RHAP: We Know Survivor - Kelley Wentworth Talks Survivor 48 Ep 8

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

This week, Rob and  Survivor icon, Kelley Wentworth, discuss Survivor 48 episode 8!

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everybody what's going on Rob sister Nino back with you and I'm so excited for our interview today and these old-school interviews have been so much fun this season and we've got another banger here today. We have, of course, with us the great three time survivor. Please welcome Kelly Wentworth. Kelly, how are you? I'm good, Rob. How are you? Always a pleasure. I'm delighted to have you here to talk some survivor, because you are so

active on all of the social medias that you have really, you know, not just as a Survivor player, but as a Survivor commentator, that you are doing skits. You are really just doing everything. Yes, I do. I like to have fun.

I really do. It's such an interesting position because when you go on Survivor and you're a player and you're a contestant, you're kind of like you have a different perspective. But then when I come back and I've been out of the game for so long, I'm just a fan again. I just want to talk about Survivor as if I was never on Survivor. You know, I like to do behind the scenes stuff and things of that nature too. But I like to just I like to just yap about Survivor. I like the little community. I like to respond to comments. I try to be very active. I want to have a discussion around it. I always love

different perspectives as long as people are not too mean because then I will block you. Okay. I have no issue with that. Okay. We don't have time for all that. This is a safe space. To the other contestants, you will block people. No, to me. Oh, okay. contestants, you will block people. No, to me. Oh, OK. I'm very selfish. No. If they come in and say mean

things to me, I'm like, bye. Like, you don't deserve to be here. But I really do love it. It's fun. And I just started doing the Survivor kind of reenactment because I was noticing people doing them for other shows and no one does them for Survivor.

And luckily, Survivor 47 was the perfect entry because there were so many funny moments. I was laughing hysterically every episode of Survivor 47. I loved everybody on the season. So it was a great opportunity. This season, I am, it's been a struggle. Not going to lie to you, Rob, but I'm doing my best. Well, you always keep it real. And I'm talking about all of the thoughts for Survivor 48.

But catch people up in case we see what you're saying about Survivor, but what's going on in your world? What's going on in my world? I always feel like that's such a hard question because I, it's not a hard question, but I live a very simple life. I just have a normal job. I work in marketing. So that's always fun. I wear many different hats. It's different every single day. Not just when you make TikToks. Not just when I make TikToks, but I will tell you that does give me a unique perspective in my job because I see both sides of it. Like I see the

business side of it in terms of when I'm working with brands and let's say they want to find influencers or they want to do social media campaigns. As I myself the business side of it in terms of when I'm working with brands and let's say they want to find influencers or they want to do social media campaigns. As I myself would say I'm an influencer, I understand kind of both sides and the mentality of both sides. So I feel I'm able to just provide a unique perspective in different discussions.

So I enjoy that, that's kind of cool. And then I have three dogs, which keep me very busy. Very busy. The one has to get exercise all the time. So I'm out with him pretty much every single day doing at least one walk. And then what else? I don't know, just other little, little cool things that are coming up. I'm kind of in my embrace anything year, 2025. I said any opportunity that comes up, I'm going to do it. So I got to go to Notre Dame and talk to some students there about Survivor.

That was so fun. I saw that. Yes, it was amazing. I before this year, I probably would have said, oh, I don't know. But I'm like, no, I'm going to do it. And then I did. I was the keynote speaker at an event here in Seattle. So I just been embracing just doing all the things.

Well, I love that for you. And I wonder how many other things you're gonna get asked to do now after you said that. I don't know. My DMs are open. My email's open. Yeah. Call me.

Okay, all right. Well, let's get into some Survivor 48. And you know, I had recently, I had watched one of your videos this week where you talked about how the situation with the idol of Just to go back to it because it's you know, it's Monday We're recording this people may not remember Wednesday so great but Eva won the challenge and they had the place settings at the

Reward and at first it looked like people like oh wait, did they just put it in front of Eva? and they had the place settings at the reward. And at first it looked like people were like, oh wait, did they just put it in front of Eva? But then the clue said, hey, or congratulations, you won the challenge, so you get the clue for the idol. And so you made a video this week and you talked about how that was something that you really did not care for.

Yes, correct. I wanna say first of all, that I'm seeing a lot of hate online towards Eva specifically. And everyone should understand, Eva did not choose to be given this advantage, whatever it may be. So I do think that that has been a little disappointing

because we should really be looking at production, if anything. So I just wanted to say that. But the reason that I don't like it, and I'm going to do my best to explain it, and hopefully you'll stick with me and follow along. So in other situations where there are advantages or idols placed, let's say it's at camp or at a challenge,

typically, if someone doesn't have a clue and it's kind of a free for all, we would know that that has already been placed by production, right? Like we would know it's already been placed, there's already an opportunity for it. The reason I'm not a huge fan of the one at the taco reward is that I do feel like it opens up the question of

they could have potentially not placed it depending who won. Like there's just more of kind of a selectivity, I guess. And so that's where I kind of start, you know, asking the questions. I obviously know that they have planned this ahead of time. They have the schedule. But just for me, I just like things when I know that they were already placed even at a challenge.

I had to say, well, it's no different than Rachel getting it at the reward or at the auction, or it's no different than someone sitting out at a challenge and it's underneath the bench. And although I appreciate that conversation and I see your point, it is kind of different because when someone sits at a challenge, they may know that it's going to be at the bench. It's already been placed there and people can kind of almost strategically choose to sit out or not sit out in the hopes that it's there. Yeah. Versus being handed it. Does that kind of make sense? Like when I'm totally make sense and I thought that really it speaks to in my mind that the entire purpose of the hidden immunity idol and

that's why I was so excited to be talking to you, especially this week, because I feel like that the way that, of course, your famous Hidden Immunity Idol play in Second Chances was the epitome of how fans, I think, see the idol as an opportunity for here somebody who's on the outside, who has an opportunity to really flip the game and change things because they find the hidden immunity idol and so in this case in this particular instance where you had the person who won the challenge and yes So an underdog might go on to win the challenge But just so happens that the majority in this season happens to be the people that are winning the challenges. So it makes it even harder for there to be that moment where somebody that we're rooting for at the bottom

is able to get the hidden immunity idol and ultimately change what's happening in the game. Yes, that's another part of it that I did not like that I expressed in that video is that it does feel like the people that are strong are getting stronger and the people that are weak are getting weaker because not only that the people that lost had to go do this game which people are comparing to Mario Party or some Mario game. I don't know. Do you know do you play any Mario Party? I do not play Mario Party.

I played Mario Kart quite often when I was younger, but not Mario Party. Yeah. I played Mario Kart quite often when I was younger, but not Mario Party. Yeah. So. Mario Party is a little bit of a source subject for me because I, that it's fun and I play it with my kids and I just bought them the fricking new one

and we never, they never play it. Mario Party Jamboree. We played it one time. Did they just not like it? Is it not as good as the other ones? They'd rather play other games. I bought it so we could all play it together because we play four players and not interested. Wait, what do they like to play? What's their game of choice? Well, we just went to see the Minecraft movie. So Minecraft has made a really big comeback in the last couple of weeks. Okay, fun.

Do they play that game where they, I'm not a gamer, I'm sorry everyone, where they drop the 100 people in the little land? Fortnite? Yeah, see? See how quickly you knew what I was talking about? My older son is more in the Fortnite, but my younger son, he liked the other Mario games,

but now he's very much into the Minecraft. Okay, got it. Yeah. Video games. Well, that's okay. Maybe they'll get into it eventually. Maybe. And if nothing else, it's just, you know, can you do like on, can you sell it back or take it back? I don't want to sell it back.

