor shirt. The only thing I was hoping. hoping on season 50, that would be an old school, new school divide. So then I can monetize season 50.

I think you can still monetize it. There's a lot of people here wearing all the old school shirts here. Yeah. No one wears new school. No, they know. Or new era, right? I don't see any new era. Nobody's really promoting that.

So maybe just only old school shirts from now on. Yeah. And also, have you been working out? Because you're looking for. Oh, wow. Hey, hey, now. I have been working out. Thank you.

I can tell. I noticed. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So. So would you say that the old school has better merch than the new school? Old school definitely has better merch.

I think just people feel more loyal and devoted to the old school because Survivor fans have been watching the show for many, many years, even decades. And they're like, yes, they feel sort of like deeply committed to old school players. It's kind of this nostalgia of times gone by. Yeah. And they want to showcase that to the world. I mean, the character's now. are probably, you put them on an old school, back in like the early 2000s, we'd probably respond to them the way they're responding to us, right?

Yeah. They have the staying power. Yes. Oh, oh. Okay. Whoa. Okay. Oh, take my spot.

I want to take my spot. No, take my spot. Okay. All right. I'm going to see you again. We're going to see poverty again soon. When are you going to see poverty? In a couple of weeks.

We'll have to, well, we'll have some of us. Yeah. That's a T. That's a tease. Yes. I've already done my time. Yes. Parvary.

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Okay. All right. We have here with us the winner of Survivor 42, Marianne Okic. Marianne, you know, this was a big Jonathan episode tonight. It was. Yes. And I noticed that this was so interesting to me because here's Jonathan again at a split tribal council. Not just any split tribal council, a split tribal council with all women. And here he is again. And the women never, when the women get. split with Jonathan. He had immunity, I believe, in yours, right? Yes, he did. But the women never say, hey, you know what? There's four women. Let's vote out Jonathan. They don't say that. They love him. And they decide, hey, which, which other pair of the women do we need to target?

And Jonathan's the swing vote. And what do you think about the decision Jonathan made tonight? Oh, my goodness. You see, the thing that I think about Jonathan's decision, as much as I hate it, because I am the biggest member of the commilitary, is that I feel as if, the two sides that he was kind of fighting with were the old era and the new era. So it was like, okay, do I go, do I vote out, why am I forgetting names right now? Do I go and vote out Chrissy? And then I come back with people and they know that I'm dead to them. They know I can win immunity challenges and they don't want to work with me. Or do I go vote out with someone in the new era?

Maybe they're mad at me a couple of times, but I know that there's flexibility to work in the future with them. So I think thinking at how people play and how, for a lack of better term, I don't say vindictive, but how it's like very, I don't forgive, I don't forget that some of the alliance that he's working with this, I do think that for Jonathan's position, it might have been the best one for the game, even though I hate to say it so, so much.

Yeah, yeah. He was in a tough spot overall because he was, I feel like both sides were saying, and there are lots of people who are waiting to find out what happens at this tribe, but it doesn't affect just us. Jonathan. I know. I know. And that's the hard thing. And especially like, I feel like with both sides.

It was like, we're going to kill you by the way, if you don't go with us. And so you're hearing from both sides. We're actually going to kill you, kill everyone that you love, kill your family. So it's like, who do you think has the ammo that's going to kill you? And I guess he thought that, you know, that that Chrissy side and the coach that he worked with and when Joe was going to be the side that had that ability to kill him the most. I think he went with the side that he had the better relationships with I know Chrissy did a really great job of convincing him also not to say it wasn't his decision but I thought she made a lot of great arguments. Andrea, what do you think about Jonathan's decision? Yeah, I mean, it really comes down to he had two options, but it's like who are you like

staring in the eyes and who are you feeling like they have my back? I mean, it really is a social game. So it's honestly like just like his gut feeling and you could tell he was so torn. Every time he was on the screen, I was like, that man is so stressed. You know, Ethan, you have come out with as we have talked about many different t-shirts over the years. What do you think about Jonathan's wardrobe? Because it's so unique. Yeah. I mean, I'm a fan.

You know, it is unique. It's, I wish I could rock something like that. Like on the rack, I would say, no way. But then on him, it just looks so good, you know? I mean, it's amazing that he has like. We can't forget about Ozzy's the rug that he's wearing. Yes. dream what? It's a technical

Technicolor dreamticoat. Joseph and Ozzy and the amazing technical a dream coat. Yeah. Potifar, yes. But Marian, do you have any insight into Jonathan's like survivor attire? Yes, I do. Yes. Jonathan, I want to say this. I'm saying this with love, but you are so cold on 42 with all of your

sewed up shirts. I come and I see you having a t-shirt that has a whole rip on it. Jonathan, please. Where's the text shirts? Where's the longsies? I'm telling this. I'm saying this with love. I don't want you to get cold. So I'm just wondering about, you know, we should have gotten some more hearty clothes. And I say this, you see the two hearts, I'm not saying it out of meanness. But would you run out of the money because you don't get cold. That was the biggest cheer. That was the biggest cheer of the night when that one heck was out.

I know. One exposed nipple. It's crazy to me because I played so long. I played so long ago, same as you guys. Like, they're all in sweaters. Like today for some reason, I was like, clocking it more. I'm like, oh my gosh. There's so many clothes on jackets just to give away, Willie, Dillies. I hear that they got two jackets this season. It's like, wow. They can gift clothes.

