RHAP: We Know Survivor - Jessica Liese on Survivor B&B: S48 Ep 2

Episode Date: March 9, 2025

Jessica Liese on Survivor B&B: S48 Ep 2 With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor […]

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It's the R.H.A. You can say for free. Hi everybody and welcome to the R.H.A.P. B&B for week two of Survivor 48. My name is Mike Bloom and we need to talk about Kevin as well as a bunch of other players as we say goodbye to a man that had a lot going on in those first five days. The self-proclaimed king of Vula has been deposed. And here we are as the proletariat to get together and talk about the pros and cons of getting rid of this tribe as the misty season 48 continues.

And I'm sure we'll be talking plenty about humble traits. I guess my humble trait is that I have a very loud voice. I don't know, Leanna Boris, it's your birthday or it was. I think we could still do it on your birthday. Are there any humble traits that you wanna highlight, but you don't need to be humble across your birthday. Define a humble trait. So charity defined it as like,

God gives us these little kind of quirks and imperfections that in a way. Keep you humble. Because that sort of just makes us who we are. Yeah, OK. When I laugh really, really, really hard, sometimes I pee my pants a little bit. I think that's my my weak pelvic floor is my humble trait. You know what? It Could be a lot worse. I think that's what I ultimately see with the humble traits is like, I think they're not supposed to be like completely, completely dire.

It's just these small little things that make you stand out a bit more from the person next to you. And of course, the person next to me is the person that has been next to me a couple of times this week, considering that we just kicked off our coverage of the amazing race 37, which is airing alongside Survivor now on Wednesday night. Jessica Lease, is there a humble trait that you'd like to shout out? I will give a special shout out to my TMJ

that makes a weird clicking noise when I eat. OK, there we go. I mean, that's the good thing about survivors, like you're barely eating. So I think if you feel embarrassed about that trait, honestly, if you feel like table manners are an issue of yours, survivor might be the perfect show because you're very rarely going to show them all. Yeah. And everybody's eating with their hands anyway when they do get to eat. It makes perfect sense.

Mm hmm. Now, click away, Jessica Leeds. Click away. Well, hopefully everyone can click on these podcasts that we're making as well as the season is just getting started. But I don't know. We got what, three and a half hours of content so far, two boots and a whole lot of calamity to talk about. Idols are being found, but some may low key be be sabotaged. At the same time, we got two more advantages introduced and the vulas will keep on

voolahing as we get more interpersonal conflict leading to a blind side. But before all that, I don't want to skip over the fact that it is the birthday weekend of one of the co-hosts of the BNB. Leona Boris. Yes. Yes. How does how are you feeling right now? Did you do any dishes yesterday? Did I do it? No, no, and I didn't hide anything from anyone.

I got to solve my own cryptex. Puyia and I went to an escape room. I had to like dig through, there was a coffin. It was, it was Spanish Inquisition themed. So I never would have expected that, but we did like dig through, there was like a coffin with a bunch of things that you'd like dig through all the spiders and stuff.

And I lost a press on nail in there. And so it's just forever part of the escape room now. We escaped thankfully. So it was a bit chaotic, but yeah, I'm happy to be here and happy to be blessed with such a fun survivor episode to talk about this week. It really, it's all coming up, Liana. Like I'm really, really having so much fun to be here and happy to be blessed with such a fun survivor episode to talk about this week. It really it's all coming up, Liana. Like I'm really, really having so much fun with this season

so far. And this episode with Kevin going home, I was genuinely shocked at this boot episode. I still am mulling over the idea of a Spanish Inquisition themed escape room. I'm not sure why in the course of human history they decided like, let me read the room right now. themed escape room. I'm not sure why in the course of human history they decided like, let me read the room right now. The escape room. I think this is the perfect time to really lock people into this environment for a specific portion of time. You're saying that you didn't expect it, Mike. Yeah, exactly.

Very you must expect the unexpected. Maybe a big brother was the Spanish inquisition all along. It's the Spanish. The real inquisition was the friends we made along the way. I mean, I would say, listen, when a host is maybe pushing their own religious narratives, maybe it's not too far. We're just trying to shake with the. But just I want to hear your thoughts on Survivor 48 so far,

because we are a couple of episodes in, as Liana says, it has already been quite a journey, not the quite literal one that a few people will take this episode. What have you been thinking for two episodes? I feel like we are still very much getting to know these players because we are still playing icebreaker games at the top of every episode. And, you know, I have I've kind of devolved over the years. I was like someone who could give you a TED talk on the strategic decisions of all of the first like 20 seasons.

And then, you know, in the R.H.P. era, I got even more annoying and insufferable about high level strategy. But I think now that we've, you know, dropped the four, we are eight seasons into this experiment. Pretty soon we won't even have a four to deal with because it'll just be a five. I'm all about vibes. And this is a very vibey season so far, and I'm I'm loving that. Yeah, I completely agree. To your point, like we started the episode with Seva, which is like, I think, sort of portrayed as Siga, which not only makes sense in terms of accidents, also the fact that they live on the same beach,

but also like I wouldn't say they're the love tribe, but they're definitely the vibe tribe of like we keep on winning. Unlike Loggy, there is not like a huge amount of combative stuff going on. So they're saying, hey, you know what? Let's all go around and point out how weird we are to each other, which also feels relatable at the same time. I think a lot of people talked about in the preseason, especially again, a bit of the old school vibe of this cast that maybe some of the people cast embody a time before the new era, which I think some people stereotype as a bit more like nerdy and geeky.

But here you have David, one of the biggest self-proclaimed hunks of the season, coming out, calling himself a four-nippled man. So like it shows at the end of the day, we are all human, regardless of what casting slot or archetype we might occupy. I mean, we're not casting. We're not just casting mindless himbows anymore. We're casting mindless himbows with surplus nipples. Bonus nipples.

I still think my favorite quote of the episode though, is when David said something along the lines. I'm not saying I would want to milk myself, but. What? Not only the nipples, but the self milking. Very, very interesting. I'm a dude. If you're a dude and you are able to self milk, I feel like you probably need to call your doctor.

Or they might need to do more strenuous drug testing. If that's the case. I mean, that would be interesting, though, on multiple levels. I mean, talk about survivors too easy in the new era. How much of a leg up would it be if you had, you know, why cast the cow? You could get the milk for free. You have David out there lactating all for and then.

Well, I guess, oh, you know what? They're going to have to vote somebody out. There's only four nipple slots. It's like when mothers. No, no, no. Don't put the image of Siva suckling at David's teats in our minds. OK, really? It's already there. This is that this is that intro to that one episode of the data carvey show all over again.

Oh, my God. If you don't know it, look it up. I mean, but I love it, though, because again, it just showcases how, to your point, this is such a a vibesy cast. I love everyone razzing Kyle for him being like, I'm pretty sure this is just a really weird blemish on my finger that I've had for a decade. Yeah, callous. It was a callous. And then all of the individual confessionals with everyone else say, that's a wart. Kyle, that's a wart.

Is callous or wart the new dirt or poop? Yes, exactly. I mean, what will be interesting is that I think this perfectly tees up Kyle for a final tribal council speech where he says, listen, I know that we all had imperfect games, but I think warts and all. I played the best one out of the three of us. He's got to hold up his finger. And then I think David sits next to him saying, like, listen,

I'm not going to milk my story at all. I think we just need if any SEVA players make it. You all have a bunch of puns now that you can utilize your final travel. I played an utterly perfect game. Yeah, that's great. Chrissy was like, I really dug deep out of my belly button. I don't know. I think that's not the profile for the password for the Wi-Fi.

What dig deep and dig deep into Chris, into Chrissy's belly button in 48. I think my favorite part was when Chrissy was talking about that, it was. And this is what this is what's so fun about Survivor is sometimes there's things that you think in life everybody experiences, right? Or everybody is like this. Then you go into a group of people you've never met before. You're sharing all these things. And Chrissy's like, yeah, I thought everybody had to dig into their belly button

with a Q-tip to clean it out and everybody else that drives like, ah, no, absolutely not. I love it. It's so fun. Yeah, I'm expecting a storyline where like they support a clothesline off of it. I'm like, all right, Chrissy, we could or like, could this be the new D's toe? I know people were talking about charity ragged toes. Could this be something, though, where maybe Chrissy's belly button ends up? Maybe there's an endurance challenge where you have to like hold something. And as long as it doesn't fall below your waist, you're still in the game.

And she ends up leaning this up against the apparent Mariana Trench, Robert Mariano Trench, that is her belly button. And she ends up getting the win as a result. I'll be Chrissy's DMs. A little B trench. No, I mean, me. It was the perfect place to hide an idol, especially with idols these days, being just these like four beads.

Oh, could she say it's a belly button piercing? Yeah. And then you just you just you just shove it in there. You like, yeah, no, I've had this the entire time. Yeah. I mean, the girls had like a wild night one time and I decided, yeah, throw a bunch of beads on a feather and pierce my belly button with it. And I brought it into Survivor. It's just a new it's a new hiding place that way, you know, you can search me. Feel free to search me. I don't have an idol. Yeah, I mean, really is the next level from like PG trying to bring a flint in her earrings in Cambodia. Like if you come in with a bunch of decorated merchandise as piercings,

like then it'll just be able to blend in pretty seamlessly with your general aesthetic. I mean, you could go look and see the kinds of beads they have that they use. Deck yourself out. I got anklets, I got bracelets, I got earrings, I got necklaces. And then no one's going to know the difference when you have one extra piece of jewelry hiding in plain sight. So it's like the where's Waldo of a media. Exactly. And that would be the true knowledge is power, right?

