RHAP: We Know Survivor - Kelley Wentworth Talks Greys Anatomy | TV for Real

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

In this episode, Mike and Sasha speak with Survivor legend, Kelley Wentworth (@kelleywentworth) about the long-running medical drama, Grey's Anatomy.

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So it's just what a way to come back into podcasting, I must say. Absolutely. Because we have a powerhouse guest talking about a powerhouse show. Look, the fall TV season is upon us. And one of the constants that we've experienced, much like Survivor, is Grey's Anatomy, which is coming back for season 21. And we're so excited to bring this person on. And out now, Survivor legend Kelly Wentworth. Welcome to TV for Real. Hey, I'm so excited.

I love Grey's Anatomy, so this is going to be great. I can't wait. Oh my gosh, I have so many thoughts. So it's just, but we'll get through it all. Thank you for picking this show because i feel like i've had such a journey with this show so i can't i can't wait to hear all about this so so how yeah i think should we start with gray's anatomy mike listen let's let's cut to the chase cut like a surgeon would if that has reference is not

abundantly clear um i i've seen two episodes of craze anatomy amongst the i don't know i'm going to assume a thousand is this like the one piece of scripted tv where it's just been around forever it's been around a long time i need to know though why you've seen two episodes because usually you would have not seen any or you would be totally into a show so how did tell us yeah so a while back i did a podcast uh where we watched as many post super bowl episodes of tv as possible just to be like oh what was going on so the only episodes i've seen of gray's anatomy were the two-part episode with the bomb with Kyle Chandler as the bomb guy. Okay.

Those were intense episodes. If those were the two episodes you watched, that's yeah, that's a lot. And I thought like, okay, well, surely the show peaked at its extremity there.

But then I've, I've found out a lot of things that have happened through osmosis and it really does seem like that is fairly mild in comparison to what's happened over the course of 20 years yeah at the time i think that seemed very extreme but then we had a lot of things happen since then they've gotten rid of a lot of key characters which we can talk about and um in my opinion i'm gonna be 100% honest I will admit I actually have not watched the last couple of seasons because so many of my beautiful friends have either been killed off or just removed from the show so I'm like you know Grey's Anatomy when

I was growing up it's just not the same anymore but I do need to go back and get into it so okay so that's all I'm gonna say for now oh okay okay you and me same brain because that's exactly where I am with Grey's Anatomy where I keep telling people free yourself because I've been in the trenches if you know like first day first show I was watching. And I've talked about, I feel like Grey's Anatomy specifically, which is why I feel so excited to talk about it. Like actually where this was the show when I moved to America, I lived with my aunt and we, it's six women. So four like cousins and our moms were all watching. We used to watch shows together, Deswives scandal yeah exactly oh no okay you're an abc household okay hold on now

exactly exactly okay okay okay so we're like soul sisters anatomy yeah so this was like the show and to me it'll always take me back to this like young immigrant kid why are we watching this with our moms don't ask me but it's fine it is what it is and that's why this show was always such a like deep deep like

place in my heart and then they started killing off my characters and then I said I got to go because y'all are pissing me off and I don't want to hate the show you see what I'm saying so I had to end the toxic relationship because they were playing with me too much so I don't I have to hear Kelly yeah like you're you're a journey you would graze I don't even remember I know I watched from the beginning but I can't really remember why I started watching. I think just a

lot of people were talking about it because I'm a little bit older and there was a show when I was young called ER. Oh yeah. George Clooney. And now that that's what my mama was watching. I was watching ER. And so I think I just kind of grew up watching that type of show. So when Grey's Anatomy came out, everyone was talking about it. So the show was based in Seattle. Seattle I lived in Seattle so I feel like that was a part of it and just you know because you could see the space beetle and the ferry and now listen I'm gonna tell y'all I actually live on an island now that you have to take a ferry to so every time I get on I am I am hearing I am hearing you know McDreamy in my head talking about the ferry boats before that one horrible episode happened.

That's what I was like. But yeah, I just, I just, I just, I love it. I love it. I think the show is so fun because just it has so many, so many layers. It's not just about the surgeries and this kind of ridiculous cases, but it's all about the characters and their relationships. And you just start to really connect with these people. And that's when they start killing them off i'm like what are you doing first george night like

you can't do this to me this is like family so that's my grace anatomy journey yeah wow i mean all right and mike you're probably just sitting here like i don't know okay so so i this is along the way i'm gonna fill you in as to what i know and then you can give me stuff and i'll respond this is a spoiler phil podcast so george is a character played by tr knight yes and he went into the army and he died or am i mixing him up with another character no he didn't go to the army um he's a devil you want us to tell you yeah yeah yeah he was hit by a bus he was hit by a bus and he came in like regina george well it did yeah it didn't end well so he he was hit by a bus well mind you we need to go back on george so george's yes this is very um like as a character he almost wasn't taken seriously as a doctor by his family by other people like because just

because he was kind of like so nice and like he just maybe didn't have that um cutthroat type mentality and but he was a character that everyone loved like he was just amazing and so i can't remember sasha did he did he he was hit by a bus saving someone or you usually answer and everyone hold on because you but i don't know if he was like just like walking i think he was trying to save someone and he came in and we came to the hospital other people save so that's why i don't yeah oh my god george o'malley death oh why is that the second thing people search right after george o'mlly life i assume literally oh my gosh but yes our dear 007 and the the way we find out that it's george y'all by the way yes yes oh it's painful

so obviously it's like face is really messed up we don't know who it is blah blah meredith the main character yeah gray's anatomy right yeah comes in and he literally writes 007 on her hand like zero you know he with his hand right 007 and that's how she realizes it's george was that like because that was like a nickname or something yeah sorry yeah i forgot that i would have got there yeah yeah. Oh my god, yes. So yes, he does join the army. Okay, he does join the army. I remembered something about him joining the army.

