RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 13

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

This week, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 47 episode 13.

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Survivor know it all. Steven, how are you? Very confused to be talking to you today, Rob. Normally we podcast after the episode, but the episode is only half over. What are we doing? What are we doing? It's halftime. Steven, now, will you give out one or two fishies for the uh part one two

boot episode do you have you like yeah i think it'll have to it'll probably be one and it'll probably be rachel right it's like yeah okay i haven't actually thought about it at all but we'll talk we'll get into it we will get into it here i think this should be a pretty good one here today. A lot to unpack from the two boots, two big players went home. Andy and Genevieve exit interviews are up with both of them. They both were great on the exit interview earlier today. And we will take your questions as well on this show live. And then I got another podcast in addition to our patron Q&A coming up on Friday. I'm going to check in with Drew Basile this weekend. So another very smart bespectacled survivor to talk

about. I think he was a sixth placer, right? So yeah, perfect time to talk to him, I guess, or fifth placer I could talk to also, but we're going to talk to Drew Basile. Yeah, he's great. I love him. I love his takes takes he's really insightful about yes he has hot takes yeah he does have hot takes yeah so we'll we'll talk to him but steven

all right let's get into everything after we had our uh two boots last night uh how are you feeling going into part two of the finale? I'm a little, you know, here's the thing. You go into the finale and you're like, I got my ideas about who's going to win. I don't know what's going to happen, but I got my ideas. And the challenging thing was, I felt like this is really, like, leaving you know, finale part one,

it really felt like a Rachel coronation, right? Like, we are coming out of this episode thinking, wow, Rachel is going to win this thing. So she just wins this thing next week. It's like, okay, like, great. She won this. It's a little bit of like, you know, you know, but other people have said, have we ever gone into the finale and, you know, not known, you know, as like a general fandom, not individuals

because we're all flawed as people, but as a fandom, we're infallible. Other than the season 43, you know, typically the fandom has a good sense of who's going to win by the finale. So maybe this is normal. Just it's going to be Rachel and let's enjoy it. It does feel like that

we are headed cruising even towards a Rachel win next week. I do think that the one dark horse possibility, which you have kept alive all through the season, is that I think that the possibility of Sam winning the season, and we can talk about some of the, like how that could happen,

but also, uh, like from, in terms of like, uh, his visibility throughout the season that I do think that there's also a non-zero chance. I think you had said last night on social media that you felt like, uh, 80% Rachel, but there's still, you know, that 20% and then some like fractions in the couch for Sue and Teeny left over. It's so sad. I was so bullish on Teeny for so long. I feel like I was really, you know, driving the Teeny train for so long. And now I'm right off the cliff. Off the cliff. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm just like looking for a new train. Okay. Well, let's talk about what did happen last night.

And let's talk about these two different votes. And for Andy, I saw a lot of like or a few people like questioning about Project Italy. Like, oh, was like what? It turns out Project Italy wasn't such a great move because Andy, I think that's a poppycock to look back at. I mean, what would you call that? If you look at the results of something that happened and then judge the move based on what happened. Oh, yeah. Results oriented thinking.

But I think that Andy, like, I think it was clear as day what happened to Andy and had nothing to do with Project Italy. Yeah. I mean, it was like tangentially related, but coming into the episode. Operation Italy. I'm sorry. I keep saying, I don't know why I keep saying Project Italy. Even Andy had to correct me today. Sorry, everybody. Listen, if they just called it Italian. It's less syllables.

P.S. I spoke to Dr. Christian Hubicki about a big question that we all had about operation which was was there a rights issue and he said that on his season they were told not to call themselves the avengers so there you go yeah but people have pointed to that um i guess that the italian job is on paramount plus but sometimes these movies like shift the rights from one thing it's like it's like yeah it's good now but two years from now is the italian job gonna be on paramount plus right and like what kind of rights do they have maybe it's not international rights you know do

they have the rights in canada or survivor eras so they have we have the rights to the original italian job but not the remake yeah all right so getting into the question of like so andy comes into this episode with like a very good strategy for deflecting the, you know, the question of like, did he, you know, who was responsible? And he says like, oh, yeah, I just was like a last minute thing. And, you know, we all kind of were on different pages. And he sells to his former allies that this was a sort of haphazard thing that came together. He decided at the last minute to flip, you know, Sam decided at the last minute to do something else and oh my gosh look at this by this like crazy series of circumstances um but it's like it's like the mastermind you know who who like goes mad that

nobody is giving him the credit he deserves and so like over the course of this episode the pressure to finally reveal himself i feel like that happened in talented mr ripley maybe not yeah maybe tom ripley gets you know he gets away with it. Okay. Well, we'll have to do a rewatch of that. And don't call your alliance the talented Mr. Ripley's either, because you won't be able to get away with it. Yeah.

And so I had the chance to talk to Andy this morning. And he talked a little bit about that. And this idea of, you know, he was battling this perception of, you know, is he getting the credit? And he talked about it with Rachel. And Rachel said, you know, really, getting the credit? And he talked about it with Rachel and Rachel said, you know, really people are not really, it's not bad, but it's sort of like, you know, a nothing burger in terms of how people are looking at you. And he talked about how that

he felt like that Rachel was going to be a very influential juror. And he thought that he had the chance to sort of like incept her with his game and send her to the jury. Have you seen or can recall like a history of survivor players ever doing that before of sort of like sending somebody to the jury? Not necessarily like their friend, but OK, I'm taking somebody out and I want to send them like give them my game plan to relate to the jury. Now, first of all, I want to say this is what's annoying about doing this podcast on Thursdays is that I on blue sky was blue sky being this, you know, that I think Andy was doing this

and it's a really smart idea to like get someone because if you show up at the jury and you say, hey, I did all these great things. No one is going to believe you, but sending someone there who can make your case for you or who at least believes in your case, all the difference. Anyway, had I said it yesterday, you know, then I would get credit for like, you know, getting, but now I'm just like repeating what Andrew said. Anyway, I think it's a really, really smart idea, which is this idea, because like, we've seen it time and time again,

someone shows up to the jury on day 26 or day 39, says, here is how I'm responsible for all these great moves. We saw it with Cassidy. We certainly saw with Charlie last season, right? Nobody thought of Charlie as a mastermind. And then you're in this jury moment. The jurors are not going to like fundamentally change their perceptions of you over the course of this two hours, because especially because obviously when you're there in front of the jury, you're going to be making up all these grandiose tales. So you kind of have to work with the, you know, the jurors as they perceive you.

And we've seen it in the past where someone said, oh, I did this. And then a juror will like, yes, like I can confirm he did this. You know, I give you like credit for that move. Yeah. But so I think this is a really good move for Andy. Now, has anybody done this in the past?