We are like two t-shirts. I was in the shortest shorts, a tank top and like a little bit of a plaid thing. And little comment. Thanks, Tyler Perry. He's here. He's in Atlanta. He might be here tonight. He was, yeah.

Tom. Yeah. And Joe's here. that maybe he's Joe's guest. Oh, interesting. Is Zach Brown here? No sign of Zach Brown yet. Anyone seen Mr. Beast?

I have not seen Mr. Beast. I've seen people from the Mr. Beast games. They're floating around. And they're great. All right. So do you think that Jonathan, he's talked about how he's playing a different game this time, do you see a different Jonathan? I do.

Yes. And it takes me back to the part of the episode where he is, going and I can't remember who he's talking to, but he's on the hammock. I think it's with Camilla. And then he looks at Camilla and says, oh, it's Chrissy. And then immediately after he says, but no, no, no, but what do you think? What are you thinking about it first? So I could see him like thinking, this is what I want the plan to do.

This is what I'm saying to her. But then you're like, wait, wait, no, I need to go and I need to hear what people are saying. I can't just tell them the plan. And then after he said, so what do you think? Like, what do you think is best? And then he lets Camilla say, oh, I think Chrissy is good. And he's like, okay, great, great, we're good. So it really felt like, you know, he was going.

He said the name, then the spirit of Boston Rock sucked him back, you know, and he's looking there, making fire. And then Boston Rob is like, don't you ever, ever tell someone what to do? You let them decide. And he goes suck back to the president. And then he's like, no, no, no, no. But what do you think? And I really, you know, being able to instantly correct is such a talent, especially when

you put your foot in the mouth of it. And I think he did it splendidly. Yeah. Tea Bird is going to come. T-Bird, you can take my spot. No, T-Bird can take my spot. Oh, you just got here. Ethan, we'll let you go in a minute, but you should say hi with T-Bird.

Okay, I have a reunion with T-Bird. Okay. Andrea, thank you so much. Okay, we'll see you later. Okay? All right. Here with us, our great friend. What did the delight it's been the last two days to catch up with T-Bird in person

for the first time? I haven't seen T-Bird in person for over 20 years. Yes. And here she is now With her survivor Africa Great friend Ethan's on Shebrae make sure you're talking into the microphone Project

Yeah Send you're like a flight attendant Speaking to everyone on the loud speaker Okay okay This event has been so crazy Rob you and I spend so much time together Over our Zoom calls But to be here with you right here

I can touch you I've heard that this is probably like the experience for some of the Survivor 50 players. You spend so much time on Zoom, but then you're actually together in person, and it's different. It is different. But there are a lot of people like,

I just met Andrea. I met Parvigian night. I just want to make sure that we're hearing you. Yeah, okay. And anyway, I've never met them before, but I feel like I know them. I've met Marianne. Of course, Ethan and I spent some time together.

Yeah, 39 days. Well, we didn't spend any time together on the beach because, well, there was no beach. No beach. No beach. But to actually meet them in person, it's really, really a neat thing. And tonight, I think I heard you mentioned, Tyler Perry was in the house. I said that, but I don't think that was actually true.

Yeah, it was true. It was true? I got a picture of it. So Rob, so Rob. Yeah. I saw him and I said to Glenn. I said, Glenn, that's Tyler Perry. And he's like, no, it's not.

Well, he sat down. He was sitting with Joe, really off to the side. Yes. And I kept looking back because I thought, I've got to get a Tyler Perry. I mean, he's Tyler Perry. Anyway, yes, I went back there and got a picture. And Tyler Perry took my phone and took the picture. Wow.

It was a moment. Wow. That was the blood moon, his idea. Did he come up with that? Now, I don't know if he had any input in this season or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Did he? Now, I haven't heard that either. I don't know.

I don't know. I've never met Tyler Perry. Yes. Well, he was back there tonight. Are you going to Tiber now? Are you the you will be cast in one of Tyler Perry's? And did you get his information for talking with Tiber? No, Rob, you know, I have been trying to get Tyler Perry on talking with Tiberg.

And this was your chance. Hey, look, I don't think he wanted to be bothered, but Joe was back there with him. And somebody told me that Joe is actually on one of the... Yeah, he's going to be on a new Tyler Perry show on Netflix. Okay. That's impressive. Would you rather be in a... Tyler Perry show or a Mike White show?

That's a question, right? So good. So good. Is a true, like, now I feel like that's a challenge. Should I go? Who do I go in? Who do I go with? Who do I go with? But I have to say, I would have to go with my colleague, Mike White. Okay.

All right. Yeah. I feel like I owe it to Mike White first. I think you'll. Tyler Perry and I have never, we don't have that relationship. Yeah. So what do you all think about Atlanta? This is home for me. This is good for y'all. Yes. Have you ever been to Antigua Pizza?

I have not. Teabert, when I was younger, I thought they used to call it the dirty South. But do they still say that and is that offensive? I don't think I've heard that at all. Have you heard that? Oh, I think I'm too young for that. Too young for that, unfortunately. I haven't heard it.

I may have been too young for that, too. I haven't heard it. Yeah. And I'm not young. No. Maybe there was Portia Williams that said that to me. Maybe. Maybe.