I just want to like, okay, this is like a fun thing that, okay, we're all playing the game together. But we played the survivor card. Have you played the survivor card game? No, because I was not gifted the survivor card game. And so if I'm not gifted it, I'm not going to go buy it. Who am I gonna play it with? I don't have kids.

It's just me and my husband. Shouldn't you be one of the cards in the survivor card game? Well, no. It's okay. Okay, well... It's because I'm too open about Survivor. I'm a little too opinionated about Survivor, I think, now these days. So I don't think that my face would be on a card game.

Maybe prior to you getting the wig, maybe you were in more consideration. But no, we had a bad outcome with the survivor card game recently. And it really was, it's still being fought about at my house. Wait, can you elaborate? Because you can't just leave me on that. Because my wife, once again, she tried to do the hey kids, be in an alliance with mom and vote out dad. And I wasn't having it because that we did that. That happened the first time we played.

And there were four, there was just the four of us and she got the kids and she was like, hey, everybody, let's vote out that. And here I was like, scrappy underdog Wentworth on the bottom. And this time, my mom and my brother were visiting. So there were six of us. And I was like, from the jump, I was like, I'm calling it out. I'm like, Hey, Dominic Anthony, the final two in this game, who do you think mom's taking to the end? Think about it. Think about and I really was like, okay, she's gonna play hard. And I came out swinging and I was going hard. And I'm like, you know what, Kelly, I was like you, I'm playing with my mom, my mom's not gonna vote me out, you know? I, my mom's gonna look out for me.

And I really, I was so, like, I was so angry that again, she tried to do, hey boys. Let's vote out dad It'll be fun and I and I really like undid their whole alliance to the point that my older son I flipped him and I thought he turned against his mom, but he only turned against his brother and he put like two votes on his brother during a tribal council and My younger son has not forgiven him to this day. They got into a fight, a fist fight before bedtime the other night. Oh, no, you

betrayed me in the survivor card game. Is this how you prepare your children for their eventual appearance on Survivor? I don't know. I don't know if it'll still be on by the time that they have the season that's the kids of all the Survivors. But look, I gotta get them, gotta train them. They gotta learn something. Yeah, but I think by the time they are ready to play,

the game will be like nine days long and it'll be like 12 people. Literally the Survivor card game. So truly, I think that you're really prepping them correctly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I was really, it was a great, I played an idol in the survivor card game. I got to feel what it must've been like for you.

Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, it's just probably very similar. Wait, is it actually fun though? You can be honest. I think it is. The survivor card game is pretty fun. Yeah, I think you need, I think, I would say play with more than four people,

but it was pretty fun. Okay, that's good. Who did you play as? I don't remember which team. Like basically you get two people per color. I don't remember who I have. Okay, so you don't get to play as one specific person? Yeah, you basically, you get a team and you have two people that are on your team. I don't

remember. I want to say maybe I was, maybe I was Jeremy and Natalie. Oh, great duo. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We approve of that. The old Unabu crew. Yeah. Yeah. Great tribe really. Looking back. Looking back. Yeah. A lot of tribe really. Yeah. Looking back. Looking back. Yeah, a lot of all stars there. A lot of all stars. Yeah, I love it. Well, we went off.

I'm sorry. We had to do it. We had to talk about it. But you were talking about the that it all started because you mentioned that the game that they played on the journey was like Mario Party. Oh, right. Yes. So, okay, so back to it.

So the people that are on the bottom, and we can't, you don't know in individual immunity challenges who is going to win it, right? But we can speculate based on the last two challenges, who's going to win, especially when it's something to do with strength. And I know that I also just didn't even really like the way they did it, something to do with strength.

And I know that I also just didn't even really like the way they did it where they only had four of the polls and then you had to get into these two things. I feel like we haven't had anything kind of normal Survivor since the merge. And that's one of the other things I just get a little bit annoyed with in this new era. But yeah, so we have Star goes and Mitch goes and Camilla goes and Shaheen goes and star loses her vote.

And so now any chance that we could have had the, I say air quotes weaker, I don't think they're weaker but I'm just calling it strong versus weak. The weaker side wants to do something. They now have just been knocked down another notch. Like there's just another thing now they have to worry about. So yeah, I just wasn't a fan of it in that sense. And I also don't feel like, like, because for me,

I feel like you should have to work to get the advantages with the idols. Even if that means it's hidden at, like last season was Saul, right? It was right by him. It was a hilarious scene. He was just like burping and sleeping. And we were like, get it, you've gotta get it.

But anyone could have gotten that. And he was not assigned to sit there. Anyone could have sat there. So it was kind of just a luck of the draw. So I- Yeah, and that was the advantage that was the safety without power that saved Rachel. So that wasn't even like,

it wasn't even really an advantage for him. He just found something that was like, they did the split tribal council and he got an advantage that was going to have an impact on the other tribes tribal council. So it wasn't even like a real advantage. Yeah. Okay. Well, fair enough. Yeah. All right. I just, in terms of, you know, this, this one,, I think it just really spoke to,

I think that it's not the right way to use an advantage. And we don't even know what the advantage is gonna be. It could be something that's not super powerful. It could be anything in the new era. It could be something completely new we've never seen before. So we're going to see. Did you see the preview for next week or the little...

There was kind of a... Someone puts out the information about the next episode, like the text that they put out. What did you see? It basically says that I think Eva gets caught. Oh, I didn't know about that. I think. Sorry, when does this come out? Is this a spoiler? You can go look it up. I mean, yeah, it's not a spoiler if it's a commercial, but I try not to. It wasn't a commercial.

It was the text. Where they explain what the next episode is about. Where it says, castaways go on a journey and there's going to be, yeah. So it didn't say that she is caught, but it definitely implied that. Okay. All right, well, we'll see what happens with that.

I mean, also, I wanted to ask you about this all strong people. It's not technically all guys alliance, but it's kind of like the big strong guys are getting together. And I was thinking a little bit about in Survivor Second Chance. And that was a kind of an alliance that was coming together where Jeremy had his meat shields of guys that he wanted to keep around in the game who were kind of keeping him insulated. In addition, you had Jeremy and Savage and Joe

that were like all people that were sort of like in the core of that. And then ultimately, your idle play really does shake that up. But that was definitely not the first time that we've seen this on before on Survivor. No, but I was having flashbacks. I really was. It was very similar because in Cambodia, it was a bigger group that was sticking together. And then you had the weaker people on the other side of things. So it did feel

very similar. And I will say, I think that in that situation, David is Savage. Okay. Joe is Jeremy. Okay. So we have Eva. Eva's probably like a Kelly Wigglesworth or something. She was very strong. Yes. Who else? Joe would be probably like Kyle. Oh, the other Joe. Other Joe. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

Second chance. And then it stops there. But it definitely felt very familiar. And I almost feel like we needed something like that to shake this up. Because here's what I have to say. I see a lot of people that are just mad about this alliance in general. I'm not mad about the alliance. They are doing exactly what they have to say. I see a lot of people that are just mad about this alliance in general.

I'm not mad about the alliance. They're doing exactly what they need to do, and creating an alliance on strength is totally fine. They should absolutely do that. I guess thinking on it, my issue is going back to a couple episodes ago, when we had had the split not the first one after the merge, but the split groups the two groups Why didn't you do something then because specifically on the tribe that had Joe and Eva and

Whoever else was there you had like a Mitch star and say say thank What were you doing? You had a known duo right there that is in a strong group. And even say said it, that we should be looking at Eva and nobody did anything. So really, you only have yourself to blame at this point. So I asked Chrissy that that was one of my first questions for her when I did the exit interview. And according to Chrissy and, you know, David was pushing back on some of the things that Chrissy said. So I don't know. It's like a little bit of, you know, who knows what the actual story is. But Chrissy said that she said that Se went off with Eva and Se came back and said,

I won't write down Eva's name. And then Joe had immunity. And so for Chrissy, I think she felt like that she did not have those other options. Okay, so then you make up a lie and you figure out a way to still get rid of Eva. That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

Especially for Say, she went home. So what was, it's just, it's, I do think this season the editing is a little bit confusing. And one example of that is the Mary David relationship. What's going on here? How'd they become, I wanted to drop a, since when? Since when?

