RHAP: We Know Survivor - Jeremy Collins Talks Survivor 50

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Jeremy Collins Talks Survivor 50 Today, Rob Cesternino welcomes winner Jeremy Collins for a detailed season recap full of insight and candid laughs. As the castaways brace for the fallout of one of the most complicated merges yet, Rob and Jeremy dissect how shifting power alliances and big personalities like Coach, Cirie, and Stephenie are rewriting the Survivor playbook. Why will nobody target the legends? And can anyone keep a secret when idols and advantages keep getting spilled? This episode flashes through all the high-stakes moments in Survivor 50, from the 14-person merge chaos to tense Tribal Councils where plans unravel at lightning speed. Jeremy dives into the differences between old-school and new-school strategy—explaining why the legends are simultaneously revered and feared, and why trusting the wrong person with your idol secret can send your game off the rails. With Coach’s “honor and integrity” game plan stirring debate and Rizo finding himself in the popular crowd, Rob and Jeremy discuss which players are really running the game and who’s just along for the ride. Thoughts on jury management, family stories at Final Tribal, and the emerging threat level debate keep things lively. – Coach’s hands-on leadership style puts a target on his back as players debate when to flip and when to stay loyal. – Cirie and Stephenie’s preexisting bond and reality show history create uncertainty about whether they will ever turn on each other—or pull the biggest move of the season. – Multiple advantages and idols get exposed, with Jeremy and Rob breaking down how leaks shape trust, alliances, and big moves. – Rizo’s under-the-radar game raises questions about whether being liked by everyone means he’s a jury goat or a sleeping giant. – Jeremy’s sports parent stories offer real-life parallels to Survivor’s pressures (and some advice for the sidelines). Will the legendary players finally be targeted, or will cracks in the alliances put the spotlight elsewhere when it matters most? Who will step up and shift the game at this critical merge? Don’t miss Rob and Jeremy’s full episode recap for all the idol drama, voting secrets, alliance chaos, and insight into what moves will matter most as Survivor 50 charges ahead! Chapters: 0:00 Intros 6:56 Old School Players Surpassing Expectations 14:33 Jeremy Reveals Season 50 Offer 24:16 Coach’s Loyal Game Critiqued 33:12 Rizo’s Evolution and Jury Threat 40:59 Debating Survivor Resumes and Winners 53:34 Overcoming Survivor Loss and Returning 1:03:04 Genevieve, Emily, and Season 50 Alliances 1:13:02 Cirie’s Emotional Moment Foreshadowed 1:18:32 Lines in the Sand and Tony’s Lions 1:34:00 Keith Nail’s Ponderosa Story 1:37:12 Youth Sports, Parenting, Loving the Game To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Rob Sesterino, and I'm back here. We've got a great guest here today because we needed to bring in somebody to talk about What's it like to be a survivor winner who comes back, who's hosted the On Fire podcast? Get it all to play in a big returny season. Our great friend, Jeremy Collins is here. Jeremy, how are you? What's up, Rob?

How's it going, brother? Hey, I want you to first see something. I wanted you to see the product placement. You know, I got my guy, Escape. Can you see that back there? Okay. Just so you see. We have to get you the tribe and I,

spoken to outdo the product placement. That's what I need. That's the next one I need. See, I haven't seen that one. Okay. All right. We'll get that out to you ASAP and talk to a fellow podcaster, not just on the on fire podcast. And, you know, listen, I, the maybe permanent co-host of the on fire podcast because they could not replace you. Oh, they don't have it this year, huh? They, yeah, well, I don't know what happened. But, Maybe you're forever the co-host of the On Fire podcast. Was I that good or was I that bad? That's the question.

Listen, that's not for me to say. But now you have now set your sights to greener pastures as you and Val are now the host of your own new podcast, the Mic'd In podcast. How about that? Congratulations. Yeah, we're doing a, so Val retired. I retired from the police department and, you know, Val has a light. Val gets up in the morning, she goes to the gym.

And then she goes and gets her eyebrows done and she gets her nails done. And then she comes home and then she goes back to the gym and gets another workout. And she has it made, right? Multiple trips. Multiple trips. You should see her, though.

She looks unbelievable right now. She's like, she's ripped. She looks great. And then so she says to me, like, we should do something. And I'm like, I'm doing something. You're not allowed to say that, Jeremy. But listen, I know you've never, like, said anything that you have to walk back before.

And so, but I'm telling you, you're not allowed to say that. But no, I do think that Val, I do think that Val and Nicole, I think that there is a lot of similarities there. I think that, I feel like that they have, like, very similar personalities. I agree. And when I talk to you about family stuff, like, I, I, I think that. I'm talking to myself, Rob. Like I, some of the stories that you come up with, I'm like, yeah, that, that's me. That happens to me all the time.

You know what I mean? I got a good story for you later about a chicken nugget, but we'll talk about that at a later date. But the podcast, I feel like is a long time coming because I had such a nice time when we went to Stephen's wedding. And I spent a lot of time that weekend with you and we went out to breakfast. And I was like the third wheel with you. So I was like the first guest of the podcast. And I remember then Val talking about. that she wanted to start a podcast.

I think she wanted to review like milkshakes, if I recall, of like food reviews. Food reviews, yes. You know, because we, all we do, we go out to eat all the time and I'm a big foodie. And we, we talk about that all the time, how, how crazy I am on my food and how, like, I like to talk about food, you know what I mean? And I like to eat. So we would, we would, we would, that was a thing for a while. But now we are doing, you know, so we, we were talking about it.

We said, uh, we, we, we should. have two girls in college that, you know, we grew up with them. They played sports. What's their whole life? And now they're playing high level college basketball and soccer and track. And now we're doing it again with the boys. Yeah. So a lot of times we're at like soccer or lacrosse or football or whatever. And some of the parents are kind of crazy. And they're like, well, we look at them and say, listen, don't worry about that. That doesn't matter right now. You know, you'll see this matters later, but this doesn't matter now. And, you know, so we feel like we have some

input on a lot of this stuff. So then we said, let's do a podcast on, you know, kids and sports and, you know, going from youth sports to college sports to NIL to nutrition to anything. You know what I mean? Anything with sports and raising kids and everything. So, yeah, that's what we're doing.

And so what we do every episode is we bring somebody in that is basically kind of an expert in their field. You know what I mean? We'll bring in, the other day we had Notre Dame's Strength and Conditioning Coach. You know what I mean? We bring in athletic directors. We bring in coaches, we bring in trainers, we bring in, you know, and parents, you know, we try to bridge the gap with a lot of things that people don't know. You know what I mean? Because you don't know what you don't know, you know? So I don't know. That's kind of what we've been doing. And it's been a lot of fun. So I told Nicole, I was like, hey, are you listening to Jeremy and Val's podcast? And she's like,

no, it makes me too sad because I know that my sons are never going to be college athletes. Which is a pain point for her. That's a problem, first of all, that she should not be talking like that. I'll tell you what, when Jordan was younger, she must have been third or fourth grade. there was one of the parents that he's actually my neighbor now we moved in the same neighborhood but one of the parents we were talking and he was like

what does this all matter like they're playing soccer he's like they're not going to college for this and everything and I sat there and looked at him I was like why not? Yeah.

And he was like I don't know nobody who do you know that goes to college for sports and stuff I'm like somebody goes obviously you see people on TV and stuff and people do do this why not our kids you know what I mean and he looked at him

he's like, oh, I guess you're right. And I'm like, yeah, like, if they want to do it, push them for that. And, yeah, like, so don't do that, Nicole. Like, she wants to push them. Yeah, she wants to be out there. She wants to be out there on the sidelines watching all these little league games. That's her dream. Ah.

It's not my kid's dream, ultimately, though. That's the problem. Well, I mean, it has to be the kid's dream. It has, it can't be our, that's another thing we talk about because a lot of the parents are living to their kids and it gets crazy out there. I'm going to subscribe to the podcast on her phone and then she'll just do it. It's so fun. She gets into a lot of fights

with the other like parents and stuff like that. But mostly when they're being too crazy, she's policing like, hey, like, hey, like take it easy. So, but she will get into like a shouting match with the person. I want to hear stories about it too. You know, like I love this stuff.

Yeah. Okay, well, let's talk about what's going on here. Speaking of shouting matches, we got some of that unfolding here on Survivor 50. What's been your reaction to watching Survivor 50? Because I, you know, I listen to every week the Survivor on Fire podcast, and I thought you did a really great job there. And I thought that one of the themes I felt like of the podcast last season was you talking

a lot about what Jeff would be like, the old school players, I don't know if they're going to be able to adapt to this new game. The new game's too fast. The new game is hard. old school players are kicking ass. How about that? Yeah. What do you think of that, New Era?

Everybody said the old schoolers couldn't handle it. They're eating the new school's lunch. I do think it's going to change, though. I don't think it's going to laugh. I feel like I was talking to somebody about this the other day, and I think that the difference between this season and like season 40, We had big names on our season, but like the people that weren't as big

didn't look at the big names as big names. You know what I mean? Like I know Rob and Parva are big names, but I didn't look at them and say like, you know, those two are huge. Like I'm afraid of them. I feel like this season, I feel like everybody wants to,

they're looking up to, you know, coach and looking up to Kobe and they're like, wow, look at Surrey, you know, look at Stephanie. And I feel like that's a little bit of the difference and they don't want to kind of step on their toes and they just want to go with the flow with them. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. That's how I feel. In Winners at War, there weren't necessarily people like, oh my God, I can't believe it's this person. I can't believe I'm going to get to work with them. And so that that really wasn't a factor there. And we do have that a little bit here with this season.

And we have seen this big 14-person merge. And I was talking a little of this, with Stephen last night of that he has talked about before in second chance that you had, I think it was 13 person merge and just how much chaos there was and people just looking to find a

safe vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so it was a lot that day. I do remember when we were running around and it was supposed to be like an easy vote and I'm like, but what if they have this?

