RHAP: We Know Survivor - Kevin Jacobs on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 8

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

Mike and Liana are joined by Big Brother Canada 10 winner Kevin Jacobs for Episode 8!

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as Sierra did at that tribal council. I thought you at first, you were going to do Jeff's British accent. That's what he did. Is that what that was supposed to be? I mean, from the tone of your question it sounds like i didn't succeed in the mission but yes that's the intention behind it okay both equally bad so i guess you did really capture jeff probe's essence then there we go

exactly uh all right well we are talking today about a big episode of Survivor. Of course, a very eventful week, and Survivor certainly added on to that with the return of the auction, a power flip, and at the head of it all, glasses free since 2024, is Andy. And we're going to talk with somebody who, listen, if you're not subscribed to Confessional at this point, what are you doing with your live? Because you're missing out on the fact that this guy put out an incredibly timing appropriate piece this past week about if andy's life in survivor was a movie and it's safe to say kevin jacobs that we have right that we saw many weeks ago but we have

reached quite the climax in said film. I'm endlessly fascinated by Andy. He is, he is everything. He is all that every week. He is interesting to watch. And if he doesn't win this season, I'm I'm right. Give me Andy on 50.

Give me Andy on 49. Also, I love this man so much and I am ready for the Andy doc. The constant fixture on survivor becomes and yeah put him in every season it does feel scripted right like it doesn't it feels good when andy comes up with zero dollars from the auction or for the auction this week no way which like right past the tubes no way well and i was also re-watching that scene pretty sure he wasn't wearing his glasses so that listen i get the whole aesthetic approach to like listen i'm a whole new person now but also you are nearsighted or farsighted in this case you should probably wear your glasses because

you will get zero money at the auction as a result and you're assuming it wasn't intentional yeah i mean that's a good point as well there is this next level idea of okay if i don't have any money then i won't lose my vote and while i think that andy unfortunately wasn't able to eat anything at the auction he was able to serve up his former tribe members a nice slice of humble pie tasty well i think also if it was intentional there was an opportunity to have food shared with others which was really glossed over in the episode i don't remember who won the cake but then yeah sierra maybe had a peanut butter dish that she chose not to share with him yeah she had she had the whole the bowl of peanut butter that owed back to the amazon and she picked what gabe and caroline i think and it's it is a little bit

like now maybe there was an unwritten rule that because andy had no money he had zero stakes in the auction like he couldn't participate in anything including being brought in he was a voyeur only yeah but once you spend your money, you can still, like, I think, didn't Gabe spend all his money at that point? So couldn't he? He's still- Yeah, but he at least had money to begin with.

Like maybe production was saying, listen, if you're going to try to play our game this way, Andy, we're going to try to outplay you back right now. You can't even talk during the auction. In fact, go stand in the corner and face away from us and think about what you did not finding any of those beautiful tubes in the jungle it's like a knowledge without power kind of thing or what is safety without power he has to stay yeah exactly and you don't get to do anything oh my god well kevin what have your

thoughts been about survivor 47 so far because we have sort of not reached the final stage but it is a pretty pivotal stage the jury has now officially begun despite the sort of like uh maybe uh stutter start we got with the merge and then splitting up again and it does seem like again a huge phase shift in andy finally being able to come into his own with this big storyline a big rarity in survivor and we'll see how much it plays out for him down the line but considering everything that's built up to this point what have been your thoughts about the past two months of survivor 47 what i like most about this season is that they have players the players are playing

which i know crazy crazy that that that that stands out to me but every almost all this cast seems like they actually want to win and they're willing to play to win which i really appreciate so even someone like a caroline who hasn't necessarily been front and center in every episode is clearly a smart player who is self-interested and that's all you can ask for in terms of the like uh wacky weird stuff there's there's enough to keep me interested so i really enjoyed rome to me rome was a wwe character he knew he was on tv he was playing it up i really enjoy andy uh i really enjoy like i mean i actually think they they gotta get out teeny soon because teeny is such a fun character for me who's also playing a great game so i'm having a good time is there too much of people losing their votes and not letting the players

play absolutely but i'm enjoying it i think that's a probably a solid assessment of the season because it's not overtly wacky, right? But there's enough smattering in there. And I think that the thing that stands out really is how every single player is actively trying to make a difference and have their way happen. Right. And I think that this episode is a really good example of that, where you have this Rachel Sierra, Sam debate going on about who they're going to split their votes between. Who is it that is the main target?

And we get to hear everybody advocating for their position. Genevieve advocates for Rachel. Teenie advocates for Sam. Saul advocates for Sierra, which ultimately comes to fruition. And so we really are seeing everybody try to put in their input into the direction the game is headed and yeah and that makes me very excited especially for the the first sorry go ahead well i mean i think on the surface it's not wacky but like if you go deeper like for example saul kind of played the straight man for the pre-merge um and now he's putting together his ssa and like uh wearing a rome shirt and a secret like i think i on the surface level they're normal people but

if you go one deeper they're freaks and i like that yeah that's exactly it in my opinion it is the sort of like secret freaks the iceberg freaks just sort of like oh you seem fine on the surface but like because i think especially in comparison to 46 a lot of people early on were like where is just the absolute wackadoo chaos that came with that but what i love is that we sort of get a little bit more of like the vegetables to balance out the candy diet that was 46 that like this might end up being the most strategic season of the new era. I completely agree with what both of you are saying, especially from Liana's perspective, like that pre-tribal council strategizing scene.

It's honestly one of my favorites that I've seen in a long time because it was this weird sort of proxy war where each of the three Lavos were each sticking up for one of the three Gatas that were in danger. And it's also a lot of fun as well, because again, on paper you think, okay, now Andy's sort of like cobbled together. Octet is now going to run the rest of the game, but it's become abundantly clear. And it should be early on that it's like,

we can abdicate some control, but at the same time, I want to make sure I get what I want done. I think what's also really fun about this cast is I feel like they have a really good chemistry together whether it's them like joking to each other or in the case of some of these you know you mentioned rome and saul like these big rivalries as well i i think that this cast happens to work really well together not only from a strategic perspective but the interpersonal perspective as we've talked about numerous times in the past few weeks,

they are not afraid to wear their heart on their sleeve. Even someone like Sierra, not as emotional as a lot of the boots that came before her, but still like very clearly surprised and pissed off. So there really is a lot to enjoy about this season. I mean, that said, I'm sort of on and off about the auction this time around like i for some reason jeff has it in his head that we need to stick with this idea of okay it's a race to lose your money the most of the you know the the in the fastest amount of time or else you're going to lose your vote so if we had to have that then sure pile more random stuff on top of it do a cash back

program to trick the people to try to bankrupt themselves uh you know do the the whole monty hall stuff in fact do it even more if we're just gonna like keep on uh complicating a knot that should just be a simple bow line then throw as many ropes in there as possible just to make it as, again, odd and weird as possible. Yeah, it's like, for me, the way that Gabe did his best Drew impression at Tribal Council, where he was talking about the World War I ceasefire, I like that element of it,

but if you're going to take someone's vote away, it makes it actually even more serious. I'm with you. Go more camp. I think let them keep their vote. Don't make it an arbitrary thing like that and get even weirder. Throw more fish eyes in there. Throw more grub in there. Have your family lined up and have one person get a family visit. Let's get as weird and crazy as possible that would be wild that would be absolutely wild if you could bet or even if it was just a phone call or something right i i practical hate hate hate hate this idea of you need to spend all your money because to me it makes no why what is even the point it It's like, what auction is like that?

Like auctions are so fun and exciting because you get to see people doing these bidding wars. But what ends up happening is because it's like, ooh, I need to save my money because there might be something better coming on down the line. Like that's where the intrigue comes from. What ends up happening is that it's just like,

whoever has the most money bets all their money and then that's it, it's done. And then it's like, well, whatever item I have, that's what I deal with. Right. Just because the losing your vote is such a big deal that you're not willing to do that. So fine. I'll eat the fish. I I'll eat the worms, whatever. Like, let me just get rid of my money. And that's so dumb. It just takes away all the fun from the auction. I actually forgot about that twist until Jeff mentioned it. And I looked over at Pouya and I was like, you've got to be kidding me. I was so mad that it came back. I hate it. I really, really genuinely hate it. And there are very few things that I really hate in Survivor.