They brought that back of like, all right, can I have your idols? Like you can if you can discern which one of my pieces of jewelry is the real idol. Oh, and then it's a game. I love that. Exactly that. No, that'll be the next journey is like, OK, you have to slide around all the pieces of jewelry to find the correct one, and that'll be your advantage. I still think they should be able to get to because remember when was it Carolyn who got the no, who is it that got the idol making kit with Cochran?

Oh, that was the boat. Oh, Debbie. Yes. Yeah, different, different quirky. I can hear the conversation. Like you should be able to get to make your idol into another piece of jewelry. Like you should get the beads. The crypt text should contain the beads and then the string

and then you can make it into what you want, like for how you want to wear it. That way we get some personalization into these idols. It's like a reward and an advantage. Exactly. And a craft. Yeah, I think that could be a fun way. Listen, these people are telling everybody else anyway about these crypt texts so that they could solve them like what a nice bonding experience.

It's like, all right, everybody, let's do some arts and crafts. Let's all work on making my idol, please. That would be great. And that would also test the limits of your relationship, because like, look, you had Camilla solve the crypt text and hand the idol over to Kyle, which was obviously a big sign of trust. But how far would these people go to sit down and actually help weave and string up your own idol? See, here's where, you know, shout out to several seasons ago, not several seasons ago, a couple of seasons ago. Being a Swifty would be a huge advantage in the survivor game

because you've made so many friendship bracelets. It's like someone will seek you out and be like, hey, look, I got this idol making kit. I have to make the idol before it works. And I need someone who can help me make something that looks like a convincing piece of jewelry because, OK, I'm taking it a step further. Not only your immunity idol is a bunch of beads and string and supplies, you have to make something out of it.

You also have to wear it in plain sight. And if somebody calls you out on it, you know, so you have to make it look like a convincing enough piece of jewelry that nobody's going to call you out on having an eye. Yeah, that's the new phrase at at immunity. All right. Like you got to do something that is the risk. That's that's always the thing that seems to be what they're going for.

There's got to be some inherent risk in getting the advantage. Yeah, I'll wait. My executive producer credit in the mail. There you go. There you go. Yeah, that's what activates it or something like that. Yeah. I mean, I will say it is interesting to see now with all three cryptex is being found

how much that information is spreading. I mean, especially like on Loggy, all five people knew, like Star told five people about it essentially. Yeah. What's interesting though is that, okay, so she told, she told Shaheen who then told- She told Joe. Joe wrote to Shaheen.

Oh, Joe wrote to Shaheen who then told Joe, Joe wrote Joe Chautauchin. Yes. And so I don't know if she wanted Shaheen to know, but she did purposely seek out Thomas and Bianca as a pair. So, I mean, it ended up being like, OK, Eva is the only one that doesn't need to know. But yeah, I am very intrigued by her quite literally casting the net. Why? Maybe she was like, Joe doesn't know how to solve this. Let me get the puzzle people on this. I should have gone to the puzzle people in the first place.

Yeah, I mean, shout out to whoever made this script text, by the way, because you can tell this is a person that plays a lot of Scrabble because they chose a word that was several commonly used words and it could have been any one of them. Mm hmm. Yeah, because we still don't have the final one. So we had listen was was Vula in the first episode. We had enlist, which like, wow, didn't know that CBS was so in the pocket of the military. But here we are.

And then so we have one more that we could still see. Silent, right. And or tinsel. Mm hmm. OK, that so OK. Pui and I were actually talking about this yesterday. The fact that we we like. Yeah, no, but that's OK, but that's I'm saying, like silent. And listen, are the two their survivor words. They feel very applicable.

And then it was like crap. We need a third word. What's the most relevant survivor word that we can come up with? Because tinsel, I mean, don't get me wrong, super fun, not really survivor theme. So I feel like enlist just necessary, like just became the third by default, because it was maybe the most survivor applicable, but silent and listen, or are so bang on. I love that. Yeah, but you also have to enlist people to help you solve

your cryptics. Exactly. Yeah, that's what they were going for all along. Yeah, ironically enough, but they despite star not knowing the word, she kind of used that word's advice and was like, I feel like I should enlist people to do this. How great would it be if she really had used the word like she's sitting there looking at it and she's like, I need to enlist somebody. Yeah. Or like you take it as an order, like, listen, OK.

What is it saying? I can't hear the ocean. All right. Well, let's get into everything going on with Vula this episode. I mean, truly honest point. You know, I didn't exactly get the sense that Kevin was automatically going. I think there were a couple of these little editing tricks, right, with him talking about, yeah, everything's going my way, even that scene of like him sitting Mary down and being like, just put your head down. I'm going to make the magic happen.

It came across a little too much like this guy's very confident in what he's going to do. But I still did not expect this to turn the way it did. I mean, at least from my perspective, Jess, it almost seemed for a second that we could have gotten a two one one vote at the end episode to if Cedric and Justin decided for whatever reason to leave say out of it. I mean, that seems like, you know, if they want to be the ones that are the decision makers, that's what they should have done. I didn't think Justin would have been the one that was gonna, like, I didn't have that

in my bingo card, I think. So that was the thing that was probably the most surprising to me. I mean, I, cause what had we seen previous up to that? We had seen Justin and Kevin have a conversation in the woods where they're saying, look, we're the decision makers here. This would have been for episode one.

So I thought, oh, okay, we're seeing a bond form between the two of them. But I guess not, because Justin seemed more connected to Cedric. Yeah. And that's what Kevin pretty much confirmed to me and other people in exit press as well. He's like, yeah, I don't know why they showed us as the pair in the middle. We weren't that incredibly close. Like his personality got on much more with Cedric.

And so maybe that's an example of that, of Justin really feeling like this is too much and he's not so close to me that I need to keep him in from this perspective. So yeah, I mean, it was clearly the last tribal council was all about strength versus loyalty, and they are just throwing strength out the window at this point, considering that with no offense to the others, I do think that, you know, Kevin was the physically strongest person. Look at that mask smashing from the first immunity challenge. Like he had to go up against David and Joe. And so honestly, it's kind of audacious on their part. But also I wouldn't even say resignation as much as like rationalization of. Listen, unless these are incredibly evenly matched challenges

that don't require any physical tests of strength whatsoever, unless this is a take home test, we're pretty much going to be going to tribal council multiple times here. So let's just put the cart before the horse and already start planning to get rid of people that might seem a bit seedier to my game rather than, oh, this person is going to help us pull the rope slightly better in the next challenge. Mm hmm. Well, two episodes in. I think it's too early to call a match, saying, right?

They're going back to tribal. I don't know. I'll bet money on it that they're going to go back. I just I don't feel positive about this tribe's success in individual immunities. And I think it's a combination of them voting out strong players and then also just the other two tribes already being stacked. So I don't know. For me, I just I do kind of agree with Mike's assessment for Justin.

It kind of puts him in an interesting position, because I felt like he was almost between maybe two pairs, if he considered Kevin and Mary a pair and then say and Cedric as another pair. So for him, if he gets down, you know, you're thinking, okay, then next time we vote out Mary, then the time after that, you know, we then I'm the odd man out if I feel like Cedric and say are closer. So I do think that there's something about his relationship with Cedric. They they might be quite close. I don't know that that's ultimately the decision that he went with, or he was nervous that Kevin and Mary were very close. And he thought, well, maybe he can get between say and Cedric

if he's thinking that far ahead. But kind of feels to me like nobody is counting Mary into anything. And like every single time they start talking about a vote, she's the poor decoy. And I feel really bad for the person who ends up being that person, because it's almost like they don't even they're even register that she is, you know, that she counts for anybody else. Well, she's going to go this episode. Yeah, she's going to go to.

So and I'm trying to think like I'm of a new era player who had I wouldn't say like as rough of a star because obviously that has a lot of definitions. Like think about the fact that Mary was the only person that didn't realize that Stephanie was going to be voted out. Stephanie herself realized it to the point where she played the shot in the dark. And then this episode, she was the only person outside of Kevin who was left out of the plan to get rid of Kevin. And so, listen, it is very entertaining to see the fact that she ends

both of these tribal councils wearing the exact same thing on her body and on her face, which is complete shock at the same time. Yeah. And I think the large reason why Vula is losing, I mean, I think a good contributor is again, the strength disparity, but is the fact that there's just no cohesion going on with this group. And I think that is sort of representative of it, right? That like, in these early votes on paper, and we've seen it multiple times before, these should be very easy, slam dunk, unifying votes. And I think just due to a lot of the personality disparities, let's face it

between Say and Mary, they are so fricking fractured that they're even going to say like, yeah, we're pulling off this massive blind side on the person that was the swing vote in episode one, but we're going to leave someone out of it still, despite the fact that there are only five tribe members. It's blind sides within within blindsides, honestly. But can you really be blindsided if you never know what's going on? Yeah, is it really a blindside? Is it a blindside if you're always blind?

