RHAP: We Know Survivor - Kaôh F***ing Rong Rewatch Ep 9

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

Kaôh F***ing Rong Rewatch Ep 9 Survivor: Kaôh R?ng explodes with chaos and shifting loyalties in this episode of Kaôh F***ing Rong, as hosts Rob Cesternino and Chappell dig deep into the infamous Debbie blindside and the psychological warfare tearing the tribe apart. Passions run high as Scott and Jason ratchet up the sabotage, stashing machetes and dumping water on the campfire, testing the patience and strategy of both their allies and their enemies. Julia finds herself right in the middle, balancing the risky business of swinging between alliances and facing tough questions about where she really stands. Kaôh F***ing Rong is back, and Rob Cesternino and Chappell take listeners through every twist of episode 9. The men’s bitter response to Nick’s exit leaves the camp in turmoil, while Julia’s team pick at the reward challenge sparks suspicion and pits her against the wary women’s alliance. Debbie clings to her faith in Julia, setting up a showdown with Aubry over which threat to target next. In a dramatic immunity challenge, Julia wins when her game is on the line, shifting the plan and leaving Debbie vulnerable. At Tribal Council, idols are flashed, rock-paper-scissors is played, and trust evaporates, paving the way for one of the wildest votes yet. Key discussion points: – Scott and Jason’s psychological warfare and its effect on tribe unity – Julia’s pivotal move at the reward challenge and the fallout for her alliances – The strategic split between Debbie and Aubry regarding the Julia vote – Julia’s crucial immunity win and what it means for her standing – The Tribal Council idol circus and the fallout from Debbie’s blindside As battle lines blur and social bonds are tested, will anyone keep an edge in a game full of chaos and deception? Is flipping early the right call, or will loyalty earn a player the million? Don’t miss a minute as Rob and Chappell break down every backstab and blindside from Survivor: Kaôh R?ng’s most explosive episode yet! Chapters: 0:00 Debbie’s Blindside and Psychological Warfare 2:05 Should Joe Have Warned Debbie? 5:29 Scott and Jason Sabotage the Camp 7:39 Bullying vs. Strategy: Is It Worth It? 11:08 Reward Challenge: Julia Joins the Guys 14:11 Debbie’s Julia Loyalty vs. Aubry’s Doubt 18:01 Aubry and Sydney Target Julia 20:03 Julia Wins Domino Immunity Challenge 26:00 Tai Pours Water on the Fire 29:25 Debbie Reveals the Vote Split Plan 31:02 Super Idol Play: Unpacking the Rules 35:13 Debbie’s Downfall and Julia’s True Loyalty 37:05 Aubry and Sydney Form Alliance 42:30 Debbie Lies About Not Returning 44:34 Live Show Anecdotes and Survivor Legacy 48:46 Eating Mark the Chicken: Too Far? 52:16 Episode 450 and Survivor Milestones To order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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It's Chappelle. How are you? I don't know. Now that you mention it, Rob, I probably could do a little psychological warfare. Nothing crazy, though. Nothing crazy. I'm far too lazy. Far too lazy to do anything too wild.

There's a lot going on here in Debbie's boot episode. What a run for Debbie here in Survivor Co. Wrong as Scott and Jason are sabotaging the camp and even tie. And we'll talk about it all as a big total blindside for Debbie in this episode after that was one of the things that she said she was going to do what to Liz and let me see if I play the Debbie Total Blindside

oh hold on Debbie total blindside here we go Total blind side Yes with the who wants to be a millionaire music after Yes she could use the lifeline in this episode Should have called Joe

I mean that well that's my first question Was this a blind side because why didn't Joe just tell Debbie they were going to vote for her. I mean, he doesn't plan on voting for her, but he knows everybody else does. I think his worldview is like, that's preposterous. Stop it. We're not doing that. Like, okay. So he just like, does it perceive it at all? It sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me. Yeah, he's not a gossip. Well, I mean, is it gossip? Yeah, I mean, your people are coming to you and say, hey, Joe, we want to vote out your number one ally. You say, I don't want to do that. And they say, okay, well, we're probably still going to

do it. You said, all right, well, good luck. Godspeed. And you never go and tell Debbie, like, Hey, just so you know, just so you know, they're going to vote for you. He knew they were serious, but he didn't think they were literal, you know? No. Like, Joe, what do you doing? I need to know if, Debbie could not have been blinded out here. There's just no reason why Joe shouldn't tell her. At the very least, let her know, hey, I'm not going to voting for you, but these other people are.

Yeah. Hopefully you can go find an idol. You know, they thought Aubrey had one. Neil got voted out with one. maybe it's back in the game. You know, I just really think that for Debbie to get blinds out of here with her number one ally being in on the plan

and he doesn't even, like, he doesn't vote with them to vote her out. So, like, he's not in on, like, he's not buying the plan. So why does he just tell her? They're voting out Scott here in this episode. And we get, it's a 4-3-2 here. Four for Debbie, three for Sydney,

and then two for Scott. There's a lot of stuff going on with the idol. So I'm really looking forward to talking this through here with you. I've reviewed not just the episode. I also watched the entire live know-at-alls from Caroline's on Broadway,

R-IP to Caroline's on Broadway, back from April 13th, 2016. Lots of fun stories from that podcast that I watched. I also listened to Debbie's exit interview today. In her exit interview, did she tell you of Joe, like, told her what was going on?

No, that did not come up. I also listened to this week in Survivor history for the first time in this exercise. I was in the car. I was done talking to Debbie and I listened to my entire conversation with Jordan Kalish from April 13th, 2016. I was going to ask you if you were being held hostage when you said that.