And for some reason, this is like the one thing I've decided I just really strongly dislike. Yeah. And so I don't think it's a coincidence that the first five items were done in the way of like a typical Survivor auction, right? Except for like jeff puts up the first item it says all right whoever bids 200 right now goes and like okay sure i guess that being the first item is a very interesting way to start the auction but maybe does represent a microcosm of to your point liana the just spend as much of your money as possible but i think that once we get past item five where jeff pulls out the weird shakespearean voice then we start getting into okay item six was the apple pie saul spends all his money uh item seven rachel spends all her money on the burger and fries then jennifer spends all her

money on the tray of sweets then we get into you know the weird stuff going on with the grubs which again is fun for me like Jeff talks about it on fire like he just wanted people to eat bugs again for whatever reason maybe he's feeling nostalgic for Borneo like the rest of us coming up on year 25 of the first season and so he thought like all right I'm gonna do a challenge inside of the challenge the auction is a challenge in and of itself but you could feel such a stark contrast for me between okay this is just a fun and fancy free auction in the first five items versus okay we got to get down to business with item six okay now my goal is less so to get food that's more a corollary my goal first and foremost

is not to expend my vote so i'm just gonna throw cash, make it rain at Jeff whenever it's possible. Well, I think the other thing is there. Okay. So like format aside, this is why I completely agree with the both of you that just lean into the camp, right? Because you got Jeff doing a British accent. You have Jeff being super,

super interested in Kyle becoming becoming vegetarian for survivor like that was sort of weird like we got this sort of weird fixation we got the what was the breakfast surprise oh i'll wait i'll play out breakfast sunrise spectacular is that like on the ponderosa menu did he make that up on the spot i really hope i i think he may i don't think he made it up on the spot i think he wanted to do his best Denny's and try to like create a signature dish. And I'm obsessed with it just because a now like could you imagine Sierra now going back to Ponderosa and being like, OK, can I finally have that now that I had to eat a bug or decided not to eat a bug to get this now. And also the phrase outwit, outplay, outbreakfast

makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, totally congruent. It's amazing. It feels like if you were doing some sort of corporate event, right? And they come up with these customized survivor buffs and it's like outwit, outplay,

outqueue for sales. It's like, sureit outplay out q4 sales it's like sure i guess that that fits in that it begins without but it makes little logic by comparison to the other two words that's so good that's so funny it's so stupid that's great more of that more of that more of the cashback program which didn't impact anything it was 60 dollars right okay it was the only one with cashback yeah didn't understand that at all and then of course my my one of my favorite moments to cap things off is after the auction is over and jeff looks at the camera and he's telling you to apply to survivor the auction looks fun to apply and survivor dips his pinky finger in the peanut butter and licks it off what a weird moment it was amazing i think it really hit this happy medium for the probes master general and that it's like

okay i want like a button to end this on hey there's a big glass of peanut butter still here i'm gonna dip it in and lick it off but also these grimy ass people who haven't showered in two weeks just stuck their absolutely dirtied hands into this confectionery jar like i don't want to catch anything i've still got 12 days left of this i gotta be in my tip-top shape so like let me go for the least amount of cross contamination possible a little pinky finger peanut butter i i can make sense of this actually so a lot there there's a there's a theory that many years ago paul mccartney was replaced in the beatles oh okay by a look-alike body devil yes now personally i don't believe that but what i do believe is is roughly

roughly a few seasons ago I think we still got Paul I think Paul is still out there doing his thing like you know playing with sometimes the solo stuff you know he does he's out there I think a few seasons ago they replaced Probst with someone else that looks like

Probst and this character this person who who is speaking Shakespeare and sticking his pinky in I'm not convinced this is Jeff oh I mean survivor man well I think it's more so could they have like been trying to test some sort of prototypical AI piece yeah it could be like obviously maybe this version of jeff to your point uh kevin predates a chat gpt and that that craze but maybe they were trying it out they're trying to adapt it into a physical flesh and blood model and so they have just like completely lost the plot you have ai jeff being like does anybody else go to the carnival and play these types of games? And they're like,

we don't know what they're saying right now. We can't pull them away or the entire guide is going to get given up. They gave it a prompt and they were like, hey, when you walk into the auction with this item, can you say it in iambic pentameter and a British accent and pretend

like that's Shakespeare? And then he goes out and he does that and it's like a little bit uncanny and you just sort of okay yeah i love the idea that the devs are just like okay what weird stuff can we make this ai do next big brother got ainsley we get ai jeff probst it all makes sense oh well i think uh maybe jeff had some more janky moments than ainsley i mean the new era is a little janky ask and that it's jeff like getting glee sometimes out of the personal tortures that these people exhibit uh i want to go back to the kyle of it all because yeah what a what an i'm surprised frankly that like pita has not called

for the banning of the show considering like i'm not sure what the tone was to take away from that scene of like good for you kyle succumbing to eating the wings or was it more so meant to be like a quirky you know kyle's trying to be like i'm such an animal i can't i can't look at myself in the mirror anymore are you saying from like kyle's perspective or just the idea like objectively the idea of okay this guy has this this standard that he didn't want to harm any animals. He talked about this a few weeks back in a secret scene. And now he's like, ah, too hungry. And then just downs a bunch of chicken wings like that is a little odd on paper.

The tone, the tone was confusing. The tone was very confusing. He like really was was disgusted with himself and he's also like i'm just i'm just hungry and jeff's like yeah yeah okay i 100 agree and on top of that when he eats that first wing he cleans that bone that is a man who knows how to ride a bike you never forget how to dust off a drumstick exactly yeah it was he was definitely just smiling too much and i don't know if that's just kyle in general that's true or out there he was just like excited i mean they're already dead kyle

i mean bring back a life what i will say is like i think this the dynamic that has brummed up to become my favorite thing is kyle and saul like they feel like they're two sides of the same coin and that they are just such unique personas right like kyle kind of always has this really positive way of speaking even if his day is going wrong where he's talking about like i won my third immunity challenge that's great i'm probably gonna get voted out tomorrow but you know what today's pretty darn good and then you have saul who speaks like this and even when he's incredibly angry he's just gonna sit around and say it like it is and like these two are two sides of the same coin and so i don't think it was a surprise whatsoever in retrospect that they absolutely love each other

at the beginning of this episode they're just like the the i feel like they're the king of the hill like those four guys like just like standing there like yep yep got the like cut off the top of the coconut yep you know yeah they have the same communication style that doesn't quite match you know that secret scene that you're talking about kevin saul's like you know rome and i really hated each other i kind of want to wear his shirt and kyle's like you should definitely do that that sounds like a great idea and then he just like puts it on and i'm gonna do something crazy and he just kind of like stands around in the shirt and doesn't really do anything yeah like seriously people look out for this dynamic this is one of my favorite duos maybe in recent memory on the show because they just they talk about how

survivor is a once-in-a-lifetime experience where you get to interact with people that you would never talk with in real life they just pass by on the street look into each other's not each other's look into your own phone and don't really give the time a day. I think to be candid, these guys are, for lack of a better term, soulmates. And I'm so happy that the two of them have come together right now to just bond over having these like plaintive, contemplative personalities

and also over the fact that these kids haven't seen the Karate Kid. That is disgusting. They can bond over references. They're getting along. It's great. we love that i mean close enough welcome back john love it complaining about like uh oh these people don't know these references see he would have fit in well with these guys we just had to get the one from each tribe together they could have all been bffs i uh i do want to briefly go back to the outwit outplay out breakfast breakfast surprise or

whatever it was called um and Jeff AI so I did ask AI to name food dishes based on survivor just to see what would come up and it came up with some pretty generic ones tribal council tacos blindside brownies but it did come out with outwit outlast out snack nachos so there's some credence to this theory i think with ai jeff probes outwit outlast out snack nachos leona that's horrific that's horrible that is just so bad look i'm not saying that it's good but i'm saying that at least that same pattern of yeah yeah it's better than out breakfast yeah i like like it's it's great it doesn't even make sense that's not a verb breakfast is not a verb i mean that's the thing is i was given the exercise i it's like closer to what i would give as my answer

which would be out chip for a nacho based dish. But it's definitely to Kevin's point, not just naming the time of day that you usually have this meal, which is where we settled with out, without play out breakfast sunrise spectacular, which also sounds like the name of like a survivor fire festival, you know, like, Hey, come to that. I'll play out breakfast sunrise spectacular chase rice ben katzman playing one night only i would go to that as long as there's food

maybe some breakfast surprises or whatever no it's only the grubs oh are we uh are we banning margaritas that's a good point we. I think we have to. Yeah, so now we have a curse, folks. Especially in the new era, we had last time Kelly Nell Bandian drank a margarita, relished her time there, got voted out that very episode. Ciara, lavishing in her margarita, takes a fake selfie with Jeff, ends up getting voted out in that very episode. And I believe also,

I think it's Rob's fact checker or someone online has also tracked that the last two auctions that happened before the new era, which was worlds apart and which was, which was a Kaga Yon, the person who bought the margarita in the form of Jeffra and Jen got voted out in that episode. What my theory presupposes is, I don't know if we need to get rid of the margaritas.

I would more so say like, I don't know if you're a young woman and it's tough because I would imagine it's a bit of bread and butter when it comes to like, I see a mark, I go crazy, but like stave off temptation, you know, save your money. Don't go in on the margarita because chances are that's going to spell your doom more so than the hangover the next day. What if the item's covered?

What do you do? You're done. You've been on it and you're done. Your game's over. It's fate. I imagine they just, if they were to stay in the game, they would just wake up with the worst hangover.