Blindside falls in the woods and you don't hear it. Is it still a blindside? No, I don't know. I mean, I look at their challenge performance, right? And Mary seemed to crush it on the first leg of the challenge. Then the second leg of the challenge, they were ahead of Orange.

So yeah, I mean, maybe cohesion, but it felt like just Cedric couldn't get a handle on the balance. Like that's the only reason why they went home. I didn't think that it was necessarily because of a lack of teamwork. I mean, I guess Kevin and Cedric didn't work together, but I didn't think that that was like a communication teamwork kind of problem.

Yeah. Well, I think no matter what, if they had reached it like five minutes ahead of Siva, Mitch Curry would have come through and just dropped. Oh, my God. What a baller. I was so upset. I love Mitch. I was so upset. Literally. I love Mitch. I was so clutch. And when David like grabs his head and like shoves his head like they do this like headbutt kind of thing, I was like, oh, yes.

I mean, I had a feeling like they were going to crush it in the tribal or in the immunity, because when all of their content is about their nipples, it's like, OK, when I get anything set up really here for them to go to tribal. But it was really impressive for Mitch. Good for him. Really interesting episode for Mitch, because a really impressive, I would say, like seven minute sequence where he has this really great dialogue

with Jeff about him clarifying what to do in conversations with him when he is stuttering, whether know, what to do in conversations with him. And he is stuttering whether they should try to let him finish or, you know, try to help him along, quote unquote. So I'm really glad again, he was able to vocalize that because I would imagine a lot of people have not had experience with people who stutter in their lives. And so I think was really fantastically educational, not only for Jeff, but for all of us as well.

And then he just like is absolutely sinking buckets at the end of it. But then it comes on the other side of things where like, like if Siva does end up going to tribal council, I don't know, Leona, he might be the person left out of the nipple suckling. Like it's he's really excelled in this challenge. But the previous hour or so it showcased, especially him coming back from the journey and deciding to be so upfront about his information, which I think does have benefits. I think it unfortunately kind of emboldens his position that he's not realizing

he's in, which is like there is a four and charity did get herself in hot water initially, but Mitch is looking more and more dangerous as each day passes. Mm hmm. I know that did make me nervous for him when he has the conversation with Jeff and before the immunity, there was a hot second or said, Oh no, is this Mitch's boot up? No, please don't be just boot up. I mean, the benefit is that now he has a block about the unfortunate part is everybody knows about it. And also, it doesn't really matter if there's a four person majority going after you because

you block one of those votes, it's still a three to two. So it does seem a little bit dire for Mitch, at least in terms of the current social dynamics that are over on SEVA. That being said, there's still a lot of time. And I think that this tribe is super strong and that there's a universe where they don't go to try at all. And that is able to, you know, help Mitch get him to the merge. And then it's a completely different game from there. Yeah, I don't think I don't think anybody's really

they don't even need to have strategy in the conversation yet, to be honest. Like and, you know, we've seen that bite so many tribes in the butt coming, coming through like they spend so much time not going to tribal council. They kind of forget they have to eventually vote people out. And then once they get there, they don't have their they don't have their stuff together. But I also want to call out the underhand free throw move. Yes. Yeah. Shout out to Rick Barry.

That's that's amazing. That's that's the way to do it. You got you out to Rick Berry. That's that's amazing. That's that's the way to do it. You got you got to shoot grandma. I like. Yes. You're not. Yes. No points out there. Like you got to sink it at the end of the day. And so that is the best way to guarantee.

Leona, maybe you can speak to this from a physics perspective. Like this is how you get the best arc. This is how you're able to aim a bit better because there's no backboard. That's the issue. Exactly. There's no backboard. That's the issue. Exactly. There's no backboard. And also you're tired. So you want to try to use momentum as best as possible as you swing your arms upwards to try to get the ball going.

But for me, one of the other physical feats in this episode was when Joe just launches the ball or the buoy, whatever it is. And Jeff Probst goes, the Tom Brady, a survivor. Just like, OK, that's like quite high. OK, but also this isn't football. Yeah. Couldn't he be the Michael Jordan, a survivor? We said in response to that, Jeff would milk Joe if he could. Where's that gif of them reaching underneath the shelter

and wiggling it back and forth to get the idol out of it? Yeah, yeah. Which speaking of Jeff Phrases, the sorry for you. I'm I'm enjoying that. I'm happy with that becoming part of sort of the canon of survivors. Sorry for you. The otherwise known as the losers is just not hitting for me. I just, I mean, we need to move on from that.

I think, I think sorry for you is such, it is a humble trait in that it is so beautiful in how imperfect it is. Like what an odd configuration of three words. What a choice of preposition. Sorry for you is like it feels like it's doing. OK, I took a sentence and Google translated it into Mandarin and Google translated it into like Burmese and Google translated it

into Portuguese and Google translated back to English like. Yeah. Sorry for you. If I saw that printed on a T-shirt, like it feels like there's a misprint somehow. I'd have to call the manufacturer. So it has that iconic this to it. And but otherwise known as the losers. It's too wordy. It's not really a call. Like you saw kind of the meek response to the call answer the call.

And to your point, Jess, it feels a little and especially in this day and age where we're kind of experiencing these one disaster tribes that keep losing season week after week every season. Like it does feel a little bit like him almost calling out one tribe. In fact, there was one season in forty six where he actually did equate one of the tribes to the losers. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Well, I think it needs to go off where spin and grin landed in the graveyard of catchphrases. Is Jeff Probst asking chat GPT to help him come up with new survivor catchphrases? That's definitely a possibility. I I don't know, though, it's almost maybe that's why it's so wordy. I feel like chat GPT is always really wordy. So maybe otherwise known as the losers. That's where that came from. But I don't I don't even think I could come up with sorry for you.

Yeah, well, because he previously said, right, like, oh, you know, first time to finish gets immunity. Losers, I'll see you at tribal council where so and so will be the ex person voted out of the tribe. So losers has always been invited in there. Why does he feel that he needs like the em dash, you know, parenthetical of like otherwise known as? Yes, otherwise, it's like, no.

The who what? Well, what are they being called? Like, what's the other term for them then? If it's not the losers, right? It's not like we know what the other phrase is that you would need the otherwise. The people who win and the people who didn't win. Yeah. So the people who didn't win otherwise known as the losers. I don't know. Could you use some like shorthand? Can you say I.E. the losers, a't win otherwise known as the losers. I don't know. Could he could he use some like shorthand?

Can you say I.E. the losers, a.k.a. the losers, e.g. the losers, alias the losers. Just call them the losers. Just be like, and the losers are coming to tribal council. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's what he said before. That's what I'm saying. You know, there's no need for the otherwise known as well, it gets like, yes, the little symbol, otherwise known as Prince, right?

Like there's no, there's no need. There's no other name. Anyway, it's been really bothering me this season, so I'm happy we could talk about it. Bet MGM is an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League and has your back all season long. From puck drop to the final shot, you're always taken care of with the sportsbook Born in Vegas.

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And some people, again, including Shaheen felt that goes too far. Some feel like that is par for the course, like you gave it to me. Not my fault if I lose it. Jess, where do you stand on all this? Well, I feel like there's a lot of plausible deniability you could deploy here. Like, oh, yeah, I had this thing. I'm not very good at keeping track of things. I got no executive functioning. It's gone.

Sorry. Lost it. My bad. All right. For you. Sorry for you. Sorry for you. But I don't know. I think. It's a little bit. It's a little bit mean for the sake of mean. But on the other hand, you need those people in the game. I've kind of totally here. OK, here's the thing.

The same thought ran through my brain, right? My thought was, oh, just don't solve it for her. That was that was my thought. I didn't think to lose it or to throw it away or something like that. But again, you have to think about how that action is gonna be perceived by your fellow Tribe mates. I had that thought, oh, I'm never gonna say that out loud,

especially because your work, unless you have the single person. So maybe if Thomas had said that to Bianca, that I would have understood. Or I don't know, maybe him and Shaheen are closer than we know. But because that kind of mentality, that's if they're learning about you as a game player, that's why I think in the early days of Survivor,

like be as blank as you possibly can. I mean, give people enough to know that you're sort of, that's just like nice, amiable person, but you never want to expose that you're this devious strategist that would be willing to throw something away to sabotage somebody because that paints such a huge target on your back. We see this immediately backfire against Thomas when Shaheen has his confessional talking about, oh, that's scary.

I'm noting that, like, if he's willing to do that, what would he be willing to do in other situations? So to me, like there's the you can have the thought, but then what do you actually do with that? Or maybe you do just go accidentally lose it somewhere. I don't think anybody's probably going to believe you at that stage. But anyway, it's a very, very interesting discussion, because I think it also talks about when you are setting the norms for a season of Survivor, because those are the players that are coming together to essentially establish the unwritten rules of that season. Social contract.

