RHAP: We Know Survivor - Kellie Nalbandian Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 9

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

Today, Rob is joined by Survivor 45's Kellie Nalbandian to discuss Survivor 47 episode 9.

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Rob Sestrino back after. What a wild night of Survivor this was and I'm very excited to get into it tonight on the post game show here with a woman who herself was once the second juror from Survivor 45 Kelly nalbandian Kelly how are you I'm even better because you pronounced my last name flawlessly Rob flaw. Flawlessly, right? Flawlessly. Look, as a Sesternino, it takes a while for people to get my last name right. But once you get it, you get it.

You think Sesternino and Nalbandian are on equal playing fields? Why are you saying, are you claiming that your last name is harder to pronounce? I'm hard claiming that. How many letters you got? What do you got? Ten. Ten. That's all i have okay we're both we're both the 10th uh place letter last names i got a lot of consonant repetition you know that throws people off okay people call me nebaldian i got a lot kelly this isn't a last name measuring contest Okay we're here to talk about It's a burping contest

Alright well we are Saul I'm trying to make An analogy to Was expelled Out of the game like air From a diaphragm tonight You're making a nurse joke

It was a Burping allegory yeah joke you know i'm i think the world loves saul i loved saul we're all devastated what's not to love my mom loves saul i feel like a lot of moms love saul so everyone at america is is weeping tonight. Yes. Well, our national nightmare tonight as Saul ends up going home and a very wild episode. You know, it seemed like that this was sort of like a humdrum affair for about an hour of this episode. And then the last half hour, things really got wild. And I think we have a lot to unpack. So I'm very excited to have you here, Kelly, to be able to give your analysis on how this all went down. First, how are you? Oh, I'm great. This is so much fun. I mean, I love strategic survivor and I love messy

survivor. I think we had a beautiful culmination of those two things tonight in even in that last like middle at scramble and end like so much fun i'm like unsure who's who's this is best for but it was great and strategic the whole way through still so i mean a win win all around all right so uh we're gonna unpack all of that get your questions in for later on in the show and then on thursday morning i'll have the chance to talk to uh the man himself saul will join me for an exit interview and then the survivor know it also will be back on thursday steven and i will uh talk about everything at 3 p.m eastern so be there live for that on friday at three i will also be taking patron questions. Our live patron Q&A is going to be at 3 p.m. And so for the link to that, join us.

Rob is a website.com slash patron. So, Kelly, this was such an interesting turn of events. And we had everybody separated and broken off into their pairs. And then we had the people who went on the reward. And they sort of like very quickly said, OK, let's just let's just go with Sam. OK, that's an easy decision. OK, back at camp, we see Genevieve decide. I think we need to go for Saul.

We've heard Genevieve in the last couple episodes talk about I'm not looking for the big threats I'm looking for the sneaky threats I love that super interesting and very fun but I still don't exactly know why Genevieve wants Saul out she talked about like yeah he tried to go for Rome that was my ally I still don't trust him isn't it better for genevieve who masterfully got saul out of the game yes but give her credit there for i have to give her credit for what she executed but i i still i don't see the vision why get saul out of the game yeah i i left with the same Rob, and I have really enjoyed watching Genevieve play. But yeah, I feel like when I was looking at the future of this game,

the Lavo 3 there were, to me, one of the more interesting groups that I feel like they could have almost maneuvered in a similar fashion to the Tika three, right? Like bounce between these tribes, have that sort of ability. And Genevieve was really the linchpin in my opinion, like the player who could maybe have the most winner equity of that three. So yeah, I was surprised by her gunning for Saul this early. I think it, you know, time will tell sort of how this works out for her. But yeah, I, I'm, I'm not currently seeing like why, why she did that. I am, I think it's going to be, and then, you know, the whole thing gets so chaotic. Uh, it's hard to know who's actually going to get credit for this. And I agree with you on the sneaky threats thing. Like I am all

about that. I think that, um, you know, we've seen a lot of people when Survivor who aren't always the on paper threat, especially in the new era. So I think that's like a great observation from Genevieve, a great way to approach the game. I think the person who maybe had a similar idea, but about a different person was Sam as he's talking about Sue being so well insulated. person was sam as he's talking about sue being so well insulated um that might be a different kind of sneaky threat like a sneaky threat who takes your place later on in the game who's sneaky threat who can keep going on uh you know so it's weighing two different approaches to like the same idea we saw from last week genevieve went very quickly to rachel and to sue which that she had spent the previous episode at the reward with all the people from gata and it looked like that gata and lavo were going to come together and and team up against uh tuku but it seemed like that genevieve also

felt like okay well teeny really wants to work with gata so i really want to work with tuku and she very quickly just gravitated towards sue and caroline and there really not had not been any sort of like interaction previously between them she just very quickly gravitated towards working with sue and caroline yeah it might be a little bit of like, um, which I can, um, you know, relate to a little bit, like wanting to be in the driver's seat more so, whereas like, you know, if she, if she goes along with teeny's idea, she might not feel like she's in control, especially since there is a point of the game where she lacked control. I think that incentivizes your desire to have it in this type of like more chaotic situations. It's kind of like playing with the power or playing against the power here.

And she and she choose to play with it. I don't know where that leaves her in an alliance structure of two coups and a scorned teeny. Yeah. Genevieve's story is very interesting. And she said something at tribal council that I really enjoyed that she talked about, Hey, I saw my name at that very first tribal council. And as far as I'm concerned, I have double Oh seven license to kill in the episode title.

I mean, that was great. Yeah. I don't know what the episode title was. Nightmare fuel. I think Andy's license to kill is good uh maybe that's not on paramount plus and so they don't have the license to use that but this era is about joy okay yes okay they're not about killing okay right so for genevieve she uh had these couple of like uh interesting tribal councils where first she

ends up uh blindsiding saul and then ends up blindsiding teeny on the next vote now you didn't go to any of the pre-merged tribal councils and so the what we talk about like okay oh well you should go to the pre-merged tribal councils but here's in the case of genevieve like she's gone to these pre-merge tribal councils and some of this like lingering bad blood is still spilling over to the merge where now you know she's trying very hard to get away from lavo because i don't know if i could trust these people from the stuff that happened in the pre-merge yeah and that's fair i think maybe i don't know i think the ideal amount of pre-emerge tribal councils to go to is one uh maybe not two or three um so i guess that's where i'll land on that one um yeah i think it's a little i mean it's very funny i love the confessional

game like but i'm petty so screw you sol it's. You know what I mean? Like Venus Vafa is back a little bit. Right. But it is it is like, I don't know. I'm not really sure if it makes sense long term for Genevieve. But she has like we said, like this ends up a nine one vote on Saul. So Genevieve has some sauce that is working. She has the right idea. She has the social capital. She's spending it now. I don't know if she's spending it too early, but I love watching it. All right. So this vote, nine to one, as you mentioned, did anything change at the live tribal in your opinion? Oh yeah. I mean, there's no way.