So you did this on purpose. Are you okay? Blink twice if something's wrong. I mean, it was just on. I was like, okay. Let me see where this goes. Yeah, that's pretty much how most people discover Twitch. I'm joking. I really do enjoy Twitch and Jordan in his commentary. But yeah, the Debbie thing is very interested in me. Also, interested in me, Rob, I was a very big fan of the podcast at this time,

and I just had fantasies of going to Carolines on Broadway and going to one of these live shows. Been to plenty of live shows. Never got to experience this. It feels like a missed opportunity for me. It was intimate. It was about 300 people, and you were really, like, on top of each other. I think the max seating was, like, 320, and we really filled up the thing. It was, like, you'd go down the basement, and it was, like, a really, like,

everybody, you were on top of other people. Like there were, like, you were sitting at tables, and it was really a cramped room. I mean, it was exciting. We hadn't done a lot of live shows, but it was, you certainly got to know people. Yeah, that's pretty cool. In a weird way, I'm relieved that I never got to go on stage for something like that. 300 people seems a little too close. You know, like when it's, when you have your, you know, stadium field like you do now, Rob, it's like I'm talking.

to faceless people. You know, they're in the crowd. I don't have to worry about it during the commercial breaks. But Caroline, it feels like people could reach up and touch you. Right there. Yeah.

You have to, like, really, like, walk, like, through the mob of people to get there. As some things don't change, you know, Eliza is heckling us all throughout the show, just yelling things from the audience. But she's close enough

that you could kind of make out what she's saying. Yeah. See, this would give me stage fright. You know, you're very good at what you do because I would be so nervous being up there in front of 300 people.

It just feels like it's too, too personal. You know, back up. Back up off me. Okay, well, we can talk more about that, but let's talk about the actual episode itself, which really takes a lot of twists and turns. It's a really, really well done episode. A lot of it hinges on Julia,

and Julia being the hinge between the women and then ultimately the guys. We can, I guess, start off by talking it through with the sabotage. The guys are mad. about what happened with Nick. And so that's it. We're going to do psychological warfare. Kyle Jason says he knows about psychological warfare.

He did psychological warfare in the army. I'd like to hear more about that of what he... What was he doing? He is sabotaging everybody. They're going to... They start... They take the machete and... I want to say the saw, but they have to...

The acts, I think it would. stacks. They have to use the saw to cut the coconuts. Yeah. I don't know. I don't like, well, obviously, it's not fun to watch something like this, right? Because they're basically saying like, we're men, we're providers, and we're so we're going to stop providing so you all can just suffer. But I get the pettiness, right? I like when reality TV people get mad and start doing ridiculous stuff, right? Jatia throwing a rice in the fire, inject that into my veins. That's the kind of stuff that I like to see. I'm not really that mad about this. Am I annoyed that they're kind of blue? everybody, sure, whatever, but at the same time, it's good TV.

My issue here, Rob, is, is this good strategy? How, like, what is the upside to doing something like this? So I think that the initial upside is that they're sort of like playing from the Russell Hance playbook. Okay, if we hide the machete, if we hide the axe, they'll be chaos. They'll realize how much they need us because we are the providers and they're going to look to us. If they think that they can just tell us what to do, well, they're not going to be able to.

And then I think then when Sydney is able to put the coconuts in the fire, she gets out the saw, they open the coconuts. That's where you see Scott go and pour the water on the fire. It's like, all right, now I'm pouring the water on the fire. Yeah, but there's no strategy to that, right? That's just pettiness, right? That's just like, you thought you had a thing. You thought you were so big and bad. You were able to get these coconuts open.

Well, I'm going to show you. now what are you going to do without a fire? And guess what, Scott? Imagine that. They can start a fire too. This is so silly. Yep. It's not the best Survivor play.

And it's really, you don't see anything like this on Survivor anymore. No, not really. Even with Jatia throwing out the fire, it wasn't strategy. She was just throwing a fit. She was kind of like, you know what, like, yeah, y'all are icing me out,

y'all are going to vote me out. I'm mad. Let me throw the rice away. It makes total sense. But to kind of look at this and be like, all right, this is something they're doing and they hope to further their game and then sit in the jury and win, I just don't get it, you know, even if there is this perceived alliance of all girls versus these three guys or two guys in tithe, but depending on however you spend it or what moment you're looking at the screen. Like if they get to the final two or three or whatever, if there's a third option, they're not going to get the votes. Nobody is going to sit here and be bullied for three weeks and then just be like, all right, you good. I think at this point, maybe they feel like the game has already gotten away from them.

So they thought, I think that maybe they felt like that Sydney turning on them was the death blow. They are outnumbered at this point. What is there? Nine people in the game. So they're outnumbered. The three of them, six to three, kind of insurmountable odds for the three of them to ultimately get to the end. They feel like that they can make. some noise. They do have the super idol.

It's not going to be that easy to get rid of them. But as far as them getting to the end as a group, I think that that ship has sailed. I think this is bad gameplay again. You know, like, I'm enjoying the characters of Korn, but the closer I look at this season, I just think there are some bad players. Because

I think that you could still be an asset to Sydney. Yeah, she blindsided you, but if you pretend to be nice and say, all right, Sydney, yeah, you voted out Nick. Y'all barely knew Nick. You've been merged for two votes. It's not like Nick is y'all's best friend. I'm sure Sidney could use the numbers, right?

Like, you could be, hey, Sydney, we understand you had to get rid of Nick. We're totally good. What do you want to do next? And then Sydney goes, okay, maybe I'm not feeling Julia right now. Maybe Ty is the person that she wants out to weaken them further. That's fine. What happened to anybody but me?

Well, I think the thing that you're describing is really, Surrey talked about this in Survivor 50, and she said that's the difference between new school and the new era and old era players. The old era players are sort of locked in. They have their alliances, whether they started before the game or not. And these are the people I'm working with. And that's that. Where the new era people, it's like, okay, you didn't work with me on this vote. What could we do today?

Yeah. Again, it's not like Sidney blindsided them and took out Jason from Scott or Scott from Jason. She took out Nick. Respect to the mail jar, but y'all, y'all wasn't really in your life. You just met this dude. I'm saying? So I think the moment Sidney flips, it really draws this line in the middle of the camp and says like, okay, girls on this side, guys on this side, but then there's Joe still

there working with the brains, you know, so it's not a clear division of gender here. They're making it one, but it doesn't have to be. Yeah. The women, just for the most part, they're sick of these guys, but Joe is very much

with the women that are there, and that's the great setup for a very interesting reward challenge. And Jeff is doing some stuff here that is different than he's done in the past. I think it's very fun. I think it's interesting. We talked about in the last episode, instead of, okay, I'm going to come out with all these things to tempt you, here's all the food. You want out of the challenge, go eat it.