What if they're that? And so I kind of cause a lot of drama and craziness because I was like, what if, you know? And then once it all, you know, once we went to travel and everything, it kind of played out regular. And so the next day I was like, I'm not doing that again. I'm going to sit back and I'm not causing any drama. And I kind of pull back. And then that's when a lot of craziness with, with, uh, Wentworth and everything, you know, when we should have been like, something can happen. And since we didn't do anything all the votes

went to Wentworth, you know what I mean? And that's when we should have been like if Wentworth has something, we got to have a backup plan and a backup plan and a backup plan and a backup plan. And so it is a lot. Having that many people, it's a lot to, I remember being out there and saying,

I can't even keep track of everybody. Like who has, who's doing what and who's going for who? And like what coach was saying, um, you vote for this person. You vote for this. That's a lot, man.

There's too many people to even follow. I wonder if we could be maybe on the verge of history repeating itself with a Wentworth type vote where, you know, I'm sure like after the cast vote and you're trying to split votes and who's where. There probably was a little bit of like, you know what, let's just put the votes on one person. And then it was like a real, like, stressful night for coach to try to like get this vote split right. I wonder, could you have a situation where the problem is that the idols, I don't believe with the Billy Elish boomerang out of that you could play the idol that you could play the idol. So, unless somebody finds a new, and Aubrey did play her idol. So somebody could have a real idol, potentially, and that they get the vote split wrong, but they're all just like, ah, who cares with the vote split? The shot in the dark isn't going to hit.

Let's just put all the votes on Tiffany. I can see that. That would be another, yeah, like a, like a, when? that war type thing, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I'd like a, what is it? Second chance. Second chance. Yeah.

You know, I know that maybe in another world, maybe we could have seen you be in season 50. I think it really, I think the players would have gravitated towards you like we're seeing with Surrey. I really do think that you do have a reverence, especially with the younger players, where because I look we were in Boston and I saw you came to Luigi's Pizzeria and all the new air oh my God Jeremy's here Jeremy can you believe it Jeremy I'm so nervous Jeremy's here yeah I saw it um I don't know I feel like I have a good reputation with survivors and I don't know I think I think I could have done you know all right out there I don't know Let's put this out there first.

I don't want to play anymore. Really? I don't want to play anymore. Like there was a time. So I got called for. Huh? Maybe you have to. You don't want to.

I don't want to. And I don't have to. I got a call for this season. And I said, I don't want to do this. And I'm talking to Val. And Val's like, yeah, this might be like the big one. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my God, Val, all right, all right.

So I told them, I said, all right, I'm down. I'll do it. And what does she mean the big one? I was going. Like the big season, the ending of it, like this could be it. It could be it. It's over after this. So, yes, that's what she's saying.

She's like, season 50 is going to be everywhere. It's going to be like time square. And it's going to be huge, you know? And I was like, oh, man, maybe I should. Okay. And so I told them, I told props I would do it. And I was going through the process. And then later on, he said, oh, we kind of went a different direction.

I'm like, thank God. Because I'm not in it, man. I got spoiled, man. I got spoiled from traders. Traders really spoiled you when you're in a nice castle, nice and warm. Yeah. And you're getting food and like, ah, like I'm spoiled. And I'm getting old, Rob.

I can't be out there. You can still do it. I can't, man. I don't. I wonder. And then I told, huh? See, I wonder if I feel like, what if Australian Survivor called you and they were going to do again like what poverty is. No, I'm serious, because I think that this would be, I'm not even trying to say, but what a great story would be because then they could get you out there, like, oh my God, this is for real.

This is, because I think that that way, and it would be like less time for you. Wouldn't that be good? Good story. I don't think so, man. It would be a good story, but I don't think so. I thought about that. I thought about, that's not real. No, let me stop.

I'm not even, I'm not trying to say that. I just think that you would be, that you would be a draw and it would be like sort of built in that you like, you might come in like, I could do this in my sleep. Yeah. Yeah, but then I think that's when I really get beat up out there. And then I'm like, oh my God, like this was worse than I thought, you know. And I don't want to go through that. Didn't I just tell you that I'm spoiled now? I'm like, I want to sleep at a castle.

You know what I mean? I want to put on nice clothes and eat good food. But the food is not good. It's not that good. What did you think about the food? Yeah. You know what? I didn't have enough time to get sick of it.

It was fine. It was fine. I would have loved to have like spent more time there and really gotten sick of the food. It was what I really would have loved. I mean, but I wasn't there that long. But the time that I was on there, the food was no, no, no, no, no, point. It was that. It was one day.

That could be your first food review on the podcast. Yes. I'll take their food and throw it, man. That food was awful, man. Yeah, we're the apples. They put it in the oven and just took it out and gave it to you. And it was like no seasoning. It was dry.

It was awful. I was like, what are we doing here? Robin was eating it. And I'm like, Robin, what are we doing? You're eating that? And she's throwing salt and pepper on it. And she's like, I'm hungry. I'm going to eat.

I'm like, I'm hungry and I'm not going to eat that. That's not happening. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not doing that. It was awful. Yeah. Although in Survivor Second Chance, you did the gross food, and you seemed like that you had no problem with that.

Well, if I'm in the castle and I don't eat for 14 days, I will eat anything. You eat anything. And that's what happened on Survivor. I was so hungry that day. I remember it, man. I was so hungry when we got the news that it was the gross food, I said, Guys, I'll do all of them. Like, I'll eat whatever's out there.

I don't mind. Like, that's how hungry I was. And I was disappointed when we got out there, and I couldn't be nominated multiple times back to back. I was upset. I was like, come on. I just want to be out there eating. Do you think we're going to get that in season 50?

Um, I don't know. I mean, I feel like they're eating a lot. So I don't think that, uh, I don't think so. I don't think they're going to do, but I have to do it before the merge, I think, for it to be really good. I think because then you have the person who is in the spot where they're going to let the team down

if they don't do it. They've done it after the merge, but really, I think when you do it pre-merge, I think that that's when it really hits. Did we do it pre-merge? I don't even remember. Yeah, I think it was like right before the merge. Like, oh, yeah, because I think,

I think Wu was in there, and Wu just missed the merge. So I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So in this season, is there anybody that I'm trying to go through in my mind of, is there anybody that you played with that's in this season?

No, nobody, nobody. And I said that. I was like, this is a lot of players, nobody at all. I don't really even, like I know a bunch of people, but there's no one out there that I played with at all. And I thought that would have been good for me. Like I thought I could come out there and do my thing, you know, and play. but yeah, whatever.

Do you have a particular rooting interest in anybody this season? Everybody I root for is gone. You know what I mean? Well, I don't want to say that. Everybody that I pick that I say, oh, they're going to pull this thing off is gone. Like Charlie was my winner pick.

Charlie, I was like, Charlie, this is your time. I got a story, right? So Charlie hit me up and he's like, hey, are you going to play? Are you going? And I was like, Charlie, that's so funny because I got the call and, you know, I was going to go, but now I'm not going, this and that.

And he didn't believe me. He was like, he really thought I was going to be out there. And we would talk on the phone. I was like, Charlie, this is like, you got this, blah, blah, blah. You're going to do great. And he's like, so maybe I'll see you out there. And I'm like, Charlie, I'm not going, man. We'll play and Survivor already.

And I'm not going, dude. Like, what are you talking about? But Charlie was my thing. If you tell them you're not going, that they're like, they're like with Surrey when Stephanie came back. They're like, okay, all right, Jeremy. That was good. That was good.

Oh, let me, can we, we'll come back to that part, right? But I do want to say, if you're Stephanie, do you take out Seri now? Because now, you're like, oh, Surrey can read my bluff. You could try. Yeah. I think Stephanie knows Surrey can read her bluff. I think that they've spent a lot of time together. And they're good with it?

Okay. That's the first thing that's Actually, you know what? This is very relevant. So they were obviously they were on the first season of the traders together. Sirree was the traitor.

But before they did that, they were on another show together and it was called Snake in the Grass. And it was also on peacock and there was some sort of like, I think that a lot of the people who got on traders then were on this show first.

So in that show, it was kind of like, you ever see the mole where it was like one, person is like the saboteur of the team. So there were four people. And it was Stephanie, Ceree, Rachel Riley, and Janelle were the four people that were on it. And Stephanie, if I recall, was picked to be the saboteur.

She was the snake in the grass. And they had to then decide. And it was quite obvious to the other people that were there that Stephanie was, including to Sarie, who was very easily able to tell that Stephanie was the person who was

the snake in the grass. And so I think that Surrey can, like, I think Stephanie knows this. She reads her. Surrey sees through Stephanie. Okay, okay. And they have history and stuff. So I guess you don't go after her.

All right. That's the first thing I thought. I didn't know that, I did know that they were on the traders together, but I even, like, it even slipped my mind just like how close they You know what I mean? They also, they were also on Heroes versus Villains together, where they were both on the Heroes Tribe, and then they also went out early, so they spent a lot of time at Ponderosa also together in the pre-lege people.

And so that's, they have this 15-year history. Yeah. Geez. Are we not seeing this? Like, are people not going after those two? That's a huge couple right there, not? Well, I think that there's some question, is there bad blood between? the two of them and there was maybe the thought that is Stephanie going to go after

Ceree because Ceree got her on the traders? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that carry over? What if somebody is a traitor and they get you and then you play with them again? Okay, let me think this through. All right. So if Boston Rob was a traitor, just throw out a name. I can't do it because no survivor trader got me.

That has to be if I'm on like the real housewives with Love Island. Well, I had a couple survivors that were on with me that got me. Yeah. A couple of them. Yeah. Would I go after them?

I don't know. I guess it's like the, you know, the devil you know, you know what I mean? Like I know Rob, I know Carolyn. So like maybe I stick with them for a little bit. I mean, it's weird. It's a different show. It's like, I had to.

I was a traitor. What am I supposed to do? Save the other Survivor. That's what you're supposed to do. It's very simple. Yeah. So after the show, you know, Rob says to me, he's like, one day, can we get on the same page?

On one of these shows, can we get on the same page? I'm like, Bob, in Survivor, I tried to play with you. I wanted to play with you. I wanted Ethan gone, so I can play with you. And then we go to traders and I'm like, yo, I want to play with you. And then you never want to play with me. Like, come on, man. Don't play me for that.

It'll work out. It's meant to be. Yeah. On Australian Survivor. It'll be, it'll happen. So that'll be great. So could you talk a little bit about what was going on with Coach last night? First of all, have you ever met Coach?

