RHAP: We Know Survivor - Jesse Lopez Talks Survivor 50 Ep 10

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

Jesse Lopez Talks Survivor 50 Ep 10 Rob Cesternino welcomes Survivor 43’s Jesse Lopez to break down the episode’s biggest swings and most unexpected crossovers. This special recap dives straight into the chaotic Tribal Council featuring a high-stakes MrBeast coin flip twist, a moment that puts both the gameplay and the cast’s nerves to the test. Rob and Jesse are together in-person, bringing their trademark banter, strategic insights, and plenty of behind-the-scenes Survivor family stories to the table. This episode unpacks the ripple effects of MrBeast’s unprecedented cameo on Survivor 50. Jesse shares how his own son, Gio, became a MrBeast video champion, winning half a million dollars, and how the crossover hits close to home. The hosts dissect Survivor 50’s shifting alliances, singular idol plays, and the mounting influence of the $2 million prize reveal so deep in the game. The conversation hits on Jonathan’s unpredictable gameplay arc, Rizo’s underdog journey, Cirie’s powerful yet risky social game, and whether the presence of “honor and integrity” players like Joe still makes sense amid evolving strategies. Key moments discussed include: – The coin flip twist brought by MrBeast at Tribal Council and its polarizing impact on the vote – Rick Devens’ leap into Survivor legend status after risking it all, and winning, on a 50/50 gamble – Cirie’s quiet control of her tribe and why so many big names trust her, despite her threat status – How the $2 million twist may force players like Rizo to reconsider loyalty and make the season’s biggest move – Pondering who from this cast could crossover into MrBeast’s world or make a game-changing betrayal As the game edges closer to the finale, Jesse and Rob speculate who has the nerve to backstab an ally for two million dollars, and whether Cirie can keep her grip on the game. With family letters, evolving alliances, and chaotic advantages in play, anything can happen in Survivor 50’s thrilling endgame. Tune in to hear why this week’s MrBeast coin flip isn’t just a twist. It might be the move that changes Survivor forever! 0:00 Jesse Lopez Joins in Studio 4:38 Gio’s $500,000 MrBeast Win 7:10 MrBeast Coin Flip Twist Debated 12:02 Rick Devens Earns Survivor Legend Status 18:08 Would You Ally With Cirie? 24:04 Jonathan’s Rollercoaster Survivor 50 Journey 29:27 Aubry Struggles to Find Her People 37:09 The $2 Million Twist’s Impact 54:55 Pre-gaming and Reunion Tension Preview 1:00:00 MrBeast’s Actual Auction Involvement 1:10:12 Who From 50 Fits Beast Games 1:16:22 Was the Coin Flip Reward Too Big? 1:31:03 Blood vs. Water Casting Rumors 1:45:04 Survivor 50 Endgame Predictions To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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But Laura shopped on Amazon and saved on cleaning spray, countertop wipes, and fly traps. Hey, fruit flies, your baby boom ends here. Save the Everyday with Amazon. Hey, everybody, what's going on? Rob Cisternino, back with you. And we have a special guest with us here in the studio. So much of what I have to do on the podcast is I am always. talking with people who are not in my home, but it's always a thrill when this person stops by

here. My local survivor friend is here. Unfortunately, he's not on survivor 50, which is really bums us all out. Yes. Here's Jesse Lopez. Jesse, how are you? I am good, Rob. I'm so happy to be here. Yes. I was actually thinking on the drive over, like, how special it is. Like, I may not have one Survivor, but I am like one of the only people that gets to do this with you. Get to come here. And it's really, I think it's been a while since you've been here to do the podcast. I want to say it was maybe the night of the Survivor 46 finale. Was that way?

Yes. And what a night that was a traumatic night for a lot of people. And I think that was the last time. And we were like in the corner over here. And so I've really, I've gone through a lot of different evolutions of trying to interview you in this room. And this is now, I think that we're sort of landing

on what the permanent solution is, even though we are split screen, if you're watching the video, we are in the same room. See? Jesse, it's just that... I can prove it. Yes.

Yeah, let's prove. Jesse has a feastables, okay? And now I have the feastables, okay? It's not... We are in the same room. This is not any trick. I have a book. The Tribe and I've spoken coming out everywhere on Tuesday at robinsbook.com.

And now Jesse has the book. Now I have a book. Jesse was one of the first people to have the book. I do, by the way. Yes, yes. My wife is enjoying it. I am getting through it. I have been busy with work.

Yes. But my wife has been enjoying it. She doesn't read very much books, but she's reading this one and she's been saying how fun it is. Yes. Okay. By the way, Sam, let me know in the private chat what the volume level is between, I hate in the comments when people are like, like, oh, this person is louder than the other people.

So I want to make sure that we're doing okay on that front also. Okay. Sam says Jesse's a little bit lower. Hey, no time. No time like the present to tell me. Let's make some adjustment. Okay. Let's see what we can do here.

Okay. All right. So I'm so excited to get the chance to talk to you about Survivor 50. We haven't gotten to talk much about all of this. But first, how's everything going? Good? Good. Good.

Life is good. You know, just working. kids. A lot of soccer practice. A lot of soccer practice. My kids are very much in a soccer right now. We got to hang out in Atlanta when we went to the Ron Clark Academy. We actually, yeah, we hung out more in Atlanta than we do. And then it was, there were questions asked of why do you go to Atlanta to hang out when you could hang out any time. We could have breakfast whenever we wanted Rob here.

but we did fly to Atlanta to have breakfast. Yeah, you know, I really can't. Like, I really, like, we're busy. Like, we have, like, work and stuff. Like, like, on the weekend, where are we going to go? Like, I'm going to brunch with Jesse, everybody. Maybe I just need to surprise you more. Like, maybe I just need, like, come over.

I don't know that Nicole would like that. Nicole does not tend to love a surprise pop-in. Just be like, hey, Rob, what you know? She doesn't, or as we call that the Mr. Beast of, just like, hey, guess who's here? Like, Nicole, you know how you said you love chaos? Well, welcome to the house Jesse Lopez. Flip a coin, I'm taking Rob with me if it lands on heads.

Yeah. So, okay, we'll get into all of those things. And of course, you have a very special relationship with Mr. Beast. Very special connection. Where not only did your son, Gio, compete on Mr. Beast's YouTube channel and won on Mr. Beast YouTube channel, but you also competed in Beast Games season two. That's like a footnote, man. Like if you blink, you miss me kind of deal.

I think the bigger connection is my son. And I will say, like watching, we can get into the episode and the excitement of it, but I will say that watching it with my family last night, seeing Jimmy show up on Survivor 50 was, I will say, like the one time this season where I was like, God, like I kind of wish I was out there. Would you have flipped the coin? That would have been you. Oh, I would have flipped the coin. You would have flipped the coin. I would have to flip the coin. Yeah. Yeah, I was so excited to see Jimmy there. I think that it is, it was very special. Like, Survivor has changed my life in a lot of ways. It's a lot of what I have in my life is because of Survivor.

I didn't win the million dollars, but I got like that safety net from SIA and from the money that I got in my placement. And then it opened up the opportunity for my son to be a part of these Mr. Bees videos and to eventually win. Like my 12 year old won like half a million. Like he has no idea the sort of way that he's just changed his life through Mr. Beast. And so seeing Mr. Beast survivor all at once, it was very emotional, very fun to see. For anybody who maybe doesn't know the backstory there, can you tell people what, what Geo did to win? $500,000 on Mr. Beast? Yes, my 12-year-old son, he got invited, he's competed in three different videos, but the last

video that he competed in, he spent seven days in a circle. There were 100 people, 99 of them were basically adults, grown adults, in their own circles, and then they competed in challenges. That involved, like, a balance beam. These were, like, physical challenges. These were not, like, they were skill-based. You had these guys who were doing, like, handstand push-ups, and then you had my 12-year-old there who was like screaming, I've played these games before. Yeah, he got in their heads. Yeah, he got in their heads.

And it came down to him and another adult in this like paintball shoot off. And he won half a million dollars. And so just insane. Like I can't even process that still. But yeah, so Mr. Beast changed my family's life. Survivor changed my family's life. And to see them cross over has been just. And honestly, here's a little bit of like backstory that like,

makes this whole Survivor 50 Mr. Bees connection even stranger for me is like, I did my 50 casting interview on Zoom with Jeff and Matt Van Wagonin and the producers at the Mr. Beast studio while my son was filming that video. And they're like, tell us of this Mr. Beast to me speak of. It might have been like that they saw Jimmy in the background of my casting interview for 50 and then they real them. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah. But very, very, very strange. very weird connections that are happening. It is weird connections. And what did you think of the Mr. Beast visit from last night? I think that there were a lot of people that were very nervous about this. People were nervous. Very nervous.

Not nervous. Let's just be real. Like they were angry about this. And I don't think that Jimmy himself was very intrusive. Like he was not, he was very muted. And I think that the twist that he brought was very fitting for like a Mr. Beast kind of thing. I think that he tends to do, other than like, so like, you know, we have all these Jimmy Fallon twists, these Billy Elish boomering idol twists that don't really like have any connection to who

these people are. Like is Billy Elish Australian? Is that why it's a boomering idol? I don't believe Billy Elish is Australian. Okay. Yeah. So there's like no connection. But this one like actually seems very fitting for Mr. Bees to bring in this twist.

Like he often in his videos has like moments where he's like, if you take this risk, you can like double your price pot or it'll add $100,000 to the. the prize you're competing for. So this felt very fitting. I thought it was very fun. I thought he was very laid back, which I think people were worried about him being too much in it.

Yeah, I do think that this twist did really fit into the ethos of Mr. Beast, which is a lot of like, are you willing to risk blah, blah, blah, for the chance to win this? And I think that that really was a great use of that idea here in the Mr. Beast, Super Beware Advantage.

It was a little bit of a long name. I think we could have just called it a Mr. Beast Beware advantage. The Super Beware just got a little action. Yeah. How about the Beastware advantage? Beastware. You know, you don't like that? I think that was pretty good.

No? We can workshop it. Yeah. But yeah, I think it made for a fun episode. With that said, I would never do it again. Like, don't do it again. Don't do it again. I feel like that they really, they got lucky because it was going to be such an exciting

tribal council. And it would have just been, okay. Show's over. Good night, everybody. Rick Devins, you lose. And what was going to happen? We'll never know. Yeah, no, but also,

that's the chaos of Mr. Beast. It could have gone very bad. And I think they got the best case scenario there. Oh, far and away. They got absolutely the best case scenario on all fronts. Of that Rick Devons was there. I think if somebody had to go to rocks and somebody had to do it against their will.

They had to go rocks and it was Surrey. Yes. And they flipped it going. And it's right. Turn the house down. Yeah. It's like, all right, season's over, you run. So they played with fire, but much like Rick Devin.

So they flipped the coin and like, hey. They landed the plane. It was fun. It was fun. But I do think I would hate to see anybody go home on a coin flip. I feel like that goes against. Yeah. Like, I love Survivor.

Like, and I love Survivor because I feel like it is all about, like, it's about the elimination mechanism is like always the same. It's like you're voting someone out. And so there is always a way to flip the vote. whether you lose your vote, whether you're swap screwed. Like, you can still fight and try and sway things to go your way because at the end of the day, it comes down to a vote and there's like social dynamics there. I don't ever want to see anybody go home. Yeah.