And we kind of get a version of that here today with we get to our reward challenge. And Jeff's like, just make. Teams. Whoever you want to be with, that's the team. I mean, two teams of four and one person has to sit out. We're not going to do a pick-um. We're not going to do a draft. Just make the teams.

And it's a perfect time to do this too because, again, the lines are very clearly defined. Ty has thrown his lot in with these two guys, right? And kudos to Ty being able to escape the fact that he voted Jason last round. He's like, no, I voted for Debbie. I'm pretty sure Nick. The same Nick that you're riding or dying. voted for you, Jason, the same one that got you pouring out the... Rob, do you, you saw what I'm talking about?

You see what I'm talking about? This is the same Nick that they're like, well, now I can't work with Sidney. He voted for you, allegedly. You know what I'm saying? But Ty's like, yeah, I voted for Debbie. I don't know what I'll tell you. And so now it's the three of them. And I think when Jeff looks over there, he can tell there's not a lot of mingling going on.

You know, they talk about it at the challenge where they're saying there is sabotage going on. They're putting out the fire. Scott's like, well, you know, I go fetch the water and I push tie up the tree. It's sitting like, I could climb a damn tree. You know, so I think at that point it's very clear. Nobody really wants to work with them. So there's no point in doing like a schoolyard pick because it's probably going to land just like this, right? It's going to be those two and then tie and then a fourth person, whoever that is.

Yeah. So we give them this opportunity. The three guys are going to stick together. The problem is that Joe sits out immediately, but there are still. five women. One of the women has to go join Jason and Scott and Ty to be on their team. And so it's ultimately going to be Julia who ends up flipping over. And I have now, I feel like I've heard this both ways in terms of this is a little bit of like a two versions of the Julia's story where there's the version that's kind of presented in the episode. And then there's the version that

Debbie is really sticking to. And the version that Debbie is going to tell me about in the exit interview, where Debbie said that Julia goes to go and work with the guys, she was going to sabotage them. And she said it took 10 minutes. They deliberated forever. Somebody had to go over there. Debbie says in the episode, it was brave that Julia went over and did that. Nobody else wanted to do it.

She jumped on the grenade, and she was going to sabotage them. And that's why she went there. there's so much contradictory evidence though about this Julia read from Debbie right because Debbie's saying that makes total sense right like if you're Debbie and you trust Julia and Julia is going over there she should be sabotaging them right what is the worst that can happen for Julia sure they're mad at her but they were she y'allopin put out the fire we can't you know like they can't get madder at Julia than for what they've been doing to her right so she could go over there just sit down on the ground you know or something like that what they're going to

I mean they could just pick her up I guess her trust her trust her me. Why not? It's right there. You're like, come on y'all. We've got to review the tape. But yeah, sit down on the ground. Let these girls win. Joe gets to go on the thing. Julia misses out on Chinese takeout. But that I think ingratiates herself even more with Sydney, with Aubrey. You know, honestly, with Debbie, you know, like those people are going to be like, yeah, Julia's a team player. What ends up happening here is that Julia goes with the guys and they end up winning and it looks like Julia hopped over to find, you know, greener pastures with some people that she can beat. The problem with Debbie's story is that Julia is telling us I hopped over to find greener pastures with people I can beat. Debbie is telling us that Julia is lying about the thing that we saw Julia do. It's so wild because you're right.

all of the evidence that we see in the episode, including Julia's confessionals and everything we see Julia do. And this was days after the episode that I talked to Debbie because I did the live show and then I flew home. I feel like it was like a Monday or a Tuesday where I finally got to talk to Debbie after the episode. So it's like that stuff is out there. But she sticks to this story that Julia was working with the women. It was a mistake to get rid of Julia. She wasn't actually working with the guys. It's wild this relationship that Debbie, this affinity that Debbie has for Julia, they were not on the same starting tribe.

They did not play together at the swap. And somewhere along the way, Debbie just falls like madly in love with Julia as a person. We've heard Debbie talk about her daughter and what her daughter thinks. And I just have to wonder if Debbie is just sort of looking at Julia. and seeing her kid. Oh, Rob, yeah, I read this completely different. I think Debbie is really infatuated with being correct. And I think that Julia being anything but what Debbie perceived her as makes Debbie wrong in this moment.

Debbie goes out here and she wants to be like, but I was right. She was with us. This was the right move. She don't care about Julia at all. It's so crazy for her to do this because like you said, they don't have that much of a relationship. and then everything we see on TV is contradictory to what she's saying. I have no reason to believe Julia is going to flip. Cut to Julia walking over and being like, okay, so here's where they're going to vote.

They're voting three for you and three for you. Why, if Julia is working with you so closely, why would she go and tell the guys who potentially have an idol? Ty's been talking about a super idol. They think that Aubrey might have one. So if Ty knows about this, then somebody else has one. why would Julia then go and relay that information to the side with the idol if she is this trustworthy, Debbie? So to me, this is just Debbie trying to like, you know, squint and make it all make sense because it really doesn't. It makes no sense for her to believe these things, especially when everybody else is telling her like, hey, Debbie, we can't trust this woman.

And even with that, Debbie's so hell bent on voting out Scott and Jason. I really think that's probably where all of this is coming from, right? Like, yeah, I don't care what Julia is doing. Y'all been throwing the fire, you know, putting out the fire and, you know, hiding the tools and all the kind of stuff. She will do whatever it takes to believe that Julia is right so that she can blame this on Scott and Jason. Summer routines live or die by how easy they are. And honestly, if something takes too much effort, I'm out. That's why Grooons is my go-to.