Exactly. You can have a season where maybe everybody's going to do that. But in this season, that is not the case. And I think Thomas is on an island in terms of people that would be willing to kind of take it to that next step of sabotage. I think you've got to you've got to either you got either not express the thought or you got to fully commit to the bit. And I think you have to be you have to be like a Rob Mariano level of manipulative to fully commit to the bit like he shouldn't lose it.

You should hold it hostage. Oh, you should demand you should demand tribute before he does anything with it. So be like, hey, so I figured it out. This is what I want in return. I listen, I was able to solve it. What's in it for me? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, maybe that's the move. But again, I think it paints you like it just paints you so dangerously.

And even when you can, you can do the smallest thing that gets you into trouble. So for example, we had the star versus Eva conflict where, and we got to see, well, okay. At least the show showed us what we think Eva said that was the thing that annoyed Star. And I will tell you, at least

from an outside observer watching it, Eva's suggestion didn't seem that bad. Of course, it comes with implications about Star's ability to compete in challenges, but it's not like the way that Eva said it was, yeah, so Star sucks at challenges, so definitely she should be the one that's sitting out. It was a, could be considered a fairly innocuous comment. I think that there's a universe where a different person hears that comment and nothing comes from it.

So when any little teeny tiny thing can paint a target on your back or can step can anger someone against you, you just have to be so incredibly cautious with everything that you do and say and suggest. Yeah, and I definitely feel like I agree that I think what Eva was expressing was especially from her perspective, like very matter of fact, right? Like, okay, we are the three physically strongest and Thomas and Bianca work on the puzzles. I think the tough thing is, and I guess this is where, you know, Claire from 44's legacy continues that they can't sit star out at the next challenge. So I think the fear would have come from a different universe where stars like, great, all right, you're just outing me as the weakest link

and so therefore I'm gonna get set out of every single challenge from here on out. But I think for her, it probably also emboldens what she had confirmed in her head, which is like, nobody's talking with me, I'm on the outs, they wanna sit me out of this challenge against my will, so I am going to hit the beach running. And so maybe from that point, go ahead.

Well, the actual phrase was maybe Star could sit out and it was said with an upwards inflection of a question mark. It wasn't even a declarative sentence and it was set with a maybe. So it's like, but I totally hear what you're saying. And if I was in Star's situation, that would, you are looking for those clues

that are gonna confirm what you're feeling or you're gonna look for the clues that are going to confirm what you're feeling or you're going to look for the clues that are going to help your social situation make sense. So I understand why she interpreted it that way. But I guess I'm using that as an example of you never know how things are going to be interpreted based on other people's perspectives. And those are all valid. Yeah, absolutely. And I think maybe this is also why Star decides that five, six of the tribes

should know about this. And you know, there's a little nugget that I thought was really interesting was when she ends up going up to Thomas and Bianca, right? And she's like, I want to talk some game. And Thomas is like, I have been waiting. Like it seems that what we're piecing together is that Star has really been trying to slow play this from the jump. Maybe that contrasts with like her hitting the jungle like a mad woman.

But then she comes back and is like totally not giving anything, which is also very interesting considering the disparity from again, that energy level, that infectious enthusiasm that she brought in the preseason interview. It is I could see her going along with this logic of like, well, this information is something to connect me with people, perhaps a bit belatedly. I think maybe it was a bit of like, well, this information is something to connect me with people, perhaps a bit belatedly. I think maybe it was a bit of like not too little too late, too much too late at the same time.

But we'll see again if this tribe sort of like Siva doesn't end up losing. And I would say maybe Loggy has a better chance of just clean sweeping than Siva does at this point, because it does seem like Siva has one Achilles heel in the form of puzzles. Like, if Star ends up getting to the merge, there could be a very good chance that she just ends up hopping over immediately,

especially if she sort of feels this consternation or this outsider status continue to build over the course of days at a time. But to go back to the Thomas of it all, I totally cosine what you say, Leon, of like, what a fun idea. You know, I think this is something that certainly has been kind of discussed with the recent discourse of the traders about how maybe people's respective reality TV experiences in terms of viewership kind of inform how much of an appetite

they have for certain things that can happen in the game. I mean, listen, even something like throwing a challenge has still caused a wide variety of discourse amongst the survivor community. So like, I think it's a lot of fun, but I very much can see why people on and off the island would feel that that's taking things too far. I mean, even look at 46 when like, I would not call this comparable, but like what Tiffany and Kenzie end up doing with Jess, right? Which is we don't want her to play the shot, her shot in the dark. So let's make her think she has an idol by making this fake one and having her find it. That would, that to me seems even more so like,

you know, they knew that they had the idol. So it's not like they were necessarily preventing this massive thing. It's just the shot in the dark, but people would see that it feels kind of needlessly cruel or a bit like punching down to have her wander around here. This feels a little bit different to me. Like if Thomas felt like there was a threat of Star having an idol and he has the way to actively block that, he can, but it doesn't matter what I think. It matters more, most importantly, what Chow Yun and what the rest of Loggy feels about it. They are the ones that determine what are the morals that are going to exist within this society that they set up.

And so it's a big leap of faith to come out and say, yeah, I'm just going to misplace this thing. Wouldn't that be fun on what, like the fourth day of knowing each other? That is such a like that's a character moment where it's and again, with Shaheen saying, well, that's an intense way to play the game. Right. You immediately flag that kind of behavior. And whether or not that's something maybe there's another person who Thomas says that to and they go, this is my guy.

You know what I mean? Like, this is the guy I wanna play with someone who's thinking this deviously. I wanna play with someone who is like this. So it really, it like so depends on just these individual micro interactions. And I think that, again, this is what makes survivors so freaking fascinating

because you have the big discussion about, oh, how should this go? But then you have actually what's going to happen as a consequence of making this decision. And I really can't wait. I think that especially with Thomas coming back after the journey, I think that Shaheen is gonna be like,

this guy could be lying. We know this guy, how devious this guy is. And maybe, who knows? Maybe Starforket survives if they end up going. And someone like Thomas or Bianca as a consequence of being close to Thomas ends up going because they're threatened by Thomas. Like, who knows? Maybe Starforket survives if they end up going. And someone like Thomas or Bianca as a consequence of being close to Thomas ends up going because they're threatened by Thomas. Like, who knows?

This could have been the thing that sets this course in motion in a completely different direction. The butterfly flapping its wings. Exactly. And I hear those are just dead people saying hi. I I do to your point, Leona, like I do kind of like the idea of using something like this, maybe not as intense, but like as a barometer to trust test people by going around being like, I'm going to throw out this comment, see how you react to it.

And that's going to determine whether or not I should trust you. Again, I'm trying to figure out what that would be, because I don't want it to be as extreme as this, because if enough people know about, oh, Thomas is going to try to purposely lose and sabotage star, that's not good. I don't even know if something as intense as like throwing a challenge because that could also put you under the bus. Is there something that you could use as like a blank canvas to try out on multiple people that won't get you in trouble, but will also flag to you like, OK, I know whether or not I can trust them.

Just like a like a secret catchphrase. Yeah, exactly. People are in the know. We could establish it right here and now. That's what I'm thinking. OK, so when you say because I think there's a difference between trust and finding the kind of person you want to play with. As I just say, more so feeling out like we're on the same wavelength. Yeah, it's like the secret password that allows you to unlock

what somebody's true intentions are, which, you know, people that can figure that out on their own are very good at survivor because they know which mask to put up. But now it's like we get a free pass. Is it I guess it depends on what you're looking for. So if I'm looking if let's say I want to play with someone who. Oh, yes, maybe I want to play with someone who is like super loyal, right? Because I want to be the devious one. So then maybe it is something along those lines and you want them to reject

the idea like, no, man, come on, we could never do that. I figured it out. OK, tell me. So you can come up with this idea, but you need to communicate it secondhand. You what Thomas should have done was go up to Shaheen and say, Bianca just came to me with this wild idea. Here's the paper. What if we lost it? What do you think about that?

Yeah, because what that implies is like, yeah, I'm bringing you in as someone to bounce ideas off of. I don't believe it. Bianca said, I don't know what to think. You tell me what to think. And then also, depending on the reaction, if you can see Shaheen initially pulls back, be like, she suggested that like you can see the concern that you can be like, yeah, man. And kind of get one of those lines like you're going to get a little of this shit.

Is this is going to be a problem and then try to like get him. Oh, get a little of this shit. It's gonna be a problem. And then try to like get him to say, oh yeah, no, like that person's gonna be a problem. It's kind of the same conversation when Kevin and Justin and Cedric were all kind of talking a little bit about, say, where it was, you know, yeah, is this person gonna be a threat? You know, kind of like gauging that,

whether or not this person is gonna be a threat to you. So I love that, Mike. I think that's fantastic. The secondhand concept is going to be a threat to you. So I love that, Mike. I think that's fantastic. The second hand concept is always going to be valuable. Maybe you should do that for every idea you have. You need like, no, you need like a full person. You know, sort of like a George Glass individual that will be like, oh, I can't believe this person came up with the idea of voting,

of voting for Mary out. What do you think about that? About that? Are should we consider that? Or or like George George's George's logo, right? You you disagree with this idea? David's four nipples. Am I right? Yeah, I think that's great. I love this.