I have not met Coach before. Wow. No. Coach is a character. Should you have him on the Mike Din podcast as a coach of women's soccer? Is he going to do what he's. what he's been doing out there. If he is, that's gold. I want him on there. He's absolutely crazy. Like, him taking over is beautiful. I thought he was gone. I was like, this is going to be a

beautiful funeral right now. He's gone. And I couldn't believe like that they all just took out D. You know, like I just couldn't believe that did that. I'm not, I'm a fan of coach. I'm obviously my fan of coach. I like, you know, I follow him on social media and everything. But I'm not a of what he's doing out there. I think it's crazy. I think it's, it's, I, I'm not a fan of, like, quiet as kept, I, I know I play a loyal game, but I'm not a fan of the loyal game. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to, I don't want to see that. I want to see, like, backstabbing, and I want to see, like, flipping tribes and flipping alliances and, like, I want to see craziness, you know? Yeah. So the way that you play yourself, you feel like, as a viewer,

you don't want to see people play that way. Yeah, I don't want to see that. I want to see, like, wildness. I mean, when I'm playing, especially like for second chance, it was crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And, you know, I would work with someone this day and then work with someone else. And hopefully, the person that I didn't involve in this plan isn't upset with me, but I feel like I can go back and patch that up. But like, I like to move it around, you know. I'm still loyal to.

you, you know, I just didn't tell you the plan, but I wasn't going after you. You know what I mean? Like, I would never do that. Obviously, I wouldn't do that. But you didn't need to be in this plan. So let me go after this person. And then we could always come back. And I love that type of gameplay. But I don't like the, oh, like, have some honor and like integrity to play this game. Like, this is survival. I don't, I don't think there is like, I don't see that in the game. I like to, I want to see some crazins, you know. I would love for, for, for, for coach to, like, like blindside Jonathan or something. You know what I mean?

Like go after Joe. Like if they go after each other, like that's fun. I definitely feel like that coach is setting this structure up of like, hey, nobody here is allowed to lie because that benefits him. But he's not necessarily going to play by that same sort of rules. But you see a lot of the other people between Rick Devons and Emily and people who are getting very frustrated with those rules that coach is putting into place. they talk about this a lot that they're sort of like a society or they're sort of like

each season has its own sort of like trying to think of what the right words are of um like their code of this is what we do in this season i feel like that coach is really trying to foster that did did you have that in any of your seasons of like this you know if if you do this in this particular season and we really don't like that. I don't see that, man. I know, like, for a second chance, I remember it was like, you know, we were just having fun. Everyone was playing crazy and, you know, big moves.

You got to make big moves. And you had to build your resume. That was the biggest thing. You got to build your resume. For blood versus water, man, I don't think so. Like, I feel like blood versus water was just like. Wow. That was just crazy thing.

Yeah, it was just so bad, so bad. It's just bad gameplay. Yeah. Okay. I was saying this the other day. I was on another podcast and I was talking about if I just, if I could just mend some of those fences that I had with Josh. Like me and Josh were like battling. And after I took him out, I was like, oh, I'm good. I'm home free.

And then I lose. You know what I mean? But I think if I just said, Josh, like. Like, let's work together. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think we could do some really good things if we work together. And I think we would have both gone really far in that game. You know, I think my second season, I matured and I was just like, like, whatever.

Like, I play with anybody. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if there's themes. And I think, I just think coach, though, that's what he does. I think coach just wants to play that style of game. And that's good for him.

And he just wants everybody to follow suit. But I don't think he's going to be there long. I really think they're going to go after him. You think he's in trouble? I do. I do. I just, he's going to, he's pushing it too far, you know. He's fun to watch. This time of year, the weather is crazy.

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put our heads together and we talk about what we're going to do. And I thought it was an interesting analogy, which sort of like in this game of 14 individuals, like the team part of the game is over. I thought it was interesting how he was describing it. like, hey, the tribe needs to all come together and we got to decide what we want to do, but I don't know how you're ever going to come to a, you know, consensus of what the vote should be for the tribe

in the individual portion of the game. And there was a little bit of pushback. How did you see the firehouse analogy that Joe made? I think that that firehouse analogy is good for Joe because I believe Joe's a lieutenant. And I think that's just how he runs his crew. Yeah. He wants to hear from everybody.

And that's cool, but that's not how it always goes at the firehouse. In my station, we have a guy that's a chief, and he's like, no, this is the way I, this is the way it goes. You know what I mean? If you don't like it, you know what I mean? You could talk to me afterwards, but I'm doing it this way, you know? And everybody else has to have faith in the boss to be like, he has our best, our safety in mind. And like, he's not going to hurt us. He's not going to put us in a bad situation.

So we have to trust him. You know what I mean? So I think he was, I just think that that's how he runs his shift, but in my firehouse, it is different. And I think all firehouses are a little different. You know, it all depends on who's in charge. Yeah. It's too big of a group with 14 to really have a consensus of what you want to do.

It just is like there's some loud voices and there's a lot of people that just don't want to be involved. Yeah. Yeah. It's too much. It's too much. You're not going to, everyone's not going to be like, all right, that's the one person that we have to get out. That's going to be good for all of our games. It's not going to happen like that.

Now, did you see that Joe was cast by Tyler Perry in his new Firehouse Drama on Netflix? I did see that. And you know what the first thing that popped in my mind? I can imagine. Where's my cameo? Like, I need to get on there. I want to be on there. Yes.

Just one episode. Because you, correct me if I'm wrong, you did the Bold and the Beautiful? Was it bold? Is that what it was? I don't even remember the name of the soap locker. You feel better than me, yeah. Oh my God. I think it was the bolder view for.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was. That was fun, too. So you have a resume. I mean, I don't want to like, I don't want to, like, I don't want to do my own but yeah. You should have come to Atlanta last week.

Tyler Perry was there at the Ron Clark Academy. Oh, was he? Yes. What were you guys doing there? Like, what was going on there? That Ron Clark had his whole thing that he has every, a bunch of people come down. Wow. You know what I should do? I should have my people talk to your people and your people talk to Tyler Perry's people. My people don't know Tyler Perry's. My people don't know Tyler Perry's. Oh, I thought you were big time. I didn't see him. I heard. I heard. I saw the pictures of people talk to with Tyler Perry. Now you don't know Tyler Perry. I don't know Tyler Perry. Yeah. So, unfortunately, I can't help with that. So who do we talk to to get me a cameo on that show? Do I have to call Joe? Maybe.

tell him like, hey, like, we're all in this together. Yes. Well, we're together on this. Come on, Joe. Yeah, we're all working together. Okay. So tell me a little bit about Rizzo and what you think about him. Now, you got to podcast about him all season long.

I don't know how you felt. I thought he was going to be D-O-A coming into season 50. I didn't think that he had a chance. and he's impressed me so much this season. Yeah, he looks really good. So Rizzo in season 49, I like Rizzo. I thought he was fun. The biggest thing I always say is like,

when you go out there, you want to have fun because you're not going to win. So just go have fun and play the game, you know? And he goes out there and he has so much fun. And now, so this season, him saying how, you know, he wants to be the greatest ever. And I'm like, all right, slow down, man. Like, you don't, we don't do that yet.

You know, like you play your game and then at the end, let everybody else say who's, if you're the greatest. You know what I'm saying? But I do like what he's doing. I don't like how everybody wants to play with him. Yeah. Like, that's crazy. Because I always say, like, it seems good, but if everybody wants to play with you, they all think they could beat you. So why does everybody think they could beat you at the end?

You know what I mean? So he doesn't have a big enough threat level yet. I think he's in a good spot to just keep moving on in the game. But then at the end, they're going to be like, you know, Rizzo, you just were in a good spot. You didn't do anything to win the game. So he has to do some, make some moves to put some targets on his, put a target on his back. And then I think he can win. But I wonder.

He's playing well. He's always in a good spot. With Rizzo in terms of that he's here. I don't feel like he can win the game here in this returning player season. I'll tell you why. And it has to do with you. Okay. With me?

Yeah. Okay? What did I do? Because you changed the game. I really do believe that in terms of who you are as a person, I think that when you came back to Survivor, especially when you came back in Survivor Second Chance, as in addition to being an all-around great guy,

so likable, a firefighter, that also front and center with you is always your family. And we all got to see that be such a big part of your story in Survivor Second Chance. I think that that was the reason why in season 40, nobody was going to let you get to the end because you have such a great hand to play in terms of,

you're just that who doesn't want to give you the money when they get to the end? And I think that that was a big part of season 40. Yes? I know a lot of people that don't want to give me the money on season 40. I can tell you a bunch of people. Yes, okay.

Well, maybe they didn't want you to block them from getting the money, perhaps. But if you get to the end, I think that you're getting a lot of votes still. But hear me out. Because I think that in season 40, it was a big deal, right? There were people who were parents versus people who were the people who had not yet had children. And I do think that if Rizzo sits at the end of the game against people who are people who are providers for their family, I do wonder if that gets held against him.

And if you're somebody like a Surrey or a coach that aren't you dying to sit next to Rizzo where it's like, look at my body of work, I have a whole family that I'm taking care of, versus Rizzo, who's just getting started in life, doesn't yet have that. Don't you think that that's a good reason to sit next to him? I could see that, but I mean, are you going to,

so say Rizzo makes some really big moves, right? and he gets to the end. That's a good argument. Like, listen, I just played. I came back a week later and I'm playing again and I'm making all these good moves, big moves. Nobody knew me, and now I'm at the end. Like, that's a, he has a story.

No doubt he has a story. But who's he with? Okay, so if it's Rizzo, Jonathan, and how about Rizzo, Jonathan, and coach? You know what? Too bad. He just said no to that. Alliance. He should have jumped at that.

Rizzo Jonathan and Emily. How about that? Yeah. Look, I think that there are certainly ways he can win, but I do think that where he's up against him. And maybe in winners at war, there were just, we're so many, almost everybody that was, you know, you, Kim, Tyson, you know, Tony, Sarah. Like, you know, they were all Ben, like, Denise, like, all parents. I kind of feel like that maybe that's not necessarily the case with the season. There are people who aren't parents yet, but I just think that that does play a big factor versus somebody who's like just a young person. I agree with that. I agree with that.