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where that Debbie is really offended about what Scott and Jason did. Debbie has been very much for the girls throughout the whole season. She's talked about that way. We've seen her with Sidney and talking about with Michelle. She really wants a woman to win. She doesn't like some of these guys who are arrogant, whether it's Nick, whether it's Jason, whether it's Scott. She or is Peter. She hasn't really liked that from the guys this season.

But Aubrey is seeing this pretty clearly of like, hey, the guys have idols. They have a super idol potentially. and that maybe we can't hit them, but we could hit Julia. And we could take out Julia, and that could be the move. Yeah. And then maybe the guys will be nervous

and they'll flush the idols. You know, like this sounds like a good plan. She's getting buy-in from Sydney and other people, but Debbie is just putting her foot down. She's like, nope, not doing it. Sorry, I'm correct. You're wrong. And, you know, I want to be, get it right.

It's actually, I think we see Sydney say it first, in the episode. I think that Sidney says that when Julia comes back from eating the Chinese food reward, that she's instantly, so guys, what's the plan? And Sydney is again, just like when she saw Nick walk up to Julia in the last episode, she says that's BS. And she wants Julia out. And she goes to Aubrey and Aubrey very much likes that plan. Yeah, Aubrey's good with this. Now, Aubrey has multiple reasons to want Julia out. Obviously, if she believes what Sydney is saying, that Julia's playing both sides and is flipping over and potentially giving away the plan here, that's not great. So she should be agreeing with Sydney here. But also, Aubrey did write Julia's name down. And so if you're like,

if someone's, like, you can lose them inconsequentially like, well, I guess it just has to be Julia, then that's better for Aubrey because Julia could be still having an ax to grind for that crossout vote that Aubrey did very publicly a couple rounds ago. So the episode sets this up so beautifully of, okay, Julia's in trouble. She's going to get voted out. That's the plan. Aubrey and Sydney came up with. And that's that. You play the middle.

And Aubrey says she hopes that she's the one that gets run over by the car. And here we go. And we have this challenge. We really don't do this challenge anymore. I feel like that we first did it maybe back in Gabon. I remember Kenny ends up winning this challenge.

Oh, wow. This was really one of my favorite challenge like it's the person who we are told is in trouble and then it's really dramatically done the way that you and if you didn't watch the episode you have to stack your dominoes all in a line and then also get through the minefield like a jaco canne type situation where you have to step through the maze to be able to trip wire to not knock over your thing that is carrying all of your giant dominoes? Yeah, it's a fun challenge to watch, especially with the gravity of the situation.

We know that if Julia loses this, she's probably going home, which brings me to question, Julia, why are you flipping to the bottom of a four-person alliance in a tribe of nine people? Like, she has to win here based on her actions because she did this, right? Because of the way she's acting where she's playing both sides, she chose to do this when she was, to me, she's the most vulnerable that she's been. Why would it? I don't know. I just very curious about why would she do this because had she not won this challenge, she goes home. But she would have been fine otherwise. So I think that they're probably telling her about the idol. And although in the last episode she makes a big face that she doesn't know about the idol,

but maybe they told it to her over Chinese food where they go in the reward with her. And they're like, hey, here's what we're going to do. And maybe they're even like coaching her up. Like, hey, go find out what the plan is. Find out what they're doing. Then tell us we're going to use the idol. And she's like, I'll beat these guys in the end. I'm probably not going to beat Aubrey and Sydney and Debbie and the people that,

that are on the other side, but I think she feels like, if I go to the end with Scott and Jason, I feel pretty good. I could be like the Natalie White here. So did she think that maybe they were going to play the idol on her? Because if not,

she's going home in this episode if she doesn't win immunity. I don't think she's thought that she is her, that she's on their radar. Like I don't think that she's thinking about it that way. Yeah.

To me, it just looks like she's putting herself on people's radar and then like in a vulnerable position where she doesn't even have the numbers, right? Like if it was the other way around and she was flipping to the five, I'd be like, oh, okay, cool, whatever. You know, she got the numbers backing her.

Yeah. But she's flipping, she's flipping to these three guys. Like, they don't have any loyalty to you. I think if they go to Jason and Scott and say, you want to vote out Julia, I think they might even do it. Maybe, you know, I was going to say that she's like Will Wall. Will Wall hasn't played yet. She's the proto Will Wall.

And they're both 12 years old. And I think that's really probably what this is coming from, right? It's just a little bit more like, I won't say game body, but you can tell their fans of the show. They like the strategy and they like to make moves. They like to move around a little bit. She got a little squirly, I think. I think you probably could have waited a little bit longer to flip to try to get numbers on your hands.

Because this, I mean, what, these other six people, it's Debbie, Joe, and Aubrey on one side. And then Sidney, Michelle, and Julia are the other three. Like, it's not like you're down in the numbers by any means. Debbie Joe and Aubrey aren't going to go work with Scott and Jason. Just bringing Scott and Jason if you just feel that uncomfortable with where you, you know, where you are in the pecking ward. I don't know.

It just felt like a weird time to be making some, like, making these moves happen. Yeah, well, she ends up very dramatically winning this challenge. There's a couple of really great moments in the challenge where Michelle knocks her dominoes over, and then you're just sort of like watching, following it along, it doesn't go all the way through. Debbie, she tries hers. It doesn't go through.

Kyle Jason, he tries his. It doesn't work out. And then they freaking nail the shot so good on Julia that they, they, they, you know, have, I'm trying to remember which piece of equipment this is the Dolly. Not Dolly Neely, that they have the Dolly shot of when Julia hits her domino, the camera tracks across the screen so good. And they just freaking nail it. It was perfect.

It is like, you watch every single domino fall. Because you're kind of watching Julie. She is in front at this point. The closest person to her at this point is Michelle trying to catch up with her, but they know all eyes are on her. If she gets this game over, and so, yeah, they just happened to be right there when it happened, and it was perfect. Like, this is probably the high point of her entire, you know, survivor career, right?

