RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 5

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

Survivor 47 is heating up, and the Survivor Know-It-Alls are back to break down the episode 5. 

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Survival no it holds Yeah, that's right. Fresh off a trip to New York City. The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back here on Friday here as I've traveled back home and ready to talk about this with my number one bro, Chacho. Here he is, Stephen Fischbeck. Stephen, how are you? Yeah, snob Sestranino back from the big city where he was hobnobbing with the Glitterati. Finally making some time for the common people here on the Know It All. Thank you. Thank you. Did your monocle get stuck while you were in?

That's how I imagine you at these events in a tuxedo and a monocle. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm Mr. Peanut, basically. That's Mr. Peanut to you. It looked very fun. You know what?

I need to take that back. You are like the Dusty Rhodes of podcasting. The hardest looking man in podcasting. For anyone who doesn't remember in the 90s wrestling, Dusty Rhodes, Mr. Americana. Yeah, the American dream. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

All right. So we had our final maybe pre-merge episode of survivor 47, uh, this week. And as Steven alluded to, uh, we did the live show in New York city. Steven, I was very happy with how our video came out from the event. Usually I feel like we had people like, uh, they come, they have a great time, but then I feel like that for the people at home, maybe it's not that great of an experience. And I really work to make sure that we had great video coverage of this latest event. If you haven't checked that out, that's, that's very cool to hear. Cause I know that that's been a challenge in the past,

multiple cameras tried to get as much coverage as possible. And so I really, really appreciate the camera work that was done. And it was, I thought the best one yet that we've been able to produce as a live show. That's fantastic. And it looked like there was a real, you know, real turnout. Is it true that the reason you no longer invite me to these events is because more people were waiting to talk to me than to you? Yes, that is that's a big factor. But, you know, I'm willing to, you know, reconsider if people can give, you know, equal time. I think that that's a stipulation. Yeah. No, it looked like a lot of fun. I did have like serious fun. There was like a moment, a moment, um, when I was considering like, should I just go? But then I realized I was going to be on vacation with my wife for the first time we've gotten

away from both kids ever. Wow. Um, and I thought maybe that would not be appreciated if I left, uh, our wonderful vacation in Tennessee to, uh, to go to, uh, so you would just pop in, you would just like crash the show, like in the middle, like, uh, and just like, uh, good God, that's Stephen Fishback's music.

I have this vision of like, you know, get full disguise and just like heckling you from the crowd until it reaches a point of such miserable tension, you know, and then just leaving at that point, just being like, it would be a great spectacle.

And so, um, definitely do it in the future. Yeah. Okay. So we had a really nice turnout, a really great event in New York, had a lot of fun at our patron meetup on a Tuesday night.

And then I, uh, had the chance. I talked to Anika on the road. I was at my mom's house yesterday morning. I heard it was a great interview. Very interesting. A lot of,

um, yeah, I i just i don't appreciate when people say that i'm hung over on the day after like uh i i don't drink enough to get hung over well yeah you didn't i didn't get that you were you were you maybe it was people were projecting oh maybe like they were hung over that you were hung over yeah um but i yeah i thought annika was really was really great she seemed like uh somebody who you know it's the problem with the show they cast it too well like in another world i think she's like a really great player yeah yeah i mean she seemed to be in a good spot in this world she was a great player just a luckier player yeah right i mean truly like and

that really did seem like it could have gone i I mean, like, let's talk about how close that immunity challenge was. Like, truly, if Andy had sawed that rope a little faster, and as I did see someone on Twitter, like, comment how, like, sawing ropes was, like, such a, like, fundamental part of Annika's storyline, but very funny. But, yeah, if Andy had just, like, used the correct side of the blade, like, realistic chance that Annika is still there. Yep. I mean, that's that's survivor baby survivor baby like it's truly like there's i mean when i think even from my own experience there's so many things where like one like teeny tiny twist of fate ends up affecting the whole game there's so much randomness that goes into it and that's why nobody who won deserved it and i

deserved it i mean you could go through the history of the show and have like a hundred like bounces of the ball that could have gone different. Oh, but literally, or you could just show up in an alumni event and like any of these 10 seconds of conversation and they'll tell you where the ball bounced for them. Yeah. Get Dr. Strange to host the next reunion. And I was talking about all the different multiverses where everybody else won. Yeah. So, yeah, it was a cruel twist of fate for annika but let me uh start with getting your perspective on the decision that had to be made about uh whether or not for gata to move forward with andy into the merge specifically for uh sierra and sam or to have uh stuck with rachel and annika yeah i mean i just don't i mean it seemed like sierra's rationale at least sort of as kind of stated i

think it was a tribal council but it might have been in a confessional that like andy was more would be more of like a target or like or would some take attention away. That to me does not seem like an act, an accurate rationale. Right. Like Andy is not someone now. Andy's going to the end game because everybody knows he's. I think Andy's going to be the last got to standing if I had to put a chip on that. And I feel like it's a little bit like I feel like that's more of like if I was on the beach on day nine or day 10, I don't think necessarily I would be thinking that, but in terms of like how much airtime Andy has gotten, I do feel like,

and I'm not, I'm no, I'm not you when it comes to reading the edit. I do feel like that Andy has a great case to be the last gotha standing. Yeah. I mean, I mean, but also even just from a purely apart from even like the edit, like just from a pure story or just from a pure, like, you know, us trying to interpret what happened back there perspective, you know, the fact that he has, you know, had that big blow up moment, the fact that when he went on the journey, he talked so extensively about how he was on the bottom and the fact that he's part of this, you know, triple medallion alliance where, which seems like they might, you know, might have some legs to it. I see Andy having a lot of longevity, um, now that he has gotten to the, you know, and especially with, um, Sierra, everyone repeatedly, you know,

mentioning this Sierra Sam connection. If I were Sierra, I would be looking for a way out of that. Right. And that way out is with the breadwinners where you can ditch Sam and then have another path forward, you know? And so I'm honestly, what do you think, what was the, what was the consensus take at the, at the live show? So I don't think that we discussed it uh at the length that i was uh planning on discussing it today but you know i think that people were uh you know very excited about what uh andy was able to do to reverse that was very fun i'm looking forward to talking about that that was fun i do want to just say like uh to note that you know people have been i've been seeing some hate sent sierra's way about how about how she didn't end up,

uh, sticking with the women and, and people like, uh, have been hard on her. And it's just like, um, what are we even doing?