And I repeat things and I don't know what they mean. So, Rob, everybody here tonight, you've already met. Right? Not just, I know you've talked to them in interviews, but have you? I'm trying to think. Is there a survivor person here that I've never met? I don't think so. So you met him off.

Very good. Do you have a survivor dream meet? Is there anyone you have? You would dream of meeting. Greg and Colleen would be my body last. Pauline would be great. Yeah. That would be, you probably never even met them, right?

I've never met either of them. No, you're right. They were, I mean, from that they were, like, Survivor was the biggest thing ever, and they were like, you know what, we're out. That they were. Yeah. Do you think they wish they got back in a little bit? I heard that Greg was in the mix for Survivor 50s.

No way. I heard they called him. Come back to us, buddy. Come back. Yeah. Right, that would be incredible. I believe they called them a couple times. I think, Colleen, no, it would never come back.

I don't know. Oh, you got to come back. For Sue Hawk. Yeah. I'm in for Sue. She has a chance. Well, I've met her. I have that too.

She played on All-Stars. The first All-Stars. The original All-Stars. Yes. If you'd like that. I played with her for 12 days, which I think might have been longer than Colby was in Survivor 50.

No. Was 13? 13? 13? Okay. So, which is halfway through the game. I feel like, Ethan, tell me that if you think this.

I feel like that they made it like in Survivor All-Stars. I feel like if they made it too much, I was there only a little bit of time, but, like, the people on the start of 50, I feel like they've been like, this is like, oh my God, this is the whole season. Yeah. And it's pretty much the same.

It is the same amount of time. But that's inflation. Yeah, what did really? I think they did travel. Yes. Oh, okay. Hold on. Hold on.

We have the man of the hour is here. Man of the hour. Okay. Yeah. You want to, yeah. Yes. Ron, they voted me out for you. Yes.

They voted me out of the podcast for you. All right. Okay. Yeah, Ron, I'm not sure we could see. We see you up there. Yeah. You have a second to sit? Sure.

Okay. We've been talking about the incredible event tonight and everything that you had for the survivors. Just so incredible. What's your reaction to this turnout tonight? It's beautiful. I feel like as survivors, we have an obligation to the community because we got the honor to play. So many people want to play who didn't get the opportunity. So I wanted to make sure that we have events to give them.

Beck. And you can't see it in the video, but there's games. There's, I mean, the, the decoration, the art design here is beautiful to begin with, but there's so much survivor stuff here also. There's so much, uh, excitement. Yes, it's just, it's just, absolutely just, uh, incredible. And I can go on and on on, but I'd be remiss to not ask you about the survivor of it all tonight. And you got to play with Aubrey. You got to see, this was her big night tonight. where she turned the tables on Genevieve. What do you think Aubrey is feeling? One thing you have to understand is that Aubrey is a fighter.

I made a big sweatshirt. When I found out she was cast, I put her face on it. And I said, Aubrey has to win. I was on edge of extinction with her. She is someone who, thank you, Marianne. She is someone who is such a fighter, such a hard player. She is someone who truly wants to get it. We were on edge of extinction.

She outran Joe Anglam. She outran Chris Underwood. She is a beast. So I wanted her to win. So I love Genevieve, but I was like, Genevieve got to go. Because Genevieve is coming from my girl. And you come from my girl, you got to go. So when Genevieve went out, I was like, let's go.

Because I need Aubrey to win. It's been just such a nice turnaround for Aubrey in terms of where it really seems like she was low. She didn't even watch season 39, 40, 41. Yes. She was so low. she couldn't watch. So could I tell you that from what Aubrey had said in her preseason interviews was one of the things that turned her around on coming back to Survivor was when Tiberd reached out to her

to talk on the podcast. Yeah, we, I was lucky. So Genevieve, this is where you can blame. Sorry, Genevieve. So we had her on talking with Tiberd and we were talking about season 50 and she acted like, Rob, didn't she act like she didn't have any interest in going back again? and I think it kind of got her thinking about it. So to have her out there,

she's one of the ones I'm definitely pulling for. I love her. Love her. What have you thought about Rick so far in season 15? Well, you know, Rip, by the way, Edge of Extinction I hear on a rewatch, people have really said, wow, incredible. No, I am an Edge of Extinction Defender.

It's one of my favorite seasons to watch. So, like, heard it from what the goat's mouth? And in fitting, like, poetry, just like Chris Underwood, it just needs a second chance from you. But seriously, if you do watch all of the new era and you go back and watch Edge of Extinction, it hits different. Yeah. So, but Rick Devons, so he did yell at me. He called me a villain on national television.

It was an epic moment that people stopped me in the mall. People stop me everywhere to bring up this moment. But I'm pulling for Rick. You know, he's a gamer. He's an idol finder. I will tell you this. When I was on day 31 and I was so exhausted, I couldn't even walk anymore. He's running, running through trees.

And I'm like, how is he running through the forest? He was still idle hunting so hard. So you know what? You got to give it up to him. He's a hard player. Gotta recognize. Did you like the twists that they did tonight with the three tribal councils? Okay, so I knew eventually three tribals would happen because there's too many people.

I know I like watching tribal council. It's good TV. so I was okay with it. It was all right. I kind of was hoping, and I know this may sound crazy. I was looking for 15 people sitting at tribal. I wanted them all to be defending and talking about who should go home from each tribe. I thought that could have been an interesting element.