Like you've barely eaten and you have this giant, you have this giant margarita that's filled with, with sugar and booze. And then you just wake up in the Fijian sun, like sweating, like maybe they're winning by getting voted out. Cause I imagine that morning would be absolute torture. You've had,

you've had 200 calories that day and you're drinking this giant bowl and you wake up and you're next this giant bowl and you wake up and you're next to like dan foley like night yeah maybe oh maybe that's what it is maybe it's like a sort of a mercy kill yeah exactly you out of your misery we'll send you to ponderosa don't worry it's okay i mean that's the thing maybe they should provide more unhealthy items for these starving people so that it just makes you feel like you know what i don't need to go strategize today like i'm just too full i'm too hung over and so then everyone else plots their doom while you're still trying to like nurse the havoc that the margarita wreaked on you yeah the del campo special

meat so tender so how do we move forward from here? Because it looks like Hell Hath No Fury, like a Sam scored. It seems like that he wants to sort of set fire to everything now that it was abundantly clear that the Gata-Tuku war has resulted in quite a casualty. My mind keeps going back to what Jeff said preseason about how the theme was ever shifting power do we believe that that's the case do we think that like this alliance of eight will hold

to get rid of a Rachel or a Sam or do you think it really was okay we'll work with each other for one vote but there are bigger fish to fry I think it's going to be interesting to see what Tuku does in this situation because we I feel like even though, yes, we got to hear everybody sort of advocating for their position, we didn't hear as much from them. So Caroline, for example, had talked so much about Rachel's such a big threat. So is there a universe where, OK, now we go back to Rachel or is this a situation where we don't want any one group to get too much power but they still have four people so i think there's absolutely a universe where if kyle for example immunity winner extraordinaire is available to be voted out you know do things shift in the other direction and kyle ultimately ends up going home i think we're going to see a very fluid gameplay throughout

the rest of the season especially because we have so many cross tribal alliances now rachel andy sam marked as safe from next episode they're they're gonna be good the the power's moving too fast and now that especially when you have the the sort of power duo of sam and sierra one's gone they're gonna move on i actually think sam and andy are going to i almost think with andy it's part of like i don't know i want sam to myself like now that sierra is gone i think he's gonna work on that relationship again and i mean they got they gotta take out tuku if they're gonna because it's it's getting it's getting a little tired they're they're for them like that i just i think i think a Tuku's going.

I think it's going to be Kyle the second he doesn't win immunity. Because also look at the fact that, like, yes, the Tuku's stuck together as a block this time around, but it's because Gabe was up on the block. And Gabe has probably the most connections from what we've seen in this Tuku block, where obviously he has the thing with Sue and Caroline. And it seems like he had some sort of connection with kyle where he was feeding him all this tiana stuff so i i do think

that if and when kyle is vulnerable that i could see again we've we've said it for weeks that like sue is looking for any and all excuse to kind of turn on kyle and i can imagine this would be the case maybe it also pushes forward this idea of you know what ended up happening with the tiana boot which is like we're not this unified block of four don't worry about us i could see to your point kevin it sort of just becomes this game of like okay this week what's the the block of voters that are the most threatening and then you vote one of them out and it's like well well, they're not really threatening anymore. They lost the number.

Let's focus on this other thing rather than necessarily what Sam was advocating for, which is just like this pure cleaning of house of one in particular alliance. I think that there's no way that that's going to happen. I mean, one, obviously,

knowing what Jeff said, but even just if you look at the game board, you look at the connections that people are making, there's so much going on. And you have now got it down to three, even though Andy's obviously sort of flip. You have Lava with three and Tuku with four.

And so I have to imagine there's going to be some sort of spreading of the votes as they seem to pick off whoever shifts now to the top of being the threat list that seems to also just be the general game plan and the new era in general once you reach merge let's let's uh put our cards down right here does rachel play her idol next episode she obviously makes this fantastic read to play the shot in the dark to basically gauge everybody's reactions to see if she needs to play the idol. Nobody really does a thing.

And so she decides not to do a thing as well. Do you think, though, she's spooked enough in being left out of the vote to say, like, I'm playing this next time no matter what because there's a good chance I could be surprised again? No. No. No. There is nothing better in this season

than being on the bottom. Someone is going to scoop her up, be it Genevieve or Teenie, or maybe she's already in Saul's secret agents. Like, it's... If you are visibly, which she isn't necessarily, but if you're visibly on the bottom, which she gets credit for making herself seem that way, like you're,

you're good. You're going to, you're going to survive the next vote. I think she'll be safe out. I don't even think she's going to be an option. Wow. And I think Liana. Well, I think I agree with Kevin. I think that also by her playing her shot in the dark hides the fact that she has the idol to a certain extent, even though obviously we know because she's looking around trying to gauge people's reactions to her being safe from the shot in the dark. But okay, so now she knows that she knows that yes, while she was left

out of the vote, she was not the target. She got zero votes on her. And now she has this completely secret idol. I think that if she can work on those relationships and if she starts to hear, I mean, especially if Kyle doesn't want immunity, there's no way she's going to play it, right? Because even though we know that there are some people who are looking at Rachel, specifically Caroline, I think that that isn't going to come to fruition

until a little bit later. So I think that Rachel is probably safe, at least for next week, to not be playing that idol. What do you think about the way of finding this idol I mean we've talked about in the season's past like putting it underneath the shelter but cutting open the tar I guess like I should say putting a slit in the tart to reach in and grab it I mean this is uh maybe one of the riskiest idols I think besides outright finding

it in the middle of a challenge i would love to have heard what her game plan was if she got caught right because that's something i would think of so i would say okay obviously i'm gonna go for it but if someone comes by what am i gonna say i'm doing like fixing the shelter i don't know because she did it with everyone there that's wild to me two things for me one is if i was one of the other 10 castaways and i was in the shelter and watching this on tv i would be hitting myself like that's so embarrassing for them the wake up wake up look around look around there are 10 of you look around and then second if i'm rachel and i get caught i'm i'm leaning into it i am saying i'm playing this tonight maybe i will maybe i won't but i i'm i'm okay you know about it cool here's my idol

you play around this this is a power play for me yeah that's the thing is that and it would make jeff so angry right because we talked about this last week Liana that you could tell that production maybe isn't the happiest like they're happy that people are playing idols but not with the fact that people basically just make them like you know one-time uses and that they pretty much amount to nothing in terms of ultimate outcomes if Rachel got caught and had to make it yet another public idol that she basically had to use that night and have no impact on the vote, that honestly might send Jeff AI into overdrive.

He might need to be rebooted after that. Yeah. That's janky week. It's janky. Yeah, we're going to have AI, the death of Jeff AI, and we all have to mourn it and sing a song as he's dying.

In this season, it would make sense. P-R-O-b-s-t we love thee we love thee that's so sad oh yeah i i mean look it's it was definitely a ballsy play but clearly she could sense that she was on the outs and especially when you just come from a tribal council was essentially your dead man walking until Saul gives you that advantage, which also that's the other thing. What do we feel about Saul telling Rachel that he was the one who gave it

to her? Because we had discussed this last week about maybe like he should, he should. And I know there was a lot of discourse about what he should be saying, but ultimately it does seem that he wanted to tell her to cultivate that relationship to get the SSA is up and running. Yeah, I mean, you and I talked about this with Mary last week, Liana, that, you know, this is an opportunity to make a connection. I think and I even alleged this as well in last week's podcast that there must have been something off screen that he was clearly trying to work on. There must have been something off screen that he was clearly trying to work on.

And he makes that clear, obviously, in the opening here that, yes, maybe it was a way to also earn goodwill with the Lavos and the Gatas. But it seems first and foremost, he had this personal connection with Rachel that he wanted to foster. I do find it interesting that he basically tells her like, and don't tell anybody or it will hurt me. I mean, I guess it works from this perspective because it's like, I am one of your biggest lifelines in the game. And so if you hurt me, you're hurting yourself. But at the same time, I feel like it's sometimes a tough deal to make in these social strategy shows of like, hey, don't do this thing

because it's really going to reduce my chances of winning the game. I actually think he played it really well. I maybe wouldn't use the same phrasing for keeping it a secret but you gotta use it to build the relationship and i think waiting on it until this this game moves so fast an hour before tribal be like i was the one who saved you four days ago oh like it's kind of hard to to move on that at that time i i like i think if at that moment he had essentially tried to make a final three with her i think if at that moment he had essentially tried

to make a final three with her i think that's perfect because then it's not about when you say oh hey don't tell anyone it's not about saul it's about rachel right like he's saying don't tell anyone because i want to go to the final three with you and we need to protect us it becomes about the us the we not the I so I think that that could have been a good way to you know and maybe he did that maybe we just didn't see it but I think also then it affirms like hey look I'm very serious about going to the end with you and then hopefully that can lock them into this sort of silent agreement yeah so we shall see I mean that's also a really interesting relationship and we talk about to your point Kevin of like Rachel's

going to be absolutely fine next episode that is not only a good reason why she stayed this episode but maybe moving forward is like if we continue to have these lavo three really be in the middle of everything if you have someone vouching for you so much as saul is then yeah i can hopefully combat any sort of wave that someone like Caroline continuously brings in. And I guess Genevieve, Genevieve now is sort of on board saying, Oh, Rachel's too threatening at this point. Yeah. Like if this was the traitors,

the lava three would be the traitors. And if you make friends with the traitors, they're going to look out for you as they're committing their murders. Didn't Lance, that didn't hit, that didn't hit that didn't hit no no i love it i mean that was the strategy of a survivor winner on that show last season right that was sander's entire mo it's like oh or she claims i'm like oh i knew who the traitors were but i know if i buddy up to them then they have every reason to keep me and no reasons to get rid of me yeah i mean i just think there's so much power in those three uh