Teenie's like so genuine in their reactions. I loved, I thought teeny was so fun to watch this whole episode. We got a little, you know, Kendra crying for me, ask moment from teeny there. But I think like they were so,

so genuine in their confusion in the beginning of like where it's going that I think the tribal was so live that it was impossible to include and or they just wanted to blindside the audience and be like, what's going to happen? But probably somebody spilled the beans, Satini and the others at the last minute. So I really thought coming into tribal council, I thought, OK, things got too crazy. It's too chaotic. It's going to revert back to Kyle. That's really what I thought coming into tribal council. So I was very surprised as the chat is pointing out an eight to one vote. Sorry guys. Saul in the chat.

Thank you. GD plasmin. That's why I was surprised. So what do you think that, that eventually it ended up getting sorted out that everybody got on the same page? Yeah, I have to assume that. I mean, I don't think

Teenie was under the impression that that was the plan at all. I think Teenie had no idea about that plan. So the only way that they would have flipped to vote for Saul was somebody told them like, hey, you're about to be completely out of this vote. The tide has turned and, you know, you can either go down with the ship or jump on. Yeah. So we saw before tribal council. Okay. We saw Genevieve. She goes to Sue and Gabe and even Kyle is on board.

Kyle, what happened to the SSA? I know. One of the assault secret agents. What happened? He's like, oh, okay. This is great. I needed to get a blind side anyway so they got all of tuku and now uh plus genevieve so they have four they need one more and they go

to andy and andy isn't like a hard yes but he's like let me know if you have the votes and if you have it then then i i don't want to miss out on this why did Genevieve keep going it sounded like that to me I think you come back to Andy in five minutes and say hey Andy great news we got this yeah I think maybe there is not want to have it hinge on Andy yeah that's my thought I think that we the audience are seeing confessionals of Andy making sense, like being a strong player. You know what I mean? Like having this arc that is probably somewhat evident on the island, but not as evident to the other players. But you still have Sam kind of like dunking on Andy in a confessional. And, you know, he's still having like some struggling like challenge moments and things like that,

where I think people are still underestimating him and or are still reluctant to put full trust in him and i think that that would be my guess on what motivates genevieve to to also talk to rachel about it but it also might just be like a you know i'm going to try to cover my bases thing but i feel like you have to see the the dominoes that fall coming yeah okay because it's okay so she has it at that point where she talks to andy about it but then she ends up then talking to rachel and tells rachel about it and rachel gets put into a very bad spot here because here comes sam and sam starts asking questions how do you think rachel should have handled when sam is like basically doing basically process of elimination to get it down

to that it is going to be saul yeah i think that was a great approach from sam uh i will give him kudos for that yeah i think rachel is in like, like you said, a very bad spot here. Like she's kind of damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Right. Like they have expressed to each other, Sam and Rachel, that they're sort of like both screwed, both need each other, need to work with each other throughout the rest of this game. throughout the rest of this game. And if Rachel is withholding information from Sam, who is theoretically on the block tonight, will Sam really trust Rachel moving forward? And that's somebody Rachel wants to work with,

you know, for the rest of the game, she's saying. So there's that. And then there's, okay, am I going to go against the majority here who's telling me the information? I don't know. I think it's basically it's ideal but impossible to do what rachel said at the beginning where you're like it's not gonna be you

you're gonna be fine but i can't tell you like that would be great but like it's i don't know if anyone could pull that off ever i'll be very impressed um but yeah the chain of events is i think rachel just has to lie to Sam. I don't think that she can like try to tell Sam it's going to be OK. I think she just has to act like she does not know what is going to go on. And she has to be OK and endorse the ensuing chaos. And that's what she wants. Or she has to commit to this this majority plan and just keep

screwing over sam um which i don't know maybe like she's been on the bottom and out of votes several times doesn't feel great probably so she could have a little bit of empathy for sam there um but you know i think like really an interesting maybe understated but interesting episode from rachel overall yeah i really enjoyed the conversation with her and andy at the beginning um and and like you know she went from this you know enemy number one and now she's got a lot of options and information similar to andy and that was interesting too because that turns out to not be super relevant in this episode we never see rachel and andy come back and compare notes i wonder if that's going to be part of the story for later on in the season where we get more of the rachel and

andy this was sort of like a check-in here at this point but it feels that way yeah for rachel i would just uh love to just get your thought on in terms of her telling Sam or if she if she doesn't say anything to Sam she knows Sam's not going to go home if this just goes through Sam is blindsided but Saul goes home is Sam upset with Rachel I think a little Maybe not enormously upset Because I think Sam Or is he just like relieved Like oh okay It's just Saul

It wasn't me Maybe it's like a judgment call On Rachel's part there Like she knows Sam Better than we do Like how Sam has kind of been on top Until this moment

So you know You have to sort of like Suss out is You know Is Sam going to be okay you know, is Sam going to be okay with this? Like, is he going to be okay with not knowing the outcome kind of being in that Andy role? He's not, you know, he's probably not. I think that he probably would actually be upset with Rachel, but, and I guess it's just a matter of like, do you want to work with like really long term like she's essentially invested in sam here and that and now she might not feel so good about it i mean i think

this is one of those uh votes and tribals where things have exploded i think the game is going to be wide open a little bit after this like all these these duos and these strong groups are like mostly gone besides the two goose. So then let's take it from Sam's perspective then. OK, so now, OK, now Sam is the person who finds out from Rachel, OK, that it's going to be Saul. And she says, OK, but you can't say anything. He's like, F that. Saul, come here. My God, it was literally literally immediate I felt so bad for Rachel in this moment I was like oh no they told me not to say anything and I said the thing and

everybody's gonna be mad at me so quick yeah I know did she realize what was happening I think so I think she knows i mean the rest of the night was is extremely chaotic rachel knows that she's the one who spilled the beans yeah yeah okay so sam goes to saul and says saul we're turning this whole thing around okay me you all all of lavo okay and i guess that he felt like okay do we have Rachel too? We're flipping this thing and we are going to take out one of the two coup tonight. Yeah. I think I actually really liked Sam's logic here. Um, how he, how he thought about Sue in the game. I think like, I think he's spot on right there. She is probably the most well-insulated player left in the game.