And because it's not like they're just kind of close. They are being shown as a strong duo. They were as a pair trying to drive a vote together against Camilla. That is not just like, oh, we're bringing Mary in as another number. They're like, they're like Joe and Eva. They're a duo. So I'm sorry, I was so mad editing like that is beyond. And then someone wrote a comment on one of my videos saying, oh, there was a secret scene where they talked about naming the tribe milk and how it was kind of David and saying, oh, there was a secret scene where they talked about naming the tribe milk and how it was kind of David and Mary.

Yeah, but secret scenes mean nothing to the general audience. We're not watching those. So you can't depend on a secret scene for me to try and understand something. Yeah. It's very confusing. It is confusing. That's my rant.

And I feel like that on social media, I feel like Mary was saying that she didn't even want to name the tribe milk. That was very confusing. Yeah. But she's secretly like a big David person. David, yeah. Interesting.

So, okay. Because I always try to play nice, you know? So I don't care about the strong person alliance. I totally get it. It makes sense to me. They're doing what they need to do. I just think we as viewers are finding it not that interesting because we're used to big moves,

blind sides. We like that. We'd like to see the underdog do something. Like the fact that this was a unanimous vote against Chrissy at final 10. No, no, I'm not a fan of that. I'm not. I want something. So yeah. Well, what can somebody like Mitch do in this situation? Because I know people were like, you know, Mitch do something.

And he was saying on Twitter, well, we don't have the numbers. Like what can you do when, you know, if you don't have an idol, he played his advantage last week. I don't really put this on Mitch, this particular vote. I put this on Kyle and I love Kyle. I'm a big Kyle fan. I've said it. I could see Kyle at the end.

I thought Kyle was in a good position for a long time there. But for me, if I'm Kyle and why I need to backtrack for a second. How do people not know that Kyle and Camilla are a pair? Because Joe and Shaheen were at that tribe where they did the little thing with the idol. It's a Thomas. Why is this a secret? I don't know. I guess maybe they're doing a really good job

of like when the other one's not around, like, oh my God, I hate Kyle so much. You know who sucks? Camilla, oh my God. And maybe they're just doing a really good job of throwing everybody off. Something feels off. Yeah.

It's strange. It is strange because everybody thinks for some reason, starting with Mary, that, hey, you know who Camilla's really tight with? Ooh! Shayene! And so we need to get rid of Camilla so Mary feels comfortable with Shayene.

Oh, sorry. Yeah. Um, that also the editing a little off. Very confusing. What happened to loyalty? What happened to that? They're trying to weaken Shaheen by taking down Camilla. I thought they were, I thought they were all about integrity. Yeah.

What's up with that? What's up with that? What's up with that? What's Shaheen ever do to you, David? Yeah. But I guess Kyle's also going against Shaheen. It's just, it's a little confusing this season. Yeah. But back to Kyle.

Yeah, tell me about Kyle. But back to Kyle. I feel like if you're Kyle and you really are going against the group because you want to keep Camilla, I feel like you have to make a decision at this point. Just my opinion. You're either going to go with Camilla and kind of roll with the other side, or you're going to go with the strong group. Because I feel like

the way he pushed back so much, it's just going to put him in a bad position with the strong group. So it's like, you might as well just start creating a new alliance with the other group, with Camilla. That's just my opinion. Because it's like, you might as well just start creating a new alliance with the other group, with Camilla. That's just my opinion. Because it's like, what, I mean, how do you feel about that? Cause I just, I didn't quite- No, I think, right. I think that this might be the week that they have to do that.

Understand it. Because there's, there's, that was 10. If they have five where it's Joe, Eva, I don't know if Shaheen is ready to flip. And then David and Mary, they have five, Star lost her vote, so it's still only four to go and that they're not gonna be able to flip it on this vote. Now with Star getting her vote back and Chrissy being gone,

I think that there is that world where if Shaheen will flip with them, they could make that move this week, but will Shaheen flip on Joe? Ugh. I don't know. That's a great question. Do you think that Shaheen truly believes that Joe would pick him over Eva? I don't think so. So what are you doing? He looks to me that he's trying to pick up the people that are on the bottom. Like we've seen Shaheen talk with Se and look at this big guy.

Oh, this is Cash. Yeah. If you're listening to the podcast, a cameo from Cash. This is Cash. Yeah. OK, thank you. He probably wants dinner. OK, thank you so much. I love you. OK is Cash, yeah. Okay, thank you. He probably wants dinner. Okay, thank you so much.

I love you. Okay, bye bye. Bye bye, thank you. But for, I think that he is working on Star, we've seen in the past. Yeah. Is everything okay? My dogs.

It's, you know, when you have to get on a very important call, do your kids do this? Well, I guess you have your studio, so probably not. No, they do. They come up here and they will like hand me notes in the podcast. Yeah, like they're like, oh, daddy's doing something important

and now would be the time to want to play Mario Party. You know, that kind of thing like that. We didn't want to play it for the past week, but tonight, yeah, when he's doing something, that's kind of how my dogs are. So they're out there, they're behaving, but they were just having a little moment of good. Yeah. And dad left to go get groceries for dinner. That is my husband.

Yeah. Okay, good. Not Dale. But their dad went to get groceries. And so there think it was Dale. Not Dale. Yeah. Not Dale. But their dad went to get groceries and so there's no one here to monitor them. And so they see that mom is busy talking and so, cool, this is an opportunity to just go totally wild. Yeah.

That's what they're doing. So hopefully they'll stop. Yeah. But I also think that part of it is an issue with the new era where it's only like 24 hours from the last tribal council and that I don't know if there's always enough time to get something going that they don't really have, especially when this day was all about that they did the split tribal council and they were in two different groups. Then they come back for the group.

They go to sleep, they wake up the morning, they go to the challenge and they were in two different groups. Then they come back for the group, they go to sleep, they wake up the morning, they go to the challenge, and they split up into all these different teams. And then you have four people that went to tacos, four people that went to go lose their vote, two people back on the beach. And then what do they have, like an hour before tribal council, if that? It's ridiculous.

So that's- To lockdown, they probably have an hour till lockdown. Yeah, it's tough to figure out how to like dismantle this thing if you're Kyle. Yeah, I guess. I'm trying not to be too hard because you know, I always... There's so much that happens that we don't see, so I understand that. But some things just aren't making sense. But I do think some of it has to do with the editing. I do think that. Leaving has to do with the editing. Yeah. I do think that.

Leaving out some key information for us. Kelly, what's your take on Club Condo? Well, I know that you have a Club Condo. We do have a Club Condo. Did you ever hear Jeff mention Club Co in any of your survivor playing days? Not one single time. Have I ever heard of this before? Yeah.

No, I'm not really sure. He's really, sometimes with Jeff, I feel like he does get a phrase or he kind of rolls with this theme sometimes as an example in second chance. It was very much like the voting blocks, which once that term came out, it was like being, being, being every tribal council. That is what we are going to be talking about. And I kind of feel like that's club condo, but it doesn't really, it's not really anything. I don't know what's going on. You had a club condo centric video recently. Yeah. And I was Jeff and I said, don't act like you don't know what it is.