On a coin flip and survive. You know, in a season with 24 players, I don't mind it as much, but I want it to be that somebody will flip the coin. Okay, if they want. And again, I like that Rick volunteered. I wouldn't like it if somebody drew a rocket. out of a bag, but it should, tribal council should not have been canceled. Then it should have been, then,

and then, Rick will flip the coin, and then somebody will get voted out after that if he loses. So he loses, he goes home, and then we still do another round. And guess what? Rick's gone, and now it's time to vote. Yeah, I'd still hate it. Like, I'd still hate it.

Like, if it had gone any other way, I would hate it. Because I really do think, like, if I wanted to watch people get eliminated by, like, a coin flip or like a challenge or like something like that I would watch another show like Survivor has always been about like you get voted out. I think we kind of dodged this like bullet really in 41 and 42 with the do or die flip. Yeah. The do or die stuff. And like that like and the feedback was bad then. But we really got best case scenario. But do or die was also not an opt in. Doer die was that whoever is comes in

last in the challenge. You got to opt in to the challenge. Yeah. In 41 and 42. And then who whoever came in last of the people that opted into the challenge had to do, do or die. Yeah, but I guess then this would have been worse if they didn't have Rick there because there was no opt-in. You're all drawing rocks. And then one of you is flipping this coin no matter what. But yeah. But they got the best-case scenario. They got the best-case scenario.

Rick got the best-case scenario. I would love to talk a little bit about Rick, the survivor player. Now, I don't see a path for Rick to win this game. I really feel like that last night, Rick, solidified himself as a survivor legend? I think so. I mean, Rick has been so much fun this season generally. And I think that I don't know if he had, I guess, like the legend status coming out of edge of extinction, but he definitely had just a higher sort of...

He went from fan favorite, the legend. Yeah. And would you... I don't know. I feel like a lot of people... I feel like Christian did that this season as well. So him and Rick have benefited greatly from coming back. Who else? Who else was gone from, like, a...

They sort of like really... cemented a legacy this season. Now, some people already had a legacy. Ozzie already had a legacy. Surrey already had a legacy. Coach already had a legacy. I mean, I don't know if, like, D has done it to the same extent, but I think the fact that she was the last winner, it says something.

But I do think that Rick and Christian in particular have, like, really sort of, like, solidified their status as, like, mainstays and Survivor, right? I think there's a few more. I think that Rizzo has, like, kind of, like, like, I think he's almost there. I think if he does like one big thing also Like I think he's starting to get there Emily I think is Is starting to go there

Like she's like I think she's really close Just keep like spilling beans Emily just keep spilling beans and Yeah It'll be great we'll solidify it Like I think we're looking at like the one time players Who are like now are in their second shot Of doing something

The players from the new era didn't really come in and like haven't, I think, well, I feel like Jonathan is, is on that trajectory that he's really, you know. Solidifying legend status. Again, that's a big word. Like, I guess now I'm sort of to be like, who's had a nice second run? Yeah. Like, even Rizzo, like, is.

I think he's got to make a bit, if he has a big episode, I think he's on the, he's on the cusp. Yeah. But without a doubt, I think Devons, for sure. Like, Devons was already coming in, like, a fan favorite. it. But coming in and just like playing with like the idea to put the idol at tribal is just so much fun. And I think yeah, his moves are not lending themselves to him going very far and going to the end really. But they're lending themselves to some really fun shit. Yeah, wouldn't say that he's playing to win, but he's playing to entertain. And I think people appreciate that. Leave a mark. Leave a mark.

Leave a mark. He's leaving a mark. Yeah. And to me, that's like would have been my dream to and like go and have an experience like that, whether it was in Survivor or the traders, to just be like, you and I both. You and I both. You know, if you win,

you like great, but everybody, you're probably not going to win. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, you just got to go in that.

That was sort of my mindset. Like, yeah. When I was thinking about like, oh, am I going to go back? It was like, I'm probably not winning.

I'm probably not going to win. So like, let's just have fun with it. Yeah. And I will say I was also coming off the fact that my 12 year old won half a million dollars. So I was like, Let's just have fun with it.

Right. So Rick Devons is having a lot of fun. And, you know, I thought he was, and you know, to get to like the tribal aspect of things, I thought we had a very fun tribal because of Rick Devons, not because of Jimmy. Yeah. And Jeff was really selling that it was because of the briefcase. Yeah, he really was trying to give us that it was, you know, like, wow, all this because of Mr. Beast, like the dopamine. I think that Jeff kind of was over explaining a little bit of like I kind of was feeling like that was the one area where I felt like that we were getting a little in the weeds of Jeff like explaining why this was so exciting and and then that that it's your brain is feeling a rush right now because Mr. Beast is here and it's like all right, let's just get to it. Like you don't need to explain what's happening. We all we're all following. Lots up in the air.

Rick was doing, was doing just fine by himself. Like, we didn't need the addition of that. Yeah. But yeah. I was thinking about Survivor 50 and your participation in a hypothetical Survivor 50. Oh, God. Do you feel like that you would have been just, you know, part of what's going on. Would you have integrated well into with this cast, or do you think that maybe you would have had problems?

I don't know. Like, I really don't know. I will say I haven't really like tried to think about that much. My therapist told me to not think about that very often. But I do think that, I think I would have had a target, you know, but I don't, I feel like I'm pretty disarming. And, you know, I don't know that necessarily like hanging out with me

and chatting with me or like, oh, this guy's guy, you know, he's cerebral or anything like that. Yeah, I don't know, what are you thinking? It's hard for me to judge It is hard Because I'm trying to think of Like what group You would have been on

And I started thinking about Like who do you think got your spot Oh God Because I don't know if there's like a one for one Of I don't think that there's really a Jesse That got picked Yeah I don't know

Is it the like Family Man role And in that case is like That Joe? Is it Is Joe Is Joe the you? Okay

So I don't know Let's say, I'll say, hi, okay, hypothetically. But I'm very different from Joe, so I don't know that, like, I feel that. And maybe it was when they wanted to bring some of the winners back. I'm not sure what. So, okay, let's just say hypothetically. Let's put you in instead of Joe. And now you're on the tribe with Christian and Rick.

Are you part of that? I would love to be a part of that. You would have been part of that. That would have been fun. Well, so you would have been lumped in with the nerds? I kind of, I kind of identify as a nerd. Like, you know, I don't know if I come off that way, but I feel like I would be. I'm fairly nerdy.

Like I'm into Marvel. I'm into like weird like things like wrestling. Yeah. You would have been and then I feel like you would hit it off with Ozzie. Yeah. I mean he grew up in. No, he lives in Venice. I grew up in Venice.

Yeah. Yeah. No, this is perfect. I think you'd hit it off with Ozzy. Is that the same tribe of Surrey? Yeah. Okay. So I have thought a lot about like interacting with Surrey.

Yes. And in particular like how everybody else is interacting with Surrey. And I keep like as we like the early episodes when Surrey, when Seri was just getting her way and everybody was just going along with it, I was kind of like, why are we doing, like, why are we listening to Surrey? I feel like my knee-jerk reaction

to anything Surrey suggests would be like, no. Like, I want to do the opposite of whatever you're doing, even if that objectively sounds good to me because I've seen, like, you on all of these shows, like you are a known mover and shaker. And like for the first few episodes,

I was like, I don't know why people are like listening to her. And I am starting to wonder, and I'd love to get your take on this, is there stuff being left on the cutting room floor in terms of people's confessionals about Ceree? Like, do you think that people are like going along with what Ceree wants because they are thinking like long term, well, she's not going to win a challenge. Like we can get rid of her whenever and she'll be, you know, as soon as the numbers start to dwindle, you know she's going to be this huge threat everybody's going to look around and be like hey the storybook ending here is serri like let's take her out and so is that what's driving why people

are listening to serene who do you think would be saying that i mean maybe rizzo maybe rizzo i could see that possibly but i think that christian really wanted to go to the end with seri he said that in his preseason i don't think ozies saying that i don't think tiffany's saying that i don't think joe's saying that. Maybe Emily and Devons could be maybe looking at her that way. So like everybody's just like willingly like working with Surrey and like okay with like getting deeper. It seems like it. Yeah. That's wild. It is wild. That is like I don't like maybe like maybe like maybe I need to be on an island with her to understand this. But like I think like going in like everybody would have to say like you can't let Surrey get far right. Yeah. And so like that's the one thing. Jonathan did say it earlier in

the season that sorry like him and D that was like the one thing that they seem to agree on. that Dee had a friend who said, yeah, you can't work with Surrey. And she talked to Jonathan about it. Yeah, no. But that's like, that's where I've been like placing myself as like, would I listen to Surrey if I was on 50? Because like my knee-jerk reaction is dope. You might be gone if you don't.

That's true. That's true. Or if I accidentally say Ozzy to her. That's what's been happening. So I, it's hard for me to imagine you in these groups because it's just have to Imagine like, okay, well, who, I don't think people really got targeted for being like, oh, they're a good player. I think that people, you went out a good social game. I don't, like.

So are you saying I would have gone far? Don't do that. It's hard to say. It's really, like, I struggle to imagine, like, the, like, seeing you there. But I don't think that, I don't see problems if I try to imagine it. I don't know. I did, hmm. I think I would have, like, when I.

look back at it, I think it probably would not have gone well for me. For you? Yeah, I think that it would have been, you know, maybe I last longer than on the trader. It's hard to be shorter. But I kind of feel like that. But why, though? Why?

If Surrey can do it, like, and Surrey has this sort of stat. People like Surrey. People like you. I like you. They like the idea of me, but then when it comes to, like, to actually, like, well, we can't let them stay. I would, I would have let you. I'm going to do something.

Like, you know. But I really, what do I do? I feel like you're, like, well connected. Like, I feel like you are, like, probably. But I think that that's the, that's the fear. I think that people would say that, oh, he's well connected. But I would like to say, in my defense, that I think I'm trustworthy. I think so.

I think so. Yeah. I don't think that there's a lot of people that are like, what, Rob really betrayed me. Yeah. And I also think it's been so long since, like, your, like, last. driver season that it's like yeah but i think that we i think that the relationships would hurt but i i do think in terms of like trust that like i think that doing what i've done like i do think i've built up a lot of trust with people doing the podcast that i'm not going to like do anything that's going

to embarrass people or anything like that like there is like a degree of trust that you have to put into a person to uh like if you didn't trust me you wouldn't come here this is True. You know what? I think this really all hinges on like whether or not you would have gotten on a Zoom. Yes. I do spend a lot of time on Zoom. But I would not have been a big pre-gamer. No. Like with like talk to a million people. That's fair. That's fair. I would not have been either. Yeah. I get that. I did not know whether I should answer my phone when random people were calling me during that two-year period of. of 50 suspense. But sometimes you did.

I think on the third try. If somebody called me three times, I would answer. Do they act like, hey, like, well, I was just thinking of you. Yeah, just casual check-in, Jesse. Like, I was just thinking about you, you know, if we ever happen to, like, be on an island, you know, like, we should just hang out. I could tell you going back to Survivor All-Stars back 20 years ago in season 8, that was not sociopath behavior, but just calling somebody on the phone now, random. Like, that's, that's what,

that, you know, you can't work. You can't work with that person. Somebody's just calling you out of the blue. And you want to get on FaceTime and Zoom rooms? Why are you sending me a Zoom link? Forget it. Forget it. You can't do that. Yeah. Okay. We all love Survivor. And in my first ever book, The Tribe and I have spoken, I'll tell you how this little show evolved from that Juggernaut first season on the beaches of Borneo all the way into its landmark 50th season. I'm like a storyteller. That's what I do. What role did the greatest players, the unforgettable moments, and Jeff Probst himself have in shaping what Survivor has become today? And what contribution did we play in building this worldwide tribe of Survivor fans?