I think the most rock-solid, actually trusting alliance, especially now that the level three is clearly not going to work, is the Caroline, Sue, and Gabe. So that's a concern, I think, for everybody. And the one who's never going to go home is Sue. So, yeah, if you remove Sue, I don't know if it blows up to who like he's complaining but i think he's saying it's going to be but i think that it does um you know give other players an opportunity

to go farther in the game that may be a spot that she's holding to me i just feel like that kyle was the person that it would have been more straightforward to get people on considering that he has won those first three immunities and he came in second in this one. It's like, hey, he's vulnerable. This is the easy decision to make. And I don't know if it's like the easy decision was just not that appetizing for people. But I do wonder if maybe had they been gunning for Kyle, maybe that there would have been a little bit more momentum to take out Kyle

instead of Sue. Yeah, I will say it is it is a little shocking that Kyle does not get targeted the second that he loses immunity. But I mean, maybe that just is where people are viewing Kyle as like a like a singular challenge threat and maybe not like a winning threat. I don't know. And I think for Tuku, just yeah, it's definitely the't know. But just a four-two coup. Yeah, it's definitely the easy vote. But I think that this cast is a cast of gamers and overthinkers and players, which is so much fun to watch, but results in something like this.

And I think probably I would assume that Sam and other players like that are potentially happy with somebody like Kyle, who's a bigger threat, blah, blah, blah. Being a shield of some sort moving forward. I feel like every immunity challenge has been fairly physical up to this point. If you're a betting person, you might bet that there's puzzles coming. Do we think Kyle's going to win all the puzzles? I don't know. We'll see if Kyle can win puzzles. Everyone's screwed, but yeah, that could be part of it. I don't know. It would have been, it would have been cleaner on Kyle.

Um, but I think I like Sam's logic. I will say, yeah, this was an interesting episode in terms of the way it was structured, it was okay everybody get into pairs and then go through this and then we ended up having a lot of stuff going on the first four people out of the challenge were going to lose their votes now i was not following the tweets or the blue skies in the real time but i'm sure people were losing their minds when they said four people were going to lose their vote tonight yeah i mean i i hate lost votes at the final 10 doesn't go well for me doesn't go well for my buddy saul here um yeah i i'm happy that it ended well in the case of saul i don't really don't think that the lost vote had anything to do with i don't think i

actually think it would have made if someone else lost the vote. It would have been even more clear what would have happened. I mean, I think it's fun that the challenge like sometimes these tier challenges, it's like, OK, you move on to the next round. It's nice that each stage of the challenge thing in the world. So they have stakes here, you know know like there is stakes to each challenge part which is there's a lot going on so it is hard to keep track yeah hard to keep track and then ultimately uh we have the four people win reward uh gabe ends up winning the individual immunity and you were a fan of uh the ray lewis sack dance yeah you know um what is what does gabe do for the ravens he he does radio i

don't think he does anything for them oh he does i think he's like a radio host yeah gabe the dance i think it's so nice to shout out your hometown but you know i don't know if we're gonna see gabe on dancing with the stars he's got the dance moves for radio um but you know that's gonna be my new go-to gif gabe dancing yeah i mean ray lewis is a deep cut so he's he's showing his knowledge there yeah very interesting star of uh cbs's own beyond the edge i have a question for you. Yes. Yes. If you want immunity and you had to do a dance. Yes. Just like Gabe, what dance would you do? The Carlton. Okay. Nice. It's not unusual for me to win immunity. You would sing as well. You would just take it one step up. And it's parody, so they could use it. Perfect. They could use it.

Not the first time I sang on the show. You know. Anyway. So then following all of that, we had four people who lost their votes. Tell me this is hot take alert. Should I hide under the desk?

I kind of liked how they determined who lost a vote. mean the jenga thing yeah i didn't hate it i kind of like you know i feel like we're sort of like in the like the cave was very cool i'm all it was cool yeah i feel like we're playing like mario party mini game here of like okay four people all right oh who's gonna lose the vote like you know it's like really it was like reverse jenga my season was like do an extremely difficult math equation and here they're like stack some stacks and fix stack some cards yeah but i it was tense i liked it it was tense and you know what last week week I tweeted about Caroline being the world's greatest cheerleader.

You know, if Sue finds an idol, she's happy for her. Yes. If Genevieve has a good strategic idea, she's happy for it. When Rachel puts down that magnetic block, she's happy for her. She's like, epic. And then she's like oh i lost my vote i mean caroline she stays she's like um what do they say i'm big brother team fun feeds right she's like there for the good time she's happy that it's the most interesting outcome yeah so i really i kind of like this i thought this was fun it would be i think also interesting if they ended up doing this like again in the future if it was like a game that was like a little bit more of

like um a strategy type game where it's like okay who am i trying to box out where it's like okay of the four people here like who am i trying to like they've done that before where it's like okay step on a tile turn it over and you can sort of like try to I trying to like they've done that before where it's like okay step on a tile turn it over and you can sort of like try to be like targeting like one person yeah might be interesting to see the four people who potentially losing their vote like they have to show their hand who are they trying to get to not have a vote yes I love that that's so it's like a little bit of a vote before the vote is like oh like yeah that's a great idea i lost my vote let me just say andy was was gunning really hard to try to make me not have a vote tonight oh yeah i love that that is super fun you know it's kind of like i think

people really enjoyed the um the maria and jelinski like that type of journey yeah um it has the kind of the same vein as that or like if you've seen the anonymous with the box game like something like that would be very would be very fun i think yeah love that yeah can i play reverse jenga with regular jenga blocks i think they're a little hardy you know like i don't think anyone's gonna screw it up to build you know oh you don't think it's to build you if i'm building triangles with the regular jenga blocks on their side you could yeah i think those were i think the survivor ones were skinnier making it they were skinnier they were harder but you know i'm playing i mean you might be there for two hours you know yeah so i thought that that was a fun way to do it did you feel like that having somebody

lose their vote ended up um being uh fun or not fun for the players who are trying to plan about like do you like having the players all separated when there is a blind side to potentially be planning this is hard and they also don't know how many votes are going to be in to be able to do it this is hard now i feel like if i had never played survivor i think the outcome that happened which was caroline losing her vote was objectively the most interesting outcome because otherwise like this saw blind side goes ahead without a hitch you don't need to involve gata and then done so this is the most interesting outcome as a as a player i i don't love it because you know i feel like you the point of survivor a little bit is to like uh you know build your social capital like use the

time you have to create these alliances, create these even like just social bonds and even not alliances that allow you to, you know, spend it like currency with votes. And so when you're taking that away, especially at a final 10, it is a little bit of a bummer because you go from needing so much more of a majority than that. And then you lose the possibility for like a tie vote, which I think is also kind of, we already had one, I guess, maybe Jeff is satisfied, but you know, you lose that possibility too. So I, I think lost votes are here, whether we like it or not.