Yeah, that would have been really excited to see the three, and have three different votes, but everybody's at tribal council. Three votes. Yeah. You were talking about tonight that you had been getting a bunch of tax from, your husband Lloyd, who Camilla is his favorite player. And ultimately, we saw her go out. How are you feeling about Camilla being out of the game? You know, Camilla, Chrissy should have gone.

Chrissy got to go. You got to go, Chrissy. I'm so sorry. Love you. But Lloyd has sent me tons of texts. Camilla is his favorite player. These are my parents in North Carolina taking care of them tonight because I couldn't be there. But Camilla is his favorite player.

I love her. She's strategic. She's been missing from the edit. And it's wrong because she's such great TV. So he is devastated. I've gotten a whole host of text. And I'm upset too. Yeah.

I mean, it really is disappointed to say, I know you're such a big Camilla fan also. And I was excited because I felt like last week, I felt like she was on the rise. But can I tell you, she was here tonight. Yeah.

Usually, if you get voted out, you don't want to be watching it in a crowd with 900 people. She was there. I love her. I will fight to the end with Camilla. Incredible individual. Yeah. What do you think about Camilla ultimately being taken from us?

You know, as a pride member, proud member of the Camilla Terry, it was so devastating to see her go. I thought, oh, my goodness, she's going to rise from the ashes. She just had this beautiful flip. She's ready to go in. It just felt like she was enough so quickly. And then I'm like, well, you know what? I still have my other Canadian mother quake queen Genevieve and this is a Oh yeah this was a real recognition of the Canadians I want to say you I have enough love in

my heart for both girls for both women I apologize to have played together and I wish there was It was not a good night for Canada it was not a good night for Canada no Canada lost tonight unfortunately on the same swoop so as a Canadian I would say that I was a little bit sad but I am still happy for the players that are here and ready to play, but the Canadian party man might have to single Canada as I cry driving back to home. Very, very sad night for sure, for everybody, for Team Canada. For those who are wondering, in the challenges, we had obstacle courses in the gym. David's team actually won.

Yeah. David 48? David 48. Yeah. David who likes milk. He's huge. Yeah. So last year when we had our event here, when I announced him, he took his whole shirt off.

Oh. Like he is ripped big guy. Yeah. No doubt. I've met Jonathan. Jonathan was going to be here, but he couldn't make it at the last minute. Yes. Who do you think is bigger?

David or Jonathan? Well, from TV, it looks like Jonathan. Yeah. I think Jonathan is bigger than everybody. I think he's, yeah. I think he out. Like, like Christian said, Jonathan is huge. Yeah.

Christian. Yes. I love Christian. Christian and Devons. That is a fantastic duo. Yeah. I'm enjoying it. Are you liking them?

Okay. I love Christian. Together. And it's like Christian is a wolf. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Christian, I think I at this point in the season would have recognized, oh, he's playing like, oh, what's going on? He is playing hard. And I would have recognized this.

I hope others have as well. Yeah. Who are some of your other favorites? that are still in the game for 50 that we haven't talked about. History is great. Oh, yeah, of course. I love to read. Ozzy's the nicest human I've ever met.

It seems like you and Ozzie have like a really special relationship. He came on a tour of our school. I showed him the kids. He watched our classes. And he wept. And I just held him in my arms as he wept. He said, I wish I'd had a school like this. And then he went.

He's on a foundation board now. Yeah. He got a $10,000 donation for our school, which I'm grateful for. We're nonprofit. We work for donations. But I'm pulling for Ozzy. Yeah. I want a Q to win. I love Q. I make Q's so great.

Yeah. Yeah. You said during the introductions that Q should have won Survivor 46. I wish he had won Survivor 46. Yeah. Could have been a worthy winner. I'm not a fan of Risgod. Yes.

I'm not a fan. Okay. You know, he's got to go. I mean, Risgod is just, he's too immature. And I don't like his gameplay. I think it's very immature gameplay. I think he has to go. I don't like him aligning with people like Surrey.

I don't think he's worthy of that. He's too novice. He's too immature. He needs to be taught a lesson. Yeah. I feel like that you don't like a showboat. No, it's like you're trying, you're playing for the camera.

And I'm not a fan of that. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. But Riz Scott is a human. I will tell you this. He comes across this very, arrogant on air. He curses too much on the show.

In person, he is humble. He's genuine. He's nice. I loved him today. I spent the whole day with him. I was like, you are an incredible guy. On the show, your show button for the camera is too much, not a fan. Yeah.

Okay. That's, look, that's a, uh, a hot take. Yeah. Is it a hot take? Um, you know, I think it's a hot take. I think everyone's taking. it. Everyone at home is thinking it. I'll tell you. They're like, he's too mature.

It's too much. Everyone's thinking it. No one at home is going, Riz God. Who calls yourself a God? You're a kid. You're calling yourself a God. It's not cool. Yeah. What's your perspective? Because you actually played the game and you were

21, right? 23. 23. Yeah. I think that when you play the game of Survivor, especially when you're younger, I say I cost the ones without a prefrontal cortex. I think there's kind of this balance where it's like you, if you're playing when you're that young, you know the game, you love the game, you feel as if like you're a part of it as well. And I think when you're someone who is, and you have to say correctly, the man, the myth,

the legend, R, I, Z, G, O, D, Riz, God, baby. And you do so success. And you do so successfully in your first season and immediately are asked to go onto another season. It's kind of like, like, self-fulfilling thing where you believe you're good at the game. You've seen empirical value that you are good at the game. you get rewarded for being good at the game and it continues on. So I think that if that confidence is what gives you a chance to get the million, then you got to do what you got to do. And I know it sucks, but it's been working for him.