they're probably gonna cannibalize each other at some point and like them meeting in i think it was the water to like discuss everything did give me a lot of shades of the traitors going up to the tower and pulling off their metaphoric hoods and talking about who they want to kill tonight thanks for saving my metaphor there guys anytime anytime well if only they had the terrible portraits on the portrait wall as well yeah yeah yeah do you think jeff should after snuffing someone's torch like take a portrait of them off the tribal council wall and throw it into the fire at the center please yes obviously because i think that we got rid of like the jeff jerry springer-esque

final thoughts to the contestants uh Jonathan LaPaglia is still having them going especially with some some puns thrown in there so I think it's a good reason for Jeff to bring them back like he could pull Sierra's portrait off the wall and says the only thing that you can't nurse is a nice burn from a blind side and then just toss the portrait into the fire you just come up with that right now mm-hmm that's good that's amazing let's see just hire me Jeff I can be your uh your ghost writer there i'll whisper into your aie or i'll give you the prompt yeah you just have to type it you can do it remotely that way you don't even have to be there well let's go you're good to have this thing well no i was just gonna

the other thing and this sort of leads into uh what we're going to talk about with our predictions. But I do kind of want to talk about like the arc of the Sam Sierra pairing, and how we got so much build up of like them as a pair. And then we got to see everything. I mean, obviously, it started with the Andy starting to turn. But I think even especially in this episode, there were just a few little comments that were included by the editors that I really appreciated. So Sam, when he was doing his commentary of the money hunt, when he goes, Andy last as usual, and we know that Andy is going to turn. So it was sort of this just beautiful setup for ultimately everyone going in on the two of them. And then you had later on in the episode, the Sierra confessional talking about, you know, we're just dragging him along. We have him in our pocket. And then Andy saying they think they have me in their pocket. That was so beautiful. I really

appreciated that from the editors telling that narrative. I've also talked about this on social media that it is my low key theory that, yes, Sam does not end up with the lowest amount of money, obviously, by default. And he does. But he does end up with a low enough amount where he ends up you know succumbing to the most amount of money least amount of votes twist in a manner of speaking i think partially it's because he was uh outfitted briefly in the middle of the jungle to hold on to a bamboo tube and do some sort of breaking news report as everyone else is running around around him yeah they screwed him reporting live yeah damn it sam if only you were i don't know a detective or something they wouldn't have pulled you aside for occupational based confessionals yeah yeah exactly it's his own fault shouldn't have been a reporter

well the gata relationships i don't know i'm just i'm in i'm on another planet the gata relationships are really interesting i just keep my head just keeps going to the first episode or two. Rachel and Andy had some weird stuff going on where they kind of hit it off, and then Rachel's like, I can't work with this guy. I'm waiting for the ball to drop on something there. Yeah, I do wonder how that got followed up on because obviously it was a little bit of discord for us of

okay it seems like it's andy it's andy it's andy then wait why is it john love it and we found out a little bit from people like annika and like sierra about how maybe that wasn't necessarily the case but obviously the two would have had to have some sort of conversation in those intervening days between you know andy panicking in the middle of the night and waking Rachel up to now, I am intrigued to see, like, if they ever got on the same page or at least feigned it, because a lot of, and understandably so, a lot of this, you know, Carrie-esque edit of Andy

is coming from Sam and Sierra, because they're like, we're specifically keeping Andy in for this reason. But obviously on a tribe of five, a tribe of four, you're talking with everybody and so i guess maybe we'll find out next week exactly where they stand uh i mean it should also be noted as well like i don't think i'm trying to remember because obviously andy is the one that elise is portrayed as spearheading this he does not mention rachel he says that specifically he wants revenge

on sam and sierra maybe it was because mainly they were the ones to throw his name out at this merge feast there's more to this story yeah that's what sam said during that confessional well we got no update we've got no update on their relationship rachel and andy nothing i mean we didn't even get it I mean I guess maybe I'm thinking in the Annika boot a little bit with Andy just but that was more about talking about sort of laying this the you know the fake play and pretending to be oh my gosh I don't know I'll do anything whatever you guys want but nothing really about how he feels about Rachel does he want to work with Rachel does he want Rachel gone nothing we've heard nothing about that yeah which is interesting as well because like you know who's also who's part of the ssa's like

we know there's one member so far but who else is part of is this a fledgling organization i know has salt deeply laid these plans i mean maybe kyle could be a part of it as well like kyle rachel kyle rachel maybe i would say i'm trying to think of like of the lavos who is he closer with i guess genevieve because he was having more conversations with genevieve pre-merge then with teeny it seems i'm not entirely sure that we need 90 minute episodes to flesh this out properly well that's the other thing is interesting is i don't even realize this until my second time watching they didn't do the opening credits this episode uh which was a sign of like oh they had so much to cram in here and i think it's because the auction took up so much of it between the money hunt and all the items that they went through so

and you only give caroline two seconds of eating eye. Meanwhile, Austin had a full episode to himself. Austin had an outright act break where he takes a bite into it, commercial break, and then it came up and he was still eating the eye. Come on. Justice for Caroline. She seemed to enjoy it during the gross worm eating. I think that's something Jeff said. It was like, Caroline seemed to enjoy it. So maybe she wasn't giving the gross reactions that they wanted. So they just yada yada through it.

They were like, you're too badass. Can you stop doing this? I mean, my favorite thing about Caroline, I don't know if it's just in this episode, but have you all noticed like Caroline being one of the best support systems you could have out there? She's like, oh, they want to go for Rachel,

which I am so excited about. Good for you for doing this. Like every, despite the fact that she is clearly doing stuff, she was in the pivotal swing vote position last time. And she has a rather hands-off approach in this episode. But every time something is brought her way, she's like, you go girl, absolutely do that. I would have wanted to do that myself,

but you're the next best outcome. So there's this thing in improv where once you know the yes and but the way the yes and goes with characters is let's say i'm someone who hates everything you could be like oh i love you and i'll be like i hate that or you could be like oh i i just won the lottery and i'm giving you everything i'll be like that's disgusting. Caroline has this like good filter where I feel like somebody could like trip her and she'd be like, Oh, that was such a good prank. Or like, you know, she'll eat a fish eye and she'll be like, Oh my God, this is such a, this is such a fun experience. Great idea. I think when she gets voted out, she's going to be like, you, you guys, you guys like that was so good. I'm so happy's the thing she's slotted into if i had to pick someone who's gonna win it's her at this moment in time i think i think so i don't know we might

not see that where we actually get to see her go good job guys i think we're gonna see hey thanks guys for giving me the money i think it's a combination of we're seeing again tall poppy syndrome the most elevated tallest characters. I mean, you know, obviously not physically, but they're the ones that are getting cut. I think that Caroline is someone who's clearly that go on girl attitude is so good. Isn't that someone that you just want to keep around? I think she's not perceived as a threat. She's got really tight alliances, especially with Sue. She's gotten a confessional every episode. I think that there's a lot of evidence that she

could ultimately end up being our winner so we shall see well one person who will unfortunately not be the winner is the first member of our jury in sierra as we proverbially toss her portrait into the fires around us let's talk about how we thought sierra would do in the pre-season so leona good news nowhere to go but up your winner pick is gone yeah okay well let's see how far you climbed out of this hole how did you think sierra was gonna do well i think i did climb a little bit deeper so what i i had sierra pre-jury okay i said that sierra sierra's positive personality should have helped her make connections but for some reason she didn't click with the pirate alliance which i named r which is andy annika and rachel the r oh i got you because they're pirates yes i came up with that.

I know, I know. I'm so clever. Leaving her strongest connection with Sam. When Gata loses immunity, the pirates refuse to budge on Sierra, forcing Sam's hand to let his ally go. Despite her short run on the show, Sierra was a fan favorite

because she got a number of fun camp life segments, including the recreation of her american idol audition her ally was sam and her enemy was annika a bold take having her you know out her cross network previous reality tv appearances i don't know if cbs would f with that well it would be it was the generic version right like we're not saying the name of the brand. It's the generic singing show. Yeah. When I was on network singing show.

Yes. With that really mean British judge. Unnamed. Yeah. Well, Liana, from a positional perspective, you and I are back on the same page hopefully like andy and rachel i also had sierra going pre-jury albeit a bit later i hired her as our mergatory boot uh so i said sierra calls it with her pre-season prediction of being in a jt-like position on gada her affability and non-threatening persona endears her to everyone on the tribe of putting her in a great position early on sierra makes an early connection with Sam over their shared broadcast experience.

However, her true heart lies with the Days and Days alliance with the women, John and Andy. Unfortunately, Sierra's gullibility rears its ugly head as John is able to convince her at their first tribal council to turn on Annika, believing his half-truths about things she said about her. After seeing one of her closest allies, John, gone at the swap, Sierra attempts to pivot in the individual game. Unfortunately, Sierra just has too many coincidences to Jessica Johnston from Heroes,

Healers, Hustlers. She's a nurse, and the first boot at the merge, picked off as someone the other tribes feel is a social threat but not well connected enough that anyone will fall on their sword for her in short if you're a friend to many you're an ally to no one her closest ally was john then sam and her enemy was the power of friendship that was her enemy the power of friendship isn't it to all of us really poetic if you think about it it's really yeah it's cruel a cruel mistress the power of friendship that's what they say sorry kevin this is what you have to decide between it's picking between which grub you want to eat yeah exactly yeah do you want a fish eye or do you want to grub those are your two options so Liana you had some good stuff with the positive personality that she was fun

that Sam was her close ally Mike I think you had some horrible takes and also some that were like actually really really accurate specifically not the merge Tory boot, but the merge boot. JT like position. In some ways, she was in the pre-merge. She had all the power. As in, well, JT. But anyway, she was just really well liked by everybody. And she had an early connection with Sam.