I definitely prefer, I prefer it in the pre-merge versus emerge. I think it's so critical there. And I, I think it's fun when like, you know, I, you know, we, we talked about this last time I was on your show too, the whole like lose your vote, your ally goes home and, and using shot in the darks in a creative way, which Rachel did here. Like if the players themselves want to give themselves a lost vote, like that's more interesting than like it being assigned to them do you know what i'm saying yeah i also think that the show got a little lucky here in that it could have been a very straightforward sam goes home yes vote i mean and that's what one of the groups had decided

to do had it not been for genevieve wanting to do something like a little bit more interesting and i think that you see that and this is something that we talk about a lot with big brother of like the more like twisty things get players are looking to do sort of like the simpler easier plan that's going to be easier to execute and i think it's sort of like a lot of times where it's like the players have a day where it's like oh there's nothing going on today like it's very boring that tends to be like when the days that we have like the big blind sides where it's like okay you know cue's the obvious vote today it's the obvious thing is happening and tiffany goes home you know so i think that they uh got lucky that genevieve was

so ambitious to potentially try this when there was a lot of uncertainty that this was going to be able to be pulled off. No, I completely agree. And I think, you know, I am like sympathetic to needing to introduce new elements into the game. Like I like some twists and stuff, but I think like, this is sort of like when I think about like people, people's criticism of like survivor 43, like people, them playing too safe as someone who went to pregame of survivor 43 like people them playing too safe um as someone who went to pre-game of survivor 43 having watched survivor 41 and 42 and a half after watching the rest of previous survivor

i was like what the hell is going on like this is absolute insanity so i think that does yeah maybe behoove a little bit more safer gameplay when you're feeling like you can't always rely on even having your vote. You know, you can argue that it makes you have to be like the ultimate adaptability person, the person who has the most options. I think that motivated me to play an option based game because I never knew what was going to happen. But, yeah, you know, I don't I was a little screwed by the lost votes. I don't I don't, I was a little screwed by the lost votes. I don't, I don't love it. Yeah.

I think that with, you know, the one loss, I don't want to trivialize like one lost vote, but I think that the players thought that there were potentially could have been four lost votes at this council. Like, so it's very hard for them to plan what they're able to do and be able to pull off like a bigger move when they really don't know how many votes are going to be in play i was having that thought of like um if genevieve wants to do this like i mean it's so hard in the scramble to not just jump in and do the thing you want to do but maybe was the right move for her to like pump the brakes until she knew

who had a vote or not, or could maybe try to figure it out? Because the scramble was scrambly as hell anyway at the end. Like maybe if you wait just a bit to know where is it going? Like you're like, is this something I can actually pull off easily? Because if Caroline had a vote, I feel like that's an easy thing to do. It was ambitious for sure. The only other thing I'll say and look genevieve is super

fun to watch on the season kind of like that sue uh and rightfully so it kind of felt like that sue was would have been very up for voting out kyle also when genevieve first talked about it well now we know sue is is has a lot of pent up energy for Kyle. Yeah, I think any honestly, I think the two crews were all pretty ready to vote out Kyle. So, yeah. Right. Like that is interesting because Genevieve somehow convinced them all to not do it, which is impressive feat. But yeah, I think at this point, like Kyle survived a lot and he survived one tribal. I don't know how many more he has in the tank if he's not. Yeah. So let's circle back to Rachel and really, you know, Rachel and Andy and Sam were sort of at the beginning of this episode, sort of like coming off of that last episode where they ended up, uh, being, uh, going through the blind side of Sierra who like yourself succumbed

to the margarita curse. Oh my God. I didn't even know. What's in the margarita? Let me tell you, not a lot of tequila. I felt nothing. Um, so I don't know. Well, I guess if anyone goes on survivor again, don't buy the margarita or don't drink it. I don't know. That's my, that's my official advice. Maybe just like, if you get the margarita, like, Hey, I want to pour one out for all the margarita curse people. I want to pour it out for Kelly Nabandian. I would love that you know perfect jeffra jeffra of course yeah so when rachel confirms for us she played the shot in the dark to get the read on the room oh yeah we love it i mean everyone loves that yes i was just live tweeting not blue sky now i'm blue sky away last episode you know wasn't the best week and that was my favorite that was my high of the

week was rachel doing that um and i'm sure that we have given her many accolades many deserved accolades over the last week she won a fish nice It's nice to hear it confirmed. I think it's so interesting in general. I was wondering if she even took it a step further and was thinking like, well, wouldn't it be fine and dandy if no one even knows where I would have voted? And so now I haven't screwed over anybody. And now that Genevieve coming to me with this plan, whereas I may have voted against her last time, but now I didn't even vote. So no one can really, Ooh,

poor me on the bottom. I appreciated that. Rachel said, yeah, I, that's a, you give me a little too much credit. Yeah.

That was very, yeah. What a humble queen. But I mean, I, I, I, a lot of other survivors was a yes.

Yes. All of the things. Yes. I thought of everything. So great. Yeah. She thought of everything. So great. Yeah. She's very honest. And we love that about her.

But yeah, I really found, I love the, I know the conversation between Rachel and Andy was very long, but I thought it was so interesting. Clearly, these are two integral players to the story, I think, given the time that they got there. But I thought it was just so interesting because for me, like when I came into play Survivor, I viewed I feel like I viewed the game like both Andy and Rachel did, which was like, even if you screw me over or even if something doesn't go, whatever, like if it makes sense in the future, we can work together. And I think a lot of players in the new era are like this. But for me a surprising many are not um so for andy and rachel to find each other in this way i thought was so

fascinating i think it's great when you have two players like this come together um i'm really looking forward to how this plays out in the future because it didn't really play out in this episode so i have to assume maybe next episode or something there is, this has an important piece of it, but, um, yeah, I think this was a great, a great for both Andy and Rachel, um, how they were speaking about it and how they looked at the game. Um, really just super fun and interesting for me, like kind of my favorite type of strategic thought there. Yeah. It's interesting for the two of them because that they've never really directly targeted each other i guess rachel was ready to vote out andy when uh on the vote but you know it's uh it wasn't like it was she was driving it herself she felt like it was

sort of like the status quo essentially right she thought that the whole tribe was doing it and so it's gonna be very interesting to see if these two are going to be able to work together and and really uh where this is all going to go next yeah this i think like i would feel like we'll see but i i think 47 is so far has been very fluid um like a little more um like voting blocks like the alliances aren't set in stone you know this isn't there is no like before like steamroll in the game as much you know it's it's i think it's going to be really interesting and you know i don't think i don't know you think you're going to argue too cool is that well i'm going to ask uh so you know is this that different than survivor 45 where okay so the re before you know look we know we see sue doesn't like kyle okay yeah but they're still together they're still voting

together they're still there is could that be a smoke screen for like oh they're not getting along we don't need to worry about breaking them up meanwhile the other two tribes are just uh picking each other off. Yeah, I mean, that would be great. That would be amazing if that worked out. But I think, I don't know, Sue seems pretty pissed at Kyle, which I'm not really sure why, to be honest. But I mean, I guess we'll see. I think that the only solid group within Tuco is Gabe Caroline Sue. I don't know how much Kyle is in that same pocket. I feel like he's the expendable person.