Oh, he did? I forget. Really? It's because of Owen. I don't think that was part of the show, though. Was that before he was... He abruptly and inexplicably decides to join the U.S. in iraq while his friends at the hospital prepare an intervention to convince o'malley to stay they all work on a severely i don't remember this um brought in after a horrible bus accident in which he pushed a woman

out of the way and saved her life okay well at he died doing what he loved. He doesn't end up going to the army. Okay. I think that's his exit. Tinfoil hat. That's a hell of an intervention. It could have been planned by the friends of like, listen, if you're physically unable to perform, we'll put

you on the pup list permanently. If you're not with us, you're not going anywhere. Oh, George. Bless George. The show started right where it was like him and Izzy, who's Katherine Heigl's character,

and Meredith, they were like interns. Christina Yang. The most badass. And Alex Karev. Which is my 13th reason for quitting the show. Why? Did he die? No.

They did. Okay. They did him dirty. Oh, no. Yeah, let's talk Karev. Let's talk Karev. So Karev is like the typical good-looking F-boy that like, you know, is he thinks he is it, he is him.

And then he kind of gets, you know, not down a few pegs because of just how bad-ass Meredith gray and Christina Yang are. So I don't know, Kelly, do you think he's like number three in that intern class? Right?

Like maybe is he's better than him. Maybe not. In terms of who we like or in terms of just like allegedly how good they are right as a doctor because he's always trying to be number one but well but Christina is Christina and Meredith are top two yeah for sure yeah and then everyone else is fighting for third let's yeah pretty much so anyway but then he's like disliked we hate him everyone hates him you know uh he's like dismissive brash blah blah blah you know has a temper a little bit all of this and then all of a sudden he meets Jane Doe and you know his whole life changes he's okay so

so Jane Doe there's another woman that was in a bus accident that I can't tell who she is it wasn't an accident I believe right Jane Doe she came gosh gosh it's such an old season

it's so I know um but there was gosh I don't remember how he gets like she came into

the hospital obviously yeah he was there and she was his patient like yeah that Yeah, that's enough. That's all you need to know. Yeah, like, survivor, you know, she's, yeah. It's like a whole pregnant woman that gets rescued because she, and she has amnesia.

Like, poor Mike. His things don't line up. This woman came in with a bingo board. So basically, yeah, so basically, Karev kind of has this like um he goes from this guy that you don't like to all of a sudden oh maybe this person has a heart maybe this is a good person and then as you continue his story he ends up getting together with izzy and she

ends up getting cancer and so he goes through that whole thing with her and it's very much there for her and he kind of just has this like shift in how he is as a character and you almost start like rooting for him I think and then you can now and you can finish with the dark what happened so yeah so then you know blah blah blah like him and Izzy have a moment um Catherine we know yes yes

she has sex with a ghost yes she does because of yeah she has sex with negan well we'll have to talk about izzy because there's a few very intense yeah very intense season yeah but that's well let's finish with correct yes but anyway the carbs has like yeah all of this and then finally you know becomes good him and meredith are kind of the only two people left.

And, you know, spoiler. Like they're on like a great journey. Both of them are doing amazing. Blah, blah, blah. Alex finds love finally with someone we all like, you know, and everyone's kind of like happy, happy, happy. Alex seems to be, you know, the anchor. Whenever Meredith feels like she's going anywhere, blah, blah, blah we do know also that alex's family life not great thumbs down the

next thing you know meredith gets into trouble alex needs to ask a bunch of people for help and he calls izzy off the record obviously we don't see any of this. And next thing you know, Alex is gone. He leaves his wife, Jo, who also is a foster kid, right? Wait, has a foster kid or is a foster kid?

Was. And then has family issues of herself. And that's why Alex and Jo bond so well, right? and he just pieces out in a letter but didn't he did but did wasn't there some move for that where he got in that fight with that other guy and like beat that guy up

yeah yeah he beat DeLuca right yeah that kind of stuff I think started a bit of a spiral. DeLuca is Meredith's man at the time but you know unfortunately Meredith's men are like buses. Well, Meredith had a new man because they killed off her man. Correct.

So I know that. I know McDreamy died in a car accident. Well, multiple men have died. But McDreamy did die. He was one of the later kill-offs. Mm-hmm. But again, it's just all these issues with Shonda and these people just getting whacked off because

of it so wait so did he know that he was getting written off or the last thing he does is call another character who left the show no no no that was the sign he should have no they gave they gave mcdreamy like a hero's send that's mcdreamy yes oh no no not correct not correct Oh! No, no, Alex Karev. Not Karev. Oh. Karev's just, Karev's leaving, right? Where they're just like, he, yeah, ends up finding out that Izzy has frozen two embryos before she had cancer. And then those embryos became twin babies. And guess what?

They're Alex Karev's kids. Poor Mike. Wait, so like. baby is and guess what they're Alex Karev's kids poor Mike wait so like he was so taken by that and the thought of a family that he just peace out Girl Scout so like they're like one dalliance she's like alright well

I got these Karev babies gotta put them in the deep breeze on and off like you know they could have been the like one true man. Was it not could have been the ghost? Was it the ghost babies? No so and the thing is like there is