I mean, I don't know if we've ever seen it. Like, I I'm of course, like I, that's why I think he's kind of smart. I don't think, I mean, can you think of someone? No, I can't think of somebody that did this like this. Uh, Ryan, uh, brings this up. I've mentioned this last night also, uh, that it's very big brother coded to be doing a jury management by telling someone as, as they go home. A lot of times I know you're not a big brother person, but on Big Brother, it's sort of like a foregone conclusion. Like, Stephen, it's not going to work out. But let me tell you about my game a little bit. Some of the things that you don't know. There's nothing you can do. You're going home. It's going to be an eight to two vote. You can't like the Big Brother vote doesn't flip at the last second. And people have

done that before on Big Brother. And Andy, I think, did a lot of things that were from, you know, taken from Big Brother. And he talked about a couple of them in the exit press. And so it's interesting. But I when I spoke with Tiffany and Hunter a couple of weeks ago on one of the postgame shows, they were talking about how they did not really know some of the things that Charlie had done. And really, they were learning things at the final tribal council. And that maybe had Charlie planted those seeds at earlier tribal councils. Is that the place where you could do this? Where sort of like saying things out in the open? I think you're right that that's an interesting idea where you see it at at the at the tribal council where the jurors certainly are paying attention and listening to the things that the players say. And it would be a really interesting place to do that. But you're still like operating against their fundamental perceptions of you. And that's why I think the idea of kind of trying to get someone who you have had this good relationship with, you're not really totally responsible for voting out. And you think it's pretty reliable that they are going to get voted out.

That obviously is the fundamental problem with Andy's plan here is that Rachel is not voted out and in fact uses this information to blindside him. But a lot of people I saw were like, well, you have to imagine that everyone has an idol and you have to suspect that, you know, how could he be so dumb as to not think that at least consider the possibility that you'd have an idol? I think in Survivor, you often have to make plays where you are weighing the risk of someone having some idol that they have, you know, made no suggestion that they have against the risk or reward of voting for them or doing something else. And in my mind, obviously it didn't work out, but this was not a terrible risk. Like they had no suggestion that Rachel had an idol.

She, she held it for a really long time. They didn't have any kind of idea of where she might've got it. And so for Andy to like potentially position himself as, you know, for a win at the, at the risk of, you know, this magical scenario where Rachel has an idol, which happened to be true, you know, I, I still think is, is good. You know, something else that Andy got unlucky about is that Genevieve's fake idol ends up, you know, and Genevieve ends up, you know, having immunity here. But, you know, the threat of Genevieve's fake idol, I think also like brings Teenie on board and they're trying to, you know,

they're snowing Teenie. Rachel goes over and this came up on the on fire podcast. Charlie had a good point about this, that, you know, Rachel is hearing teeny being snowed as a, and so Rachel assumes this to be true information because, uh, T that Rachel's really trusting this information. She's overhearing, even though it's lies that is being told to teeny and do you feel like that genevieve having the fake idol uh ends up burning andy in this scenario well i mean in this case genevieve had immunity but you mean like there there was some suggestion that she would have played it for sam well i think that that's sort of like what forces uh teenies uh to to join to join up with right with uh with that group right yeah um it's it's interesting i mean it's or is it just because that rachel has the vote block yeah um i i think

ultimately it makes the most sense for teeny to vote well i'm confused with the question what's the question i'm just wondering in terms of uh was there any sort of like uh you know could could uh andy exposing uh genevieve's fake idol uh have changed anything here in terms of like you know teeny is the mystery vote that just like flips sides uh automatically and goes away from uh rachel and Sue, which then causes them to, you know, that Rachel is, you know, in this bad spot where she goes to Andy and then Andy ends up telling her, you know,

about his whole game. And then that flips everything around for Rachel. Yeah. I mean, I think at the final six, it makes sense for Tina to vote for Rachel, right? The two people who, right, are already high-fiving each other over one of them deserving the win are Rachelachel and genevieve genevieve is immune like of course you're gonna vote for rachel in this spot um and you know i think if you sort

of hope that even if she has an idol that you're not the one that that's that's voted for i think it's reasonable from teeny's perspective um i mean let's talk about the thing with with andy though in terms of you know deputizing a juror to be you know your voice on the jury So the only thing we didn't talk about was, is this annoying, you know, to Rachel? Is this kind of condescending? You know, because like there was a moment when Andy said, you're going to be on the jury in this really definitive way. And it brought me back to being in token jeans when, you know, I was going along with a plan and Debbie Beebe said to me, you know, you're going to be on the jury.

And I was like, F that you're going to be on the effing jury, you know, and it really like radicalized, you know, to like do more. And of course, that was at the final whatever night. And this is the final six. But do you think that there is a way to approach this conversation where it works? Or is this always going to kind of backfire to some extent because the person is going to be annoyed at your you know at the audacity it's a great question i mean they're gonna be in the i think we sort of have to get you know rachel's take on whether or not like uh how that changed her opinion like uh was any part of this that she's like oh you you think i'm going to the jury like uh okay well joke's on you bup uhup, that this caused her to ultimately do what she did.

Also, she has the idol. So if she didn't have the idol, I wonder how this conversation would have been received. Right, because then if she did know she was going and then she's being like, you know, Andy's like selling his story, that might be kind of annoying. Like her game is ending.

There's nothing she can do about it. And he's like jockeying for position. that might be if anything this should have been a tell for andy that like oh rachel's not going home because she said like oh go on tell me more about this whereas i think any normal person would have been like get out listen i don't want to hear this right now yeah yeah yeah i gotta save my game yeah i'm gonna find six that are out of vote for yeah here um but i mean honestly i think that's what makes rachel you know sort of unique and I got to save my game. Yeah. I'm in the final six. Let me consider who to vote for here. But I mean, honestly, I think that's what makes Rachel, you know, sort of unique. And Andy's in a position where, you know, he has worked with Rachel.

He's been really sincere about his desire to work with her from the very beginning of the game. And so I think it's not like an adversary kind of saying, I'm about to screw you over. But like, here's why I'm so great. You know, it's someone who has been an ally at times, you you know who probably was the more desirous of being an ally right who was the kind of beta in the relationship who wanted more from her than she wanted from him and so in that way it's like maybe she would be more generous to that because it's from someone she has a real relationship with and who's not the one who's necessarily like masterminding her ouster but i just think that somebody who's been such a fighter like rachel like i think it's not going to just like sit there

like a bump on a log like waiting for tribal council and gonna hear uh like their story and not be fighting like hell to figure something out right yeah yeah well it certainly was um it was really i mean i think it's worth it's worth trying. Right. Because what Andy knows is that the jury didn't respect his game. And do you feel like that you could you like do you wish that there might have been somebody like, OK, like, let me like sit Taj down before we go to tribal council and then I'm going to explain like what I did and that, you know, somebody could be my advocate. explain like what i did and that you know somebody could be my advocate yeah i mean not her specifically because i think she was pretty pissed but like aaron lobdell or something you know yeah i mean you know hey i'm so sorry to you i mean i see that as a world that's that's good i mean andy was in such an interesting position in this game because it seemed like no matter what he did he could not get the jury to change his perception of him they had they had locked in this idea he's a flipper you know maybe it was based it was probably largely like you know

initiated at that first challenge and it was probably reinforced by some of his erratic behavior you know and he leaned into it also yeah yeah i mean he talked about that how he played up that perception of him but that and as you said in your in your exit with him like that gave him a lot of room to maneuver but by the end when you're nothing you're doing is changing your perception like it's interesting because it kind of does incentivize him to go like bigger and crazier and bigger and crazier and yet nothing was working i mean that's so frustrating you know we talked a lot about i think it was last season right where jeff at the very start said one of you cannot win this game no matter what you do and i felt like andy was in that spot this game where it's like nothing he's doing is is allowing him to win. And so he gets to