She did turn on Annika, which you had as well, Liana. But attempted to pivot social threat enemy is the power of friendship i don't know what that means um but my you know when you have too many friends mike you know what the answer is no one would stand up for and sam didn't even have a vote who is our closest ally so mike you're you're getting at this power of friendship baby it conquers all such an a simple understandable her enemy was the power of friendship that made a lot of sense and that really resonated enemies the power of friendship yeah yeah well i've been advocating against friendship for a long time so it's a terrible yeah i read your takes during big brother 18 and 19 i know liana i know all right well big brother 19 is underrated wow okay just go

a little big brother hot take let's move on 60 dollars underneath apple pie this is a cashback doesn't change anything that's a hot that's actually a really hot take yeah let's move on all right well let's move on and uh i don't have some hot takes for you but i do have some hot items right off the auction block because look we got the return of the survivor auction i think and only proper that we go shopping proverbially and none of us are losing their vote instead Instead, we are winning, or at least one of you will be, this game of The Price is Rourke Survivor 47 Edition. For those that are unaccustomed to a B&B tradition, how this is going to work is that I have scouted out eBay and Etsy.

I was searching like these contestants did and found a bunch of bamboo tubes, unlike Andy, of some nice little chestnuts of items. I'm going to present an item along with some details, and you each are going to write down how much you think this item is priced for. We will, just in honor of Angela's dear departure and Big Brother 26, we will not go with Price is Right rules. I will say the closest

no matter over or under to the number will get the point and hopefully you know holiday season is right around the corner i started seeing some black friday deals uh this might be an opportunity to also give people some ideas for things they want to get for the survivor fan in their life well as we know enemy is the power of friendship so maybe not all right well me you might be able to build the power of friendship with our first item here oh i think it only appropriate that since this is survivor 47 and since rachel found maybe one of the most minimalist idols i've seen in survivor history which is also very fun right because it had to be one that was small enough to not seem incredibly bulky in the tarp.

So it is quite literally two beads and a string. This one's a little bit more ornate. This is Survivor Season 47 Hidden Immunity Idol Prop Replica Beware Advantage Lavo, Dada, and Tuku. And I did leave in there, that is free shipping. This is from FreakLikeMe with two E's on on etsy and this is all three this is a package of all three together yes along with the beware advantages and all the uh documentation available

so liana let's start with you how much do you think this is worth so i think the fact that free shipping is in the title means that it's more expensive than it should be because they're trying to entice you like don't worry you pay this price but it's going to be free shipping so i'm gonna go with 30 30 from leona kevin what about you well the first number i wrote down was 47 and then i thought no that was a subconscious thing like magicians do because i saw 47 on the screen i'm looking at these notes and the and the advantages and i moved it up to 56 dollars 56 dollars well kevin you do get the point but he could have gone with that magician logic just a hair under 47 dollars, $46.91 for this. And yeah, I didn't even think about the 47 timing

and pricing until you brought it up. That makes a lot more sense in retrospect. They should have just made it 47 then. I mean, maybe they were doing it like including tax. Maybe it's $47. But yeah, I think it'd be very cute to have it priced like that. But yeah, if you want to i will

say i don't know no offense to those that uh package these idols either in replica or realistic version but these these are these are not inspiring me incredibly no no also it just really highlights how crappy the idols look like Like, Lamos is just three beads. You should just make this. I think, yeah, exactly. Like, I think we could make these ourselves. And then the person's going to be disappointed when they get it.

What? Yeah, it's like, you wonder why people get fooled so much and are able to make fake idols. This is the reason. Yeah. It's just, it's like making a

sort of complicated dish like once you understand the technique and you have those specific ingredients you're able to make something pretty darn good lavas looks much nicer than the other two i'm just gonna throw i think it's because of like the vibrancy of the red maybe maybe i don't know i i also like that the the tuku one which I'm imagining is the Tuku one on the bottom, has like the blue fringe on it, which none of the other tribes do have. Well, I like the little coin thing also. Alright.

These are bad. Congratulations, Kevin. You were able to guess the amount of coin that this was worth. You were on the board with one point. Let's move into a bit of a throwback here as we go from our most recent season to one in the past. So CBS Survivor short sleeve t-shirt,

season 13, Cook Island. So this is interesting. I found this on eBay. This is from a Planet Gear company. But what I find incredibly interesting is that this isn't just like a crew shirt that has the logo for Survivor islands on it right and this does say survivor cook islands on the bottom i'm not sure how official it is but it has this illustration

of a ship docked with another one in the background with a bunch of uh you know boxes and paraphernalia in front of it and it says in a banner above it kia orana may you live on i believe kia orana is a maori uh phrase that basically is like a blessing a heartfelt wish for a long and fulfilling life i have no idea if this is from the year 2006 or someone just got inspired by their most recent watch of survivor cook islands and made this uh independently but it is a very interesting illustration considering what we're used to in terms of survivor merch i believe in the kiorana is also the literal translation is may you live on so it's like

or may you live long or something like that so it's like may you live on yeah i'm not gonna lie this is actually kind of dope i like this all right well it might be yours for the price of question mark kevin yeah how much do you think it's worth i am going to multiply season 13 by five and i am going to go with 65 dollars 65 dollars there liana what do you have to say? I was going to say $25. All right. Liana, this time, gets the point. Yeah, $19.88, which is what the image on this shirt looks like it's from. More like $18.88.

Share that link with me after, Mike. Listen, I've got it all available for you. So, yeah, only $20 to buy this. Again, i'm just mystified by this because i've never seen this image i'm gonna say it's not official merch based on the price alone this is not official merch this is for the logo it's nice yeah but yeah all right i don't know if i want to walk around with a survivor cook island shirt it's very low on my list yeah i don't want this full of seasons that would have worse merch to represent but only a handful of seasons there i think there's one or a season that's it like i mean you could do you could just uh put a sticky note on it that says like survivor cook islands minus

episodes one and two like after that i was a full-throated supporter of it but maybe not the first two episodes yeah all right moving on our next item survivor fan greeting card uh this is from pension paper co on etsy and it reads and by the way go to bit.ly slash prices roar 47 if you want to take a look at these i realized i should have mentioned that at the top but better late than never the card reads i love that we can watch old seasons of survivor together and judge the contestants gameplay as if the episodes didn't air like 16 years ago interesting argument liana that i don't know are they advocating for like it happened years ago you can't you can't say and argue against anything that anyone did it was a different time yeah they're really it's like okay if you go to cook islands for example and you're debating the

choices that were made we can have that discussion now like it didn't just air however many years ago so you know it's like a survivor it's always of a time right it's it's we can always discuss it i also love the fact that jeff probes has no face on this greeting card this is the ai it's like it got erased or maybe he's wearing a face mask that covers his whole face i don't know i can't tell look i get it drawing faces is hard it's cute i also like the nixon thing i am not a crook with his fingers we're getting a lot out of this what i'm intrigued by kevin is the fact that like yes the green card industry is one where it can just pop out a bunch of different phrases that don't apply to every scenario i really can't think of a single time that I would use this card whatsoever.

This is very specific to two people who specifically watch old seasons of Survivor together and judge their gameplay as if it did not happen. 16 years. It's also what season was 16 years ago. This would be 2008. So this would be sort of on the back of like Micronesia and Gabon. Hmm. Yeah. You know, you're just sitting,

you're just sitting with, with, with the boys on the couch, judging, judging Gabon, you know, over to you like, let's not do this.

Well, here's the thing though. Maybe this actually does make more sense because survivor is sort of in its, you know, this rediscovery period where people are going back and re-watching old episodes so who knows maybe this is a bestseller all right well liana let's see how much of a bestseller this is for you how much do you think this sells for i'm gonna say seven dollars seven dollars kevin what's I'm going to say $7. $7. Kevin, what's your guess?

Yeah. So the way I wrote down my guess was 16 divided by two times one and a half is $12. Kevin going for the $12 grading card, like something out of the paper store or something. Unfortunately, I didn't get you a lot of paper in the win here. $6 for the most niche greeting card I've ever experienced in my life. I live in a city, like, it's expensive here. I am astounded by that. That's an amazing deal. Yeah, for that person in your life

where you watch specifically Micronesia and Gabon with them, though I guess in a couple months, I guess you could also throw, what, Token Sheens and Samoa into that as well. It's only a meager $6 for you to purchase this greeting card. This is written and designed by Eric Reichenbach. This is his logo. It's got dabu doodles all over it.

All right. Next up, well, listen, we got some paper. Let's talk about something that could serve as kindling for a flame. Jeff Probe's prayer candle. If you're in a time of need, say, Lord, I mean Jeff, be your own Russell Swan. You can purchase the Saint Prayer Candle available in three cents from Radical Sabbatical Company on Etsy. If it helps, you can choose between.