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Nicely done, Rob. Do you have thoughts about where this goes from here now? So you have Jonathan, who's now on the bottom again. Yeah, yeah. No, I... Rick with an idol. I was going to say that, like, I don't... have been impressed with Jonathan's game.

I think that he, maybe it's because we didn't see much of like his strategic or his like any agency from him in 42. But like I think that he has been getting a lot of like, I don't know if he's been getting a lot of flack. I don't know if that's fair to say. But I will say that, you know, he got left out of a vote by D. Tiffany Camilla. And I don't know that they expected him to make a counter move. Yeah.

Right. Like I would not have expected him to like make a counter move. And like, I'd expect, like, John, you know, got like the brains. Like, you're going to just be okay with this. But he did make a counter move. He found another alliance. He saw the writing on the wall where he, you know, fell in that D Camilla stuff. And he made a counter move.

Took out Camilla, took out D. Probably felt like he had some sort of role in the Christian. Oh, a big role in the Christian. Yeah. And, yeah. And so he was probably riding a little bit of a high. I know he lost coaching Chrissy. But I think, like, he was riding a little.

a little bit of a high. I'm like, man, things are going my way. Let's go for Ozzy. Jonathan's been on a weird, very up and down trajectory at this season where, okay, he was, got blindsided on the Charlie boat. He's down. But then he gets out Camilla. He's up.

And then he's, they get out D. He's up. And then coach and Chrissy go out and he's down. And then he gets out Christian. He's up. And now loses stuff. He needs back down. So really volatile trajectory for,

for Jonathan so far. Yeah, but I will say he had, like you said, like he has bounced back before, and so maybe he can bounce back again. But he's interesting as a player in that has he ever been targeted for a vote? No, I don't think so, actually. I'm trying to think that he's never,

never in the premurge, and in Survivor 42, he goes very deep into the season. He gets into Final Four firemaking. Nobody's ever trying to get this guy out. Yeah, and he is a challenge beast. I don't know that he's got the reputation at the individual portion. Yes.

He's definitely like a contender to win. You know, he's such an interesting build of, I'm trying to think back to in Survivor 42, how many times. And, you know, if I was on, we were on Zoom like, you know, the people do. It'd be easier to look up. But let me see if Sam could give us this info of how many individual immunities does Jonathan have. I know he won one in Survivor 42 on the, they had like the doghouse challenges in the water, and the sea was very angry that day.

Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli. It was very, very choppy. But I think that also his weight helped with like sort of normalizing the thing so he could balance on it. But I think it was like the quickest they've ever done that challenge. I feel it's like 30 seconds. Yeah. But I'm not sure if he has another individual immunity win.

So it's interesting two individual immunity wins, but I think he's not really thought of as an individual immunity beast. So in the premurge, you got to keep him around because he's going to help you so much in the team challenges, but then he's not really thought of as one of the people

who's a real individual immunity beast. Yeah. But I don't know that that's factoring in twice, like not getting targeted, I guess. Like I don't know if anybody's like, oh, well, Jonathan's definitely not going to win a challenge. We can kick this can down the road. So it makes me wonder, like,

why he's not. I think that they just think, oh, well, he's not a threat. Maybe I think that he just has like this camouflage of like, oh, well, he's too big. He's not, he's not planning anything. He's got no brains. He's not going to speak up on us. Which I will say is a little bit unfair given what he's done. It really is unfair.

You know, I think that he's not going to, he's not getting the credit currently. Honestly, from fans, but also from it seems like people out there. Got a couple of fish of you, I think. Oh, did he? I think so. Good for him. Congratulations, Jonathan. Yes.

Well, well done. But it'll be interesting to see where he ends up going. I do feel like it's going towards that he has nobody, and I feel like him and Aubrey feel like that maybe there's something there. Yeah, he has had his people picked off. Yeah. I think he, well, him and Joe are still like the last of the honesty and integrity. But I don't know what Joe is part of anymore, really.

I don't know. Joe is in the, um, honor and loyalty and integrity group, but then he also just keeps telling Surrey the plan. Yeah, it's very, I don't know what, I don't know where his head is at. I feel like we're not seeing much of Joe. Like, he kind of pops up here and there, but like, I don't know that I totally get his perspective on things other than like he absolutely hates Rick Devon. He hates Rick Devons. That's like his one storyline in the season. Yeah, he's been kind of purple this season. Yeah. So I do think, yeah, like you said, you back John then. I do think that like John, I do think that like

Jonathan's people have been picked off. I don't know that Joe is a reliable, like, person for him. So he is kind of solo. And Aubrey has been pretty much solo this whole game. Yeah. Um, Rory has been like a mismatch, like for the seat, like, in terms of like the vibe for the season for me. Yeah.

And I'm sure people like have talked about this, but like, I want to hear what you have to say about this. I think that like the season has been like this whole celebratory, you know, joyous sort like thing. But like, honestly, the preempts. Emerge, Aubrey just seemed like she was very sad the whole time. I don't know. She didn't find her people, but, you know, she has, like, weird moments of joy where she's, like,

eating a grub. Yes, yes. And she's really pumped up. Yeah, yeah. She's dancing. She was very joyous while eating the grub, for sure. Yeah. But, yeah, she's been, she's been a unique sort of journey in the sense of, like, she really has,

she kind of got bullied into playing her idol. Yeah. I felt like that's what happened. and now she's like solo but still like I still don't know that she's found her people I've said that with Stephen that we saw a lot of Aubrey in the episode last night we saw Aubrey's perspective on almost everything that was going on last week we saw Aubrey flipping against Christian she said hey I don't want to be lumped in with the nerds I want to work with different types of people it seemed like that she was off with Jonathan and Stephanie

and Joe in the last episode. That seemed like that didn't really take in this episode. She kind of was like being lumped back into talking about Rick Devons in this episode. So it's really unclear where she is. I kind of thought that she would be tighter with Surrey and Tiffany, who we saw her have a relationship with Tiffany earlier in the season when Genevieve was saying Aubrey's name. And certainly Aubrey played with Surrey in Survivor Game Changers.

But we don't really see Aubrey. around them too much. Yeah, no. Aubrey is getting the, it's almost time to make my move at it. I literally said that. But like I feel like, you know, kind of like Mitch got that in 48.

Like a couple of people have gotten that throughout. Yeah. No. A couple of people got in that in recent season. So I feel like we just keep hearing about like, it's almost time. It's almost time. And so like, I'm wondering is next week time?

Well, what would the move be? Take out Surrey? Maybe. Maybe too soon for that. Honestly, wait. Don't do the move yet. Don't do the move yet. Well, it was too early to take out Ozzy.

Yeah. Was it? Yeah, I think so, because I think that for Jonathan, I thought he was in such a good position with, after the Christian vote, you got really indignant Ozzy, where he was talking about like, oh, Christian, Emily and Rick Devons, you can't even trust them. They're like, they're lying backstabbers, pants on fire. And he was like really on one about them. And then Jonathan was like, all right, now we take out Ozzy.

Like, no, Ozzy likes you now. You need Ozzy. He was a number for you. And I was talking about how I thought the biggest issue for Surrey was I thought that Ozzie could get sucked into the honor and integrity group. Like deep down, that's kind of who Ozzy is. And I kind of thought that like, they were like, hey, Ozzie, you belong with us. and I thought that maybe he might be in a little bit of a tug of war.

Instead, they decided that now we have to vote out Ozzy. Yeah, I do think. So from my view, I think that Jonathan targeting Ozzy is kind of what led to Stephanie. Oh, 100%. So if he would have just been like, yeah, let's stick to the plan and like do the obvious vote for Frank Devons. But this is what I was saying earlier is like I think that he kind of was riding high

on this like looking back at his game probably like, well, you know, I kind of took out Camilla and I got the belt buckle of Christian and he's like, all right, well, I should set my sights on the next big shark, the next big fish in the sea and it's Ozzy, but just so happens that Surrey catches wind. That was bad. When Surrey catches wind of you going after Ozzy. Yeah. Do you think any part of this had to do with that there was the fall on the sword item at the auction where Jonathan bid on a thing and then it was two boxes and it was the, and it was the, One had the sea slug and one had fried chicken. And that Ozzy got the fried chicken and he could only eat the fried chicken

if Jonathan ate the disgusting sea slug. And then he ate the disgusting sea slug so Ozzy could eat the fried chicken. And do you think that Jonathan was like, that really burned me up, Mr. Ozzy? That changed everything. As he was throwing up, he was like, this is it. This is the moment. That changed everything. Like, I hate Ozzy.

Ozzy's not my friend anymore after this. Let me see if I could bring this up. Penner talked about the sea slug. What does the sea slug look like? Uncooked. What is it? I think it looks disgusting. I don't know.

I guess you have to boil it and it becomes like leather. But yeah, Penner talked about this because I guess he had to eat it on one of his seasons. Let me see. Here's Survivor Penner And let me Let me give you Some I got some good penner tweets Last night, okay?

Here we go. Here's a penner tweet for you. He said, here. Sea Slug is absolutely The worst thing I ever tried to eat. Raw was impossible. Something like a salty rubber slime

covered moose turd. I am so privileged that I get to be here in person while you do this. All of you other people, you just have to see it on Zoom. I get to see it live in a living color. Yeah. You get some other good tweets. He said, wow, this beast shit is insane. Wait, is that the tweet?

That was it. That was the tweet. This beast shit is insane. Yeah, look, see. He didn't even capitalize beast. Put some respect on it. He had another wow tweet. He said,

Wow. Shakespeare and Abbott and Costello in the same tribal. I don't know. I don't know. I guess Sarin said who's on first. I might have missed that. I might have missed that one. Yeah.

No. Penner's locked in. I've been thinking a little bit about the sort of $2 million. Yes. Right? And I do think that it's actually really fun. and interesting that they did it this way. Yeah.

Versus like starting the season with, we're competing for $2 million. I feel like doing it that way would not have necessarily shifted anything. Yeah. I think you're still going in and you're playing the sort of same way that you had your mindset on.

I think doing it at this point in the season, like flipping it to like, oh, you're actually competing for $2 million, does do something. I think it has the potential to shift how people are thinking about things. And one person in particular, like, I'm thinking about is Rizzo. And this is why.

Because, like, I've been thinking about, like, being in Rizzo's position of, like, I was just on my very first season of Survivor. And now two weeks later, I'm out here with Surrey and Ozzy. I'm in an alliance with them. And this is a dream. Maybe I just, like, write it out with Surrey and get to the, the end with her. Yeah, baby beloved. You know, I'll be super fanboy and I'll, I'll just get to the end with Ceri and I'll give her her win. But now, yeah, it is a lot more money. And so, like, I do

wonder if this changes thing. And Rizzo is just an example, right? But like, I do wonder how much this changes things for people. Yeah. In terms of just how cutthroat their money. Yeah, I think it's very interesting that they have only done this one other time in Winners at War. I ultimately don't think it changed any of the gameplay in winners at war. I don't think that people necessarily played harder because it was $2 million. They were also millionaires. Yeah, but they also, yeah, they had already all already won, and they were all just coming back with their other weirdo baggage of like, well, but people didn't like it when I won.