I'm missing a lot of nuance obviously like yeah Alex helps you know This doesn't sound like a very nuanced show but be completely honest No no like Alex helps like Meredith because she done some fraud like I think they need some fraud because medicine the medical industry

sucks and Meredith you know trying to help out someone but you know because of all of that it's just poor guy it's just it was doing pediatric surgery like this is the kind of guy he was like it was in peds killing it blah blah blah and then all of a sudden he's just gone

yeah so they got rid of him and yeah i think that leads us well mike you tell us what else you know who else tell us other characters and we'll kind of give you the backstory so i know there's bailey oh yeah bailey seems like uh i'm trying to think of of who this would be like the long-running show with like the one person that sticks around you know like she is the ted danson and sheer she seems to be there from beginning to end even while Island Pompeo is just sort of like y'all kind of like stop in for a few episodes it seems like now it is Bailey's fort to hold down yeah so Bailey is a big figure from episode one because she's basically would she be the res would she be the resident what would her title be she was

yeah she was the oh yeah chief becomes right later on okay so she basically is the surgeon that's far along in her career and she takes in the new class of interns or what yeah yeah yeah yeah she onwards them and she's basically overseeing their their time as they're you know doing patients and surgeries and all that and so she is from the very beginning it's like one of the first scenes with her is she's just you can tell she's like a hard ass like she's the one that's going to keep them in order she doesn't deal with bs they come in they call her what do they call her um oh my god like the drill sergeant or there's some word they have for her and so they're all chattering about it and she comes

in the room and they are so shocked that she's a woman not a man yeah is that what okay okay well that's what they called her she's a black woman mind you yeah yeah so um she's that's kind of your first introduction to her is like oh wow that's what this character is going to be but she's obviously um has a lot of layers to her as all of these characters do and you kind of start to get to know her more and her her husband and then she has a son and um she still kind of always keeps this like tough uh exterior but like she really does care about people a lot and i think she she's a great she's a really great character she's very very fun i like so she has she's had the same job for 20 seasons does she

ever look into a promotion or anything yeah she is hbic she is chief of surgery by the end or at the end isn't is there is there drama around like who becomes chief of surgery because i imagine like meredith has risen through the ranks there. They wanted Meredith. Meredith turns it down as well. And Richard Weber, who was introduced to us as the chief of surgery. Right. Right. Yeah. Yes. The main guy, blah, blah, blah. Mike, take a wild guess how this man man you know that is a chief of surgery might know meredith before she becomes an intern ex-boyfriend oh close richard is married man

uh but richard has an affair with meredith's mom who was also a surgeon but she gets dementia or she gets um she she can no longer like we're basically introduced to her a little bit later on I think in the first season right yeah we discover that she was like this top surgeon like everyone knows the name gray and so Meredith also kind of has this um feeling is Meredith a nepo baby yeah oh yeah so meredith's mom and richard had an affair when meredith was younger and we start we see pieces of that as the seasons go on interesting okay and they do have a child that does come to seattle yes you're on so meredith's sister who she didn't know. Yeah.

Oh, so I knew she had a sister. I didn't know if that was like an already introduced character, or if it's like, Hey, you don't know me, but we have the same last name. No same last name because,

because she's given up for adoption. How does she find them? So she also coincidentally goes into medicine yeah yeah like child born out of wedlock of two doctors but she knew when she came to gray sloan that it was uh that meredith was there like she knew that she knew that meredith was her sister but meredith did not know so that i feel like this is a horrible lesson for like those kids who grow up in households where the parents are like you must be a doctor because you're in a family of doctors like look at the grace look what they've all done

i think my mom's still waiting for me to be a doctor so what happened so what happened to him did he retire did he fire did he get hit by a bus? Many things happened to Richard. I think he's still on the show. Yeah, he is. OK, there's some illnesses. There's not wanting to give up his post. But then, you know, since Bailey was his protege, he does give it over eventually to Bailey. But then he's now, you know, like back to being a resident.

But his hands ain't working the same way. So that's kind of Richard. How old is this man? Like 83? He's old. Yeah. Like you can see through the seasons, his hair gets gray. Like he definitely, you can tell that. Well, he got gray in a number of ways.

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Head to salesforce.com slash careers to learn more. Okay, so I know about Izzy. I know Katherine Heigl's character, where she fell in love with a man named Denny who is Jeffrey Dean Morgan aka Negan and so perhaps in an ode or a foreshadowing

Sasha of his role in The Boys season 4 he had a disease and he I think there was a storyline where she like puts him out of his misery like is there was there a whole controversy about like pulling the plug on him or something? Well,

she kept him alive when he should have died. Yes. So that, yes. So she meets him and she falls in love and I think he needs a heart transplant. So she is his doctor, but falls in love with him. And there's this whole season,

basically trying to figure out how he's, how's he going to get a heart? How's Danny going to get a heart? We're going to do. And in the episode, the final episode, basically where he does die, um, they had a heart transplant for him and they were going to get the heart and they're on the way, like they're on the way all this time. They've kept him alive all this time. heart and they're on the way like they're on the way all this time they've kept him alive all this time and then um there's a there's like a ball like a not a um like a dance yes at the hospital at the hospital yeah it's like a little prom take a little prom so how much is an hour at the civic center cost don't have it at the hospital you're gonna get a code blue at over the line while they're playing the last dance so izzy comes in his room to show denny her beautiful dress when she comes in he's basically like blue like he's dead and so she cuts isn't that what happened

am i telling it right yeah the elbow and then she so she cuts a wire to be able to keep so he's not dead or no he has, she does CPR. God, I can't remember. I think he was dead. And then she keeps him, but she kept him alive somehow. Yeah. I think he's gone. She was basically pumping his heart for him.

Yeah. And then she gets all the other interns involved and they're all like in this room. And then Bailey comes in and is like, what's going on? And then she, and then, and then. Yeah. the other interns involved and they're all like in this room and then Bailey comes in and is like what's going on and then she and then and then yeah I mean he died he died and he and he leaves her money which is and he leaves her money and then she gets cancer and she starts seeing the ghost of him but we don't really know like why and then it comes out that he's basically it comes out that basically he was like, almost like an angel coming to like, take her up to heaven with him.

What? But she, but it's like, do you want to go up to heaven with me or do you want to live on this earth? Do you want to go to hell? So, yeah. But she's with Karev at this time. Yes.