pride. He's like zanier and zanier tactics. And like, honestly, I think this is not a bad one for someone who's in that spot of like knowing that the jury does not perceive them well. Why not try? Was this the best case scenario for Andy to go from where he was that we talked about him all season of like, okay, he's going to the end and the jury is not going to ultimately see his game. And he's going to be maybe zero vote finalist or one vote finalist. And people are going to say, well, why didn't he win? Why didn't he win? But the jury is not going to see it that way. And then he was sort of like, has like this Icarus like, uh, ascent and did he fly

too close to the sun in that he got Rachel to recognize that he was a threat. Yeah, that's fun. I mean, you're right. Like he was never going to win at the end. So at least getting voted out as a threat, like, cause wouldn't that, that is sort of what we all predicted for Andy, right? Like getting dragged to the finals and this soup position and like getting no votes and everyone's like show tells him why, how much he sucks at the end. And that would be kind of a really dragged to the finals in this soup position and like getting no votes and everyone's like tells him how much he sucks at the end. And that would be kind of a really disappointing end, right? Because he's done so much. He's tried so hard. So it's finally like Earn being a threat. You're right. Like this is the ideal scenario. And then, you know, perfectly positioned to be

on Survivor 50. Like couldn't be better. Yeah. No doubter for a returnee season, you feel? Couldn't be better. Yeah. No doubter for a returnee season, you feel? Oh, I mean, you've got to. I mean, he's really exactly who you want. I know you said it perfectly in your interview with him that he's someone who was both thought about the game strategically. He also showed a lot of emotion.

One thing that I don't think a lot of people talk about is he always, and maybe I've talked about this endlessly, seemed to have a, seemed to have a really good attitude, you know, around camp in his dealings with other people, he seemed to always be positive and smiling and people would be like, Andy, everyone hates you. You suck. And he's like, oh yeah, thanks for letting me know that, you know, appreciate, appreciate the perspective. You know, he's like really maintained, um, a pretty upbeat perspective and, you know, he had great like head gestures and weird looks at tribal council and just the whole thing was great. Yeah. He never got too down. Like he sort of like, uh, had, uh, moments where that things were, were not going his way, but you know, he was like, uh, you know, overjoyed to be there. And I think that that, uh, really came through and, you know, uh, had this very fun ride, uh, throughout the show. So I think we will certainly see more of andy uh let's talk about genevieve though okay yeah and genevieve ends up uh going out here did you think it was going to

be genevieve at the final five or do you think it was going to be sam oh i mean i assumed it was going to be genevieve like all like the will they or won't they pile votes on genevieve was just absolutely insane um and that had to be kind of a misdirect from production right i mean i assume that they had decided hey either way idle or no we're gonna pile votes on her you know and if it's not her like who's it gonna be like yeah you know and there was like some big question of who teeny was voting for i assume that teeny was trying to protect against the possibility that the idol was real and that they were the other vote right which seemed likely that it was going to be teeny would be voted out if not i mean if genevieve chose to not? Which seemed likely that it was going to be Teenie who would be voted out.

If not, I mean, if Genevieve chose to not vote Sam. So I guess it was sort of a defensive vote and they were trying to figure out like, does this make the most sense? Like, you know, you're always counting numbers. And from our perspective, of course, we see obviously Rachel and Sue are voting for Genevieve, but like maybe from Teenie's perspective,

that wasn't so obvious. Yeah. You know, Teenie, we know that Teenie thinks that they are a potential end game threat. Like we've seen that. So maybe you think that, hey, like Rachel and Sue are going to just mess me up this time. There's been so many, you know. Yeah. The Teenie story, though, for me is so confusing because I feel like even last night we had a whole reset of like, oh, here we go. Teenie has had it with Genevieve's crap and this is it this is finally gonna be

teeny's revenge on genevieve and then teeny voted for sam yeah um very uh i mean ultimately teeny was voting against genevieve right that was just a protective vote and i'm sure we don't know that i so. I think that was he takes so long in the voting booth. That's a mystery. I don't think teeny Jeff said, OK, teeny, you ready? Like, I am so ready. And then proceeded to take forever in the voting booth. Can I just say one thing? So remember the confessional that really, you know, teeny's bag burnt in the fire and teeny holds up the bag and says, yeah, this is it. This is the moment that this this bag represents the fire that has been lit under me since since that point. Teenie has only voted correctly for Kyle.

Teenie is one for four. One good, you know, good for Teenie for teeny one vote moment yeah um and were there any correct votes prior to that there were there were i teeny teeny was uh like i i did look at this i mean in in the beginning of the merge uh teeny you know but teeny got got told uh like team is in on the rome vote got told late in the game on the sam and sierra split got told late in the game on the saul vote so i got told you know was got told about the gabe vote but i don't think it was great like i'm sure that teeny's plan it was to vote i i really believe that it was whether like that they were calculating okay assuming genevieve plays an idol if these two votes are going there you know is genevieve gonna vote for sam are sam and genevieve plays an idol, if these two votes are going there, you know, is Genevieve going to vote for Sam? Are Sam and Genevieve going to vote together? If Genevieve votes for Sam and

Sam votes for me, you know, like it's just like, or Genevieve votes for me and Sam votes for, there's all these scenarios running. And it seems like very straightforward from our perspective, because we know where people's votes are going. We know that Genevieve and Sam are voting for each other. We know that, you know, that Genevieve's idol is not real, but you know, when you're out there and there's four other people and each one of them could vote a multitude of different ways and you don't know if there's an idol that's going to change everything,

there's a lot of scenarios to run through. So I give Teeny a lot of grace here. Okay. It's a good question for Teeny for next week. Can we just talk about Genevieve's return? A lot has been talked about Andy's returnee prospects. What do you think about Genevieve, the returnee? I think Genevieve's return like a lot has been talked about andy's returnee prospects what do you think about genevieve the returnee i think genevieve is competitive you know we people love genevieve she was a very strategic player also a lot of goofy looks uh yeah you know very

fun you know fun presence on camera presence on camera i definitely think genevieve is viable i don't think she's a lock but i would have said i did say carolyn was a lock and apparently that's not the case yeah i think that you know that's a lock, but I would have said, I did say Carolyn was a lock. And apparently that's not the case. Yeah. I think that, you know, that's a complicated situation there. Um, that who do you think, uh, might be in the same sort of category as Genevieve? Is there anybody else that from the new era that sort of like, uh, in her archetype? Yeah. That's a really interesting question. I think she's kind of a unique player. I don't think that there's like a Genevieve on every season right well what will characterize what what is her archetype uh so she is a charismatic uh professional woman who kind of has like uh this like uh sharky

game player in her that's willing to you know make, make big moves and also like has, uh, this, um, you know, uh, social game that she sort of feels weird about using. That's probably more, uh, you know, unique to her personal story, but I don't, I'm trying to think of, uh, maybe the chat might have it like, uh, like who else in the new era might you consider? I like, I think she might be kind of an inspired, uh, pick to come back. Yeah. I'm looking Like, I think she might be kind of an inspired, uh, pick to come back. Yeah.

