RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 10

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

This week, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 47 episode 10.

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The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back together this week after a little bit of an interruption last week. Thanks so much to Owen Knight for jumping in for me on the podcast last week while I had to be a very good husband and attend to my wife's medical needs. Hobnobbing with the doctorati. Hobnobbing with the medical crew. All right, but everything is back to normal over here

and very excited to be back here with Stephen Fishback. Rob, it's a thrill to be back with you too my gosh i missed you i mean it was wonderful podcasting with owen i thought he did an awesome job um rob i want to say before we start i i guess this is actually kind of starting um can i jump right in don't jump right in jump i loved your interview with gabe i just listened to it before we did this i thought it was so good good. I just like, it made me really like Gabe in a way. I did, I mean, I enjoyed him on the show, but I think we got a lot of like kind of mustache

twirling confessionals from him where he was like, I'm just using all these people. And he gave such great, thorough, like big, insightful answers to your questions. He spoke a mile. You know how you like say like some people speak in paragraphs, like big, insightful answers to your questions. He spoke a mile. I mean, you know, you like say like some people speak in paragraphs, like he was speaking in like essay format, you know, like well-structured essay. So great listen for anybody who has not yet listened to it. And I would like, you know, you did mention that you think he'd be a great podcast guest at some

point, you know, when you are hobnobbing with the glitterati, I would like to get him on the, as a fill in. No, at all. Yeah, I think that Gabe, I appreciate all that. Thank you very much, Stephen. That I think that Gabe is a character and a persona. I think that I've been comparing him to like a James Jones of that. Somebody who is like very knowledgeable at the game in like a very like good position for most of the game that they are going to have like interesting takes about the game coming off of the show but i do feel like that survivor doesn't necessarily know what to do with this character i think that so much of

survivor is about depicting the struggle the underdog like andy they know what to do with teeny they know what to do with but person who's kind of like the overdog and other than just turning them into a flat-out villain which they don't really want to do and i don't think that these players are doing anything to necessitate them becoming villains. I think it's a little bit hard for the show to find what to do with these players that are sort of like running their side of the alliance and not doing anything that's making them like unlikable people. Yeah, that's a really good observation. And I think you're right that, you know, those kind of mustache twirling confessionals are the symptom of that. It's like we we got to get him something. We have

to show him being strategic. And it used to that. It's like, we, we got to get him something. We have to show him being strategic. And it used to be back when they were like, yeah, exactly. Right. Back when they were like, and if he wins, of course you show like all the little strategic permutations of that. But like when he goes out in ninth place, you know, and it's, that's hard to do it. And, you know, it used to be that there were three or four really strategic people on a season. And like, then you could kind of really give them sort of breath. But when everybody, and especially this season, really everybody is playing a decent game or better, I think it's what do you do with that guy, the top dog?

You're right. And I think he's great as an establishing character. We got him a lot out of the gate, like building the alliance, looking for the boxes. But then at this sort of like mid merge, you know, where do you show that? And especially. Yeah. So it's interesting. Yeah. So got the exit interview in with Gabe. Then last night had a really fun podcast with Q, who said that Q has hijacked a podcast and he came in and was really, really fun. Lots of interesting stuff with Q. I also recorded an interview today. I mean,

it's talk about a new era Mount Rushmore week here on Rob as a podcast that I just got off talking to Carolyn. And so that's going to be tomorrow. We're going to premiere my interview with Carolyn. Now on the Q podcast, did you cancel Christmas? I, I'm hoping that Q cancels Christmas. I really am. You know, I got a lot of obligations, uh, at Christmas time. And if Q cancels christmas that would be phenomenal for me yeah right love your gifts to give yes yes and really there's just like all that time off would not have to be doing christmas stuff don't have to decorate i mean right if q cancels christmas i would be the number one fan of that are you a grinch that? That's what they say. They say I'm a Grinch,

but I spend a lot of money on presents and doing all these things for everybody. Like I make a lot of people have a very good holiday, but they still call me a Grinch. You know what I would say, Rob? I feel like the real altruists are the people who hate doing it, but do it anyway. You know that's me you love giving me it's a selfish act to give but you hate it right and i do it anyway right true hero yes thank you thank you for finally noticing steven i appreciate that um but anyway so one of the things that came up with q last night that i think is interesting about this season especially compared to survivor 46 is that this game is seemingly like survivor 46 to me was like a season of like haves and have-nots in terms of okay these

are the couple of people that we're identifying that can win and then the people who are drawing dead and then ultimately kenzie was kind of the person who's like, well, she's not drawing dead, but she's not the big threat, and then ultimately she ends up being the person who wins. This season is actually much different in that there's really not like a have and have not situation where there's not like two or three people that we have identified, okay, these are the true power players that if they get to the end, they win. And then here's four people that are drawing dead.

Like overall, it's pretty even. And Genevieve kind of elevated herself as like Genevieve and Gabe had sort of been like slightly elevated above the rest of the fray, which made them number one targets i kind of thought that uh after last week genevieve taking out saul was a decent enough move because as we've seen in the new era the big through you take out the big threat uh-oh you have to go well genevieve's like i'll take out a medium threat right uh but she did something and it's like okay well genevieve has to go. So isn't that interesting, though, in terms of like this season of how open it is? And then also there's also no like, OK, they are absolutely they have no shot. Yeah, I truly I mean, even, you know, a lot of people are speculating that Andy could win this season.

And, you know, he if you had looked in episode one, it's like the guy you're saying, oh, that guy's got no shot. But now he's a real viable winner. I mean, who really has no shot? I think Sue is pretty unlikely based on what we've seen. I would say she's eight of eight. And then like Kyle is probably seven. But you know, the rest of them are, but

only because like, why? Because Kyle gets to the end. People are voting for him. I can see where Kyle wins. Yeah. Kyle is not drawing dead. Kyle like has no shot to get to the end because people realize that he would win. He quite literally has no shot in no shot to get to the end because people realize that he would win. And he quite literally has no shot in the dark to get to the end either. Hey. So, yeah.

Yeah, it is really interesting. It's a very fun season, I think, because everyone is making strategic ish. You know, other than possibly Sue, whose primary motivation seems to be that Kyle wrote her name down. possibly sue whose primary motivation seems to be that kyle wrote her name down um everyone else is making strategic decisions you know that are with the goal of advancing them in themselves further into the game now i think something that 46 had that this season doesn't have is that sort of like those kind of like breakout characters yeah and even 45 which i honestly think like is my favorite season of the new era i hope that's not a contentious take like i know i felt like i don't think so at all um i think that's the conventional wisdom oh shoot what happened to change oh god what have i become i guess i'm you know i'm a middle-aged man um just like

conventional all what i believe are my own opinions or it's conventional um the um no but like you know there you had like a few characters who you're like, wow, those people are playing really good games. Like D is playing a really good game. And I don't know if we have like that yet this season. I feel like that's what this season is missing. But so many people are playing good games. You know, there's so many people who are playing really strong, good games that are really fun to watch. And seeing all those permutations come together is really exciting.

I mean, I know that Jeff, you know, according to the On Fire podcast, like hates the blowout votes, but you know, the journey to get to these blowout votes where you're seeing just all of these people wheeling and dealing is so fascinating. Like to me, that's what Survivor is about. Well, this has been a season of pylons in terms of the votes. Even last night's nine person vote was a seven to two split. Do you make anything of that in terms of is that the players being like somewhat craven of like, OK, oh, this is where the votes are going. Let's all just vote with the House, as they would say on Big Brother. Yeah, I think that's it. I think they're self-interested. They're all smart.