They all cost the same, but Comfort Spice, Sea Breeze, and Vanilla Bean, which is my personal nickname for Jeff Probst. Kevin, give me your thoughts here on the candle and how much you think it's worth. You know, you walk into a candle shop, you breathe in. It's probably not something, unless you're a candle connoisseur, that you really woke up going after that day. I think this is the kind of thing that you see on the shelf you buy. So that's going to tell me that it's under $20,

but this is in three cents. Very beautiful. I'm going to say $19 and 99 cents. All right. 1999 Liana. What about you? I think it's over, but I'm debating dicking Kevin and saying $20 exactly.

Or was there not a write down our guests rule? Was there not a rule to write down our guests? Because if you want to open this door, Liana, open this door. Open this. Do it. Do it if you dare. OK, fine. I said I said 30.

$30. We've got. And this time the luxury wins here. $36 for the Jeff Probst Saint Prayer Candle. Which is interesting considering

that, with no offense to the seller, pretty bad Photoshop job here. Jeff looks like he has the thickest neck imaginable to support being fitted onto this saint's body yeah exactly look at his little hand his little hand and his big ass neck his his hand is like the entire it's oh my gosh it's so funny also i can't decide if i think this is sacrilegious or not but i love it regardless um the other thing too is like the the tribal council

or the um the torch is also a little it's a little wonky so i don't know what was happening there they tried to make his neck even thicker they were like photoshopping it and ended up expanding out the side of the torch i don't honestly my note to radical sabbatical company make it all neck just have it be the width of the entire candle yeah the full circumference yeah that's what we love is this a real candle or is this like a electronic candle no it's a looks like a real candle okay okay does it look like a real candle well i thought the little flamey thing at the top looked fake but it could just also be photoshop yeah let's see it looks like uh nope for best results burn candle three to

four hours of each lighting so it looks like there are instructions that you can and it is made of wax so all right just like jeff's neck all right well uh starting to become less neck and neck right now as uh liana is ahead of kevin three to one but there's still plenty more great stuff to check out including our next item if you want to dress like saint jeff probes do i have the item for you this is on ebay courtesy of dazzlem 2 new but vintage cbs survivor hat like the one jeff probes wore in early seasons this is verbatim the title of the listing leona give me your thoughts about the bold choice to use wicker in a survivor hat i don't think i've ever seen did am i i mean you're the historian mike did jeff ever wear a wicker hat on survivor i would imagine maybe once or twice but it just

seems like now granted if we've seen people in past, like wear wicker hats or baskets on their heads to try to keep out the sun, but it feels like from a rain perspective, it seems like an untenable material to use. Well, I mean, and that's also mesh in the back, right? Like this is a baseball cap. My favorite hairstyle wicker in the front mesh in the back. We all love it. And you know what they say? I love my hats as I love my furniture.

So I wrote down. Easily broken by Donny Fairplay. Yeah, I wrote down thirty five. Thirty five dollars. Kevin, give me your thoughts on this beautiful piece of headwear and your guess for a price. This could be AI. This is one of the weirdest, ugliest hats I've ever seen. I just it doesn't do it for me it's almost so bad that i

would want it like it's it's it's just so interesting to look at the design choices of what i believe is the original survivor logo with the wicker and then the mesh which is usually like a trucker hat i don't know what's going on. I wrote down 14 and I have no reason. Okay, so we have 14 versus what was your price again, Leona? 35. 35. I believe by a nose, Kevin is going to get it. But it was very tight because it was $24.99 for the hat.

Which honestly, I paid like $40 in the past for hats. This is pretty, I mean, I guess you get what you pay for, and so I don't know if I want to wear a fourth of a basket on my head. Wait, Kevin said $14. Right, which would be, what, oh, $10.99. So you get it, Liana, because you were $35.

Yeah, exactly. By a difference of what? Two pennies. Yeah. Oh my god. Wow wow all right thank you for correcting my math on that your numbers personally on a through and i know screw letters again i'm getting dominated it's all right listen there's still plenty of time here there's still plenty of time uh andy looking for oh money well maybe you're doing it on purpose you have your glasses on that's the first step towards improvement uh well of course one of the biggest items of survivor merch that exists out there especially on ebay are the buffs and so i figured let's check in on a classic here the ometepe buff

from fire redemption island don't worry it does have active odor control, as the tag says, but this is, you know, fresh out of in pretty mint condition from eBay. Still has the little stand and everything. This is from KAGR1574 on eBay. So let's go

with, whose turn is it? Kevin, at this point, how much do you think this buff is worth? Again, at this point, how much do you think this buff is worth? Again, not sold officially by the buff company. This is sold by a fan on eBay. Yeah, so I buy a buff probably once every three or four seasons, and I feel like usually new, we're in like the 30-ish USD range, something like that.

I know that buff collectors are a thing so these get popular. So, I mean, I wrote down 43, but I feel like it's low. I'm going to stick with that.

It's Redemption Island. Who wants Redemption Island? We were on the exact same page. I wrote down 44. That's okay with me. I respect it. Yeah, so, Liana, I would say you would edge this out, but

it's not really edging out because you were both exorbitantly underballing. What? $350. So more than some of these people at the auction spent on these items when they were purposely trying to spend as much money as possible. No way.

And is that like the going rate if you're if you're betting on on a sort of rare buff so it depends like for example one that i was thinking about throwing in here if it wasn't this was the unused green merge buff from palau that went for i think 249 on ebay uh so i mean it really depends uh for me from my experience you know getting to research these for these games over the years it really comes down to, sometimes it comes down to season popularity. Sometimes it just comes down to like almost the opposite effect of like, well, there's no demand for Ometepe buffs.

So I'm one of the only people to hold on to it. So for you completionists and collectionists out there, you're going to have to pay an arm and a leg to get it. Super interesting. Oh my gosh. All right. Let's move on here. Let me just make sure i got the right item okay next up something you can wear around your head to something you could wear around your wrist so the cook island t-shirt was not the only throwback here cbs survivor tv

show bracelets colored rubber silicone stretch wristband probst i don't know why they threw probst in there at the end but basically these are like survivor live strong bracelets so these are uh green blue red and orange silicone bracelets that have the logo on it have your images of like a torch and a tiki and the logo for the show on it as well as just the word survivor written out so liana 2000's nostalgia is in nowadays does that affect the price point of the listing that i got from uh what i get uh s i like 504 on ebay well i like the idea of including probes like it's going to help the SEO. Algo loves probes.

They love it. They love it. I did write down $20. I have no concept. This could be $5. This could be $1,000. I have no idea. All right. $20 for Liana. Kevin, what say you? Liana, I too am in a mental pretzel. After that $350

Ometepe buff, so if i were mike and i was i was the the the snow yeah get him get in my head i would think okay that was a an expensive one let me do a a cheaper one but that's what the people would be thinking so i'm gonna do one that's a little bit more expensive so for that reason i wrote down 70 dollars oh man well much like vizzini in uh in the princess bride you out thought yourself kevin ten dollars for the lip strong bracelet they're so cool though exactly They should raise the price. Kevin would pay $70 for these. These are nice. What about the, what are these called?

What are these bands called again? The Livestrong Bracelets, remember? What about the Livestrong Completionists? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I was trying to remember, and I maybe have Mandela effect in myself, but I'm fairly sure at least one person wore a Liv strong bracelet on the show for sure i would believe it oh all right well moving on to our next item here i would say that uh people who love ometepe buffs the algo

you don't have to put probes in the title, might be suggesting this item to them after their purchase. You're throwing up the book. A Boston Rob Magnet. This is a magnet for your fridge or any metallic item of your choice that is just an illustration

of the head of one Robert Mariano. Not unlike the one that was made out of wood on the Island of the head of one Robert Mariano, not unlike the one that was made out of wood on the Island of the Idols. He's staring into my soul. Look at his lips. Yeah, they are pretty plump. Nice stache.

Okay. Oh, okay, yeah. I'm glad we have the finger for scale. I was going to say, yeah. I mean, if you want exact dimensions, I can give it to you. This is from Pretty Good Cards on Etsy. Kevin, give me

your thoughts here. Language of origin? Yes. I believe it's Maori. Boston Rob is actually Maori for the Rob that doesn't suck. Can you use it in a sentence? Sure. Why would anyone buy a Boston Rob Magnet?

Boston Rob Magnet. $16.83 Boston Rob Magnet. $16.83. Liana, what say you? Oh my gosh. All I want to do now is buy a bunch of these And hide them all around the house But I am going to go

That's my favorite type of Easter tradition Exactly, yeah Instead of eggs, we're hunting for little Boston Robs Okay, so I'm hoping it's cheaper Than Kevin's And I'm hoping it's cheaper than mine also So I can buy a bunch and hide them around the house

I said $10. Okay. Well, Kevin, fortunately you are repelling these wins like a magnet. It is $5. It's cheaper than the greeting card. Oh,

since I was using as a metric, I was like, well, magnets have to be more expensive than paper. Yes. But the paper is a universal language of hey let's we watched survivor from a decade and a half ago and uh unfairly criticized the players boston rob is a much more unique thing that you want to put on your fridge like just his little head i mean i

think it would be interesting if you're looking for some sort of motivator of like the thing that would probably most disincentivize me from late night snacking and opening up the fridge would be staring at boston rob at eye level yeah i think they need to make a bigger one for that like a full like a proportionally sized boston rob face magnet next sized probes can yes the boston rob magnet yeah There we go. All right. Well, in case you haven't figured this out, we are now moving into the weird phase of this game for our final view here.