It's this moment, despite her putting herself in a very precarious position that I would call it. This moment kind of makes it all worthwhile. And it's the best on Survivor. The person that you know is in trouble, wins immunity. As long as it's not somebody you hate. Yeah, I mean, we saw that in your season, like six times with Jenna Maraska. We're going to see that with Michelle. She's going to reheat those nachos this season as well.

Yeah, not that we hate her, but, you know, these people who are like dead to rights if they don't win immunity. It's fun to watch until it's not. You know, there are definitely some times where you're like, okay, once, cool, twice, maybe. But then when you start thinking, all right, the whole game is going to be this person just winning immunity. You know, we're not too far removed from Mike Holloway at this point. it kind of loses its luster after a while. So Julia ends up coming back with immunity, and she's feeling really good.

Actually, before we got to the Immunity Challenge, there was some other things that we didn't talk about. You've been talking about this was coming for a while of, okay, Scott and Jason put out the fire. We see a shot of Ty all alone on night 23. and he realizes the guys are sleeping. It's up to me. I got to do it.

I have to be the bad guy. Yeah, but he does it in a covert way. So Ty's the bad guy, but he also, like, he doesn't do it publicly the way that Scott does. When Scott pours out the fire, he does it while they're sitting there. They're close enough to touch the water that he's pouring on the fire. Ty waits into the middle of the night,

kind of creeps out of bed with his robe on, think the surveys the, okay, I guess I have to be the one. pours it out. Then the next morning he wakes up, wipes the crust out his eyes. Are there no more emberts left? Like, Ty, you bastard. Yeah.

Well, it's the water pouring out on the fire. Like, Scott did it because he was mad. Ty did it because, like, I guess that's what we do now. I guess that's my initiation. I have to pour water on the fire when nobody's around. So it's this idea that this grown-ass man has fallen in with the wrong crowd. You know, like that's the, the narrative that's kind of being spun.

Is it like, you know, like, Ty's a good guy. But the people he surrounds himself are, really he's going to be bad influences on him. He went to the dark side. He did. But he's not enjoying it. You know, like, you want the people to go to the dark side to really just like revel in that moment, to bathe in the blood. But this is Ty being like, hey, guys, do we have to hide the machete? And they're like, yes.

And he's like, okay, but like, what if we just like try to talk it out? No, no, we're not doing that. He said, all right, well, what if we don't pour the fire out? No, we're going to do it. He's like, damn, all right, cool. And now he's thinking, well, these are my new friends, and they pour out fire. I got to pour out fire. He's like, Ty, if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump off the cliff?

He's like, if it was falling, if it was falling, I'd do it. And so he did it. He did it. So we're talking about that Aubrey is thinking that she wants to take out. Julia Deppie's like, no, no, no, it has to be the guys. Well, now Julia has won immunity. And so what are they going to do? Debbie tells Julia the plan right away.

Debbie, Deborah, ma'am, I just feel like if everyone is telling you we don't trust this person, regardless of how much you trust that person, maybe don't tell them stuff in front of everybody else. If you wanted to tell Julia the plan, but right before tribal council while people are gathering their things, hey, Julia, just so you know, because I love you, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. This is what we're doing. No, Debbie doesn't care about what everybody else wants in this moment. So although they have expressed their concerns, Debbie's like, and I'm still going to tell her because I want to. And so she does.

She's like, Julia, here's where the votes are going. We're going to split it on tie. We're going to split it on Scott because there is no way that all three of them have an idol. Jason's going to think it's him. We'll flush it. They'll go home. We have the votes. Easy peasy. Julia says, okay. And she walks right over the sky. Like, okay, so you want to know who they're voting for?

I'm like, Debbie, come on, man. Come on. Meanwhile, Debbie's in their ex-impress. Like, I don't know. I just feel like the evidence supports that she was working with us. Yeah. So I guess that's part of the thing where they're going to do the three, three votes that they think they want to split the votes because they have the idols.

And so maybe that's where Julie. is feeling like, okay, well, if they try to split 3-3, if I flip and I go over to Jason and Scott and Ty, then we'll have four. We'll have four. They're going to vote out Sydney here. But then at that point, what is it, a 4-4 tie at that point? Like, you know, we're going to 8 at that point, right? She's not really setting herself up in a better position as far as I'm concerned. This flip takes out Sydney, but it still leaves you at the bottom of this boy. Boys Alliance. You know, like, none of them are, you think they're sitting there thinking like, like, okay,

and now we'll sit next to Julia at the end. Probably not. Probably not. So, I don't know. It just felt like a weird spot to be making a move like this. Yeah. To me. So I just want to talk through the 3-33, because Debbie was still trying to sell me on the 3-33 when we were

doing the exit interview. So three votes on, what was it? Scott, three votes on Ty, or was it three votes on Jason? Three votes on Scott, three votes on Ty. Okay. No votes on Jason. And then whoever the three votes. guys vote for, they were going to vote for Sydney.

And so then what happens if ultimately, then the super idol ultimately ends up getting used. I'm trying to just think of how that would play out. So does you have to play the super idol after, it's almost like if the super idol gets played, do you kind of want people to flip to the other person and then you play the idol after the re-vote? I thought, can you play it after a re-vote, though? Like, I think at the re-vote, I don't know if you can still play an idol. I think, well, you play, that's why it's a super idol. So.

Oh, my God. I've never actually thought about that. Have we, we've never seen that before? We've never seen it actually played. So, yeah. I'm just trying to talk this through. So, all right, it's three votes. Three votes, Scott, three votes tie.

Three votes for Sydney. Okay, now we have a re-vote. And then on the re-vote, we vote out. No, now we play the idol. See, I think that, well, so one of them plays the idol beforehand. No. I thought when the votes, right, when, after the votes are red, you can play the idol, right? So I think after they read those votes, I think Jeff's like, play the idol.