And so nobody's going to like take a stand and like do a losing vote. You know, there seems to be a lot of information flow between them because the alliance lines are not that rigid. And so as a result of that, you have a lot of different, you know, everyone kind of like gets the final word, you know, last week, obviously it was really seemed to be at the last minute, but everyone gets the word. And so nobody wants to be left out. And they intelligently jump into the vote. You know, it's fun seeing someone like Andy put himself at the center of that kind of information flow where he is the major information broker, at least it seems. I mean, he's had really, really quite a recovery. So we saw in this episode a lot of Andy talking about, you know, the great confessional with him with the spider.

We also saw Rachel and Sam sort of in the middle of that do you think that and we'll get to who gets the fishy but were they the ultimate shot callers here in what was going to happen versus it being genevieve or gabe yeah i mean i i think like obviously was it caroline um it was Caroline. Was she the one who kind of like came around on it? Um, the, the, the, I think that this was a situation where who had, who had the vote where like, do you show them holding it? Was it, was it, who's a teeny, someone who had the vote that you should hold them, show

them holding up the parchment and saying like, you know, we just can't miss this chance to take you out right now. It was like right at the last... Let me review my notes. I'm sure someone in the chat will get it. I think that was ultimately what it was. You've got these four to-coot.

As much as you might want to get Genevieve out... Oh, someone's saying Rachel. Okay. As much as you might want to get Genevieve out. Yeah, you know, Rachel, we heard that. We didn't see what she voted. That's the point.

It's like you cannot let the four-two-two advance to eight. Like, even though we as the viewers know that there's dissension in those ranks, that like Sue hates Kyle, like there's, I think like it's easy to toy with the idea of like, let's get out Genevieve. But like, you really just can't let this group of four that's never voted against each other, except the one time Kyle voted for Sue, which was pre-merge, you know. But, you know, so but, you know, you can't let them get to eight together. So like I think the pressure to take out Gabe was always going to be a little bit overwhelming. And Josh Kettles made that great, this great point on, um, on blue sky that, you know, it actually kind of is makes Genevieve's move to take out salt a little bit better

because even if she's worried about being a target like this coming week, um, there's just so much pressure to take out a two coup. So last week's move of taking out salt was a better move because it may, it put the onus on, okay, the other five people have to vote together to take out uh one of the two coup yeah right exactly like there's just no like like you have a little bit of insulation going into this vote because you know and of course like there's a world where you know Sue finds out about it and place her idol for Gabe but like even so you know and even in that world it's well they don't even know Sue

has an idol uh right and Gabe didn't know Sue had an idol. Right. So let's go back to, cause you and I didn't get to talk about, uh, Genevieve's move from last week. And I think that I was at the time that it happened as a little bit like, okay, I love that she did this, uh, you know, sad for Saul, but, uh, I don't really understand the logic behind it, but we got in the episode that there was at least some, even though in this episode we talked about that Genevieve doesn't have any emotional feelings towards people, the episode gave us a little bit that like, hey, this is payback for my friend Rome. I hate Saul for that. I wanted to get him out since he screwed over Rome. But in this episode, Genevieve is very very much like I didn't have any sort of personal feelings with people. So for Genevieve now trying that to be results oriented, I felt

like that her move really just kind of just spiraled out of control. I thought that it was probably would have been better received by everybody had it been what she ultimately tried to do uh originally where okay i'm gonna vote with the tuku get andy on board and then uh go and that'll be that'll be it and it's not going to be seen so much as a genevieve move right but it really like i mean credit to gabe although it didn't work out for him. Like he really like was like, hey, this is your move, Genevieve. This is your choice. And I think you're probably right that she probably did not want to own it as much as she did. She probably wanted. I didn't totally. I feel like we never got Genevieve's answer about why this was so good for her. And hopefully at some point. Well, I mean, at some point she'll be interviewed. Well, I mean, at some point she'll be interviewed. I'd love to like find out why it was so important. You know, so Saul said in your exit interview with him that, you know, he had all these different connections. And so Genevieve wanted to like eliminate that because it may because it opened up her game more. But it still is not totally clear to me why this was good for her game, because Saul was someone who was, you know, according to him, trying to get her to the final three. He was someone who was like watching her back. And, you know, here, this episode, we see Genevieve largely isolated. Nobody is talking to her. You know, she says like, I'm just sitting here and nobody's coming over and talking to me.

And that, you know, that's what you miss from not having allies. Like you need the people who are in the conversations that you're not in telling you what you need to pay attention to. And so that's why I think it was like such a bad move for Genevieve. And I think it did almost blow up in her face. And I think if it weren't for this overwhelming pressure of these four two coups, like it,

it probably would have that being said, I do think there's a world where now she's a little bit off the hook. You know, I think I realistically, I think Genevieve is one of the next two vote outs, but I think it might not be the next vote out because sometimes like sometimes in Survivor, like when someone like just barely misses it, like people kind of give them a grace period,

you know, on the next vote, they're like, okay, you know, you got, you got through that one. We're going to move on. If Kyle is vulnerable, that could be good for Genevieve. Yeah. You know, I think it's interesting that this vote ended up being between Gabe and Genevieve because I kind of see them as similar players in the game. And I think that maybe Genevieve, because I kind of see them as similar players in the game. And I think that maybe Genevieve might have, you know, had a little bit of a self-awareness that maybe Gabe didn't see as much as they were potentially both seen as the leader of their group.

And for Genevieve, who wasn't as tight with Teenie and Saul, even though Teenie and Saul felt tight with Genevieve, I think that Genevieve is like, hey, if I don't take out one of my own numbers, they're going to take me down as the leader of the Lavo people. And that for Gabe, that is ultimately what happened to him, is that he was seen as the leader of the two coup four Caroline I thought it was uh back when they had that tribal council with Rachel I think she says to Tiana where Tiana's like hey if we go back with five of us like they're gonna they're gonna take us out and Caroline says yep they'll take out one of us but it won't be me or you. It'll be Gabe. Great, great callback.

And I think that for Genevieve, I think that she was able to see I'm in trouble here as being, if I am seen as the leader of this group. So if I take out Saul, all of a sudden I'm not as threatening, but she wasn't able to do it in a way to hide the fact that she was the person

who made a move. Yeah, she became much more threatening. If that was her goal, mission failed. And I wonder if Gabe, maybe the move should have been to target Kyle last time. And does Gabe stay if when Kyle doesn't win immunity, okay, let me, instead of trying to jam my four down the throats of everybody else when we have the numbers, should I get ahead of that and take out Kyle

so that that preemptive strike doesn't come at me? Yeah, I mean, that's exactly the major theme that I wanted to talk about today, which is, you know, I mean, and Kyle said the same thing, right? I need to take out Gabe. Like, he's going to come for me. And Gabe really laid that out. He said, you know, there's four two-coos. I've got to get out Kyle because, he said that, thing, right? I need to take out Gabe. He's going to come for me. And Gabe really laid that out.

He said, there's four two-coos. I've got to get out Kyle because he said that in the episode. I've got to get out Kyle because we are going to be so threatening as a block. It just puts huge heat on me. And we do talk so much on this podcast about how silly it is often for people to turn on their allies. about how silly it is often for people to turn on their allies. But when your ally being in the game is creating more heat on you, does that make it a good move?

And I'm so curious, is it a good move? According to this episode, the first person to bring up Gabe's name was Kyle. And I think even Gabe said, Kyle kind of broaching it, sort of opened it up. And probably Gabe would have been a target anyway or the target anyway. Gabe said, you know, Kyle kind of like broaching it sort of like opened it up, you know, and probably Gabe would have been a target anyway, or the target anyway. But, you know, Kyle saying it kind of like just sort of starts the ball rolling a bit. And is this a good move for Kyle? Like, does this remove heat from him? You know, Gabe made the point in your exit interview that no, it's not a good.