I will say this. When I introduced him tonight and I said, all right, everybody, spell it out with me. The entire crowd, 800 people, R-I-Z, G-O-D, they all spelled it out and cheered for this young man. Yeah. So I was surprised. Yeah. Ryan, well. wouldn't have called yourself Marianne the God.

Yeah. Marian would not take the God's name in vain. No, he has a vested in Tristan Meiser by the game. That's right. That's right. All right, Rob, I'm going to jump out, but I just want to say what Ron Clark has done. Incredible. Yeah.

I remember watching him during his season. You were dancing a lot and see your energy. And I thought, is he really like that? And he really is like that. And I don't know how you find the time in the day to do everything you do for this school, for the community. Whenever he pulls a bit together, he's in touch with all of us. I'm thinking, if I text him with something, he's right back.

But it's the community. You are so willing to come to anything. Rob Cisterina, for you to be here, this is a lot of effort. Marianne, you flew from Canada. Like we all are kind of doing this together for the fans. That's why I love it. Ron, it's always going to give everybody else credit, but you are amazing. And what you've done.

I'm here too. But I live here. It's amazing. But this is, I think, the biggest survivor event that I've been part of. Maybe since like the 10-year survivor reunion that they did in 2010. This amount of survivors that were here from all over, from all of the eras. Like, Harvard is here. That's pretty cool.

It speaks volumes of you. But you know, I want to ask you all, there's one person who is here that it's epic. Who is the person that is here who in my brain, I'm thinking this is an epic get? Tyler Perry? Tyler Perry. That's not the epic gift. Okay. Sean Rector?

Oh, yes. All right. Sean Rector is one of them. Yes. Because Sean does not do anything like this. There's one other. Is it your favorite player? My favorite player ever.

Ryman. They have Ryman, who you would know is Spencer Bledso. They have Ryman here. He doesn't do crowds. He doesn't do events. He's my favorite player ever. Costa Rica, right? Yeah. Yeah. He came from Costa Rica to be here because I've always reached out to him because I'm a bit fascinated with him. I'm obsessed. I just, his gameplay. I love him. When I went through my whole survivor casting, I talked about him constantly. So he came here for a tour of the school and met the kids. Oh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any day now? Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be.

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Johnny Fairplay Has come this At your facility Oh my god What's going on I've been challenged by Rizzo For the Boca Raton Championship

Chamjee wrestling Cruzoid Championship I am finding him Right there You're gonna wrestle I am defending the championship The wrestling We are

I'm defending the belt I am here I'm not You're gonna wrestle I am wrestling Rizzo tonight right now. Right, right now.

You heard of her first. Johnny Fairplay is going to wrestle Risgaat. Your Brassel. Your Brassel. Have you had a wrestling match before? We've never had a wrestling match here. Unsanctioned. Unsanctioned.

Unsanction. Unsanction. Yes. But I I'm not authorized too, but I will. I am facing Riz God right now. The Riz God has been challenged on lots of people today. He challenged

Q earlier. I was I was here missing. I was here for it. So Q even spotted him

three points and they were playing to 11 Q1, 11 to 3. Yeah. From Survivor 49 and of course from the world

of feature film. You were a tall for I had to you so much to the night. Nate Morris here. Only Brooks has yelled at me

more than you yelled at me the other thing. See, Jeff Poops yelled at me so much. He yelled to me

all the time because I would I kept breaking rules unintentionally and he'd like you can't fucking do that. I was like,

oh, sorry. It got to the point where we had to have a mediator come in and mediate between Jeff Prox and me. Because I had been yelled at so much because, honestly, it was not trying to cheat. It's just, he just has a particular way. Yeah, he does. Are you, Marianne? Is that Mary Ann?

I know who you are, Nate. So wonderful to be here. I'm a big fan of yours. I'm a big fan of yours. In and out of the game. Absolutely. Nate, what did you make of the episode tonight? It was a big episode, and it goes to show you, I think that to Emily's point,

sometimes the best players don't win because you're at the mercy of the odds, and you're at the mercy of who's in your tribe when you go to five. Yeah, like, it was sad to see Genevieve go home so early because I think she's such a gamer. Yeah. And it's just like, she came from a girl. You got to go. Ron is team on. I see, I see.

I'm a Canadian. I am team Genevieve. Genevieve's great. But sometimes you get the bad shuffle and that's how it goes. Yeah. Rizzo has really, this last couple of weeks, much to Ron's chagrin, really come into his own and made a run. Are you surprised that he has been able to find a way through so far in season 409?

I'm actually not surprised because as much as he was targeted on my season, he had a good relationship with everybody. Yeah. And you can say what you want is he had no. Do you wish Rizgard was in Rizgod? He's very good with people. Nate, today he was lovely. I loved Rizzo today.

He was so genuine and nice. On TV, you see a different Rizzo. So the testimonials are much different, right? Because he's playing to an audience. He is of that generation where he has a YouTube channel and he does that. It's funny that Johnny Fairplay and Rizzo have connected here. Because I say the same thing about Johnny Fairplay. I love John Dalton.