Yeah. So then she's like, do I want to stay on earth and fight this with Karev, like fight my cancer or do I want to go? And they well she kind of gets bold and that she's like listen i'll go but like let me freeze these karev babies so they can live on yeah and here's the like because i looked it up because i couldn't remember when she cut the lvab okay thank you whole thing thank you yeah this is why it's crazy mike okay explain Okay, explain it. So there's a donor that flatlines. Okay, then the car, you know, Dr. Burke,

which is the cardio baddie, you know, he tried to get the other donor's heart for Denny. And in order to help his case, Izzy decides to lie on the phone. That's right. Oh my gosh. Yes. Okay, that's right. Denny's getting worse. that's right oh my gosh yes okay that's right and he's getting worse that's right not true so they they asked for labs right to confirm that he deserves said heart

so she decides to make his heart actually worse to fool them and she cuts this l bad wire that's what it is oh my god yeah and then okay And then Denny's like, stop her. But, you know, but he relents and she's crying, blah, blah, blah. Because basically she's like, you would never forgive him for making her love him if he died. Like all this love story. Oh my God. Okay. You know what?

Yeah. That woman went straight to hell. Like, I don't care about the symbology. I don't care what denny represents that woman said okay i'm coming with you and then took an escalator right on down to the 10th circle good lord yeah and then she ends up thank you manually pumping his heart that's what it was okay i forgot but that is yeah i couldn't remember he could have been dead and she was pumping the heart. Okay, yes. Oh my God. And this was like, what, season two? It was pretty early on.

One or two. Yeah, maybe two, probably. Maybe two. No, here's the thing, y'all. I forgot. George then takes over pumping. Then the interns decide, right? Like, they have to get the test result themselves. Christina looks at the heart, blah, blah, blah.

Denny wakes back up and proposes to lizzie izzy before coding oh i don't remember that i i forgot about this yeah okay then they like try to stabilize yeah y'all please have grace some seattle grace with us at this point you know, then Bailey comes in and Bailey finds out. Bailey is tired of them. I know Bailey hates to see them coming. This isn't like Mr. Feeney on Boy Meets World. Is she like, interns?

What did you do? Feeney had a heart condition and killing him. She's so tired of them. She's so tired of them. But yeah, then the heart eventually starts to beat and then they close surgery you know he's like wow my hands are warm blah blah stable and he's stable in the room and then later that night he throws a clock and that's right that's right yep okay it's all coming back to me now now can i ask um yes like was the prom still on did they

keep going? Oh no, hold on, because this is one thing that was happening. Scandal is that McDreamy had gotten back with his wife, but then he's in the bathroom with Meredith doing a little quick. Quick. Well, this is all going on with Denny.

Excuse me, love me. But he was married? so did you know that meredith was the other woman multiple times it's the other one because it runs in the family considering her mother yes yes um basically that's how we introduce um that's how we were introduced to meredith and Meredith and McDreamy is that the first of all elevators was their thing that's how he proposes to her right

that is one of the most ridiculous sentences I've ever heard in my life because in the hospital that's like the only place you can get like a moment to cry or to yell or whatever so they're always I know the

elevator hates to see these two coming i'll tell you that so basically they had a moment at this like the famous bar like this the bar is like the cheers bar right like everyone's always there kind of deal yeah joe's thank you and anyway they like meet up they have a little moment you know they Meredith was like oh I had this one night stand with this really hot guy wow um he is now the neurosurgeon oh so

she's a brain surgeon episode one she comes to work she's like oh my god I had this crazy night out I met this guy I had a one night stand she goes to work and she's like with Bailey and the rest of the class and then all of a sudden this guy her one night stand McDreamy comes in and he's like the neurosurgeon she's like uh and then it comes out later on that he's married they kind of end up back and forth thing a little bit of you know dating and then it comes out later that he has a wife and so she's

like the other woman and the wife comes and she comes back to the hospital because they aren't fully divorced yeah they're still married do they but it gets more complicated because she they they're in this situation because she the wife was having an affair with his best friend mick steamy yes wait they're they're friends i thought it was like a replacement thing i thought it was like well i'm done with mcdreamy come in mixed that is so so we find that later that'd be like but that would be like if my nickname was tommy and i'm like come here bommie like i don't want to nickname my friend an incredibly similar nickname the interns did it to be fair it wasn't any of the like it wasn't addison or the two men i don't i guess i'd much rather be mcdreamy than mcsteamy mcsteamy to me implies some sort of like moisture situation

he was hot yeah he was hot unfortunately it does work mark sloan classic surgeon hotty mccot hot cocky but like in the right way right like the right amount of cocky you want in a man where you're like you're hot and you know it but like i'm about it and i want to know more versus mcdreamy was very much like wow you're a really nice guy but you're effing cheater uh but you're really nice guy and you know you're smart and you're this so it just unfortunately it worked for the both of them i don't know how else to say it was meredith involved with both of them no no just just mcdreamy a gray was but not meredith oh interesting yes they go on a double date at one point the grays and the mix

I don't think so no unfortunately Lexi um yeah oh she died in the plane crash yes I know about the plane crash okay you know okay tell us what you know

about the plane crash yes okay so I know that a bunch of them were on a plane and it crashed uh and then meredith's sister i think she was like they killed off like a couple of other secondary characters but like she was the big debt and this was something that i think either closed out one season like maybe started another one uh but i remember it was a very big deal because all of a sudden it turns into lost for like half a second yes yes actually that's wow yeah i love that connection because that's so true it did yeah yep and they like do they deal with any repercussions after that is there like a legal battle over suing the plane company there is i don't remember all the details but it definitely extended into

the next season because some of the people lived and so that like one woman lost she at least one leg i think she lost one not both um and then they had to like they had to saw it all right like yeah yeah i remember wait did it i thought they died from that too ali lost her leg right no no it was callie's partner um oh nevada arizona yeah so i knew there was a woman named after a state but i didn't want to bother arizona arizona robbins your leg i believe right i don't know she loses one leg misinformation yeah yeah because her whole thing is that she can't walk in it and then there's a lot of frustration yes correct yeah it's her mike it's a there's a lot of seasons and there's a lot of stuff that happens so you know we're i haven't gone back and watched the season no i'm loving it it's hard to remember this is off the dome and then i'm random wikipedia

this is how sick this show is in that year it just it's imprinted on my heart how many how many times do they play the chasing cars song by snow patrol because that's one song i associate with it one thing i do know is for some inexplicable reason they did do a musical episode and i watched parts of that because i will say listen if you are a television show out there and and and you know i'm a slut for musical episodes but i have taste you know for me it's like they have to be relatively good singers and there were like some drips and drabs there but i do remember that the song chasing cars is affiliated with the show, but I'm not sure in what way. So there's chasing cars and there's one other song, how to save a life.