I was thinking like, do I give a fishy to Kyle today? Like he is the last person left without a fishy like wouldn't that be beautiful like what's such a like a commune official but like gabe made the point on your interview um you know it's bad for kyle because gabe was always going to be a target that to deflect off of kyle kyle was the one person who would have been most served by two sticking together. So I think that while for Genevieve, maybe it's smart. Hey, I'm going to try to like weaken my side for Kyle.

His only path to the end is to be part of like, like be the lowest person on a strong side and that he is not seen as a, like a, a big target. So for Gabe, it made sense to target Kyle last week when he was vulnerable. I did not think it was such a hot move for Kyle to be targeting Gabe. Yeah. Yeah.

I, I, I ultimately, I agree because, you know, he is such a big target with this immunity streak, you know, that he's on, um, you know, Dalton tweeted that if he wins the next one he will like have like met or i'm sorry maybe it was someone maybe it was um jeff uh true dark times like that you know this will be uh um match aussie streak of winning five out of out of six challenges um now of course there is a big asterisk by one of kyle's wins but but um yeah like multiple multiple why what's what's the other i mean one the one asterisk i'm thinking of is where like two people did better than two people did better than him but also like he ends up winning against half the field uh in in the first one uh also um well so that um there were no there was two because in the first one's

at mergatory where like at some point it's like you know like so like you know our cochran's wins against like you know the four the final four of that do those not count like he wanted him he wanted an individual you know he got the necklace like are we are we now trying to count like how many people are you know in in the community are in the field before we give you full credit i mean in terms of the individual immunity wins like he would not have even been eligible to compete for it. Had he been on the side of the, uh, a murder story that lost. So it was a, it was against a lesser field.

Um, also then, uh, one of them was a, like one man, one woman. So, um, you know, it's, it's a, it's a little bit, you know, I, I don't know necessarily like, look, great, great job by Kyle, but you know, to compare it to, I'm not sure what, like if we go back to see if there's anything for gazey with Ozzie's five wins or who else had five. I mean, I think Terry, Terry probably had five, you know, in, um, in Panama, I think. Yeah. Okay. I don't, again, Colby had five.

Wasn't he the first to five? Yeah. We'll look it up the, this week and see, uh, you know, how do we put in comparison Kyle? Yeah. But it's like, you know, some of these are like the final four, you beat three people, but Kyle beat five people. Like, do you really need to like, you know, how, how, how neat are we getting here? I guess so. I didn't think of it that way in terms of like, is it that impressive if you win the final four immunity? It's always been impressive to me. Yeah. But you know, or like

if it's like an eating competition, do you get like an asterisk because it wasn't, you know, a ball balancing competition? You know, like that's like a... Yeah. It sounds like you're saying no asterisks. Or there's like literally two people who perform it that's hard that's hard to stomach as yeah true way okay um yeah all right uh so where should we uh jump back into this uh

do you want to talk about any particular players? Well, let's talk about who, so is this a good move? And then like, who is this a good move for, Gabe? Was it a good move to take out Gabe? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'll go down the line. So yeah, definitely a good move for

for Genevieve. For Teenie. Good move for Genevieve. I think that Rachel is an interesting inflection point. Rachel seemingly wanted to take out Genevieve and ultimately kind of settles for Gabe in this episode after there wasn't enough of a critical mass to take out Genevieve. Did you think that Genevieve was a better target for Rachel?

Well, what's funny about it is like, at least like the story that I saw in the episode, and tell me if you agree or disagree with this, was that like, Andy kind of like puts the brain worm into Genevieve's ear that, you know, that she's like threatening to her. Because like Andy, we see Andy be saying something to Rachel, you know, like, oh, and Genevieve was throwing your name out too. She's wary of you. And then it seems like, and we have like Rachel, like, oh, and Genevieve was throwing your name out too. She's wary of you. And then it seems like, and we have like Rachel go like, huh.

And then in every subsequent conversation, Rachel's like, we got to get out Genevieve. That's funny. I didn't put the, go back to Andy. And yeah, he says that not only that, I think he goes, he sells past the clubs because he's like, oh, Genevieve was saying your name. So I wouldn't trust her if I were you.

But then she does it, you know, and maybe Rachel already didn't trust Genevieve were you but then she does it you know and maybe rachel already didn't trust genevieve but um and she should i mean in fairness though we did we have seen um genevieve pushing for rachel in the past so i don't know necessarily if it was uh a that's a lie i mean it's like you know good for andy to kind of like create all this dissension around him yeah um i feel like that for Rachel, I think that leaving, I know that Genevieve is gunning for Rachel to some degree,

but I feel like that Genevieve is still a bigger target. I guess that this is an interesting question of, is it better to have a bigger target out there that is potentially saying your name or like take out a lesser target, a lesser shield for you who's not targeting you. Oh, that's interesting. Better to take out a bigger target who is saying your name. Wait. No, that's like doubly bad like to take out you want a bigger

target and you want someone who oh i see what you're saying but the bigger target is jenna but jenna being saying like hey what about people saying your name i mean although maybe at this point everybody's saying everybody's name but you know the people who are pushing for you i think you gotta get out of the game like that is the goal i think at this stage in the game final eight final nine ten you know i think at this kind of like mid merge area you want the people out who are the because like who are the ones putting you forward yeah okay i think from caroline's perspective this is a very interesting uh move here uh caroline i think too soon for caroline ps okay let's talk about it because yeah because like she says like oh go ahead i'm sorry you go ahead um she says you know I'm not gonna win against Gabe like people perceive him as being

you know better than me or having played a better game than me I think she even says like he has played a better game than me I don't think she makes it about perception um Caroline also gracious but but um that's the kind of move where I feel like that's the one to wait. You know, like Gabe turning on Kyle kind of makes sense to me. But Caroline turning on Gabe, wait till the final six. You know, he's going to be a huge target then. Wait till the final five. He's going to be a huge target then.

But like by getting rid of this Chukwu block, like you are like minimizing your own leverage in this game. Yeah, I think that that's probably right. And you and I, I think I've been pretty complimentary about Caroline so far and certainly could see a path for her in terms of like her edit in the season to ultimately getting to the end. But I'm not sure necessarily how she gets to the end without other players making errors

in terms of what they're doing because now i'm not sure who she jumped to or with she doesn't seem to have any other uh particularly close allies other than sue so if it's just her and sue it's not her and sue and kyle right for sure i mean maybe she's thinking her and sue and teeny i mean we've seen you know her talking to teeny a bunch potentially right and i i feel like that would be at this stage and i you know we'll talk about this later but i think teeny's got you know a lot of game left in them but but um you know i i think at this stage from caroline's perspective like a sue teeny caroline perspective uh final three could be very i could be for her. What do you think the next move is from Caroline's perspective? Um,

yeah, I mean, I think everyone's got to push for Genevieve, right. And the challenge is going to, for Caroline, I think is going to be keeping Kyle, um,

around given that Sue hates Kyle. Do you want to keep Kyle around or is the next move of like, okay, Kyle doesn't win immunity. And this is like a great way to patch things up with Sue of like, all right, Sue, come on, let's get Kyle. Right. So, yeah, that's a good point that Sue is probably going to feel a bit betrayed by by Caroline. For sure. I was very surprised that Caroline would make this move without looping in Sue. Well, do we know Sue wasn't looped in?

She voted for Genevieve. Yeah, but she might she might just not have been willing to vote for Gabe. She does not strike me as having an incredible poker face. She's got something going on with her face. We've got to talk about that, too. Yeah. She has a very dirty face. Very dirty.