It was obviously a joke. Yeah. It's like, don't ask dumb questions. Everyone knows what club condo is. Yeah. No, no one has a single clue. And here's what I did. Hey, sorry. The dog, there they go. There they go. I, I thought that I was the one who was an idiot. You got gaslit. I did and I Googled it. I was like club condo,

not a damn thing under club condo. Yeah. I don't think it's a real thing. I think that it's something that maybe Jeff and his friends used to talk about. And then like, he's like brought it to the world, but I don't think that this was like a widely used phrase. Like, I don't think it was just sort of like, Oh no. In the eighties, everybody said club condo.

I don't, I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah. I've never, not one single time have I heard that apparently it was mentioned in another season. So I think it was with Franny. Yes. He mentioned club condo and I, it might have been even earlier if there's another mention of it. Because he also said with full tilt boogie, which he's also said in the past. Right. He has said that. Yeah. But do you think that Club Kondo will become like one of the signature catchphrases of the show? I hope not. You're not here for it?

No. It's a little too try hard. It's not really kind of flowing naturally. Feels like it's been made up and is being forced into the conversation. Do you agree with the analogy about Survivor being like a house party where some people are doing one dance over here and then other people are doing a different dance over here? Cause I can't dance.

Yeah, no, me either. I don't do karaoke. That's not my thing. So I'm usually right at the punch bowl and I hope it's spiked. I'm running straight for it. Where's the bar? Yeah. No karaoke at all. I'm not a big karaoke girl.

I don't I don't like to sing like that in front of other people because I don't have a good voice. Do you have a good voice? I think I have fun doing karaoke. And yeah, I do. But I don't know. I don't have as much fun like doing it like as a

performance like for other people like I would have more fun. We have a karaoke machine at the house. It's nothing that fancy. It's basically it's just like a speaker with a microphone but then we put on the videos on YouTube. What? You can do all the karaoke songs are on YouTube. Oh, you. Oh, oh, gosh. I thought you meant you recorded yourselves But like on the YouTube, on the Apple TV, like we'll put on like the YouTube video of the thing. And that will also create some fighting over who got to go, whose turn it is.

But that is one of my favorite family activities. Okay, do you have a go-to karaoke song? Never, I'll do anything. I don't care. But the problem is that all the songs they know are old. And so it's another opportunity for everybody to say, Dad is old. You're only old if you feel old, bro. I don't feel that old, but I get told I more get told that I'm old, more than I feel old. Do you get ID'd anytime you go out? I do, but I think it's more because I have to. Like, I don't feel like anybody's confused about whether or not I get ID'd.

But I think that because sometimes I think that they'll be like, yeah, it's like, well, we have to. Like, I don't think nobody's getting tricked that they think I'm like 19. Okay. Trying to buy Nicole's Prosecco at the store. Got it. Okay. So they'll kind of look at it and do the scan.

Like you can tell they didn't even look at the birthday. Like it was just like the courtesy. You had to get it out of your wallet, take the time. That you gave it to them and they just did the little, you know, they kind of scanned it. Sometimes at Sam's Club, Kelly, I feel like that they'll just like, they just punch in any number. They don't even, they didn't even look at my thing.

They're like 1962. Whatever. Like it's fine, it doesn't matter. Wherever their fingers go first on the keyboard. They just put it like their own birthday. Right. They do do it quite quickly. Sometimes I think there's no way that you looked at that

and put in the number that fast. I don't think so. That fast. Yeah. You must get ID'd, right? For the courtesy ID, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And then we do that thing where my husband are like, oh, wow. Yeah, we're old. Yeah. The fact that we're just doing that alone means that you don't need to do ideas. The fact that we're just doing that alone means that you don't need to do ideas. Yeah. But look, I'm gonna still be, if they do check, I'm still happy.

Yeah, I guess. I'll take it. I'll take any little win at this point. Yeah. Really. Yeah, I'll take it. Kelly, do you have any other standout characters that you are enjoying watching this season? Well, there are some people I really enjoy. But Star needs more screen time. What's going on there? I feel like that Star is a big personality. I feel like they felt like, okay, we have a casting home run.

I just feel like she's not involved in the game. I feel like they don't have any way to... I'd be surprised if we're here, oh, Star had this going on, Star had this alliance. I just feel like people are like, okay, she's not really part of it and And they're not, you know, this that we're talking about how little time there is. She's just so far out of the power structure. I just don't think that people are really paying attention to her.

That's so unfortunate because the little moments that we have seen of Star, she's been fantastic. Such a bright light. I know that sounds cheesy because you know, Star, but she's just Amazing very funny and unintentionally funny. Yeah, which is great. That's hard to find someone when she threw the marker like that was great But that's what I mean. Yeah That's the problem. I know you don't like it when they lose their vote But then when she especially lost her vote this week, it was like she was at the bottom and she lost her vote

It was just like okay. Well, you're not even a person. You're not, you know, what do we even have to, we don't even have to talk to you. That's true. But I felt like that with that entire side, which does make me kind of feel like, I'm gonna say it here and I could be wrong. I'm fine.

I'm wrong quite often. Because there was such a focus on that large group this week and the other side really didn't. The dad's home now, so he's he's got a handle. He's got a handle. Yeah. So I didn't because we didn't see really anything from the other group. It kind of makes me feel like could the strong five actually. Dismantle this week?

Like could someone go home? I could see it. I could see it. Like almost last week we were kind of prepping us, like, you know, David and, and David and Kyle have some issues. And then we see Kyle and Joe are talking and they're kind of speaking about how David was losing it

a little bit and maybe a little too over the top.top like is it possible that the editing was trying to tell us that Something's gonna happen this week with them. Or was it just there's nothing else going on? I feel like something's gonna happen I feel like it's going that I think that they were that the strong five will have losses along the way Like I think that either David or Mary will go And I also feel very strongly that I think that either Joe and Eva or Kyle and Camilla will ultimately be like the dominant pair and one of them will win the game.

Do you agree with that thought that one of the pairs is gonna win out? Yes, I do think that. Do you have a strong feeling about which pair you think will be the one that wins this battle? I kind of feel like it's Joe and Eva. I just feel like Kyle and Camilla. It's so I can't dismiss them. I'm not dismissing them. I'm not dismissing them. I just feel like there's been no heat. Oh gosh, I'm sorry.

I keep like moving my table. I'm sorry. You're fine. There has been no heat on Eva and Joe, even though they're a very obvious pair, even though Eva has an idol. No one's wanted to do anything. What happened with Star and Eva? What happened there? When Star gave the idol to Eva? I thought that star said I have I have a new a

New a new alliance member. I have a new person when we working with that was just so that was all a trick Star said that even didn't say that She said I she said I have an idol and now I have a new relationship with Star and we're gonna work together. That was like three days ago, Kelly. That was four tacos ago, come on. Easy come, easy go. Okay, well, yeah, whatever, that's fine.

Tribal lines are over. It's the strong five. Is Star in the strong five? No, or the strong six six well she I mean strong seven Strong seven yeah, so yeah, I don't know how it's going to ultimately Shake up, but I do feel like that. I think I think this is gonna like all come to a head this week I think so, too That's what I'm saying

I feel like they for a very straightforward vote and not really seeing a lot about what the other side was thinking. Like we should have seen something from Mitch who was close with Chrissy about like, okay, like I have to vote for Chrissy. I guess they still wanted some sort of element of surprise at tribal council. They wanted the audience probably thinking

that it was Chrissy or Camilla, which annoys me sometimes. Cause I'm like, don't try and fool me. So that makes me think that something's going to happen within that group and they were showing us all of that. Yeah, I do think that that is one of the things that is annoying about Survival. And I know it's television, but I kind of get mad

that I feel like that, you know, we only have so much time to watch this show and we only have so much like time of like, of getting to see what happens. And like half of the stuff they show us is like a lie to trick us to think that a different thing is going to happen. I just want to know what's really happening. Like, I don't need to always then have like half of the show be a lie to trick me to something else that's not really going to happen.