All right. Well, let's move on using I'm going to start using this for everything. I'm going to use this to work. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'd be like, oh, yeah, so and so had this idea. What do you think about that? Is it like really smart? Is it like the most brilliant idea you've ever heard? Listen, like I'm I'm I am far from the person you should listen to for life.

But like, I think you could find much worse advice than that. Accountability is great, but culpability is worse. All right, let me just write that down. All right. Jeff Catchphrase, actually. Let's move on here and talk about our boot. I'm looking for a man in finance and we have found him in the form of Kevin. Jess, I want to get your thoughts about Kevin, because again, he went through a lot in these two episodes. I think Kevin, it was like we were saying about Amazing Race, like Kevin had the full survivor experience in two episodes.

He had he did more in five days than some people do in five seasons on the show. Wow, that was shady. He had he did more in five days than some people do in five seasons on the show. Wow, that was shady. Don't name names. Yeah, I heard that Mike said that was about. Um, OK, he what did he do? He popped out of shoulder. Little called for him.

That's I don't know. I feel like that counts as like two somehow. What else happened? He got to see an idol play. He got to see an idol play. He ended up becoming the hero of his tribe hours after dislocating his shoulder by writing a challenge kind of by default. He ended up becoming the swing vote in the very first vote.

Yeah. Blindsided in the very next vote. Got to see someone play their shot in the dark. Yeah. Like really hit every single check all those boxes off. Check the bucket list like if you're not going to win, I think maybe the best thing is to get it all out of the way and get out early and go on vacation. Yes, speedrun survivor. That's what I'm saying. Speedrunning survivor.

Yeah, you want to fill your cup. But it was like Kyle pouring all the water out of the jugs. It's like absolute cascading on in his face. This is what I'm going to do. If I'm ever cast on Survivor, I'm just going to try to knock out every single survivor experience because I'm not winning. I'm not going far. Like, you voted out second or third,

and I will just hit all the marks before I get there. I'm excited to see Kyle and next episode being like, what did I even bother to help you for? Man, I thought you were strong. I thought you would at least make the merge. Take care of your shit, man. Come on. All right. Well, Liana, did you think Kevin was going to take care of his shit in the preseason?

How did you think he was going to do? Yeah, Kevin making the jury. All right. Kevin did his best to drag a limping Vula tribe through the pre-merge, but slaughter occurred throughout the process. After losing his closest ally and Justin, Kevin was forced to pair up with Mary

as the only two remaining Vula members going into the jury phase of the game. Wow. Without numbers, Kevin was an easy target for the powerhouse alliance of Eva, Shaheen, and Joe. Siva not wanting to piss off the Storm Chasers, which I believe is the alliance of Eva, Shaheen, and Joe. Storm Chasers?

Did you fully brand steal this season? Is this a Twisters a twister's reference? I think I was thinking I was like, I need something. They're like a strong kind of powerhouse. What's like powerful tornadoes are powerful. Yeah, I'm not going to name them the tornado. You wanted you wanted storm chasers. You got California girls. Yeah, the next best thing.

It's essentially the same thing anyway. So Siva not wanting to piss off Storm Chasers, trademark, agreed to oust Kevin. Kevin also goes on a journey gaining an extra vote, which he attempts to use during his boot episode. Obviously that fails. His allies were Justin and Mary, and his enemies was the producers

for putting him on Vula. Oh, essentially, I mean, obviously Vula is getting it slaughtered in my preseason. Well done for predicting. Bula is the disaster tribe. Yeah, I mean, you know, you look at the other ones and. Well, I mean, listen, I think all of all this entire season of predictors is going to be kind of the equivalent of like me smashing my jug proverbially, because like, again,

I had the chance to go out there and see what happened in the first few days. And my prediction for Kevin is going to line up with that. And so, Liana, you should be the one more so commended than me for actually like taking the jump off of the platform, as they did in this episode and being like, yeah, I don't know what's going to happen, because obviously me seeing what happened with Kevin on the first day, very much colored how I thought he would do the rest of the game. Now look, for what it's worth, you know, when I saw him at the challenge and at tribal council, his arm was like not in a sling whatsoever. But look, shoulder injuries can be very tough. We saw that with Matthew in season 44. And so I did have him going pre jury. I said that the chaos king of Vula, Kevin rules the roost alongside his

partner in crime, say, who he linked up with after she brought him in on her idol. Unfortunately, Kevin's dominion is like being the beeper king. The crown looks nice, especially on his well clothed head. But a king of ashes is no king at all. As Vula continues its losing streak, we'll get a hashtag survivor breakdown segment from Kevin where he talks about growing up as the underdog physically. Unfortunately, it fails to translate into any success for his tribe proper. What's more, Kevin having to participate in every challenge on top of the malnutrition from losing rewards

begins to mount on him. Towards the middle of the pre-merge. Say has to debate whether she wants to keep her closest ally around, despite how ailing he is in the end in a tribal council of only three players. Say decides to side with Justin sounds like a tongue twister in and of itself. Say decides to side. She ends up cutting Kevin, who looks absolutely crushed as he realizes this is far from the survivor experience he long envisioned. His closest ally was say and his enemy was quote. And Jeff, please do not use this phrase moving forward.

The amniotic mud. When he was birthed into survivor. Yes, yes, yes. OK, that's actually that's a great phrase. I love that. I'm not a come on. I love the amniotic mud. And I think to be the name of my experimental prog rock band.

Yeah, I was thinking some performance art, but same thing. Yeah. OK, the amniotic mud. That's that's the official chart. That's the official BNB term. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and now we know like to caution yourself, because what Kevin explained with how he dislocated his shoulder was that like he was holding up the net and like trying to put his other hand down and he thought the mud was much more shallow

than it was. And so it kind of like forced himself down in the moment. And so, yeah, people got to watch out for that amniotic mud at the end of the day, because it's caused what? Two day one injuries now out of eight. That's not a great ratio. No, that's not a great ratio. And like, obviously, I understand Jeff wants them to be birthed into survivor. But, uh, it's a high injury rate coming from like our birthing statistics are not exactly that good. Yeah, we need better birthing practices. Yeah, we need better. OK, great.

So I've made and I put on my calendar around when the premiere of next season is going to be amniotic mud. And I'm hoping I remember what that is. So you're going to go on to some sort of website to try to find like, you know, next to Gwyneth Paltrow's like crystal eggs are going to be amniotic mud. I feel like your calendar must be just littered with random nonsense words. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I put things for me to remember from the BNB and then I come across them

and I have no idea what it means. It's like a mystery trying to unravel what happened. They make even less sense in context than they do out of context. Given yourself your own little escape room challenges. Yeah, I just really love puzzles. Yeah. I'm your past self. I wonder what amniotic mud and scrambles to. Yeah, what's the anagram for amniotic mud?

All right. Well, I won't. Sounds like the anagram of someone's name. You know what I mean? Like that's the type of anagram clue we would give on Survivor. All right. Well, while I try to figure this out, Jess, it is up to you. Who do you want to give the point to for the more on the nose prediction or on the shoulder of Kevin Spacey? I mean, I can't get over Liana's prediction of.

Of the disaster tribe. I think I got to give it to her. And I wasn't even out there, Mike. Yeah, exactly. I'm definitely playing with a bit of a handicap here. Here's some here's some anagrams for amniotic mud. Let's see. Uh, but anti modicum, which means that you are a lot acid unit mom,

which is like a good term for for one of those mothers out there. Let's see. They make a donut. Oh, I like mimic a donut. Which is like a good term for for one of those mothers out there. Let's see. They make a donut. Oh, I like mimic a donut. In atomic mud is another one. Oh, that would be definitely amping up the fun danger of like you can crawl through the mud, but don't stay there too long. I'll go with four nipples.

This mud source directly from Chernobyl. Cant idiom. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man, cut idiom. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones. OK, great ones here. Well, hopefully the game I have prepared will be just as entertaining as looking up sitting in the anagrams for amniotic mud.

Low bar, but hopefully we can crawl through it much like said mud. This episode was called Humble Traits, but I prepared a game called Bumble Traits. And look, we are three happily married individuals on this podcast, so I don't really know much about Bumble, but I would believe that it is associated with dating profiles, details that you would like to know about the other person. And so to Jess's point, we're still getting to know these people.

And in fact, if we knew these people, we knew brand new things about them at the start of episode two. And so what I thought I would do is submit some blind items of blurbs from these people's bios. OK, so you are going to try to guess whose bio I pulled it from. These are all from Survivor 48 contestants. It does include Stephanie. It does include Stephanie. It does include Kevin.

So you are looking at all 18 possibilities. We will go back and forth and we'll see if you are able to accurately discern who has those bumble traits. I barely know who anybody is on this season. So that and that's good as well as a bit of a blank slate of like, OK, who do what do I think? Well, what I assign these pet peeves, these hobbies, these words to. Then you can see whether your judgment lines up with their judgment of themselves.