We would talk, me and Vap would talk about this because our first season when we were on, and we were just, we were parents and I think we were the only ones aside from the people that were actually on the show, you know, like Missy and Baylor and Dale and Wentworth. but there was everyone else, they were young, you know what I mean? So it, the motivations are all different. And what happened was Josh would say, like, are you going to give the money to a firefighter or to me, a Broadway, you know, someone on Broadway and stuff like that?

So that is a thing. That is, that is true. You know, you do want to sit next to somebody that doesn't have like, you know, the family background. And like, yeah, I could see what you're saying. Yeah. And I feel like Sophie, I don't know. I mean, I guess we're kind of.

agreeing because I'm saying Rizzo, everybody wants to play with Rizzo, and that's not good for Rizzo that everybody wants to sit with you because then you're going to go to the end and not get any votes, you know? Yeah. The other thing I wonder about him was in the season that you podcast about, season 49, it also felt like that he, his jury management was also a bit of a question mark. It seemed like that the people that were going on to the jury were not loving his antics, and they felt like that when he was taken out the idol and he was showing it to people.

and then putting it away, almost everybody that went to the jury was like getting a little pissed off at him. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, that was too much. Every time he would be going and not playing it and, you know, playing up to the TV and playing up to the crowd, you know what I mean?

But it is a different season because you see, Aubrey, listen, I wanted Aubrey to do that so bad. I wanted her to not use it. Like I'm saying, all right, Aubrey, they all want you to use it. They're not going to vote for you. don't use it, you know, and keep this thing going.

See how long you could carry this thing. I thought she had peer pressured too. I think that, you know, she said it's a scarlet letter. Everybody's coming for me. Everybody wants me to do it. But she should just get up there and say like, hey, you all want Rick Devin's to get an idol, everybody. Vote me out.

I dare you. Yes, yeah. She's in this unique position. Why not? Why not? Why not? Why does she, I don't know. I think I wanted her to do that so bad.

I want her. If she did that, I would be like, I have a new favor to win this game. Like, I want her to just keep, like, just keep playing the game, you know? Because you know what they're going to do? They're going to go after you anyways. So what are you going to do? You know, you might as well prolong your game as long as possible. You know, it feels like to me they're going to leave her alone now for a little bit.

But it just feels like the thing. Yeah, I don't think that they're necessarily going to gun for Aubrey now. But I think that it doesn't feel like that she's on a trajectory where how's Aubrey going to win this game now? Yeah, yeah. So there she goes. She should have done that to build a resume. You know what I mean? Maybe you could build a resume and try to win this thing.

Yeah. I don't know if it's necessarily like, you know, I think that the resume stuff is overblown. I don't want to get too much into that. But you're the winner. Really? Yeah. You're the winner. So I don't want to like debate you too much on this subject because I'll probably, you know, lose pretty badly.

But. No, no, don't say that. Because I'm always open to having my mind changed. I'm always open to that. Yeah. I feel like every season is always about resume. Like my first season wasn't really about resume, but I mean, whatever. After that, it was all about resume. You know what I mean?

Like, second chance was like all, that was the biggest thing. Like, you got to make big moves. You got to have a resume. When is it worth? Everyone talked about having a resume. You know, I feel like that's a survivor now, no? I think that, I guess what I would say is, that you, the jurors are going to vote for who they like best.

And, but it's not just that. And again, you've been on a jury. You've won the game. You've been, you know, with a whole bunch of jurors on the edge of extinction. So you're a great person to talk about this. But I feel like that the jury will change whatever barometer of like, what counts as your resume, where sometimes it's like, oh, well, they made the fire. Other times they don't care if you made the fire.

You say, like, oh, I found, I played idols. Other times they say, we don't care that you just found things. So I think it really comes down to who do you like, who do you see yourself in and who do you feel good about giving the money to? And then I think that people just say whatever they did was, oh, that was the resume points that I wanted. Okay, but Tony, like everybody's not like, oh, I would love for Tony to have this, you know, like, I think they were more like, Tony is a good representation of this season. He played crazy.

He did this. He did that. He did this. I feel like this should be the winner. You know, he wasn't liked more than Matt or Michelle. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's fair.

I think that, you know, that's a hard season because Natalie came back from the edge. And Tony just did so much. Yeah. You know, I think that that is hard. But I think that if people hated Tony's guts, I don't think that they would have, for him even if he had the resume that he had.

Yeah. Hmm. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like a... I think it's a mixture of both. I think you can't be hated.

But if your resume is impeccable, I feel like they're going to be like... I think that's a thing now. Like, this season is season 50? We have to have a great winner for this season. Season 40 was all about that. Yeah. We have to have somebody that, you know, can carry the season. You know, like, I...

I don't know. I feel like even if you're disliked, you just can't be hated. How about that? Can we agree on that? Just don't be hated by everybody. But as long as you're, you know, relatively liked and you make big moves and big plays

and do your resume is really good. I think it's a little bit. It's not everybody is having the same scorecard where some people say like, oh, they're, they, I'm voting for this person because they had such great social game. And I just think that it's, because you will then, you know what the answer is,

and then you change how you got there, like to show your work by saying it was, oh, it was these specific things. That was what was important to me as opposed to, like, I don't know if anybody has ever said, you know what, I love this person, I hate this person. I'm voting for the person that I hate in the final two.

No, yeah, yeah. In the final three. Yeah, that's not happening. Because their resume is good, but their person, there's, isn't as good. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. The jurors are flawed. Yeah.

The game is flawed. The game is flawed. The game is flawed. But that being said, I still feel like, hey, it's Survivor 50. You're all probably going to lose. What the hell? Just make some big moves. That's it.

Who cares? That's what I want to see. That's my attitude. Who's your winner pick? I want to know your winner pick. My winner pick, so I would say to start off the season, my winner pick was Tiffany. That was the person. Okay.

But I would say, as of right now, I think, that Surrey is looking like really good where I feel like that she, nobody's saying her name and she has like a lot of this soft power that she controls. I can't see everybody. Nobody's going to want to sit next to Surrey. So when you get to the last, you know, five or six people, I feel like she's going to be the biggest target. Well, typically she is.

But she got so hosed in the advantage get in last time. like do you think like which players are going to like which group of players are going to come together and say you know what we're taking out Surrey tonight like who's going to do that

like Surrey's right here how about how about Christian and Devon's group Christian said in the preseason he wanted to go to the end with Surrey before the season even started yeah but they're not playing together now are they?

Have they played together yet? They were on the same starting tribe oh they want to work with Surrey too. I just, I don't know. I don't know. Unless coaches people take her out,

I don't know if, like, who from the other side is taking her out? I don't think coaches people take her out because they're all about integrity and, you know, they're not going to take out Surrey. No, you never do that. Yeah.

Well, Jonathan, I think, seemed open to it. I feel like that we saw where when Dee and Jonathan first got together after the swap, I think they were talking about. So I could see Jonathan, potentially being a person who does want to take out Ceree.

But does he have the numbers to do that? I mean, they have a lot of people on their side. Yeah. He has, what do they have, five? Joe. Jonathan, Joe, coach, Chrissy and Stephanie, it seems like. Yeah, that's a lot of people. Yeah, that's a third.

It's a third. It's a third. It's a third. Yeah. They can do it. Yeah. He's Jonathan, I think Johnson's playing well. Okay.

I think Jonathan's He's He's such a big target So I feel like it is tough for him But if he has coach As a meat shield in front of him I think he could keep making moves And he did a really good job

Because I feel like he got D out I feel like he was the one that like Put everything on D And was going at her I thought he was I think he's playing really well Can Jonathan have a shield I feel like he could, no?

Okay, coach is doing a lot. Yeah. That's not a meat shield for Jonathan. You know what I mean? It's not necessarily like beefy, meat, strong, you know, beat everyone in challenges. I mean, just like an overall. Yeah, I think that Jonathan is a sharper person than I think people let on. And I think he has the thing where I think it's sort of like you see this more on the traders,

where it's like the people who are sort of like underestimated, that's, that's kind of dangerous, where it's like the traders are not murdering Jonathan, like early on. They're like, okay, we'll leave him around. We're not worried about him. He'll help us to win the money and the challenges. But he's like, I think underestimated, I think that's dangerous. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

You know, he was trained by Boston Rom. I saw that too, yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't believe that. Would you ever take somebody under your wing to train them for Survivor? No, because I'm one for three, man. I'm not that good, man. Listen, that I, listen, better average than a lot of people.

Yeah, I know, yeah, but I also have, like, I know my flaws. You know what I mean? Like, I know some people have, like, bigger, they have bigger, What am I thinking? Self, like, they think of themselves more than I do. I'm a confident guy. But, like, I know where I'm good at and what I'm not good at. I'm like, yeah, I'm fine.

Like, I got lucky. I can't help you win this game. I'm like, yo, just go have fun. Go play. You know what works for you. Yeah. I can't. And it only works for me every once in a while.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So I mean, like, yeah. I don't know. Like, you know. Like Rob, Rob thinks, Rob's like, like, I told on the, on, on fire. Yeah. I told, yeah, that I think Tony is the best survivor.

I was like, I think he's the best player. Like, I played with him. He's just a different animal out there. He won twice, so he has a resume anyways. But, and Rob said to me, he was like, you know, I saw what you said. I'm like, Rob, you know, like, you really think that I'm going to say, you're the best? Like, Tony beat me, you know what I mean? Like, you didn't beat me?

You know what I mean? Like, if anything, like, Nat beat me twice. Like, Matt, I put Nat above that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Like, I just don't see myself like that. Like, some people see themselves as like, they're the best. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just all right, man.

It's a lot of luck in this game, you know? I'd love to know from you, did doing the podcast, did that help you in any way about it? Because you had three people who also did the podcast like you did come back and play on this season. Do you feel like that, did you learn anything about Survivor

doing on fire? One thing I did learn, I mean, I learned a lot of things. Like talking to Jeff and like a lot of the background stuff that I, like, you know, you don't even pay attention to because you're so focused on the game, you know, like a lot of things. He did such a great job putting names to people's faces, you know what I mean? Like, oh, that person does this. That person, he does a great job.