Because they want you to believe everything's a blind side, but it's really not a blind side. Sometimes it's not that close, but Kelly, when you watch the Seahawks game, they don't make it seem like everyone comes down to the last play if they're winning 34 to seven. Exactly right. That's exactly right, Rob.

Except, okay, this one wasn't close. You know that well, being a Jets fan, you know, so. Hey, I was going to ask you about how excited you were for Sam Darnold. Who? No, just kidding. Oh, you're not excited. That's how excited I am. You're not excited?

Well. Did you love Gino? A different extra? Okay, hold on. I wouldn't say I loved Gino necessarily, but I do feel a bit of disappointment that pretty much the entire offense fell apart. Mm-hmm.

D.K. Metcalf gone. Yes. Okay. Tyler Lockett gone. Mm-hmm. Okay. Gino Smith gone. What are we doing?

I have season tickets and I can't skip a year. Like I can't be like, oh, this is a bad year. I'm going to skip because then I get booted all the way back to the line. And I waited 10 years to get season tickets. So now it's just, they just have me like handcuffed. Like you're going to pay these prices for these tickets, even if we're bad. About the receivers. But I would be excited for Sam Darnold. He came into his own.

I mean, look, that Sam Darnold was like that. We didn't do right by Sam Darnold. It wasn't like, you know, that he was, we drafted him and he was a boss. They didn't have anything going when he was on the Jets. And then he bounced around and then he went to San Francisco. And then he had a really good year last year in Minnesota. And now, yeah, you're sort of like,

he's coming out of like, you know, a bunch of different situations and he might be ready to shine. I'll give anyone a chance. Give him a chance. We'll see. Yeah, I think he's gonna be fun. Okay, well, Rob, if we lose our first five games, I will absolutely be texting you.

Will you be drafting him in fantasy football? Tell me that. I probably, like if I was in a two quarterback league, I think I would have him in the second quarterback. That's exactly. I think you just made... I think he's better than Gino. And I did have Gino in fantasy last year. Oh, what? No, Gino had a good year. Yeah, I know. I won the championship. So, OK, exactly.

But he was my second quarterback. He wasn't my number one quarterback. Who was your number one? Lamar Jackson. OK, OK. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Well. And I beat Jeremy in the fantasy championship. Ooh.

Wow. By a lot or a little? I think it's by a little. Well, Jeremy is one survivor. So, you know, he's got to give you something. You think that he's satisfied of winning survivor, that he's not going to be pulling out every stop to try to win fantasy? No, but he's got to give you one. In like seven different fantasy leagues?

I know, he does play a lot of fantasy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, the nice thing for me is that my older son, he's very into it. And that he does help me. I told Jeremy that recently and he said that I was cheating. Why? Why doesn't he have Remy help him? Oh my gosh. He's got a whole team

of kids that he could ask for help. Absolutely. You think I have time to be studying all these wide receivers when I got to watch Survivor five times a week. OK, you know, it's not not during the survivor off season. Oh, man. Well, maybe you could just get forty nine. Yeah, skip forty nine. Is anyone excited for forty nine with 50 on the horizon? Not really. What if forty nine is like the greatest season ever, Kelly? After this season? What do you think?

A tough bar to live up to? No. You played on season 29, where you're saying like, oh, nobody's going to care about season 29. They're only going to care about season 30. Well, different situation. Because Jeff said about season 30, he said that, hey, it's our 30th season, but it's only our 30th season.

Oh, OK. What's he saying about 50? It's going to be in the hands of the fans. Did you see that? You see that flag? You see that logo? I feel like I feel like one of your sons could have crafted that together. Maybe they did. Yeah, Kelly, you played in the ultimate season that was in the hands of the fans. I did. Why haven't we done that again?

That's fun. Second chance too. Let the fans decide. You all left for second chances that I was like, wow, they're going to do this. They're probably going to do this again every year. I thought it seemed like it was such a hit and they never did it again. I know, why is that? I don't know. Is it because they had to flip the Co-Rong and this?

But I mean, season 50, they're not making it like that you're voting on things during Survivor 48. It's like a whole, like in Cambodia, you were voting during season 30 and it was gonna be the next season They had to flip things around. This is like you said I'm gonna be on for a year. We're voting on what does the necklace look like? Listen there's nothing that gets me more excited What so what I've always dreamed of yes, yes What I've always dreamed of. Yes, yes.

Did you vote on any of the different things for season 50? Well, I'm going to be honest. Yes, I reported on all three of the voting session cycles, whatever we want to call it. The first one, I was excited. You know why, Rob? They gave me and all the rest of us the option to vote on the live reunion. I was so excited in that group. They also had the fire

making. They had rice or no rice. These are decent things in my opinion. I thought it was only going to get better. And then you give me tribe colors. That was in the first one. The buff color was in the first one. That was in the second one. It was? I thought the buff colors was in the first one. I think the second one was, what challenge

do you want at the final four? Oh, Mike. I didn't even know two of them. What were they? At least give me a link to a YouTube clip. I had no clue. I had people messaging me, what is this? Babe, I don't know.

Doesn't look like anything I've seen before. Yeah. I think in the second one, they have the one, the question about like, do you want a lot of twists or not that many twists or? But did, okay. So then they basically asked the same question the third time around, but it was advantages instead of twists. I think so. But then they worded it

in such a ridiculous way on the website. To try and confuse the audience, you know, it's like got my my aunt over here who has no clue what's going on. She's reading it like, oh, I don't know. I guess I'm, it's like, why are you doing this? You know? Yeah. It's confusing.

Just put the question. On whether to say club condo anymore or not. Should that be on the poll? Jeff would never. You know what might be on the next one? What? We get to vote on the color of Jeff's shirts. Oh, should Jeff wear a black shirt or a blue shirt?

Don't care. Mm hmm. Yeah. But. I feel like with the immunity idol or the immunity necklaces, I feel like they could, couldn't they have given us like five options? It's like such a binary choice. Like this one or this one?

No, it's two. One or the other. You get one choice. And one was clearly superior. Mm hmm. Looked like Hunger Games, which I was kind of into. Yeah. But it just does nothing to the game.

I just don't care. Yeah. But I guess they can only, I really am being harsh on them. They can only do so many things. What else are we gonna vote on? Oh, I know what we could vote on. We could vote on a final two or final three. We could vote on, do we want a tribe swap

or not a tribe swap? Do we want, what else? I'm trying to think of a top five. I think that that was a question that was in one of them, is you want a tribe swap. Oh, was it? Oh, I don't remember. We could vote on, here's one, here's a hot topic.

Individual jury questions or open jury format. Yeah, here's a big one. Two tribes or three tribes? Thank you. Love it. I understand we can't do 39 days, but why can't we do two tribes? I'm begging. I'm exhausted, Rob.

Yeah. I'm so, I can't, it is, I, it's so rinse and repeat for me at this point. It's the same thing. Like we're going to do the, yep, here we go. We're going to do the three. And then sometimes we get a swap. What? Wait, hold on. What's the deal with this auction thing? They can only do an auction every other season because it takes too many resources.

Like you could put one piece of cheese and a cracker on a plate. And people will spend a thousand dollars on that. So what's that about? Well, they have to make the auction very complicated complicated Kelly. They have to hide all the money. It's ridiculous. Should there be an auction in season 50? Yes. Yes, you vote for yes. Absolutely. Survivor classic.