I'm looking at, I'm looking at, um, you know, I'm kind of going through the different casts and sort of looking for my, who be, who might be an interesting parallel. Um,

and not really coming up with someone obvious. I mean, is that like, is that Franny at all? I mean, not really like, is there a Franny Genevieve? I think that,

um, that, uh, I could see it a little, a little bit. Um, but I think that, uh, I don't know. Franny to me feels like that she was a little bit more, uh, you know, uh, fun and goofy. And, um, I feel like that, you know, here we have Genevieve, who's just like a little bit more, like has like a little bit more like has like a little bit more of like a killer instinct ellie well i think i think i think that ellie is probably not uh deep into consideration ellie would be a great returnee though i think that's if that's true that's a mistake i think if there was some kind of like second chances season if they end up doing that at some point down the road i think that ellie would be a really good pick to come

back that was my winner pick for that season. Yeah. I mean, it was a great pick. Her and Gabler come back. Oh my gosh. I would love to see that. Yeah.

I guess, uh, hand in the chest is Emily is another person, uh, who, and I think, yeah, yeah.

Emily, uh, and Genevieve, uh, I think are a little bit different. Like Emily, I think had a little bit more of like the Andy journey, uh,

for the season. I don't think that people necessarily were uh intimidated so much by emily until she kind of and similar to andy she kind of like uh you know ends up like talking up one of her moves and then ends up uh putting herself really on people's radar so yeah i think that those are probably uh good picks yeah and And Emily was someone who also struggled with like how much emotion to show or not show. I mean, it's hard because every person is a unique snowflake. Yes. Stephen. So for Genevieve and Sam, I was very sympathetic to them. I feel like is there anything that they could have done in this scenario where it's really like a worst case scenario for them, where Rachel ends up

winning the immunity sue has an idol like what what can they do yeah and what a crazy immunity which was so close so many times it's wild that truly like all of us you know we're not we're people are talking is rachel one of the best winners you know of all time or of the new era and like truly she was five seconds away from losing, you know, it's just wild how much, how much chance, um,

and play plays into this and randomness. Um, what was the question? So for Genevieve and Sam, uh, that, uh, this was really kind of like a no win scenario.

Like there was no, like there was no play other, other than, I don't even know, like other than getting rachel or sue to somehow vote out teeny in this spot there's no way i like your i like your like question to because i had the same thought like when she told teeny that she had like she didn't have an idol if she was trying to like get teeny like doubled out that you know oh genevieve would never tell

me the truth it's you know so it must she must have it worked to great effect it was just nobody believes the frustrating thing as a viewer it's like wait there's still no way this can work yeah yeah i mean it did seem like it might have paid off a little bit um but in that case sam is going home right they're not both advanced yeah Do you think if they both made it to four that they would, um, turn on each other there? Or do you think they're kind of like, you know, is this a real alliance in the old school? about the other as like a potential threat to their game i think that they would have been sort of content to duke it out uh based off of like where they both had been so um you know probably you know a good question that we can ask sam about next week of like uh like did you ever have a thought about getting out genevieve but i think he was just trying to advance advance advance and maybe it would have been a decision to make, you know, if he has the opportunity to potentially decide who goes into the fire. But that's a great segue

to talk about Sam and where he's at, Stephen, because I really I thought that this going into that two hour episode, I thought, OK, Sam and Genevieve go home and Andy's in the final four with Rachel and Sue and Teenie was not expecting Sam to still be here at the end of these two hours, but now here he is. And he has a shot. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting because Sam in the pre-merge was one of the most dominant players, right? We were certainly talking about him a lot. You know, he, he was the glue guy on Godda. He was, you know, there was a great scene when he finds the idol and he gets like everybody

involved. We saw so much of sam's strategic gameplay there so much of his thinking and in the merge he's really kind of hit this sort of owen jaco cain story of like the guy who just can't pull it out you know the guy who just can't get that i mean i see a world where sam is sitting there at the end and you know it maybe is the runner-up you know maybe he gets a zero i mean i don't think he gets zero votes right sierra's got a vote for sam right in this spot but yeah i don't know i think we'll lose to rachel but it's also hard to imagine the scenario where he gets to the end with rachel i don't i don't think that's that crazy like i think there's a world where i mean there's any number of scenarios.

He wins the final immunity and puts Rachel and Teenie in fire, hoping that Rachel somehow messes up, but not wanting to jeopardize his own spot. I mean, that's a viable one. I think that he is the guy who I think is going to risk it for the biscuit. I think that he is going to put Rachel, and he's going to take Rachel on into the fire. By the way, just going back to Sam and Genevieve,

in a deleted scene, he told Genevieve he was planning on beating her in fire. So if he's thinking about doing that with Genevieve, I think he would certainly think about doing that with Rachel. I think the interesting scenario is what if Sam wins the final four scenario of a challenge, takes on Rachel in fire and loses? We've never seen that before. Yeah, that would be so sad. I mean, it sounds like it's like a very big possibility, but I'm not totally out on the idea that that he sends teeny in thinking to himself like I am guaranteed a spot in the final three. And this way, like I at least complete my case. You know, he's counting votes. I think I've got a good relationship with, you know, everyone.

I'm not totally you think it's a non-starter but i i think it's viable um i i would love to make a know-it-alls bet on that if sam if sam wins the uh final four immunity challenge that uh that he uh would not i think he would definitely send himself into it and would never send teeny of all people up against rachel to go to the slaughter and then be made a foot like a prop up rachel and then also be made a fool out of like, that's what happened with Xander, uh, going back into,

um, survivor 41, where it's like, okay, I'm going to send, you know, Erica and, uh,

you know, the, it got to prop up Erica and people were, Ricard was like, why wouldn't you, if, if you thought she was the biggest threat, why wouldn't you go up against her?

Yeah. I mean, it does seem like, I'm sorry that he took erica and brought the sean and they put the sean and um heather into the fire yeah um it does seem like um there's a lot of parallels between xander and sam honestly like you can you can see a lot of you know they're similar archetypes um i don't think they're the same i think you know i i mean i think xander was probably younger right sam seems a lot more strategic you know he's he had probably a

much bigger influence on the game overall, certainly with his pre-merge drive. But you can see a world where they're in that same spot of having all the right credentials, getting there to the end, and then not being chosen. And because they're just against a dominant force. I'm not out on them being there together.

I think, obviously, whoever wins is taking Sue. That's a no-brainer. But maybe. You don't think that, yeah, Sue is the good fire person. If anything, if you were going to do that, if you were Sam and you won the challenge and you were worried about. Oh, let's do it. Yeah. Put Sue up against Rachel.

That's not a crazy idea. Actually, that's a viable world, right? Where Sam chooses Sue, who's the fire tender. Fire bug, yeah, covered in soot. Go against Rachel. That's a viable world, right? Where Sam chooses Sue, who's the fire tender. Fire bug, yeah, covered in soot. Go against Rachel. That's a world. That would be the move if you were going to do that, but not to say.