I think with the Reba four, what's unique about them is like they were they were all extremely loyal to each other and had and continuously proved that. they cut their members that they didn't necessarily see as part of their core alliance early on as their smokescreen, which I think the Tiana vote looks like it was forced. So that, I think that makes, I don't know, maybe that like removes the, like their, their fake smokescreen plan, right? Like it's kind of hard for them to like, look like they really were going to turn on each other when it seems like they were forced to turn on each other even though there was that fracture with tiana and gabe like at the end of the day they were gonna probably vote out

rachel so now people don't have that same viewpoint that like what reba did well which was sort of like hey look at us we're voting out sifu and j maya see we're not that close whereas like Tugu it's like yeah we were forced to Kelly as somebody who was on the outside of that how obvious was it to you as somebody who uh was not in that alliance that okay these four are definitely together I think like I want to give them credit I think that there was I think it was more obvious that there were that like Julie and Dee were very close and Austin and Drew were close versus the four of them being as cohesive as they were. And so myself, I was always focused on like, OK, the new era like this doesn't work. No tribe, original tribe sticks together till the end like they're gonna turn on each other at some point my tribe's a mess Lulu's a mess of course

Reba's a mess and it just it didn't end up being the case I think the dream scenario if you're playing is is to be in a Reba 4 situation I do think it is a little bit rare um but yeah they they were they were sneaky but um at the end of the day as we got farther in yes people kind of eventually picked up on it but it didn't matter to go back to genevieve it does seem like that genevieve is trying to worm her way into being with the tukus which you would think is not that great of a position for her. You know, it's one thing if she's bringing in Saul, she's bringing in Teenie, but she doesn't really seem to want to work too closely

with those other players. What do you think her end game plan is? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, now that you're saying that, right? Like if she does get in with the two goose and they are about to fracture against Kyle and she just showed this loyalty to them by, by orchestrating a vote against her own Alliance member.

Yeah. Maybe that works. Maybe there is a path forward there for her, right? Maybe you take out the end with caroline and sue that's what i was that was what i was just final three yeah i would think that they would you know i think gabe is sort of the the obvious strategic player of the tukus so he you know that's someone who eventually would probably be like the the final boss snipe right right? Like the six, the Drew Basile spot or something like that. Right. Yeah. I guess that could work, but I think Caroline is a good player and is a riskier player to bring to the

end than maybe her theoretical other situation with Salantini or, or, or, you know, Tatini and Sue or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. You mentionedabe going in the drew basile spot i think what i'd like is for drew basile to learn the ray lewis sack dance for next time he goes back on jeopardy have you ever seen the seal in the pigeon in the pigeon uh mask the pigeon mask no oh this is you want to know nightmare fuel yeah it was it was it was honestly so hilarious and drew surprised me very much with a very funny pigeon mask dance i think drew would probably be a hit in the ray lewis i don't know if he was i don't think he likes a

raven so he's from det lions. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to see that. Who do you think? I don't know who would be the best dancer. Who says it's nightmare fuel for sure. Star of seafood games.

Seafood did the dance on the barge. He didn't, I mean, pre-immunity win or anything. He was already dancing. So what were you going to ask do i think what i think i was gonna ask who do i think on this cast not that we don't think gabe did a wonderful dance who would do the best dance of this cast who would like really send it? Sue did wear Rome's tank top.

Yeah. Maybe she would have brought the light. Rome was moonwalking. True. Yeah, but OK. OK. Of who's left. Yes.

Rome would have obviously ate that. Yeah. Clearly. How about Teenie? I love Teenie this whole episode. Poor Teenie has taken some L's in this game. But Teenie's eating so much. So much.

I mean, man, I am jealous. Are we going to get a rice negotiation this season? I don't think they need rice. At this point, they're gaining weight i wonder if maybe that there is so much food rewards that maybe we're not going to get a rice negotiation yeah they saw rachel stealing it and they're like no rice for anyone now yeah jeff is as jeff is evil as we saw i see but didn't his little he was like welcome to my torture chamber when they walked in do you remember jeff is really good to accents these days yes shakespeare in the park so

torture chamber okay the sam is sharing a picture of okay drew basile in the pigeon mask okay homer must have loved this this was you know this was Brandon Donlon's idea. As you can see back there in the mother goose costume, you got Sabaya in the Tootsie Pop owl. And I will say no one knew that Drew was doing this. And when he walked out like this, did you know who it was? I mean, I think that's unmistakable.

You know, it wasn't Sifu. It wasn't a Brando Meyer. Is that Jelinski? It's Jelinski. But yeah, this was so funny. I got to give it to Drew.

That was the hardest I had laughed in many months. That was absolutely. Yeah. Jeff's kiss. Okay. And then I want to ask about Sam because Sam really like was very like emotional throughout this whole episode and talking about his position and he said something that I thought was so interesting he talked about how yeah he's still in the game but he didn't want to be one of these people

that's just like uh trying to claw his way through the game. Yeah. I think that's like sort of like the, a little bit of like the new era theme of like, not like just big moves, but like you want to feel like people are like seeing and understanding what you're, what you're doing so that you can have winning equity. And I think that he's,

I absolutely agree with what he's saying. There's not a point to go far in this game if you're not going to win, to me. And so I think that that's what Sam is saying. He's like, yeah, maybe I can be this bottom player and be safe the rest of the time because no one's worried about me, but that's not what I want,

and I know I can't win that way. So I think it's great. I think he's passionate for the game, and he not what I want. And I know I can't win that way. So I think it's great. I think it's, he's passionate for the game and he's probably, you know, feeling it. He lost Sierra. I think it's hard. Not that we want to whatever, but like when you are so on top of your previous tribe and then you come to the merge and you get like severely humbled immediately. That's a big pendulum swing to handle emotionally.

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Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, All right, Kelly, let's get into some questions from the listeners. Of course, let me just mention real quick that December 4th, just a couple of weeks from tonight, I'm going to be in Houston, Texas for another RHAP Live Show. Yes, you're doing, you're copying my pose? Yes, I love it. Is that a meme? It could be. You yes i love it is that a meme it could be you know it's gonna be

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You can't forget. That was my most memorable moment of my entire survivor career was missed. I don't have a pen and paper, Sifu. But if I misspelled Sifu's first name. Yes. Yes. Where have you been, Rob? Sifu?