Anytime the auction, well, um, auction is not so great anymore because the format is stupid. Mm-hmm. Did you ever get to do an auction? No, no. So disappointed. But I did get to eat a scorpion. So same that you ate the scorpion when they did the, the gross foods in bring back a food eating challenge. Yeah.

We did the trivia challenge with the trivia challenge. Which one is the trivia challenge? Like the the nighttime the one that you guys did yeah yeah that was good we don't do that anymore I don't do any of that yeah did you do the challenge that Jeff said was the most iconic challenge ever which was the get a grip stand on a pole challenge challenge. Did you ever have that? No, never had that. How would you do on that? Are you standing on a small piece of wood? I think you're like, kind of like hugging

a big piece of wood. Oh, the one we just saw? Yeah, yes. Oh no, I never did that. Yeah. How would you do? I would probably be horrible at that. I get really saw. Yeah, yes. Oh no, I never did that. Yeah. How would you do? I would probably be horrible at that. Yeah.

I get really sweaty. Yeah. So I'd probably slip. You know, they showed pictures of like, when Parvati went for like, you know, four hours or whatever, and she was kind of just like standing there. And Jeff said this week about how like,

they, hey, we made it so much harder for people. There's not even a foothold for people. Yeah, because they don't want to sit there for 12 hours. That's the truth. Yeah. They don't. They want it to be over and done. So they make it harder and harder.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I would have been very good at this. I mean, you probably could have given me all the footholds. I don't think I would have been very good at this. I mean, you probably could have given me all the footholds. I don't think it was going to happen for me. No. Are you good at word puzzles? I think I'm pretty good at like, the one thing that I felt like that I had in the bag was that they had in Survivor the Amazon, it was like find the hidden words in the puzzle with like a piece of chalk. And that was like the most I was ever in my element.

That was it. Okay. I got this. Yeah, that's good. Okay. That was like, I felt never. I was like, okay, this is like the one thing that's in my wheelhouse. I've got this.

I got this. Like give me the chalk. Let's go. I hate chalk. I'm this like give me the chalk. Let's go. I Hate chalk. I'm not a big chalk fan either. Okay, does it make you kind of like tingle like it gets a little shivers? No, you know, I'm like scratches the chalkboard general Yeah, I can't yeah just the thought of that. I can't do that. Yeah. I don't even think that they still have chalk in any classrooms. Really? I don't think so.

Wow. I ask my kids, I feel like they have just like dry erase board everywhere. They definitely don't wheel in the TV. They all have a TV already? They're not wheeling in the TV. You know that. I think my wife asked the other day,

do they ever still use the overhead projector? Thank you. Yes. Yeah. No, they can't. You don't think so? I don't think so. You think they do? I guess maybe, is it too low tech? Yeah, I think they don't do that anymore.

Yeah, I don't even know how they got like, the teacher would have like a piece of plastic with like the notes on it. I don't even know how they do that the teacher would have like a piece of plastic with like the notes on it. I don't even know how they do that. Yeah, they would have to write it out and then they'd put it on and it would project. Yeah. They put like the plastic into like the photocopier. No, they would do they would hand write out the notes.

I feel like there are lots of things they would have like where maybe I'm dreaming of this like where the print was like on the piece of plastic and they would be like writing on that. Really? I don't know. I don't remember that. I feel like I remember handwritten. Yeah, wow. We really really are old aren't we? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I've got you beat by a bit. But once you get to a certain age, it's all the same. I guess so. Is that what Jeff should have done at the Cambodia Final Tribal Council when he tried to explain how the no votes tribal council worked? Should he have had like an overhead projector? No. That wouldn't have been as good?

The chalk was fine. I think he had a marker. Oh, it was a marker. Yeah, you right. It was a marker. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I want to ask you something from one of your previous seasons where Jeff recently talked about how was asked about, I think that this came up on the on fire podcast, which I'm sure you check out every week. But there was a question about that. Jeff was asked about, hey, how come you all don't have challenges where people are fighting anymore?

They used to, people said they used to like that. And Rachel asked Jeff about, hey, you know a challenge I really like that we haven't seen in a while? Sumo at sea, where they shove each other into the water and Jeff said that it was last run in Survivor or he didn't say this, Dalton Ross added this, it was last run in season 29 San Juan del Sur and he said it was something that we noticed, the one-on-ones, and he said it was something that we noticed, the one-on-ones, they got into something really primal

inside and it became a little bit more like people got angry, like I'm gonna knock you off, and it added a layer of dynamic that is compelling, but it's gonna take your game in a certain direction, it's not what we want. What do you think about that? Now as Kelly, I believe you had the winning point. I did. I believe it was your birthday. It was. And even Dale cheered from Coyopa on

the losing tribe because his birthday girl got the winning point against Jaclyn, right? Yeah, that's true. That's all true. That's not made up. Yeah. So it was my second time going up against her. And the first time I lost. And so I realized that just height difference, there's no way that I could take her. So I had to get low. So I basically just dropped like I was like a little little turtle. Yeah, it's like, you know, waiting, waiting, waiting. And then she kept trying to get low. So I basically just dropped like I was like a little little turtle. Yeah. It's like, you know, waiting, waiting, waiting. And then she kept trying to get me and she couldn't because I just held my ground there like I was a rock. And then I seized my moment. Once I got her down. Did you notice anything primal going on from the other players? Well, I think primal in the sense that yeah,, when you're going one to one, head to head against somebody and you're a competitive person. Yeah, of course, you kind of.

You do get very competitive, but I don't think it was like dangerous in any way or anything like that. or anything like that. Were you on the mat when drew Christie said, let's go Josh. And then he had to get corrected. That actually read is on our team. I'm sure I was drew, drew did a lot of funny John actually read our tri-frame. That's because drew was too busy sleeping. I had no idea what was going on. Who was there? Just me. You know, just me. Yeah. I was the easy one. And then also that Missy made Baylor bleed. Oh, I don't remember that. some things I block out of my memory. Baylor said, Hey mom, pretend I'm one of the X's and then, then Mickey hit her too hard. Isn't that great TV though? Don't we want that? I don't know. Jeff doesn't like it. No more sumo at sea.

Only mud. No, well that, that was it. Oh yeah. Yes. He wants that. They had sumo in the mud in heroes versus villains. Yeah, that was dangerous. Some of in the mud in Heroes vs. Villains. Yeah, that was dangerous. Some of them are a little, some of them I do feel are a little bit dangerous. One that comes to mind is they were in, I think they were down below and you had to like go against each other and get up on like a little perch and put like coconuts in a basket or something. Was that, was that also in Heroes vs Villains or was that an older season? Oh, Shmergan Brawl. Ah, is that it? Yeah. Well, they had it in Samoa and they had it in Survivor Heroes vs Villains. And both times like people

got injured. That's what I'm saying. That's where James, James Hades me. Yes.upert, like body slam Jerry. Yes, exactly. So I have another one for you. What is it? In survivor Cambodia, when you're in the water and Jeff throws up the ball in the middle and people from each side have to come together and then you're pulling people down into the water.

Also very physical one. Yeah, I thought they still did that one for a while. I thought they definitely did it Millennials versus Gen X. I feel like that that was one of the last ones, too. I feel like if you're in the water, they let you wrestle a little bit. In the new era, they've never done that. No. Nothing.

Yeah. Wait. I had a thought, but I don't really want to put it out there. I wonder if some of that changed after 39. That's possible. I think that's I have a sneaky suspicion. That's probably what happened. Yeah. But do you feel like that they're missing some of like that challenges where it's like a mono E-mono type of challenges where that I feel like that that used to be a big part of Survivor in the Challenges where it's like,

all right, here's this person taking on this person. It was, of course. Yeah, I do miss it. I would love to see it. Yeah. Something. Yeah, now every challenge is a race. It's always a race with some sort of puzzle at the end or there's always something at the end.