So, uh, and I was looking at the, the, the, the Rome's tweets and he's getting like, I mean, I,

you know, flooded with hate and, and it's just like, what's the, it's, yeah, it's just outrageous. Like stop harassing people of any, you know flooded with hate and and it's just like what's the it's yeah it's just outrageous like stop harassing people of any you know of any of any for any reason yeah so

that being said um i do feel like that for um sam and for sierra that and i understand the position of okay well maybe like if you're not going to the merge, okay, that the women have a thing. Sam is feeling like, okay, I could be next person out. But I do feel like that heading into the merge and sort of like, you know, in a world where we saw like what the Reba four was able to do. I do feel like a Gata four without Andy might be the strongest group. And I know that, you know, Sam and Annika seem to have like been butting heads, but I don't think that they had like irreconcilable differences like we've seen across some of the other tribes. And that united Gata 4 like might have been formidable coming into the merge.

that United got to four, like might've been formidable coming into the merge. Yeah. And I agree. Like, you know, blindsiding Rachel, like moments before, I mean, when we know this before merge, but they have to suspect it's right before emerge. And certainly, you know, they have to think this might be the last tribal council we see it before emerge. So blindsiding someone and leaving them on the outs of a vote and just like opening them up to, you know, looking for other options at emerge is not the smartest choice. And I really, I think it was the wrong choice. Like I, if it was me and I get like, you know, so, so much of is politics that we don't see in like subtle interactions. Get John Lovett back.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, truly, like I do think like I I see the rationale if you're Sam of wanting to have two people who are really close to you rather than be on the outside of this three where maybe you're more disposable to them. But, you know, and it seems like for him, like to be the link, like if I were Sam, that's what I would be pushing, honestly, like because I would rather go in with like a tight three. And this is but I think for Sierra, it's not as clear to me. You know, I think it makes more sense for Sierra probably to try to stick with one. Now, of course, like Sierra also has to factor in her relationship with Sam. And if Sam is pushing really hard for something, she can't piss him off. Well, I'll say in fairness to sierra like i kind of feel like that from her perspective i kind of see it a little bit more uh in that that she feels

like okay that um sam is her number one and she probably feels like she is clearly number three out of the um annika and rachel alliance and so i think she feels like okay well i'm gonna if this is what my number one wants to do at least andy is three i'm better positioned here uh the only thing is that if people are looking them as a target you know does she become collateral damage at some point if somebody tries to break up sam and sierra right although i guess like you know maybe sierra's thinking if they're going to try to break us up, they're going to go for him first. So then, then she gets, um, you know, because potentially, but what if he's, what if he's safe in the mercenary? Right. Right. Well, that's, that's right. That's right. I mean, so, I mean, maybe there is a

rationale and doing, I mean, again, like losing the loyalty of Rachel, I think is, is pretty dangerous, but I mean, you look at who made the finals of the reba four and it was the two who you know had the most romantic tension so if i'm you know maybe there's uh some some rationale there for for uh sam and sierra right i'd love to sort of just like get your perspective moving forward of okay we're going to have the mergatory and now uh it's been a very interesting pre-merge and then we have all these different people that went to the survivor social hour which by the way did you like the survivor social hour it was cute i mean i was excited for a swap you know i thought a swap was like i think everybody who saw the preview you know and saw

that the challenge was going to have two courses it was sort of more excited for how a swap would would pan out i think that's the real problem like if it had just happened and I'd be like, oh, that's cool. Like, you know, like a little mix it up. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. They teased us with something cooler. Yeah.

Something that we wanted more. It was something that happened on my screen. I didn't object to it. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that had we come into this week and not had the preview of like teasing that there was going to be potentially a swap

and then to have it be this, I think people would be very excited. Yeah. I's exciting what's exciting about it it was something different sort of different but it's like okay like we're getting a bunch of people from the tribes they're having lunch yeah nothing really came out of it in this particular episode um other than you know maybe sam getting more reinforced that there was the story of sam and sierra being out there and maybe annika caught more of the blame about that because of that. But it didn't really impact this week's episode too much per se. But they're teasing a woman's alliance, right?

With like that conversation with like Teenie and Caroline and who else was there? Was Rachel part of that? Or I mean, Rachel was obviously in the mix there. Yeah. And so I do think it's interesting to think about, like, what is the like majority voting bloc that ends up forming when we get to the emergatory? That do you think that there is one specific tribe that is going to be able to pull people in to two tribes band together? Or do we see some other cross tribal group form? Is it crazy that I feel like Red has got like the the real the real winter

vibe tribe i mean is that wrong i just well i don't think it's crazy but i would disagree okay because i feel like who's getting like the winter vibes you know like who's who who's who's you know i think teeny has got to be up there right he's got to be up there and i think that teeny ends up being one of the king makers that ends up like, so I, and I kind of feel like that. I'm wondering if like, maybe is it teeny and Andy swing over to blue. That's interesting.

I mean, blue definitely seems like they are the cohesive unit and certainly like out of the gate, I thought like, okay, like this is the complex tribe. Like, but I also see a world where Gabe is the merge slash mergatory boot, you know,

where he's got that sort of like big player. You know, maybe Sam, too. Who do you think is the merge slash mergatory boot? I'm wondering if it could be Tiana. Oh, that's interesting. Tiana actually would make a lot of sense. That's a pretty good read. Yeah, I do kind of think Blue goes deep.

I mean, Sue is in the finals. Like, Sue reads to me as like losing finalists like all an edit read an edit read yeah like a ton of content like a lot presented from her perspective like a disproportionate amount in the pre-merge in the same way that ben had a lot about him and his like life story in the pre-merge my guess is that coming yeah ben katzman um you know my bet my bet is that he there's her that she like um her story kind of like takes a little bit more of a back seat in the merge which is basically what happened to ben um and that she is a losing finalist yeah i mean that would be interesting but as far as like for how many people, you know, if Tiana ends up going, I mean, there's only four.

I mean, would Andy and Teenie just completely flat out leave their tribe mates to go? And I see Teenie more so than Andy. Like Andy does have these pretty good connections here with Sam and Sierra now who vouched for him like it would seem i mean at least we have to watch how it plays out but i mean who is andy feeling best about to potentially you know flip away from his tribe but they've also got that amulet thing i mean i agree i think my guess is you know i agree with you but i also think eddie is a self-interested enough player where he could be you could see him as a free agent you know I mean, he has really read to me as someone who is putting in the work, right? Like he's like working to build an alliance in a somewhat, you know,

in a tactical way, but it's not like he's like BFFs with Sierra. You know, when he talks about those bonds, it's, I need to build this bond with Sierra in order to, you know, solidify my three with Sam and Sierra. Like, it's not like I'm, you know, suddenly best. I mean, there was that I love you moment, but still, I felt that felt tactical. Yeah. All right. Well, then talk to me about, you know, the good vibes that you were having with the red tribe, because I feel like that we reached a point where there was a lot of sort of everybody, you know, pointing at each other in terms of, uh, what they were going to do next and who said what. Well, there's this sort of like myth, a story, you know, in the edit, a legend, a story in

the edit community of, of, uh, you know, the complex tribe is the one that typically produces the winner where like, you see the most of that tribe's dynamics and they're often the ones, um, where, where, and i don't know if that's true anymore um or if you know but i mean i was just like thinking like who is actually you know who has like the story and i think like teeny you know probably is is one of the people who you would say could be that person um you know or gabe or or i mean honestly even sam or i mean yeah i mean who do you think who think? Who's got winner vibes? The, yeah. I don't know.

We just see so much of the different, and maybe Red falls apart and maybe that's the story, right? Like they all hate each other. They're all targeting each other. So like maybe that's what the story is actually leading to. Okay, so let's start with Genevieve because, you know, Genevieve had

that great episode last week and we saw that, you know, she is, you know, navigating very well among this group. I mean, what do you think that Genevieve is trying to do when she reaches the merge? Yeah, I mean, I think Genevieve probably is. I mean, there's a Genevieve-Tini thing happening, right? And maybe it's Genevieve-T teeny and Saul, you know, kind of like united against the chaos of Rome. I mean, Genevieve story until now has largely been about

like, I'm connected to Rome, but do I turn on him? Like, what's my relationship here? Like, at what point does the chaos become too much for me to manage? So at some point that has to, come to fruition either in Genevieve voting Rome out or in Rome voting Genevieve out. Or, you know, Genevieve getting dragged down by association with Rome. Yeah. Well, I feel like what if it's neither? I mean, I don't, Rome to me,

he strikes me as that he has been very loyal to the people that he has been loyal to. So unless he gets presented with evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt that Genevieve is somehow plotting against him. And I still think that she could spin her way out of that. For Genevieve to turn on Rome, I also don't see that at this particular. Like if it was going to happen, I think it would happen this week when they're at the tribal council.