I learned a lot of stuff like that. But one thing that I did, I think I figured out, like, I got, I figured out Survivor, you know? Wow. When you play, the next time you come back and play, play completely opposite. Okay. And then you, if you come back again, play completely opposite. You have to switch it up every single time because everybody's last memory of you is how you played. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So like, I don't know. Coach.

Coach plays this loyal, faithful game. This time he should just go crazy and backstab everybody and everything. Maybe that's what he's getting ready to do. If he does that, then I see him winning it. You know what I mean? I think that's what my first time I played, I played a certain way. The second time I came out, I said, I don't know what I was thinking. I'm not going to win.

So whatever. I'm just going to play and go crazy. And I did that and I won So then the next time I said I'm going to do the same thing I did last time And then I lose And what I should have done was I should have changed it up And went back to like

All right, I'm going to do this, go this path You know what I'm saying? I don't know I just feel like you always have to change it out It might not even help me Because as you said You know, no one's gonna want to sit at the end with me You know what I mean?

But maybe You know what I mean? You never know Maybe if you convince people Hey, I'm old now Yeah, I tried that, man I tried that so bad You know, I stopped working out, man

I said, I'm not going to go out there When I was on there my first time Like I went in ripped, ready to go And then the second time I was like And then they went after me because of that I'm like, I'm like Mish like you're a division one Football player You played in a big 10

Like why are you worried about me? I got kids, you know? Like I'm old And then Rock is huge A big major league baseball player Don't look at me like I'm nobody You know what I'm saying? And they went after me because I had abs, you know?

So then the next time I come out, I said, I'm not going to work out as much. So then I stop and I try to like get smaller and stuff. And then the next time I said, I got after you do even less. So I didn't do anything. I felt so weak out there for winners at war. I was like, oh, man, I needed to do something before I came out here. I was out of shame. I didn't have any wind.

Like I felt so weak, you know. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. I'm just going on to tangent, man. You know me. Listen, it's been interesting to watch everybody come back and have these issues that they're dealing with from their first game. And I always remember when the second chance interviews happened that Josh Wiggler went to go and interview everywhere. And I think that maybe you might have been his first interview. And I just remember it was the first one that I think came out. And he talked about just how loose you were coming back into the second game.

How did you avoid or at least compartmentalize whatever wounds you were dealing with from the first game? I was so, I was not in a good place, man. I was like, I was doing really bad. I was sad after I lost. I was like, like, I remember, like, I came out the game and I was like in a fog. And I met in Ponderosa. And I just said to some of the handler, I said, can you just get the, the doctor, I just need the doctor here.

And the doctor came in and I went to open the door and she walked in. And when I was walking by, I grabbed my towel and I just sat on the bed and I just wept. Like I just started crying like like a baby. You know what I mean? And after that I felt that I could talk because I couldn't even talk before then. And I came home and I said, Val, I just, I have something on me and I just, I need to get it off of me.

and when they call me to go back, I was like, I'm not going to win, but I just need to get this off of me. And all I needed to do is go out there and play. You know, like, just going there and having fun, I took that weight off of me. And that's how, that's why I felt so easy to just go and play. Like, I was just like, whatever. Like, I'm not, like, I'm going to play this idol.

You know, like, I don't care. Like, who cares? Like, before I would be like, you can't hold the idol as long as possible. Then I was like, yo, I'll do it the first day. Like, who cares? Let's get somebody out and make a big move. And I feel like just having fun.

And I don't know. I felt like that got a weight off of me and I was ready to play like that. What do you think that thing was that you had on you? And what fixed it? Was it just that you got picked by the fans? Yeah, it was just going back out there. I needed to go back out there.

Like, you see a lot of people that played once and they don't get their shot to go back. And for years, you could see them on social media saying, I need my second chance. I need to get back out there. And they never get their second chance. I'm so glad and I feel so grateful that I was able to get that second chance because I feel like that would have suck on me for a while. And it was heavy, man.

Val said that she's like, you're not who you are, you know. She said for months and months, she's like, you're just not the same person. And I didn't see it until years later. And I was like, you're right. Like, I remember not smiling as much. I remember not being happy. Like, I just had something on me that I just like, oh, like, I felt like I let everybody down. I felt like I tried so long to get on the show and I get on.

And now, like, I failed, you know? And now I, now going back, I was like, I realize I'm not going to win. It's not about winning this game. It's about just getting on there and having fun and playing. And that's what I wanted to do the second time. But it seems like that you really were dealing so hard with the loss. I'm not following how you made the leap from. I lost.

I put all this pressure on myself to then coming back and being so loose and free. It was because I knew I wasn't going to win. Yeah. Like I just needed to get back out there. I felt, listen, I should have done this. I should have, there was things that I saw that I should have been like, that's a clue.

And now I'm like, oh, now I can go back and if I see that clue, I'm getting you out. You know what I mean? So it was just like, it was, but it wasn't even about winning the second time. It was just about going back. and like fixing some of the things that I saw that I should have been on. You know what I mean?

Did you notice any sort of these wounds that people had from the first time or a previous time that they played when you were in second chance or winners at war? Did I notice other people's? I mean, yeah, like you always see like, like Fishback always like, you know, he would always talk about things that he had to fix. And like that's always a thing. You always try to go back and fix it. I just think that mine was, like, I just took it so hard.

You know, and I don't know how hard other people are taking it. You know what I mean? But I know for me, like, I was taking it super hard and I needed to fix that thing, you know? Hey, I don't know. It was bad. It was really bad. I was not myself, you know. Let me bring in for you, we got so many questions.

Everybody is so excited that you were going to be here on the podcast with us today to go through everything. Let me know from In terms of while I'm opening this up In terms of your Has doing the podcast Change the way that you watch the episode Do you take notes when you're going to be Talking about the podcast?

No, so But my first season, before I played on my first season I used to take notes Like I was crazy about it And then after that I stopped taking notes Until on fire And I'm like, all right now I have to study this thing But now I'm right back to like

I'm just watching the show Like I'm just a fan again. I just want to just watch. Like a lot of times I even forget who's on which tribe and who's in an alliance together. I'm like, I don't even remember, you know. But I'm just having fun just in the moment. I'm just a regular, regular fan. Another thing that's happened in the season, they talk about that there's these pregame alliances and people did alliances and pre-gaming.

And in Survivor 40, that people said, hey, Jared. me is part of this pregame alliance it's called the poker alliance yes yeah and that's stuck yeah it was ridiculous too it was one of the things that we did the poker thing you know Tyson

Rob Kim and myself right we did a poker thing and I don't remember who said it but it was just off the cuff like this is a good alliance it probably is Tyson it's either Tyson or Rob it's one of them too but it was was Praddy Tyson. And it was just off the cuff. And nobody, we never talked about it. Like,

it wasn't a thing. But it did get legs. You know what I mean? And that's another thing that I want to, like my second time, for second chance, I did not pregame. Yeah. And there was a lot of pregame and I said, I didn't pregame and I won. And I feel like that's the thing. So going into when is at war, I was not pregame. But that's why I think you need to flip and switch to do the opposite. And I should have pre-gamed, and then I would have been in a better shot. So if I played again,

then I would go back. Second chance, I think it was a hard season to pre-game. Because you knew the people that were on, but you didn't necessarily know who was in, I feel like that the big pre-game alliance, it was like, what was it like,

Terry and Kelly Wigglesworth and Shane and maybe Jeff Varner. Was it like... Jeff Varner? Yeah, yeah. I think, but it was like that, that never got legs. Shane didn't get on the show.

that's right that's right um who hit me up some people hit me up though yeah and i just was like you know like whatever how do you play that if somebody calls you up and is like hey like uh so we're going to the survivor right yeah yeah if i would love to play with you when we get out there that's it that's it that's it like i'm not i'm not making any promises but like when we get out there i would love to play with you you know it's gonna be fun to play with you say i'm not making any promises No, I wouldn't say that. I'm just saying to you. Like, no, I wouldn't go that.

Yeah, I think you're just like a yes to everything and don't throw out on anybody's names. Yeah. I think that's a mistake. Never do that. Never do that. But I think a mistake is saying, yo, we got this. Us four, we can just go. Like, no, I'm not doing that.

Well, don't throw out a lot. I thought that was what coach did wrong with the Riz God when he said, hey, I want to extend an invitation into you, the four horsemen alliance. I just say like, hey, I make it an alliance. It's called the Horseman Alliance, and you're in it now. Great. But what you tell me? Yeah, it should be four.

No four. Yeah, you tell them it was four. It was like, okay, well, you know, obviously I'm on the bottom of this. Yes, yeah. Okay. All right. Let's take some of these questions. And so, all right.

If this is from just in my 20, says, if Jeremy was going into season 50, in your preseason press, who would you say were your target? coming into the season. Oh, man. Who would be my target? Geez. I don't even know. You know what?

Emily. Emily is, she does so many messy things and you tell her something. Like I would want, she would spill the beans immediately and I would want her gone. But in saying that, like, I would want her. out day, I just wouldn't work with her because I would want her to blow up her alliance. You know what I mean? So, I mean, I don't know. Emily's the only person that I could think right off the jump that I'd be like, that's someone that I got to watch out for. Have you ever had any interaction with Q? No, I've never met Q. Yeah. Yeah, no. And I know Q is crazy out there as well,

but I think that Q would look at me and be like, yo, we should, we should work together. I think if I recall, I remember, you know, it was such a big deal that Q got mad at one of the other people that he played with because they said their favorite player was Mariah. But if I recall correctly, I think he said that his favorite player was you. Oh, is that right? I believe so. See, I feel that. I feel like me and Q, I think he would have, he's kind of crazy, but he would, we would work together. I don't see anything that Emily would be like, oh, I want to work at Jeremy.

Like, I don't see that happening. You know what I mean? I don't mind crazy I like I like crazy I could play with crazy I play with Abby Maria you know what I mean like I'd like crazy

but uh you know at I can just need it in I'll ask you the opposite of Mr. King wants to know who would be your top alliance members if you were on season 50 besides Charlie

Charlie I already I already said Charlie um I like a meet shield so I would definitely want like a Jonathan and Ozzy. Who else? Dee's a winner. I would probably want D with me.