I love the person like if he calls you on the phone. He's a great guy. Johnny Fairplay, I could like give or take. I said to him today, you are so funny until somebody puts a camera on you. You're one of the funniest people ever. And I feel like that there's a duality sometimes. You told him that? I did say that.

It's pretty ballsy that you told him. I sat beside him the whole show guy. He's in my ear constantly saying hilarious stuff. So funny. Poignant. And then the camera can. on and say, hey, everybody. I'm like, no, no, no, you're so much better.

If you could only at home, meet the person who's not on camera. Yeah, a great guy. Same with Rizzo. I love Rizzo today. Not on camera. In person, he's great. He's great. And when what you don't see in those episodes is all the stuff where he's just having

conversations. And he's a big family guy. And he talks about his brother and his parents. And he's very genuine. Yeah. When he's talking to producers, he sounds like a psychopath. Right. You know, Nate, something that came up last week was the idea of,

he hasn't seen his season play out. And as a viewer, it seemed like that the jury was not, and you were there, the jury wasn't necessarily loving what he was doing. Do you think that could be maybe a weakness where if he gets to the end again, he doesn't necessarily know that that's how he was being perceived in Survivor 40. Yeah, I think if Rizzo has a blind spot, it's exactly that. I think he is perceiving himself and he's not always putting himself in the other person's and saying, wait, they're not going to like it if I wave my idol around every tribal council.

Yeah. And indeed, they didn't. And I think he made it far, but I think he would have a really hard time winning our season for that reason. I think Rizzo thought, I killed it in season 49. He went into 50th thing and I killed it. Chip Probst asked me back. I killed it. And he's just doing the same thing he did in 49.

And it's only been nine days in between. So, like, he's already still in that mode. and hasn't had any, like, I think that one of the things that has helped him is that he doesn't have any scars because he hasn't even, like, stopped playing Survivor from the first time. But he's an icon.

Tonight, the entire crowd cheered with me. R-I-Z, which lets us know, he resonates with people. And this, I'll show my age, like, all my friends with kids, their favorite person on 49 or 50 is Rizzo. Yeah. Like, he speaks to a certain demographic.

He has a, he has a, demo. Yeah. Can we fit in Omer over here? It was such a bad night for the Canadians. Don't we need some more Canadian reputation. Okay. Well, Ron, I'm going to go watch and see the big wrestling

wrestling match. Ron, thank you so much for everything. Incredible. Everybody, you look up the Ron Clark Academy and see what Ron is doing here. Here, everybody slide down. Slide down. Yes. All right. Hello. Hello. Our great friend, Omer Zahir.

Just go away from this fine night. Yes. On a night where that really two Canadians were down. Oh, Canada. Our home on native lands. Oh, my God. Do you even know the national anthem?

Oh, Canada. Our home in native land. Yada yada yada yada. You know what I do. Let's see. Yada yada of those Canadian boots tonight. Yes. Yes.

And so it was the triple tribal council. Yeah, the blood moon. The blood moon. Did you know what a blood moon was? Did you know that the blood moon? I did actually know. You knew the mythology of it. Yes.

Did you feel like... Mary Ann, did you know what the blood moon was? I know the blood moon in the astrological sense. I knew the blood moon in the Zelda sense. And so I knew exactly what it was. But I do want to say that Jeff being like, oh, the best thing ever, a blood moon. I'm like, actually, it's the total solar eclipse, Jeff. But, you know, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. got married during a total solar eclipse. I did, yeah. So I might be biased, but I don't think I asked. Well, that was the first blood moon because nobody at your party was on Survivor 50s. You all got cut that night.

Wow. But did, so knowing the mythology of the blood moon, did it translate to a triple tribal council? The visual, absolutely. The visual absolutely did. But it's one of those things where, like, If the visual is there, you don't need to say it. Yeah. We asked Marianne earlier about if she thought Jonathan was playing a different game.

From your perspective, do you see a different Jonathan? I actually think that this is the Jonathan we saw more towards the end game of Survivor 42. You know, he has the capability to lie and deceive and have multiple alliances and play different angles, but he never had to do that until later in the game. And this is the side that I underestimated and is what helped send me home. So I think he's turning it on earlier than he did last time. Yes. I do feel like that he made the right decision?

For tonight, I absolutely think he made the right decision for his game. For sure. Yeah. What do you all think about Ceres' definition of old school survivor versus new school survivor? I think that. And I asked that with Nate, who I told, is a new school player, but I think played an old school game. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

I mean, the most successful new era players right now are playing. the old school game, but at the same time, I think that it's all an extension of the same thing, whereas you have to go at the pace of everybody, and that's true the first season, and also it is the true now. So I don't fully buy it's like one or the other.

Yeah. Well, I did jump ship with you, and I don't think that in season three, people would jump shipped when they see a better at. Kelly Goldsmith did. So you know, you know, that's old school. But I would argue, like, D. Dee played an old school game in her season

Oh, absolutely. Like, she was actually incredibly loyal. Yeah. Was she honest with Austin all the way? No, but mostly. Yeah. So I do think there's some shading to that because I don't think it's as cut and dry as. Yeah.