And I feel like more than half of them are about just going through mud. It really is. And I know that you've talked about that before, but it is just like, why? It's to get birthed. They have to get birthed into a survivor. It's terrible. It's just terrible. I just don't like, I can't see who they are anymore. Especially like the first day we meet them. I don't understand who they are anymore. Especially the first day we meet them. I don't understand. It's ridiculous.

Why? I don't love it. I don't love that. I just feel like they've just run out of ideas. Like they're just like, okay, we'll just, just add the mud back in. They'll just get it really wet. Just add the mud.

That'll help. Oh, you know what, when they did this season that I did like? What? The blindfold. I love a good blindfold challenge. Did you ever do the blindfold challenge? Yes, in Cambodia.

Okay. And were you the caller or you were one of the people that were out there? I was one of the people out there and Jeff actually did mention in that challenge something about how Terry was dancing by himself. So to bring back the dancing subject, he mentioned it then. So he must really have a thing with dancing. Yeah. Terry's at Club Kondo all by himself. Exactly. He didn't use Club Kondo, but close enough. Yeah.

Kelly, can I ask you about your process in terms of like, when you're going to make a video, are you watching the episode and then like the light bulb goes off while you're watching or is it sort of like, you see what people are talking about on social media and it's like, okay, let me weigh in on this thing that's become like a big conversation. It's a little of both. So when I'm watching, I think it's easy to spot, just like when you do a podcast, right? You probably know what the hot topics are going to be.

There's just certain things that you know everyone's gonna want to have an input on. And so that's typically how I do it. Sometimes if there's something that people are talking about that I wouldn't have normally talked about, I will. But if it's not something that I am kind of interested in, then I just won't talk about it. And I try to also talk about things where I can kind of weave in my own experience. So as an example, when they were going through the bag, Kyle's bag, when Shaheen and Thomas

were going through Kyle's bag, I did a video talking about that. But then I also kind of asked the audience a question of like, where would you hide it? Because I do think when you watch Survivor, just like a lot of other shows, you are asking yourself that question. What would I do if I were there? What would I do if I were in that alliance? What would I do if I were in that challenge? How would I play my idol? How would I, where would I hide my idol?

So sometimes I like to weave in stuff like that as well, where I'm talking about a subject, but then I'm also asking like, hey, like where, you know, how would you play? How do you think you would play if you were out there? Cause I am curious to see what people say, so. Were you ever involved in a bag search situation? I really can't remember.

Yeah. Yeah. Something interesting that has happened to me. Oh, here I go again, moving my table. Something interesting is that Survivor almost feels like it didn't happen in a way. And a lot of things that happened out there, I've forgotten, whether it's been so long, or I just I do have a terrible memory to begin with. So a lot of those little things and little moments I don't remember. So I would say that I probably did or maybe even was a part of one myself, but nothing that was so

significant that I remember that moment specifically. I find that I don't really remember things that didn't happen on the television show too much. I feel like that the really that I have like recollection of the stuff that's in the TV show, but my own local memory is not that great of what happened during Survivor. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, like if I go back and watch a season, it kind of jogs my memory. I'm like, oh yeah, that did happen that way. But kind of all the little day-to-day stuff that happened and the actual experience and real life experience of being there on the beach, yeah, I just don't remember it that well. It's really strange.

It's the kind of thing where, and I'm not particularly close with any of the people that I played Survivor with, but I feel like if you could have the dinner with them, it would come back, some of that stuff. Yes, I think so. I do think so, because sometimes Lauren, my great friend Lauren O'Connell will text me something.

Yeah, and I'll be like, oh my gosh, wait, did that happen? Or even something about a challenge where she said that, Oh, do you remember before every challenge, they would take a Polaroid of us for our outfit. And I was like, I actually forgot that we did that. I literally forgot we did that. But yeah, we did. So just yeah, just all those little things. Yeah, we had gotten a Polaroid camera in the auction in the Amazon.

And I think I remember who got it. If it was, maybe it was, I don't even remember which player got the Polaroid camera, but I think that the pictures we took might've gotten burned in the fire that we had. That's so sad. It's a sad story, Kelly.

That's so sad. Wow. Yeah. Well, when I left both of my, well, really all of my seasons, I was in such a bad headspace that I can't believe I'm going to say this. I hope nobody gets mad at me. I just left my bag and my water bottle. I didn't even want them.

You know, people take those home. You left it at tribal council. I left it at Ponderosa. Oh. I just didn't, I didn't even want to, I didn't even want to bring it back with me. Was that when you had played multiple times or that was for me the first time you played I

Specifically remember I think all of them Wow. Yeah, you know, it's not terrible Just leave it leave it Tossed old piece of junk. Yeah bad memories. Yeah That's so interesting. No, it's horrible.. Now I'm sad. Why did I do that? I'm just like, that just goes to show you the headspace. The headspace that Survivor put me in. This is why I could never go back, Rob. Like, what was I thinking?

I would think that, especially when you played the second time, when that, and I know that you came up short, but it must have been like such a, a felt like even in, maybe you're just, that's like, what do you mean it felt like a victory? But I would think that like to come back and have the experience that you had in the second time that you would have wanted to keep all that stuff.

I was just so out of it that season specifically. I do remember that season and also 38. 38 just really pissed me off. Sure. The Edge of Extinction just really frustrated me because I felt like, which ended up being true, I felt like the four returnees were kind of used as an experiment for them using Edge of extinction for 40,

which I guess they didn't know they were, I guess they maybe, 40 was not supposed to be winners at war originally. I was called for that season, whatever it was going to be, and then it pivoted. So maybe they weren't going to do edge of extinction. Yeah, you know, whatever. You get that they pivot?

Were you called for that season, Rob? I was, yeah. Oh, you were? Okay, so I that season, Rob? I was, yeah. You were? Okay, so I don't know what it was going to be. But it really didn't do, like, I think it was, it was like maybe like October or whatever, the year before, and they called me, and I was like, yeah, okay, keep me posted.

And then that, like in the spring, they called me and said, okay, you're out. Like, okay, well, it was out. Like, okay, well. It was nice. Oh, that was fun. I never got to the point of where I was doing anything serious or anything like that. I was like, yes, I'll be considered.

And then it was over. Got it, yeah, it pivoted. Which I feel like we're seeing this season 50. Wow, that's, whoa, hot topic. Wow, I've been enjoying the crash outs. I'm just like, dang, dang, dang. Kelly, can I go back to Survivor 40? Okay, sure.

And what might've been? Because I feel like that, the idea that might've been out there was, and again, this is a little bit of speculation on my part, but maybe like advanced speculation. I think that at one point they thought about a like, best to not win season. And that might've been something that was on the table.

Or best to not win versus, maybe versus winners, or like all best to not win. Okay. Interesting. And maybe that's where they were leaning towards with some of those early thoughts for season 40. Yeah, maybe. I think it just goes to show that they do,

they obviously cast a wide net initially, right? They call, they look on a board, they call, a wide net initially, right? They call, they look at a board, they call, I don't know, I'm not in the conversation. This is how I imagine it in my own brain. They kind of have an idea of what they want it to be. They call their people to see who's available and then they start really narrowing it down

and figuring it out. So it's always good to take the call, but I do understand when people get frustrated that they've been through the process and done everything and then get cut that is very disappointing No, I think in the beginning they are gonna call a lot of people to kind of see how it's all going to come together So can I tell you something that I was surprised about with you and you and you tell me like Cut this out of the podcast or like I get it like, no comments, you know, safe work. I really, I would have guessed that you would have gone to play Australian

survivor. We can talk about something else. No, no, it's fine. Yeah, I haven't. a lot of people have asked me about this or thought that I would be on. I was in consideration. I was supposed to be on this season. I was, there were some different negotiations, things going on. I was going through the process, I think because I dropped, someone else went in. So you welcome everybody because you probably want to see them more than me anyway. But yes, I was supposed to be on the season. Okay, and I didn't know that. I wasn't getting anything.