People that, I didn't get enough credit when I want. So it's really good point that you bring up of will this now with the end is in sight. It's day 19. I was only a week left in the game. And all of a sudden it's like, oh. And now it's $2 million. And so I do wonder if this could lead to more cutthroat gameplay. And, you know, I've talked about this over the years.

Certainly talk about it here in The Tribe and I have spoken. But the idea of the prize of Survivor, I think, has largely gone away. We don't really talk about the million dollars and what we're willing to do for the million dollars, but I do think that you're a big part of that conversation because I think that in the times where it does come up, specifically in the new era, I think one of the only times that really it's talked about is with you and we get into the letters and when your story on Survivor is I'm doing this for my family. I'm going to make this move against Cody, but I take no pleasure in this. I'm not a, I'm not Russell Hans where like, uh, these dumbasses

aren't going to know what's coming. I'm, I'm doing this because I'm a villain. You, you took no pleasure in making, uh, this brilliant move against your friend, but you did it for your family. And you did it as a provider. And I think that that follows in a lineage of, you know, doing a thing that would have been seen as of being a villain in the early days of Survivor. but this is how a hero acts on Survivor, where what you're willing to do as a provider for your family. And I think that there is this lineage. I think that Jeremy Collins is really the most important

in that of being the dad who's there to provide for his family. And I think that you're such a big part of that. But for the most part, that we really don't see too many people even talking about the money. And so it's a little bit. of a departure for Survivor to even put a focus on the prize now, going from $1 million to $2 million. It's much more about the experience for the players in Survivor in this modern era of the show. And so I think that will be a really fascinating part of these last seven days of, is the money going to start to come to the forefront?

It's not about the title and the baggage. Now, it might be about the money. Yeah, yeah. And so I think in like newbie seasons, like it has like, they're casting so many like very like hardcore fans that like just getting out there is like a prize in itself. So it's like the million dollars does take a sort of backseat. Obviously not in my case. I was very much like, I'm tired of walking around with holes in my shoes. I would really like the million dollars. So I can provide for my family. But I think like a lot of the people that are out there, it's like, wow, this is such an experience. And the million dollars is so far away. So let's put it to the back of our heads. In this season, I do think like you have the sort of like gravity of being on season 50. So a lot of people have been out there just like almost like I feel like with that sort of same like mindset sort of in the sense of like I can't believe them on season 50. Like I'm one of the lucky 24 to get on 50 like to represent like the franchise and you know I'm here to like have fun and like leave a mark. But now we have up the prize with six days less. I think it was day 19

That's what Tiffany was saying Now it I hope that the money does weigh on people like that's what I want to see A little bit more of is the money weighing on people and I do wonder if it's going to weigh On someone like Rizzo I mean he's a kid he doesn't have kids

But like you know like That's a lot of money That's a lot of V bucks There's a lot of money is a lot of V bucks for sure And I wonder who it's going to Really impact the most In terms of Aubrey did just have a kid.

Aubrey did just have it. Get those family letters. And of course, we did get to see Aubrey. And of course, with the macaroni and cheese, this tastes like home. And then with Jeff's like, wow. No. Wow. Mac and cheese.

You didn't say it tastes like mac and cheese. It tastes like home. It tastes like home. I don't know. I just do the craft, like fill it with water through the microwave in three minutes. Tell me about the macaroni and cheese. ritual at your house. You know, we go to Costco.

We get the big, like, craft, like three-minute quick ones. We're very, it's very simple. It's not a moment. We're not, like, mixing the cheese together, I will say. Joe said that, and his, part of his memory is his daughter dropping ketchup on the floor also. There's a lot of things that get dropped on the floor. There's ketchup, there's socks, clothes. Yeah.

Gio just he's 13 so he's just throwing everything on the floor. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if my wife was on Survivor, would she miss the mess? Would she think of it fondly of the kids like leaving crumbs everywhere? Like, oh, my husband leaves a paper towel on the counter and I used to, it used to make me mad, but now it makes me miss him. No, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe it's the letters from home and the auction. They're like, you know, this is motivated me to stay here longer. I'm going to stay here longer. Not for the win, but just so. I don't have to go home. Yeah.

Yeah. So, well, okay. We'll keep tabs on that. This is going to be the, I'm going to give you credit if this comes up as a big part of the show moving forward. The money. Yeah. I hope it does. Yeah.

I hope it does. But yeah, those family letters. Well, talk about the letters because you got the letters. The letters were a big part of your story in Survivor 43. I wonder, does it change anything that everybody got their letters? I know it's all, it's been such a big deal in these new era seasons of, oh, some people. got their letters and some people didn't, but does it sort of like take away any of the impact of the letters that everybody got their letters? I think so in terms of like the conflict and the

tension, right? Like I do remember, you know, getting picked and then going back. And I guess I wasn't actually expecting people to be like very upset. I thought they would be sort of like understanding like we are all playing Survivor. Like we know that this type of stuff happens where you get left out of, like, getting your letters. But I remember, like, Carla being pretty upset that she didn't get picked. I remember Gabor being pretty upset and angry that he didn't get picked. And, like, it did make, like, people a little bit mad at, like, Noel for her choices. Right.

Like, picking Sammy over, like, somebody who has a wife and kids. Right. It was, like, a point of tension. And so I do think there is drama left on the table. That's the idea. you just give everybody their letters. I do wonder if it could be in conjunction with playing harder. Of course,

you know, part of your story was, you know, a very specific letter with a Gio wrote to you about get that money baby and that was part of your story. That's poetic. What? He wrote me get that money and then he went and got that money.

And then he got the money. He said, listen, Dad, if you can't do it, I'll do it in a night's out. I'll make a fire. Yes.

But it would like, it inspired you to play harder getting the letter. And I wonder if in conjunction with this, like just to go back to Mr. Beast for a moment, in Beast game season two, I think they did basically the Survivor 40 thing of the final 10, I think it was. They all got their family visit.

And it was right before they did like a big game where they had to be like super cutthroat. And I think that they want to on Beast games, they try to remind people of like, but remember, like you have friends. here, but this is who you're playing for. And I wonder if the letters serve as a reminder for everybody, hey, just when you're feeling good about

this new family, remember you have a real family. Yeah, no. And so, yeah, I do think that, like, me getting my letter in 43, it made me extremely grateful to Noel. But it also made me realize, like, in that moment, I need to get rid of Noel. Yes, also a cast member of Beast Game Season 2. Yes. She fell off a pole. Also, a blink and you miss it.

the moment. Yeah, no. So I do think it gives you that sort of like edge and motivation to make the cutthroat move. So I think that in conjunction with the fact that there's two million dollars on the line, maybe everybody's just going to take out their DACCers and start, you know, taking shots at people. Maybe even Joe might operate with a little bit more deception and betrayal.

Could Joe backstap somebody? Is it physically possible? I think he could. And I think that one of the reasons why he wants to go hard after Devin's is that to him, that's not a backstap. Like, I think that for Joe, that there's honor in this person is not my friend. I'm going, I said I'm going after this person, and that's what I'm doing. I'm going after this person.

I don't have to lie to anybody to go after Joe. So, or go to Rick. So, like, for Joe, this is like an easy one for him. Yeah. But he has also just kind of, I know he hasn't like turned on people. But he's also voted out, like, people that he, like, probably told he would never vote out. Like coach. Like coach.

Yeah. So. But he did say that he wouldn't write coach's name down. They made him go back and write coach's name. Yeah. That's true. I did hear that. Yes.

Which I don't know. I feel like you voted, Chrissy. Coach was going to go with her. By proxy. Yeah. Yes. That doesn't count. Yeah.

No, maybe the, but maybe the letters from home in combination with, with the $2 million, in combination with the memories of home from the auction, are going to push Joe to drop the honor and integrity. Like, maybe we're going to watch the slow corruption of Joe. What would you do?

In moving forward. I don't see it. Yeah, I don't know. Who's his alliance that you could actually turn on? I enjoyed him in this season where he hasn't really been the focal point, but every vote is like, but what are we going to tell Joe?

Yeah, everybody's been very, like, you know, working on. around him. But it's also like, it's a obstacle. Based off of like the 48, like, edit. I don't know how much it's like based off of like what he's doing out there.

Like is he like running around saying like, well, I guess he kind of is because he was like telling Devons like, I would tell you if I was going to vote for you. Like I would be so straight. But I think with that he was doing semantics with Devons on that one also because he that Rick's like, okay, Joe, you were going to, you wanted to vote me out. And he's like, I wasn't going to vote. vote for you. If I was, I would tell you. And I think that he was, that, that he was in the group, he was going to, he was voting for coach. Like they told, like, he wanted Rick out. And then they said,

Joe, we don't have the votes for that. That, that, that coach is going home. Go with the numbers. And so Joe was going to tribal council to write down Christy's name, not even coach. And, but, and then, I think trying to sell to Rick, like, I, I wasn't going to write your name down that night. I was, would tell you if I was. He's like, as I was taking my seat, I was not intended to write your name down. I would have liked nothing more than to vote you out, but we didn't have the numbers, Rick. Even if all the way up to the seat that I was taking, I was going to vote you out. But Rick also wants to have it like, uh, hi, I like, I got you.

So. Yeah, no, their little, uh, well, they won't they is very cute. Yes. 31. Yes. What do you think is at the reunion, do you think that

they'll, like, put them together? Well, like, it's weird to think about this Survivor's season is going to have a reunion.

Yeah, the live finale. That'll be, that'll be fun. And honestly, it's going to be spicy, it seems like. Could be a lot of them,

like, you know, listening to the exit press here and there. And the cast doesn't seem to love each other. Yeah,

no. I'm honestly, like, their exit press has made me, like, very grateful. I was like, you know,

I'm glad I didn't get picked because this seems like a lot of like drama. It seems like a lot of... I don't think would you have had beef? There's people on this season who seem like they have beef that I didn't expect to have beef. Yeah.

Because even coming out of Spiveor 43, I don't think that you had beef with your cast a little bit. I stayed off... I tried to stay off Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, your season had a lot of beef,

but I feel like that not with you. I just faded to the background. Maybe that's what I would have done anyway. Yeah, no. But, yeah, no, I'm excited for the life finale. Yeah, it's going to be a little crazy. Hopefully spicy Jeff comes. Probably not.

I don't think the Jeff will be too spicy at the reunion. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I kind of want, it'll be really interesting to see how they handle it. Yeah. If there is, like, a little bit of, like, tension. Well, you have, like, let's just track the stories for the reunion. Potential interesting stories for the reunion. Okay.

There's who pregame with who. Like people are... Will they touch that? Will they touch on that? I mean, it's come up in the exit press. Yeah. And so I kind of feel like... I think they need to be very specific

if they ask about this, though. They can't ask like, hey, were you guys on Zoom? I don't want anybody being like, I don't have Zoom. I don't think that Jeff is going to ask these questions, but I think that these are things that the other players will blurt out

when Jeff asks them like, all right, Donaldson, how are you doing? You know, and... We should take control. what everybody's going to say. Yeah, we should take bets. We should be like, you know, like make a bingo card.

Like, will Zoom be mentioned at the live finale? This would be a good podcast. Yes. Okay. Mike Bloom is standing by for things. Okay. At the reunion show. Are you going to talk about that?