Why would she get rid of one of her numbers at this point now? I really think that, you know, the biggest threat to red is not Rome is actually teeny. I see teeny turning on this group much more so than I'd be worried about. Where is Rome going? Yeah, I agree. I mean, look, and I think Saul is happily rid of this group, too. Right. I think Saul will desperately look for a home.

And I can imagine that teeny and saul both kind of like you're right the red loyalty is probably not a i think saul might be the most interesting person from a loyalty perspective and we've seen that he does not seem like the type of player who might be jumping ship and i do think that this is where you know um i was just on one of the other podcasts like would i go on a journey and you know i used to say no it's it's no good but you know you have these points if you're somebody like saul who's never been on a journey has never gotten to go on you know the survivor um social hour you're a little bit boxed in by uh not being someone of these players that has made any connections across tribal right but in some ways that can be i mean yes and no tribal. Right. But in some ways that can be, I mean, yes and no. Right.

Because also in some ways that can, that can benefit you, if you're not seen as having any outside, you know, but you're probably right that at the merge now it's like people who have some kind of bond or some kind of connection to someone with us. I mean, Saul's also hard because he doesn't have that person, right? Like that person for him was Asia. So he kind of like lost that other bond that he had and he it doesn't seem like he has like the hustle necessarily that teeny does right

like teeny it seems like someone who's going to go out and make things happen strategically and people are drawn to teeny people want to work people see teeny and they want they open up they want to work with teen i'm going to solve f to i know you are i know you are how jealous would you be if if uh i met saul wow that doesn't seem right did you meet saul over the at the at the event i may have run into uh saul's cousin did you were saul's cousin squads as massive as saul's cousin? You know what I mean? Saul's cousin was wearing pants, and so I didn't get a good look. I'm typically not spotting anybody's quads, calves.

It's hard to tell, especially in a crowded room. I'm an eyes-up-here kind of guy. That's nice. Look people in the eyes. That's thoughtful. That's respectful. But I think also for Saul, I think it hurts him that also, even if his number one is Genevieve, if the person he has the best relationship with is Genevieve, I mean, Genevieve hasn't been on any journeys or to the survivor social hour. So he's just a little isolated in terms of like where he could go.

And maybe he like really was a, is able to hit it off, um, you know, and if he's in the right group at Mergatory. able to hit it off, you know, and if he's in the right group at Mergatory. But I think that he's also in a tough spot of like he's been like and I think he should feel like he's not at the bottom bottom, like he's not in a position where, OK, flashing red lights, jump ship Saul. Like I think that there is like a story that he could tell himself of like, okay, that the right move is sticking with the numbers. It's not like that they merged immediately after they blindsided Asia. So I think he's going to be in a tough spot for figuring out how to navigate this. Do I stick with a red and it might be like sticking with them a little too

long and they might end up getting a hole in the boat. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and there's also just, um, you know, because he is so like ripped, um, I do think there's a world where Saul is an easy target because he doesn't really have anybody defending him. Right. There's nobody who's really like going to bat or like over when they overhear Saul's name in a conversation, steering it away

from, from that, you know, and I, he, because he doesn't have that, that, that port, you know, the, you know, he's, he's quite susceptible to storms. What, what, um, I mean, it was interesting that Genevieve like, was like, I don't want to work with Saul long-term. What was that about? Why do you think that? I think she had said, she had said that, uh, but she didn't want Saul to know that. Why doesn't she want to? I don't know. Maybe she's not feeling like Saul is buying everything that she's selling in the way that Rome was. Saul went back last week and was like, I've got this new relationship with Genevieve. I'm like into that. Like, that's my new alliance.

And then, you know, when Genevieve gets him and Rome to work together, it seemed like, you know, the birth of something new. And now this week we're like, Genevieve doesn't even want to work with Saul. What's that about? I think she said, I don't want to work with Saul. What's that about? I think she said, I don't want to work with him, but I think she's open to it. I think there's an option for her.

But even she had like, her confessional was like, we all know I don't want to work with Saul. It's like, as though it's a recurring repeat for her. I said it,

but I think that she's like, you know, Spradlin-esque in a couple different ways. I think she wants to keep some options open yeah she sort of looks like kim alo that's what i'm saying yeah that's one of the things yeah but for saul i really like the way he handled the situation with you know rome came to him and told

him about how you know um genevieve said she didn't want to work with you and that he said like hey well like what gives i thought we had a good thing going and like you. And that he said like, Hey, well, like what gives, I thought we had a good thing going. And like, I thought that he said it like in a very like disarming way where I thought he gained something out of that. Right. He definitely gained trust in his honesty. You know, it was interesting that that whole scene was such an interesting scene of telephone because I thought Rome at first was doing a very good job with telling, you know, telling all about Teeny's medallion and how like this has to be the new thing and we can't trust Teeny. I thought that was very smart of Rome. And, you know, his point about information is the only currency out here, you know, was really good.

And, you know, he's like concrete intel about this thing that Teeny didn't tell you. And then he just went a little too far when he said the thing about, oh, and Genevieve doesn't want to work with you because suddenly that is, first of all, nebulous, right? Because then Genevieve can say, what is Rome talking about? And then second of all, um, you know, kind of like prompts Saul to go fact check that with Genevieve. So I thought, I mean, Rome is such an interesting player because he does a lot of things that I think are really good. And a lot of things that I think are really good and a lot of things that I think are really not good. And that conversation was like a microcosm of that where he the impulse was really good, I thought, to like bring Saul in by, you know, revealing how teeny had left him out of the intel loop. And then that piece of info almost got lost in the question of, you know, Genevieve and whether she likes all or not.

Well, when you say that Rome is doing a lot of things that are good and then a lot of things that are not as good, I mean, I feel like that that is a little bit of like the recipe for like a Caggion Tony. And so, I mean, if Genevieve is a effective enough of a cleaner to be able to like follow after Rome and clean up like Trish was able to do for Tony, like that could work very well for Rome. Like, uh, I used to say about Tony, like Tony would spend like, uh, you know, half his, like his entire day making a bunch of mistakes and then figure out at nighttime, like how to fix all the mistakes that he made during the day and then go out and then make a whole bunch of new mistakes the next day. And then just like he, you know, was doing all of the things and it ultimately ended up being an effective strategy for him.