And there's a world where Sue wins that. Yeah. So, I mean, interesting. But I have a feeling Rachel is just a sharpshooter when it comes to the fire also. That would probably be a pretty good matchup, Rachel versus Sue. Those are probably the two best people.

Although Sam seems to think he's pretty good. Yeah. I't i don't think it's crazy i can see i mean sam's gonna be an austin kind of character yeah and i do think that there is like a very plausible scenario where sam wins the final four challenge beats rachel in fire and goes on to win the season like i i think that that is uh like the most likely scenario is rachel is the winner of the season but but yeah the other the other possible scenario is that there is a multiverse where where that happens and you know if we could talk a little bit about the edit you know uh you were talking about this uh quite a bit last night where you know the show uh really you know especially in the new era likes to build somebody up big right before their fall. And thinking back to just over the overall arc of the season, you know, Rachel has been really,

you know, has emerged as one of like maybe behind Andy, like the main character of the show over these last couple of weeks, but was very under-edited in the pre-merge where Sam has been, you know, especially in the start of the season, we get like a real formal introduction to Sam as a character. Yeah. I mean, Rachel was there in episode one, right?

We got some of that tension between like Andy and Rachel. We got a lot of Rachel's perspective, actually, in the first episode, much more so than we did in the later part of Gada. You know, but it's interesting. We've heard a lot about Rachel as a threat in a way that more than we've even seen.

Right at the merge, oh, Rachel's a threat. We got to get out Rachel. She's the ringleader. And at the time, it was kind of like, is she? She is? I didn't know that. We're being told she's a threat. And apparently, that's a common way that Survivor edits these under-the-radar winners, is that they were repeatedly told she's a threat and apparently that's a common way that survivor edits these under the radar um winners is that they are repeatedly told they're a threat um i do think

we've seen a lot more of that recently the thing that is you know we often see the winner kind of emerge as the point of view character in the finale like we get many more confessionals from their perspective i really felt that with rachel last. That said, like, is that the real, is that the real finale? The thing that like, the thing that flummoxes me is that like going, I was just saying at the start, like going into next week,

there's like no ambivalence or no question. Like if Rachel gets there, she's winning. She's the best at fire. She's going to hands down win in a final three. Like, doesn't that like remove all the drama from like watching and maybe they'll build up some other person as like,

Oh, here comes Sam. But, but Rachel slays him at the last minute, which is a very viable possibility. But yeah, it's hard. But if it's a runaway, like that's what you do, right? If Rachel wins in a, you know, a shutout, then you would have to build her up. I would say the only other like nagging thought for me is I feel like that just Rachel, like as a character, like did, did we learn anything about her as a person over

the course of the season? It's like, Rachel is a bad-ass Rachel's good at the game. Rachel is a sharky player. She is like a great strategist and you know, don't sleep on Rachel, but like, has there been anything about her, you know, personal other than, you know, she really wanted rice. But other than that, like, I feel like it's been just only, only like Rachel, the gamer. I don't think that really there's been any sort of like talk about her like outside of the game.

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And the challenge. Why are you wearing a shirt in a swimming challenge? Oh, okay. These are the observations that only you pick up. Well, I tweeted about it, but like it varies. So apparently Sam was sick is the rationale I was told. That's why he would wear. I don't know like why being sick would make you like want to wear a shirt. Like you'd want to keep your clothes dry. I wasn't sure if he actually was sick or he was saying like, Hey, don't pick me for the challenge.

But he tweeted that he had like a huge, a crazy fever. Yeah. But like, even so, like in that scenario, like you keep your shirt dry, you take your shirt off. I jump in the water, like I have less drag, you know, every, you know every every i just don't maybe because he was feverish he wasn't thinking clearly like that's the only thing i can i can um you know because those challenges they come down to seconds so wearing a shirt while you're swimming you know that's that's hard okay yeah you uh you know had wanted to talk about uh rachel's potential legacy uh i had said on

last week's survivor know-it-alls that i felt like uh coming out of that episode uh even though it was not rachel's episode i had felt that if i had said that if rachel wins the game that there's a case to be made that rachel is the best player in the new era um there were the some pushback in the car. I love to read the comments, read all the comments. Okay. There was some pushback on that. And then I kind of felt like that after this episode, these, this two hour episode, I kind of, I felt, you know, like, Hey, like that take is, is aging like fine wine.

And I felt like she's the best player permanently. Yes. I don't agree with that i don't i don't agree that even if after a win i don't think that rachel is the greatest survivor player of all time but i think that there is a very strong case to be made but i've been seeing a lot of pushback about rachel as a player and i think that that has been based around a couple of things uh if i if i could bring up the arguments against rachel and then we can sort of talk them through um she's been blindsided three times yeah um so i don't know i feel like that in terms of the new era and what and what like matters in terms of the new era i

think the people have she's been blindsided. She, has she directed a vote? Has she, is she the leader of an alliance? But I feel like that in the new era, if you are playing optimally, being the head of an alliance and directing votes tends to get you voted out of the game almost instantly. And so I think that Rachel

is really the perfect player to play in this particular era of Survivor. She has not dominated the votes, but she's had this amazing survival instinct and this superpower to be able to feel the pressure and to be able to feel the pressure and to be able to have the resources to be able to move out of the way from any sort of trouble.

And she's been able to pull together alliances when she's needed to. And there's been a lot being made about her luck. I think that she has been both lucky and unlucky in the new era. But as far as like a skillset, I think that Rachelachel is just uh like she's dealt with a lot of adversity that some of the other people she's being compared to

may not have had to deal with at all right i mean the obvious comparison is someone like d right who played a much more dominant game and but i would say oh god you go no i was gonna say like but then did d did not have to deal with that type of adversity because her tribe was dominant. She was in an alliance that stuck together really beautifully. I mean, of course, she was a part of that. You know, to your point about having bad luck and then having good luck, you know, even that episode where she was saved by Saul's advantage, she had gotten extremely unlucky with that tribe swap. Or not the tribe, but the split, I guess, i guess the merge split you know where she was the one person on the outs of a whole group of of tukus so like she got super unlucky and then and

then she got lucky and and in fact her luck was more based on her personality right because saul perceived her as someone he wanted to work with so that's like based on who she is as a player as opposed to the bad luck that put her in that situation which was completely out of her control and was just random so now that one i actually kind of give like the check to rachel instead of luck um shannon gus had a great point which i really liked was which was that she's one of the best like underdog players and i think that kind of helped me see you know because like the best of the new era i find like that's a challenging one for me like you know you look at someone like charlie last season who i thought was so subtle so great at shifting the votes exactly where he wanted them.

And in my mind, you know, being able to get the votes to go where you want them is the distinctive survivor skill. But to your point, like that's a that's helpful in the new era. I was talking about it with Sophie Clark and she was like, you know, like different players have different skill sets. You know, I am I, you know, from my perspective, like that is the survivor skill, but other players have different skills and she maximizes hers. So I thought Shannon's point of like, she's like one of the best or the best underdog players, like of this particular archetype with this particular skill set. I like that. I can co-sign that. So one of the things that's so impressive to me about Rachel is that a lot of these other people that we're talking about, like nobody was ever trying to get them out. Um, and that Rachel has been able to evade the people, like people have been gunning for Rachel for quite some time.