They're going to talk about that. I know that there was, of course, with all of the air time in the edit. And how much did the women get underedited? I think that that's, I think that, like, you saw a lot of people. Like, well, yeah, Zach Brown got more confessional to Tiffany. Now, in fairness, Tiffany has way more confessions than Zach Brown.

And Mr. Beast said Mr. Beast is totally purple. No confessions for Mr. Beast. Billy Elish, though, you know, I do think they made Billy Elish very purple. You didn't get to see anything from Billy Elish, although she's going to be a commercial. But I think that, you know, Chrissy and Angelina both, I think if they, like, what are they going to do? Not ask them a question at the reunion? And you know that's what they're going to talk about. Yeah.

Yeah. Certainly, Angelina. Yeah. Who else? Who else do we got? We got Charlie and Dee. Charlie and D of it all. Yes.

There's some tension there. Who else do we got? Who else is beefing? Yeah. Jenna versus everybody. You know, Jenna Lewis, I think that that's the kind of, but I think that that's like a beef

that's sort of like contained to the show. Yeah, yeah. It'll be like Mike White and Christian. Oh, Mike White. That's the biggest one. That's one of the, the biggest ones and you kind of wonder if you know that like I I wonder like I hope they make amends I well I think that there's a realistic chance that because of like the white lotus shooting schedule

I think that they're doing the show I think he might not be there I think I think you might have Mike white on Zoom that would be great he'll be like joining us by now but I'm here now I was really hoping for like a handshake like at the live finale yeah kind of between Christian and like Yeah, we'll see. I mean, maybe, who knows? It's not impossible to make amends with Mike White. No. Mike, Mike's very reasonable. And so we'll see what happens there.

Yeah. You know? Is Coach on good terms with everybody? Surprisingly, maybe. Maybe? Yeah, I don't know. And then we'll see how the rest of the fallout goes. But I think this could be very, like, that it might, I think this could be the last live reunion.

I think it might. of how it's going to go? They might have been off more than they could too. Or because of like budget. Well, I think it could be both. It was very expensive. Because they did have to go to Jimmy for the extra million.

It was very expensive and also that there was a lot that this did not go according to plan. When we thought of this idea. We just have ruined it for everyone. Yeah, we didn't think about that the players, there could be a lot of salty players and they're going to like, you know, the Survivor After Show is a lot more of a contained element. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's true.

I have a lot of questions for you, Jesse, from the listeners. I feel like we're all over the place. We're a little all over the place. That's fine. Okay. All right. Yeah. Did you have notes?

No, I didn't have notes. Yeah. I think the questions will, like, yeah. Okay. Kind of scattered. All right. All right. Let's see.

Let's see. Okay. I'm going to give you a lot of questions for you about the Mr. Beast. coin flip. Okay? I love it. All right.

Was there enough chaos at the auction? Josh asks. But like there were only two chaotic moments and Mr. Beast. Did you feel like that Jeff totally oversold the chaos at the auction? Yeah, I did sort of feel that way. I sort of felt like there was, yeah, there was only the two moments that everybody else was just getting all of this stuff with. They ate so much. Yeah, they were getting so much food.

Like, there was so much food dish. out. And I do wonder how many, like, how much of the time, like, people were like, very much like, oh, is that going to be the chaos? Is that going to be the chaos? And then did they just stop expecting it? Even my kids were like, dad, is there going to be chaos in this one? Yeah, not really. Honestly, you should have heard Gio. His ideas for the chaos. Yeah, what would have been? The milkshake came out and he was like, I hope it's laced with laxatives. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then he was like, there was the covered thing. And Gio was like, I hope there's bird poop under there.

I don't know. He was like, yeah, so like not enough chaos for my family's taste, I guess. But yeah, I think he overselled the chaos. He did oversell the chaos. I really thought the chaos was going to be then when they went to the challenge. I was like, oh, okay, I can't wait to see what this challenge is going to be. And it was just like such a like easy, like no stress challenge for people who just ate a bunch. Yeah.

What would have really been chaotic is if they had a bunch of alcohol at the auction. And then they took them to the challenge. It's not that kind of show anymore, I don't think. Well, come on, they had the margaritas. But they didn't. Where was the margaritas? Yeah, there was no margaritas back and got everybody a little buzzed, and then they could have done the challenge.

That would have been pure chaos. Answer this question. Okay. Josh Wolfson said, do you think Mr. Beast had more to do in this episode and did they cut it? It was rumored. In the wake of Zach Brown that they were cutting Mr. Beast's segments from the episode, do you think that was in any way true? I don't think so.

I think that Jimmy is like, I think people have this sort of expectation of Mr. Beast based on like the YouTube videos and him being very loud and screaming things. Five million dollars. He did get to scream after Rick hit the coin flip. He's like, you guys just won. You guys just won $1 million for the price. Yeah, but even that I feel like was sort of

like muted compared to like how he is in like YouTube videos and stuff. I think that he is just like excited. He's 27 years old. He has done so much stuff. But like I do think I've heard him talk about like when he goes got to go to the pyramids.

He's just in disbelief a lot like with this kind of stuff. Like he can't believe that he's able to do these things. And I just saw like some BTS of him shooting Beast games when he arrived to the island Fiji to do the crossover there. And he was just kind of in disbelief. He was like, I honestly thought this was a joke, I thought they were going to call me, like, on our flight and tell me they couldn't do this. So I think he is really just respectful of what Survivor has built. And so I think he realizes he had to like take a step back for the contestants. Well, I talked to him about it as well

when I went to go to talk to him a couple of weeks ago. And he was talking about it. really that him and Jeff are sort of like the only people that are sort of like the hosts, but also like the creative person behind the things that they do like on this scale. And like it's a very small group of people that are like, you know, doing this type of thing. And he was very excited about this. He was like, I can't wait for everybody to see it. It's going to be good. He saw the bad press about Zach Brown.

And he said he was nervous. But he's like, I'm not going to spearfish. He said, my thing is totally not about me. Like, it's about the players when I go there. And so he wasn't like, oh, yeah, I got so many confessionals. And I'm really, I'm going to be the star. It's really all about me. Yeah.

You know, I mean, Miss Rees doesn't need to go to Survivor to go, like, get more famous. No. I honestly think he, like, I don't think they cut anything crazy. Yeah. I think that, like, maybe he said a little bit more. And they just, but it was not like they had huge. chunks of Jimmy going on like lectures or anything like that

that they cut. If people didn't see also that the Survivor episode of Beast Games was really, really good. Yeah. I honestly think it was the best episode of Beast Games. I think it's episode four of Beast Games and it was really, really fun and Jeff was like

super fun on Beast games so Jimmy did talk more in that episode. He did talk much more but Jeff also talked a lot. Jeff got a lot of confessionals in the E. Beast Games episode. Yeah. I do think that Jimmy was just kind of sitting there watching and learning from Jeff. Okay.

Here's a question for you from Ray James. Odds that Rick Devons or any of the Devon's children end up in a Mr. Beast video. A shot in the dark, one in six or 50-50? I'll take 50-50 on that. Yeah. I think there's a very high, high chance that Devons or one of his kids gets in. I think that, I think that Jimmy likes people who, who are very outspoken, who are very like showmany.

And I think that Rick Devons is that. He is like very just outspoken. He speaks his mind in an entertaining way. And he also is willing to take risks. And he did it right in front of Jimmy. Yeah. I could see Rick Devons in another video. Because he has kind of a lore now to him of like,

he's the guy that flipped the beast coin for a million dollars on Survivor. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that he'll be on like Beast Games season three or anything like that. but I can definitely see him like in a Mr. Beast video. And honestly, I will say I'm like super happy that Rick Devons had this moment because I've known that Rick Devons is a fan of Beast, Mr. Beast. He's reached out like multiple times.

Sure. GEO has been doing his videos. For a very long time. Yeah, Rick Devons, listen, when Rick Devons found, I was talking about the Billy Elish, boomerang Idol and talked about how like, oh, Billy Eilish, one of the greats. Yeah, I don't know if he knows so much Billy Eilish, but I can always. remember from a couple of years ago where that Rick Devin's was tweeting about how he went to Walmart

with his son. To clean up the aisles. Of the feastables. And people like, why, hey, people like we're giving him like, uh,

like, uh, some crap online. Like, hey, like, uh, this is a late stage capitalism.

Why are you cleaning up, uh, Walmart for Mr. Beas. He's like, I don't know, my son likes it. I'm just,

I think he, even ended up like in an article, like a Rolling Stone article written about like these feastables that were like falling off of shelves and like Rick Devons was like quoted in it. So like this is the path has been leading here the entire time. They should have had flashbacks of that article. Yeah. But honestly there's. We need a clean up in aisle seven. Can Rick Devin's get down here quick? Right. No, it's honestly interesting that like so much. So much. this season has been like kind of kind of poetic right like I think like coach and Aussie going to like that first challenge together was very like you know poetic I'm

thinking of Stephanie being like solo and doing yes I mean look at Christian's journey where that his survivor of fate ends up being on a puzzle where he's sort of born into the survivor world on a puzzle and then like like for Rick Devons, like who's been a huge fan of Mr. Bees and you can point to things in like the Twitter sphere or whatever and see, see the connect. I'm very happy for Rick Devons that he had this moment. I honestly think he was going to flip the coin whether he was on the bottom or not. Mm-hmm. Okay. Lyle wants to know if Jesse was in Rick's position, would he have flipped the coin? 100%. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. Even if I wasn't in Rick's position, like, I think it

would have just been like, I can't, like, especially because I had just, like, Geo had just filmed his video where he won, like, three months prior to this. Yeah, so I guess that it's a hard thing. Yeah, you would have to do it if you were on Survivor 50 and he showed up. And Mr. B shows up. But if this was Survivor 43, would you have flipped the coin? No. I think I was like in too good of a position at that point. Yeah. Like, throughout that season. Tell me what you think about this Because I was thinking this through Of that if Rick Devin's

Flips the coin Ah, you're out Rick, I'm sorry I feel like Mr. Beas does something nice For Rick Devin's anyway Like I kind of feel like that Like is that crazy? Here's a hundred thousand dollars

Yeah, Rick, you know what though I'm still giving you a hundred thousand I was like Rick here's a Lambo Yeah he has a brief That's what he does in his videos It's like you didn't win the prize but you're going home with a thousand bucks. Like he probably would have been like,

going home with a box of feastables. Something like that. So they've had any feastables at the auction? Honestly, I'm shocked they didn't. I'm shocked. I'm literally shocked that there wasn't like a feastable sanctuary. I think it would have given too much. Should they have given Rick Evans of feastables also?

Should it have been like Rick. And if you hit the flip of the coin, you're going to get immunity and an idol and we'll double the prize pot and you'll get a feastable's to eat in front of everybody right now right honestly i wonder if there was anything cut from like mr beast's involvement it might have been like they had feastables at the auction like you know like honestly i would have been very happy to get feastables while i'm starving okay all right this is from uh cleon who says which item in the auction would you have wanted the most for Rob and Jesse. So out of the items we saw, was there something that you thought looked particularly good? The grub. Would you eat the grub? Yeah.

I say yes to things. I say yes to things just to see what happens. That's sort of my philosophy in life is just say yes and see what pans out. I don't know that anything particularly good would have come from eating a grub. Yes. But I probably would have done it. Because in real life, you are a vegetarian. Yeah.

But now, like, when you're on Survivor, is it just like open season, let loose? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I ate meat out there. I didn't give a shit. It's kind of like that question that vegetarians get of like, but would you eat meat if you were stranded on an island?