Yeah. So how to say, basically those are played during very, I guess you would call them iconic moments on the show or very like impactful moments. Like someone dies or some crazy surgery happened or just just something it's just like those are the two songs oh and when Derek dies this is the yes yeah so is it like for you all some sort of Pavlovian response like when you hear that

it's like oh my god no no yeah when the when the how to save a life thing starts i was like some tragedy is about to happen i don't know what's gonna happen watch out planes you might go watch out fairies i might sink what what oh yeah the fairy oh well mary don't almost die in a fairy yeah yeah these people need to like live at the hospital. Like I would be so scared. Well, there might be a shooter at the hospital.

Oh yeah, the shooting was so scary. I didn't even watch those episodes. That's so scary. There's a shooter a mass shooter at the hospital.

He literally kills a bunch of people. Yeah, he does. He does. What grievance does he have at the hospital? He got mad because Doc McDreamy didn't save his wife.

Yes. Didn't save his wife. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So he comes back and he's like going for McDreamy, but then he kind of just starts like, he just,

he like loses it. He just starts shooting people. And there's this one scene that's so, I remember it's so scary because they're in a hospital room and there's this one scene that's so i remember it's so scary because they're in a hospital room and there's there's like a patient that i think is maybe already died in the bed but bailey and this other guy are like hiding and he comes in and he shoots the other guy and he has to like be so silent and she like sees the guy fall it's like it's really intense I don't even I can't watch it anymore it's really scary and this like causes a lot of Bailey's issues right um oh yeah

as it should OCD and uh all of this stuff and it's just it's really unfortunate oh my god I'm just I'm like reliving all the trauma y'all like I forgot half these things happened yeah there's a lot but the ferry boat there's a ferry boat accident the same ferry

boats that I um go to and from home on by the way um but there's a lot but the ferry boat there's a ferry boat accident the same ferry boats that i um go to and from home on by the way um but there's a ferry boat accident and meredith uh ends up in the water she gets knocked into the water and they can't find her right away and then they bring her in and there's this whole episode of her basically like very similar to izzy deciding if she's going to live or die wait so like what's she getting knocked in by? Like, an oar? Or did she get pushed off? No, there's, like, a little kid or something.

Yeah. Oh, a kid punching her in the water? No, isn't she saving someone from drowning? No, she went to save a little kid or something? Yeah. Yeah. These people have to stop saving civilians in the wild. It's always saving a life.

That's the whole point. Always saving a life. Hence, how to save a life. Yes. Oh, my God. Well, I'm i'm glad so do you think like will meredith gray ever die because now she's also like been pseudo kind of written off the show are they gonna kill her off she comes to visit so this is where unfortunately um we might get our lashings kelly because yeah we have not watched oh yeah I haven't watched the last few seasons I've seen clips of

things but I haven't yeah same my problem is after DeLuca was you know he was like again these really normal people that they just kind of completely do a 180 on their character and just take them like oh he has anger issues that must mean that he has found love you know he figured things out with his dad blah blah all this stuff goes on and he because he has anger issues he must drive the motorcycle at 170 miles an hour and that's how they kill him off so then I said they don't want Meredith to be happy they don't want her to win so I just it was I Karev

was like the final no it was like the coffin was closing and then DeLuca was a final nail for me where I was like this is just why am I still watching I started my downhill moment was when they killed off McDreamy the way that they did because

because Mike we didn't talk about this but McDreamy could have lived yes but he but the doctor so basically the perspective they give us is through his perspective of being injured in the hospital and he's talking about what the doctor should be doing

like he's telling us as the audience what the procedure should be and she's talking about what the doctor should be doing. Like he's telling us as the audience what the procedure should be and she's doing basically like the opposite. And so she ends up being the reason that he dies, but he could have lived because he was alive when he was in the hospital. So that was for me, like that one really got me. Yeah, he doesn't get a CT scan in time.

That's what it is. And so does everyone like turn on this doctor that made that decision well it's at a different hospital and the whole point of that hospital i think is that it's not grays and that it's like kind of lower tier blah blah blah because they use i feel like i don't know if it's the same hospital but in my i'm like remembering green right a lot which is juxtapositioned with blues and the muted colors and grays but anyway uh oh well then eventually becomes a dark blue and it's gray salone i think but either way it doesn't matter um there's like this hospital

that's subpar quote unquote and yeah derrick dies there then bailey i know goes to another hospital because she's having a heart attack. But no one is taking her serious because she's a woman and a black woman. So she's like, women have heart attacks. Like, what the F are you guys talking about? But they're like, no, you know, writing her off, being like, no, it's stress or X, Y, and Z, da, da, da.

And she knows that if she, you know, goes to graze, she obviously would have been fine, but she doesn't want anyone to know. Oh, interesting. Yeah, this da da. And she knows that if she goes to graze, she obviously would have been fine, but she doesn't want anyone to know. Oh, interesting. Yeah, this is happening. So she ends up at a different hospital. Has she tried getting hit by a bus so that no one knew it was her? But then she might really die, you know, because Bailey was fine.