I just don't know if, you know, Rome can be so lucky. And if Genevieve ends up being more self-interested than Trish was, that it's not going to work. And Tony, a very contentious player in the early weeks of Kagan. I remember at the time people did not like Tony at all. You know, so there was a lot was a lot of hatred directed at Tony. Yes. And if you want to know a little bit more about what that was like in that time, 10 years ago, Stephen, we have a brand new, a first, an RHAP documentary we made called I Stand Kageyan. Stephen Fishback even contributed interviews to I Stand Kageyan. And we're very

excited to announce that this coming October 28th, we'll have the world premiere screening of I Stand Kageyan, about 10 years on Survivor, the magic of Survivor Kageyan, its impact and much more. That's going to be, go to robinswebsite.com slash Kagi on screening. If you want to join us in Philadelphia for everybody else, we'll have the world premiere on YouTube on the 29th. Are you going to be there in Philadelphia? I will. I'm flying up to, you know,

hobnobbing with the glitterati. Yup. I'll be there October 28th in person. Come on out and say, hi, we're going to have a screw. We rented a, like a,

like a movie theater we're gonna have screening we're gonna do some q a it's gonna be a lot of fun yeah um it's a really even honestly i had so much fun even participating in it i mean like uh i know you haven't seen it wait till you see how it turned out yeah did you bury me did you make me look stupid is that what this is like only in one part really it? It's like... Really? Not that much. Really? You're fine.

You're fine. I was going to go on about me. This is not... I wasn't even on that season. Yeah. Okay. So it's a new year. You know what that means.

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You know, Josh and I, and it's also the 10-year anniversary of Survivor San Juan del Sur. And we talked about the negotiations that came up in that season where Jeff was like very much like, hey, you're coming into my reward challenge. You're trying to negotiate with me. My life, my life is fine. Like, what do you, I don't need these chickens. Go home, take them home maybe his life's not fine anymore should we worry yeah i think he's just uh was so eager to like uh help give them a lifeline yeah and he also you know he knows it's fun it's fun it's fun tv um and that was very fun with like it was a very fun moment and he gave them a lot 18 eggs is a lot

of eggs that is like more than you're going to get from those three chickens. It's definitely more eggs than you're going to get from the chickens. Now, I'm trying to remember. I meant to go back and watch this before we did the podcast. Does Rachel, like I'm seeing in my mind, Rachel is like is carrying the eggs out of the challenge, right? I don't remember. Is that right? Does Jeff just have like a stockpile of eggs at every

challenge? Just in case somebody wants to barter for eggs. They must have had a heads up that this was coming. I guess they tipped him off. You can't keep eggs outside for days on end. So Marianne and Shannon,

and this is a great segue to be able to talk about it, they had a great conversation about this. Marianne is super knowledgeable about both killing chickens and then also how to store eggs. And so that if this is, I guess, more of a U.S. situation

of that our eggs are a certain way they need to be refrigerated, but around the world, you can keep the eggs at room temperature and they're fine. Oh, great. Okay, but that's not, I mean, is that room temperature? Like in the jungle? I feel like that keep the eggs at room temperature and they're fine oh great okay but that's not i mean is that room temperature like in the jungle i feel like that's like a not

yeah i think it's it's probably not ideal the chat is saying that they gave that they had the eggs back at the camp yeah okay yeah yeah they definitely had eggs back at the camp but um okay well um what so so ultimately how do we leave the Red Tribe? Oh, are we back on? We're done with that. We're on the chickens. We've moved on. Yeah, I'm moving on to the chickens. Is there anything else you have to say about the Red Tribe? No, no, no. It was a fun moment. Yeah. Do you think we will ever see the chickens?

Like, I know that the Gata Tribe did not kill the chickens. Did they kill the chicken reward? It's the first time we saw it in the new era was when the gata tribe wins these three chickens and then you know it's interesting that this happened the the season was filmed the sia award ends that do you think is there any connection between these two things without sia's protection like they're they're uh trying to say they're okay sacrificing the chickens is that what that what they were saying i don't know it just seems like uh i know sia did not like having the chickens onto the show but it seems like now the

players don't even want to kill the chickens yeah um it's it is always an interesting moral choice right and it does seem like maybe that will although now that they didn't know that the seal reward was no more and maybe now that they're aware of that they're gonna you know they'll be more likely to kill the chicken yeah i mean i don't know if anybody was motivated by um i i don't want to kill the chickens because of see but maybe it's that there is like i i do think that the players could be a little conscious of oh i don't want to be seen as the person who's killing the chickens and like unless you have like a jt or a james on your tribe somebody who's like hey give me that chicken let me let me swing it

around by its neck i'll show you how to do it um right like i could see like uh you know like i probably would not want to be the guy to kill the chicken i would eat the chicken. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay to what? I mean, I hear you. Okay.

Yeah. I'm agreeing. Okay. With which part are you agreeing? That you probably would not want to be the guy to kill the chicken and that you would eat the chicken. Yeah. You're a parasite.

Just like on this podcast. Yeah. I mean, that's a little uncalled for. a parasite just like on this podcast yeah i mean that's a little uncalled for um but we'll see i do you think that they will do the chicken reward again after this um i bet they will i mean it's a good question i it's i think it's a really interesting observation um that you that maybe they will see this as sort of like okay we don't necessarily need to go down that i'm surprised they brought it back at all truly like i do feel like once you've removed it bringing it back is like more of a strange moral statement we talked a little bit about about this last week like more

of a strange moral statement than having it gone forever but um i i could see them removing it and i could also see them being like okay that was that was good tv and it's like an interesting discussion it's always interesting conflict for the survivors. Like from the first time they ever got the chickens, uh, all the way through, it's a constant for the show. So I, I hope that they keep bringing out the chickens.

Yeah. Yeah. I do too. Uh, I don't know. I actually feel like I'm, I would be fine. I don't,

I don't need it. You know, I don't need like the, like, let those chickens have a, give those chickens a break. You know? Yeah.

I'm not sure necessarily, Steven, that these chickens are going to go off and have a happy, like, what's happening with these three chickens? Are these, are they like just going back to like a base camp? You know,

are they going to like, I think that they're going to have the same fate. Like people get upset about like killing the chickens on survivor. It's like, okay. The chickens may have not gotten killed on the show, but I'm not sure necessarily like that. They're they've had a happy ending after all.

It used to be like a coda, like at the end of movies, you know, they're like in this. And then and the chickens were happy and you see them like running free and then it fades to like black and white. And then kind of, you know, into the into a hazy mist. Yeah. So, yeah. And as Marianne and Shannon pointed out, they have these eggs. They're not able to cook them. And guess what? The eggs are all coming to Mergatory next week.

They'll end up getting... You said that to share them with everybody. That's such a good point. You were saying that from the get-go. Eat it now. Eat the chickens now. This is the maximum benefit for you. If you have food on Survivor, eat it. Is that what you guys do with the Coke? Were you just like binging Cokes?

No, Roger, RIP, was like, no, we're going to do one Coke a day. That's it. That was the greatest reward ever. That was like, that made me want to go on Survivor. The fact that I could have a Coke fridge in the jungle. It was pretty good. He wouldn't even let us put our water in the refrigerator. He's pretty good. He's pretty good. But he wouldn't even let us put our water in the refrigerator.

Why? I don't know. So strange. And I was at the bottom of the tribe. I didn't ask a lot of questions. It's the same rules of my house now. Like I'm on the bottom. Like I'm not allowed to ask that many questions.