Yeah. The answer is yes. Whatever. I will. Yeah. You know. I'm on vacation. But yeah, I don't know.

What would I actually want from the auction? Honestly, I'm so frugal. I'd probably be like, let me pocket this 500. Yeah. And just keep it for half. Did I ever tell you, I had money left over from the auction and survival of the Amazon? No, oh, I did get to keep it. And then, and then the freaking camp burned down and my money burned up in the camp.

How much was it? It was $240. Jesus. And that was the first thing that I came back from. I was with Mateo and I was on the reward. And then, uh, the Jenna was like, the camp burned down. All of our stuff is gone. Like, what about my $240?

That's like $500 today. Yeah. Yeah, back then, I was like, I was like, I'm going to Burger King. I was, I was like already spending that money at the airport. Yeah, you kind of bought Bitcoin with that. Well, Bitcoin was not going to be invented for, like, 10 more years. But I could have, like, saved it. A lot of good things could have came around.

A lot of things, a lot of things could have happened. That would have been good with that $204. What would you have bought? What did you want from the auction? Okay. So out of the things that I saw, I mean, the chocolate chip cookies, I think, were, looked really good. No?

No, my family looked at the cookies. They were like, those look mid. Mid cookies? No, but on Survivor, those would be pretty good. Because I think a lot of the food, Jeff talked about it, that, oh, no, the food is, like, we keep it, the food is very hot and fresh. Now, I don't know, I think that

a lot of the stuff I feel like is sitting there. Yeah, I would have gone for the fries. Fries, yeah. Onion rings. I feel like that we don't, I feel like that that was a survivor first, the onion rings. Maybe somebody will fact check me on this.

Yeah. Did they have brownies? They did not. Not a ton of chocolate-y type things. Even Ozzy's cake, not too chocolatey. This is lending itself to the theory that they cut a scene of feastables. And they cut it. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think there was one particular thing that I was like really like, oh, man, I could go for that. Yeah. Did we have a burger? Like, you know, there's a lot of stuff that got cut. Like, I feel like Joe didn't eat anything. Yeah. I'm just happy for Rizzo that he got food because honestly, he looks like he's dying.

He is. But Stephanie and her exit interviews was kind of down on Rizzo. And then even with me, she was like, oh, Rizzo, he didn't even eat the chicken. I couldn't tell if she was saying that he was full or his stomach hurt or he didn't like it. I don't know. I feel like, why would he do that, though? Like, what? He's picky eater.

But he's starving I felt bad for him Like I was watching the show And I was like I wouldn't outbid him Yeah Like I would want to feed him Yeah but Rizzo's dinner on the auction It looked like what I would have for dinner here

Like I feel like that's not a good auction food No What did he get? He got like grilled chicken He did eat the cookies with Albert Oh yeah my wife was saying that he That was the best meal That was the best meal for him

Yeah Yes okay They did have a chocolatey milkshake for Emily flipping. Yeah, and that's the one that Gio said, like, the chaos should have been like a accident. Well, maybe they did because, maybe that's what they cut out because she's like, oh my God, I just remember it, I'm going to poop my

brains out. Did you say? She did. I missed this. She did. There were a lot of people throwing up. Maybe that was the laxative kicking in. Yeah. Geo. Gio's power. Geo's power. He called it. Yeah. Okay.

Let's see. Who from Survivor 50 do you see making it onto the next Beast games. Ooh. I mean... How about a future Beast games? A future beat. Not the very next one.

Not the very next one's like currently casting and all that stuff. Oh, by the way, listen, and this is on a related note, how did Jared being on Beast games compared to Surrey on Survivor? Yeah. Surrey acted like she didn't know who Mr. Beast was. But Jared was on Beast games at the same time that she was playing Survivor, right? He was. He was.

I saw him there. Why? We talked about this. Yeah, yeah. I ran into Jared when I got to, got to Vegas, and I was like, dude, what are you doing here? I was like, shouldn't you be staying ready for the family visit? Yeah. He's like, oh, my brother's going to go.

Turns out, apparently there's a fucking family visit. Yeah, but you, right? Did it not seem like Surrey doesn't know too much about Mr. Beast? Yeah, she did seem like a little bit, like, unimpressed. But it was like, literally, this was filming at the same exact time. Maybe they don't tell each other what they're doing. Like, maybe, like, he doesn't know. I think he doesn't know.

What they're doing, right? Maybe she didn't know he was on Beast games. Maybe she didn't know that this is the Mr. Beast from Beast games. Maybe she thought he was on Squid Games. Because, right, the timing on this was, when was Beast Games? It was filming around the same time as 50. Oh, yeah. Like, we literally, 50 flew out.

And then I was like, I need to, like, disconnect from the world. Let me go on Beast games. Yeah, we were. We were, of course, like, okay, well, Jesse, I'm going to go do the traders. You go do Beast games and we'll come back here. And then like a week later, we're like, like, WTF. Yeah, we were like, well, that didn't work out. I thought I was going to have $5 million.

I thought you were going to win the traders. Yeah, look at us. It was like our summer did not go as we had thought. Yeah, but it was literally the same, you were doing at the same time as when Survivor 50 was happening. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they literally, I mean, there's a pot. Sue Smey was on the islands of Fiji as this episode was being filmed because they filmed the Beast Games crossover during Survivor 50. Pretty much at the same time. Yeah, that's why Jimmy's out there. This was back to back. Oh, okay.

Okay, I didn't know you didn't know this. No, I didn't know this. I guess I kind of thought they came back. I thought they did it before. No, this was back to back. So Jeff was pulling double duty? Where was Jeff during these like, what, what episode was this where Jeff was golf the whole day? but they were out there at the same time. Like, Jimmy was there because they had just done. I feel like that maybe the episode prior, no, Jeff did the challenge in day on, like,

we're going to, like, get the calendar. So on day 18, when Christian gets voted out there, I think that's when Jeff is doing the challenge. Yeah. I don't know, maybe when, like, doing Beast games, he got, like, Lucy Goosey. Yeah. I think that they had, like, maybe a down day after,

what was it after? So coach and Chrissy got voted out. Yeah. And they had the duos twist. And then maybe that day after where I think that they kind of, I feel like that they kind of had like a down day around camp. Maybe that's when they did it. Maybe that's when they did Beast games. Yeah.

And then Jimmy just hung around for like two days. And then Mr. Beast hung out to go and do the, uh, the, yeah. I wonder if Jimmy knew, though, that Surrey was like Jared. Like, I mean, Jared wasn't around very long. I don't know if they got word to him that Jack. Jared was on Beast games and then, but I don't know, who knows. Yeah, no, but. Somebody knew.

Surrey had to have known who Jimmy was. Maybe she just was like. Maybe she's playing Koi. Playing it off like, because she's like, you know, what if Jared won $5 million already or something? Yeah, she could have like, hey, can I get an update on how Jared did on these games, please? It was strategic why she didn't react. Yeah, it doesn't want to get into it.

Riz God, I could see. Very excited. Let's just go through the whole, the cast and then who's in the cast. casting pool. Risgod, key demo for Beast Games, I think that he would be, he would actually be really good on it. Yeah, I think he, I think Jimmy would cast him. I think for sure,

Riz God, Rick Devons, they are... I can't see Risgod on the traders. I could see it. Don't don't sell him short. I just feel like... He's the manlymouth the legend. I guess so. That I struggled to see it a little bit more, him in the castle.

I could definitely see him on Beast games. Yeah. Q, if he wants to do it. On Beast games? Yeah. He'd be pretty chaotic. He'd be great. He'd be great on Beast games because he doesn't care.

He would smack a button for like $2 and eliminate like half of the people. Like Q's rich already. Like he doesn't care. Yeah. He's just there for the fun. I think, yeah, I think Jimmy should absolutely recruit Q. Rick Devons. Rick Devons.

Sure. Honestly, let's recruit Emily to a Mr. Beast video. I don't know that she would do it. I don't know if Emily would want to do it. I'm trying to think of like a survivor 50 women who would be apt to go to, D, I could see going to Beast Games. Yeah. Why not?

I mean, she's already, yeah, she's done the challenge, done Survivor 50. Peace Games is different. Chrissy. Guy goes Chrissy, they put her on Beast Games. Yeah, I think it's about who's going to like provide the most entertainment, right? Like who's going to be like the crazy? Because there's like so many people, right? Like there's a thousand people or 200 people

That it's about like who do who would we put on there that would actually like pop and like Yeah And I think Q I think like Rizzo Jenna Lewis would be a tough customer on these games Yeah, she'd be fun Yeah and this is kind of a wacky one camilla Okay Any reason why

I just think that she's gonna be very cutthroat Yeah, I could see it She'll kick a bunch of people off BCCA is weird It's hard though because you're have to like get into the right position and get lucky enough to be in a position to be cutthroat. Otherwise you're just getting eliminated because your team like didn't build a block tower fast enough. Yeah.

Okay. Here's from my, Mike, uh, cather niver. Okay. What was or was the reward that Rick Devons got too powerful? I was talking about this with Stephen last night. Do you think that he's safe and an idol? Is that too much? I honestly wonder if it's like it was so,

I do think it is a lot, but I wonder if they made it a lot because the downside was so dramatic, right? Like you're like actually just eliminated, you're done for, and they really, well, I guess like they were going to have somebody do it regardless because if nobody stepped up, they were going to rock draw. I do think it was a little bit much.

I think that being safe and the $2 million probably enough, But I do, I'm very happy that there's an idol in there that's just like a regular idol. A regular idol and Rick Debs can play for anybody. We can have a little bit more, you know, of a dynamic advantage. I think that they've done a bad job with the idols here in this season where, you know, we had the idols in the pre-merge, but they were only the Billy Elish boomerang idols where you can't even play them on other people. So there's sort of like limited power idols that didn't even go to the person who found them.

And then in the post-merge is that, okay, well, this is going to be open season. people are going to be finding idols and we're not even finding idols. Where are the idols? There's no like, it's like, did the, did people vote for no normal idols in the season? And now that the one normal idol that we have in the post purge comes by, here's a coin flip to get the idol. Yeah, do you think that there's just no idols hidden out there? Do you think people are looking for them? I'm sure that Rick Devin's looking for idols.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure, I'm surprised it's not a bigger part of it. the story that Rick Devin hasn't been just going crazy looking for idols. Yeah. Honestly, Rick Devin's is like the perfect person. Like in so many ways to flip this coin. Yes. But to land it and to get an idol, like I think he is an agent of chaos.

And I'm very excited that he's the person with the idol. Yeah. Okay. So here is, I guess this is a fun fact from Noah. Stephanie basically revealed who she voted for because she, She spelled Aubrey's name wrong twice in a row. Yeah, that's true. When it first happened, Aubrey's like, you spelled my name wrong.

And then it happened again, I was like, wait, two people spelled her name wrong. And then it just turned out it was Stephanie twice. Ben Gregory says, should Jonathan or Joe have signaled to Stephanie to play her shot in the dark? Or was it good for them to just burn the ships? Didn't Stephanie say like an exit press today that she was told like, you're good? Like, don't play your show in the dark? Mm. I thought.

Did she bring that up with you? I talked to Stephanie. I didn't read or listen to a lot of the other exit press that she did. Okay. I think she might have said that, but I could be wrong. Can you tell me this? This is kind of like a nerdy procedure question. Okay.

