RHAP: We Know Survivor - Josh Wigler on Survivor B&B: S48 Ep 6

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Josh Wigler to discuss episode 6 of Survivor 48.

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You can stay for free Hi everybody and welcome to the R.H.A.P. B&B for week 6 of Survivor 48 I pulled a star and accidentally threw my pen. But we soldier forward here as Mergetory has hit. And I want to see it. I don't think I hit anything or anybody, luckily. But somebody did get hit in the form of charity. Our first casualty in the individual game. And I am here with a motley crew, as always, to break down what the next phase of the game provides.

Of course, my ride or die. Our partnership is far from undercover. The one Leona Boris. Thank you, Mike. I am here ready to talk about everything from the merge. Are we are we calling it Merge? Is it is it the official merge? Look, listen, I very much understand everyone's desires to to be called the way that they want to be called.

At the same time, I don't know. We're bringing on, you know, now and now survivor purist here in Josh Wiggler. Now that we are. Well, I mean, now I know I'm the purist. Exactly. You're the purst of among us, certainly. Though maybe at least two out of three on this panel. But I would say that. Now that we are seeing this form of quote unquote

merge Tory being that everyone competes and one person wins immunity. Like, I feel like we're in a bit of a Twitter X situation where it's like, why are you just naming it Mergetory when it's no different at all now from what you had prior? Well, because it's like a new thing you can put on above. Right. It's a new point is there's no buff. Josh. All right. True. I do think then maybe they should have Mergetory buffs.

I think maybe that would be the thing. I think get to the mergeatory, you get like some sort of like grayed out gravestone marker style buff. Maybe you have to wear like a stone. It's like a stone that you have to wear. Or like what is it when they put you in the stocks? Oh yeah, I like that. Or a dunce cap, maybe there's products. We could be we could be sending out stuff through CBS.com if we really wanted to here. Otherwise, I really don't know why we're calling it Mergetory.

I like the dunce cap idea. You could also do if it's you do a wristband situation if we didn't want to like commit to something too big. Also, given all the party analogies that we had or the other thing I thought of was. Mergetory glow sticks. Yes. Oh, I like that. Easy to film at night as well. Like you don't.

Mergetory ecstasy. Oh, I like that. Merge MDMA. Yeah, here's Molly. Jeff, you rolling? Oh, yeah. I mean, we'll talk about some metaphors at tribal council. Maybe people thought he might have been rolling on something when he was there. Yeah. Molly. You rolling? Oh yeah. I mean, we'll talk about some metaphors at tribal council and maybe people thought he might have been rolling on something when he was there. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. I also, the other thought I had was it's sort of like the, you know, in video games and there's like a blacked out character that you haven't unlocked yet. Oh yeah. That energy, you know, like, you know, they're there, you almost have them, but it's just you need to unlock them first. Yes. Mergetory Joker for a bilateral filling. That could be interesting.

You like made it to round four. But did you? Josh, how would you have felt if instead of going on the journey and rolling dice in a game of Yahtzee, if they played bilateral, would that be better or worse? Much better. It's a game of skill. There's some luck involved, for sure. But it is largely like, make use of what you got. Almost any hand you can win Pilatra with. You just got

to be creative. And also, there are such... You could get really bad luck with some of the cards that you draw. But you could probably... I don't know. Survivor Pilatra would be fun. For LakeGov, I have to imagine that one of these online survivors is going to start instituting Bellator as a challenge at some point soon. There you go. Any Bellatros? Yeah, there you go, Tony Bellat.

I mean, that would be in the hit sequel to the survivor card game is basically making your own real life version of Bellatros called Tony Bellatros. And when you have a bunch of idols and advantages that you have, Bellatros would be a very fun game to play, you know, because Tony was all about power ups, too. And Bellatros is a game of power ups. So, yeah, spy shack Joker. A lot going on here.

I mean, but I'm more of a merger wig, not a merger Tory personally. That's what this will be. Saw that one party won all the seats in the house this week in the forum that charity was evicted from the house party here. And look, it's interesting because I would say for what has been, in my opinion, a very strong both physically and quality wise and solid season so far. This was a bit of like a fine episode. There were certainly fun moments.

We can certainly talk about, you know, a star, say stars coming out, party, say appearing out of nowhere to swipe the advantage. All that fun stuff. But, you know, when you look at, OK, it was just a pretty open and shut vote on charity. Yes, it was what a seven to five to one vote, but it's because literally everybody was splitting and say just wanted to be a petty Betty. And I can imagine people being like, oh, is that the most boring episode

of Survivor ever? And I would counter by saying, especially as of late. I don't know, y'all. Merge episodes might be a little overrated. I think especially nowadays, like even looking at the new era, 45 is probably the best merge episode I could think of. And it was primarily because it was going to be an open and shut vote on Caleb. But then he hit this one in a six shot and changed the course of his game

for like an episode. Forty seven was fun. But it was once again, an open and shut vote on Rome. And the fun was more so by the edit and the effort they did to tell Rome's downfall then, as opposed to creating any sort of strategic intrigue. I just think with a lot of factors at play, there being 13 people,

a lot of these people meeting each other for the first time, and the fact that they probably are betting on splitting apart in the next episode, which has been confirmed. It doesn't necessarily push these players from my perspective at this first individual vote to be like, all right, we're swinging for the fences. They are bunting. Essentially, they are going for a nice, safe hit that they know will probably get them on base because once they

get on base, then they can go from there. Mm hmm. Yeah. I also looked at like 46. I was trying to remember the Mariah boot that was like 10 to one. I think it is the boring part is the consensus. I think you get excited because it's like, oh my gosh, all these people are coming together, but they're going to play it safe. They're going to take that person who is maybe the easy boot and just go ahead and go forward with that. And this, especially in this season, I feel like have been telegraphed so hard with David doesn't like charity and everybody doesn't like charity and nobody likes charity except for Mitch. Right? So they're really...

We're out on charity in 2025, I think. Apparently. Hard pass on charity. I got no room for it. No, no, no one's got... No one has disposable income for charity. No. No way. No, I think it's more so the fact that it was really the debate was between the consensus

target of say or the consensus target of charity. And so that even from the... Or Cedric. ...the one strategic thing. Or poor crying Cedric. Yeah. So it just... Yeah poor crying Cedric, yeah. So it just, yeah, I do see that, Mike. It just doesn't exactly grip you maybe

in the way that you would expect when you have all these cast of characters come together. Yeah, I think for me, I thought the vibes were really fun. I thought that the vibes of the episode were fun. And so I guess to some degree, maybe it depends on, are you here for the big moves? Are you here even for like the subtle moves? Are you here for the gameplay? Are you here for the vibes and what's your balance between the two?

I don't want it to be a straightforward. I mean, gosh, as much as I love a lot of the people who are talking about big, tough, strong, loyal, stick together. That's gonna be so boring if that's what we do. We gotta disrupt it. We gotta cry over a couple of spilled glasses of milk, I think, along the way here as we push into the merge. I think vibes-wise, there's everything with Star. Star is out of control in this episode. Her wonderful moment with Zedrek. Zeddy! Zeddy!

Zeddy! That was just a beautiful scene between the two of them. Star dancing and pulling, I guess, Mike Bloom pulling a star. For those who don't watch the video version of the podcast, something fell at the very start of the pod. Oh no, I mean, I should say what fell was my dignity, but I did fully and accidentally toss the pen out of my hand in pure gesticulation. Like if this is a boring episode of Survivor, it still gave us I want mozzarella sticks. You know, like there's stuff, there's stuff here.

So they've done her best bubba from. Oh, my God. Yeah, we got pomegranates. I crushed those. I mean, there was there was a lot of laugh out loud moments in this episode for me. So even even the final button of you're seeing all of the votes come up as charity is giving her final words. And of course, say just voted for Cedric, say who to his whose life was very nearly on the line. Just voted for Cedric, say who to his whose life was very nearly on the line, just voted for such couldn't resist.

So petty, so unbelievably petty and ridiculous. There there were some good comedic material in here. Is it a little bit of a boring vote? I guess. But we're also saying it's a boring vote for a vote that was really close. You know, there was a lot of people, a lot of people voting and two really big targets, like two people who amassed a whole buttload of votes. So I don't know. I thought it was I was fun. I had a good time. I definitely enjoyed it.

And I think to your point, nowhere is that dynamic better represented from, again, this little gordy kind of like like a Kong you give like a dog when you want them to be quiet, where you put a bunch of peanut butter inside, sitting on a pedestal for the taking, and here comes Charity. She thinks she's got a clear path. This is going to be the thing that she needs to access the next part of her game and frickin' say, like the Predator, decamouflages, jumps out of nowhere and snatches it and then he's like, yeah, as she does it. It was just such a perfect scene that I think to your point

should be representative of the fact that diving into some of these episodes, the outcome may be pretty rote. We're not getting a any really Kagaon merge moments anymore. Was like, oh, my God, this big player just got taken out. But there is still the smaller moments of these people interacting with each other for the first time. You mentioned, Star and Cedric have never exchanged words with each other. This could be the first bit of dialogue Leon and the two

have ever had with each other within two weeks of playing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing is that, you know, we talk about this on the B&B of really loving the character moments, getting to know personalities, which I'm so thankful that we got to know Star both in this context with Cedric, but just more in general,

especially with the episode with Eva, because it feels like, where were you this whole time, right? Because her whole narrative was just, oh, she, you know, we're gonna try to blindside her and not solve her puzzle, right? And it turns out she's like this really awesome, charismatic person that I remember from the preseason. And so it's just nice to now see that actually play out on our television screens. But you know what it is? Stars don't come out during the day. Now the sun has set and

it's the pur Mergetory night time. A dusk dusk, right? Yeah, it's like that transitionary period before it becomes the night. I've seen stars at dusk. There's like a little like star pecked dusky sky. And it's interesting, though, because I feel like if you look at pictures of a sunset and a sunrise, you'd be hard pressed to tell which is which. So it's also sort of like either my game is setting or it's just on the rise right now. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Josh, I got to get your thoughts on all things say she continues to be the biggest thing. Exactly. Continuing to set records, I believe, for confessionals in survivor history. Still the main character, obviously due to, you know, the things she had done both on Vula Beach and on the mat at challenges, certainly earned a reputation going in. May or may not have been emboldened by the fact that she then proceeded to come back from a reward that she went on by, you know, grabbing something at the right time and proceeds to list off everything that she part took in to some of these poor people.