And whether it's in, in the way of, you know, uh, you know, working with a different group, she's won three individual immunity challenges. You know, Kyle was sort of like blocking the individual immunities. And now that Kyle's been gone, she's won three out of four individual immunity challenges. She played the idol. She went on the journey. She got the advantage. So she's really been having to play a game where it's very it's much easier to play the game where nobody is coming for you. And yet I could sort of sit back and I don't have a lot of heat on me and I can sort of like direct things. Sure, that's a skillset also. But I think what Rachel is doing is so impressive

because that she's had to just be like tap dancing through this whole post-merge and she's done it masterfully. And even pre-merge. I mean, you know, to see when Annika was blindsided, you know, her whole alliance structure immediately crumbled. And she's now, she's like going into this merge with people who she doesn't trust anymore and is still able to, you know, work through those relationships.

Yeah, no, she has played a fantastic game. And I don't, I, you know, the best of the new era, suddenly I'm like, well, you know. It's hard. It's different circumstances. Charlie didn't win. Like, does winning like make you better than the loser? If, if, if Charlie only lost because of the better vote? This is assuming that Rachel goes on to win the game.

You also have to play it out forward where Rachel probably either wins another immunity challenge and or makes the fire also. I think that there's a chance that if she's sitting there with Teenie and Sue, she could win 8-0. That's what I was saying. Yeah, I think there is a possibility that it's a chance that, you know, if she's sitting there with Teenie and Sue, she could win 8-0. That's what I was saying. Yeah, I think there is a possibility that it's a shutout.

Like, because, yeah, I mean, you know, who's, especially if she wins, you know, either she wins fire or she wins an immunity challenge in that scenario. And then she's tied for the most female immunity challenges ever, right? Which I always want people to at least tie the record. It's so exciting to, like, see that someone can, like, co-hold a record. And she's, you know, it's interesting that that like for for the women it's just four you know it's just like going back to the very first season of the show that's the ceiling yeah for whatever reason and guys it's been five right no no guys has passed five and that's been that's held for for a really long time yeah i hope they never break it i hope that's always the

record i always want someone to you know you just want someone to like crash. You want to see history. Yeah. Um, but for Rachel, like it's been interesting because the, you know, people have had like, there's been a target on her back,

but you know, I feel like, uh, that there's been like, for whatever reason, like Genevieve seems scarier to people. Like she, uh,

she was able to like also like, uh, be recognized as a big threat, but also be able to hide in certain ways too right well i mean though like and to your point like she won when she really needed to right like with you know she was immune right before operation slash project italy happened and if she had not been she would have gone home so like that doesn't that's not luck like she won like she played she was playing survivor there you know she she did something that she needed to on survivor um so like that that um

you know to get those wins at key moments certainly again last night um to play to have the the perfect idol you know that she that she found you know but playing it at the perfect moment again like yeah it's it's a really great game i mean she definitely has a really great game yeah i've just been uh super impressed, you know, she has to finish the job. It's a different argument. If you know, uh, she ends up coming short, like I do think that getting the win, uh, you know, does, does mean something. Yeah. I don't know, but you don't need to tell me look at Charlie, you know, like is Charlie a worse player because Maria didn't vote for him? Like, I think that if you were going to, you know, make make this comparison and, you know, Charlie got to the final three and ultimately, you know, didn't have the the the jury management or that the jury went sideways on Charlie.

But I think that and I think that we talked about it last season, that Charlie was playing one of the one of the best games of the new era. We talked about it last season that Charlie was playing one of the one of the best games of the new era. But ultimately, you know, we have to look at the results. And, you know, there there was an issue there that ultimately it didn't work out for for Charlie. So I think that I'm just sometimes there are things that I mean, again, like you can argue that like he didn't have a certainly with Charlie. You can say like he didn't play up his he didn't telegraph to the jury enough. You know what that he was making. like you just said earlier in this podcast but like i do think there are things that work out against a player where it's like really outside their control they could be playing a spectacular game and like you know yeah he also got unlucky

with um that you know he needed to like maria to not win uh immunity when she happened to win i think she won like two in a row when he was planning to take her out. And then the time when, uh, it was the time to, uh, vote out Maria, like it was a little like muddied in terms of like, it wasn't like a clean shot that like, okay, Charlie got out Maria at this vote. It was sort of like a team group. Uh, we all got out, uh, we all got out Maria. And then he had to sort of like pretend to group. We all got out. We all got out Maria. And then he had to sort of like pretend to like Maria was like, wanted to work with him on that vote. So,

you know, no, yeah. And for sure. And like, but like, and it's true that, you know,

it wasn't just Maria who didn't vote for Charlie, right. There were five people who didn't vote for Charlie and a lot. You have to put the onus of that on Charlie for not better telegraphing his game for not, you know, taking someone aside like Andy did and explaining what he, what he, what he, how he had played.

He could have told Q the whole story. Yeah. He could have told Venus. I feel like Venus would have been, you know, I mean, not someone who they would have necessarily like put a lot of face in. Yes. Somebody who would have been quite persuasive with the jury.

I'm sure. Yeah. Okay. Let me see anything else that you uh said that you tweeted out uh me and uh me and you uh rob and me discussing our thoughts tomorrow about who is going to win this survivor season uh why are we tweedledee and tweedledum have we been way off on things well we were off on caroline and and teeny being the potential winners here i i just wanted to like bring the tweedledee and tweedledum into it you know show

that we could joke about that tweedledee and Tweedledum. Yes. Okay. The one thing we didn't talk about was it a mistake for Rachel to tell Sue about her idol at the start of the episode. Yeah. It's interesting that I think Rachel could not have imagined that Sue had her own idol. But I think that for Rachel, and i don't know if this was sort of implied and andy gave a threat that rachel had made to him of like hey if you lie to me one

more time me and sue are not voting for you on the jury and it sort of like forced him into being truthful i think with sue for rachel to tell sue about her idol it's like by the way sue if you tell anybody that i have my idol, I'm playing it and that I'm going to write your name down. Yeah. Yeah. Or they're going to split the vote and put the votes on you. Yeah. And I liked what Caroline said last, you know, I thought your interview with Caroline was, was really great. And I thought she had a lot of really astute insight. Did you think I was hung over when you talked to me on Thursday last week? I mean, your voice sounded scratchy. I don't know where you're, you know, I don't know if you had a

headache or not. I don't know if you were like, you know, it sounded like you had been talking to people for multiple hours the previous night and maybe your voice was a little tired. Seems like a pretty good theory. Yeah. Um, and that you would probably add seven or eight, you know, shots of Patron. Pretty much. Yeah. I hadn't gone to bed yet. Yeah. Um, sorry. I digress. Yeah. Um, but I thought she had a great interview with her. One of the things she said was, you know, you really, she really focused on speaking to people in their language. Right. You know? Um, so she, you know, with, with Andy or someone like Sue, she really like spoke to them emotionally, you know, you know, connected with them on, on emotional levels in a way that, you know,