Yeah, very dirty. Yeah. Do you remember Nina's face in like survivor uh nina who was in the 24 i think nina acosta yeah false face first and kind of like the rest of the game was like the rest of the game's like one one more day but like i mean like sue as far as we have seen has not taken any like direct facial injuries but you know kind of reminds me of like nina's face in that uh yeah you know i don't know what's going on there yeah it looks very dirty yeah yeah um yeah i i spoke with carolyn about this

that carolyn had some theories uh that we could listen to in uh just to tease that podcast about that but yeah i don't know i don't know what's going on yeah um anyway so so no poker face for for sue just a dirty face is there a strategy to looking extra dirty and homely like in terms of like like if i really like make myself like you know if you go into like a job interview it's like oh well this guy's not a threat look at him he's all dirty well you know the mosquitoes bother you less if you're filthy you know oh it's like it's when it's when you get clean at least that was in token chains like the bugs when we got clean that's when the bugs really came came for us that said like nobody wants to cuddle in the shelter when you stink and maybe that's maybe that's the goal too but it's like

to keep people away in the shelter at night yeah well just because you have are dirty doesn't mean you stink i mean they're often related often related. Often related, but you know, if you're putting dirt on your face, it doesn't mean you stink. I guess so. But it just sort of suggests you're not bathing, which would mean your like overall human stink is like, you know, accumulating.

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Next move for Caroline, other than voting out Kyle potentially, do you see any other obvious move for her? I mean, I kind of imagine the next few votes, and this is purely speculative, so I'm not like staking my reputation on this, is going to be kind of like a group flow a little bit like i think like flow well

well but the last couple have seemed like they were there was like more back and forth right i feel like next one it's either going to be genevieve or kyle and probably the one after that will be kyle or yeah you know who's like to me those seem like so obviously the major targets now and then i think you've got like someone like you've got like at the final six you've got caroline sue sam rachel andy teeny you know maybe sam goes there yeah uh and then you know sam and caroline are probably six and five maybe in that order well can we talk about this a little bit i think that there is like some interesting voting blocks uh are going on here right now. Could we say the Gata three is the most important voting block in the game? I yeah, sort of surprisingly, since like these three have like no, you know, don't seem to be turned on them at the Sierra. But suddenly, you know, this three could be a group. Is Kyle with them?

Is Kyle with them? No, I don't think so. Are they even a three? Is Rachel doing her own thing? Is Andy doing his own thing? I think they're probably not. My guess is they will probably work together for the next few votes, but only because they're kind of like all trying to play the middle.

You know, like Sam sort of, I mean, Wounded Birds has been like a theme of this season right from when gabe kind of called caroline and sue that early on and he um you know he explains that further in your interview podcast with him but um he uh you know sam sort of like looking to create this alliance of the people on the bottom you know rachel feeling like she doesn't have a place and be kind of like trying to like work from that like does anyone have a place is everybody on the bottom in this game is there anyone not on the bottom of the game you have eight people that all think they're on the bottom yeah i kind of it kind of has that vibe like teeny said they're on the bottom um like truly

who does not think they're on the bottom survivor 47 bottoms up the bottom feeders um the gabe was like the only person who talked consistently about being on top now he's gone look at him now yeah and then teeny you said you want to talk about teeny uh teeny a free agent yeah goes where well that's where i think like you know i can see teeny working with rachel and andy and caroline and you know maybe sue is a part of that to like take out some of the people who they do perceive as threatening which are kyle and genevieve now yeah um the question is like how far does sam go right sam was like the best thing that happened baby was getting sierra voted out right like being

perceived as a wounded bird has been like the has opened and sam feels like he doesn't have any agency in the game but it's given him like actually like much more longevity than he probably otherwise would have had no we've seen it throughout the history of the show and not just in the new era and i think that there's been this misinterpretation of this like uh the greatest thing that can happen to you is your number one ally gets voted out often, but not if you do it. Yeah. Like I was going to say, like if you're the one who does it terrible for you because everyone's super suspicious of you and then you have someone on the jury who hates you. Yes.

But if it happens, if it happens, that's amazing. Yeah. I mean, and we've seen the history of survivor is littered with people, Malcolm and Angie for, for, for sure. Uh, but you know, uh, Jeremy and Natalie, yeah. Steven and Jeremy. Yeah. You know, uh, that, uh, people, uh, who end up, you know, with their number, even like last season, at uh tiffany and kenzie oh that kenzie thought about taking out tiffany uh ultimately uh decided not to do it then everybody else did it without her she was amazing for her it's great for her but she was mad because she

didn't get like the credit but like i truly believe that kenzie would have lost last season if tiffany was on the jury and like furious at the portrayal. Yeah. So you get your number one, your number one gets voted out and then you're less threatening. That's the real, this is the real strategy. Yes. Getting your number one voted out, but not getting the blame on not being part of it.

Now, could you accept people, Steven? Could you sort of like put the, go into their dreams. Could you manifest this of like, uh, you know, just like whisper a bed at night, but like, but not be part of it. Go into their dreams. Could you manifest this?

Just whisper it at night. But not be part of it. And then you can come back. How dare you? How dare you? How could you? You monsters. Why does Rob keep whispering about Matthew von Erdfelder at night?

I don't know. You tell me. i don't know anyway so uh teeny i have a feeling you want to talk about the teeny edit well is that okay yeah i think that's okay um i mean i i think that teeny you know we've talked about this a bunch i talked about this with owen last week just that you know for all that teeny has accomplished very little in this game they're getting an amazing edit of consistently being shown as strategic consistently being shown as empathetic consistently being shown as like a big you know a part of the decision making process often like a decisive part even if even if all well i guess not decisive because all was on the wrong side um not this time not well right not

this time but you know this episode we saw so much i feel like this was on the wrong side. Um, not this time, not well, right. Not this time, but you know, this episode we saw so much, I feel like this was like the teeny coming into their own. Yes. Yes. And so do you think that, uh, I do think that we are at the beginning of a teeny run. I'd be very surprised if teeny ends up going out, but do you, are you feeling like that this culminates in teeny winning survivor 47? That is my feeling. Now I'm not like all in on teeny because like we were saying, there's a lot of people who are viable. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Andy, I wouldn't be surprised. You know, I think Andy Rachel is, is viable. Um, I mean, I think Sam is someone who's I'm still not out on, but I do think from my perspective, teeny is the

likeliest candidate andy's kind of like my runner-up but i think andy is probably a runner-up i think andy my my final three prediction has been for a while that it's teeny andy and sue um i just think it's the beginning of andy and sue what i know yeah exactly yeah and i think rachel's going out in fire um because one shot was there fire in the glasses there was fire in the glasses okay yeah um but but i think that um that you know this is sort of was a big moment for teeny both in terms of like getting this sort of revenge arc that's based around getting revenge you know for saul which obviously had to be motivated by saul's vest you know like that's like supercharged anybody's

feelings about saul i mean my my feelings were supercharged and I'm already really a passionate um Saulite Saul acolyte um anyway um Solomonite anyway um and then we have obviously that that really powerful um expression of Teenie's ambivalence about their you know social status and how that relates to their identity, which was like a, like such a beautiful moment. Um, and you know, potentially, you know, is, you know, it's not resolved, right? Like there's, there's, there's more story there. Yeah. What'd you think about, um, Teenie holding up the burnt bag and say, okay, the burnt bag, the burnt bag is a symbol of my game. Yeah.

Did you follow that analogy? From the ashes. From the ashes. She's feeling like the bag is Phoenix. The Phoenix. Like the Teenix. Yeah. The Teenix.