But I got to get your thoughts. Was that an overpowered advantage? Was that an unfair advantage? Here, fine thing in the woods, you get to have bull fried chicken and pomegranate and mozzarella stick disco party. I like it better than doing a rock draw for it. You know, like how they or like, I wish they could have done what they did sometimes with team challenges back in the day for rewards, which is, OK, say

you're sitting out, you pick the six people you think are going to win this challenge. If they win, you compete alongside them. If not, we really love to like set them run in here at the top of the merge, don't we? It's like, hey, you're all here. It's a great time. Welcome to the beach. You can all be friends now. But first a scavenger hunt.

Mm hmm. And I OK, so remind me, I remember from last season from 47, Genevieve ultimately does end up finding this advantage, but it's out like on a buoy in the middle of the water. Yeah. After the. So to the point where that like Sam is like, yeah, that's probably not it. And he turns around and goes back. Right. And and the other thing, too, was that the social consensus of that group was we don't really care right about these advantages. So part of me feels like this is a direct reaction

to the cast's approach of like 47's approach to that advantage where they were like, we're just gonna put it in the middle of the jungle, where it is very clear on a pedestal and all you have to do is run and grab it. Like, you will get this advantage. How dare you not accept our advantages or be interested in them?

That is how it came across to me. Yeah. You would really have to all be just deciding to sit down here right now in order to miss this thing. Okay. So how do I feel about... Say is ridiculous television, ridiculous TV. I think I've seen a lot of Abby Maria comps. I think that that's I think that that feels right to me. I think that she's bringing some big Abby energy to the proceedings. This is this is once upon a time, I think a player that I would have described as like a time bomb player, except the bomb just keeps exploding over and over

and over again. Every single time, Sedra said's like, I think I could defuse the bomb. And the bomb just explodes again and again and again. He just keeps collecting shrapnel. So I'm mesmerized by, say, still being here. I really I cannot for the life of me understand how this happened. Last time around, I was as befuddled about the decision to get rid of Bianca over Sey as a lot of people, I think,

especially from Cedric's point of view, that like Sey doesn't seem like she's got the best poker face, doesn't seem like the best liar, definitely has, if you vote for me, your dad energy. And I feel like, how is Cedric not picking up on that time and time again? That this really is who is it? Is it is it? Who says in this episode, you got to get rid of say, he's going to ruin your game,

do you see? Yeah, Chrissy, who I was going to call Carla. So I'm glad that I asked, who is that person? Because I don't remember names anymore on the show. And so, yeah, I thought that was right. Like, what are you doing keeping keeping her around? So I have no idea how she's still here, except for the grace of Cedric. And I'm dearly hoping that she's here for a very long time, because I think she's outrageous television.

Very, very, very ludicrous person that I love to see on Survivor. My my cup of tea. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Could it be something to the effect of like, not I can fix her, but like, I know Say's code, you know, like I know the way that she operates. I will be very intrigued to see his reaction to her voting from. I mean, the episode started with a misunderstanding straight out of Three's company where say is like, I know the one vote was from you said, Rick, like she assumes that the two Siva members were the ones to go over the top

from the Vula's split their votes and get rid of Bianca behind their back. And said, looks like, can you, can you please let me explain how I say, can I finish? Can I finish? Can I, I saved your life. You're welcome. The thank you is far from implied at this point, but you're welcome. And then say is able to sort of calm down and digest it. But she does not forget the North remembers and say is one hell of a stark at this moment.

Is the little bit of sunken cost fallacy like Cedric's like, well, I've already invested so much into this woman. Like, do I need to just sort of keep around? And also, what other options does Cedric have? I mean, he could go build options. Okay, right. Like, don't get me wrong.

He has options. He obviously has shown to be very personable and people do want to work with him. But there might be something about just like my vulas, you know, like these are my people. I want us to all still figure out a way to work with him. But there might be something about just like my vulas, you know, like, these are my people. I want us to all still figure out a way to work together. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with Cedric. I love Cedric so much. Cedric just like like almost almost fully unwittingly, just crushing dreams for no reason.

You know, Justin gone destroyed the other guy. He didn't have to go home either, but he had to tell us what was going on. And then Bianca, Bianca's like, I think we're going to actually be able to make some good moves. He's like, no, I'll just rip your heart out here right now for no real reason. Cedric is like secret super villain, but I don't think like he means to be. I don't know that he means to be a superhero, but everything that Cedric does, I understand why he's crying here at the Mergetory. It's been hard and every

choice that he makes baffles me. I want him to keep making choices though, because I think he's, he is such an unexpectedly chaotic player. I've been fascinated with Cedric's decision. Me, Cedric, Cedric is the fan of Survivor 48. We're like he's been collecting these people, but thinking he's this is the path to do it right. Like, all right, I need to solve this crisis of winning a million dollars by cutting all these people in the process. But it's like there are so many other ways you could have done it.

But the methodology you choose to do, like clearly he has a logic that he is pursuing moving forward with. We're not entirely sure what that logic is. To your point, Josh, I will follow it to the ends of the earth and back, because I will say it again, the fact that this is very soft spoken contemplative man who is like very understandably in his feels after really, you know, flubbing a challenge for the team time.

He seems so lovely. He's so gentle. Yeah. You know, like watch out star like, yeah, sleep with one eye open without an idol, especially because like there's a good chance that's a trick. He's going to vote for star next week for sure. Oh, my gosh. I that's the thing, too, is the fact that Cedric has somehow managed to vote like eight times and six episodes like there's just so many things to the Cedric story. That's fascinating.

And I'm so happy, Mike, that you brought that up, too, which is, yeah, he's following some logic. And we know he, you know, because he says like, it's not I'm not ready yet to get rid, it's not, I'm not ready yet to get rid of say, like I'm not ready yet to get rid of say, and I'm like, why? Like what, please, I would love to hear that explanation as to why, but he's, he is so like simultaneously, like similar and different to what I expected in pre-season. Like the demeanor is there, but the actions, Josh,

like that's what you said, like the actions that he's taking are just so different than what I expected. They don't line up. It's just like it's very incongruous to me. And I can't I can't stop laughing every time Cedric casts a vote, because I just know now that something something weird is going to go down. Either he's going to vote in a weird way or he's just going to get a stray from, say, so Cedric at Tribal is just a menace.

And I'm so here for it. I'm so here in the preseason. Did Cedric get a lot of like winter pick vibes? What was said? He's invited. People were like, this seems like a very nice, mild mannered man. I don't think anyone's clock, that this man will have voted off. What seven people in six episodes

that he would have cut the throats of two people that one decided not to tell his vote to him right before tribal council. The other person decided to tell the no vote to him right before tribal council. And he did the same result anyway. He is probably one of the most unexpected surprises I would imagine from even my own sense of talking out with him on the island. A lot of people is going to do what did you think that Cedric's role in the season was going to be?

Well, listen, I'll I might save it for, you know, a future prediction. Like, God forbid, if Cedric ever gets voted out of this game, assumingly in a chaotic fashion. But I thought he was going to just be like a pretty stable under the radar force on the season that probably ended up getting voted out due to like Vula losing every challenge in the pre-emerge. Spoiler alert, that's where I had him going. So far and away exceeding my expectations, delightfully so.

Oh, 100 percent. I totally agree with what Mike said. I believe during the draft we did, Shannon mentioned that she had Cedric quite high on her draft board. And I think I said something like, really? I couldn't see it. I couldn't see it. I'm so happy to be wrong because it's just a joy to watch him on the season of like people on the season of like cast members, if I were drafting

them based on how much I want them to stay on my TV, Cedric would be in the conversation of a first round pick for me. I just I love them. I can't get enough. I'm just so intrigued, so intrigued by Cedric's decision making. And the fact that there is seemingly like a lot of like emotional depth there, too. And I'm I'm I'm always here for a this is really hard and I'm having a hard time with it. I feel like just the way that he was cracking this week and star being there for him was was such a beautiful thing, such a beautiful thing.

So this was my Joe and Eva was Cedric and Star. This was this is where I got hit in the fields was this week in that scene. I thought was just so wonderful. Well, what makes it incredibly touching, Josh, I'm not sure if you know, but, you know, Star has this this really significant line of like there are a lot of dads who can't come out here and do what you do. My dad couldn't. And there's a reason why she used the past tense is because Star lost her father

and actually talk to me out there about how significant that was in her life, because she realized that she was not actually getting a lot of the support that she was giving out to her family members during that time. And so it's a moment that has weighed very heavily on her and has clearly like left a big hole in her life. And so I think it means a lot that, again, this is probably what less than 24 hours after you have actually conversated with this guy and you are comparing him to one of the most important figures you've ever had in your life. Like, that's a really tangible connection that I'm glad we got to see.

I will echo what you said before, Liana, that Star is just such an incredible ball of energy that between Loggy winning all the time and the way things were going for her, I was nervous. I was like, oh man, I wish that the stuff that Star bottled pre-season could have been solicited out, much like the little bottle of stuff that Sagan grabbed from that pedestal. And we finally got our dose here. It was she for my money. This was the first vote she ever cast on Survivor. It may have been the best time we've seen someone cast the first vote on Survivor, maybe since like Ethan who had the emotional thing of like, uh, it's so

great to be back, which obviously was very loaded with a lot of stuff, but the half star, first off, like maybe going along with that house party analogy, just sauntering her way up there. Hardiest felicitations, just ready to party her ass off. And then I still listen, I'm no physicist. This might shock a lot of people. I don't know how gravity worked in that instance. The pen quite literally defied gravity where it was like the.

Did you explain gravity. Honestly, this was mythical. This was the onion or the garlic gods, I guess I should say. I was like, oh, I was like, which is also. Yeah, let's let's let us not obfuscate like stars voting confessional. Incredible. Then it immediately cut it to Eva, openly questioning the aesthetic of the season. Mwah. Chef's kiss.

So good. So good. But now she like that must unlock. Oh, that's why our tribe flags were shaped like that. Like this is the garlic season. Yeah, they never went to the tribal council. So it's like, oh, I didn't realize this was a whole. All right. The fans have voted. We're getting you food at the start of the season, but there's a twist.