Can you refrigerate water at your house now? I might get a question like, why is this in the refrigerator? I was going to use it. Yeah. The cycle continues. It's like first Roger, then you seek out that relationship. Is that what happened?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tell me about Tiana and what you think about what she tried to do this week. That was interesting because it just showed a lack of awareness of Sue, right? Like throwing Gabe so violently under the bus as she did. You know, I think doing that without kind of like getting the blessing

of the other people on her tribe was a little bit aggressive. I think there's like a tacit rule when you go to these kind of cross tribal things that like, hey, we're all in this together. And you're kind of like just giving out a little intel. Honestly, when – at my Survivor Merge and Token Chains, again, this is about me. When Sierra was like blabbing about what was going on at the Timber Camp and asking us to like reveal our secrets, I was like this is too much.

This is too much intimacy. I need to keep my boundaries. You know, I need to, you know, I need to keep my boundaries, you know. But I do think that would be worrisome to me, even as a person on a different tribe, that she's throwing someone from her own group under the bus so aggressively in such a public place. Like, to me, that doesn't scream great ally moving forward. Yeah, I just think that in these other seasons, we've seen like this sort of a setup setup happen like at Mergatory, like with Gabler. And for her, it's like, Oh, okay. This is when you're supposed to like talk about like who from your tribe would you get rid of? And it's like, not yet. Right. There's no note there. Right. There's like at the Mergatory, there's like,

you know, you actually can make it happen, but here it's here, she's throwing out a name and then it's going to get back to, it does get back and there's no, you know, critical momentum. You know, and she was surrounded by people from her own group who, you know, didn't have the same opinion that she did. Yeah. And the problem for Tiana is that she thinks that she was in like this women's Alliance that voted out TK and that Gabe just happened to jump on.

And maybe she feels like, okay, I'm actually, I'm saving Kyle here by like throwing Gabe more under the bus. But then it ends up coming out as something that is going to be reported back to Gabe. And now Gabe has a vendetta against Tiana. I'm wondering if she could be the sacrificial chicken coming into the merge. Yeah, I mean, that's not a bad I think that's a good read that she could be the mergatory boot because you know the the blue is not gonna not gonna muster for her and so she loses like you know you've got to have your people behind the scenes kind of saying like don't don't go for her um you know and you look at who's who's viable right i mean tiana's one of them i mean you could see rachel being one of them just to like you know that's that's um yeah obviously almost anybody on red you know certainly rome you

could see saul to a lesser degree um being being in that in that spot yeah i want to know from you what is the right way to play this mergatory situation when we come in like do you want to come in with a name from your own group? That's like, Hey, this is the person we're cool to lose. We're willing to lose this person from our side. Or do you think it's better to really stick to your guns and say like, okay, well, like we're all tight. We want to lose somebody from your group. Yeah. I mean, we've seen that really backfire, right? I mean, first of all

gabler's game-winning move was was the ellie thing right it was like that kind of like gave him the the notch on his on his belt that he needed to to justify all the rest of his gameplay um the the uh and we've seen the opposite thing blow up for people when they when they're too defensive right last last season we saw that when when um you um, when Q got so concerned about the, uh, what was that truck? I forget what, what color it was, but it was the green truck. It was the green truck that, uh, Tim didn't want to throw out Mariah's name. Yeah. And then that kind of like blew up for them because suddenly they were, they were not seen as like willing to do to do business. So I do think you probably need to. But it's so circumstantial. Right.

It's just like so so much depends on how everybody else is acting. You kind of feel that. Thank you. 26 days in the chat. You know, the interesting thing with Gabler was that it was not like Gabler was not the person like running the tribe. was that it was not like Gabler was not the person like running the tribe. And he was willing to say like, hey, I am willing to write down this person's name from my tribe. It wasn't even necessarily like a situation where the people at the top are willing to throw out the name of the person that's on the bottom. I think that that's what's interesting about what Gabler did of like, hey, here's like a powerful player in our tribe. I'm willing to go with you and, you know, give you the intel on that person. I wonder if it's more of like, if you are at the bottom, does it behoove you more to throw out the person? Like had Tiana done what she did

at actual emergitory next week? Like, would it be a great move? Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know know for her to have done that that could have motivated right and the other thing too is like you're safe in that situation you are immune from that vote so you you can sort of ride the blowback a little bit you know if you make a play but you're not at risk you know there's going to be somebody else viable next week right whereas this in this in this situation you know there she goes back and it just like creates hostility like even with the re before like i i think that they were willing to throw out j maya's name and i think then um it was like okay that was the person they were willing to

get rid of and then caleb became like the juicier target. And that ended up like, and it was almost like that maybe, oh, J. Maya is not as exciting of a target because they're willing to get rid of her. And it was only- Yeah, throw out someone's name who they're not going to go for. That's interesting. And I kind of feel like that maybe that was the case

with Venus also, where maybe Venus's name was being floated around by her tribe, but because they were sort of like, okay, we're willing to lose that person. It was like, no, but SIGA is not willing to lose Mariah. So we're more, we're more inclined to want to take away the piece. They are not willing to lose. Totally. That's a great, that's a really great call. Yeah. So throw out, you know, someone who's not that interesting as like, yeah, we're all go for that.

Yeah. Like, okay, well, we don't want that person. It's like, uh, you know, free stuff on Facebook. You're like, eh, who don't want that person. It's like, you know, free stuff on Facebook. Like, eh. Who should they have said? Who should, like, what's the ideal? Who's that person from each of the tribe? Well, hmm. Maybe Kyle?

Could he be that person for a blog? Gabe wants to keep Kyle. I feel like maybe, like, Sue, only because of the perception, right, that there is sometimes around older women that they're not. Well, so you're saying that there's going to throw out a name with the intention of keeping them, of trying to like basically float. You're like giving your kind of like, oh, yeah, we'd happily lose, you know, this person. And then that the person's just not appealing. It's not an appealing target.

But it has to be a person then. Yeah, Sue might be good to actually try this with because then sue is not actually flipping you do this against teeny and then it's like hey teeny just so you know everybody said they'd be willing to cut you what yeah andy could be a good one for for yellow you know yeah it'll definitely backfire on yellow but they should do that yeah um let's talk about andy because it was so fun seeing his play this week where he you know knew that he was the you know he felt safe but he also wanted to make sure that um rachel and annika were not aware that he felt safe and he had this other thing going on so instead of

like playing dead which is what a lot of people do in this situation, right? They'll be like, they'll mope around. Like instead he like scrambles, but in a way that's like not chaotic, just like, hey, involving your plans, like please. And then, you know, when they do involve him in like a fake plan, he like plays along with it like beautifully, you know, such a great way. I mean, like I'm sure we've seen it before, but I don't know if we've seen it before exactly like this, where you see someone, and again, like, when you see people who know that they are the decoy target, you see them, like, playing dead a lot, but, like, you know, or, but, like, I don't know if we've seen them, like, fake scramble. And I'm trying to think of, like, other times when this has happened.