Yes. Let's see it. Let's see the image. Steven, you posted to Twitter, fishy for Saul's vest. Oh, my gosh. What a, holy cow. And you, I mean, Dalton, you posted to Twitter, uh, fishy for Saul's vest. Oh my gosh. What a, Holy cow. And you, I mean, um, Dalton, you know, this was, you missed the question about, you know, what about Saul's vest Rob and you're in your limited interview.

Dalton did ask the question, like, what were you all making about Saul's vest and gave us a very funny answer to that. But like, yes. This again, when Saul was trying on like Rome's clothes that he left at Ponderosa. I mean, it's just incredible. And like, he looks like just so like, just like exuding, you know, all this, this masculine energy.

Um, it's just like, look at those muscles and this pecs, my gosh, like those arms. I mean, truly like I, I posted on, on blue sky last night. Like, how do you maintain so much muscle mass? And other people have pointed out people like, um, like, um james clement who obviously made a tremendous amount of muscle did people say to you uh steven it's only day 17 i know i know there's that aspect too it's like even so i mean it's only five days longer than rob was on survivor all-stars yeah yeah that's that's very funny um he's still like did you look that good coming out of Survivor All-Stars? I didn't look that good starting. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's not day 33. If you look at that image of me that I took of Saul, so, like, that's me taking a picture of my TV screen. Yeah. How are these people, you know, you got, like, the Mike Blooms of the world. Brian Scali. These, like, Chris G they got gifts and images like what am i doing wrong they got a whole content farm going on at their house i know something is going because like any like instant reaction they got like a a team set up yeah okay um somebody should do

investigation that was big yeah um so yeah i do think what's your what's like so what's your take on team so i think that teeny i think is about to go on and like have like a very impactful part of their story i don't think teeny is going to be the winner of the season and i i wonder if teeny ends up being sort of fallen angel or goes to the final tribal council but doesn't end up winning i'm just not sure that the jury awards teen everybody likes teeny but does do do these players um and again she that teeny has some fans on the jury in sierra in saul so far um gabe even gabe however gabe that i asked gabe about hey why did you call caroline a snake gabe said i didn't call caroline a snake i called teeny a snake but he was saying that's like a

little bit of like you know he was giving her credit like you got a little snake in you like you're playing more of a game than i realized yeah but um if teeny uh like and maybe teeny's big move could be hey i took I took out Genevieve. I slayed the dragon who that from, we were back and forth this whole game of like whether we were never on the same side of these votes. Maybe that could be like Teenie's signature moment in the game and sort of like,

okay, nobody thought I could do it. However, I do feel like that. I just don't know if there's enough there for teeny in terms of being a non-factor in terms of like how, uh, the game has gone. But I think your, your point is right there. It's like, you know, I think you, these days you just need to be like the most like person and have like one thing that they can point to to say, this is why we did it. So, you know, I mean, look at me, you know, there's no way the final nine, we would have said Marianne is going to win that season you know or i mean gabler he had like one move and like everybody disliked the other two more than they

like you know more than they disliked him very fair i think that is that's really teeny's path and i think if teeny is sitting there with andy and sue i think sue is not going to get respect and i think andy you know as much as he seems to be playing a very active game i think he's going to have a lot of dislike from the jury you know you've got obviously sierra mayor ponderosa who he betrayed you know you have saul you know he was a saul secret agents you know he blew the whole list um um that is so and and now gabe like this gabe you know gabe was talking to Andy and Andy betrayed him. So, you know, there's always that danger of being in the person in everybody's ear of being that person.

You know, I think what what sets teaming apart from a lot of these players is that they are really clear about their loyalties. They're really clear about their motivations. And I think that's something that when you do get to the end that the jury respects, like, hey, this was the team you were a part of. Here are the moves you made. Like you stuck to your your group and you outplayed the people who weren't in your group. And I think if you can get to the end with that kind of resume and being well-liked, I think that's that's a lot. And twice now in the previously on the show has done like a lot of like clarification on what Teenie's intentions were and Teenie's reaction to a vote. It happened both on the Asia vote where there was like the previously on was really focused on that.

Teenie didn't want to go along with the plan to vote out Asia and ended up writing down Saul's name because that Teenie was too emotionally attached to Asia to be able to do that. That came as a cleanup in the previously on. And then this week's previously on was really all about Teenie's perspective on the Saul blindside. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And now, but let's talk about Andy, too. OK, one more more teeny thing? Oh yeah, please, please. You know I love to hear it. One more. Okay, this is not a paid sponsorship from Wicked opening in theaters nationwide, but teeny came into this game and said that their wardrobe

was New Jersey inspired scarecrow. And you know what the scarecrow didn't like, Stephen? The heart? Fire. Brain? Hated fire. Scarecrow was very scared of fire. Did not want to go near the fire.

Oh, that's the other thing. I think Tina's going to win fire. I think Tina's going to beat Rachel in fire. That's like, that's what, that's what, um. What's the matter, Scarecrow? Afraid of a little fire yeah you know i think like maybe like sue wins the final four takes andy i don't know this is like this is really getting like i like totally maybe it's like a captain planet thing of like the elements and teeny is the fire sue is the earth yeah uh so it's definitely the earth um yeah um rachel's the water and uh i guess that makes

andy the the air wind yeah the air okay uh what were you gonna say andy is that what you're going to well a lot of people are also talking about andy because we do see a lot of how andy is playing the strategic game yes what are you we're also seeing people who are like there's something interesting about andy where it's like this combination of playing playing the strategic game. Yes. We're also seeing people who are like, there's something interesting about Andy where it's like this combination of playing this really strategic game. And if Genevieve had been the one to go out, I was going to give Andy full credit for that because I do think he kind of like

set the ball in motion there. But he set the ball in motion with his tongue. That's right. That's right. His forked snake-ish tongue is, you know. right that's right his forked snake-ish tongue is uh you know um but but but sometimes these moments do seem a little bit like oh like that it was like this moment with like andy and sue which i feel like is really emblematic of andy's game and andy's like sue you know you and i we're the ones like i want to move forward with you in this game and you're like oh wow what a passion

speech man he's like okay you know she's like, okay. You know, she's like, sure. All right, whatever. Um, and it's like, is Andy being super strategic or like where, like what's the,

or is it like sort of like a coach esque strategy? Like is Andy a coach character? I don't know if Andy is a coach character, but I think Andy is really great in the confessionals. And Andy is really great at like talking about the game, talking about his position, making metaphor and analogy about it. So he and he's a great storyteller. And so I think that the editors and the producers have really capitalized on that.