It's just raw garlic. I was thinking for Survivor 50 in the hands of the fans. If we could vote for which vegetable is going to be the name of this. That's very big brother. Like vote for the have not food. Yeah, exactly. So it could be zucchini and cucumber or onions and to me. I want people.

I listen, I want a bunch of attorneys, Kay and are big. Well, I'm personally like, all right, we're starting you off with food. It's it's steakhouse salads. It's tomato. It's thick beef steak, tomato slices, some onion, some red onion on it. And you have to eat them together. Yeah, exactly. So many options. See, we're coming up with so many ideas. I think speaking of food, the other thing that stood out to me about this episode, and this is, I guess, maybe a question more than anything else.

Why did Jeff call it the merge meal? Instead of the why is it not the merge feats that really bothered me? I don't know why, but it really, really bothered me. I mean, someone questioned whether a soup is a meal or not. But Kenny Banya would say that this is a meal because as say well, oh, so copiously list out. Indeed, there was a hearty amount of food there. Yeah, that sounded like feast.

That sounds like more it definitely sounded more like a feast than a meal. I feel like a meal is, you know, a meal is important. A meal is something that you're supposed to have every day. You're not supposed to have a feast every day. And so I feel like the feast, that's an event. A meal is breakfast, lunch or dinner. And that spread kind of looked like breakfast, lunch and dinner. That was a feast and dessert.

Now, I do have a thought. Could it be that we've seen a couple of times Applebee's or like Outback sponsor the merge meal? Applebee's like, say, well, we'll we'll roll with you, survivor. You know, nearly 25 years deep, we'll roll with you, survivor. You know, nearly 25 years deep, we'll roll with you, survivor. But you can never use the word feast again. That's what I think. Yeah, I think they copyrighted the term and it's now the Applebee's branded feast.

So they can't say feast like, shit, let's go to the thesaurus. What else do we call it? A meal? Yeah, it's a meal. I hate that word. Meal. So it sounds really it's not a good word. What would you prefer if you couldn't use the word feast? What would you refer to this as like a merge spread? Merge banquet.

Banquet. What about? Bang. Yeah. Yeah, that was I just synonyms for feast. Smorgasbord, you know, you know, I feel like there's like you want you want opulent words like you want to turn you want to like open up a George R. Martin tome and read any of the paragraphs that you come to, because it'll just be describing a feast and he will use other words other than feast and that would be what you do.

What about like a merge reception? It's like a reception at a wedding, right? The food is sort of implied. And then maybe you're also then trying to get people to dance. We'll get certainly get into dances in this episode, like making an entire social getaway. Yeah. Yeah, I think, OK, I'm going back to the whole lawyer Applebee's situation that I'm imagining as part of the construct or the contract.

You cannot have a word that is better than feast. So I think that that's the issue, because I think there's an argument to be made that banquet goes above or even potentially reception goes above feast. So I think it had to be something categorically below a feast in terms of magnitude, because the lower obviously has to be the categorically below a feast in terms of magnitude. Meal or lower? Obviously it has to be the top. Yeah. So. Meal or lower?

Exactly. What's lower? What do we get that's lower than meal? Snack? Snack? No, but snack sounds hot, right? It's like, you're all getting a bird's ass. This cast is already full of snacks.

Yeah. The merge snack. I think meal might be bottom rung. I think, I don't know. I think snack is categorically smaller. I have it like a merge snack. I think maybe I'm wrong. I think I don't know. I think I think snack is categorically smaller. I have it like a merge bite.

Yeah, and it's just like a moose bushes. Yeah, exactly. Like a little tiny boon of something. Tiny spoon. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the merge spoons. The merge spoons. But also, I mean, of course, in addition to the merge, the classic merge meal, we also had another birthing into survivor moment, because of course, you have to be birthed into everything.

And the amniotic mud is back. So this is more so like, are they like reliving their own birth then considering that, like they've already done it once before? Also, survivor, I love you. You did have a guy fully dislocate his shoulder, specifically by sticking his arm in the mud. Now, that doesn't matter.

You really want to go back to that? Well, yeah, they do. They do. This was what killed Bruce, too, right? Yeah, well, Bruce, it was more so a low overhanging than anything. I mean, there's also probably at least partly because of like the killed Bruce to write the I don't think that, you know, in all the years that I spoke with Jeff Probst, that ever really came up like, so, Jeff, you a mud man? Because I wonder what I. Well, that's interesting. That's the first question I asked. Your guy, Jeff goes, oh, yeah, big mud guy. You know, like I feel like I'm I'm looking for my mud buds out here. I really wanted them.

I really wanted them to name the merged tribe mud on blood versus water, but no one was going for it. I really wanted them to name the merged tribe mud on Blood versus Water, but no one was going for it. I know that classic survivor boarded challenge where everyone threw themselves in the mud. That was my idea. That was a prop's original. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the signs were there all along.

He is a big mud guy. I think also, I just said sides. And then I was like, merge sides. That would be worse than a meal. Not that like I would be down for the sides because I'm sure that there's like lots of really good sides you could put out, but like, if it was like, and then you're going to whoever wins, you get sides.

Well, aren't is inside this side? Is that all the fixings technically, or is that different from all the fixings? Well, all sides would be different than just sides. You know, I think I think the fixings refer to the additional things. Yeah, right. And your side. So I think it does count as the sides.

What about like merge top us? It's like sampling little. Yeah, exactly. Like, all right. Where are you going? You get the chicken wings. Don't get the case of the share. We share. You can.

No sharing. No sharing allowed. Jeff comes in. No sharing until you've had your mud. All right. Don't let on you. Well, but the other thing, too, again, it's not just the mud. It's the birthing part as well. And I think that that needs to be big birthing guys. Big birthing guy, big mud guy, big birthing guy. It's like because he literally said, I wrote down the quote,

birthing your way into the next phase of the game. But I've only been birthed once. I'll ask my mom just to confirm, but I was only birthed once. So I think it's interesting that now we're birthing twice. Well, I wonder, is Jeff a practicing Buddhist? Could Jeff believe in the idea of reincarnation? And so he feels like this is the next life cycle of yours. Ironically enough, five other people have died in this game.

You are the ones who live on. Now we'll see what you become next. Will you continue on this great path, you know, get reborn as a royal or a noble or will you be reborn as a lowly bug and get squashed immediately. Mm. Okay. So this is a very quick Google search.

Okay. I don't claim to be an expert. So apologies if I get this wrong, but apparently in Buddhism, the metaphor Lotus in the mud symbolizes that challenges and suffering represented by the mud are necessary for growth and suffering represented by the mud are necessary for growth and enlightenment represented by the Lotus. So just a thought thrown out. Just said, listen, they're bringing our people onto the white lotus.

I'm bringing the Lotus here. Yeah. Big Lotus guy. Yeah. The muddy Lotus. The muddy Lotus. He loves mud. I really think it might be as simple as my man loves mud.

My man loves birth. Put them together. You get mud birth. His favorite thing. Should there be more mud is the question. Because I'm thinking about like stages of Survivor. Should everyone once they make the jury, Jeff dumps a bunch of mud on them. You can't do that on television style.

Do the final three is mud. The new gap is that exactly. Yeah. I mean, it is sort of like to survivor. What slime is to Nickelodeon? No. How many times have you watched Double Dare where you have to wave through the murky slime to grab a flag? That's a survivor challenge, essentially. Just brown up that slime a little bit.

What about like when someone's declared the winner? They have to raise. They have to go up that slime a little bit. What about like when someone's declared the winner? They have to raise. They have to go to the mud a little bit. Well, I think that's why that's the term we should use for like when something's really fun and somebody ruins it, like somebody really browned up that slime. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't think anyone's really explored the idea of not enough mud. I feel like that hasn't been the question that's really been asked.

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I mean, maybe not. Maybe the mud of ingestible liquids, I should say. Mud of beverages, beverage mud. I mean, who would have thought that this was a way to not only to cause two of the biggest guys to bond over their frankly obscene dairy intakes. All right. I have questions for you. Both. Yeah.

You big, you guys, big milk guys. What do we do? Do we do we drink a lot of milk in our respective households. What do we do? Do we do we drink a lot of milk in in in our respective households? What do we do? I think I have an average relationship with milk like I will. That means I'll use it for coffee and this is this is dairy dairy milk. I will use it for coffee every once in a while, a bowl of cereal. And maybe if I have something really sweet, a glass of milk hits just right. But yeah, no.

I mean, a gallon a day. We're not even going through a gallon a week in our house between two people. I mean, how much how much milk are you doing? I am on the same level as Liana. And I will admit, so I used to be a rabid milk obsessive when I was a child. Those are really like a milk man. I was a very particular either to the point where if my parents had the funds, they could have just posted a cow up in our living room and have me suck those udders till quite literally the cows came home. Is he like this every week?

You know the answer to that. But here's the thing. I sort of have forgotten in my twilight years what milk tastes like. And so my issue with milk is that if I were to drink a glass of it, I think, is this right? Am I is this is this spoiled or is this just what milk tastes like?

How do you go from suckling the teat of a cow level of consumption to being like, I forgot what milk is? Is this a condition? Pts vitamin D. Is that what's going on, Mike? What did you think? I think I might have gotten all. Everyone has like an allotted milk tolerance. And I think I expended it early on.

I mean, not quite literally. I could intake dairy without any digestive issues. But like maybe I got it all out of my system to the point where I have just completely decommissioned myself from remembering what milk on its own tastes like. Yeah. But I don't want to actively drink something even with a sweet treat, because I'm like, I don't know if the tastes match up. I'm sorry.

My head is like, what's the condition of the milk? Is the milk spoiled? What? What is the taste of milk? Can you describe that to me so I know for next time? I'm about to Instacart you some milk. Yeah. You're going to next podcast. I'm about to instacart you some milk. Yeah, you're going to next next podcast.

You are drinking milk on the episode. I never thought that you'd be like lactophobic. This is a big surprise to me. It's not lactophobic. It's more so like lack anxiety of like, I'm not sure what this is going to provide for me. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what do you I'm really in? I'm really in a milk. I to provide for me. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what do you I'm really in?