She makes it through. Yeah, it's so bad. It's so bad. I just can't believe they did this yeah like i can still remember crying even though i knew it was coming that they were gonna kill him because they played how to save a life yeah yeah it was really sad though because it was like the end of like when you watch a show for so long it's like you really do not that these people are like people in your life but you know you just connect with characters and you connect with the stories and Grey's Anatomy does a good job of um the music choices and they kind of give you these like quotes every episode you kind of like

these quotes you're like oh wow like I could I'm not a surgeon but that could apply to my life in a way and so they really like bring you into these like relationships and and so then when they kill off a major character it's like oh my god it was just really it was it was very sad yeah yeah very sad huh so then do they like how much do they circulate people in is it like every time you lose one character you gain three more well it kind of it started with your main cast and then they started kind of getting rid of people and then they'd add in basically like a new class of interns and so then but some of those wouldn't last like the shooter episode they got rid of like some of that class but then some of them stayed and then it's just kind of like now there's i don't even honestly i don't even really know who's on and out because I haven't watched it's a whole new group

we had the queer storyline that I remember as well so that was cool that they were having sex as well but Cali and Arizona was like the first oh right yeah yeah

that was really cool but then Arizona had a baby with mark which was yes because why didn't nevada do that i don't remember no it was callie it was her partner arizona didn't do it it was callie callie she i think so i think with mark yeah yeah i believe that was the thing i think she cheated i I'm pretty sure. And then she had a baby with Mark. And then Arizona with her leg issues had to like carry the baby. And it was.

And Arizona dipped out. She's like, I'm going to Europe or whatever to teach or whatever, wherever she went, Norway or something. Yeah. They used to have like, Callie and Mark used to have sex, even though they didn't like love each other. It was like a little ting.

And then unfortunately it turned into a baby. Turned into a baby. Do these people like date outside of the hospital? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I mean, I guess being a medical professional, you know, it's very hard hours to work and to find somebody,

but it just feels so incredibly complicated to like date where you poop in a manner of speaking yeah yeah so much so that one one day one episode they all um there was an std going around and so they all had to be tested and they were trying to figure out who started the std situation so yeah did they figure it out yes they do it was someone that george was sleeping with yep which again people before the bus yeah not in that window i think this was the like um george o'malley is like oh you can get it too question oh god he was a little bit of like the butt monkey comic

relief, and then it turns out that he can throw it in. Yeah. Remember George and Meredith's little thing? Yeah, but that was painful to watch because she was just like crying the whole time we were, you know, under the covers. Oh my God,

why? Was he that bad? No, she was missing she was basically doing it because she missed mcdreamy and like that not no not he hadn't died yet like this early on but she just the fact that he was cheating and still had a wife and she so she thought like oh maybe george and i but then she was just sad because she wanted to be with him oh there's like some spite sex happening yeah but yeah it was didn't like it. It was very much using George and it was bad. So bad.

Also, let's talk about Christina Yang. Yeah, we haven't talked about Christina. What do you know about Christina though, Mike? What do you need to know first? All I know is that while I got into the work of Sandra Oh when I went to go see Sideways, which I talked about last week with Brooke, where I, unfortunately,

my parents and I got to sit next to each other while we watched a scene of full frontal male nudity. But I know that, and I only know this because I saw a meme go around recently about how she's childless and she's okay being childless, and that was very

revolutionary. That's all I know about her and also her and meredith were like bffs okay that's all i know and i'm imagining probably shit together as well okay i like it um yeah so sasha you take this one you talk about you talk about you talk about her you talk about her i mean i can but i've talked a lot you know no no not at all you're you're our guest please go ahead oh okay um so christina basically comes in and she is the person that she wants to be like the best yeah like she wants to be the best surgeon she wants to be in the surgeries she is very competitive she would basically like live her life at the hospital because she wants to be

like number one um and then she ends up falling in love with dr burke and they go to get married, but then they don't get married. And then she leave. Where does she go? She leaves. Yeah. Where'd she go? Because basically she does get pregnant. Okay.

Yeah. With her like on and off surge on a relationship with Dr. Burke. And she terminates the pregnancy and without telling him, which obviously because in a relationship. So, and I remember like, this was a big deal

when they showed this on TV. And, you know, but again, she also shares that she had an ectopic pregnancy. Like it was a whole thing. And after she has her miscarriage, is that she had an ectopic pregnancy. It was a whole thing. And after she has her miscarriage, she ends up, you know,

resuming the relationship. And then Burke gets shot at the shooting. During the shooting? I forgot that Burke gets shot. Yeah. Because we, you know, not maybe the best

person that played Isaiah Washington. Oh, so he was the guy that did the thing with T.R. Knight. Oh, and they were linked up together. Yes, I remember this now. Yeah. So, you know, after he gets shot, he develops a hand tumor. You know, Yang helps him recover. Wait, but that doesn't, that's not.

Hand tremor. Oh, hand tremor, hand tremor, hand tremor. Yeah. Shaky hand. I was going to say like, I listen, I'm no medical professional, but I think I'd question the legitimacy of this whole operation. Well, sorry. Shootings cause hand tumors.

Oh my God. A hand tremor, like his hand was shaking so that is that's all right but you know then like yang helps him cover it up like blah blah blah and but here's my thing they just like take this badass character and make her fall in love and then i feel like that like ruins and i know that's what kind of does but yeah it's just I feel like she kind of like gets so wrapped up in Burke that it really pisses me off and then uh finally like they you know again they go back and forth right and then um she does accept his marriage proposal and then she has a moment of panic before she walks out the aisle because again this character

is like supposed to be a badass and it's just so entwined with work that it pisses me off and anyway whatever they end up getting married and let me get us at the hospital they don't get married

I'm sorry I'm sorry because he disappears and he's seen we don't see married i'm sorry don't get married yeah oh i'm sorry i'm sorry because he disappears and he's never and he's seen we don't see him until way later and yang goes on the honeymoon with meredith to recover oh so very sex in the city like did they go to abu dhabi listen not yet oh but yeah and then um you know whatever she has a whole thing she meets owen hunt which oh my gosh i totally forgot it yes oh my gosh oh my gosh but i personally find owen hunt to be so irritating oh my gosh me too i do not like owen yeah he's an army trauma surgeon and you know like they have a little thing.