where, and I think, you know, Rachel's obviously doing the emotional levels in a way that you know where and i think you know rachel's obviously doing the same thing here with with sue you know she's connecting with her showing vulnerability you know daring um something else caroline said that i thought was really smart that i don't think i've ever heard articulated before was the idea of keeping threats around who are like you you know that like at a certain point in the game people are looking to target certain types of players. So like, that's why she kept, um, she voted out Kyle over Genevieve was because Kyle was someone who was not like her, but Genevieve was kind of like a more intimidating

version of her. So she kept like, if they were looking to vote out, you know, a strategic woman, you know, it was tall, you know, Genevieve would be the one they'd focus on and, and not, and not her. I thought that was very, it was clever. Okay. Yeah. Caroline, I think would be very fun to talk to you on a longer podcast too. All right. Let's take some questions. Okay. How about from Phil Magoo, uh, would Sue beat Teenie in a hypothetical final two? I think, I think Sue has votes has votes you know i think there's a world where caroline votes for sue um you know you could even like caroline gabe kyle i've argued that kyle could be a super kyle was no teeny fan yeah he voted for teeny on the way out that's

right because kyle kyle really came out against i think rachel would vote for sue yeah and i think a lot of people feel like teeny has played the game very emotionally and also that they have, you know, like like who is it, Sam, who said, if you want to get information out, you tell Teenie and then it gets out to everybody. You know, I think that is their perception right now and not a beloved one. Yeah. OK. Something else that came up last night that I would love to get your take on that Sam got to go to vote and uh on the parchment it said uh your vote has been blocked so unless you have an extra vote go back to your seat right so what did you think about that mechanic of that if Sam has an extra vote his vote is blocked but he can play the extra vote I think that's fair you think it's one block you're not it's not like a total wasn't even thinking about one vote yeah okay all right yeah it doesn't prevent you from voting you just prevents you from uh having the

one vote okay all right um let's see let me look at these the questions we've got i'm trying to see what we haven't talked about okay um hmm how much of the absence of the shot in the dark led to the honesty of Sam and Andy towards Rachel well I will say that the shot in the dark would have been expired by this point oh but do you feel like that it changed uh the they could have the shot in the dark last week the last time you can play it I

thought is seven the last time I thought it was seven oh maybe you're right maybe you're right because the odds are are one and six so maybe it's like always I don't know um question for the for the chat if it's uh seven or six yeah i mean definitely like you know you're not telling anybody i mean that's what was good about the shot in the dark right is it stops these kind of yeah forthright honest conversations from happening and leads to more duplicity okay uh prayers and ponytails would rachel put herself in fire do you see a scenario

where rachel puts herself into the fire like is she any scenario but i don't think it's like i mean if you're rachel and you think that you have it in the bag why why do that well i'll you know rachel just to give some backstory you mentioned dama bate uh and dama bate uh you know uh he is friendly with Rachel. I think that they were in like that. They're both in like some like online poker playing group. Oh, interesting. They got started up around COVID.

And so if Rachel is friends with Dom and the one thing that Dom was like raked over the coals for was that, Oh, why didn't he put himself into fire? You have like a Natalie Anderson, uh, not to say that, you know, uh, where people don't vote for Natalie,

like Natalie, why didn't you put yourself into the bar? Why didn't you take out Tony? That was different. Could the jury sit? Could Rachel be worried about like, Oh, there's no Tony,

but it could Rachel be concerned that, that oh if i don't take out sam myself right now sam makes the fire in front of the jury it will sam be propped up enough where that he's potentially going to steal the win can sam what if that happens can Sam win this jury how about that question okay let's play this out okay this is a world okay so so that Rachel says you know what Sue you beat go beat Sam in the fire and somehow Sam beat Sue in the fire okay so the final three is Sam, Rachel and teeny. Yes. Okay. All right. And the jury is, okay. I've got it. Uh, the jury is, uh, Sierra. Um, Sierra is a vote for, uh, Sam. Okay. Yeah. Then after Sierra, it was Saul or Sam. I think he's so happy. He looks so happy when,

uh, Rachel did, did something. And, and, and yes, Rachel turned on him, but I think he feels like that.

That's like his, his co-win. Uh, or like Sam was the one who told him, Hey, it's going to be you tried to save him. But also teeny was the one. Remember when way back, you know, that when saga voted out, it was teeny. That you, tried to save him. But also Teenie was the one. Remember way back, you know, that when Saul got voted out,

it was Teenie that was like the emotional. Yeah, I still don't think Saul is voting for Teenie. Maybe that's, you know, me feeling sour grapes. What was your sour grapes? Well, just like I went so, you know, I really put so much of my, you know, I put so much, you know. You love Saul so much that Teenie couldn't save him. I don't want anybody to have

saul's vote but me um i by the way i listened to the one to the song on the wand off about it was very humorous yes yes a couple of great saul songs on the wand off um so i think i think saul could go either way i kind of think i see him okay so let's let's revisit saul if it's close enough. Okay. Gabe is a vote for who? Gabe is I, maybe Sam. Oh, that's another tough one. Yeah.

Um, okay. Kyle is a vote for Sam. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Uh, then,

uh, we have Caroline. Caroline is a vote for Rachel. Okay. Then, uh, Andy, Andy could go either way too, but probably Rachel. Okay. Then Andy. Andy could go either way too, but probably Rachel. I think probably

Rachel. And then now Genevieve is a vote for Sam. Sam. I mean, this is this could be a nail biter. It was a nail biter. Surprise Sam win over Rachel. No. Yeah. And then Sue, I think is a vote for Rachel. So it really comes down

to those two saul and gabe votes that we can't figure out so that that would actually be our our probably tightest version of this yeah um so with that now that you know that should rachel go into the make fire against sam maybe so maybe so um so so a lot of people are saying in the chat that um and you know forgive me for looking at the chat uh but that that uh genevieve might vote for for rachel you know they're they were the two sort of like they had this sort of like right head-to-head rivalry they respected each other i could see that happening i could see it yeah yeah but it's close either either way it's close uh so you know if rachel feels that good about her fire making, maybe, uh, she should do it.

Yeah. Interesting. Well, we'll see. We'll find out. Okay. Um, a lot of questions about, uh, if, uh, Sam and Rachel are with each other. So we're, uh, we've already cracked that one. Okay. Let's, uh, see some other questions. Um, Have you noticed that Star Wars 47 is the first new era season without dramatic backstory segments? I think we've gotten like minimal. There've been a few. Who do we get? We got Kyle's.

I mean, I don't know. Kyle talked about it. I don't know if we got like a... Yeah, I think that the show is better at figuring it. Like I think they overdid it. And I think that like the last couple of seasons, like they came out with the new era. It was a little clunky, some of the stuff they're doing. But I think that like the last couple of seasons, like the new, they came out with the new era. It was a little clunky.

Some of the stuff they're doing, but I think that they've like done a really good job, like in 45, 46, 47, sort of figuring out like what they want the show to be in the new era. A lot of dramatic Keyshawn segments. However,

a lot of flashbacks about Keyshawn. A lot of flashbacks. Do you think he's going to come out in the, maybe that's the surprise that we're not expecting. You know, there's been so much leading up to what happened to Keyshawn. Keyshawn affected everything. Do you think he comes out in the final? Maybe that's the surprise that we're not expecting. You know, there's been so much leading up to what happened to Keyshawn. Keyshawn affected everything. You think he comes out in the end?