I'm really in a milk. I mean, you know what I mean? I'm in milkatory. We're like, there's this milk. And I'm like, I'm not sure what it's going to do. Well, how it's going to be at this moment. I'm going to just. What do you mean of like what it's going to do? Like, you know, I don't know if that milk is going to take

the spoiled milk, I would imagine, as I've learned very recently, it's not good for you. It'll have your dad spiking your glass out of your hand to avoid drinking it. Oh, sure. Yeah. The dairy's gone bad. That's my primary worries. I don't know. OK, let's play out the scenario. You go to the store, you buy a half gallon of milk. It is unopened. You go home, you buy a half gallon of milk. Yeah, it is unopened.

You go home, you open it, you drink it. Yeah, that's probably not going to be spoiled, Mike. Like if it is, you got a lot to do. Your hands check the expedient. Obviously, obviously, check the expiration. They might not have been obvious to my because that now. Now I've gotten in my head about like, listen, the syllabi date is sort of suggested at this point. Like it's not it's not a hard and fast thing.

So I'm like, OK, now it's two days past. Is this the right time? Can I still do this? Is the window cracked open or am I running headfirst into a sliding door right now? Tasteful. Something's cracked for sure. Yeah, that I agree with. Oh, my God. You know what I'll say? I enjoy a glass of milk now and then, for sure. Yeah, that I agree with. Oh, my God. You know what I'll say?

I enjoy a glass of milk now and then for sure. I've I definitely I definitely it's got its time and its place for me. But I feel like. I get milk every day. But it's big a gallon of milk a day. It's like, I don't I don't think I have to ask David and Joe. Those are big mud guys. A gallon of milk a day.

Well, my my big mud guy making a lot of mud there. Yeah. Yeah. Don't use that particular mud. That sounds like that feels like some sort of like toxic primordial ooze that you're creating by drinking a gallon of milk a day. How many cups are in a gallon again? 16. All right. Yeah. No, I think it's 16 cups, eight pints, four quarts.

Sure. So just a quick, a quick little estimation. reports. Sure. So just a quick, a quick little estimation. Eight pints. I go to the pub, I drink eight pints of milk a day. You mean eight cups in one pint? Is that what you're saying? No. OK, whatever. Mike's ineptitude when it comes to both milk and.

No gallon is eight pints. I just looked it up. OK, this is something stuck in my cross in second grade. Finally come to fruition. How many cups in a gallon? Sixteen. Yeah, OK. That's why I thought anyway. OK, whatever the point. No, this is another point.

The point is, is that I did a quick Google search on whole milk, chocolate, whole milk. OK. Yeah. 210 calories per cup, meaning three thousand three hundred and sixty calories per cup, meaning 3,360 calories per gallon. Like, how is that? Like David must be running. I mean, I mean, obviously I get it. He's Jack, like he needs the calories

to maintain his muscle mass, but oh my gosh, that's insane. Oh, he's consuming? Is it just milk? If I were to, for two days, I would drink like what? Half a gallon, no, a gallon over two days or like a day and a half. And then that's all. Yeah. Thank you, Mike. And then that's like all I would drink. That's wild. That's so much milk.

So it could be that David's just been on an extreme liquid diet for years. Like, you know how there are the fruitarians or like those who who eat bugs. Like David's been trying to peddle the all chocolate milk diet. And he's the first customer. This is what ends up bringing the sea of money back, because she is like, I'm also a chocolate milk drinker. I'm also a pro chocolate milk. More money to don't you dare spend this on getting out of your trailer?

Well, it's interesting. Will they spend this on getting out of your trailer? Well, it's interesting. They spend this on more milk. Well, it's interesting, though, Liana, because I feel like could there be a Taylor Hale lays situation where granted, I mean, it's tough. If Survivor had live beats, I would imagine David would be talking nonstop about particular brands. Obviously, that's going to get censored out. But there's a nonzero chance that Nesquik hops in those DMS

and is like, oh, you want to do something for us? Want to do hashtag ad hashtag sponsor? Not since got milk. Have I heard so much about milk? OK, so the point where I will listen, there are sneak peeks of the next episode and will spoil things a bit. The Merge tribe is named, I think it's new newie, which is Fijian for cows milk. You're kidding me. I am not.

I wish I was. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Say that all again. Every last word that you've said. Yes. So drink it in, Josh. The Merge tribe name on Survivor 48, as will be revealed next episode, even though, again, you could assume that they merged in this episode, I believe is NIU space NUI. And according to many people out there, including some of the contestants themselves, it is

roughly Fijian for cow's milk. Okay. Let's vet that. Let's do, let's go English to Fijian translator. Let's see. Cow's milk. Well, that was a different thing that ended up. It's a soup. Sukuni, boom, cow is what I got.

I don't think Google's got this. I don't think it's got it. I think regardless, if the if the cast is saying that, the intention was to name the tribe cows, milk and Pagian. Right? Like no matter how many translation sequences they went through to try to figure out like the word, that was the intention.

And I think we need to take the intention for what it is. They should just call it milk. Let's just call the tribe milk. Yeah, I like that idea. I mean, you could have a tribe. There's a tribe in Australia and survivor named fire. I feel like milk is the next logical step because then it's like, let's just forgive any sort of cultural pleasantries at this point.

The aesthetic of the season is making up an entirely different culture. Now, why didn't they name it garlic? Garlic would have been fun. Garlic milk feels like it doesn't feel it's not sitting well with me as we're talking right now. That's very true. Actually, I do wonder, you know, obviously last episode, we had the whole moment with David being fondly reunited with his milk,

with the soundtrack to support it. If David and or Joe had one. I wonder like the team challenge. I wonder if they would have had milk at that merge piece. I don't think there was any milk from what I saw. I didn't catch any milk clocked zero milk. So that that would that would track for me to some extent, but that would be some very weird favoritism of like, like, I know your favorite food is milk.

Anytime you win. I know that it's all you eat. All you eat is no, I mean, could that be, though, it's much like, you know, when vegetarians go on rewards, they offer some stuff for them to you. Maybe that's the accommodations for David. It's like, I know you only drink chocolate milk and unless you're going to be like Kyle from last season and like forgo your diet plan, any port in a storm, David's sailing on right through.

But I would imagine when it came to coming up with this tribe name, I hope we get a scene from it. I would imagine there was a very strong two percent, if you will. That was jockey for this name and nobody else. They didn't skim on the name. Nope. They went not no half and half there. The vote was basically half and half. It's all we're really milking it here with the milk stuff.

Oh, I'd be remiss not to discuss what we are talking about. David and Joe, something that has certainly caught the attention of the survivor fan base as well in terms of its discourse. So I would love to check in on on both of your perspectives on this. You know, we have one undercover alliance in Camilla and Kyle, and now it seems like we kind of have an undercover alliance on the shell of an undercover alliance in the form of these like strong people, right? The jocks, it's Eva, it's Joe. It's Shaheen. It is David. And it is Kyle. And specifically, it's not just trying to have an alliance be built in muscle mass, but perhaps in moral mass as well as David vocalizes, as Jeff will put so well at tribal council, pretty

firm ground to stand on for someone who had never cast a vote before in their survivor career. We're getting rid of the social butterflies. We're getting rid of the puzzlers, the strategic players. It's time for the honest and integrist players to finally have their day in the sun. Again, suffice it to say, it provided a lot of reactions from the Internet. Leanna, what say you? Well, all I hear is big milk talking.

They gave him those talking points. Milk stands behind honor and integrity and screw those nerds. Does the body good? It doesn't do a body evil. Exactly, exactly. So obviously, that's where it's coming from. No, look, I I think David's person. Okay, so while I might not agree with David's perspective,

I think for me, it's still interesting to have somebody come in and vocalize that because it just provides another dimension to the game, another player who's going to approach something differently. And unfortunately, I don't necessarily think it's going to work out the way David thinks because we're already starting to see seeds of Kyle not trusting Shaheen. So there's so much. Oh, and the next time on that we got for this episode, Camilla is saying, oh, we're going to pin this on Shaheen. So maybe

Shaheen somehow is in the middle of all of this, but it just feels like this is not something that is going to last because we're already seeing it start to crack. Yeah. What do you think, Josh? It'll be real boring if It just feels like this is not something that is going to last because we're already seeing it start to crack. Yeah. What do you think, Josh? It'll be real boring if this is it. You know, we got a lot of we got a lot of road still ahead of us here. We just we we just merged. We just survived a merge Tori and now we're going to just be in, you know,

California. Girls are gone. But the milkmen rise like I'm not here for it. Though I like a lot of them individually, almost all of them I would think individually. But we're the integrists ones, we're the honorable ones, we're the good guys. It's survivor. Miss me with that.

That's very old school. I guess I like it because at this point, that level very old school. And I guess I kind of like it because at this point, that level of old school feels a little different now. But I won't like it if it succeeds, I think. That's a very good point. Yeah, from my perspective, I understand

where David is coming from. Like the list he goes down is from now on, you're lying, you're manipulating, you're a strategist, you're a puzzle now on, you're lying. You're manipulating. You're a strategist. You're a puzzle solver. You're a social player. Now you're the target. And I think from that meta perspective, again, I'm going to do a little bit like Australian survivor talk here.

But I remember an Australian survivor all stars. There was a player, a former AFL player, I believe, named Abby Holmes, who like formed this athletes alliance on her tribe. And people were up in arms, basically being like, oh, stupid meatheads Alliance. Why are you doing this? Claiming that like you're the you know, you you all need to stick together when you normally have the alpha mentality in real life.

But up to that point, Australian survivors sort of had the meta of by and large, the people who succeeded the most were not those types. Those types almost always end up getting picked off because they're seen as threats. The ones who ended up winning are not too dissimilar from some new era winners that we saw, which is like just maintain your sort of middle of the road position perception wise, target wise, take out the people that are more threatening than you towards the end of the game. Make yourself shine towards the end.

Wind up sitting next to the right people, and you've got that million dollar check signed. And so I think it does make sense from David's perspective in that we have not seen a person like him win this game in a long time. And so it wouldn't make sense from his POV of, I'm not the type of person that would usually win a new era season. So let me try to change that meta while I'm building the plane right now. I think unfortunately, where it falls apart is the moral claim. You know, I would understand and I think a lot more people would have less grudges with this statement if it was like, hey, I know I'm usually targeted because I'm a threat due to being good in challenges.