And again, he's trying to get her to stay down. And he's again, he's the alpha, not alpha male, the traditional male without, I think, saying he's a trad husband. Yeah, trad husband. That's how do I say trad wife? That's him. So I just again, I feel like they have, again, another damn back and forth

because Yang should have never been in a relationship with no one. But here they are trying to get her to fall in love. Anyway, she ends up, you know, leaving, then getting rehired. She marries Owen, by the way. And you could tell they should have met. Let me guess guess at the

hospital yeah i don't i don't know they do they do have a chapel in there everything with her uh but anyway then they they're together then they break up there's like a hospital goes into near bankruptcy like i said it's just it's so? What? Did they do like a fundraiser? I don't remember. No. Why it happened is because of the plane crash lawsuit. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Was a key motive behind Owen's request. And then Owen, because Owen was chief of surgery, right? For a little bit. Oh, okay. As well. So anyway, Owen tells her that he feels responsible.

He thought she was dead. They have a relationship after divorcing. Free my girl, Christina Yank is the point. But then Owen reconnects with one of his old army doctors. What's her name?

I wasn't a fan of her either. I can't think of her name altman teddy teddy oh teddy yeah yeah yeah so then he goes on to have a thing with her yeah um and yeah he has ptsd and it's just he's a mess but But anyway, Christina and Meredith, like have a bunch of like cool professional experiences because they do the 3D heart heart printing thing as well. And then the Harper Avery, which is a really prestigious award. And, you know, she's nominated, but she's passed over because of her close relationship with the Harper Avery Foundation. Because guess what?

They co-own the new Seattle Grace, which is Grace Sloan Memorial Hospital now. Gray for Lexi who dies and Mark who dies, Sloan, in the plane crash. And then... You can name hospitals like that? It's a whole, the hospital weird money thing is crazy. The insurance, they wouldn't.

Was there a contest? Can we call it hospital make hospital phase? Basically, because they wouldn't give them insurance money because Karev wasn't on the plane and Nevada, aka Arizona, was. So that caused some insurance drama there. Anyway. Yeah, but then Christina goes to speak in Zurich. Beautiful city.

Everyone should go. Orchestrated by none other than one Preston Burke, who's built his own hospital following the winning of the Harper Avery. No, this is not like tree houses. You can't be like, screw you. I'm building my own hospital now. It's just they do Christina so dirty.

That's why I just I have to. They do. And he offers her job as the head of the hospital in Switzerland so that he can spend more time with his wife and kids. Christina of course accepts the offer. And so that's how she gets written off the show? Yes. Yes.

But guess what? She interviews candidates for her replacement and she interviews one Maggie Pierce for the new chief of cardio and that is how one twisted sister leaves and then the other one shows up. Maggie Pierce for the new chief of cardio and that is how one twisted sister leaves and then the other one shows up Maggie Pierce is

the love child of Gray and Dr. Weber yeah oh my god there's so many names now that I'm like I'm even trying to keep track of it okay so this is the long lost half sister so this sister comes in.

Yeah. So one sister leaves and another one. Mm hmm. Oh. So Christina leaves and yeah. Mm hmm. Wow. Yeah.

And it's really the worst because my girl deserves better. Yeah. Christina was great. Wow. Yeah. That just sounds like God at that point. I'm like, yeah, put me in front of the bus put me in the boat i'd rather die that way than live on my knees you might die you might

yeah it's a lot and then and so we've really only talked about kind of the characters that were first introduced but since then a lot of key characters have emerged as we talked about earlier because some have been killed off or left and so they replaced them so there have been other people that had pretty big storylines you know later on in the seasons kind of middle seasons but it's too much even you you've got the download on like the main like the heartbeat of a Grey's Anatomy yeah yes the heartbeat that uh I am pumping the life into exactly so yeah so so what do you think Kelly what's your consensus do you think they should take the show off life support at this point or at this point are you like 21 years

what's another 21 I guess the ratings are telling them if it should continue on but i i listen maybe i'm not a diehard grace fan because i stopped watching it but maybe i'll get back into it maybe this will inspire me i do think that what the show was and how great that first batch of characters was it's just really hard it's like a it's like a sequel to a movie right or when you get on movie four and you're like okay it's not even the same people i don't even recognize the movie i first watched it just kind of feels to me like that's where it's at now because there's just not really anybody left that made me fall in love with the show so but i mean obviously people are still watching it so yeah my mom said that it's back baby like it is fun like fun is good again cause she was also pissed off

at the DeLuca death and all but she said no it's time to come back and watch it okay when they bring on new cast members is it like when they tried that thing in the middle of Glee where it's like oh so and so is the new McDreamy so and so is the new

Meredith are they trying to come up with original characters 21 years in I think they have like a journey right where it's like you come in as an intern or as maybe a transfer doctor because at one point two hospitals merged the merger oh yeah the merger

yeah that was crazy Jessedie jesse williams aka jackson avery oh wait is he still around yeah i don't know i don't know he was on like only murders in the building yeah i don't believe he's still on the show last appearance in 2021 so oh see that's what i'm saying so so basically like that there was like there was kind of like a second group that came in yeah it was also really likable but you still had kind of some of the olds you're like okay like I'm down with this blending because I'm getting new but I'm still getting that like feeling of my old characters and then once I started to get rid of that first class and the second class it was like who are we left with here what's it felt very yeah

exactly yeah and again the shooting gave us like um unfortunately like cleaned house a little bit it did it's like 11 people die oh my god yeah so avery like jack you know again avery aka harper avery avery um so he's like nepo baby nepo grand baby even so he's like trying to forge his own journey blah blah blah so and then him and keppner which is it's a whole other person yeah second second class it was like the second yeah yeah the mercy west people yeah what era what era are we in in Grey's Anatomy is this the new era of Grey's Anatomy probably four yeah four yeah yeah because I would say yeah the Meredith Christina era one Mercy West people I feel like are era two then a whole bunch of people die oh and then DeLuca and their crew I feel like it's three and then I think they were three DeLuca was three and then now we're on whatever we're on now

okay so then if they were on a season of the challenge which era do you think would be the best oh era one yeah please number one yeah the original by far the original I'm with you I'll keep that in mind for my fan fiction

I god I am simultaneously addled, but like, God, this must be what cocaine is like. It's getting a little jump on Grey's Anatomy. I'm jazzed. There's so much stimulus happening. This show sounds absolutely wild. When are we going to introduce you to Scandal?