You know, how much, you know, is Andy actually doing, I think, is up for debate. actually doing, I think is up for debate. I think that maybe it might even be a situation where Andy could get to the final tribal council and lay out like this really great speech and like resume of what he did. And the people on the jury might be like, that didn't happen. Yeah. Right. And like, we saw some of those, I think that I actually think that's exactly what happened. You know, I think he's going to be like, I was in was in everybody's ear i was talking to everybody i was the one pulling together these plans from like behind the scenes and everyone's like no you were sort of like that random guy who we all kind of like tried to include i mean that's sort of what happened to me to be honest with you like like you know i was like tried to make that case and i was like were you was that you um and

so i do think that um you know i have a lot of empathy for that and i mean i really enjoy andy like as tv he's great tv like and there is just like a little bit like because he knows the game so well and he is so good at talking about it but there is that like a little bit of disconnect between like his own perception of himself and kind of like what is actually happening but then sometimes he's also he's like very aware of like of that you know and so he's also very emotionally vulnerable i mean like that's why i kind of see him as a coach's character and not like one-to-one with coach but like both have great hair both fans of the buffalo bills yeah but coach had that like vulnerability to him that i think andy has

you know like sort of like there was like both this kind of like grandiosity and this sensitivity yeah okay um gabe coming back i was gonna ask so i was gonna ask you that as this gabe said i'll i'll be back in the episode so first of all just let's just do the checklist on gabe uh gabe i would like i just don't think he's gonna cut it i in terms of what what a big character if you would ask me after the first episode i would have said like i think there's a very strong possibility he gets for me the tevin award of that his best episode of the season was episode one yeah oh that's that's you're you're good at these comparisons that's very good i thought the james jones thing for him was really good too yeah okay

but uh i probably uh think that is gabe is gabe uh coming back maybe one day yeah i just think like the new era, second chances. If that's a season, I think that that's a good spot for game. Yeah. Right. And that, especially if it's soon,

you know, I think that cause, but, but yeah, he kind of almost was under edited. Like you said, cause like they don't, didn't really know what to do with him,

you know? And you had all these kinds of like kookier characters. Andy. Yeah. I think Andy is a very viable return returning player. I think so too. Yeah, I really do. I don't think that Andy will win the season, but I do think that, um, if we were doing a survivor 47, uh, returnee draft, I think Andy might be the number one pick for 47. Now, what about Andy and John Lovett on a tribe together? I think that's a non-zero possibility for Survivor 50.

It would be great to see. Would they be able to mend fences? Of course. Oh, that's the question. Is it a rival season? No, just like, let's put, you know, it's like putting, you know, I mean, I guess they didn't put Spencer and Cass on a tribe together. It'd be like putting Francesca and Phillip back together.

Yeah, exactly. Put these two people. That's exactly, that be like Francesca and Phillip back together. Yeah, exactly. You put them like, put these two people, you're going to get a lot of, that's exactly, that's the perfect comparison. Yeah. Okay.

Final three loser and the, the purse, the first person out who he was responsible for. Yeah. That's a, yeah. Be fun. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, anybody else really popping for you for a potential returnee? I mean, you know, there's a lot. So just from the whole, everybody would be great. Anybody else really popping for you for a potential returnee? I mean, you know, there's a lot. Everybody would be great. It goes without saying. I mean, I just don't think, I mean, Sam, you can see it,

but like, I just think that's a tough spot for Sam. Yeah. Let me ask the question this way. Who would be the number two pick for the returnee draft? Someone said that Jeff said, I hadn't listened to it, that he's surprised by Saul, Saul's popularity like yes is like but also that they said that they thought that Saul they found Saul to be a little quiet on the island right and that's typically the kiss of death for a returning player but like will they bring back someone who's beloved by the fan base who was maybe like gave them less kind of heat that they wanted and confessionals.

Again, if it's like, you know, new era, second chances, I think it's more likely, but if they're going to come up with a list of like, you know, they're like 20 picks out of like 700 people.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think that my, if I had to have a, in the draft, I think the second pick for the returnee from survivor 47, I think is Genevieve. Yeah,

I think you're right. I think you're exactly right. Cause Genevieve was a very fun character. She's got kind of a little bit of like a goofy streak and, you know, she is great in the confessional. Yeah. I think that's a really good call. I think that's right. You know, who knows? Like, uh, you know, she is great in the confessional. Yeah, I think that's a really good call.

I think that's right. You know, who knows? Like, you know, Genevieve, if she gets to like seventh place, like it feels like, OK, that's like a nice spot for a returnee to come back from. I'm not out on Rachel. I think I mean, like Rachel's like not like she's not like a lock like a Carolyn is a lock. But like, although I guess Carolyn's not a lot, you know, but, but, um, you know, assuming she doesn't go on the traders, you know, maybe, but, um, you know, I feel like Rachel's competitive. Okay.

Steven, I am curious to know, uh, who gets the fishy? So that's a tough one. Okay. It's not an easy season for the fishy. No. And last week I gave it to Gabe and like, you know, death. Yeah. Truly. Apparently. No. Last week, I gave it to Gabe. And like, you know. A kiss of death. Yeah, truly, apparently.

I mean, I was considering Kyle. Because we haven't even talked about the shot in the dark negotiation. Oh, yeah. Where obviously that was Caroline's initial idea. But then Kyle's the one who kind of comes up with this offer. Like, what do you think about getting rid of the shot in the dark? On the other hand, Kyle is probably the person who needs the shot in the dark the most. So not necessarily.

And then, you know, the idea that he kind of sold out Gabe would be, you know, I thought was like maybe good for him. But I've kind of come around to the other side that it's not a great decision for Kyle here. And I just really wanted to give it to the last person who hasn't gotten it. But I don't think that's going to work out. I don't think that's right. So I'm thinking Andy. What do you think? Fishy for Andy.

I don't even think I was thinking Andy for this vote. Just because we saw so much of him like being in everybody's ear and kind of like spreading paranoia. Yeah. Give me some other options here. All right, so I would say, I would put Caroline up for suggestion,

although we kind of talked through that maybe it wasn't such a great move for Caroline. me some other options all right so i would say i i would put caroline up for suggestion although we kind of talked through that maybe it wasn't such a great move for caroline um how about genevieve dodges the vote yeah how about rachel yeah why i'm i'm open to rachel so even though last night i was a little bit more like uh i think it would probably be better for Rachel to get out Genevieve. She does ultimately, we see her sort of carving out her own path, sort of recovering. She was in kind of a dicey spot at the beginning of the merge. A lot of people were talking about Rachel, especially when she escaped from the safety without power. Rachel was on a lot of people's minds. But I think also Sierra going out of the game ends up being

a net positive for Rachel. She's got the situation going on with Andy. She kind of called Sam out for what he did last week. Sam says, hey, I really want to work with you we get from her uh that she is potentially uh going to work with sam but also gonna like uh be looking out for number one i think she has a lot of options there uh she ends up getting gabe out of the game and so she's kind of like the biggest swing person in the game she really really could go anywhere. What about Sam? Thundercats 78 has that's interesting. Also, Sam made moves from the bottom, got what he wanted in the gay boot, sucked it up with a shot in the dark rice situation.

He kind of mended fences with Rachel, although like sort of, you know, after after last week. I would not be opposed to Sam getting the shot. Has has he gotten a shot, a fishy yet this season? Yeah. Kyle's the only person who has not gotten a fishy yet, but I think I might be leaning. Sue got a fishy? What?

Sue's gotten a fishy? I guess. I don't even remember. Probably. There was one boot where she seemed to be the driver. Maybe I got, you know, I think so. Maybe. Yeah.

People are saying, yeah. I think it might be Sam, actually. Yeah. I think like Sam might be. Yeah. I think Sam. All right. Fishy for Sam.

Well-deserved. Yeah. Potentially he has Kyle coming over to work with them. He's in a good spot. Really bounce back from the bottom. Somehow that as we mentioned, like Sierraierra going out nobody's really talking about sam is like the biggest threat anymore yeah well that's exactly it i mean sam is like what had all this heat on him his name's not even coming up anymore yeah and now nobody's talking about it

but he's also like not really in a position to be dangerous to people he's not winning immunities he's not you know pulling off moves like what is what is his you know resume and he got to try kiwi also from joy kiwi he made you know an informed decision pineapple over kiwi that's a that's a great choice pineapple over kiwi who wouldn't okay all right let's take some questions from the listeners and see what they want to know about okay all right um how about uh mel wants to know with all the burning of the amulets idols idols and shot in the dark, do you think that Jeff will let them go back to regular Survivor with no twists next season? Were you crazy? No, no. He's permanently banning this whole cast. Were you surprised, though, that Jeff took the deal for shots in the dark in exchange for the rice?