Yes. And this is always very interesting because I feel like the bios. So I when Mike had actually asked me if I how much I remembered from the bios to which I told him I did not read them Because to me the bios and I because I blame Jesse From season 43 for this because his bio was so different from his interview And so for me because the bios I think come from semi-finals, so I don't look at the bios I only listen to the interviews because that's the thing that they're gonna do right before they go play look at the bios. I only listen to the interviews because that's the thing that they're going to do right before

they go play. So it's going to be really interesting to see if we actually think that the bios also lie. Like not only can we guess it, but where they will they line up with the person at least that we've seen so far. This is very intriguing to me and I'm excited. All right. Well, Liana, for that effusive praise, I'll have you go first.

Flattery will get you everywhere. So this is from the bio of one Survivor 48 contestant. This first section is going to be one of the first things they ask from them in the bio is three words to describe you. Yes. So I'm going to give them the three words that they used to describe themselves and you can try to guess who that is. Okay.

Badass, lucky, generous. Badass, lucky, generous. Ooh, badass, lucky, generous. Okay, see, this is also very interesting because I'm like, who would describe themselves as a badass? Or lucky. Or lucky. What was the other one?

Generous. I am going to go with charity. OK, well, that was very on the nose, given her name, unfortunately, that is incorrect. Oh, you know what? Just I'll give you a guess as well, because we are really talking about all 18 people. So I'll give each of you a guess at these. Who do you think it might apply to? Badass, lucky, generous.

And it's somebody from this tribe, from this season. Yes, someone from this season. Yeah, that would have been even harder if I'm like choose between anyone from the new era. I did think for a second, I might have done like a swipe left, swipe right, even though that's not Bumble of like, was this a 48 player or any other player in the new era? But that would be a way too hard. Did they not do that on Bumble?

Is that a I thought that was a that was a thing on the apps that you did this. I thought that Tinder was more so swiping. Oh. I don't know. I think you swipe on all of them now because I think they're all like off of the website and on the apps. Hmm. True. Like because otherwise on Bumble, how do you discern between the people that you're interested in or not? You give them a B or honey.

It's to be or not to be. Yeah, exactly. That's so much better. Because the B would be the negative one that I think it might. Oh, yeah. Well, I guess the good one, right? And the B would be the one. You get the honey or the even the honey or the same thing. All right, just bad. I'm lucky.

Generous, bad ass. Lucky. Generous. Can we go with the nipple king? It is not the nipple king, but it is close to him, considering it is in his tribe, dining the same buff. It is Chrissy. Oh, Chrissy. OK, yeah, I can see that.

Um, I'm always intrigued by people who describe themselves as lucky. Well, I that's OK. The lucky thing, that was actually what really got me. And I was thinking about charity from her being able to start her online business that she felt like, oh, yeah, I kind of got lucky, like getting the traction up and running. But I think you can apply the same logic to Chrissy because she had been through she's had so many sort of random things that have led to her next career.

It's like, oh, she wandered into the, you know, firehouse or whatever, and then like got the thing. And so I think that that's a that would be a good fit for her. But so the nipple king situation. OK. Oh, yeah. Give me an update on this. We was like so Puyo, AKA the OG Nipple King. He was like, that's not fair. Like David's coming from my coming from my gig.

And as the wife of the Nipple King, please, David, take the Nipple King moniker away because I don't want to be the nipple. Yeah. The nipple queen. Like I was just saying, like if you did like Leona, as much as you're trying to separate from this, I'm pretty sure the wife of the nipple king is the nipple queen. By the way, I don't want to be the book. It depends. She could just be the nipple king's consort.

Oh, that's very true. What rather be the title they decide to do? Yeah, you could be the Camilla of the nipple kingdom. Which we'd rather have. Yeah, I'd rather have that. So David can be the nipple king as far as I'm concerned. But all right. I'll tell you, David.

Next up, it is up to you, just to determine these next three words to describe the Survivor 48 contestant. Silly, expressive, impatient, impatient. That's an interesting one. Silly, expressive, impatient. Um, hmm. Who, who was, who's acting fast on the, on the show and who's. Acting fast, acting loose, baby.

Um, let me see. I'm going to go with was it star? Star is incorrect. Leona, you want to make a guess? I think I actually remember this one from the interviews. OK, I believe that this person described themselves as impatient, and I believe it is someone who is on my own draft team. Camilla, that is correct. Good memory, Liana.

Camilla does indeed describe herself as silly, expressive, and impatient. And that's consistent with then what she also talked about with you. So, okay. I like the synergy there. All right. Well, let's see if you can continue the streak here with this next one. Outgoing, emotional, loyal. Like everyone's going to describe themselves as outgoing, but like, OK.

And that's why, you know, obviously, I didn't go with all 18 because there are some that are, you know, three very nice words to describe themselves that everyone else uses. So I tried to go for some of the more unique ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's fair. Um, the first person that came into my head was Joe. So I'm just gonna go with Joe. That is incorrect.

Jess, outgoing, emotional, loyal. Outgoing, emotional, loyal. Is this one charity? It is not, it is. And this is very funny in retrospect, Thomas. Loyal. I mean, I guess actually. OK, hold on. I may go far.

But in fact, I think he was being pretty. He told Shaheen exactly what the plan was. He was being loyal to the California girls, right? It was a glowing star under the bus. So that's the thing is like like Tony was disloyal to a lot of people, but he was loyal to woo at the end of the day. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You can be incredibly devious to the people you're not loyal to and still be loyal.

All right. All right. Jess, back to you here. Three words to describe this person. Chaotic. Oh, dynamic. OK. Thoughtful. Chaotic, dynamic. How can you be chaotic and thoughtful at the same time? I think that's where the chaos comes in.

God, that is that's quite dynamic. What did you say? That's something. That's something. Hmm. Chaotic, dynamic, thoughtful. Who's who's been chaotic so far? Who hasn't been chaotic so far? I think it's the better question.

It's got to be someone on Vula, right? Um, who haven't we said? Yes. So we've said we haven't we said yes. So we've said we've said we haven't said anybody except for Chrissy, Camilla and Thomas, I can confirm that those three are off the table for this one. OK, that's got a nice 15 to parse the room down. Was it Mary? That is correct. Ah, OK, because I was running through and I was like, it's not That is correct.

Ah, OK, because I was running through the bullet. I was like, it's not Cedric. It's not Justin. I was like, OK, so Mary could be a really good option. I think that's great. Yeah, I think that Mary maybe represents all of those complexities. They are somehow being chaotic and thoughtful at the same time. Yeah, sniper. I might not get to your birthday party on time, but I'll have your present ready.

Don't worry. Very thoughtful. All right, Leanna, back to you. Yeah. Dependable. Oh, determined. Conscientious. Oh, um. OK, again, I was going to say Joe, but that's not my answer.

I'm. Conscientious. Who would pick conscientious as their word? Someone who was reading the thesaurus at Ponderosa. I am going. Oh, is it Cedric? That is correct. Oh, the MD would put that. OK. All right. But Dr.

Loco. Yeah, maybe he's trying to like make up for again that that career by using as many big words as possible like, no, I have a doctorate, damn it. No matter what part of the body I study, I know what conscientious means. I might not be a neurologist, but I do understand. I mean, I want the person operating on my butt to be conscientious. Yeah. I mean, and dependable and determined. Those are all very important traits for your surgeon to have.

Yes. All right. Jess, back to you. Hilarious, smooth, laugh out loud, funny, hilarious, smooth and laugh out loud, funny. Maybe this person is. That's way more than three words. I guess if you try to hyphenate them. You know, that's a that's a dirty trick to get your word countdown.

Hilarious, smooth and laugh out loud, funny. And I'm going in almost entirely blind to this. So I'm just trying to think of like, who said the funniest things this episode? Wait, hilarious and laugh out loud funny? Yep. Yeah. Okay. Someone had the thesaurus and only looked at one page. I know the rest.

What's the difference between I think laugh out loud funny is more funny than hilarious. I think we're loud funny is more funny than hilarious. What is this? We're sporting a hair here. It's like, I mean, listen, it's important. There are times when I know people in online discourse who will use laugh out loud when they actually think it's really, really funny. And if they're trying to just acknowledge, like, oh, you made a joke. It's ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha This is also one of those ones where if you have to tell people you are, are you really? Hmm. Let alone twice over. You should have just made a joke.

Maybe that was the joke. It's like things I hate irony and lists or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like three words to describe you indescribable. Oh, I like that. That's good. I'd put that. That's fantastic. Doesn't get you cast on Survivor, though. OK, wait, who is it? Is it who's guessing? Am I guess that's That's good. I'd put that. That's fantastic. Doesn't get you cast on Survivor, though. OK, wait, who is it?

Is it who's guessing? Am I guess that's just just. I'm guessing, but. I'm guessing, but I could pass. I'm going to throw a name out there quite literally on the dark. All right, Justin, that is incorrectly on it. You have a guess. OK, my gut was David. And I think because the smooth I was thinking of his chest being so smooth, except for those like, what do you think it was like?

What were to describe myself? It is definitely biceps. Those are the three words to describe it. And chocolate milk. No, unfortunately, it's not David. It was Star that describes herself as hilarious. Oh, interesting. OK. virtually is not David. It was Star that describes herself as hilarious, smooth and laugh out loud funny. Interesting. OK.

All right. Well, let's crank this up a notch. Shall we? So we moved away from the three words. Now we are getting into the Armstrong special and not talking about Armstrong of David Kinney. I'm going to be reading off some favorite hobbies and some pet peeves. OK. Player. And you have to guess who they are. OK, we'll start with you, Liana.