Yes, basically. I'm sorry i didn't memorize every single vote in the history of the show you memorized how to say my last name but not that i wrote seafood i wrote it like s-e-a-f-o-u which i hate to be replaying again in front of everybody not my finest moment um but the funny thing was that uh you know uh when the votes were read live they didn't show my vote and i was like oh phew i'm not gonna get it's gonna be fine and then on the show they showed me immediately roasted yeah that was rough all right christian came off of last week's post-game show and asked us uh what was the bigger contributor to the chaos here the lost vote or the fact that four people

were away from camp until so late four people away from camp so late easily for me i think yeah i think it's was probably one of these things where you know in tracking this tracking this and, you know, I don't know what it's like to be there, but, you know, in tracking like sort of like where it's one day versus two days in these episodes. And this, this one seemed like, uh, this was just 24 hours from when Sierra is blindsided. These always seem like that. These are the more chaotic votes. Yeah, for sure. And I think that's just like what they want from the new era. I think this was all day 16. Yeah. So usually there's a day between every early merge vote, except for one. So I guess this is the one where they just went quick, which was like me and Kendra was one day too.

And it didn't happen for the rest of them. So, yeah, that's definitely like a fast turnaround. I think that, you know, the producers like to ensue the most chaos possible and this adds to it. I think we said before, like, yeah, if Caroline losing her vote was the best scenario in terms of lost votes, like if Sam or Rachel, like, or Andy, like, I don't know how much just one of them losing the vote, like moves the needle. Whereas like Caroline losing her vote, like ended up making the saw blind side, like not as clean. So I guess there's that argument. But I think for people away from camp so long, like that's where you get this whole plan hatching without all the players there playing. And in our season, more than one person could have lost their vote. And I think they did. I don't really remember.

But it was Kendra's vote out. They did a similar situation and more than one could have. So they could have. You can't even assume that it's only going to be one. It could have been all four in theory. Yeah, I think that they you were all divided into threes in that. Yes, and that was three. And then it was three people.

Yes, it was. I think it was Austin, Emily and Austin. was um three people went yes it was i think it was yeah and austin got it but but he told people he didn't have his vote also yeah so i that's what i was wondering like going into this i was like were people going to lie got to eat the chicken with no utensils yes how could we you remember that but you don't remember seafood i mean that's very memorable The chicken Like Kyle eating chicken Breaking the vegetarian They didn't tell us if Kyle

Ate the bacon When was oh today He got a BLT I don't know why I think he ate the BLT Yeah whatever Once you break the seal, what is he going to not eat the bacon today

after he ate the chicken wings yesterday? Probably he did. Probably he did. I don't know. I don't know. Is bacon like, why were they burping so much? I think it was the soda.

Oh, right. Yeah. Gabe was like, let me chug soda to compete against Saul in the burping contest. Yes. He was like so emasculated that he could not burp as much as Saul. I do think that that's why Saul ends up going home,

that he basically was, you know, made Gabe feel like such a little man that he couldn't burp enough. You know, you never know what subconsciously plays in people's minds. Saul, you flex too hard. It might have been the fact that Saul directly said Gabe's name, but it could have been the burp. Could have been like, I can't compete with that. Can't compete with that. I'm only, I'm only half of the man, Saul.

Did you hear those burps? That's how you measure, measure, measure your life. Yeah. So, you know, it's funny that we're doing the survivor san juan del sur rewatch josh wiggler and i and this past episode that we just watched episode eight of survivor san juan del sur and i just said to josh wiggler on tuesday i said josh this this episode we just watched where jacqueline is getting really grossed out living with Alec and Wes and Taco Overload. I think this is the episode of Survivor with the most burps and farts in the history of the show.

And Survivor was like, bet. Hold my root beer. This was like boys night, but worse. You know, even more bodily functions. You know, I'm a nurse, so I'll be used to it. But that was, I fell for teeny there. even more bodily functions. I'm a nurse, so I'll be used to it. I felt for Teenie there. They said something.

They were like, all I can hear is Gabe moaning. Yeah, I was watching it with my kids. I'm like, I think this is going to get inappropriate. It's a family show. We went right into the burping after that. Oh, yes, of course. Yeah, actually, kids probably loved that. Yes, they liked that part. We didn't have to explain why Gabe is making sensual BLT noises.

I, too, like Gabe, did not get a reward or food until day 16. So I will say it was a beautiful experience. I also had a soda and I somehow resisted the burping urge. Okay. Belching with the boys. Let's go. All right. This is a question from Glass Nova.

Says Gabe and Kyle were so close to losing the second round. How do you think the strategy would have changed if it was teeny Saul, Genevieve and Sue that went to the picnic together well that could change everything it could have i do think like my read on genevieve pitching it to sue so quickly was like this was this was noodling in her head for a while i think she wanted this so i think like she would have i think like maybe they would have you know put a easy name up there like kyle or sam and that would have been the agreed and then jenny veve would have they would have gotten out of the reward and then she would have put on her striped shirt and start working on working on

yeah but you're gonna have to go faster faster yeah you know but it's okay she has you know what i noticed today she has two different red striped shirts. She does. Yeah. Wow. Pretty sure you can fact check me chat. They've already told me I was wrong once, so no problem. But I think so. She's really committed to the Waldo of it all, which I think is all right. Maybe it's Canadian colors. Oh, maybe it's a reference to the Canadian flag. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Lorenzo asks, teeny has been a blindsided with Keyshawn unable to save Sierra and lost Saul. This teeny have no sway whatsoever, or does the lack of an underdog story from them bode poorly for their chances?

Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. Teeny has not been able to really move the vote in their direction. Yeah, even like last week, I would say that from my perspective,

the only person who really benefited from it being Sierra versus Sam is andy otherwise i was like i feel like you should probably get sam here he's he seems like a bigger threat than sierra um so yeah i think teeny had the right read and then didn't sort of like push hard which you know it's it's you don't necessarily want to push hard at like final 11 like it's a little bit nerve-wracking right i don't know teeny's like um like uh you know that song tub thumping yeah yes get knocked down get knocked down yeah i teeny i think next

week td's got out like also teeny uh drinks a whiskey drink and a vodka drink that's true yeah they enjoy the survivor social hour of it all. Right. Yeah. Um, I can't believe I'm talking about trouble one bun on here. Anyway, I think that believe it, we got to see what happens next week with teeny. This is the time for teeny to go on the frigging war path.

Yeah. Um, and if they don't do it, then I, I'm not sure what happened. So here's a theory for you that we know last episode, Genevieve said, I really want to target Rachel. And we didn't get to see the decision making for how they picked who was going to go home. But we know one thing.