What I was most surprised, until that point, I was like, why are you calling this a rice negotiation? There's no negotiation happening. You know, he's like, why are you calling this a rice negotiation? There's no negotiation happening. You know, he's like, this is the rice negotiation. And people are like, okay, what about three? What about this? What about that? No, no, no. It's a tough negotiation.

Yeah, but then, if you call it a negotiation, there has to be some kind of, you know, and that was kind of cool. I thought that was kind of cool. We didn't talk about it yet. Is this a good decision? Who is this a good decision for? So I kind of thought it was a good decision for the people that are at the top, specifically Gabe.

I thought he maybe overplayed his hand in terms of like trying to push for it because it's really, the people that are at the bottom are the people that need the shot in the dark the most. Yeah. But in terms, I think Rachel big winner also maybe a reason why she could have gotten the fishy, uh, because, uh, she doesn't have to pay anything. I kind of like

that. There's some poetic, uh, justice or irony. Take your pick that Rachel once upon a time tries to steal rice at a challenge. Jeff says, Rachel, get out of here to stop stealing the rice. Instead, she was the only person that plays her shot in the dark. And then Jeff trades the rice for all the shots in the dark. Rachel pays nothing for rice and ultimately comes away with the rice that she coveted. Should Rachel get the fishy? The one the one to lose the least? I don't know.

You nailed it. We made that decision. Yeah. But I think it's kind of like net nothing for everybody like I know Genevieve was like oh I wish I had the shot in the dark but it's already the final nine I think you can only play

the shot in the dark until the final seven so there's only two more votes after this that the shot in the dark could even be played like the shot in the dark I know that Caleb got it to hit at the final uh 12 or 13 but it feels like more of a pre-merge thing yeah that's a good point um i don't think it has a lot of utility at this point in the game well i thought john's point of you know i felt

like there's better than a one in six change on love. It's point, uh, you know, there's better than a one in six chance that socially I can pull this, you know, versus having it be the one, the actual one in six chance. I thought that was like a good way of thinking about it. And it seems like most people do not actually view the odds of the shot in the dark as being, you know, outweighing the vote. And, you know, Gabe made that point again, Gabe, very like smart talker about this game, you know, to, to Sam that, you Sam that your vote is more important to you right now than the shot in the dark is.

Yeah. This is a good question from Josh Kettles, the aforementioned Josh Kettles, that he asked about the tribute at the end of the episode about Barb. And of course, Barb is Jeff Probst's mom who very sadly passed away. Josh wants to know, did either of you ever meet or hear Jeff talk about his mother, Barb?

That was such a touching tribute. Yeah, I never met. I never heard Jeff talk about her, but I certainly met her. You know, she and Jeff's father would come to the finales and they would sort of mingle with like, I mean, you probably had more extensive. So you two were on an even numbered season. Was your finale Mother's Day? Oh, I don't remember that. I mean, probably was around there.

Yeah. So typically the Survivor spring finale was in May. And then it typically ended up being Mother's Day weekend. And I don't remember from Survivor All-Stars. I do remember meeting Jeff's mom after Survivor the Amazon. And she was really, really nice. She was very proud of her son. She would watch the show every week, as you would expect if your son was the host of Survivor. She was really into it. And, you know, I thought that was a very nice tribute at the end of the episode.

Yeah, like to tell the next adventure, I thought. And they were just such lovely. I mean, I remember, you know, Jeff was, you know, when I was on was so intimidating and aloof, not aloof, but like, you know, he wasn't like, you know, he wasn't hanging out with us. So, but, you know, and they were like, they were there. And like, you know, he wasn't hanging out with us. Um, so, but, but, you know, and they were like, they were there and like, you know, to us, they were like celebrities cause they were

just parents, but they were just like, so like, like the nicest people, like really happy and eager to, to like talk to all of the contestants, like so like kind and down to earth seeming. And you know, I had only a very few limited interactions with them, but they were all absolutely lovely and just like so positive and wonderful okay let's uh take another question and brooklyn zed asks on blue sky do you think that andy's day three meltdown is the social equivalent of tyson injuring his arm in blood versus water yeah that's a good question i uh don't think it's the same because i think that uh people did not look at andy as like oh my god like what a gifted social player i'm trying to think of like you know um you know who the girl like i don't know

if like parvati is back in like a returning player season and has like this like Epic meltdown where it's like, Ooh, like socially, that was a, that was a kind of a faux pas from Parv, uh, where that that's kind of like what it was for Tyson. We're at Boston Rob getting some cry babyitis. Cry babyitis. Certainly like that, you know, ended up, uh, being a good thing for him ultimately. But for Tyson, I think that there was some concern about like, oh, Tyson could go on a run and end up winning these challenges. And then it was like his superpower was taken from him. I don't think that Andy was looked at as like this, you know, superpower social player. Yeah. And I think conversely, it's sort of like, you know, in terms of like we talked, you talked a little bit last season about like kind of like moving between tiers.

And I think it pushed him down a tier into that sort of like untouchable category where, you know, you even the things he does do, he might not get credit for because he's already like preconceived to be, you know, like. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that there is something there of like that. Did it make it sort of like disqualifying for him of like, OK, we're not worried about Andy because he has had this moment. He's not a serious person in terms of being a threat. Right. We're not worried about him. And then he has 23 days to potentially do damage control and fix it. Right. So but he would really have to you know prove i think he would have to have his fingerprints all over like a few moves and i think at this point i mean he does kind of have that sierra blind side which you know i mean there's i i think of gabler all the time with andy because like you know gabler pre preseason was like in the palm fronds

like much crazier than what he did. I will never get over that. But, and, and then Andy's responsible for that, that, that first juror vote, you know, just, I guess Ellie was a pre-merger, a pre-jury, but so just, you know, but in the same, same sort of timing as Gabler's and now Andy's hiding in plain sight. So I do think there's some Gabler upside for, for Andy. I'm not out on that. It'll be really interesting to see if Andy gets to the final tribal council and what the response to Andy in a final tribal council would end up

being. If we end up looking back at the season and if Andy is the zero vote finalist at the end of the season, that we look back and say, yeah, that the meltdown on the mat was ultimately disqualifying and Andy was drawing dead from day three and we had no idea, or if he's able to pivot off of that story and it does have that Gabler upside that you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think it's the former, to be honest with you, but I would not be shocked by the latter. Okay. All right. How about, uh, would it have been a good move for Genevieve and the two crews to target

Rachel? We know that Caroline and Jen are onto Rachel as a threat and Kyle, uh, How about, would it have been a good move for Genevieve and the Tukus to target Rachel? We know that Caroline and Jen are on to Rachel as a threat and Kyle would keep Gabe, Genevieve as a shield. This is a good point. And this is something you asked Gabe too in your interview. You know, why not find a consensus target? You know, if the Tukus can work with Genevieve, like, wouldn't that be something?

Right. And for Genevieve, why not? I mean, you know, to be potentially to the fifth wheel of Tuku and potentially go go with them. I mean, if you're the Tuku for if you're Gabe, anything just to get through this vote. So, you know, why not go along with them? Now, what they did not know is that Caroline and Kyle had already jumped ship. So maybe that would not have been possible. But I think if you're Genevieve, I think maybe that would not have been possible. But I think if you're Genevieve, I think that that would be a good,

worthwhile move to explore. Yeah, yeah. I think that would have been great. I mean, they're great for all those parties, you know, like, and so much of what happens in New Era Survivor is determined just by how little time they have. And not for anything.