Who else? I'm trying to think. Geez. I like Genevieve. I thought Genevieve was, I thought when watching her, I thought she did a really good job. I thought Genevieve would be more like a,

like I always wanted to play with Kim Spradlin. Like I loved Kim. And I wanted to play with him. And we never really got stuff going. But I could see her like a Kim's Bradley like a Michelle. You know what I mean? mean, like a gnat. Like, I could do, I could work with that. I really thought that Genevieve's story this season where I feel like in season 40, Kim's reputation, I think, was scary to people.

I think that people were afraid of Kim a little bit more. And I kind of thought that Genevieve was going to come in and have that here in season 50. And it seemed like that other than, you know, her and Aubrey were not on the same page. I thought everybody else wanted to work with Genevieve. I agree. I thought she got a bad, a bad, bad luck out there. It's too bad for sure. For sure. Okay. Find it to Witals and still going home. That's tough.

Let me ask you this question from AJ who wants to know. Who from Cambodia would you have liked to have seen on this season? Is there anybody from that cast that should have had a third chance here? From second chance, like I say all the time, Abby Maria should be on every season. She should be on it. I think was in the mix for season 50. She was, you know, I got a story for you. Yeah, good.

We love stories. So she told me, she told me because I talked to Abby. And I love Abby. Abby's great outside the game, but in the game, she's crazy, right? And she told me she was going on. And then I started talking to other people. After I got cut, I was talking to some other people, some of the casting people. And they mentioned that about Abby.

And they were like, I think Abby, we told Abby that she's not coming, going back. And I don't think she registered because Abby thought she was going back the whole time. There was a miscommunication. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's known to happen with Abby when we're out on the island. I just didn't think it was going to happen, you know, in real life.

Yeah. I think that it got very close to when they were announcing the cast, I think, was what I heard, heard. All the way to the end? She didn't know all the way to the end, huh? I'm not, again, I didn't hear directly from her, but I heard that she was like watching the early show that morning with a baited breath. That's tough. I mean, so Abby would be my number one that I would want to see.

If they think that there's a chance she didn't know, they should call her. They should call her. They should say like, hey, we just want to double check. You got that message, right? You don't want it. It's the Brazilian dragon. She's scared. Yeah. I hope they didn't like leave it on a voicemail or something. And they got to straighten that out. That's one thing they need to improve on. Okay.

All right. Is there anybody else that you would have liked to have seen on season 50 from BB 27? Venus X-Eadis. Who else? Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know, man. Would Val ever play again? Val's not playing. I would love to see Val play. She's in the gym twice the day. Come on. Yes. I would love to see Val.

Like I always say like, so this is what Val does. Like, I'll be watching Survivor and like she's walking around the house doing her thing, you know. And she'll come in and walk in and she'll say, oh, they're going home next. Oh, this distrust him. And I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about. Get out of here. And then she's right. And I'm like, yo, Val, like, what are you doing here?

Like, what do you get, you got the cliff notes or something? Like, what are we doing? I'm telling you, she's, that's the same thing at my house where we do these, like, prediction, like we study. and I'll watch every single interview. She's like, that person's winning. I was like, okay, sure. And then she gets it right.

And then she gets mad that I don't give her enough credit. And I'm like, you didn't really even do any work. You just showed up and pointed at a person. This is my life, man. You know, it's. It's my life, no. Yeah, I do the same thing.

I'm not giving you credit for that, man. Like, go on. You do a lot of good things. I give you credit for enough things. You're not getting credit for this. Like, I put it in the legwork on us. You know. Yeah.

How would Val do on the traders? I think she'd be good. Val's super smart. Val's super smart. I think the reason why Val lost in when we played Survivor, where she was out so early, is because she was listening to what I was saying. And like I was like pregame.

So what happens in you can talk in day zero, I guess it was, you know? And while we're there on the island together, I'm like, all right, don't trust this person. don't trust that person, don't trust this person. And like one of the people I said was like rocker. I'm like, yo, watch out for rocker. Like a lot of people don't know who rockers. I know who rockers.

Watch out for him. And so she went in and she was playing with him and she never trusted them. And I think she says like she's like she has a good, a good feel for people. You know what I mean? And she really does. She really does. She'll, we'll be talking to people. And then they leave and she's like, I don't like that person.

Like there's something about that person there or that she doesn't. that she doesn't vibe with and she doesn't like it. And she said, like, she would have work with Rocker. You know what I mean? She's like, you told me to work her with Keith. And I'm like, I mean, I thought he was good for like doing this and doing that. And you didn't, you know, so I'll, you know, so, but I think that's why she. Wait, she is.

But she said that rocker was good, was good vibes. No. She said, well, I said don't trust her. She said that she would have played with him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, you know, once he starts, you know, putting out that.

you know, uh, Jeremy, I talked to Jeremy and we're good. Yeah. She still didn't trucking, you know what I mean? And I think if I didn't say anything, she would have been like, all right, let's play. You know what I mean? Because she, her and rocker, I mean, I don't know how much they talk now, but they used to talk all the time. They were like, her, rocker, Nadia, like they were really close.

You know what I mean? It's just, you know, Ponderosa, it's just weird. But rocker, I mean, aside from like how crazy rockers, We all know how crazy rocker is. Off his locker. But when he, when you talk to him, he's like, he's like good. He's a good person like one on one. You know what I'm saying?

Like I don't know how he is with a lot of other people. But when he's talking to me, he's good one on one. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Like I don't know. Yeah. But I feel like that's how Val should have, Val would, Val has good instinct, you know? Yeah.

I mean, she married me. You know, that's true. That's true. You know? But I think she would have been, I think she would have been, I think she would have would do good on all these game shows. Yeah, I think that Nicole, too, uh, would be very much, like with the, with the vibes, uh, she's very much like, uh, I don't like that person. That person is bad. And a lot of times she'll tell me, uh, I don't like that person. Like, whoa. Yeah.

What do you want me to do? Same thing. Yes. Yes. That's what I say. You know, like, I can't do anything about it. You know, but she's very much. That's the same person wrong. Yeah. But the same person. Pretty much. You just need two daughters. That's what you need. You know, I would be such a good girl dad, I think. You know, boy dad, I think I am, you know, like I don't want to, you know, be too hard on myself. But, you know, I think that, I think you might have me beat there.

But I think I would be, Steve, Stephen is a really great girl dad. Is he? Yeah. He's a. I never see him with his kids. You know what I mean? Like, I never see Stephen anymore, man. He doesn't, he doesn't come and visit.

He doesn't call. He doesn't write. Yeah, I don't see him that much. I talk to him a lot. Yeah, I don't. He needs to stop that. He needs to be a better friend. He's making a mistake. She says, who do you think is playing a Jeremy game this season?

I think, you know, I'm hoping. This is what I hope for. I hope that Christian gets to the end and then springs on, Oh, I have a kid. I have a son. You know, like, you guys don't know this, but I have a kid and all I'm doing this all for him. And I'm like, yes, Christian, that's what I want.

That's my dream. Can that happen? That's what I want to see. Yeah, that'd be pretty amazing. And I don't think anybody knows. I don't think he's told anybody yet, right? No. That's the key.

You can't tell anybody anything. Can his wife come on for a family visit and whisper in his ear? They don't do the family visit. What if she writes in the letter? Well, they might do a family visit because it's as a... I guess so. I did see in the preview. Surrey was crying.

And I was wondering, what's making Surrey cry? Do you have any theories? This is a family visit. The fans vote for that. Family visit is so cool. I love the family visit. The fans did not vote for that, I will say. You did?

That wasn't a vote. Oh, it wasn't? Oh. I know. The family visit on season 40. Sure. You know, that was. They can't top it now. Oh, God.

You can't top that. That was so fun. That was such a great day. Oh, my God. Like, I still have pictures and I still look at the pictures of the kids on the beach and everything. We had such a good time. It was such a great day. That was cool.

Why do you think Surrey is crying? Um, I don't know. know. Letters? I don't know. Think letters? No. You think so? I don't think so.

Serri's hardcore. She's not going to let letters get her going. Somebody get hurt? Um, I don't know. There's something that's going to happen. Like, I don't know. I don't even want to, I don't even want to guess. You know, like, I just, I don't know.

Like, it could be anything. But, like, I feel like she's so tough that something small, like, like something in a challenge isn't going to do it, right? I don't think so. She's seen it all. And we don't, historically, I cannot remember another moment

in Survivor history where Surrey is really just like crying like that. In any show, right? No. In Trader, she didn't. Big brother probably. That's a long,

but that's just because that's, you know, how horrible Big Brother is for her. but yeah I don't really I can't imagine what it would be do you have any interactions with Surrey over the years no I think I met her one time yes but yeah no I never that's wild to me like I don't really there's not a lot of people on this season that

that I've actually had like conversations with you know what I mean like you know like even Kyle Kyle Kyle like we played fantasy football but like I've never really met Kyle yeah you know what I mean like what about it Luigi's Pizza when he was so nervous that you were there. Did he not talk to you that day? I don't even, was he there. I don't even remember him being there.

He was there. He was one of the, he's like, oh, my God. I don't even remember. There's so many people there. I don't remember him being there. Yeah. Yeah? Oh, I don't even remember that. Cut this out so Kyle doesn't hear this part.

I know, right? In my defense, like I came from work. Say that you remember seeing him there. Okay. Edit this. Sorry. Oh, yeah, Kyle was there. That's right.

I remember me to him. It was during his season. He had to keep a low profile. I had my work fire gear on, and I raced over there, and I had like an hour. And I said, let me just come over. Say what's up. I just wanted to see you. You know what I mean?

I wanted to see you and talk to me. And I said, let me get out of here. I can't stay long. I got to go, you know. That's what I said into traders. I was like, listen, I got to get out of here. I can't stay long. I got to get home.

How did you like traders, though? I loved it. I loved it. And you were a great resource to, uh, to, you know, provide some insight to me. Don't say great. I was okay because if I was great, you would have lasted longer. I mean, anything that went wrong for me had nothing to do with you. I had, the traders is so fun.