Saul said, hey, I work so hard to save Rachel. I'm not letting Rachel go. Do you think that potentially there was a little bit of a clash with Genevieve and Saul over that Genevieve said, no, the target should be Rachel and that Saul was like, no, no, it can't be Rachel. Pick somebody else, not Rachel. Possibly. I think that like, you know, there's people in the game who like want to be in like drivers and stuff and so um if you feel like someone's threatening that you might like uh dig your heels in a little deeper against that so it could be that kind of situation right like like the burping contest but a little more subtle right we're still competing for the uh the top dog title there so maybe maybe that's it. Um, I don't know. Yeah. It's interesting. I feel like

we see so much of people talking about how Rachel is such a big threat and such a problem, whatever. Um, but she, she keeps skating by. Um, and, but we don't always see why people are saying that about her. I think maybe a little bit from Andy today when he was like, even despite everything, Maybe a little bit from Andy today when he was like, even despite everything, I just like Rachel. That is something that you can't learn. You can't teach. And it's special for Rachel, I think. Okay.

Here's a question from Matt. It says, do you think it got out that Saul was the one who saved Rachel and could that have impacted the vote? the vote. Now, remember, Genevieve was also with the group that was one of the people who she knew that there could only be one of five other people that were there that day that saved Rachel. Saul then fought to keep Rachel in the last episode. Do you think that Genevieve clocked that Saul saved Rachel and didn't tell her? So you're saying your theory is that Genevieve inferred that Saul saved Rachel, never got confirmation, but is acting as if it's true. Yeah, that's possible. I will say it is kind of surprising that there was no theory. I don't want to say that that's I think that that's definitely what happened. Yeah, sorry. I don't want to assign that to you. But it is like it's kind of funny that

that was just dropped like who gave rachel this advantage you would think that would be a hot topic of well when i talked to sierra um i asked her in the exit interview sierra what did you think happened because you obviously knew you didn't do it you probably assumed that sam didn't do it she said she thought andy did it huh and that's what made her feel like that andy was still with gata so that's an interesting theory if maybe genevieve got confirmation from andy also who she was talking to that it wasn't andy maybe by process of elimination it was either it was either gonna be uh saul or teeny yeah and saul was the one really fighting to keep rachel so i think that's sort of two data points from genevieve

who's trying to get who wants to see jenna uh rachel go out genevieve want rachel gone that badly she said in last week's episode she said that she just brought her in on this vote well i think that uh she wasn't going home i don't know but she did say last week she that rachel was like the epitome of like the sneaky threat that you don't worry about and carol you know what that was my idea i wanted to do that that's interesting yeah that would that would make sense it would kind of un it would kind of fuel the desire for genevieve to, to flip where like, right now it feels a little bit out of nowhere. Um, which when that happens, I feel like we're usually missing context,

to be honest. Um, when something, cause I think Genevieve, like, you know, has been like pretty, I've been able to follow her train of thought. Most of the season, I think it may has made it has made sense what she's done so far so it'll be interesting to hear. How about when Kyle was like Genevieve she doesn't seem like a very like you know big strategist or anything like that. Sweet sweet Kyle. I was like

oh no that's such a bad read but I love him. Everyone loves Kyle. Seems like a nice guy. Alright Fiona wants to know will Genevieve target Teenie next? But I love him. Everyone loves Kyle. Seems like a nice guy. All right. Fiona wants to know, will Genevieve target Teenie next? Huh. I guess I would think it depends on Teenie X. I guess if Teenie can put on some sort of great acting show, it's OK, Genevieve.

She hasn't targeted Teenie yet. Yeah. And then, you know, that's the last level, right? Standing? I don't know. I feel like before all this, Genevieve like Saul and Teenie

are working together and Genevieve I think kind of had Teenie's year. I feel like that's almost two votes for Genevieve. So yeah, again, I don't think so. I think that of had teeny easier. I feel like that's almost two votes for Genevieve. So yeah, again, I don't think so. I think that would be a waste. I don't think so either.

I don't think anybody's worried about teeny. I would be surprised. Yeah. I think teeny is, is okay. I mean, not having a lot of agency right now, but is okay. And which is the time to pop off.

Yeah. Paolo wants to know what happens next week. It's four two coups versus five others that can't seem to get their heads together. Could the other five come together against the two coup four? I think like if Kyle is up for grabs again, I don't know how you don't take that shot. You know,

like he's not me. He probably, I don't know. He's won so much like this he's always so tempting um yeah i mean you had sam is worried about sue i would think who knows but i would think that the genevieve and rachel caroline these type of player are all worried about each other so caroline i think could be on the table and then i think Gabe is, you know, I think he has a little bit of a larger than life presence on here on Mount Rushmore. So there's possibly. Yeah, I think like I don't think it's so much of the five other coming together as like the two writing is a little on the wall here like they're even imploding in themselves yeah gabe at the tribal council was

interesting uh that who was he mouthing like everything is going to be okay it was was it to saul just saul or kyle so you know the people that really were on the ends on this were kind of in a bad spot kelly how do they decide what seats you sit in at tribal council? So they just, they have a chart that they show you, um, and say like, Hey, this is where you're sitting. So again, this is my conjecture, but I do think that there is a lot of strategy involved in putting together these seats. Um, I think if you're in the middle, you know, you know that you're important. Where do you want to be? What's the best seat? I mean, I was just going to say my theory is a little blown up by the fact that Saul was all

the way on the end, because I do think that like usually if you're on the ends, like you're not pivotal, but it might be like maybe you're not the one driving the decision. I think the people in the middle are often driving the decision. So you feel like they sit the people in the middle that have the biggest role to play in the tribal council. Yes, and then sometimes that includes the people who are in the hot seat and sometimes it doesn't.

Maybe that was just an attempt to try to get Saul to get up because Teenie is across the entire way and they want a live tribal so that would it make everybody stand up talk to each other but if you could pick your seat what seat would you pick at this 10 person tribal Council do you want to be in the middle of everything do you want to do you want to be all the way to the side so you could see everything in your vision I think like so there's two rows right when you When you're in the front, it's very hard

to see what's going on behind you. So even though you're getting less face time, I think the back row gives you a little bit more visual on everybody, at least everyone's body language. So maybe back row, not right in the middle, but like, like, uh, yeah, back, like middle to one, one side, not too far. Yeah. don't know this is ridiculous what dude which is the best scene this is what people are like oh survivors to gain body this is what they're talking about we're now we're into the podcast what do you want from us this is a good question what is a good question what's the best scene it is interesting you know i think it doesn't and now i like i retrospectively i'm like, oh, I should have frigging known I was going home.