That could be a surprise. Well, I had a thought that we didn't really see Genevieve much in the game until the Keyshawn boot. Like, isn't it fitting that Genevieve's game really begins on the Keyshawn boot episode? Yeah. Oh, that's a very good point. It's like she like turned into a new person. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Anything, it's like like turned into a new person. Yeah. Okay.

Um, let's see. Anything else that's on your mind? No. Hmm. Okay. What about your mind? No,

I, I'm, you know, I'm very excited to see, uh, how this plays out. It's been a very fun season and, you know,

I think we have a couple of, uh, interesting possibilities for next, uh, Wednesday's, I think we have a couple of interesting possibilities for next Wednesday's two hour finale. Yeah. Oh, the one other thing I wanted to say was, you know, Caroline being her incredible self, you know, she was like, yes, she was cheering when when, you know, Rachel played her idol and got out, got out Andy. But then, you know, and I thought I was thinking to myself, gosh, Andy's going to get a very frosty reception in the jury house. But then, you know, at the next tribal council to myself gosh andy's gonna get a very frosty reception in that jury house but then you know at the next tribal council like caroline's

like looking at andy and kind of like you know making reactions with him and smiling i just thought you know she's she's so lovely she's so lovely yeah i feel like that the jury for the most part like i guess we've seen like some bitter ponderosa videos but i kind of feel like that uh a lot of times uh all sins are forgiven by the time everybody gets to the jury that's nice um like i remember in survivor the amazon i was like oh i'm gonna get to the jury. That's nice. I remember in Survivor of the Amazon, I was like, oh, I'm going to get to the jury and Alex is going to be mad at me. You get there and everyone's like, hey, you idiot.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. Who is she for, Rachel, obviously. Yes. Okay. I'm just trying to see if there's any other questions that we didn't explore. But yeah, I think we ended up covering everything. Good job by us.

did you notice when rachel said oh gosh the chat just scrolled oh no okay um that she found her idol she said after the sierra vote which is not true it was before that could be lead to a big reveal at the final tribal council in the name of her shot in the dark move that's a cool idea did you notice when rachel uh said she found her idol she said after the sierra vote which is not true it was before um um yeah that's interesting i I do wonder if that might've been just like a slip up. Cause she did say she got it in the auction. Like she was right. She was saying that, Oh,

it took her a while to find it. So, um, did you think anything about, uh, Genevieve having to reveal, uh, where she found the,

she was like, Oh yeah, it was under speed. I mean, she didn't even, didn't even blink. She was, she was ready Stone Cold. She was like, oh yeah, it was under speed. I mean, she didn't even blink. She was ready. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Then TQTW, who do you think holds the most sway in Ponderosa right now? And who are they rooting for? Who do you think is the most influential juror? I wonder if it is Saul. Or, you know, often the last jurors are the ones.

I mean, probably Genevieve has a lot of sway here i think so i don't think that saul is like a particularly like i think sauce just seems like so like low-key like i can't imagine saul is really like politicking at ponderosa yeah i mean genevieve probably has a lot of you know caroline probably has a lot of influence um yeah gabe i think is the good bet as like the kind of yeah that's a good that's a good bet and we don't even know who he's voting for yeah okay all right so steven fishback will be back one week from today we'll know the winner we'll know everything we'll know everything yeah

uh what else is exciting in your world right now hey you know it's cold it's cold is it cold there cold and rainy um it had been cold and rainy today it's like the first sunny day in a while yeah yeah um yeah nothing okay we're taping another episode of blood on the clock tower on sunday um that's gonna be really fun we've got a really fun group it's a very um we haven't released our second episode but we are editing it uh it looks very very it's very good i think even. We've got a really fun group. It's a very, we haven't released our second episode, but we are editing him. It looks very, very, it's very good.

I think even maybe even better than the first one. So hopefully the third one will be even better than the second one. Yeah. So it'll be, it'll be, what survivors from survivor 47. This isn't a returning player season. Like who would you think would from survivor 47,

would you like to see play blood on the clock tower? Well, I'm actually like, you know, Christian and I were really committed to this, this, this, you know, our, our hat blood on the clock tower survivors Well, I'm actually like, you know, Christian and I, we're really committed to this, this, this, you know, our, our hat blood on the clock tower survivors play. So we've been, you know, bringing in some of the survivors to, to, to join us. And there's been some, some great 47ers. I don't want to give away any names unless they don't want to, you know, they don't want to be their names to be out or, or if they perform

disastrously, we might not actually want them to come into the main game, but we've got some good ones. And, you know, the most exciting thing is we're taping on Sunday with perhaps the most famous New Era survivor, Kane. Yes. Very popular. Yeah, name drop. Name drop that he's going to be there.

I think we need Sue to play Blood on the Clock Tower. Okay. Well, you will be the one to contact her, teach her the game, and run them with her. Mine is full. Because I think that she's probably going to be the person who takes being betrayed in Blood on the Clock Tower

in the most interesting and entertaining way. Yeah. That would be very funny. Listen, that would be great funny that would listen that would be great yes okay i'm gonna say you gotta give it to sue sue is sue is like there she's like i mean sue's there that's not we haven't talked about sue i feel like sue needs some flat we didn't even talk about sue's idol that's so sad like this the big secret she's been holding the whole game like you know waiting for her moment and she plays it and it's kind of like, yay, Sue, good for you.

Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of a two-winds. Like, Sue seems like is a great story, has persevered. But, you know, in the new era, we have these players who it's like, okay, nobody takes them seriously in terms of like nobody's ever voting for them. Nobody's not wanting, like we heard Sam one time mention Sue's name and that's it. Genevieve was pushing Sue. It was a good plan. Because getting rid of Sue opens up spots in the final Tribal Council. Yeah, but nobody was really buying it.

And Genevieve was arguing for what I'm saying right now. I just feel like there's some people who play this game, and they're playing on a completely different skill level that nobody is ever trying to vote them out. So it's basically like uh they could do literally anything and not lose until they get to the final three or lose fire making like she's controlled her threat level think of how perfectly she's managed her threat level nobody's coming for her she's 59 that's amazing like truly that's fantastic i mean she's in it she's like you know

in all these challenges i mean you know sure and yeah she looked for the idols she worked she worked hard around the camp but it's just like if if you are like never if nobody's ever coming for you if nobody's and i guess and kyle did write her name down once upon a time um but like uh since not since tk was in the game has there been like a serious attempt to try to knock her out of the game you know uh she's just vibing yeah who but is she the old like who are the old who is even older than her in the new era i mean who did she has anybody been uh played in the new era uh like yeah mike turner she's older than um than um gabler by like five six years. Mike Turner, let's see. So I think she's got to be, yeah, Mike.

Yeah, give her her flowers. Yeah. Mike was up, Mike was right, was close to that when he played. So a little bit younger, but you know, he certainly played a better game at that age. Okay. All right.

So we've got still a lot coming up, including on Friday, we'll have the patron Q&A. And then on Saturday, I will be dropping when I will talk with Drew Basile. And he can weigh in on where we are at heading into the final four. So be sure to check that out. Over on the confessional, our own RHAP newsletter, where smart reality stars write about the shows

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