Or did you watch Scandal? I've never watched Scandal. Ooh. Bridgerton was my only foray into Shonda Rhimes. Wow! Scandal, season one of Scandal was... I feel like you... Yes.

Good. I know Scandal has, it's handled and there's a guy named Fitz played by the guy who voiced Troys and Tarzan. He's the M, right? In MGM. Or he's the G. He's the G, Tony Goldwyn. He's the G in MGM.

Talk about money. And I know, yes, there was that. There's the show of Why Is Your Dick on a Dead Man's Phone? How to Get Away with Murder. I couldn't really get into How to Get Away with Murder, but I love Scandal. After season one, I gave up on How to Get away but scandal it held pretty good yeah i feel pretty good yeah i feel like we yeah we need to do a watch of scandal because it's you should listen there might be a sequel

kelly to to bring you on because obviously there's so much more we can talk about in terms of your tv taste but we did such a deep dive into Grey's Anatomy I know us explaining to Mike Olivia and her dad and the daddy issues yeah yeah there's a lot to unpack on that show to be honest with you I need to rewatch

because I had gosh I haven't seen that I think yeah I haven't seen it either but yeah I also looked up this new era of people. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah. There's this guy named Lucas Adam, first year surgical interns, again, you know,

era four. Derek Shepard is his aunt, uncle, and Amelia is his aunt. And what? Meredith, his aunt. What is happening? Zola, his aunt. And what? Meredith, his aunt. What is happening? Zola, his cousin.

Who dis? Girl, we don't know. That's really interesting. Now, like, do I need to rewatch? You know what I'm saying? This is crazy. I also wonder if AI will get to a certain point where, like, they can just write Grey's Anatomy episodes,

you know, just bring in random characters, various medical various medical maladies i mean how much do they focus nowadays on the medical maladies or are they just primarily on the interpersonal drama i think they've always done a good job of weaving it in obviously the cases are extreme and seems so ridiculous some of them are very normal some of them are like how would that even happen like crazy like flesh eating diseases and all this yeah um there was one episode where there was like a train crash and these two people had a pole go through both of them and only one of them could live and they both had to decide they had to decide and then yeah only one of them could live give me agoraphobia i can't get on a plane i can't get

on a train i can't get on a boat i can't ride my motorcycle 100 miles an hour i can't go outside yeah there's uh there's there's there's a lot so oh i think but i think it does it focuses on both yeah it does a good job some episodes are kind of more like relationship heavy some episodes are more medical heavy yeah yeah that's it well obviously you know what a journey we've been on youtube this is beautiful wow well i love it and we all truly learned today how to save a podcast oh my god like you have the song cued ready to go uh i feel like we're gonna just gonna be on youtube so we are immediately getting a copyright stricken immediate oh my god so you just play it all in your heads well suffice it to say kelly i think uh this will not be the last time we'll

talk to you because we definitely want to get a deeper dive into like your own history with television yeah other stuff you watch outside of grades but this was an absolute delight any other things you want to say anything you want to plug for the listeners out there no not at all just this was really fun i appreciate you guys thank you we appreciate you of course uh what i will plug is that uh kelly wenworth made the survivor 50 wish list top 20 so congratulations to kelly wenworth thank you okay listen you, you do one fan vote and then you just, you get really good at it,

I guess. You're the chief of surgery of fan votes. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah. That was fun that you,

that you did that though. Not to, not to talk about Survivor, but I hope you had fun doing it. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. Thank you. that was cool thank you a lot of people a lot of people a lot of people listen we were the survivors and what else

podcast i'm so sorry i'm so sorry no i loved that is my favorite season oh wow i will die okay it does have a lot of you know thinking, thinking back. I don't want everyone back. I don't care. Same people. It is pretty ridiculous. It really is when you think about it. But if the Christie brothers aren't himbos anymore, I don't want it.

You know what I'm saying? If they have sense now, I don't want it. I don't want it. I'm going to stand quiet over here there we go plead the fifth Kelly Sasha anything you'd like to plug now that you are back in the swing of things officially behind the microphone once more shout out to all my co-hosts they're killing it okay while I was up and out but yeah we're killing it like that. Doctor with Derek in the bad hospital. Oh, my. Those are.

I cut deep. Oh, oh, I'm going to cry in the corner now. I have a new slew of references. I could use whatever I want to. Thank you for that. You're welcome. Oh, my God. I cannot.

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just follow me on Twitter at funsize underscore 04 what about you Mike yeah usual reality TV beats mentioned the wish list which has come to a big close this past week covering Big Brother covering the challenge and look the Survivor 47 cast will show up at some point.

A new group bringing in a new class of interns, if you will, into the Fijian Hospital. And I got the chance to sit down with them all and talk to them before the season. And so whenever that cast drops,

I'll have that readily available for you. So keep your ears to the ground and make sure you stay tuned to TV for real as next week, Sasha and I will be back with another reality star talking and their scripted TV taste. Thank you all so much for listening. Kelly, thank you so much. Again, this was an absolute delight. We'll be back next week. Until then, everybody, it's been real.