They play the idol at that point. It nullifies one of those, you know, people from the contention. That's how I thought it would go. So I think that, I don't think that you can play the super idol after, like, you play the super idol after somebody gets voted out. So, so I think it would, it would end up going like, so, all right, so we, Scott, nobody plays any idols before. the vote. Right. And then, okay, three votes, Scott, three votes tie. Now, okay, everybody flips their vote. Okay, Scott, the tribe is spoken and he's like, aha, but I have the super idol, ding, and then we play two idols in that spot. And now Scott's not voted out. And then

what happens? Do we go back to who had the second most votes? I think so. And the second most votes at that point would be Sydney, right? Because everybody, you're assuming everybody just piled on Scott. I guess. I really, that this thing has been in four different seasons and we really don't know how it works. They should stop doing it.

I think they did. I don't mind the, like we talked about this a couple of episodes ago, but I don't mind the idea that the more you have, the more powerful your idol is, right? So if it becomes a super idol because you have two of them, fine. But now I'm like kind of conflicted because I never thought about like in a tie situation

that you would not a tie vote situation. I didn't think that you could play the Super Idol after the Thai vote situation was over, right? I always looked at it as like that first group of votes is where you play it. Like you said, there's no precedent for this, so who knows what they were thinking. And the other thing that's confusing, and we see this in the episode

where that Jason passes his half of the idol to tie, and then Ty has both of them, if you get voted out, and they say, okay, Chappelle, that's enough, the tribe's spoken, Can I play my, like, I've got the two idols.

Save Chappelle. Like, can I do that? Do you have to have half of the idol in your hand? Or you have to have your idol and say, no, no, no, here, take my half. And now is like, now I have the super idol and now I'm safe. I don't think so. I think they have to be in the same spot. Because there has to be a reason why Scott and Jason do this whole rigumole at tribal council.

It's like, all right, Jeff, I'm taking my idol. I'm handing it to tie. Ty's like, and I am reaching over and accepting said idol and placing that idol in my possession. And then everybody's like, crickets, crickets. And then he just, and now I'm going to sit down and he sits down. So at that point, if Scott or Jason gets voted out, I think, Ty can still be like, all right, I want them to be safe. But I don't know if, like you said, if it's in two parts, right? If Scott has his and, you know, Ty has his, can they just be like, no, save Jason?

I don't really know if that's the thing. Was there a play that they thought that maybe the votes were for Ty? That's actually crazy. Like, I just, what? That's wild. I don't know why they would think that. Again, Julia has told them what the split was. Yeah.

Julia does vote for Debbie, though. Yeah, Julia has no issue with Debbie going home. Yeah, she doesn't vote with the guys. She doesn't vote for Sydney. She, you know, she does, at the end of the day, she does go with the women. not the way Debbie wants them to. Yeah. Exactly.

I mean, Debbie was right on some counts. She was not part of Scott and Jason and Ty. She did not vote for Scott, Jason, and Thai, though. And that is what Debbie was saying. Debbie was saying, Julia is going to vote for those two men. I am going to vote for those two men. Joe and I are going to vote. It's going to be me, Julia and Joe at the very least.

She was counting on Julia. betrayed this woman as she spent the entire episode caping for her. Super saver, Julia. Aubrey and Sydney starts to come together here. They find common ground in Debbie is too much. We need to move on from Debbie. I really like the way they talk to each other. I think that's the part of Aubrey that you don't really see in the first episode.

She's like neurotic and having her panic attack and all those stuff. She wants to quit. She's sad, blah, blah. But once Aubrey kind of gets momentum, them. She's like, Sydney, we got to get Debbie to F out of here. And Sydney's like, yeah, I'm not effing with the way this. Like, they talk so like, like, like two cops. But the way it's handled to me is like, Sydney and Michelle are a thing now. Aubrey and Joe are still a thing. And so they're like the heads of their like two factions.

They come over. All right. Look, we had a plan. What's good for you? Okay, that's good for you. This is good for me. This is good for me. This is good for me. Bet. All right, bet. Ready, break. I'll go tell them. They go to tell them. they go tell me you will come back together. And I love this alliance. It's going to go all the way to the end. But it's very clear that, again, Sydney, it feels like her allegiance is to Michelle at this very point, and Aubrey still has Joe.

And that's why she doesn't have a real issue getting rid of Debbie, is because it's not like she's getting rid of all her numbers. She's getting rid of somebody who is immovable and not willing to play the game that she wants to play. But she's keeping around Joe, who despite being left out of this vote, will come back to Aubrey. Where else is he going? He literally can't go with those guys

And he literally can't go And that's why he has to leave the game also You know, that is Joe's downside Toll ball, you know He literally can't go He can't go He can't go He cannot, he literally cannot

He cannot go I can't Yeah So this is fun They bring in Michelle Michelle can't believe it That's come to this They're going to turn on Debbie

Which is good too Because you know Would Michelle be in on voting out Julia? We don't really know. But Michelle definitely like, whatever. Debbie can go. I don't care. You know, it's fine.

Yeah. And so they asked, uh, Julia, like, are you with us for real? Be for real. And she's like, yeah, duh, come on. This is stupid. Yeah, of course.

What are you talking? I'm not going to work with those guys that I just had Chinese food and told the plan to. What would I look like? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, uh, Julia's doing a pretty good job. Michelle is like, hey, Julia's good.

Michelle vouches for Julia. This is just, so it's just a weird thing, right? Like, her and Julia have been together from the very beginning. So, of course, Michelle would believe it. But it's the Debbie, you know, just inability to see anybody else's point of view that's really going to get Debbie voted out right here.

And then we talked about this tribal council. It's a good one. We got kind of like a borderline live tribal council going on where we've got everything going on with the idols and the guys are talking about what they're going to do with the idols, they're standing up, they're going to play rock, paper, scissors.

We're just going to roll Shambot. And, you know, I was like, don't leave Shambow out of this. Yeah, Shambow. She didn't ask for this. Yeah. Now, I don't know about how I feel about this tribal council because, yes, it is entertaining.