I'm glad you had a good time. Like I wanted to see you out there longer than that. but I thought I mean, you're too good for it, man. You're too good for the show. You're too smart. You're too talented. You would say to really keep an eye on the cars

that everybody is getting that. And I tried to, but it is very hard of like, oh wait, which car were you in? Who were those people that were there? Yeah, yeah. But then it's a big deal in terms of like which cars do you get into to go to the missions and stuff.

Yes. That is a big deal. It is a big deal. You want to think about that. So all future traders, they need to pay attention to. You guys got the new cars, though. Those are nice. Oh, yeah.

That I didn't notice that they were. We didn't have those. Yeah. We did not have those. Oz was janky and like, they were not good. They were not good at all. There was no AC, no heat. Like, it was just, it was bad.

Okay. They were bad. And you need to heat more than the AC, I think, most of the time. Oh, it was, how, was it really that cold out there? I mean, again, not that I was there for super long, but maybe it got warmer after I left. It was free. Same thing with me.

It could have got warmer, but it was freezing. I'll tell you, when I was in that casket, like, one thing I didn't want to do was I was like, I don't want to go in a casket. You know what I mean?

Like my general rule. Yeah. I do anything. I don't want to be in a gasket, you know? That night, I was in that casket, and I told them,

I said, they opened it at one point and they said, how are you? Are you? okay, I said, just close it. Like, it's so cold out there, and it's so warm in here. Just close it.

I'm fine. Yeah. And I just, I just chilled out in there. Leave me in my casket. Yeah. And they really hammered that, nailed. They nailed it shut for me. Yes, it was really nailed shut.

Okay. Because I tried it. I went like this. I opened it. I poked at it, and it didn't move. Mm-hmm. Let me ask you about, lots of talk about lines. lines in the sand in this episode.

How real is that from Ben Gregory? I think that's pretty real. I think it's fluid, you know what I mean, depending on the player, but I think it's real. Like if you want, if there's a battle out there and you want to go in after somebody,

that's a real thing, you know what I mean? I think good players shouldn't be like that, though. I feel like you should be like, like, don't go after this person yet. You know what I mean? Get them when they at least expect it.

I don't want you to know that we have a war. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's where we made a mistake with me and Josh in season 29. Like we should have, like everybody knew we were going at each other. You know what I mean? And we shouldn't have done that, you know? And then I take out Josh and then they take out me out. And I'm like, we should have worked together.

You know, I feel like don't draw any lines in the sand. It should be like, you know, lines all over the place so that no one knows which line to step over and which lines getting crossed. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, Tony had it right with the lions and the hyenas. Tony. Are we talking about Tony? Yeah, you say he's the best player that has ever played Survivor.

We can talk about it. I talk to Tony all the time. I talk to Tony all the time. He is right, though. Lions and there is a hierarchy. You know what I mean? There is a hierarchy. And people, whether it's right or wrong, you know what I mean?

Because, you know, a hyena could get a lion. You know what I mean? So, like, it shouldn't be like that. But there are perceptions of lines and hyenas. And so he is right about that, you know. You don't want a hyaena. Jeremy, of course, of course I'm right. Hey, how many days in a week are there, Jeremy?

I watch them. I'm right. Five days out of the week. He's so ridiculous, yeah. There's, that you're not, it's not a work week, Tony. Like, what are you talking about? You don't go home on the weekends here, Tony. What are we talking about? the game 26 days because they just don't count the weekends anymore.

That's what all they did. That's all right. I love that dude, man. Tony's crazy. I talk to him all the time. Yeah. Good. Well,

I'm happy to hear that. I thought after Winters of War, maybe you guys weren't so good. But I'm happy to hear that you guys are. So after winning at war, we were okay. You know what I mean? Like Tony's like, Tony's just, I get him. You know what I'm saying? And like he had my back a lot of times that winners at war.

And then at one point he was like, all right, it's time to, I can't do this anymore, you know? Like, he saved me a couple times, you know? In fact, I thought I was saving him. My time, I was like, Tony, you know, they're coming after you now. Like, you saved me. Now I'm trying to save you. And he was like, no, that's not happening, you know. But then we went to traders and like, I wanted to get them back.

I really did. I was like, Tony, I'm going to get you, you know. But they were playing and I'm like, you know, I like Tony, man. Like, he's like, I get him, you know. Like, we just go back and forth. We have a good, good rapport going back and forth. We play and joke around. And I don't know.

Tony's, I talked to him more than I should. Like, Tony, last week, I probably talked to him two times last week alone. Yeah, I talked to him all. And, you know, he's my guy. That's my dude. I love Tony also. You know, I don't talk to him like you do, but I'll text with him once in a while. And just like the stuff he comes up with is just off the wall.

He's so funny, man. so funny. Some of the hairbrain schemes that he has that just blow up. And like, you think on Survivor, he does things that like are just crazy. He does stuff like that in real life. Like I'm like, you know, he'd be like, yo, you got to check this out. You got to do this with me. And I'm like, hold on. He's like, you got to do this with me. And I'm like, Tony, I'm not doing that. That's crazy. And then you'll call me there. And he'd be like, yeah, it was a good call. You shouldn't have done that. I'm like, Tony's why. I'm man. He's just crazy. He's just crazy.

This is a question from, let me take this one from Sophia. We saw a lot of mistakes from D in this episode. What was her fatal move in the whole season? I don't know if we saw a lot of mistakes from D. Where did he go wrong? Wasn't it just the one move that she told Emily? Mm-hmm.

About, who was it? Was it about Rizzo? Rizzo. That was it, you know, that you could see. In fact, the episode before that, I said, which is always the kiss of death, because if I say you're playing well, you're probably going to be gone the next episode. But I said, these looking good. She's in a good spot. Yeah.

And right away, she said that to Emily and Rizzo heard it. And then everything went downhill from that. So I don't know about all the other things she did behind the scenes or everything, but that was like the biggest move that everyone was like, oh, we can't. trust her. Do you think she could have done anything differently? Not tell Emily. Like, don't tell Emily anything. Like, what are we doing? I'm not telling Emily anything. Like, like, why are we doing this? But she told a lot of people about that idol. She told everybody else. She told she told she told Camilla. I think she told Camilla. I think she told Jonathan. Tiff. She told Tiffany. She told Tiffany. Yeah. And Emily. Yeah, because Camilla

was gone. Yeah. Tiff was, Camilla was gone. Did she tell Camilla? She did before. Because I asked Camilla about who was Camilla lying to when we saw Charlie tell her about Rizzo's idol and then Rizzo telling her about the idol. She said she was lying to both of them. Dee already had told her before

either of them told about the idol. Wow. Wow. But Camilla didn't say anything. She's good liar. She kept that. She's good. Yeah, okay. So, I mean, yeah, she did tell a lot of people. But I mean, Jonathan didn't say, anything, right? Jonathan did not turn to Rizzo, certainly. And Tiffany didn't, so I think the biggest

thing was Emily. What do you make about this season where it seems like that we're picking on Emily that she's telling all the information. Nobody can keep a secret in this season. I know, everybody's talking. Everybody's talking. I don't like it, man. I don't like it at all. So who has a, does Stephanie have something now that

nobody knows about? Yes, she has the steel vote, like Stephen. Okay, so that's good. but no Sarri knows about that though right she told Surrey about it

and then Sarri told Rizzo Sarri said she told Riz God she told Riz God they'll tell Ozzy you I bet yeah

when I in when is that war I told people some things and it came back and bit me and for a second chance I wasn't telling

certain things I was like I don't have an idol I'm sitting I'm sitting in the in the hammock and Spencer sitting next to me and our legs are touching, right? I have my pants on my, my idol is in my cargo pants pocket touching Spencer's leg. Yeah. And what he's like, you could have an idol.

And I'm like, yeah, but that's crazy talk. You know what I mean? Like, like, so like I wasn't saying anything. And I think that's, that's a big part of Survivor. That's why I don't like the new part of Survivor where you have to like bring somebody in in order to get an idol and stuff like that. don't like all that. Yeah. They had that in Winners Award, too, right? Where you found an idol. You had to tell somebody.

I don't remember that. Yeah, because I remember that Kim found an idol and then she had to tell Sophie. I remember Sophie was like, you shouldn't have told me that. Oh, really? See, I don't even remember that. I think in the pre-merge. I don't remember, I don't think it was like that in the post-merge. Oh, okay.

Like Adam told Denise, I think, also that he had an idol. Yeah. Yeah, see, that's not good. You don't tell anybody. You know, you don't want to keep everything to yourself. Yeah. You know, I wanted to tell fishback about the idol. And, uh, but isn't it so much better that I could just play it for them instead of telling

them, you know? Yeah, that was good. That was a good moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That was fun.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, how about, if you did play again, this is a question from Alex with a bunch of exes. Since the winners were given a little to no chance. Do you think that you would have a chance to win the game if you played again? Would you have to only play with other winners? Could you come back in a season with some of these losers?

Yeah, I don't think I win, man. I just don't think, I think the last time I played and I think people are going to be like, yo, don't go to the end with Jeremy, you know? Yeah. And with having people on with me that, like, come on, like Tony and they're all winners anyways. You know, Tony, Sandra, you know, like people that won twice.

You're looking at me when you have Rob out here. Like, come on. And people are saying, don't go to the end with Jeremy. That's crazy, you know? So if I can't win, if I can't go to the end because people are afraid of me at the end with winners at war, I think I just, you know, like I'm just in it to get towards the end. And then I go out. So what do you do? Just wait for Traders, All-Stars?

Traders. That would be fun. Listen, man. I would love to play on Traders again. I thought traders was so fun. Yeah. But I think I could, Traitors' All-Stars, I'm still fine.

Like, I'm still fine in that realm. You know what I mean? Like, I still have a shot. You know, I think I have a pretty good reputation. I think you have a great reputation. I think, you know, it would be cool. You know, I didn't do anything crazy out there.

I wasn't like scheming and stuff and saying like, oh, I'm going to kill everybody. You know, like, I don't know. I think I'd be all right. See, I would, it would be a stretch for me to imagine you as a traitor, though. Isn't that good? That is good. Could you do it?

I don't know. I don't know. When they ask you, though, did you want to be a traitor or you wanted to be a faithful? I'm not answering this question because what happens if I get a call, you know what I mean? Then people are going to come back and look at this and say, oh, I remember what Jeremy said. No, no. I did tell them. I said, yo, I want to be a traitor.