Stephanie has the steal a vote. Could she steal a vote and play a shot in the dark with the other vote? Oh. Like, sacrifice the vote she just stole. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to. steal Rick's vote. With Rick's vote, I'm voting for Aubrey.

And with my vote, I'm playing the shot in the dark. I would hope so. Like, I don't know the answer, but like, I would hope so. Because they say that with the shot in the dark, you are playing the shot in the dark, you are giving up your right to vote. But I'm stealing Rick's vote. And I'm writing a vote for him. And really,

the galaxy brain version of this is like, and then when the shot in the dark hits, then my one vote is going to be deciding vote tonight. Yeah, no. That, I honestly, I know that they have like a rule book or whatever, but there are situations, I think, that the producers encountered that they did not anticipate. And I think that they will lean on the side of excitement. I don't even know who to ask.

About that question. Ask Jeff. Next time I see him. Like a little on top of it. Do you even like me? All right. How about, assuming Rick was always plan A, do you think that Steph was always the backup plan? I don't think that Rick was plan A.

I think Stephanie was plan A. Do you think that changed the tribal council? I feel like... You think we had a real life, honest to goodness, live tribal council? No. Stephanie has been saying like the exit press that it was going to be Rick, right? But like it doesn't... But that's her.

A coach said it was going to be Rick also. Yeah, no. I felt like it was rolling in Stephanie's direction, regardless of the coin flip. Which is actually really funny because I feel like a lot of Rick Devin's like shenanigans at like tribal where it seems like his shenanigans are what lead him to not be the one to like get targeted and go.

I actually have no effect. Like I feel like his like grabbing the idol with Aubrey like when they were in the duo and coach went home. I feel like it was already rolling in that direction that time. And then this time I feel like

and they're like, okay, it's still the plan right? So we're still good, right? Yeah. That's what it feels like. It just makes everybody like double check. like, okay, but nothing changed, right? Nothing, nothing.

Yeah. So, I don't know. This has sort of been the story of Rick's, like, journey, I feel like, even an edge of extinction. Like, I remember watching, and he did the whole thing where he, like, read the advantage that Ron had given him. Yeah. And he was like, oh, I'm going to, like, go home.

He, like, had no idea what that actual vote was going to be. Like, it didn't go in the direction that he thought it was going to go. So, like, this seems to be Rick's thing. Is he does things at tribal? Yes. The big one was the pilots and passengers. tribal council. That was the famous one. And I talked to Kelly Wentworth the other day. Did that actually shift thing? She said it did. That Julia was not supposed to, I think it was, I'm sorry, there's a Julia and Julie that I think that maybe Julie was supposed to go home at that tribal council. And then it ended up getting switched up at that tribal council where a different person went home.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, but yeah, for this one, I don't think that like, I think most of the time, like, when it's a live tribal, it's really like, all right, let's either plan B or let's stick to the plan that we already had. Yep. Okay. How about, this is a question from Tyler, who says, who's the most likely to have a Gabler-style win from this season? Ooh, who is, who's, like, laying low?

Who's laying low? Is it, like, who? Rizzo's not laying low. He's not laying low. He's not laying low. He's going to just, you know, I feel like it's like a Tiffany or Aubrey. Tiffany, I could see.

Yeah, Tiffany. But Gabler, like, yeah, he kind of like didn't really do much. And then at the end, you know, it was all about like the social. But he was like in real life. Like he was just very well liked. Yeah, yeah. It's a social game. And then like, yeah.

So I could see being like a Tiffany sort of Gablesh style win. Aubrey has been getting the whole like, you know, I'm going to come out of hiding soon or I'm going to come out and make my move soon, which is like, Gabler got a lot of confessionals like, I'm just waiting to blow the surface to come up and snap. I mean, really, if you were going to like do like a one-to-one, like, could you not see Gabler saying like, like, I'm wacky? I'm like, but I'm also, I'm sorry, I'm a psycho. But I'm also, I'm waiting to make my move. I'm honestly pretty sure that Gabler said those words out there. I'm psycho.

It is a little like Gabor coded As he left sunscreen on his face Now what do you think about last week When Jeff did the challenge And then he said I'm doing a Gabor 43 lives 43 lives

We got our representation baby In a Gabor reference In a Gabor reference Survivor 50 Who would have guessed it? He is iconic Too bad Gabor wasn't on the season He could give $2 million to charity

Yes Yes he'd come back He could have donated. He could have flipped the coin and said, I'm doing this for charity. Yes. All right. Let's see. Okay.

If someone was going to pull a Jesse L turning on your best ally move, who would do it? You think that somebody would consider doing a Jesse L? I really. Is that your severance name? Jesse L. Yeah. I think it's got to be like Rizzo. Like, again, like, I think that the, if he is currently sitting there and he's like, I'm locked in with Surrey, this is like a fan boy's dream. Let's go to the end together. I really think that like that $2 million might start to change things. And it's like, okay, well, you know, if I go to the end with, like, now it's about money. And do I want to just give Surrey this win? And I had already thought about, thought, Rizom,

might be starting to consider that down the line, even without the $2 million, so with the $2 million now, I could see him turning on Surrey, which would be, like, crazy. Like, what a story. Anybody else, like, Ozzy won't do it, right?

That would be crazy. Yeah. I don't know that anybody else is that tight. I think he would go to the end with Surrey. I think he would go to the end with Surrey. I think he would go to him with Surrey. Yes. And there's nobody else who's, like,

really other than Rick and Christian, And like, there's nobody else. Like, Emily and Rick seem very close. But I don't think they're like that, though. They're not like that. I think Emily would vote out Rick. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So it would have to be like a Rizzo or Ozzie. Mm-hmm. So repairing. Okay. Let's see. Jesse, what gives you cognitive distortion, man? Cognitive distortion.

Is it a cognitive disson? He talked about it. First you get the dopamine, and then that's the cognitive distortion. What is the... I don't understand enough of what Jeff says, to be honest. Luciano says, Jesse, can you share your casting story? What is... Reminders your casting story.

So, were you on the doomed Survivor 41 cast that you were going to... It was March of 2020. Yeah. You were all ready to go. Yeah, yeah. I went through casting in 2019. Yes. I had originally reached out to like a casting person and she, and this was like probably

like 20, whenever they film winners at war, cast winners at war. And she was like, hey, we only cast one season this year. The other one, you'll understand why we're not casting two, but reach back out. So I reached back out in 2019. Yeah. I get called immediately. I go through Skype. You could have been on Survivor 39.

If I had been early enough, maybe. Yes. But I came in it too far into it. And so they had me reach back out in 2019. I get flown. I do Skype with Jeff. Skype at the time. It's not a thing anymore.

Yeah, they do. They do Zoom. And then I got flown out. I'm out there with Jonathan Young. Yeah, okay. You know, Bruce from 44 and 45. Zach Whartonberger from 42. Like I'm like out there in the hotel.

In the hotel. It all goes great. Any women we know? Oh, Cassidy. Okay. Cassidy was there. We actually took, like, we had to do, like, an extra psych exam, and it was just us, and we had to do a psych exam right next to each other.

Yeah. And then I get the call in, like, March or in February, actually, of 2020, and they're like, guess what? You're on season 41. And I was very excited, sent all of my clothes, and then I get the call. like March 13th, I think. Yeah. I think it was the day that literally

like everything shut down that they were like, hey, we're gonna hit pause. We're gonna come back and film this in a couple months maybe. But what was going through your mind as like things are starting to really heat up with COVID?

And how close for you to leaving for survival? Not my survivor dreams as the world collapses. Right. Like, I feel like that I would, this would have really. I was freaking out. Yeah. I was freaking out.

Like I remember, so I had a connection to Molly Biman from season 39. Yes. Because she went to Duke and I was at Duke. Yeah, Parmen 8, 4.0. And I was texting her. I was like, hey, like, when did they usually send you your flight information? Because, like, I was supposed to be leaving in like six days and they haven't sent me my tickets yet.

She's like, oh, they should have sent it by now. And I'm watching the news. COVID is picking up. I'm like, oh, God. Like, is it going to get like canceled? Is Survivor, like, going to not film? And yeah, it got delayed. Yeah.

They delayed it like three months. They're like, we'll check back in. Yeah. Six months. We'll check back in. Actually, we're not going to film, but you're definitely on when we do film. And then they were like, actually, we're going to have to do the casting process with everybody again.

And so how to do the casting process again? I was in a weird spot when the second casting process happened for 41. the new era 41 of it all. My mom had just died and I was just like, the psych person was like, yeah, you should like hold off. Yeah.

And then they were like, Jesse Tannenbaum called me. He's like, I promise you you're going to be on the next cycle. I get called for 43 and it was very quick. It was like one interview with Jeff and I was on. So very long, long process for me to get on to Survivor.

and a really stressful casting process. Yeah. So your survivor story is either they really jerk you around or they put you on right away. Yeah. There's only two ways that they do it. Yeah. I have a very fun time with casting. Yes. Yes.

Yes. But you're back in casting now for future season for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, Blood versus water? Oh yeah, blood versus water. Me and my wife actually were leaving next week. That Reddit, there was a Reddit post that said that I was going to be on season 52. That got a lot of traction. Yeah.

That got a lot of traction. Like a lot of people were like texting it to me. It's like, hey. Yeah. This is real. This is real. I got three phone calls. Yeah.

I got three phone calls. They were like, hey, that's a crazy castellist, huh? Like, you know, if it were real, like you'd work with me, right? I'm like, what? Like, no. From people on the list were asking you about it. Yeah, I was like, I don't like, I don't know, like, it was like a very, it was. Did you think it was, you know what?

Did you think I was leaving? So I, I thought it was a very believe. So another, another notable survivor texted it to me and said, hey, is this real? And I said, I really, I really don't think. Becca, Jesse's wife, wants to play Survivor. I'm pretty sure

that she does. She's always, I don't think she really wants to. I said, it is kind of a very believable. I gotta be honest with you. Yeah. I don't know if she wants me to say this.

Yes. But you're kind of wrong. Oh, she does want to play. At one point, she did. Yeah. Within the last two years, she wanted to play. Yeah.

That's where I'll leave it because I don't want to get in trouble. It really was. I thought it was a little Survivor 47 heavy. Yeah. I think that it was Genevieve and Mark, which Genevieve had said she would only want to play if she played with Mark. There are a lot of people saying this now. But I think that like, and here's the other thing, that Genevieve, if she was going to play on Survivor Blood v. Water, would not have said I would only play on Survivor if it was Blood v. Water.

water. She doesn't, I don't think she gives anything away. Uh, but also Sam Phelan, but also Anika. I thought there was a lot of, a lot of Survivor 47. Yeah. Got Sean Rector on there. Sean Rector. I think we, he was in the mix for Survivor 50. And so I thought like, oh, maybe this is like sort of like the makeup call for Survivor 50. Like, this is like some people. I have, I have not gotten any calls. And honestly, I don't know that I would put myself through another survivor casting process. Yeah. But then Abby Maria tweeted out of, uh, like, who is this person And they're saying is Abby Maria's boyfriend. Oh, yeah, right?

Like, they Googled in it. I was like, this is a soccer. I think Abby actually, like, didn't DM me. She's like, who is that? I don't know. You told me. Surprise. Yeah, it's a surprise for Abby Maria.