We know there's some stuff going on, but also these guys are just really, like, sucking the oxygen out of the room. Yeah. It's like, if, like, if you were, were rooting for them, you might actually enjoy this, right? But because they are very much the villains, it's just like the longest eye roll in the world, right? For one, Jeff calls out Ty about the super idol thing, like, hey, Ty are idols a thing? And Ty's like, if there exists, and Scott's like,

well, Ty, I guess I'll tell your secret right now. Ty has an idol. It's like, Scott, it ain't even your idol to talk about. And then he's like, uh, Jason stands up with the, but wait, there's more. You know, the idol's got a brother. I was like, oh, God, I probably would have walked out. I probably don't know it to the fire. Safety without power. Just leave, bro, just vote me. Hey, pick me, vote me out.

And they did the thing where, you know, the more sort of like pomp and circumstance that's happening at a tribal council around the idol, the less likely the idol is going to get played. Uh-huh. Especially with Tye's whole, like, I'm taking the idol and I'm going to sit down now. And I'm not playing it. It's like, I don't know what the rules were, what production did, but this wasn't smooth at all. I think they kind of figure this out later on with some of the more ridiculous advantages that we get after this season,

where it didn't feel like it was so choppy. This really felt like the rules said, like, you must state that you're handing this off to someone else for their possession. You know, I think there's even a moment where Ty's takes out his idol where Aubrey's like, can I see it and he gives it to her. But that's not the same as Ty being like, and now this is yours to keep. And you can keep it in your pocket and hold it. it if you don't want to play it you know so i don't know it was it it just didn't have any finesse yeah yeah it's a messy vote here with the four votes for debby three votes for sidney and then the two votes for scott yeah um but uh debby goes here and like i said i i think this is the

definitely the correct plan for julia at this point like i've been critical of her flipping to this other side but yeah going and voting out debby it's like whatever um they she know they know i'll know where the idol is. They won't, nobody's going to be mad at her for this happening. Like, what is Scott and Jason going to say like, hey, you voted out the wrong girl. She's like, okay, but she's a girl and she's gone. So what do you

care? And then the women, she voted with them. So they're still like, all right, you know, she has kind of like plausible deniability. Like, what are you talking about? I wasn't going to flip. I don't know what you're talking about. Debbie, Debbie's crazy. Y'all are all crazy. So, yeah, it works out. Interesting vote. And another

one in Corong. Oh, Rob, did you notice the Neal with the dirty hairy ice cream shirt on? Yes, yes. So this is predating Australian Survivor. Is it the same shirt that Dirty Harry wears? I don't think it's identical because I think Neal's was black and white, but Dirty Harry, I don't know if you know this about me. I'm a big Dirty Harry guy.

I'm not a big Neil guy. So I was really hoping the Dirty Harry hit it first. He did not. No, because I think that Australian Survivor, I think that 2016 was the first year of Australian Survivor. Was he paying homage to Neil when he wore the ice cream shirt? Yeah. Is he a twin?

My survivor fame? Huh? Is Harry a twin? Oh, no. I hope not. Maybe I think Harry works in ice cream as well. Yes, yes, he definitely does. Yeah, popular occupation for survivor players.

For sure. Yeah, Eric Reichenback had the ice cream with ice cream scooper. So that's at least three. At least three. That's enough. It's a pattern. Yeah, that's enough. Okay, so I listened to the exit interview with Debbie, and Debbie, you know, of course,

talking about how she was not firing on all cylinders, she didn't have glucose in her brain. Maybe the most interesting thing was that I asked Debbie, will you play Survivor again? She said, no, no, I will not. She said that she did not swear, but she, for all intents purposes, said she is retired from Survivor. Debbie lied? She lied. I don't know if she If at that point

She must have known Yeah, it's April She is gonna go I feel like they They start filming Game Changers in two months She definitely knows Wait, so while this was filming

They already knew They were going going on game changes I never thought I never did that Because I think they go and they They film it right after this ends So like

For you brought up like that Run it Up Reno know, they leave to go to I feel like Anna Kate was telling me about how like Ty and Caleb were going on Survivor game changers. Oh my God. I never even occurred to me that they knew at this point, because if I'm Aubrey,

you know, the Aubrey and Michelle kind of battle that's happening amongst the fans, like, I don't really care. I'm about to go play Survivor again. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got round two of this thing happening. But yeah, it never even occurred to me that it I've been so closed in succession. Yeah, I think they probably are filming Co-Rong by, or Game Changers by June of 2016.

And Co-Rong is aired, this is April, so it'll be over in May. So, yeah, they leave right after the finale, basically. Yeah, I mean, that's typically how they end up doing the even-numbered season is that they leave right after the spring finale. Oh, look at Debbie, just a liar. But, again, not shocked. Not you talk about that. I tell everyone, this is the coach archetype.

Whatever she says, believe the opposite. Believe the opposite. So it was a fun night at the Survivor No-It-alls, and it was the first live show back for Stephen after he was away during Survivor's Second Chance, and we were back at Carolines on Broadway, and so lots of fun stuff to go over. But a fun panel, lots of Survivors in the audience.

that you had, Jeremy was there, and he was there along with Natalie. And there was interesting things, like we're talking about Tony. And they're both going to go have interesting experiences with Tony. Both of them are very high on Kyle Jason also. But I totally could see Natalie Anderson hanging out with Kyle Jason. Like that's her kind of guy. Right, right. No, that makes sense for her.

All the people you just named, though, go off to go play the traitors at some point. You know, so it's funny that you had, you basically had the live show as like the casting pool for the traders in the future. Nobody knew. Was Stephen still high on Molly and Perkissette? No, he's not high. He's had his crutch, but he was not high on Perkissette. Ethan Zon was there also. He was high.

Never mind. Yep. And then also we had Josh Canfield was there. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's okay. Nice little group.

Eliza was there. Eliza was not high on Kyle Jason. She was really, she was really down on Kyle Jason. Sometimes Eliza gets it right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sometimes. Billy Garcia was even on the stage.