I mean, the danger of the fake scramble, obviously, is that your allies think it's a real scramble, right? Is that, like, Sam and Sierra are like, oh, my gosh, look at Andyy i'm sure he was looping in sam and sierra on everything that he's doing and i think that the fact that they that sam was the name he was given i think only helped solidify his position i i think that the shot in the dark ends up being the thing that allows him to do this not necessarily if there was no shot in the dark i do think that that potentially uh this might have still happened the exact same way but andy was able to be really smart and intentional about the the existence of the shot in the dark of like they have to give me a fake name they can't just tell me it's me

because they don't want me to play their shot in the dark to me and you look j maya might feel differently like i'm so not afraid of the shot in the dark yeah like if it happens if it happens it happens so be it you want to play the shot in the dark crazy if you are out there though and like this is your you know you're suffering this is your one shot to play survivor or in this case your third shot to play survivor um you are not going to i would be like why not make the fake plan why not protect against the shot in the dark there's no reason not to do that like you every reason to protect and like i think the reason why i'm not making the fake plan with him is because

i've seen this guy have the a little bit unstable and i'm like boy you know who's really not gonna like this if say if he goes and tell Sam that we're saying his name, like, I think that there is more of a one in six chance that he's going to go do that than to actually play the shot in the dark. Yeah. I think that was Drew's perspective too. Right. Like he was like very anti fake plan. He just wanted like the, the neat, the neat vote because he thought that the variance of the fake plan was, you know, more risky than that's how they get you with the shot in the dark yeah well right and then you know then then the actual

just like sticking with with the real plan and counting on the odds working out i don't know if it was me i would not it's a tough one because it's again it's like so situational like do i think that me creating this fake plan is going to have people disrupted and have more real blowback or do i think that like i want to protect i, I mean, it's a, it's a moment by moment calculation while you're out there. The fact of the matter is everything is risky. I wish that there was only a one in six chance of a bad thing happening to me in any given situation. So the chances that this is going to end up backfiring, I think are more than one in six. So I'd rather say like, Hey, like a good luck tonight,

play the shot in the dark. And then he's probably like, Oh wait, hold on. They're telling me to play the shot in the dark. They must, they must not want me to play the shot in the dark. So now you, you've reduced the odds of even hitting that he may not even play it right right right they want that's that's very smart that's very clever um so what do we think is have we seen people scramble like andy before like what do we think was it was this like good good gameplay like where's the uh you know the takeaway have you seen this before as far as what andy was able to do i don't think that there's a situation that really uh comes to mind i'm sure if we go through the annals of the survivor history books i'm sure we could find something but i thought that andy did very well his confessionals were great i thought it

was a very fun sequence my question for you steven is did this earn andy a fishy i don't know and i've really been wrestling with this decision rob because, because, you know, I really don't want to have two fishies. I've heard that's like unforgivable. So, um, Did you get bullied on social media for giving two fishies? No, just by you. Some people like talk to me in private at, in New York. Like what is Steven doing?

Two fishies. Oh yeah. Yeah. People were talking to me in private. They were breaking into my home and being like, Rob is wrong. They say devalue the fishy further? They're like,

Rome deserved it. Thank gosh someone is praising the good parts of Rome. That's fine, but only I don't have an issue. If you want to give your one fishy to Rome But obviously Genevieve deserved a fishy. Yeah. I'll even say if you want to give rome an honorary fishy oh wow an honor i didn't even know there was

a whole there's a whole new category you're just like you know expanding the whole you know get the genre in order to cover your cowardice um what's my cowardice of not giving out two fishy awards? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fishy stock has tanked. So it's not undercat 78. It's inflation. It's inflation. The, okay, so let's, so the possibilities right here are, I do think there's a world where it's Andy.

I think like it probably should be Sam or sierra more because they really were the ones driving that vote more exactly um do you think if if who was i kind of think sam sam's decision was better i think slightly than sierra's decision in that spot because i think like for sam to preserve his two best allies and bring them closer to himself. Yeah. I mean, Sam got his way. Yeah. It does kind of make Rachel an outsider, but I think there's a world where they can bring her back. And I don't think it's that bad of Sam, right? Like, I do think it's like that the sense of fracturing the tribe is dangerous. I don't think Andy is going to be an early boot at the merge. No, I don't think I think Andy is fine.

I'm more targeted Anika. Right. You could have been like, oh, she's she's a ringleader. She's a puzzle master. You know, she's she's a strategist. Like I think Anika would have been a better target to keep her. I think Sam gets the fishy. What do you think?

How do you feel about that? Sam gets the fishy. What do you think? How do you feel about that? I think I would give it to Andy and I think it would be almost like a bit of a lifetime achievement award of like... Andy got a fishy already. Which week did he get the fishy? The first week? The second week.

I've given the fishies to Andy and Rome and I think Asia got the first fishy. And it's just like, we gotta... I think it gotta like i think really it was teeny okay that's what i thought definitely someone on that tribe uh yeah okay so but but i'm gonna say that for sam i like he he got his way and it it worked out and so uh he he ends you know, winning out the war against Anika, but I think it, um,

that there was tension, but I don't think that Anika was targeting for, uh, targeting Sam, you know, maybe in the final four, Sam was sort of like, uh,

on the outs, but also, you know, that maybe he's going to be able to make fire. If that's the case, if gotta gets to the final four, I just think that the, the chances of andy

flipping on that group are higher than annika flipping on that group right that's true that's true but if you are sam and you feel like you have this like i would want my my look and that's i would want and that's how i did play it right i would want the people who were most loyal to me to be going in the the women on the yellow tribe had an alliance that had a name that did not the sand didn't wasn't even that's fair yeah that would spook me and so i think i'm gonna give it to sam i think this was the right play for sam i did like andy's strategy but like it might be just a little much to give andy two fishies before like you know the the people who are actually making the decisions on that tribe like get any okay Okay. I mean, I don't think that this was bad for Sam. I think I would just be worried about

how Andy is more of a flight risk and can be a little bit more unpredictable than Annika ultimately ends up being. And look, maybe if you're Sam, there's also a potentially valid concern of, hey, there's a women's Alliance on my tribe. I don't know if Rachel, if he's necessarily watching Rachel while he's playing cornhole,

Rachel or, or overhearing anything. Rachel is talking to Caroline and talking with teeny and wondering, is there maybe like a women's alliance, like at large on the horizon, that could be a potential thought for Sam as well. And I don't even want to say it is like, uh,

absolutely like a non-starter because I think that there is a scenario in this season that ends up being like the women end up coming into power and have a very strong women's alliance in this season so i think that that could certainly be on sam's mind uh i just wonder about uh andy doing his own thing and then also um was it a good move for sam to not play his one use idol on andy well so that i think that's an interesting one where I do think that that is probably a good move, right?

I think that that, and that, you know, 26 day survivor, uh, or 26 days, you know, uh,

mentioned also Sam's choice to not play the idol. Um, I think that's smart because if he plays the idol on Andy, after all of the angst Andy had about it, I think that would be alienated. I mean, again, like playing it on him obviously is a show of,

of support, but it's still like a secret. It's just like, it creates too much. Um, it like muddies the waters too much, you know, of,

of that, of that relationship where, where, you know, I think he wants to keep the sense of trust and bond. And now he's got something he can bluff with later in the game. You know, that is,

so I thought that was, yeah, I think if I had to give it to anyone on that, I i think i think it should be sam okay i'm good with all right all right uh sam it is okay let's uh take some questions okay and uh let's see what we have how about um phil says do you think that they're slowly building up Caroline for a sneaky win? She keeps getting more and more screen time. Um, I, uh, think that I would be surprised. I think Caroline is kind of turning into a player, but you know, I do think after the,

the Gabler situation, they have tried to sort of give us a little more of the winners earlier. And again, like I have been very wrong in the new era about winners edits but it did seem that after gabler they really wanted to establish and how surprised people were and caroline i think is one of the players who we've seen the least of on that in the whole in the whole game and when we saw that alliance building between you know gabe and sue and caroline it was almost all from sue and gabe's perspective so i i would surprised if Caroline won. I do see her, you know, being a very smart, savvy player who has a meaningful impact. And as we saw with Genevieve a couple of weeks ago, that these edits can change drastically of, okay, it was like only two episodes or three episodes that, you know, we didn't see a lot from Genevieve and then we saw a lot from Genevieve. So, you know,

sometimes people, they really break out in the post-merge or as their story starts to build. So, you know, let's like, like get a little bit further. I think Liz is somebody that we probably would have said five episodes in last season. Like, and not that she won, but like, oh, who is Liz? Is she even on the show? Well, she was very little on the show until the mid-merge, you know? And she was really like, until the early, I guess like a couple episodes into the merge, she kind of like spiked when there was that whole thing with Tevin.