But let me show people that the true threats now are the ones who keep slipping to the end time and time again. But to instead also bank that on an implication that you shouldn't need to play the game by lying and scheming. I think it's interesting, Josh, to your point that it seems a little anachronistic. And I think in the discourse as to like, can Survivor ever go back to that type of game? I suppose we're seeing this from this mentality. But it's never great in reality television in general, where you are essentially playing like a goofy game show in a remote environment. You'd be like, we are the good people and they are the bad people.

It is never going to turn out well for you. Well, what's interesting too is, you know, the previous week, Joe and Eva have this incredibly heartwarming moment. And they are, you know, America's favorite players for a whole week. And then now here they are on the on like the strong the strong guy squad. Showman. And so yeah, is it strong bad? Is this the... Are these the villains now? Because I feel like you would think this has... I don't know, Leon. Does it smell like spoiled milk here? Does it seem like there's a little bit of a villainous aroma when we open the carton

on this alliance? I mean, I certainly... Do we taste test this for Mike? Well, yeah, exactly. This is... Mike would not be able to tell. So we know that. We shouldn't use him. Look, I mean, definitely the perception of the confessional was not positive. And I think because they... And I think the editors could have edited it in a way that doesn't come across so preachy. And as Mike says, moralistic in terms of claiming

that moral high ground. So I think from that perspective, it does scream a little bit villain. And I do wonder if that was a conscious choice, given the fact that, you know, charity a little bit was painted as a villain. So I'm curious if now like, this is the new sort of villain that's coming out and sort of a little bit of a villain alliance.

So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this narrative continues, because this was the first sort of element of negativity that I feel like we had with the oh, get the strong sort of people together. All right. Well, we mentioned Charity. Let's keep the spotlight on her and talk about how we thought she would do preseason. Leanna, did you think her game would rise in altitude or come crashing down?

Yeah, no, she was she was flying, flying for a bit, at least. I did have Char charity making the jury. I said charity. Yeah, OK. Charity flies through the free market as Siva never once attends tribal council in the first half of the game. When the Merck hits charity and the rest of her Siva alliance, AKA C squared, K squared. Don't I don't know why there's.

OK, well, I'm assuming that's charity. Chrissy, Camilla, Kyle. That's it. Yes. Those were the four. Yeah. Mm hmm. They do a fantastic job keeping their loyalty a secret. For example, they sacrifice Mitch vote opposite to one another and generally maintain their distance as the million dollar prize looms large. However, C squared K squared start dividing themselves.

David's gonna vote you off just from this, by the way. It's too much man. I don't deserve milk. I don't deserve it. So quote, to make a long story less long, these actions self-sabotage and send Charity home right before the finale. Charity will also give us a plethora of fun new nicknames for the cast, including but not limited to the daredevil dynamo, Mr. Fitness Frenzy and the Blaze Queen.

So I think that's a blaze queen. That was how she in the dream blunt rotation or the nightmare, blunt rotation, the Blaze Queen. So, I mean, if we could see more of Chrissy, that would be very helpful to have an understanding. I thought I was going to be star because, of course, she reminds us of Crystal Cox, who famously had beauty, brains, brawn and blazing speed. Sure. Of course, of course. No, these were all, I think, Siva nicknames, if I remember correctly. So the daredevil dynamo was David. Mr. Fitness Frenzy was Mitch because he was a PE teacher, I think.

And then the Blaze Queen was, of course, Chrissy is a fire lieutenant. So I said that her allies were Chrissy and K Squared. But her enemy was the square root of K squared plus the storm chasers. Jesus Christ, Leon. I know. I know. I know. It's complicated. The point was, is that it's actually it's Camilla specifically, not both Kyle and Camilla, because I believe I had Kyle going earlier than charity. So that's why it's the square root of K squared, just

K, which would be Camilla in this circumstance. Okay. Oh, god. I should need a graphic calculator for your prediction. I got it. Get your TI-83 out, baby. We're going for it. Oh, alright. Well... It's pretty close up until a point. So I'm a little more So I want a little more. I want a little more of my SAT component than Liana's mathematic portion.

But we got to the same score at the end of the day as I had Charity also making the jury. Here's what I had to say. Wanting to play survivor to make up for lost time, Charity plays like she has none. That means she'll become the Tony the rat she wishes to see in the world, aggressively hunting for idols from the jump. When Charity finds her tribe's idol, she believes her game is clear for takeoff. However, her take charge attitude gives her a lot of turbulence, especially when other natural born leaders like David and Chrissy both get her orders.

Charity will not be afraid to speak her mind on the mat, something that makes a bristly first impression with the other tribes before they even get the chance to meet at Mergetory. Once the game turns individual, Charity becomes public enemy number one, someone who nobody is particularly close to. But when she pulls off a clutch immunity win,

it scuttles the plan more than a wayward baggage carousel. While perceived as an easy next one out, Chrissy is brought in as a charity. Charity is brought in as a wild card on a couple of votes controlled by the SEVA that she assumes she's in an alliance with. At a certain point, though, the deck re scrambles. And when she begins moving the metaphoric beverage cart to another row, that means it's time to put her game on way too much ice. Charity will make subsequent claims in her exit press

that they had to get rid of her first or she had a path laid out to win the entire thing, which will prompt quite the subtweets from her cast members. Her ally was Siva. Her enemy was Siva. Mm hmm. So she's a play dependent. So you just play the pendant. Did you pick that up? I wasn't sure. I was making sure I got it.

Yeah, you should have had more references, Mike. Well, not enough. I'm sorry, they got taken out of TSA. Yes, sir. You're only allowed to have eight ounces. Fly out. And yeah, you're allowed to have eight ounces of. A flight out. Yeah, you're going to have to check that. All right. Well, Josh, keep us in check here. Who do you think was more on the money with the predictions we gave to charity?

I really get just it strays for for Liana, like once we get to like the merge Tory jury phase, but otherwise it was like exactly basically what we saw with with charity. So I'm giving points to Liana here, I think. Thank you. I also realize what I was describing for charity was basically what happened with say where it's like, yeah, lines and idle. Yes. Like one of the most vocal people on her tribe.

Are your predictions just like like a disassembled, like mishmash of like you have to like reshuffle them, but you've got everybody right, basically. Yeah, I think I'm really the Isaac Mendez from Heroes of this where I like I'm just painting a loose picture of what that happens to this person. Oh, nice. That Milky White. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, oh absolutely. And then it turns out that no, it's actually referring to another player entirely. And I missed the fated cast away.

Oh, so close. All right. Well, we are very close to our next game here. But first, we have to talk about what prompts this game, because you talk about how this was an episode that was full of delightful, funny WTF moments and maybe no moment represents that better than metaphors just the metaphor rub-shringa we had at tribal council where first off, Mary's comparing everybody to dogs at a dog park and Shaheen is talking about how this is like going from, you know, a small gathering

of friends to a big house party. And Jeff says, okay, forget the dog part. I want to focus on this party thing. And then he proceeds to talk about this twice. That's the wild thing. Get the dog park, man. I want to talk about the cats meow. Yeah. So he gets into this first comparison about how, you know,

oh, you're going to this party and you're doing one dance and everyone's doing another dance and everyone's like laughing, you know, joking like, Oh, Jeff's in on our reference. Isn't that a great time? And then later in tribal council, where people have fallen, well moved on. Just like, yeah, but let's check it back in on that house party metaphor. I thought of something else. Props is he's raving. It's ranting and raving here at this house party.

Leona, what does he know more at this point about love or parties? Well, it depends. Are we talking about love, like in terms of relationships between siblings or family members? Because I feel like there's still a big gap there. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think to me, like the most interesting thing was, yeah, this sort of like fascination, which even prompts Camilla to sort of say, that man loves dancing, which I think is funny.

So she and maybe the line of the of the episode for between that. And I don't know if you all noticed when Mary was making the dog part analogy, it just cuts to Camilla going woof, woof, woof. Yes. So good. Well, yeah, it's more than this session. Yeah. And then this is where Club Condo comes in with just some simultaneously clarifies it also deepens any sort of mythos

as to what this place is of like if you're going, you're not going to a house party. You're going to Club Conda, which I guess is a is that the Applebee's feast? If if the regular house party was the meal, this is like an exclusive VIP experience where you can do the robot and the bossa nova. And nobody will judge you. Yeah. Club Conda is cool. I really wanted to go to haunted house, though. Exactly. Everyone's going to haunted house.

I just it's just sometimes there's moments where like, is Jeff a real person? What is happening right now? But so delightful, right? In the same way that I question sometimes Cedric's choices. I'm also questioning Jeff's, but in the way that makes it just so entertaining. So I truly no complaints here. 25 years and counting, right? Like this is for... I would say for all of us currently either on this podcast or listening to this podcast, it's been a hobby of ours for a very long time to

remark upon and acknowledge Jeff Probst's like, like unhuman behavior. Like this could like he could be just, you know, an alien in like a flesh suit. I don't know. He does a pretty good robot. Could be. Could be a robot. I mean, what I what is so interesting, though, Josh, she really unlocked this idea in my head that like Jeff was in this moment

kind of an I think you should leave character. We're like we see that time and time again where the one character has this thing stuck in their head. It's the it's the Patti. Chris came early. Yes. I was about to say the Patti Harrison, Christmas came early person Yes, exactly. I was about to say the Patty Harrison Christmas came early person. Exactly. They just take this one thing and they will not leave it be. And that was kind of Jeff with the house party this week.

Everyone else had moved on and Jeff was still back at. All right. But if I'm doing the boss and Nova, which like. Jeff, you eat the more you talk to us about your upbringing, the more honestly, positively fascinated I am by like the life that has has culminated into the person that you are, that is running the show. We love so much. Who's doing the boss and Nova?

He shouted out his brother in this one, too, isn't he? Did he started out his his middle brother, not his not his youngest brother, Scotty, did not mention. Yeah, he loves his brother. Do you think he had to do the boss? And over didn't it was like a waterboy or something? I feel like we heard that he was he was a one. That was the story with Brandon Donlin's boot, that he was the waterboy on the basketball team.

Yeah. So I'm imagining him just entertaining the team so much. But then there was also the story about how he grew up in Kansas, but then had to change schools to go to Washington. Again, I'm piecing together slowly the pieces of mythos that Jeff Probst has developed over these tribal councils. That's why I'm grateful for them is because we just get great Jeff Probst lore every like 15 episodes or so. This is I mean, there was some vintage Jeffrey in this episode, I think.