No, I was honestly surprised that you weren't on the list. Like, I was like, come on. Like, let's make this more believable. Well, yeah, that was like a very deep cut of the first blood versus water that people thought me and Nicole were going to be on it. Wow. That would be fun when Nicole want to do it. Um, I don't, I don't know if Nicole would, like, really, if Becca did it? Would Nicole want to do it?

Would she want to do it also? I just don't think that Nicole is, like, I feel like that if they, like, called for like the civilian traders. I think that that would be more up Nicole's alley. But the, like, going on Survivor, Nicole is not going to, like, want to be in the elements. Like, it's not, it's not her spot. Okay. Right. You know, I think she would have certainly, like, certain strengths in the game, but I think that this is, uh, and that's not for her. never know yeah but maybe maybe you're just saying that because you're in the mix for 52 maybe you're flying out for 52 you know I'm gonna be doing a lot of traveling

I have a lot of travel coming up everybody so yeah be on the lookout but first the first blood versus water that people thought that maybe me and Nicole could be on it and I was playing into it at the time Okay.

And I really, then we, Nicole was pregnant with Dominic, and we were then going to be moving to, like we were in like a two-bedroom apartment. No, not here. This is like way,

way back when, like yeah. And so we were moving to, we were going to move into this townhouse that had three bedrooms. So I could have my podcast room and then also the baby could have a nursery. So we were moving.

And so it was coinciding with when they were going to leave for Survivor. blood versus water. And we were really playing up that we had a big announcement coming up of the, like, hey, we've a big announcement and also I'm going to be offline for a little bit. And people were like, really that at that point in time, in 2013, people were really running with this.

But then we announced that Nicole was pregnant. Well, I guess, yeah. And then just like ended up the podcast. Yeah. So like, it was the Survivor Caramowin finale and we were teasing. And then like at the end of the show, we're going to have a big announcement. for everybody. We're going to like have a big announcement here live on the podcast and then Nicole came in and we said, uh, Nicole's pregnant and then, uh, say, good night.

Bye. I don't think that Stephen knew either. I think Stephen knew that I wasn't on Survivor, but I don't think Stephen knew that we're, that's what the big announcement. I will say the pregnancy probably softened like the blow for like people who would have been mad at you for playing with their emotions. They were excited. Um, you know, but it got to like Aris. Aris was like sending me messages of like, hey, you're not on this season, right? Like, you better, like, because if you are, you're going to be the first one out because of you're lying to people. Well, I will say that it was weird that this, like, Reddit list, like, caused people

to call me and check. Like, I was like, I, you are, like, a close friend. I would have told you. Yeah. So it is weird. Should I have played into it more? I mean, I think you just troll people. That's really all you can do.

I would say, to kudos to whoever made the list. Yeah. Because it was a very convincing list. Who else was on it? Sean Rector, Abby Maria. Sheehan? Sheehan? She was playing?

I think so. But also, was it enough people? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know if I could just find it. Tyson did message me when I, like, posted it, and he was, like, 11 women for the first time. because that was the breakdown and I was like yes nine horsemen of the apocalypse

okay what returny season would you be most excited to play on besides blood versus water from Johnny I don't I don't know that I would be excited to play on a returning season at this point

yeah I feel like I don't know that I would want to you did recently the endurance challenge as part of the festivities around you did hands on a hard idol. Yes, that was fun. I was very excited to be a part of that. I'll be honest.

That was like super cool. I think that that should have been the final immunity challenge. That should have been on the ballot for this season. That is the iconic survivor immunity challenge. So I am like very excited even though it was for just like a trip to Fiji

and it was in the middle of a train station. I'm very excited that I got to be a part of that. That is very few. You ended up coming in second. place. Yeah, we don't need. I always get this close. And your, and your prize was a year supply. A year supply, which a year supply is quite a lot. I will say, I didn't know that you could eat 2,000 chocolate bars in a year. Yeah. Okay. And I have been trying to share the wealth. Yes. Yes. If you want to

partake. So, do you know that Jesse has visited recently and shared, some candy with my friend came over. That is, this is, my friend came over, brought candy, which I felt like it makes it my candy. I can't tell you how many fights there have been at my house over candy that you brought here. And then we went to go to Mr. Beast a couple weeks after that. And then at Mr. Beast, they were like, oh, thank you. some feastables also. So my kids have had so many fights over whose candy is this. Look, you don't get to complain about how much feastables you have. Okay. Until you come to my house and see how many

festivals I have. Yeah, but do your kids fight over it? Uh, or you fight with your kids if they can have it. We give them like one a week, which is like, don't judge, don't judge me. My, Oh, my kids are, like, raiding the pantry. And, like, Nicole had... I don't even know where they are anymore because Nicole's had to, like, hide them. Why don't you hide them up here? Well, you know, I don't want to know where they are

because I'll also like... You like the feastables. I do like that. I really like the peanut butter cup. That's the one, I will say. And the... Is it caramel or caramel? I've heard it both ways.

It's definitely caramel. Here, Sam shared the list of the Survivor 52 cast. Although, I need an eye chart from... To see what this is. Hey, that's my... That's my one. Oh, okay,

this is Sean Rector. Oh, Amanda Kimmel and her sister. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. Then, Devin Pinto, they got for this.

Damabate. I think this is his daughter. He was Jesse. Amanda Kimmel didn't back out of this one. Okay. And then,

oh, and then, Sof. Sof. We go, like, we have history. Yeah.

She stepped down out of the hands on a hard idol challenge. for tickets to the finale. Yes. Okay. So there's, there's Sof,

as the final cast member of, uh, Boy versus Water 52. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We did it.

Um, do you see anything else? In this question list? Is that often that the guest can also see the, the question list? I'll say, I can't see from here. Let me see.

Yeah. It's probably been two million on day one. If Jesse was part of. If Jesse was part, if Jesse was part of the cast and seeing how the jury's shaping up, would he still use the same strategy of voting his number one out

as he gets closer to the end game? Is that what you thought? Voting out my number one? Yes. Yeah, well, I voted out like my number. Did you do it to like to put Cody on the jury to go vouch for you? I mean, that's like partially,

but like that was also like motivated by the fact that like I felt like I did not want to lose to Cody and I wanted to go into the, final three with like a slam dunk scenario. Yeah. Like that was my mindset was like I don't want to get to the end and have the sort of trauma of losing by one vote like to Cody. Like I would rather like crash and burn baby. Like all of us crash and burn.

You know, because then at least I know that like if I would have made it to the end, then I would have won. So like let's make this move, take out my number one. It wasn't to take out my number one for the sake of taking out my number one. right? Like it was so that like I have somebody on the jury rooting like who can vouch for me. And hopefully I have like handled it in a way where he was willing to vouch for me. And also I don't have to compete against him. Like all of the moves get credited to me. But yeah, there's a lot that went into it.

Yeah. Like I don't know on this season, would I take out my number one? Like if I'm Rizzo. Yeah. You're out of that game now. You're keeping all your number ones. Yeah. You're not doing that anymore.

I can't look. Look. I can't get to the end. Yes. I got to keep my number ones. I'm okay with losing at the end. That's fine. That's fine.

It would be a dream to lose at the end. Yeah. So what's next for you? What do you? Definitely not blood versus water debris. Yes. I don't got much going on. My phone's not ringing.

I was thinking. So do you think that we'll get anybody else from the triangle? That's what we call our area here in North Carolina. Will anybody else from the 50s join us here? Oh, that would be fun. Would it be fun? But what if it was somebody we didn't like? That's fair.

I kind of like that it's like just us. Like, I don't want anybody. That would get weird if somebody like... What if there was somebody else that played? And you like them, but I didn't. Yeah, that's where I think it would get weird. Like, what is worse than, like, both of us not liking the person from the triangle that is on season 52 is you liking that person more than you like me. No, you liking them more than you like me.

Or, you know what else would be bad if somebody came and played from the triangle and I really liked them, but my wife didn't. That would be such a bad scenario. Rob, is that the case right now? Are you sure? Listen, if you would know, if Nicole didn't like you, you would know. Nobody has to ask. Does Nicole like me? Perhaps I do.

But for the most part, you don't need to ask my wife if Nicole likes you or not. I might ask right now. You can ask it, yeah. But I would advise you to not ask. because it's a thing also where it's like, you know, I wasn't mad, but you asked me if I was mad and now I am mad because you ask me. I don't want to ruin this. Like we have like, I kind of feel like maybe you were mad the whole time. But that's, I digress. Yeah. No, but maybe we'll get somebody else here. But I don't know. I think maybe we don't. Yeah. Let's not. Honestly, please don't. Okay. How do you think the rest of Survivor 50 will go? Hopefully good. Like, I really do feel like this. Hopefully. Like, they have been playing with fire. Like I said, like I would have hated for somebody to go home on a coin flip. I really do think that this season has been good in a lot of ways despite some of the weirdness of like somebody having to vote themselves out, like write their own name down and flip a coin and stuff.

So I think it's, you know, it's a great cast and they're showing up. I think it'll be fun. Yeah. All right. Well, next for me is tomorrow night, I'm headed to Washington, D.C. and I'm going to meet up with Stephen Fishback on Saturday afternoon for the first of my book signing stops. Then I'm going to go up to New York, get ready for the live show, Wednesday night. I have a patron meetup on Tuesday, some other fun stuff planned.

Busy week. And then I'm going to head to Boston for another book signing with Jeremy Collins. then I'm going to come home, Mother's Day, and then one week from Tuesday, I'll be here back again with you in the triangle for a book signing here in Raleigh. Yes, yes.

I'm very excited for this. This is going to be fun. Of course, you can check it all out at robiswebson.com slash events. Let me open this link, and we are going to be, at Quail Ridge Books in Raleigh, North Carolina. How about that? Packed House. Let's pack the house. I think it'll be a pretty good crowd. And of course, the tribe and I have spoken,

available everywhere, books and an audio book. Audio book. Yeah. So I have a copy, like I mentioned, but how do I get the digital, like the pre-order digital list? Oh, awesome. I kind of just want to see what you wrote about all the Survivor. I mean, I could show it to you, I could show it to you when we're done with this podcast. Oh, okay. All right, cool. If you want to see it. I mean, you came all the way here.

Is that still a thing? The pre-order is still a thing. Yes. You still get the pre-order, and that's going to come out June 1st, I believe. We're going to have include our Survivor 50 thoughts also. Did you handwrite these, like, sentences? No, I did it on the computer. Okay.

That would have been pretty big. Yes. Okay. All right. Anything you want people to check out? No, I got, again, like, I don't got much going on. I'm at home with my kids. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, this was such a pleasure. I'm so glad you're back. Yes. It's always fun. Yes. And don't wait for like four more seasons to come back.

Unless you're on Survivor 52, and then we have to, then you're on, like, with wait for the air. Yeah. I enjoyed this. This was fun. Yeah. This was fun. This was great.

And thank you so much for everybody. often too. Yeah, let's go to, let's go to breakfast. Let's do it. And then we'll leave no, no family. Yeah. Can we podcast at breakfast? Like maybe we should like take the podcast on the road. We don't know. We'll have, I mean, look, I love the podcast, but like, we'll probably have more fun if it's not a podcast. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, you know, we could, you know, cover more ground. Yeah. Let's do it. I mean, I'll, well, we can podcast if you want. Think that in the, in the, let's have breakfast without the podcast and then we can podcast. I won't think. I won't think. I won't think. I won't think. I'll, well, we can. I won't

know. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Jesse. And of course, we've got our patron Q&A coming up on Friday and a big week coming up as it's book launch week here on RHAP. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.