I don't think still it is. Like she was voting with her alliance. Yeah, that's right. Savannah played a very loyal game as well, too. Savannah played an incredibly loyal. Rizzo. You know, honestly, I don't think that we've really seen somebody who's one in the new school who has really been flipping. I agree.

A bunch of different alliances. Because Rachel played from the bottom. Gabe had played from the bottom. Like a lot of people who had to play from the bottom and less had to adjust. I think it's because everybody is so savvy and it is tall poppy syndrome. As soon as somebody does something that is on the radar,

they're cut. So it is natural selection. The one who's not doing that is probably going to succeed, but it will flip and go the other way at some point. You just have to have the hot potato. You can't do. Yeah. It's the musical chairs where you're like, you made the last food. Exactly. And there's no more time anymore

to get you out. And it's like, oh, I guess he's the best. Oh, I guess he's the best. Is there any sense of betrayal that Jonathan of the new era sided with the old school? I think everyone expected it, so no. You know, as someone who would literally vote out my mom for Surrey, I can't say anything. Because if I was there and Sarri said, Marian, you're going to have to vote out your mom. I'd be like, who's my mom? Hold on.

Update from Johnny Fairplay, he's saying, how's Rizzo? that's not surprising you had the belt okay Johnny Fairplay is declaring victory over the Riz God in the wrestling Matt he might have cheated it might have been the only one he could beat though

yeah do you think that the new school is going to be able to overcome this Jonathan betrayal in the game in the game I think so because Tiffany is out for blood and Camilla.

Big night for Tiffany. Did you see how many confessions? Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like I thought she was actually maybe going home because they were really a little visibility spike. But I think that D is such a hustler. Tiffany is such a hustler. They can turn it around.

But they really have to rope in Emily, Christian and Rick and get those people on their side and get Ozzy and Surrey back over. Yeah. Well, and I think I think there's a Rizzo alliance still in there. And Rizzo is very loyal, but he's also very smart. and he's smart enough to know he's not going to the end with Ozzy and Surrey. That's insane. So there's going to be some flipping. Well, I think that it seems like we're starting to wrap up here.

Thank you all so much. I think I'm going to do a little lightning round that just get a couple other people in before they kick us out of here. Marianne Okich, the great Namor, Omer Zahir, thank you so much. Thank you. Let me get in a few more people here before they kick us out here tonight. Thank you. Always a treat. Okay. Always a pleasure.

Yes. All right. Here with us. It was Applebee's night. And what a treat that it is for us to have. Karishma here in the building. Karishma, Sophie Ballardy and Michaela Bradshaw is here. Wow.

What a lineup. That ass women. Yes. Thank you. Fears two women. Yes. There was a rumor that only two women were allowed to talk. on the podcast at once, but we have, that was obviously not true.

That was a rumor that Johnny Fairplay had started. It's very antiquated, Rob. What did you think? Well, that's why it was a rumor. What did you think of the Applebee's? Okay. First and foremost, y'all need to go and check out the new Applebee's because I'm telling you that new spinach and artichoke dip is fire.

Yeah. That's all I'm going to say about it. And it's also affordable. Let's be real. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Michaela, how are you?

doing? I'm fantastic. How are you, Mr. Sessonino? I'm doing great. How could I be doing bad now? Yeah. Things were okay earlier, but now they've really picked up. They've lifted out. Yes. What do you think of Sari and how she's doing? I think I've told people for years and years that Sari is the absolute goat. I had the privilege of playing with both Sari and Sandra, and I can see that they have their differences, but they're both, except. and amazing in their ability to influence others. And I think you saw a little bit of that tonight. Yes.

Okay. And then what a big night for the Riz God. I know. Again. Again. How does he keep getting away with it? I don't know. And I'm happy for him.

But the fact that Genevieve went home on a night where the two people who received her idols were safe for three tribals is so sickening to me. Yes. It makes you upset. It makes me upset in a bad way. Yeah. It's horrible. But I'm happy for the Riz God

He's getting really lucky But he's also doing a really good job So, you played with Aubrey In Game Changers Did you have a good relationship With Aubrey in Game Changers? In Game Changers, no, because she lied to me On day one for no reason.

You were her Genevieve. Oh, really? Well, you know, I think she goes off of gut With people and her initial gut is wrong. But then she figures it out over the course of the game. She's a slow starter. He's a slow starter, so it was a slow start for me, but 10 years later, we've reconciled, and now I think she's great. So you also, much like Rizzo, played back-to-back seasons, and nobody knew who you were.

Did you feel like that was an advantage for you, or did you feel like that it was hard to overcome that? I would say definitely a disadvantage because everyone thought I was Jatia. But they were like, you threw the rice. No, ma'am, that wasn't me. Somebody know that? Everyone thought I was Jatia. Thank you to Zeke for clearing that up for me. Yes.

But no, it's not an advantage. I played on the bottom on game changes. It's a very different experience because it's always better the devil you know than the better than the devil you don't know. That's how Survivor goes. And so it's great to see Rizzo figuring out a way to find some connections because you're really at the mercy of everyone else. Ron brought it up tonight about you coming back and playing Survivor again.