Jeff was wiling out at tribal council. I like my middle brother. Shout out. What is his name? Ken? I think I thought it began with the S. Yeah, I don't I don't remember. There's only so much I can keep up. Shout out to that guy. That guy. Yeah. Oh, no that guy. That's a big guy.

Oh, no, Brent. Brent was his middle brother. Brent. Brent. Of course. How could we forget? Yeah, because, say, was talking about like, yeah, Brent Probst, because, you know, they were talking about like, oh, this is a dysfunctional family. And say, it's like, yeah, just like any family, the middle children don't get love. And Jeff's like, just so everyone's clear.

I know you all have this top of mind right now. I love my middle brother. And he got lots of love. OK, that feels like the kind of thing that you say without provocation, because you're very ashamed of how you treated your middle brother once upon a time. Yes. No one was thinking that, right? No one was considering that. Yeah, exactly, Josh. You're the one who brought that up. And the fact that you brought that up and clarified that, that's the

sus part. Yeah, that's really sus. I would have thought like twice about like, I wonder if Jeff has a middle brother, you know, like that wouldn't have even come close to crossing my mind. You could have 17 different survivor podcasts on RHAP in a given week. And the question of, I wonder if Jeff has a middle brother, it wouldn't have come up, it would not have happened. But I think on top of that, not just does Jeff have a middle brother,

does Jeff have a middle brother that didn't get enough love as a child? Right. That's like the added element. No one's wondering that. No one's thinking that. Do you think when Brent Probst was born, he came out in a pool of mud? Obviously, the entire Probst family tradition, you come either see sections or out of the amniotic sac and straight through a little bit of mud.

Crawl through it. I've never heard of the mudslide birth tactic. Look, some people do a water birth. The folks did a mud birth. Okay. Yeah. Well, I hope to not muddy the waters for you with this next game here, because Jeff, as he usually does, inspired me.

And we do this a lot here on the BNB where I survey the listeners and I give them an option of several things in a certain category for them to assign to the players of the currently existing season. And this time we're dancing, baby. I have taken a list of dance moves. And you two are going to try to figure out who the audience guessed as the person who most represents that dance move. Of the cast of Survivor 48.

Yes. So the way this is going to work is that I'm going to bring up a dance move of the cast of survivor 48. Yes. So the way this is going to work is that I'm going to bring up a dance move and then we'll go back and forth. You will give me the name of a person that you think the audience voted for the most. We are doing this family feud style where the percentage of votes that were gotten will culminate into a score. So if it got 70 percent of the vote, you will get 70 points. We'll keep going back and forth till we're done with the survey. And the person with the most overall points will take home the win. OK, yeah, the most two qualified people talk about dancing.

I mean, they call me Wiggler, you know, and to say you're doing a little bit like the bossa nova during that one video that I know I think that was a video of Jordan Kalish dancing to the to the Josh Wiggler song. Oh, when did that happen? At a wedding, I think. What? I'm not going to why I know this.

I don't know why I don't remember what the taste of milk is, but I remember Jordan's Taylor. There's a lot of them basking in right now. I just want to hold that very dear to my heart for a while. All right. Well, let us start with a move that Jeff had referenced during again, his extended analogy. So Josh of and this is everyone on Survivor 48. So that includes everyone who's been voted out through this episode.

Oh, wow. OK. You may want to bring up a list of the contestants. Yeah, I definitely. Oh, my gosh. But which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the robot? OK, so we're starting with the robot. So would it be like like a game bot?

Is that like the way that we're like trying to think about this? Or is it like who would be best at the dance? Honestly, it was all in the eye of the survey folks here. So it could be a lot of different criteria that they can people get multiple dances. Yep. OK, so it's not going to be one assigned to one. Got it. I feel like Joe, Joe, but I want to say it's the Joe, but the Joe, but Joe do the robot.

OK, Joe, but for the Josh, about Liana, what about you? Yeah, I'm sort of torn between two people, Cedric and Kyle. I feel like Kyle has a sort of logical, you know, lawyery kind of game bodiness maybe, but Cedric also, you know, he's a bot doctor. All right. And we might use some robots. Yeah. Throughout that process.

And also, I don't know, Cedric maybe seems a little bit robotic. So I think I'm going to ultimately land with Cedric. Josh, I have some slightly bad news for you and not a great prognosis at the moment, because Cedric received forty seven point three percent of the votes. It's a robot. And Joe received five point three. OK, comparison.

So that's about 53 points, right? Yeah, yeah. I see you are behind by us. I have that work. But Cedric obviously had the most votes, nearly half a second was Justin. Oh, OK. Now that track, that half a second was Justin. Oh, OK. Now that track that kind of tracks for me. And then and then third was David with seven point one percent. OK. Oh, interesting.

OK. All right. Trying to get a sense of the viewers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we had a nice little temperature taken here. So let's move into our next one. Leon, I will start with you. Let's talk about Jeff's other oft quoted move here. Which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the bossa nova?

Oh, boy. OK, so Leo, let me look at the list. We're thinking like Lucy Goosey, flowy, right? Like that kind of energy. I'm going to go with Mary as my option. OK. And Josh, I'm trying to think of who among the survivor 48 players reads the most like a Ninja Turtle, because I feel like I think bossa nova.

I feel like for whatever reason, I just imagine a ninja turtle saying bossa nova. And Justin loved pizza, so and Justin was on the mind of the people. So I'm going to go Justin, Justin Bossa Nova. OK. Harper Nova is a great name for a pizza place. All right. Well, it's a great name for a pizza place. It's not a great pick for you, Josh. Justin got 4% of the vote. But Leona, don't think too highly because Mary got 5%

we nailed it. I have to do it. The top folk getter with 19.5 percent, Joe. I should have stuck with. OK, you know what? Yeah, I can see that. I can totally see that. I guess in the way that like Jeff personified boss,

you know, but it felt like a very bad dance, which I think makes sense because Joe is the most dad coded. So the way that Jeff did all the dances was very dad coded. That's very true, actually, by default. Second place. Jeff describing dancing, crying, because I'm a father too. Second place was David again. No, David was third last time.

And third place was Shaheen. Okay. I guess Shaheen was the one who was involved in the analogies. Maybe he got associated there. That makes sense. Yeah, I could see that. Which I guess was the one who was involved in the analogies. Maybe they just he got associated there. That makes sense. Yeah, I could see that. All right. Now the training wheels are off. Now I just threw out a bunch of.

Yes. So good luck on this bike, Wiggler, because I just threw out a bunch of random dances and had people, you know, go with their guts here. Josh, which survivor eight contestant reminds you the most of the Macarena? Why did I know it was going to be the Macarena? I wish that I had said it out loud because I knew it. I knew it was going to be the Macarena. I think because I figured that that's probably like the first dance

move that you know, Mike, I think the Macarena. Like when you're when you're freelancing out and now you have to assemble your own dance list, Macarena is coming. Number one for my number one is probably sprinkler for me. Oh, sprinkler, because it feels a little more off the beaten path. It's like that game. They've done the sprinkler for me right now. I'd like to see a salary man. Could you do the sprinkler? Yes. OK. Yep.

Mike Bloom does a good sprinkler, folks. Thank you. I've been working hard on that one. Who does the good Macarena? OK, so someone who is dancing in the 90s. Who is dancing in the 90s? I mean, this is a this is a cast that's in their 30s by considerable margins. So it's actually not going to be that small of a net to cast. I'm going to I'm going to go with Joe again, because I veered away from June.

I shouldn't have. So I'm going to say Joe does the Macarena. OK, Leona. Yeah, I'm also going to math. I'm going to say David. I feel like David's on the mind. Let's try it. Yeah. All right. Well, Leona, you were slightly on the mind of the viewers here. David came in third place with ten point seven points. Josh, Joe, more of a bossa nova guy. Evidently, he only got three point six percent of the votes.

The number one. Now, this is a bit of a more evenly split dance, but the number one by thirteen point six percent, Mary. Oh. I don't know that there's any real logical through line to any of this. I think we could just say names and like our odds of getting close to the money. I don't want to say that out loud. I'm sorry. I just think that that's kind of what's going on. No, this is like the Balachar B&B games.

It's still no. No, you're right. It's a skill based game. I apologize. I apologize. Oh, sorry. Yeah, there's no dice involved, Josh. OK, this is still not luck. Come on. I will say my personal guess would have been the person who came in second place with 11.2 percent. Chrissy. Oh, Chrissy. Yeah. OK. OK. Carla.

Josh. Yeah, Carl. Carl does the Macarena for sure. I get that. I see that. OK. All right. Well, the barrage of white people dances continues here. Leona, we're going to another wedding favorite. Which survivor 40 contestant reminds you the most of the cha cha slide? We see this is what I was going to say for Chrissy. So now I'm a little bit concerned because so many people thought that she was more

Macarena than Cha Cha slide. But I think I'm going to stick with my like gun and I'm going to say Chrissy. OK, Chrissy, just slide. You got to be like a little smooth, right? I feel like Cha Cha Cha Cha now, you know, turn it up. Mm hmm. Who's going to do it? Who's going to do the cha cha? So shame, Christina, cha cha is not on this season.

So close because anytime she slides, it counts. Who's like the who's like the smoothest? I think I'm going to go with Kyle. I think Kyle can rock the cha cha slide. He seems like I think he's the coolest guy on the cast. Kyle, cool guy Kyle, the cha-cha. OK, well, that's an opinion that is not shared by anybody who took this survey.

What is Mike? No, this is anything. Nobody nobody Kyle. Liana, I've never seen anyone dance before. OK, the good news, Liana, is two people said Chrissy, which culminates in one point two percent. Yeah. Of the votes on number one here. Star. OK. We're checking in. both on Josh. Number one here, star.

OK, which I can't. OK, especially that's that's lying around. And number two is Mitch. Mitch Mitch was on the mind. Yes, yes, I can see it. Where did Joe land? Oh, let's see. Always a good question. You know, I think Joe wound up in the Kyle spot.

He did not get chosen for this one. Wow. OK. All right. OK. I guess sort of like the would you rather have a Macarena daughter or a cha-cha slide son? I feel like people is that a thing? Is it was it like a thought daughter, a gay son? Right. That was the conundrum. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a version of that question, Mike, that I never, ever expected to hear.