Yeah. Folks who miss the forest for the trees slash an ability to see big pictures slash lack of appreciation being interrupted. I love the sound of my voice. OK, that is Shaheen. That is correct. I know that one because when that was what Taryn said when he picked Shaheen first, which annoyed and pissed Pooja off.

So that's how I remember it. It's emblazoned in my brain. There we go. I did like the use of slashes as well. Like he was almost writing some sort of, I don't know, Emily Dickinson poem in his pet peeves. Yeah. Again, get down that word count. All right. Just to you. Favorite hobbies for this next person. Growing my herbs parentheses. I'm obsessed with them.

Board games, clamming and reading. Clamming. Clamming. Clamming. Pacific Northwest. I feel like that's where they clam. Clamming, clamming, clamming, Pacific Northwest. You like that's where they clam like the New England and. Washington state, that's where you clam.

Growing my herbs. Mm hmm. They're growing my herbs, parentheses. I'm obsessed with them. Board games, clamming and reading. OK. All right. And are we repeating people from the previous round? I will say that we can. Yes. OK. The clamming one is interesting because obviously it's got to be someone who's near a coast, right?

Yeah, who's coastal? Who's near a clam? Who's near a clam? Who's closest to clams? Proximity to clams? Well, Leanna, you are the closest to clam by, you know, your pet. Oh, I also like clamming. Oh, I actually don't know. I, I also like clamming. Oh.

Actually, don't know. I don't know what that means in that context. Yeah. Huh. And also somewhere you can go, I guess you can grow herbs year round inside. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm not worried about that. You can grow those just about anywhere. And she also needs to be near a book and a board game. That really limits the geography. Yeah, because, you know, there's some places where they don't have those. Mm hmm.

Yes. Well, some places they don't allow reading anymore. Saying like, where are you still allowed to get books out of the library? Where do you live? There are places you're much have more likely opportunity to clam than you are to read. Hmm. Well, let's go with. Let's go with the other puzzle person that we haven't talked about yet. Is it Bianca?

That is correct. Yes. When Mike said she I was like, OK, yeah. They're really they're really there. Yeah. OK. So she's she's a climber. That's a climber for her. Wait, where did she where she live? So she so she was so it's I cut out a bunch of other stuff that gave away the ghost from the bio, which is like going to the Jersey Shore,

talking about how much I love New Jersey and then also clamming. And while she is a clamor, unfortunately, has not caused much of a clamor in the edit yet. But I'm excited to see her come out eventually. Liana, back to you here. Yes. Favorite hobbies, horse racing and listening to sports talk radio. Horse racing and sports are great. So the horse racing might not necessarily be. They specifically are riding the horse like it could be. I think they would lead with that with every single thing they said.

Well, like, I don't know. You don't know. So who you don't know who's a jockey. Is that your way of thinking about life? No, no, no. Maybe it's no. It's like a hobby. You know what I'm saying? Like it's oh, I like riding horses and horse racing. Not that I'm a per se. Yeah. Do you ride the horses or do you just go to the track a lot?

Because I feel like those are two different things. I think I think they're implying the latter. Yeah, I think it's someone who goes to track, especially because the connection was sports talk radio. OK, so who would be into sports gambling? Because I assume that's why they're going to the track. What were the other things? Can you say it again? It was just horse racing and listening to sports talk radio.

Oh, oh God. See, I don't think Joe, like again, apparently Joe is the name that's on my mind right now. He is like the first person popped in my head, maybe I think because of the sports, like the sport connection. I don't think Eva is into horses. I think it's a man. I don't think it's Justin. I don't obvious. I don't think it's Cedric. Wait, I don't think it's Justin. I don't obvious. I don't think it's Cedric. Wait, I don't think it's. Is it? Remember that you can say people that have been said before.

Is it Justin? It is Justin. That is correct. It is Justin. Interesting. Okay. So yeah. correct. Nice. And interesting. OK, so yeah. OK. Hmm.

Mr. Triple Crown right now. Yeah. I want to see what his Derby hat is. Oh, I'd love to see him all decked out. It's a pizza. It's just a pizza on your head. It's like a, you know. Yeah.

I will also say pet peeves, not reusing slash recycling something and pants without pockets parentheses useless. Oh, my gosh. also say pet peeves not reusing slash recycling something and pants without pockets, parentheses useless. Oh my gosh. See, if you had read that one, I would have immediately thought a woman because frequently pants that are designed for women do not have pockets and it's so annoying. But I completely agree with him on that. Those are also very good pet peeves. You can't fit your pizza cutter in them. There's no pockets. There's no pocket. Where are you supposed to put your chicken cutlets? This is why cargo pants are great.

You got a you got a hammer loop for your pizza cutter. Yeah. All right. Next up, Jess and I'll read both hobbies and pet peeves. OK, linked up here. Favorite hobbies, water sports, rollerblading, pet peeves, lazy people, wet socks. Hmm. Hmm.

Well, wet socks is a sensory thing, isn't it? Could be. It's going to be Eva. That is correct. OK, I was like, would she put roller because hockey is hockey. Yeah, I know. But then it felt to on the no ice hockey. Only rollerblading. I must be in fast motion at all times.

I mean, I loved I agree. Just I think it's interesting, but I love the link of love. Water sports hate wet socks like this feels like an eternal conundrum. No, you don't wear socks to compete in water sports. Maybe it's like because her sweat, because you know how hockey skates like they can be a bit rank, right? Because they get so sweaty. So maybe it's wet socks from that perspective.

And you're kind of like gross, you know, skate. Also, like, don't go on Survivor if wet socks are a big problem for you. So I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.

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and is like trying to throw herself overboard. It is such an odd way to board a boat that makes it feel like she has never seen a boat in her life. way to board a boat that makes it feel like she has never seen a boat in her life. Like, hmm, how might I put myself in this aquatic vessel? Yeah, that's great. I mean, go back and watch that. I mean, succeeded in her goal. You know, she lost her vote, but she did not lose the dryness in her socks. Yeah. All right.

But what I've appreciated Cla Claude, tight score here. Liana, back to you. OK. About some some pet peeves here. OK. And I guess we'll stick with the moisture element here because we have people who say the word moist, people who smack when they chew and people who pronounce the word salmon incorrectly. Shoot. Oh, no, we talked about this one.

We talked about this one on the draft. And this is also a memory test from the draft for you. Yes, because we discussed Salmon. We were trying to figure out if, how is it the mispronouncing, like how is it that you would mispronounce salmon? Mm-hmm. Yes. And I don't remember.

So we are going to just guess someone. And that guess is going to be. Charity. That is incorrect. Like a salmon swimming upstream, Leona, tough, tough sledding for you. Jess, any guess for people who use the word moist, people who smack when they chew and people who pronounce the word salmon incorrectly. Alman Salman. I don't know. Was this Stephanie?

No, this was say, ah, Salmon. Maybe that was what caused the schism between her and Stephanie was that he's like, we could get some foil and grill some Salmon up. She's like, you're dead to me. I hate you so much. Yeah, I'm an open, transparent player. I know how to pronounce salmon correctly. Do you, Mary?

You know, I heard Mary just pronounced Salman. Isn't that why? Is that what I think about? I need to clarify. Do you think that's the correct way to pronounce it? All right. Next up here, back to Jess. So here are a couple of hobby pet peeves pairing much like salmon with some nice lemon. Favorite hobbies working out.

I love cardio, but I also like to eat junk food. So it equals out pet peeves when someone doesn't wipe off gym equipment and leaves it all sweaty. Gross. You. I mean, but who out there? Who out there is not wiping it down before they get on it to begin with? You I think you'd be surprised. Yeah. I don't know. You do it before and.

My humble trade is I don't wipe down the triple. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. down after. Did you just out yourself? You do it before and after. My humble trade is I don't wipe down the chip equipment until after I use it.

I mean, I'm just going to take the risk. I know on a weird note, I've had this wart on my back. I've had this callus blister. Yeah, on the unrelated note, I'm covered in calluses. Um, I don't know who's in really good shape. Good luck picking up those people from the whole whole season. Is it Joe? It is not Joe Leona.

Would you like to venture a guess? I just feel like this is so bait to say David, but I if it's not David, I'm going to be more upset with myself than if it's someone else. So I'm going to go with David. If I had a nickel every time somebody said they'd be baiting about David. A lot of nickels here. No, I had a nipple for every time somebody. I have four nipples, which is a lot.

And that is saying something. That's more nipples than most people have. I was a Mitch. No, it was Chrissy again. Oh, OK. Chrissy's had one of the more fun bios. I get like I think that's kind of peeking out at these random instances. But I love that.

Like she described herself as lucky. And here she's like, when someone doesn't wipe off gym equipment, gross, gross. All right, Leona, back to you. Hey, here's some pet peeves. Yes. Rude people, selfish people, mean people, bad hugs, people who don't make eye contact, basically anything acting like a butthole. That's not sad.