So you could certainly look into the eyes of Boston Rob using this magnet, or you could stare into the eyes of a lot of the prominent men of Survivor history with our next item hotties of survivor mug uh so let me paint a picture here for those that are just listening so this is a mug that is festooned with um attempts at illustrating some of the biggest uh faces in a survivor history uh from left to right here we have ozzy uh actually yeah ozzy here saying uh i believe it's i'm having feelings i've never really felt before which i believe was his final tribal council speech to amanda

in micronesia uh we have joe saying my family is the most important thing in my life. We have the aforementioned JT. I believe that JT is saying something like, I don't know why everyone trusts me so much, and maybe the accent. We have, I think it's Woo saying, I'm looking fine, bro. And then on the top, we have Ken McNichol,

I believe from Millennials vs. Millennials. Oh. Who I believe in this picture has some form of Bell's palsy because his mouth is just a little deformed. And he is saying, they think of me as the pretty boy, but I have the strength to make it far in this game. And then finally, I think it's Malcolm. That's Malcolm.

That's Malcolm. The shirt gives it away that it's Malcolm, though I also love the fact that they just like used graphing paper, like generic grid lines to make a shirt that does not go with the angle whatsoever. But Malcolm is saying this isn't just some quickie alliance. Wham, bam. Thank you, ma' ma'am of course that famous quote from malcolm so kevin yeah how much do you think people would pay to pour a nice old cup of a hot coffee into these hotties everybody's been

underestimating me so i'm gonna have my andy moment i'm gonna take a look oh um i think some people would pay a lot of money for this i think there are some people who would pay a lot of money for this and if i'm thinking what's a regular mug well based on the prices here which do not line up with my conversion to canadian or my life in, I'm going to say that a regular mug would be under $10. Let's call it eight based on these prices. Now let's elevate it. Someone is, you know, paying for some of these people's extra content. Some of these people are following them around everywhere.

I'm going to say I'm writing down 13 lucky number 13 liana give me your thoughts about this as you surreptitiously move it into your cart on etsy i mean yeah obviously i'm gonna buy this um the first thing I notice also though is that I believe Boston Rob is also on here because I see the you take care of her I'll take care of you that's from All Stars right uh from what I'm seeing I'm trying to

get like a full from all the illustrations I'm seeing I don't believe Boston Rob is on here but who's this bad angles under hotties of survival yeah oh yeah it doesn't correspond to woo's quote on the other side so i think there's a tiny little boston rob there yeah i just don't he's not in any sort of depictions from a good mug good mood mugs and more of him on here maybe he has the extra surprise he might just be like in b in Boston Rob, right?

Like the fringe benefit. Oh, you get a nice little Boston Rob. Oh, you know what? I do see him now. You're right. You take care of her. I take care of you. Yeah, exactly. Now I wouldn't buy this for Boston Rob, but buy it for deformed Ken McNichol. But that being said, I did write down $25, $25. I feel really good about this. I feel really good about this I feel really good about this I'm hoping it's $13 I'd rather pay $13 Kevin you're feeling good about this

and you should yes oh my god okay obviously I'm buying this immediately please send me the link and I will say maybe one reason to incentivize you to get it I did take a look at the Boston Rob illustration they used and

quite fun it's no magnet I will give it that advise you to get it i did take a look at the boss and rob illustration they used and uh quite fun it's quite fun it's no magnet i will give it that now look we'd love to play some fun and games here on the bnb but who's to say you all can't do that as well during the other six days we're not talking survivor survivor party game so this is a group of games from it's game night on etsy these are eight games that you can play in person with people during i don't know a bar mitzvah a retirement party a funeral uh whatever the occasion might be the survivor party pack all the best funerals yeah survivor party pack it has something in store for you and i i can answer some questions about it i will get into much more detail about this uh after i reveal the price but i'm happy to open the floor to anything y'all might have to ask for any qualifiers about buying this language of origin. It's debatable depending on I'll get into it.

Oh no. That was a joke question. Outwit outplay survivor. Oh yeah. Out breakfast. Where's the out snack? What is the last part i mean maybe it was like copyright infringement that they just took out last i mean outplay is the more game specific part of it so maybe they felt like outlast just didn't make sense for the pretense of this i'll play out game or something like out party okay anyway whatever so okay i assume are you not going to tell us what the eight games in one

are? I can tell you what the eight games are. Okay. I mean, I'll get into more detail about them next time, but the games that you have available are Survivor Charades, Survivor Challenge, Memory Cube,

Survivor Timeline, Survivor Trivia, Secret Puzzle, Survivor Timeline Survivor Trivia Secret Puzzle Survivor Auction and Shape Puzzler What? That's all very clear to me now Do we all not know Shape Puzzler?

Shape Puzzler? Oh the classic game Shape Puzzler Shape Puzzler, it's the one where you are standing on a platform and you have to like move your body to fit through a body shaped hole yeah exactly that classic survivor challenge yes i remember that one all right what uh it's kevin is this like a thousand dollars i mean it's your guess liana so give me your your logic here i won't say much more after that we can get into again a lot more of the details once i actually reveal the price but talk me through your logic okay so a few things stand

out to me one the image is a graphic not a physical item okay that's the first thing i'm noting i'm not actually seeing the product okay so then i'm curious especially given the the shapey movie party game that's gonna be like a big thing right to move through a shape right okay whatever you're not helping so anyway so based on that i think that this is quite expensive i'm not gonna say a thousand dollars but i am gonna say five hundred dollars five hundred dollars for the survivor party game kevin what'd you guess yeah i'll tell you what i what i wrote down so i actually i went to uh grad school for the social science of artificial intelligence. And one of the courses I took, which naturally fell into that,

was the user experience design of board games. It was an elective. And I did some research into board games and the production of them. It's a pretty low margin business. It's fairly hard to make money unless you're in one of the top few board games like there's so many board games out there it's not even that hard to get published but so i've looked around and i think over a hundred dollars it's pretty rare for people who aren't really really involved to get it that said some people love survivor so much i wrote down 59.99 okay so we have 59

versus 500 and somehow you both still got over here it is 15 and three cents uh that is because it is a largely digital thing uh where it's all the stuff is given to you. Oh, wow. And you better believe I bought it. And so I will answer any and all questions you have. Well, let me read the concepts of what these games are. And you can make a judgment call based on that. Yeah, Liana, I wasn't serious about the shape puzzler.

Oh, though, I get it, though though because it's a very confusing thing uh so i've been completely facetious survivor charades players will grab a word from a hat or a bowl and act out the word without using words you have one minute to make a correct guess uh we get i got given a list of charades words that includes things like fire that includes uh survivor terms like blindside that includes you know terms that we associate with the show we love like bird watching that was part of survivor charades as well let's move on here to the uh incredibly no no no hold on one sec so you got a list of words that you have to print and cut up and stick in a bag oh okay don't you wait there's a lot of diy elements that are behind this let's go to the very specifically named survivor

challenge where in survivor challenge you are given a set of challenges to do on a team and then basically like whoever comes in last in that challenge is automatically eliminated or you can play in two teams and like the team that loses has to vote each other out sort of like you ever played flip cup like that back in the days uh and there are some pretty tough challenges here we have throw up spoon and catch it by the handle oh throw in the air we have a vomit flip flip a roll of toilet paper and land it on your fingers i love that survivor challenge that one's my favorite yeah that's the best are everyone stares at each other first person to laugh loses um and i think maybe i think a transfer cookie from forehead to mouth

without using hands that's a classic digital I think my personal favorite write alphabet the Dr. Sean echo heard around the world I need them to do that everyone stand in a circle the first one to

laugh gets eliminated i need that to be fair we have had survivor challenges in the past that literally were pick out the same colored rock as your loved ones so like that we cannot bulk at this point that's fair that's a memory cube was the one where uh it's the one where everyone is like you know jeff has a cube and he's showing a sequence of symbols and you have to replicate it but it does involve cutting out your own memory cube of ornate symbols for you to follow along with yeah survivor timeline this is an interesting one and uh okay maybe this is where i don't know necessarily if english was the first language made by the creators of this because the description of this was

cancel answer a set of questions using survivor locals based on each season. Teams will then have to the logos in the correct order in order to correctly answer the question. Yeah, country game vote out first land on the back of that past. Exactly. What was that TV lamp man dog that cognitive test yeah so the timeline questions are things along the lines of like put in order the seasons that have a hidden

immunity idol in them or like the seasons that boston rob participated in so you get given cutouts of the logos of this should also be noted as well uh this only goes up to 39 seasons so it hasn't necessarily been the most updated it's back in 2019 at this point gotcha so to that point survivor trivia yeah so survivor trivia this is actually it's very fun there's a video version where a question pops up on the screen and you have to answer the question some of these questions being along the lines of where do jury contestants go between each tribal councils oh okay so ponderosa each tribal councils is that a trick question because it's it's plural each tribal councils uh which survivor contestant famously wore a black

hat and was known for his strategic gameplay in multiple seasons? What? I mean, I guess dark blue kind of looks black depending on how you look at it. It like is what? So what's the answer?