Well, I'm going to ask that out on Survivor 49 preseason. So watch out, people. There you go. Yes. All right. Next up here. I believe it's Josh this time. Which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the continent? Joe, it's Joe. Now take those first two letters and drop it and add an angle line.

It's kind of like. Take away is my again exactly how you just did it. I actually drop off the letters except for CEO added in the line, it's kind. OK. All right. OK. All right. So who's best at the line is what I'm trying to figure out now. I feel like Joe. OK, I feel like Joe does.

I feel like Joe, like at the at the at the reception, you know, is the one who's like, come on, everybody, Congo time. That feels like a Joe thing to do. Yeah, I just feel very community based, right? Like, come on, if we all get together. Yeah, we can let our bygones be bygones. If we put our hands on our shoulders, we can get around this room together. Mm hmm. Yeah. All right.

Liana, I feel like there's two lines of logic. You can go with it. You can go. Konga line is in like a follower. Konga line. Oh, go with the leader of the Konga line. Right. It's awesome passengers. Yes. Are you the leader of the Konga line or the follower?

Jeff's going to love it. He's a big dancing guy. Just throw in some mud and then you'll be totally set. So from that perspective, I'm kind of like I'm all over the place because I think you could use that logic really in any direction. So I think I'm just going to go with somebody who I could see leading the conga line, and I'm going to go with Shaheen. Hmm. Yeah, that's a good bet.

He's leaving it. OK. So we have Shaheen got five point three percent of the votes. And Joe ended up getting he was certainly on the list. He got higher. He got eight point eight percent. I won. You did. One one. I think I would be of the three. The conga line would be me.

That's what I would do. Hard to mess up the conga line. That's true. Yeah. Basically, just a massage train with motion. You don't have I wouldn't like the conga line, but it'd be hard to mess it up. The conga line is tough when you're involved in the middle of it because you feel a succinct pressure to be like I if I feel uncomfortable, I cannot break up the momentum right now.

I am drawing a line in the sand. If I vacate my spot right now, if you're in the front or in the back, it's much easier to leave. No, but there's a move. There's a move for it. OK, so one hand on the hip of the person in front of you. Your other hand grabs the hand of the person behind you and grabs their hand, moves it to connect with the person in front of you as you slide out of the conga line.

There is a move for it, baby. That's sneaky as hell. I love that. And you do it while you're moving. So if you can do it while they're moving their hand forward and your hips go, you like, you just slide, boom, you're out. That's smooth as silk, Liana. Wow. I's so cool. That's still clear. Wow.

I'm an expert. You've escaped a few conga lines, it sounds like. Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. Let me out of this conga line. All right. Let's move into another dance here. And I I'm incredibly intrigued to see how experienced the two of you are in this one. Liana, which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the Dougie? Mm hmm. Oh, that's my cat.

How to. Uh, OK, so again, I'm thinking like smooth, right? Someone who's like very smooth, very with it. And I feel like, oh, well, Shaheen, the other one that I think we ascribe to like being a little bit, you know, smooth with the bossa nova of it all. So I think I'm going to stick with my guess of Shaheen. He's going to hit at some point.

OK, Leona, go with Shaheen. Josh, now you have a connection to the Ducky. Yeah, you have an in-house Ducky. I have my Ducky. I think could you teach me how to ducky? I don't understand what it even is. All right. Let me demonstrate it. Yes. All right.

Here goes my head. I think is it something like like this? It's like, no, your hand goes up next to your up like that. Yeah. Yeah. So you're kind of like wiping at your face. It reminds me of this is of no disrespect to the people who invented the dog. It reminds me of like in a very Brady movie when Marsha keep on keep on the dance that everyone joins in on.

It's sort of like that. You did a very good version of the Brady Bunch dance. That's all I know how to do, Josh. Yeah, I only know how to do things one way and that's full Brady. Oh, Brady. All right. Well, after that perfect demonstration, do you have a choice here for who best represents the Dougie? Oh, yo.

OK, go in with Joe. The goose eggs, unfortunately, will return, Josh. Joe not picked for the Dougie and Liana. Four point eight percent said Shaheen, a top choice here, Star. OK, OK. And twenty eight point six percent. Then Kyle with eighteen point five percent. OK. Yeah. OK. And then say with 17.3 percent.

Yeah. OK. All right. Yep. That's very funny to me. OK. Figure out how to do a survivor dance off at some point. Like, hey, anyone's got the media in season 14. If anyone's got the reach for this, I feel like RHAP could put together a true survivor dance off it, like a New York event. You got served, Ivor. Yes. Look, is it going to take a little bit of explanation potentially? I don't care.

Is that like when we bring legal papers to Sir Iver? Yep. The traders Lord Iver. I mean, look, you got served more ways than one. Yeah. All right. Next up, we're going to the kids here. Josh, which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of flossing?

Any dentists on the cast? No, there are no dentists. In fact, charity said that she got five cavities allegedly out on survivor. So she reminds me of the floss because she really could use some. Are you picking her? Yeah. OK. Like 13 days. How does she develop that I call BS on that? OK, so she's like scapegoating survivor for the fact that she like never learned

how to brush her teeth. She claims that it was probably due to because she had the coffee during the pastries reward and she didn't brush her teeth after that. So I think she thinks that maybe the acidity of the coffee was what did it. OK, anyway. All right. Liana, clearly you have a thought about that. How do you how do you feel about flossing with survivor contestants? OK, so obviously, the first thing I thought of was backpack kid.

Right. And the backpack kid, which I believe you even use as the picture for the survey. So as a consequence of that, I'm thinking about the person who is maybe the closest in proximity to children with backpacks. Oh, whatever. I'm going with Mitch. OK, like. OK, so your logic by Mitch is that because there is a backpack kid who flossed, whoever is most likely to have been seen within a certain radius of a backpack of a kid with a backpack. I don't know if that's saying something about any orders that are put in against the other survivor contestants. Yeah.

Well, not a lot of people use that logic, Liana. So only 6. five percent for Mitch. But I will say that charity dug a bit of a cavity in the ratings as well. Two point nine percent. Hey, what's up with Bony Per? Number one choice here, Camilla. Oh, Camilla, because she's so short.

Because she's like smaller. I guess Mary is up there as well. Justin was up there for some reason. OK, I don't see it. But look, there's so many different lines of logic. You know what I mean? So I think I resigned from the dance off. I think I've just I've blown it.

I've done so poorly here at the dance off. I'm going to. This is like when I auditioned for first year players freshman year at Syracuse for how to succeed in business without really trying. And I did really well in the acting audition and the singing part. And then I had to do the dance part. And then I split my pants doing the dance off and had to go back up to Mount Olympus with my split pants khakis. And I'd never forgot about it. And I think this is like the seventh podcast I've brought it up in at some point in my life.

So, yeah, I think I'm I think I'm done. I'm throwing in the towel. I'm throwing in the split, Mackie. I'm done. I can't. How about you and Liana work together here, by the way, that you're basically describing how Sandra Diaz Twine has won Survivor twice of like, you don't need to be good at everything, right? You like you killed it at these other two parts of the game.

You might not be known as one of the best dancers, but that's OK, because those are million dollar pants you're splitting. It doesn't matter how much you killed the game with. I split my pants. Look at my pants. I split my pants. All I hear is Josh Wiggler lowering his threat level. OK, and I won't stand for it.

Yeah, I'm Dan Stark and yeah, I knew it. I know it. All right. Well, then'm Dan Stark and yeah, I knew it. I know it. All right. Well, then maybe we'll make this cooperative instead of instead of, you know, combative. Let's have to keep running. Keep it running. You know, second win, second win. I'm back. I'm ready. All right. Well, here's a here's a good one, Josh.

Let's bring it back home. Which survivor contestant, Josh, reminds you the most of the hokey pokey. Joe. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. You're going to have one day going ahead. He's a dad. Okay, okay. It's a big dad dance, I think. Yeah, that's a good point.

Oh, I see. Oh, my God was saying, all right, whatever. I'm just going to stick with it. I'm going to say David. David. OK, this was a rare David miss. David only got four point one percent of the vote. But Joe got one point eight. What? Come on, Joe. I was a better guy going for the pun. But we forget, much like the edit does about Chrissy,

who got twenty nine point two percent of the vote. Chrissy. Yeah, I could see it. Second place was Cedric. Our third place was charity. Cedric was a great pick for hokey pokey. And I feel very stupid. Not. Yeah, he does a lot of hokey and poking is your butt.

Yeah. Hokey pokey hasric all over it. My bad. All right. Well, speaking of Cedric, and maybe this will play into who you choose, Liana, for this next one. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of twerking? Yeah. Lock it in, Cedric. I can't not.

We got to throw that butt in a circle, Cedric. I can't not. We got that button to circle Cedric. All right. Low hang in fruit. And that fruit is a peach for Leona. Josh, what about you? I have. Can I also say Cedric? Because I think this is going to be. But we're going to get butt stuff here, I think. If you think that the Internet loves to zig when we zag and Cedric only got four point one

percent of the vote. Which does make sense because look, obviously there is the biological connotation. But if I were to think about which survivor would be most likely to twerk. There is a number one answer and it is Mary. Okay. I was gonna say Thomas. I feel like Thomas can twerk. Yeah, yeah.

Twerk and Tom is what they call them out there. But Mary got nearly 25% of the vote. Second place, Say, who got Mary and Say right next to each other there. Maybe that's how they bond on the island. And Thomas was in third place with twelve point nine percent. Yeah, there we go. All right. OK.

Next up, where was Joe in that in the always a great question, Joe? Of course. Oh, boy. What's that sliver? Joe got one one vote. OK. You would have gotten something if you had said, we know that Josh filled out that survey now. OK, Josh, which survivor? Forty eight contestant reminds you the most of the running man.

Is that sweet? He's just running in place. The running man. Are there any professional runners? In the. I don't think we have any crosscut. Well, Mitch does do like ultra marathons. OK. And is that well known? I mean, he's he's talked about it before. Joe. All right.

Joe and Leona. Sorry, it was the pause and then Joe. Like, OK, Josh. No. So I'm not going to lie. Mitch, again, was the first and then Joe. Like, OK, Josh, no. So I'm not going to lie. Mitch, again, was the first person who popped into my head. But I'm going to hope for recency bias because there is one woman, say, who popped out of that. Yeah. And ran towards that advantage.