Yeah, I mean, and yeah, and she didn't win. I mean, that's exactly it. You know, people get a concentrated story arc that's like closer to like A, when they're most, you know, affecting the story, but also closer to their boot so that we know who they are like before they go okay all right then lavender says uh do you think that andy got a lot of credit for what uh typical uh decoy votes already do okay are we giving too much credit to andy right where he's like yeah i mean that's possible because we saw like a whole montage of him you know doing this thing and then it kind of working out um dude decoy boots like what was

interesting is like i do think like the desperation he kind of the fake desperation he managed to show where it was you know i do think decoy boots will continue to strategize but like the way he um was able to act as though he was desperate for their you know um engagement without like without it being like too much you know i thought it was he struck he struck a good balance i thought it was really well done i think that the best thing that he ended up doing was his confessionals i think he like perfectly narrated what he's like here's what i'm gonna do here's and jeff talked about this a lot on the on fire podcast, uh, this week of like being able to sort of like, here's what the plan is. Then you saw him talk to Anika and Rachel, and then you saw them like high five each other after he left. And he's telling us he's what he's going to do, how it's

going to go. It goes perfectly. So it makes it really feel like that this is even like more impressive than what it actually might've been. And there was some of that with Gabe too, right? Where he's talking about his conversation with Tiana. That was very funny. I mean, that was less him narrating. I mean, the part of that was him narrating it, but like it was him kind of describing, oh yeah. And then I was saying this and that and this, and then they cut back to him saying the exact things but that was very fun too okay all right how about um question from ll cool dubs is coming in with an assuming nickname like teeny a good strategy compare that against somebody named rome i wonder if it matters more than we think when sizing up uh players so i guess guess Rome is a name that sounds,

I mean, his name is Jerome. So is that a nickname? Is that a short name? What is Teenie's name? I'm not sure Teenie's full name. I don't think it's a nickname for Survivor. Yeah. It's funny.

Like I went on Token Chains, on token chains you know prior to survivor everybody called me fish um and i didn't want to be called fish on survivor because you would have thought there was some expectation to go fishing i'd be able to fish and then also a fish in poker is like the weak player and i didn't want like suddenly like my nickname to be like i'm in jail right is that right i think so yeah i was only thinking, you know, being the weak player in poker and then like the fish and like, if you do badly and then like, oh my gosh. And then, yeah. But like the expectation that I could fish, although I guess as soon as they saw, saw me, maybe that would have been, you know, shattered. But like, so I went with Steven, which I regretted for a long time

because it's fun to have, you know, a nickname when you come off the show, you know? Yeah. Like you, you're like a Boston rub. That's right. That's right. have you know a nickname when you come off the show you know yeah like you you're like uh boston rub that's right that's right i mean should you have been the first cochran i'm saying to come into like please jeff call me fishback i don't even think it was that like meta before i mean i think that like that became more of a thing after after i was on yeah um yeah the um yeah so it's it's funny like do you want like an unimpressed like a nickname that minimizes you what would be like the perfect nickname to minimize someone and teeny is good like you know little brain yeah but then like you get to the final tribal this is the problem you want it to be something you can't be like over the top because then you have a problem we're like yeah he's a little brain yeah dummy yeah the rob that sucks is pretty good okay that's i mean that's

yeah sucky rob because i think the rob that sucks is too many words yeah but i'll i mean sucky rob is fine yeah sucky rob okay yeah all right ste All right. Steven, Daniel wants to know, would you like to share a rotisserie chicken with no utensils or get one hot dog with no condiments? Oh, gosh. I mean, this isn't a real question, right? It's the chicken you're saying.

Yeah. I don't want to share, though. Like, you know, you share, and like other people, everyone's taking like a little bit more. But on Survivor, you wouldn't share a chicken. You'd rather have your own hot dog. I would share, but this is would you rather.

It's like this is like a choice. Yeah, yeah. Like, if the absolute quantity of meat was the same, I would probably go for the hot dog. I mean, just because I don't want to have to share. I don't even think there's meat in a hot dog. Well, whatever. You know, meat-like substance.

Yeah. Did it bother you they didn't give them condiments for the hot dog? It seemed that nice. Give them some ketchup. I think that they're probably, Yeah. Did it bother you they didn't give them condiments for the hot dog? That seemed unnecessary. Give them some ketchup. I think that they're probably, and I know they put a lot of thought into everything. I think that the issue would have been these like famished survivor players.

I think we'd see them like eating the bowl of ketchup. Oh, for sure. Eating the bowl of mustard. And it might just be gross gross and also yeah i don't know i don't know if they could have like had some way to control it but that would be good tv that would be great i guess so they don't have to air it if it's gross you know you're welcome to like cut away yeah what'd you think of cornhole that was fun it was nice that they had a game are you a cornhole guy oh no i'm not

very good but you know cornhole is something you see like every like a lot of like kids parks i'm getting better because you know it's something that you know whenever i go to some sort of activity event there's always a cornhole yeah should you throw the cornhole game of if you're playing of like uh that hey i don't want people to think I'm good at challenges. So, oh, I suck at throwing the beanbag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to be too good.

I mean, if you were like pacing everyone, people might be like, oh. Yeah. Oh, this guy's a real Reynolds Topher. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thundercats has a question. Sam raised his hand to take credit for Annika's elimination.

That was interesting. Whose move was this? And then Sam's like. Yeah. That's going to be like, thisika's elimination. That was interesting. Whose move was this? And then Sam's like, that's going to be like, this is our, that was bad. That was a weak moment of the episode for him because he should be like, we're strong. Well, Andy said it was all three of us. Was that better for Andy's resume cred or should he have left Sam to take all the credit and blame?

I thought it was good for Andy. You know, my gosh. I mean, it's really for the audience of Rachel, not even for Annika. Right. right so like does that alienate you know for sam does that alienate rachel from him further maybe um but andy already is like perceived as being on the bottom and so maybe for rachel this makes him look like more of a viable strategic partner after you know her initial rejection of him in the night it was interesting, especially pre-jury, to have that question.

It doesn't matter what Annika thinks. Yeah, it doesn't matter what Annika thinks. But you're thinking what the audience at home thinks. You're thinking about, when a question like that is asked, of course your head is going to, this is going to be on TV. That's my move.

Give me the fishy. I want the fishy for this. Yeah, right. And Steven's like, bet. Here you go. Yeah. Oh, that's my move. Give me the fishy. I want the fishy for this. And Steven's like, bet. Here you go. So, yeah. Is that what the kids are saying? Is that a slang that I'm not aware of? Yeah. You're lucky you live with a Gen Z-er.