I mean, it can be like, don't don't bring my work outside. I'll bring my work out here. OK, so I I do remember we discussed bad hugs because we were talking about what a bad hug looks like. And then we were talking about hugging each other and then that kind of devolved and none of that is actually relevant to discussing the person. I'm trying to remember who it was about. Oh yes, I remember it was about Joe because it was my pick and we were

talking about the hugs. So I'm going to say Joe. That is correct. And yes, I mean, the bad hugs are interesting. I am obsessed with basically anything acting like a butthole because he does not say anyone. He specifies anything acting like a butthole, anything that acts like a butthole. That's good. It's a catch all. I admire your restraint not going full bloom on this one, Mike. I mean, we're already kind of mired in it at this point. Like, look around.

The butthole has been inside of all of us all along. All along. We're just trapped in the amniotic mud here. Exactly. I'm like, I like is he going around being like, God, that piece of paper blue in my face. What a butthole this thing is. How does a thing act like a butthole? It is round. Well, I'm thinking more so of like being like asshole.

Like he's not allowed to say asshole because it's I suppose in front of his kids as he was writing this. So I think he meant more so like if there's ass holey behavior, but like I'm not going to, unless this is some sort of sorcerer's apprentice, you know, magic stuff. I don't necessarily believe that it will necessarily be like,

you know, oh, my God, this thing is acting like a butthole. No, no. My Paramount Plus app acts like a butthole all the time. Oh, my God. Paramount Plus app is legitimately the worst streaming app I've ever used in my entire life. How is it so garbage? It's awful. It's, oh, it makes me so mad every single time.

I know I have to boot it up to watch something on Paramount Plus, I'm a stupid Paramount Plus. Yeah, I pull it up on my laptop and watch it jump around the whole time I'm watching it. Oh my gosh. And then also the app on my TV is also absolutely terrible. It's just, it's so, oh my gosh, so bad. Okay, we need to get the word out about how bad.

OK, so maybe I'm wrong. Paramount Plus is a butthole. Paramount Plus is a total butthole. It is. It kept trying to show me tough as nails. Like I would I would pick Survivor to be like, you want to watch season one episode of one of Big Brother? No. OK, here's tough as nails. None of these things.

You know, I'm the only one that watches that. Like Mike and I are the only people that watch that. Sorry. Read the room. I don't want to. I don't need to rewatch tough as nails right now as much as I can watch Phil Kogan on my screen with new episodes weekly now. Exactly. All right. Jess, you are mathematically eliminated at this point, but I do have one more

to give to you. It's a group of favorite hobbies. Learning new hobbies, non contact sports. I'm too fragile for contact sports. I have an addictive personality. I will get into anything put in front of me and obsessed over it. Oh, learning new hobbies is a hobby. My hobbies.

It's like wishing for more wishes. Yeah, but I was going to say, was this not your trollish effort of like trying to be tongue in cheek with your bio answers? This is like I like all kinds of music except for country and rap. So whose favorite hobby is making more hobbies? Uh. I know I'm going to say Kevin, because he's too fragile for contact sports. Oh, poor Kevin.

It is not Kevin Leano. Oh, I guess. Yeah, I'll guess. I don't know, though. I am going to go with. Ragell for contact sports. Well, good news is we can rule some people out pretty much immediately. for contact sports. Well, good news is we can rule some people out

pretty much immediately. Eva being one of them as she plays, like, one of the most contact sports. I will go ahead and gander a guess on Justin also? Well, you have gandered your guess, but your goose is cooked. No, it was Shaheen. We talked about these were his favorite hobbies. OK, OK. Yeah.

And I will. Unfortunately, we did not get into my tiebreaker, which was I get in a little bit of research about other New Era players and not one, but two winners in the New Era have said that one of their pet peeves are men in ill-fitting genes. Oh, that's the thing I'm going to look for now in all the new bios. People who want to venture a guess as to who those two might be. Erica, that's one.

And. I don't think it's going to be Gaebler, but I will go with. D. OK, Jess, do you have a guess? I mean, he was going to be my guess. OK. You are both incorrect. It was Gaebler. Oh, no. Was it really? Yep. I was like, well, it's not Gaebler. Gaebler's pet peeves are very specifically, quote, unfairness and men in skinny jeans.

That's so funny. OK, all right. That's the sign. Well, that's the skinny, not the jeans on some of these survivor 48 contestants and maybe like the Thomas three words. We'll see how much they lean into or away from their bios by the time this season ends up progressing. Before we let things go here on the BNB, of course, every week we give our guests the privilege and honor of being able to spotlight a charity or cause that is important to them. Jess, anything you'd like to highlight in particular

for the listeners out there? I mean, I'm a I'm a I have a regular recurring donation set up to Planned Parenthood. I don't think you could go wrong with that one. It's important work that's only going to get more important as, you know, we get more and more into this hellfire dystopia we are living in. So, yeah, that's my plug Planned Parenthood. Perfect. Well, Jess, that's my plug Planned Parenthood. Perfect. Well, Jess, thank you for coming on and bringing everything that you do in all your greatness

to Survivor. Of course, again, people want to check out more of you. We are officially back in the swing of things when it comes to the amazing race. What would you like to plug for the listeners out there who are, you know, keeping the TV on CBS after Survivor wraps on Wednesday nights? Well, I mean, good for you for committing yourself to three hours of reality TV at one clip, because I don't even do that. But you can come check us out.

Mike Blum and I are breaking down the episodes, hopefully with a special guest or two at some point this season. And then I'm also doing exit press for Amazing Race and talking to the teams getting voted out. We had two this week and they were both very fun. So check that out. And any pitch you want to give to people out there who didn't watch the first episode, why should they watch the Amazing Race

this season? Well, they should always be watching the Amazing Race because it's lovely programming and it's, you know, it's, it's kind hearted and it's got great personalities and they get to travel and it has Phil. That's, that's a big draw. Yeah, it's, it's fun. It's like, I feel like we are always saying Amazing Race is like the, it's like the vegetable platter on the steakhouse menu. But you know, you need your vegetables. It's good for you. Yeah. I would also say as well, if you like, watch the amazing race back in the day and you're saying, oh, why don't they bring

back some of those old twists? This is a self-proclaimed season of surprises. And there are some elements from previous seasons that are coming back in sort of short term ways. So jets and I will be able to talk through that. And if you want a bit of a nostalgia fix, I guess, from that perspective in a brand new light, feel free to check it out. It's like amazing race goes to Ireland, basically. It really is actually. It's a very good way to put it.

So we'll see. I don't think any of these were cursed. Maybe actually some of them. Certainly some of them are cursed, Mike. Some of them are cursed. So we'll see if they get reversed. Liana, what do you want to plug this week? Yes. Drag Race is going strong. We're going to have sugar free a queen who we've had on before as our guest

this week, which will be very helpful because this episode was chaotic. And then we and I are chugging along with the Pui and Liana lounge. We're going to do a well, we're not going to call it hot ones, but it's like a hot ones esk style episode for our 10th total episode that we're doing. So that's going to be coming up this week as well. You're going to get a lot of milk. Oh, yeah, I'm going to pull out my best David impression.

No, no. Want to see me? No. Yeah, you got to you got to give it from all four nipples. Exactly. Well, of course, you could check out everything I'm doing. I had the great pleasure of getting to talk with Kevin, which, again, was such a surprise given how everything went down, but was such a nice conversation, you know, Kevin being able to vocalize a lot of what was going on with his shoulder, including, unfortunately,

a lot of pain that persisted after the initial incident occurred. And actually, unfortunately, you know, the dive heard around the world came partially from the fact that he had pulled his shoulder out during the challenge. It was like, well, I don't want to dislocate it again on the swim back to the boat. So like, let me try to half commit. And as a result, now has become instantly iconic. But I had a great time getting to talk with him about everything from his, as we talked about

very eventful five days. And the other thing I'll plug is, while I also do Amazing Race Exit Press for Parade, we actually didn't plug this on our Amazing Race podcast, so let's use the opportunity now. We have an Amazing Race Facebook group. I know that there is a very affluent patron community for RHAP Proper on Facebook, but we decided to create a separate one kind of around the podcast, around the show itself, where there's discussion threads.

We put up podcasts for discussion as well throughout random questions for Amazing Race fans to answer. So if you are a diehard of the Amazing Race, a casual or something in between, Rob has a website.com slash tar group. I want to get people in as much as possible before the new episode on Wednesday night. We'll plug it there as well. But yeah, to Jess's point, if you're in it to win it with these three hours on Wednesday night, you can check out our amazing race specific group at RobHasAwebsite.com slash

tar group. That's going to do it for this week's episode of the BNB. Thank you all so much as always for listening. Liana and I will be back next week with another guest breaking down episode three. Will Vula continue to spiral much like the storms that apparently an alliance in Liana's mind will be chasing. But we see some other stuff. There was a little bit of a promo that had Jeff saying this is a historic

tribal council, so we'll see whatever that term applies to. But regardless, we're going to be back on the BNB breaking it all down. Special thanks to the entire team at R.H.P. behind the scenes for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears. And Wolfram America for his fantastic theme song, which, if you're listening to the podcast, you have heard before and you will hear right now. We'll be back next week with more Survivor 48 until next time, everybody. We'll check you out at your next day.

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