I believe it's Boston Rob. It's supposed boston rob oh it's not it's not russell's for russell oh that could be the case as well uh i'm sorry i was distracted by what phrase does jeff probst use to ultimately describe the ultimate goal of the game win out without playoff oh of course yes yeah this is uh oh this is interesting this one is uh what is the name of the challenge where contestants must balance on a small perch or hold on to something for as long as possible what i mean the immunity challenge i mean you were close. It's endurance challenge. On hard idle? I mean, that's the thing. I would have gone super duper specific, but apparently I would have been

wrong because the answer is just endurance challenge. That's great. All right. So let's go through the other games here. Secret puzzle. So, oh, sorry. This is secret challenge, as in the instructions. Teams muscle arrange a six-sided multi-colored cubes that all sides are the same first team to complete puzzle earns five points

so i think this is like the match uh a series of cubes that it's you know no colors repeat on the same side or all colors are on the same side this is a very fun one survivor auction there's a little meta given this week each player will receive an equal amount of money the host will grab items slash paper from a hat or a bowl and place it hidden once that happens the auction will commence and players will bid on

the items so let's just gather things from around the house and put them up for auction using fake money if it's not your house, can you just like grab someone's valuables like the host? You know? Yeah, exactly. Throw in their jewelry.

Their TV. I'm putting the TV up for auction. Next up, Julius's child for auction here. Who wants to do that with their fake survivor money? Yeah, this is wild because this has nothing to do with survivor whatsoever. This is just grab things around you and sell them to other people.

Leona, did you say $1,000? I said $500. Okay, but in my head, I was like, if they're mailing you this big box, it could be like all these things. That's why we didn't actually see it. Finally, the enigmatic shape puzzler all teams race to complete the designated puzzle before the other team and grab the color puzzle shapes and select the first puzzle you want to complete maneuver the shape until you have successfully

recreated the puzzle image so this is a tan gram it's their way of doing a tan gram basically where what you're given is like a bunch of shapes that some of you heard this before you cut out and i guess they're trying to recreate the thing of run out onto the course and grab a puzzle piece and bring it back where once you get all the pieces together then you form this shape i also love the idea of on survivor they run out to grab the puzzle piece but it's like two inches long it's just it's made of paper and they just have to carry it back yeah so this is the 15 survivor party game in a nutshell uh listen i could have spent 15 on much worse things but uh certainly a lark for those of you that are looking to spend some time together now you have eight ways to do so. I love it. Why do one thing well when you can do eight things?

Exactly. Exactly. One, why whole-ass one thing when you can eighth-ass eight different things? Well, we have one last item for you. And maybe the most parasocial we've encountered throughout, not only today's exercise, but really in the history of The Price is Rourke. Amanda Kimball, survivor of Heroes vs. Villains,

final tribal worn sari, hand-signed with photo proof. So this is Amanda Kimball's final tribal counsel from the only time she was on the jury in Heroes vs. Villains. She sold it and signed it kevin this is more so for you a gauge of the internet more than anything i think at this point how much do you think this is worth and this is from dcts on ebay so if the obatepe buff was 350 i have written down i just never underestimate the freaks on the internet um i'm i'm going 444 444 434

in honor of hopefully the fourth time we'll see Amanda Kimmel on Survivor coming up in 15 Liana, what do you think? Amanda Kimmel signed? Sorry yeah, I think I may have underestimated the freaks on the internet I said 250 250

well, I have to say say leona sorry for you kevin is closer but uh as kevin said never underestimate no amanda kimball fans on the internet that's what i would have said for the game 999.99 we value different things it's fine i'd be intrigued to track like if this item has been on the market for long what the price point was because i think also you know with specific sections of the fan base absolutely becoming enamored with amanda kimmel as micronesia showed up on netflix i feel like that's a perfect way to really inflate the price. Yeah, that's possible. That's where I end my day. I just...

You don't want to buy it? You could get a fourth of a Taylor Swift ticket for that. Yeah, but sorries last forever. And you could, of course, don this and do your own reenactment of the surely iconic Amanda Kimmel final tribal council speech to the final three of Heroes vs. Villains.

That we all remember. Well, listen, Halloween is but 300 something days away. Get an early jump on that because, you know, it'll be marked up to two thousand dollars by the time October rolls around. This is an investment piece, Kevin. You have to get in early on the ground floor. What condition is it in? What is it?

Is it It says these items are on screen worn and in perfect condition. Perfect condition. Wow. It also includes a 4x6 photo signed by Amanda Kimmel as well

but what's the picture is it this picture it's that one on the left okay so wait so you get the sorry that she signed and you also get a picture of her holding the sorry that she signed that she signed okay this is a weird you know,

Russian nesting doll of merch. And then now all we need is for someone to take a screenshot of this and have a magic Kimmel sign this and the cycle continues. Exactly. Well, congratulations to Liana for having a handily won victory here.

But I think we're all the victors right now. We've all gotten some new things to stuff into our holiday shopping list we know how i'll have uh some games we can play at the next big rhap event as well i think we're overall the victors uh and unfortunately it is a time that we bring this to a close uh They will close off not the Survivor timeline, but the timeline of the B&B. But of course we'll end every podcast as we do with our guests highlighting a charity

or a cause that is important to them. Kevin, is there anything you'd like to plug this week? Um, yeah. How about my friends at Motionball? Motionball for Special Olympics. They raise a bunch of money for Special Olympics here in Canada.

You can look them up. They do a lot of cool events. They throw galas across the country. They do other fundraisers and stuff. And I think it's cool because sometimes with the charities you know you give your money or whatever and then it disappears and then you're like what happened to that is it just on a balance sheet somewhere like what is what is going on this is very cool to like see the impact because you get to play sports um with athletes and support

them and uh yeah oh that's awesome well kevin thank you so so much always a pleasure to get to talk with you uh and to have yourself submit to these absolute shenanigans to come in with the prevailing theory that jeff may have been replaced by ai a few years ago something that i will keep ai on uh what do you have to plug again as i said before the confessional is really humming along strong right now as we're entering the final couple months of survivor 47 yeah uh if you're not there reality tv newsletters.com we write your favorite reality stars right about what's really happening it's just a different format this week we got, you heard it here first, Dwight from Survivor 43 is writing something. He's told me a little bit about what's going on there.

I'm excited. I think it's a really fun topic and I think it'll be cool. Otherwise, I'm on TikTok, Instagram. I talk about movies typically at Kevin Ted Jacobs. And I've been thinking a lot about like this immunity challenge and I think I'm over it. Okay. Would you prefer any of the ones listed in the party game pack?

Would you rather have them throw a toilet paper roll in the air and catch it on their finger? Yes. Okay. Put that on tv put put funny sounds behind it yeah i just i think you're describing once upon a time have them stack tiles from one to 100 writing the alphabet is like a close cousin to that make them right though i just don't like it's like like i agree with sam i agree with sam sit down and be like't be like, I had 25% of my weight, you know, 50 pounds. Like, there's something weird about this challenge.

I don't like it. I don't like it. I mean, what's interesting is that, you know, Charlie, I'll be interested to see if they bring it up for 48 because 47 barely had any time. Like, I'm pretty sure they went out to play either right after or right before the moment aired with Charlie winning and talking about how grip strength was the most important thing to winning.

So they couldn't have tested it whatsoever. I don't know if people really took that to heart for 48. They could last out there for like months instead of the minutes that it usually takes. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy trained it. Andy was right in the mix there. Yeah, very true. Liana, you were in the mix there. Yeah, very true. Liana, you were in the mix, of course, doing your usual coverage. Anything you'd like to plug this week?

Just keeping on keeping on with the Masked Singer. Also, Puya has decided we're all going to switch to Blue Sky now instead of Twitter. So he made me a Blue Sky account. So it looks just like Twitter. So you can now follow me on blue sky. I'm at Liana ism.

He's at Puyo ism. So that's sweet. Yeah, it's like, so yeah, I haven't used it yet, but he's going to show me how to use it later. So yeah, I mean, it's I'm on blue sky as well.

I didn't like bloom type. It's very similar. It's I believe the story is that it's a bunch of like previous Twitter programmers that are over there. So it's basically the same thing you check me out on on all social media platforms including cameo addy mike bloom type got to talk with sierra this week which was very enjoyable obviously she gives her perspective on things like the comments about andy like the anika vote etc really great to hear her perspective on that. Of course, on the scripted side, still covering

The Penguin, which is finishing up this week. TV For Real, I was gone, but Sasha was able to talk with Franny about Agatha all along, which sounds like a very fun post-Halloween treat. I'm talking Battlestar Galactica, but I'll be back next week with Liana and a guest covering

Episode 9 of Survivor 47. It is a very exciting time the jury has just begun and as we talked about at the very beginning it does feel like there are so many like independently motivated people at this point in time that it does seem like we're going to get a lot of ebbing and flowing with a lot of different dynamics so yeah even if it spells doom for gada at the moment, I think that is going to be very short-lived, or at least I hope so,

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