And I forget, what did you say about the idea of... Until tonight, my answer was always, no thank you. I like luxury, you know. But it's something about watching season like 50 with so many people and being immersed back in the experience. It's like, you know, it's shorter. Maybe I can do it. So you know what I think you have a really interesting story too,

because I think that part of your last time out was Surrey looked at you and said she reminds me of a year. younger version of Mia that she seems she seems like me when I was younger you played in your first time as one of the millennials and I think that there's like now like a passing of the guard from the millennials to like the gen Z players who have come along like I think you'd be a really interesting returney agreed well thank you I would love to see it well we'll see especially with all your other reality television experience I can say out of all my experiences I I always appreciate the people that I meet on Survivor.

And now, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not an expert in the challenge like I am in Survivor. But you did play with Dee, right, in season 41 of the challenge? Yes. What do you think about how she's been doing? I think Dee has a fantastic way of connecting with people, kind of getting people's guard down. To me, it feels very genuine and authentic. But we'll see. Time will tell.

Yeah. Um, Khrushma, who are you rooting for? Who are your interest this season? So I'm a little biased because I am a old generation and not a new era player. So I am rooting for more of the old generation players. Okay. All right. Sarah, old Jen.

Chanel is sneaking in here also, also from Survivor 42. Love Chanel. Yes. Chanel, how are you doing? I'm amazing. I like just finished this episode with y'all. And I thought it was incredible. Like, I'm loving.

season 50. It's so fun. Yes. Okay. We've been talking a lot about Jonathan being the season 42 returning. I'm not sure. Listen, all props to Jonathan. He's a beast athletically. But I feel like I would have loved to see like Omer play or Marianne play. Like those are my like I love to see a strategist over like a pure proof force. However, we'll see if Jonathan pulls out his strategy chops. The season is still early. Yeah. Yeah. Another challenge, person traditionally is Ozzy that you also played with on game changes. What do you thought about Ozzie's fifth timeout? What?

Fifth time out. I love Ozzy. So I'm always going to be biased towards my friend. But I think his challenge is he loves the nature. He loves the game. And he gets left behind on the strategic backstab parts. And when you get left behind on that, it's only a lot. And he gets left behind on that it's only a matter of time. So I'm rooted for my guy, but I know his heart and his heart does not get you to soul survivor. Yeah, you saw him in the water. He's like, I'm really at home.

He was ready for that. I'm in heaven. He was waiting for that. And then you sort of pour Rizzo on the ground. I'm in hell. Like, why? He's always in the fetal position with like a hood on. But that's, that's, that's how he is.

Yeah. It's how both of them are. One's lazy. And the other one's just always doing. I mean, the two of them are really interesting because they're sort of like, like, two sides of the same coin of like, Rizzo, we saw with Colby, where Kobe's like, hey, you got to build the shelter. And with Q, he's like, hey, we got to go look for crabs. And Rizzla, I didn't come out here to camp. Like, I want to play Survivor. That's the difference between old school and new school, though, right? Like old school is like on like, again, principal, as coach would say, on the experience on, you know, building the fire and community in the shelter. New school is gay. body. It is strategy. It is like like pure strategy, which I think it's beautiful to see the two worlds come together. But what I think I see, and I could be wrong, I feel like old school is like kind

of mopping new school. Like with the exception of Colby. They're magging new school. Mopping, like mopping the, oh, I think they're mocking them. Sophie, are excited that? I know what this is. Yes. How do you know? Oh, you have a young son. Yes. Yes. I don't know what mocking is to someone feel you. You're mogging right now. No, I'm not mopping, but magging. You're mocking right now. Looking good.

Oh. You're out magging. Would it? That's a Z term? Yes. No context clues would have led me there. Yes, I am. Too old for this.

Okay, magging. I'm going to add that. Moggy. So, all right. So, you know, who are your favorites on 15? All right. Listen, after I just shed some tears, Colby might have been one of them, but no.

Oh. I love the Queen Surrey. Like, I think, thank you, sorry. I love the Queen. sorry, like, that's everyone's, uh, that's everyone's, favorite. Um, I'm really enjoying watching Rizzle play.

Riz, G-O-D. Fun fact, Rizzo and I played in an ORG together. Oh, yes. Before I went on Survivor, before he went on Survivor, we were in this like, O-R-G together, and he was my number one ally. And so when he, uh, when he got on, when I got on first, he was like, look at my, look at my audition tape. Give me at us give me feedback.

And I was like, yo, just keep, Keep submitting it. And now he's on. And now he's a legend. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think we're going to start to wrap up here.

Anything else that the panel wants to add? Love you, Rob. You are amazing. You're the goat, Rob. Thank you so much. Shame on them for their murder in plain side. Yeah. Thank you, Michaela.

I appreciate it. Also, listen, listen, keep bringing back returning players. We love returning players season. I think they have to, right? Right? And bring back the. We love themes. Yes.

Theme law and order. Hey, Colby said that the 50s is the decade of reflection. And Survivor, I hope that you're listening to because your 50s are coming up also. All right. So reflect on the past. Also, get this book. It is amazing. It's amazing.

Thank you. Thank you. If you don't have the book, you're not available. What is even doing? What is what I'm going to say? Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Thank you all so much. Thanks to everybody here at the Ron Clark Academy. David, it's David C.C. behind the camera that you were incredible helping us put this all together. Sam Moore running around all night. And, of course, thanks so much to Ron and all of the people who stopped in. Really, this was so fun for me. What a great night. Check out, of course, all of the podcasts, the exit interviews that we have coming up and everything else on Rob is a podcast.

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