You're only a couple years away from knowing everything. You get the fishy. Yeah. Your game was Skibbity ohio toilet but for rachel yeah i just that's that's the biggest question i think coming out of this episode is how does she react to this yeah i think if i'm rachel i'm like great move guys thank god annika's gone you know i mean You've got to form those bonds. And then of course it makes you a little bit more suspicious.

Because I feel like that, um, we saw Rachel establishing rapport with Caroline and teeny. And I thought like, Oh my God, what happened? Yeah. And it's like,

especially when the narrative is like Sam and Sierra are running everything. And then when Rachel's like, Oh, Oh, I got left out of the vote. I was like, wow, I guess Sam and Sierra are running everything. Yeah.

Again, like that's part of also why I think that it's good for Sam to have taken. Cause like if there's this story about Sam and Sierra running everything, but the real power is in the breadwinners. Like, and Sam is a very, is very disposable for them right versus now like sam is essential to his allies in a way where sierra is like really bonded to him now okay all right um let's see all right this is so this is uh ellis is the fishy count was um

uh week one was teenyie. Two was... I can't be held responsible for Marianne's choices. Okay, week three was Andy. Andy got a fishy. That was fine. And then four was Genevieve and Rome. The official fishy count for Survivor 47.

I can't. I didn't deputize her. No, I don't think that Marianne Marianne's fishy is not canon so you gave the fishy to Sue that has to be her catch of the day yes yes okay all right Michael Goldberg has a question how does Stephen

feel about the Survivor Social Hour reward how would you guys improve it it was just kind of dumb yeah I know there's like so can i tell you what what shannon uh suggested which i thought was actually very good i want to like uh amplify shannon's message uh shannon said that the reward should have been more meaningful and she suggested that the reward should have been letters from home. And now you are competing. This emotional moment.

That's great. You're having this emotional moment together. Also, that she really, I thought, this is a great idea. You're like, this is why she's good at what she does. Then you're fighting with your own tribe mates. Right. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, my friend is on the, you prevented,

you know how much the letters mean to me right yeah oh i like that a lot it's a lot better because like a hot dog you're like okay you had a hot dog and like you got to like yeah guys there wasn't even condiments it sucked yeah i really it's really it's i like that very twisty yeah i mean and we saw like the letters with charlie and maria last season of like you know was that a factor in like uh like any sort of like bad blood so you prevent somebody from getting their letters yeah um that's that's very good that's very good okay um john wants to know should uh okay should rachel immediately jump ship or should she attempt to stay with Gata for a bit?

I mean, she's keep her options open. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Should she potentially throw out any of those names? If she is in the Gabler position of she's safe, she wins Sierra or Sam is in the group. That not safe. Yeah, it's interesting. That makes it likelier that Sam...

I mean, it's a very... Andy is the safe fishy here, okay? Because nothing's going to happen to Andy next week. There is a world where this blows up meaningfully in Sam's face, right? For that very reason. Rachel comes out and is furious. At the fake

merge, she... Mergatory, she, the mergatory, she throws out Sam's name and Sam is a very easy consensus move for everybody. Yeah. And let me just say, heading into the mergatory, remember you are not safe. Do not say any names.

Yeah. That's rule number one of the mergatory. Okay. We'll see if somebody gets burned by that next week. All right, Steve, anything else you want to say heading into this? No, this was a very, uh, it was a fun episode it was fun anything we didn't talk about we got the you know the sue tiana um thing we got we got the obviously the vote to

gada and we got the the shenanigans over with uh with the red tribe so i think we hit it all pretty good okay um let me just also uh remind people to check out marianne and uh shannon after the episode it was a really fun conversation i listened to it right before we came on here so uh great job by them thank you again shannon for filling in for me live after the episode for the patrons i'm going right i'm gonna keep talking about this Survivor episode. 4 o'clock today will be the patron Q&A. We've been having a lot of fun on Fridays, taking all the patron calls. So that will be a great distraction from what my Mets are doing during that same time, Stephen.

Playing baseball. Playing baseball for today. We'll see what happens after that. All right. And then, of course,'ll see what happens after that. All right. And then, of course, check out the live show from the other night. Also, if you haven't had a chance to watch that one. And then I'll be back on Monday night for Club Condo to talk about all the nonsense from the week of Survivor. Steven, what else is coming up for you? Nothing.

Oh, you know what we didn't talk about was Hanuk annika's exit which i know you spoke about with her and i'm sure everybody's talking about but it does feel like you know we can't talk about this episode without this like i mean she really like went down the line what did you what did you do and what did you do what is that going to change how people because like also you know first of all she was feeling it and it was very raw. It was very real. It was very vulnerable, but also it was good TV. Do you think people are going to be more like, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom, like moving forward? I think so. I, you know, in the new era, I think there's been an evolution in terms of how we want to, uh, have these exits, uh, go out and in survivor 42 especially like uh drea she got blindsided and she was like wow okay great great and jeff's like wow i love that that's fantastic and i think we saw that like

um also like the sportsmanship of you blindsided me well well struck good Good job. You got me. I do think that the show is like reverting back to a little bit more of like, no, it's okay to be upset. If you get blindsided, it's okay to call people scumbags on the way out the door. And we like that. That's okay. It's emotional. It's like vulnerable. It's true. You know, I mean, I would never do that, but it's like authentic. It's real. Yes. Yes. You know, like, uh, uh, I hope you get a rash. Do you want to, what if you're the person, and this is what I would like to see who they have to like bring out the hook, you know, just like, okay, time to go. Yeah.

Just like monologue until they force you out of there. That's, that's, that's the next, uh, you know, evolution and strategy. I think that will just never make the light of day in the edit um so you'll it'll it will happen you will just get cut um so i think that um this probably is just the thing is like you're blindsided um you know you're not you know the presence of mind to do a bit if you go in planning the bit knowing that it could be you then you have to like fake the blind side yeah well you well i mean i don't know like i knew before i got voted out what i wanted to say when i got voted out because i had a good sense that it could be me like i feel like chances

yeah yeah i feel like i could have relied on like if i had a whole routine planned you know like a little soft shoe no yeah good yeah okay yeah we're gonna dance all right we'll see if you do a synchronized dance with with who with the people that voted you out i guess that's not a great yeah i don't know yeah i'm imagining like my backup dancers coming in you know from the sides would that not happen i mean who are your backup dancers the jury i don't know you know we gotta we've got to work on that. Yeah. That's the problem. There's problems with the idea.

But you can dance, though. I can't. Yeah. I can't dance. Are you kidding? You've seen me at your wedding. You saw me at your wedding. I saw you at your wedding.

Well, that was crazy. We took dance lessons for like weeks. Okay. And then we were still a second. Wouldn't help me. The moment that the band hit the song then we were still a second that wouldn't help me moment that the band hit the song we were off like like not even like 10 seconds later we were like off the beat okay so so you couldn't learn a dance for this oh chapelle says steven could mime that's true i

could i could you know a miming would be like a box of my being voted out. I could reignite my torch. I think that would be pretty good. Although they might think it's too silly. It depends on what your character was like. Okay. All right. Steven, great job. We'll be back on Thursday next week, right? Yeah.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Back on our regular schedule for next week. Thursday at 3 p.m. All right. We will see you then. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Back on our regular schedule for next week. Thursday at 3 p.m. 3 p.m. All right. We will see you then. Take care. Everybody have a good one.

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