I do want to be a traitor. I do want to be a traitor. And I wanted power. Like, I know when you're not a traitor, you're not a traitor, you're, you're, you're, You're a sitting duck. Oh, yeah. Tell me about. I wanted some power in the game.

I don't know if I could be a, I don't know if I would be a good trader. I don't know. Yeah. But somebody has a question. What are your thoughts on the Mike Vrable, Diana Rossini story? You don't have to get into that.

Do you know any haikus? I was sitting there watching him, watching coach, and I'm like, Mike Vrable. Like, I'm trying to go back into elementary school, and I'm like, was it 557 or 575-7-5? Like, I couldn't remember how it goes. I do not know any haiku.

I do not know any haecudes. Like, no, man, I don't do that. You know me better than that. Okay. Chris Roberts wants to know, what name would you want the Tidewalker to give you? The who? Coach nicknamed himself the Tidewalker.

Did you give you, did anybody ever give you a nickname in Survivor? Um, I don't think. so um yeah i don't think so yeah uh tony Tony says calls me pepper because he's salt what that didn't really catch on salt and pepper no he didn't get but he says it all the time um yeah i don't know i didn't ever got a nickname hey pepper hey dr pepper I got that big eye. I got the, Hey,

Jeremy, what you said. You know, I think I'm not the best player. How many do you have on it? Jeremy, listen, you got to play with,

where's my call for the traders? I've been the best trade of all time. Now, no, Jeremy. take it from me find the joy find the joy jeremy

who else who else you want how many do you have I got I got a well what a guy you do a good better you do a good better

you do a good better yeah we got we got we got everybody so I don't have you I don't have you here you did somebody and I gave you a hard time but you do a good

Those ones, you're all right. I'll give you that. Yeah. I forget who it was that you did that I gave you a hard time with. Yeah, I'm trying to... Do you remember? Jeremy. Where was my invite for season 50?

Okay. Well, what else is on your mind? Anything? What else? Here's one. I'm trying to think. I wanted Army to play. Mason says,

multiple references to Keith Nail this season. What was your favorite moment with him on or off the show? Rick Devin's, who I like, didn't miss quote Keith recently on one of the episodes. What do you say? He said, it was close. The spirit was there,

but he said that, oh, Survivor is like a cruise. He kind of like, you know, mixed up the Keith nail quote. Tag mode, yeah,

what do you say? Cruise is a fun, right? He said, going on a cruise is fun. Yeah, yeah. Survive is not fun.

That's what you say, too. It survives, not fun. Yeah. It used to be fun, but once you play it a couple of times and now it's just painful.

Yeah. Keith, me and Keith, we had a lot of good times just like sitting around the fire and just talking like, like, it's like at the firehouse. You know what I mean?

Like, we, he was cool. We never, ever played together. Like, I would try to play with Keith, and he would never want to play with me, and we'd never got on the same page. But we always had, like, like a cool relationship back and forth.

And then when we got, when I got to, what is it? It was, when he came into Ponderosa on season, on our first season, um, I came and brought him a beer right away. And I said,

said, Keith, I'm getting you lit up, dude. Keith was so drunk that night. I just kept hitting him beers. He was drinking and he didn't know. I would check it and make sure when it was low, when his beer was low, and I would make sure I would pass him a new one every time. And he didn't even catch on. And I got him so drunk that night.

He was legless, man. He was gone. Absolutely gone. They needed to help him back to a new one. road, man. How long have he been out of the game? I think it was like, because he was gone late, so it was only a couple of days left in the, in the show. So it was that first night, I believe. It might have been the second. It had to be the first night because I gave him the beer and I just kept going. And yeah, so the first night

that he was out, I got him lit up so good, man. Oh, I was cracking up. Oh. Yeah. I feel like I heard a few different stories from people about Keith Nail, Ponderosa. And the guy was not at Ponderosa for very long. I think he came in, what, he was like fourth place and fifth place. So he had max like three days at Ponderosa, and I think I heard a lot of Keith Nail Ponderosa stories. What about the next time he played?

What about in a second chance? So he was, he came in, he was right there at the end. He was fourth with Sam Wondell Sur. And I think he was fifth when you were still out there. He does a lot in short of. pound out of time. That's what I'm saying. He really made the most of

a lot of people come in and they just want to like go shower and and like rest, you know, to go lay down on a mattress and he didn't, I remember he was just drinking. He was hanging out with us, you know? For that first day, he just wanted some beer in him.

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why. He does, he parties, man. He just goes. Yep. Jeremy, was there. Is there anything else that you watch on TV that you and Val are checking out? or you just had all these watching all these

games for your kids No, not really I mean like What's your favorite show? I'm all into sports man I do the Mark Madness and all that stuff We were into the floor though We were watching the floor

Yeah, yeah What's your category on the floor? Oh my category on the floor would be Had there to be someone with sports though How about NBA players? Oh, no, because I'm not even good with the recent NBA players.

I could do NBA players in the 90s. 90s NBA players. You just show them on the screen. Yeah, I can do that. Okay. Dekembe Metambo. Oh, easy. Olden Polonies.

You won't even know who olden polices. You know what I mean? I don't. I probably would also do better with NBA players from the 90s than NBA players now. Yeah, I don't know these guys nowadays. These kids. Is there any scripted show that you've watched recently?

Um, no, uh, I, you know, I go to work and in the downtime, we just watch like movies and stuff. And then at the firehouse, they have like whatever game is on. Yeah, yeah, basically. Or like Jeopardy or something like that. Jeopardy or something like that. I mean, yes, like, we'll have fortune in jeopardy. I don't know why at my firehouse. That's it, that's, before dinner, that's what's on TV every single time. Yes. Okay. Is there one? In South Park. South Park. I'm like, why are we watching South Park guys? Like, come on.

Start us off, man. It's just like, oh, then I'd just go upstairs and watch some crazy movie. Yeah. Is there one jeopardy category, though, that you see it and you get excited? No. 90s. NBA players. No, man, I'm not even like, I catch things here and there.

You know what I mean? Like whenever it's quiet and I'll be like, you know, like Queen Elizabeth. And they'd be like, what the? But I put in the form of a question. And I'm like, I'm not for the day. Yeah. All right. Well, check out Jeremy and Val on the mic'd-in podcast.

And hear what's going on. And I'm going to push Nicole to keep listening because it's that she's... Yes. Yes, because Dominic and Anthony, they could be... Yeah. We don't know where they're going to be. You know what I mean? They could be Division I in something in some sport.

We don't know, but we just got to just keep pushing that to the... That's the dream that she could be. beyond the sidelines for that she was going to have sons that were star baseball players. Really? Yes. I like that. I like baseball, though, huh? Baseball is number one.

She takes them to the hitting cages and the batting cages. And I love that. I love that, man. I love that. You know, it's just she loves it. It's not my favorite thing in the world to be on the, like, I'm a little bit like, Hey, could I be listening to a podcast right now? You would have frown upon that, right?

I do. What if I'm listening to your podcast when I'm watching my kids play a little league? No, we actually liked that. We had a call from somebody the other day that said, oh, I was at practice, at basketball practice, and I would just listen to your podcast. It was great. Listen, I think that sports are so healthy for kids.

And even if, you know, they don't go, you know, to the next level and next level, I think everybody should be playing it. They get a lot out of it. And I think the worst thing for sports, for youth sports, is the parents. And that's kind of what we're trying to do. We're trying to, like, school some of these parents on, like, this isn't, you don't have to take it so seriously. You know what I mean?

Like, you don't know how many times I had to, like, you guys don't see this in me much, you know, the survivor and the traders fans and stuff. They don't see this at me. But the people around here know me and see me how. like energetic and like like I'm loud. I believe, you know, and I'll, if a parent isn't,

if a parent is doing too much, like I'm not afraid to, to scold the parent. You know what I mean? Like, like I've done that many times. And I feel like I'm always in the right. And people have come to me and say,

you're right about that. Like they need to stop. And that's, that's kind of what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to like, like it's not that serious guys. like just let these kids have fun. I used to say all the time,

like I would coach my daughters, and I grabbed the parents and I say, listen, I'm, and this is kind of like a speech I do for all the parents anytime I have a new group of kids. I say, my job is to make your child fall in love with this sport. Because at some point,

there's going to be a coach that is going to make them hate it. Wow. And they're going to want to quit. But because we all, fell in love with the sport together, they're going to be like, I can't quit the sport. I love this sport, you know? And that's my job to have these kids fall in with the sport. So we have so much fun. And I have, I have handshakes with all my athletes that I coached. Like from like 23-year-old girls that I coach when they were eight, if I see them, we still have the handshake. You know what

I mean? So like I, the boys that I have, all my, the eight-year-olds, the nine-year-olds, the 10-year-olds, we all have the handshake. And I try to make it fun. I yell a lot. I, I yell a lot. I, in practice. I'm joking, I'm laughing and I'm just trying to make it fun for everybody. You know what I mean? And that's, I love this stuff. This is what I hope I can do with you because that these people

on Winners at War, they made you fall out of love with Survivor. And there was a point where you were in love with this game, Jeremy. You need to get back there. You might have something there. You need to make you fall back in love.

You might have something. And we're going to do the handshakes and we're going to get you back. That is, that's very, that could be a thing. That could be a thing. There's a lot of people on Winters at War that like rub me the wrong way. Still to this day, like I'm still like, I'm not over it. Like I'm like, yeah, why do you do that? Like, why do you do you, you know?

It's the odd times you play that get a thing on you and then the even times you play that you go back and you get it off. You just got to stop after an even time. I'm getting too old for that though that's what they always say in the fourth one I shaved so you can't really see because I had the shape of work but when I grow up my beer

all saw and pepper oh like you went to Tony here you go yeah all right all right Jeremy thank you so much I'm gonna send you the book the tribe and I spoke everybody else you have to go to robes

a book dot com I want to support you man I'll buy you support me by being here today I don't know. Okay? All right. All right. Thank you all so much for checking this out. Check out the mic in pod support Jeremy and Val. They're doing great stuff for all of these, the kids and the parents. So check that out. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.

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