She was birthed into this game. Indeed. So I'm going to go against my first gut instinct and I'm going to say, say, OK, say got six point four percent of the vote. I will say, Leon, a Mitch got eleven point six percent of the vote. Josh Wiggler. Joe Hunter got fifteen point seven percent of the vote, the number one answer on the board. What? This is why you never quit, survivor.

Yeah, deep. Yes. Wow. I love it. I'm so impressed. All right. I got a couple more left here. Leona class here, let's class up this joint. Which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of a waltz? OK, so I'm thinking something that is structured and beautiful and well orchestrated, much like Kyle and Camilla's move when they were outnumbered.

So I'm going to give it to the man who played the idol, Kyle. But I think both would be a good answer. All right. And Josh? Um, I am going to say Joe again, but it's like Joe is giving me true lies. Arnold Schwarzenegger doing the waltz. Joe holds Eva so carefully, like very, like very gentle. Like I feel like Joe strolls up to the wedding floor.

Stealth waltzer, I think. Good to say, Joe. All right. Well, he wasn't number one, but he was number two in the votes. This time, Joe got eleven point one percent of the vote. But Liana, you weren't far behind. Kyle got eight point eight percent of the vote. But Liana, you weren't far behind. Kyle got eight point eight percent of the vote. OK, I'll take it. Wait, then who is number one? Number one was Cedric with twelve point nine percent of the vote.

And a lot of those, but Dr. Gala's he's going to. Though I can imagine what happens is that it's like at one of these like Regency era dances were like Cedric's dancing with a possible mate and then like spins them away and then another one comes sliding up. He's just like consistently bringing people in and constantly voting out his dance partner. The Merge Gala, by the way.

Whoo. I like that. That's a good one. Right. Is it above feast? That's the only I don't know. But you have a feast at the gala, maybe sometimes. Yeah. They're equivalent. I feel like you about you have a feast at the gala. Maybe sometimes. Yeah, they're equivalent. I feel like you kind of get a meal at a gala. Hmm.

And I will say that so it was Cedric first, Joe second, Camilla wasn't third. So you were on the right track and then Kyle Kyle and Camilla were both up there. Charity also out there as well. OK, OK. All right. All right. Last but. OK, OK. All right. All right. Last but not least, Josh, which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of interpretive dance? One could argue this entire game should be called interpretive.

Interpretive dance. I'm not going to pick Joe this time. So that's like outside the box. Creative. Was the name of the person who got voted out first? Stephanie, Stephanie. Well, I'm banking on people remembering who she is, but I'm going to pick Stephanie. I feel like Stephanie, an interpretive dancer. I feel like she has a lot of like Courtney Merritt energy.

I just, I don't know why my first gut was star and I just gonna stick with it. I just feel like the expressive energy and the movement and like something about the way she moves her body very much gives me interpretive dance. That was an interpretive dance up to the booth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Well, star did get 14.7% of the booth. Yeah. Yeah. The Penn was purposeful. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Star did get fourteen point seven percent of the vote in first place was say with eighteen point eight percent of the vote tied with Stephanie. Whoa. What? I see. Don't be old. And he wins an interpretive dance, finishing with the exact same number of votes as well. That's amazing. That's actually amazing. Wow. You could not write that. I love. Wow. Storybook ending for you, Josh. How many votes did Joe get on interpretive dance?

Oh, good question. He got. That would be zero. Which you probably need to score the Joe gets in the interpretive dance competition. Josh, you did make up a lot of ground here, but Leona got first to the puzzle and she was able to use that or to get off to a very early lead with that Cedric guess. So Leona does win. But Josh, listen, after that, I crossed the balance beam.

I crossed the balance beam. I was ready to give up and I was like, yeah, you can't. You had a little bit of that Cedric moment where you're just like, I'm crumbling right now. You gave yourself that talk. And you push forward and you had a very respectful finish here. Wiggy. I hope Star does cameo to get those types of talk.

Oh, I hope so as well. I hope so as well. Inevitable, inevitable. All right. Well, Josh, as we say goodbye to charity this week, we invite, as always, the opportunity for you to say hello to a very different one. As always, we give some time at the end of every podcast for a guest on the BNB to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them that you want listeners to know about.

What would you like to plug this week? Oh, my gosh, I was totally unprepared for this. Let me think. And again, a charity, not charity, just as we have to say now, and I feel like every single episode. Yeah. Just just to clarify, although I guess suppose we can set up a GoFundMe for charity and then you could donate that to charity. That would be the best rug pull in survival history is like, oh, we're donating to charity.

And I know you're a person. Is there any charities that we can that we can set up for Mike Bloom to get past his issues with milk. I have no issue with milk. No, I agree, Josh. This is a prevalent issue. I think we need to invest some funding in this. I agree. Okay. I've just... Because I totally forgot about this.

So I am doing this a little off the cuff. So I haven't vetted the charity, but I do just want to say when you start searching for milk charity, milk charity, milk charity, Glasgow shows up founded in 2014, a social enterprise set up to support women from a migrant background, including refugees and asylum seekers. It's a catering company and community space in the south side of Glasgow. I'm going to go with Milk Glasgow. OK, you know, Leona and I have been doing this podcast for now.

Our 19th season. I don't think I've ever had a charity yet plugged like Milk. Glasgow, Milk, Glasgow. That sounds like a spy. The name's Glasgow. Ooh, it sounds like a way you could get secret intel, like milk, the glass cow. And you can get your information. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a code. No, Glasgow.

Let's go. Milk, Glasgow. Dot com. Listen, as much as we are all residing in the States right now, there are causes you can always donate to around the world, and that includes over in Glasgow. So please, milk, Glasgow dot com. And if there's if there's a problem there, if this is spoiled milk, Glasgow dot com, taste it and let us know and we'll print a retraction.

I'll deliver a retraction on next week's pre-recorded BNB. All right. Well, Josh, thanks for stopping by here on the BNB. We again, talk through a lot of weird and wild stuff in true BNB fashion that I was so happy to drink it all in, even if I can't necessarily drink a glass of milk. Now you are doing plenty out there in the podcast. Anything you'd like to plug in particular to the listeners out there? We just finally wrapped our severance coverage for this past season.

The doctors and myself got together one last time to say goodbye to season two of Severance. So that is up with theories and feedback from the listeners as well as our own takes on season two in review. Check that out, we know severance.com. Rob and I just finished up the White Lotus. Mike White's very own TV show, season three, just came to an end.

No spoilers, but a lot to talk about. So a very fun final podcast on the White Lotus front. And while I am not talking about Survivor 48, I am once again, back in the past where I belong, talking survivor heroes versus villains. 15 years later for the patrons of RHAP. That is a patron only podcast. If you are a patron of RHAP at any level, you have access to it. Each week, Rob and I are talking about a different episode of Heroes vs.

Villains 15 years later. Very, very funny conversations happening over there. Some surprising insight. Really no idea if we are retreading ground that we've already covered in one of our previous, like three or four different conversations we've had about heroes versus villains, but it feels like fresh milk. So go take a, take a swig. Join up. Rob has a website.com slash patron today.

All right. Leanna, what do you have to plug? I love it, Josh. And we're going to hire you to run the fund. Mike Bloom, but we did with that voice and that promotional material. If I could be like the voice of the commercials on here. Yeah, we honestly, the world needs more carnival Parker energy. Roll up, roll up. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I'm going to get your milk.

OK. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Go fund me more like go milk me. Am I right? Okay, so that's gonna be David. Don't spoil David's business after he gets off the show. Yeah, why did that kill me? I've been murdered.

Okay, so, hmm, Drag Race is happening. That's a thing that's still going on. So Beth Amon and I are covering Drag Race. We are down to the last two episodes. We've got a lot of perusa and then the finale. Oh, my gosh, we're going to have a winner of this latest season. And then we are doing the how talking about a bunch of random stuff. We have a very big episode that's going to be coming out this week

with some major life changes. So we're going to, I assume, be talking a ton about all of that on the panel. So you don't want to miss it. OK, look at this, T. This is even better than all the promos from last week's episode of Survivor, an episode you cannot miss of the pal. Check out all the usual stuff I'm doing. Got the chance to talk with charity, which was great.

You know, obviously she had a certain reaction to, I think, the edit and a lot of the things that her cast members were saying about her sort of secondhand at least. So she gave a lot of reaction to that. A lot of her perspectives into not only what went down at Mergetory, but everything going on in the pre merge too. So absolutely check all that out. In addition to our amazing race coverage, a little bit of a controversial episode of the amazing race this week.

So Jess and I broke that all down and I have an interview with the latest eliminated team there covering the last of us is coming back this Sunday, which should be a very exciting grace and I are going to be doing episodic recaps of that on Sunday night and uh, last thing I'll plug actually a little bit of a scripted deviation of the pit is coming out with this finale on Thursday. First off, you should watch it. Secondly, I just got the chance to talk with fan favorite Taylor Dearden, who plays one of the most beloved characters of the show. It was a really great conversation. And listen, I've been very open on this podcast and many about, you know,

my own mental health and my recent ADHD diagnosis. And Taylor, who is also with ADHD, was able to describe about how she brought that particular facet of herself into her character and culminates in an incredibly popular portrayal. So if you're into the show, which it should be, be sure to check all that out, as well as all the other random stuff that's out there from me out on the Internet at a Mike Bloom type, including in just several days time. We'll be back. It seems like we're getting in a possible double boot coming up here to kick off the jury.

So we know that things will be shaken up once more. We'll see if this means that the the milkman alliances, Josh, coined them. Will they be able to use this as an opportunity to solidify their alliance or will it liquefy? We shall see next week when Leon and all of you joined by another guest of breaking it all down. Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes here at R.J.P. for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears. And from Roll for America, first fantastic theme song,

which if you're listening to the podcast version, you can check it out right now and then check out the video version and watch me eat my pen out of my my window. Do you do that again? Can we go full circle? You have another pen to throw? I don't even know how he did it. I do. Thank you all so much for listening. Josh, Liana, thank you both, as always, for your incredible work. We'll be back next week, covering episode seven of Survivor 48. Until next time, everybody will check you out at your next day.

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