They just don't have the time. For Genevieve, if she survives this vote, voting with the Tuku four, like it is not that she's going to be the next target. And the people, the other three people that are left in the game are going to still be trying to figure out, well,

how do we break off the two coup? Yeah. I mean, I thought it was interesting. Gabe was saying we were all kind of like sitting around and nobody was talking to each other. Like I do think like, again,

like just like the logistics of being in this place determined so much of it. It's like, you're all in the shelter. You don't have much time left. The sun is setting. You know, that determines what happens on the show. They just did not, you know,

if you had like a week and, you know, limitless time and space, and if it was like a digital game, like maybe different things would happen. But, you know, the constraints, it's like tennis. The constraints determine, you know, what the strategy. I also wonder, this was a two-day cycle. I'm always fascinated with like, this was one day, this was i also wonder this was a two day cycle i'm always fascinated with like this was one day this was two day this was a two day

cycle i think that coming on the heels of a bunch of one day cycles was this almost like too much time now for the players that they had like like all right well it's like we can go to tribal now i think we're ready it's either gonna be gabe or genevieve um yeah the uh exactly it's either going to be Gabe or Genevieve. Um, yeah, the, uh, exactly. It's like they've, they, uh, right. They're too efficient. Yeah.

Okay. Mel Hooker wants to know, does, how much does Kyle remind Steven to JT? He's giving major likable winter vibes, but has no fish back to help him. I don't know. I mean like JT was super sharky.

You know, I do appreciate like, you know, everybody who's said over the years that I was the real strategic brain there. It's not even, it's not true. Like JT was extremely strategic, you know everybody who's said over the years that i was the real strategic brain there it's not even it's not true like jt was extremely strategic you know great at like working people i think you know kyle is a lot more sort of like naivete to him um you know and a little bit more innocence where like you don't really get the sense that he's like working all the angles in the way that jt truly was okay let me see if there's anything else uh george wants to know uh how did the season compare to alliances versus voting blocks uh what this group is doing do you have a distinction yeah

well it honestly doesn't even feel like voting blocks you know it's just like this group for this you know i mean the closest we had to an alliance is that tuku four and uh you know um they all hated each other at least sue hated kyle um you know it wasn all hated Joe, or at least Sue hated Kyle. You know, it wasn't even clear that they were necessarily like voting in sync so much. It's just that there was always like a different, you know, they were split for a bunch of times. There was like a bigger target out there. And so it does like feel like the alliance,

the alliance thing is not happening so much. We've seen the best, the best and most successful people are the ones who work together in tight alliances. Like just do it, Just stick with an alliance. It's the best strategy for Survivor. It's been proven out over 47 seasons. But not too big of an alliance, though.

Yeah. Three people. Three people alliance. Just stick with the plan. Okay. I'll give you one last question. Chris Lambert says, is it actually a disadvantage to win this reward? Only three people versus six back at camp in this instance.

I was listening to Tyson's podcast this afternoon. He was talking to Kelly Nelbandian, and he was talking about how that maybe he might want to throw this challenge to be part of the six that goes back to camp. It's so hard to like, I mean, it's so hard to throw a reward challenge. You know, you're just so hungry. And like, that's where like, I don't know, a lot more strategy happens on the rewards than it does on the going back at camp because you just have this whole like winter vibe. You get food, it powers you for the immunity.

I don't know. I don't think I could ever. I mean, in fairness, the plan that got executed at tribal council was the plan that was hatched on the reward challenge. That's right. I mean, like Tyson probably would have a whole stash of coconuts to go back to.

I would not have that stash. So I would probably, I out of like greed and hunger would just not be able to, I didn't have any problem throwing immunity challenges. The reward challenges, I don't know. Did you throw a lot of immunity challenges? I mean, I wanted to throw more than I could. You know, I don't know how specific you want to get here.

In token cheats or second chances? Second chances. The eating challenge, I wanted to throw, but it's basically, it's really hard to throw an eating challenge. But that was in the pre-merge, right? Yeah, but the dynamics- Oh, because you wanted to go down with Joe.

Joe, and it would have been so good because Kelly had her idol. Everyone would have thought it was Kelly. She probably would have played her idol. She was definitely not playing it for Joe. And we would have got Joe and flush flush kelly's idol oh my god oh and that's one of those like what might have been moments for me in survivor because like but like it was an eating how can you throw an eating challenge it's like impossible i mean i could have

eaten very slowly but there were a few examples where like the other group was just like like totally screwing it so i was like looking to see if there was and if it had been down to me the final point was mine i would have thrown it okay yeah it would have been like uh survivor china when uh james is trying to uh throw the challenge to lunch lady denise and like fail and can't and he's finally like okay i'll eat the balloon couldn't couldn't be done all right steven uh what's coming up for you? I don't know. Nothing. Thanksgiving holiday? I got to say, Rob, I'm a little, it's a little, you know,

I'm really enjoying Blue Sky and it's really fun to like live, like skeet over there. It's like a nice kind of like, I have a clubby atmosphere. I'm kind of bummed that, you know, the group is fractured. There's still people on Twitter. There's people like, you know, people on Blue Sky. What do you want to have happen? You want everybody to come back into Twitter?

I want everyone to be together wherever it is, you know, you know, I've been looking at it and this is how I've been, uh, describing it because, um, I think that Twitter is,

uh, still the ocean. I think that that is sort of like where blue skies, the captain. No, not the captain. Uh, but I think that blue, that, uh, blue sky is a little bit not the captain uh but i think that blue that uh blue

sky is a little bit more like the group chat like i think that there's probably going to be like more like a conversation especially around uh this thing of ours and what we do like i think there's going to be like more like uh feedback about the shows and and like people like uh telling us what they think and us being able to comment back i I think that's going to happen more on Blue Sky. But I do feel like that that Twitter is still the place where you're going for, you know, hey, this thing is happening. This is where you're getting some information from. And then it's a little bit more of the OK, let's go into the private meeting room a little bit more, the public private meeting room.

But I liked having those conversations like in sync, you know, with like, you know, the people that I was corresponding with all the time, you know, Dr. Amanda and Josh Kettles and like, you know, that, you know, Heather. And then, and then also like the total randoms whose names are just a string of consonants, you know, like, and then getting, it was all happening in the same place. And I liked that. I mean, also like not for nothing, but on Twitter, I had like 65,000 followers on blue sky. Like I barely have more followers than David Bloomberg. You know how terrible that feels. It's humiliating. It's humiliating. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you can find Stephen Fishback on blue sky at Stephenven fishback dot bksy dot app yeah that's right i'm there tongue yeah yeah yeah uh and you the year rob's there too there was like some question about it

whether it was the real rob or not yeah you know what i had um and actually one of the best features about blue sky and josh kettles, he's like Beetlejuice. Now he has to show up that he has been running a starter pack for different things. Chappelle had created one also, but it's actually like the one cool feature that they have over Twitter of that. You could just go to Blue Sky and then here's like a list of things and you could just follow them all where Twitter does not have that same kind of functionality. So but what I what I was worried about was that I joined and then I had not followed people. I didn't want people to be like, oh, he followed this person, but didn't follow me. Yeah, well, that's the other thing, like because like you don't really it's so hard to like see who's following you. It's got a list and they've got all the like that blue sky that whatever like i i'm sure there are people who are who i'm not

following who i used to follow and so you know holler at me so yeah give us some grace it's probably an oversight if we're not following somebody who's very important yeah okay all right so uh that's gonna do it for the know-it-alls be on the lookout for my interview with carolyn coming up tomorrow uh very fun one-on-one with carolyn uh very much looking forward to that then also club condo is coming back on monday i believe brandon donlin is scheduled to join uh chappelle and i for a fun club condo and if you missed it check out my interview with q and everything else here in our survivor podcast feed at we knownowSurvivor.com. Thank you so much.

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