I just know that you are a big proponent of Australian Survivor. And I think have been pretty open about that. You're not dying to go do more U.S. Survivor. Correct. And you do love Survivor. So I thought that you would have been a natural fit for that. Yeah, I guess they felt that way too.

But just some different things came out and there was, yeah, between you and me, and I don't care if you hear this, it's fine. I just, I, first of all, I had some personal things that I was kind of like, okay, well, I would have to move this around and would this work for me, which you can kind of figure out. But then I had heard that certain people, there were certain contracts that were going out and like they were not the same, which is understandable. But then I felt like I was kind of like the lowest choice. And just like, I just didn't want to be the lowest choice.

So I was like, eh, just go grab somebody else that I think you guys want more. Yeah. So that's just the full, that's the most of the truth about it. Yeah. Totally get that. I mean, I don't know anything else

besides being the lowest choice. So I wouldn't know, I wouldn't know from anything, but yeah. If they do it again, you'd be a great pick. Yeah, I think too. I just I feel like I've kind of done everything on Survivor. Yes, Australian Survivor would be fun, but I'd be open to other shows for sure. Like I think the Traders would obviously be super fun. Do you want to do the Traders? Who wouldn't want to do the Traders?

Who wouldn't? Like, so fun. I think that at this point Deal or No Deal Island really is taking off. Yeah, Dondie looks fun. Anything where you can eat and get a shower and sleep in a bed sounds good to me. Did you watch Gotta Get Out? That's a new one. No, I didn't watch. I heard it was fun.

Yeah, I saw your post. So fun. You said, yeah. And you were like, it was like a fake out. You were like, didn't watch. I heard it was fun. Yeah, I saw your post. You said, yeah. And you were like it was like a fake out. You were like, do not watch. Got to get out unless you want to have the most fun you've ever had in your life. It was so fun because that's how I felt. I was I honestly turned it on.

I thought I was like cleaning my kitchen when I put it on. Just this kind of background noise. And it was hilarious. I loved it. It was just was like, it didn't take itself too seriously. Super funny moment. Do you have a favorite person on that? You know, I will tell you, Steve Helling was absolutely hilarious. I don't want to give any spoilers away, but really great. Obviously Spencer was fun. Susan from the Golden Bachelorette, hysterical. She did not even mean to be and she was fantastic.

It was just overall, it was good. Yeah, so I would recommend that one. I would do that one. Anything else you're watching? The Last of Us. Yes, I know you're very upset. Heartbroken. Yeah. Heartbroken.

I don't, it's too yucky. What do you mean? It's like the fungus people. Oh, does that scare you? It doesn't scare me, but I find it unsettling. I, you know, like, really, I need like a pick me up from these shows. Oh, I don't want to watch like something gross. OK, so you don't watch the Handmaid's Tale?

No. Okay. Do you watch, Oh, do you have Apple TV? Yes. The studio. Oh, I heard that was good. That is an easy 30 minute episodes, really funny, has Seth Rogen, great cast. It's a very, you'll laugh, easy watch.

Yeah. Nicole was asking me like, well, what's our new show? I'm like, I don't know. I don't think there's any, we have anything right now. Well, there's, well, by choice, there's so much out. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, there's so much you could watch. All right, well.

Neighbors and friends or friends and neighbors or something? That's a new one. Friends and neighbors? Okay. Yeah. In the studio, we'll check out. In the studio, that's an easy one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I saw Seth Rogen in the vet's office one time. Just to bring it back to dogs. In LA? When I was in LA. Yeah. Did you say anything? No. You just don't see people there. But yeah, it was like 2000, like 2007 or something like that. Oh, okay.

Very long time ago. Okay. So he was in his more like, well, he's always funny, but he was in kind of his. Yeah, it seemed to me that what era was he in at that time? Superbad. So maybe I felt it was later than Superbad, but I feel it was like what was the one with knocked up era? Oh, knocked up. Didn't like it. Yeah. But all right. Well, Kelly, of course, where can people check out

everything that you're doing? Well, as long as they're nice. Yeah. And say what you want about the contestants, but leave Kelly alone. Yeah. All right? You can talk trash about them all day.

No, that's terrible. So it's Kelly Wentworth underscore on TikTok because someone has Kelly Wentworth. I don't know who it is. I can't get to the bottom of it. They were posting my videos and I had to report them. But they had my name before I had my name because I couldn't get it when I first signed up for TikTok. Kelly Wentworth underscore and then on Instagram, it's just Kelly Wentworth.

Oh, can I ask you the Jeff wig? Hey, hold on one second. Enough. Cash. Wow. They get so spicy. They get so spicy. They just say, yeah.

It's like having kids. It's not like having kids, but you know, when your kids get in an argument, you're like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Dogs, like having kids. It's not like having kids, but you know, when your kids get in an argument, you're like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Dogs, listen. Yeah, they stopped.

Yeah. But Kelly, your Jeff Probst wig. Can I ask you what's the backstory on that? What kind of wig is it? That is... How do you find a Jeff Probst wig? You go on Amazon and you just type in men's brown wig. And then you order like five. You know you're going to send them back, right?

Because Amazon's return policy is great. I take it all to Coles. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So whatever you need to do. So you order five and then you pick the best two. So when you see me wearing a Jeff Probst wig, if it's one of the two, you should know that those are the best of the five I got.

So if you're questioning what I purchased, believe me, it was much worse. Yes, okay. I also admire that you are like doing something a lot of times where you're like making a sandwich, uh, very natural. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm, I move with my hands a lot. And so sometimes I use a mini microphone and I have to not move with my hands cause then it's like, like shaking and like,

it sounds like I'm like breathing heavy into it. So I have to really be mindful of that, but the sound is better that way. But yeah, I just need some more humor. Like, Traders was super fun. The Tom Sandoval content was endless. I mean, I could have, I could have done 50 videos on him. But- Did you dress as Tom Sandoval?

Yeah, I did the one when he did the challenge with the phone and the singing. Oh, yeah. It was one of my favorites. Yeah, I might- I was out in my yard. I was running. I think my neighbors think I'm nuts. Yeah, I must not be on trader talk.

I feel like I didn't see that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I did it. It's pinned on my Instagram. Okay. All right. I'll look at it. Yeah, you got to look at it.

Well, Kelly, thank you for making time to come on. I'm sure everybody appreciated it. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. It's been a while since we caught up. So I'm glad. This was so nice. And in the YouTube comments, guess what?

I'm also, I'm gonna delete it if you say anything mean about Kelly, okay? Yeah, just delete it. How about that? Yeah, you don't have to be here. You know, that's one of the funniest things to me, Rob, is when people write mean comments, and I'm like, okay, first of all, you write a mean comment,

I'm gonna now be in your algorithm. Now you're gonna see more of me, by the way. Number two, just keep it pushing. Like if I don't like something, I don't even waste my time writing something. I'm just like, oh, that was stupid. It's so funny. People just, you know, whatever.

Haters. I don't mind discussion. I don't mind discussion. But like openly mean comments. It's just like. Yeah. Get lost, touch grass. Bye.

Bye. All right. Thank you everybody so much. Check grass. Bye. Bye. Thank you, everybody. Check out Club Condo today. Chappelle and I went there and Brandon Donnelly had a fun game that we played about some survivor music. Yes. What inspired that? What kind of survivor music? We talked about different musicians that are from Survivor.

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