A, BG. That's pretty cool. I wonder what he had to say about this episode. My favorite part of the whole thing was that Billy Garcia, because I noticed that, like, Billy Garcia, like, made a real face about the super idol. and apparently he did not like the super idol and I had said to him like

oh is that was that a big issue for you that was the one thing that stopped you in Cook Islands was that you will have the super idol that was a big problem for you Billy I'm surprised he didn't power bomb you off the stage listen he has a good sense of humor that is a that's a cruel joke he would have had it too if it wasn't for that

If it wasn't for Eul having the Super Idol, he would have had it. He would have had it. He would have had it. Yeah. Yeah, fun stuff. And the crowd was really excited. I remember when they had the immunity challenge. It was a good one to watch in front of the live audience.

I remember this day that I did this, Chappelle. It's something that is something that haunts me to this day. I cracked my thumbnail that day, the day of this live show. it is still, it is, I keep waiting for it to grow back normally. And it just, there's like a, like, I have like a little, like tiny split in my thumbnail. Like an indention? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what adention is, but basically it's just like a little, like, crack in the top of my thumbnail. And it happened this day.

And I just like, eventually it'll grow and it'll fix. but it always, before it grows and heals, it cracks in some other way. I've seen people who's like nails fall off. You know, they like slam it in a door or something like that and then it turns all black and purple or whatever. Yeah, it doesn't look anything. It's just like it's a little bit,

there's just like a little tiny crack in my thumbnail. That happened on this day, April 13, 2016. Well, at least it's tied to a good memory. Yeah. haunts me. This might be the first downside of Survivor Co. Wrong. I mean, another medical emergency. It's appropriate to that I suffered,

I too suffered an injury during this. I needed Dr. Peter to come look at it. You were harmed. Where's Dr. F. I have harm. Where's Dr. Ruper? Yeah, where's Dr. Rupert? Yeah, I'm sure somebody could fix your nail, but it's probably not bothering you.

It's a character builder now, right? Like, that's what it is. Stephen was really down on this move also. He was like, this was a horrible move. What were they thinking? A horrible move for who, though? For Aubrey and Sydney, and he really did. He was very down on it.

I think we begrudgingly got him to give the fishy to Aubrey in this episode. I just don't, I can't see a world where this is a horrible for Sydney, considering the guys were about to vote for her. She's essentially about to get three votes. I wouldn't leave it up to a chance that I would get a fourth one or, you know, or fifth one for that matter. So, you know, I couldn't be me. But what do I know?

I ain't play Survivor. Yeah, he was very fickle. Last week, he said that Sydney made a great move flipping on the guys. And I'm like, I feel like she was in a good spot. And then he was very much like, this is a horrible position now. I think people are actually looking at this as a girls versus guys alliance type structure. Because otherwise, I don't understand why anybody couldn't understand what happened last week as far as like with Sydney.

I think that's definitely too early. But because it's not guys versus girls. You still have Joe. The numbers are not split evenly. You know what I'm saying? Like there's not like. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, if you're looking at it like this is guys versus girls and you're not counting that Joe is all is

never going to vote with those guys, then yeah, I think you could like quibble with some of the stuff. But I just, I don't know. I think this was fine. I think that they did what they needed to do to survive this vote. I don't think they should have been in this position. and they wouldn't have been had they waited just one more week. They could have voted out Joe last week and then voted out Nick here, and they'd be fine.

Listen to this. A secret scene from this episode is called Kill the Chicken. This secret scene takes place immediately after they return from the reward challenge. The losers and Julia contemplate killing and eating Mark the chicken to spite the men, especially Thai. Debbie describes in the confessional the graphic detail. of how she would like to devour Mark. Meanwhile, Ty over hears the tribe talking about eating Mark and worriedly calls out for it.

They were going to murder Mark the chicken over this. Is, oh, let me just be my, let me shut my ass up. Were you going to ask, is eating a chicken murder? Is that? I was not going to ask that question. But I was going to ask, is this fair play in the sense that they've been pouring out

the fire, blah, blah, blah. Like, if we're doing psychological warfare, is eating the chicken a bridge too far? Tid for Tad. I mean, yeah, that they would, like, many people would just eat the chicken.

It happens to be Tye's pet. Would that be going too far? Yeah, that's the question. I think so. I think so. They had marked the chicken at the Chinese takeout reward, And I was like, you can't have him that close to orange chicken and not, like, this is, that's actually disrespectful.

I think that's more disrespectful. Just if I'm marked, just eat me instead. You know, like, why, like, why you got me watching my brethren get ate up like this? I don't know. I think it's too far because Thai, the intention behind it is bad, right? Like, if we're starving, hey, Ty, it is what it is. The chicken was put here for, for this purpose. But if we're not starving and we're just doing this to spite, Ty, to harm him for something that he's connected to like this,

then I think that that's a little, that's a bridge too far. Yep. This is the 450th episode of Survivor. Okay. You were the 100th person voted out. Yes. Right? In all stars.

Yeah, yes. Last week's episode was the 100th, no-it-alls? Yes. I believe you had hit the 100th, Seinfeld episode with Akiva. Yes, that was coming up. And 450 episodes of Survivor. Okay, I'll take it.

Okay. All right. So, yeah, the 100th episode of the Seinfeld podcast, I got into a big fight with Akiva because I called him a nerd and he got very offended about that. Because Akiva is not a nerd. He's not a nerd. Yeah, he was very, really, he got really upset about that branding. He's not a nerd.

He is a jock. He's cool. like sports. He's not a nerd. He likes sports. He's not a nerd. You can't be a nerd if you like sports. That was his argument. If you like sports. That's, it's just true. It's just, I mean, Rob, why are you being so disrespectful to my friend and yours?

He's the winningest basketball fan in all of human history. Right. Which means he is not a nerd. Yeah. Okay. Don't get a twist. Okay. Don't put him in the locker. Kyle Jason, he's not a nerd. Do you remember the show Stumped the Schwab? Yes.

That guy knew everything about sports. Yeah. And he was definitely not a nerd. Not a nerd. If you know everything about sports, you're not a nerd. Yeah. The Schwab, not a nerd. Yep.

All right. Chappelle, what's coming up for you? Nerdy shit. Yeah. I'm talking. On Recap Kickback, we're now talking about House of the Dragon, which is pretty nerdy. Not my normal cup of tea, but the people wanted coverage of it.

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