I never sat in the front until that day. Yes. So you feel like you sit and then you sit in the front row. That was the first time. Look at Saul. Saul was all the way in the end. He still was in the front. So you want to be in the second row not the front row

i think so okay it might change at different stages of the game by the way yeah yeah okay uh i'm just curious i could do a burning questions video on that rob yeah that'd be great okay kelly anything else on your mind in terms of where we're at in Survivor 47? Hmm. I don't know. I'm ready for the tsunami. The tsunami. It's happening. Have you seen her tweets? The tsunami is coming.

Is that what she said? Yeah. She's really running with the tsunami of it all. I love it. I think it's great. Very creative. Well, I'm really enjoying Survivor 47. I think it's been really fun.

Very strategic. Very fluid. Was this the best episode of the season? great very creative well i'm really enjoying survivor 47 i think it's been really fun very strategic very was this the best episode of the season hmm it's up there i think it was either i think so this or the kishan blindside yeah i enjoyed that one too this was fun though mean, I think like the challenge was a little long and stuff like that. The last like 45 minutes were just like, for me, that's what I love about survivor is to watch everyone think through all these things and try to think through what everybody else is going to do. So I really, really loved that. And I think that this is just like,

it's so funny how much strategy and thought went into this. And then it was like so unbelievably chaotic. And I'm not even sure who's is this move is going to be credited to and how it's going to shake out in terms of benefiting people's games or not. So very fun. Yeah. One last thing at the tribal council, Jeff brought up to Caroline, like, Hey, and Caroline, you lost your vote. Like, uh, are you feeling like it could be you tonight? I think Jeff, why would,

why would you say that right now? I know that was mean. Poor Caroline is like, you're making me talk while the whole scramble is going on behind me. And she's like being polite and talking to Jeff. I think Jeff just wants someone who lost their vote to go home so bad. Yeah. Has that happened? I think that it has happened.

I think Brad lost his vote, but for the most part in the new era, you lose your vote and you end up being safe. Yes. You know, we talk about this every time. Yeah. Every time we're together. Don't worry about them. They don't even have a vote don't worry about it i don't know i feel like it gives you maneuverability moving forward too if you can survive which most you can all right well let's

talk about what else is coming up kelly we've got all of our survivor podcasts coming up this week you're gonna want to make sure you're subscribed go to we know survivor.com to subscribe before our all Survivor podcast feed including my exit interview with Saul and Survivor know it all is both coming up on Thursday then Kelly the wand off is back what what is that the wand off is the world famous Survivor song parody contest and once a season it comes out it does we will have a wand off for Survivor 47. So Wandoffers, stop right there and work on a Wandoff for the weekend of December 9th, 2024. So it's going to be fully encompassing

the entire season when Josh Wigler joins Chappelle and me on Club Condo that night to listen to all of your song parodies from Survivor 47. Wow, that's great. I can't wait to hear you sing, Rob.

Well, no, the listeners are going to make their own songs. Oh, good. Perfect. Yeah, and they send them in and then Sam, do we have an email address for any instructions for uh what to do with those wand offs okay wand off is a crazy name i love it all right then uh check out dwight moore had a great blog over on the confessional that's our uh rhap newsletter where reality stars write about

uh topics about the shows that they were on Dwight had a really opened up talked about uh the fear of letting people down about when you go and you film a show and then people say like oh you did the show you must have won but you know you know, you didn't. Uh, what's, what is that like for people? Dwight talks about that. I've never seen anybody write about that before. Kelly. I love that. I think that that's, I mean, I've experienced a lot of that. Um, and you have to lie about it for so long to most people. It's very hard. So I think I read the article. I loved it. And, uh, I always appreciate vulnerability. So, yeah. So check that out out you can read that for free at reality tv newsletters.com then kelly do you do the big brother i dabble okay you know i know i know i know of course i know who quinn is come on quinn yes okay a very he's all over blue sky interview yes and twitter

quinn's big on blue sky no i don't know i'm just i was just using that as like a euphemism for the formerly disgraced x but yes yeah so uh taryn spoke with quinn for five hours uh this week and you can catch that in our big brother podcast feed wow we know big brother.com so uh check that out and plus taryn has another deep dive coming with the winner of big brother 26 uh chelsea just sat down to talk with taryn and that deep dive is going to drop on friday so be on the lookout for that. That's all at weknowbigbrother.com. On Friday as well, I will be talking with our patrons, taking their calls. I'm sure they'll have a lot to say about this episode. We've been going about two, two and a half hours taking patron calls every single week,

talking about all of really a lot of great in-depth strategy questions from the patrons you could hear that every week on our patreon feed at robsonwebsite.com patron okay kelly what's coming up for you i'm chilling you know chilling chilling like a villain or not i don't know if anyone would say that about me um you know just hanging out how do villains chill these days you know, just hanging out. How do villains chill these days? Hmm. Doing a Ray Lewis dance.

Yeah. Did you think it helped it or hurt it that the necklace fell off during the dance? Oh, I think it helped the overall entertainment value of the dance. Yes. Yes. That's my favorite part entertainment value of the dance. Yes. Yes. That's my favorite part of Gabe doing the dance.

And then the necklace like falls off. He was, he was sending it. Stop. You know, if you're going to do that, you got to do it. You got to do it full throttle,

fully committed to it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Incredible job there by Gabe. All right. But Kelly, thank you again for joining us for this. Uh, you're such a natural at doing these. Oh, thank you so much. I love doing it. I think it's so fun.

Kelly, what other reality shows do you watch? Um, I watched the traders. Yes. I watch, I watched the entirety of the anonymous. I don't know if anyone else mentioned it earlier. I enjoyed the anonymous very much i loved it yeah i thought it was great yeah i saw nina at unc last week do you see what i'm about to pull out here no what do you have i want you to know i missed the summit for this. So, you know, I really kept up. For sure. Of course. Yes.

Okay. I love to watch people cross ravines. So anyway, I love the summit. I'm going to have to go rewind my TiVo and watch the summit. Yeah. Now, Kelly, do you play the guitar? Yes, I do. Okay. Will you make any original song parodies for the wand off coming up in a couple of weeks?

Oh, wow. I could think about it. Can I recruit Brandon Dodlin to sing? Okay. Then we could do it. Is he a good singer? We're going to find out. Maybe we could rap.

I bet he would be an amazing rapper yes yeah and homage to rome absolutely absolutely okay we'll get all right well thank you all so much for joining us for this one i'm looking forward to checking out your comments here on youtube and then on thursday i'll be back with sol Saul and Steven fish back and we'll see Steven is going to have a real catch-22 as the number one Saul superfan will he give the fishy to Genevieve for this week's episode find out when we talk with Steven on Survivor know it all so it's going to be live at 3 p.m Eastern take care everybody have a good one bye