RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 8

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

This week, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 47 episode 8.

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The smartest guys around are about to break it down like they've won the game a million times Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all. Survival, no it don't Survival, no it don't Steve on a rock without a doubt Yeah, that's right. The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back on a Friday afternoon here to talk about episode eight. Survivor 47. And here he is back.

I don't know what he's miming something. It's Stephen Fischbach. I'm trying to get both my hands in frame for my woo! Woo! Okay. Yeah. How are you? Doing pretty well.

Excited to be back with you here. Definitely thrown off by a Friday Know--it-alls after we've been on thursday for uh a year or so yeah it was my daughter had her four-year-old well checkup uh yesterday um so i needed to attend that you know and she's she's healthy okay well and i had my wisdom teeth out oh on monday so I wanted to give myself another day to recover. How are you doing? It hurts. You know, if I seem a little less wise, you know, you may know why.

That's what happens. Yeah. Would you have two out or four out? Three out. I decided to leave one in just for like a little confusion. No, I had a previous day I had that one out, but like it was a mess. And, you know, I had been told by a doctor like a decade ago that if I had these teeth out, it might affect my nerve. And that, and I was very scared of that. And, uh, you know, I know Scott St. Pierre had a lot of trouble with some mouth surgery. And so I was very audacious, but,

um, this doctor was like, no, it's fine. It was fine. It was great. It's fine. All right. Well, happy to hear that that worked out and, excited to talk with you about this episode uh yesterday that we didn't have steven so i did the robin's podcast patron q a did two and a half hours of call-ins from the patrons uh that's up in our patron feed at robin's website.com patron and of course had a great chat with christian and then talked with sierra on the exit interview uh steven how'd you feel this week for the episode? Oh, it was a fun episode. Like it's a very fun season.

You know, I enjoyed it. I love the auction. You know, we can, I'm sure, here's the problem with the Friday Know It Alls. It's like Thursday's bad enough. Things have already been said. Friday, like conversation is exhausted. We have nothing new to say.

But I love the auction. I thought that was fun. I thought all of the stuff with Rachel and the idol was fun. I mean, best of all, an actual 11 person vote, everyone potentially at risk, and all these different groups splitting off. Then we get to see how the

power dynamics shake out. It was so satisfying to see an actual episode of Merge Survivor that I don't ever need to see it again. From now on, it's just like tiny little groups, tiny little little tribal council you're satisfied your cup is full yeah okay well let's start off with uh rachel and the shot in the dark because i really feel like that since wednesday night i mean we were blown away on wednesday night i feel like that people are like maybe it's gotten to the point where people are too high on her playing the

shot in the dark the amount of like different like threads on Reddit. This was the greatest move in Survivor history. Yeah. Oh, it was good. Oh, now we can do the come down. We can be. Yeah. This is like now it went from like, oh, this is like this one went from like, oh, this was a very like subtle, clever

thing she did to now this has reinvented the game. Yeah. yeah. But it's fun to be the backlash. Rachel was a terrible move. No backlash. I'm just like, worst move I've ever seen in the history of the show. Yeah, this was, she made a smart play. Here's,

you know, from Reddit, four reasons why Rachel's play was brilliant. I mean, it was very good. It was good. It was very good. I mean, it is interesting mean it was very good it was good very good it was very good i mean it is interesting it was very smart like the like pre using the shot i mean as has been talked to death use but here we are to talk it to death further um shot in the dark right she did a number of things like the number one thing that she definitely did was assess whether or not people

were disappointed and read the room. And if it, you know, if she didn't hit, which it probably would not, and it did not, then she could use her idol if she needs to. Very smart. You know,

she has confirmed on Twitter that she also used it so that she didn't have to vote for Gabe. Now I had thought she, I had thought maybe she also didn't want to vote for Sierra or Sam. Like to me, that was a really good usage of it. But she said she was not in on the plan. She didn't know where the votes were going.

Let's bring up your Twitter thread on this and talk it through. OK, so we'll have the visual aid and we have here. You want to have the visual aid to make your points? Yeah, well, so the first one I did make was so I had written. Do we think Rachel knew where the votes were going and played the shot to avoid voting and also to get a read on the other players to see if they were sweating.

And then I enumerated by not voting, Rachel gets to not betray her ally, Sierra, who's going to be the first juror, which is often a decisive role because that's the whole tone of the jury. She doesn't get to betray, she doesn't have to betray her ally, Sam, who is still in the game

and she won't be on the wrong side of the votes and alienate gabe um so apparently the first two parts of that were not part of her her calculus because she didn't know where the votes were going but she it's true she did not want to vote for gabe um so i think that's good like that's what matt we saw matt do that in survivor 44 uh matthew was he matthew or matt matthew did that in survivor 44 yeah i think he used matthew there was matt blankenship and yeah beardy matthew um he he played the shot in the dark as a way to avoid having to vote in a contentious tribal council i think that's that's very intelligent and rachel here not knowing her position did did the same thing um something else that people on red commented, which I had

not thought about, which was really smart is that by burning the shot in the dark, suddenly you make yourself, um, more able to get information because people will be less worried about blindsiding you. So much of people's talk about blindsiding people, um, is because of the possibility of the shot in the dark. Like we can't let them know what's going on They've got their shot in the dark. You know we have to like make this a complete surprise But without having her shot in the dark suddenly Rachel is potentially has more access to information is less of a threat and of course Other people have also said That the shot in the dark, you know

Pete will make people less wary of an idol because like why would she play her shot in the dark, you know, will make people less wary of an idol because like, why would she play her shot in the dark if she doesn't, you know, if she has an idol? Now in the future, of course, like probably a lot of people will play their shot in the dark before using an idol. But it's a game changing move. It is a new data point for us to have to analyze.

And we'll have to see like how people treat her differently. It may also have the unintended side effect of that people are like okay well let's just put the votes on rachel now again it would work to her benefit if she's able to play the idol correctly but people might say okay well that's a safe person to dump the votes on now because she doesn't have a shot in the dark right oh yeah Oh yeah, true. Exactly. There's absolutely that counter possibility. Yeah. But it was very good. It was very fun, you know, to watch.

And yeah, very smart. And just showed that people are like debating whether it's like, is it because she doesn't want to vote for Gabe or is it because she did it this way? Like it's probably multiple things. There's not just like one reason anybody does anything in Survivor for the most part. You um you know players like if we can think of it like they are

out there thinking of it too yeah okay so let's talk about the actual vote then where it ends up being sierra instead of sam and this was interesting this this came up yesterday on the patron call about interesting that there was like a discussion of like, uh, there were the three people from Gata that it could have been. And there were cases like for and against each of the people in the three between Rachel and Sam and Sierra. Do you feel like, uh, the right person was picked? Why Sierra over Sam is my question. Why do we know what was the, I mean, like, we know that like Saul was pushing Sierra. So Saul got his way.

Well, I think Saul was pushing not Rachel. Like, it's interesting. No, but it's specific. When they were going through and like saying like, who's like pushing who, it was Saul. They were saying, oh, and this is Saul's target of Sierra. Saul was definitely protecting Rachel. But when like Teenie was going out and, you know,

making the case, Teenie was pushing Gabe, right? Teenie was going out and, you know, making the case, Teenie was pushing Gabe, right? Teenie was pushing Sam. Well, ultimately, Teenie wanted to vote with Gata. And they said, no, no, no, we're going to do something. And then Teenie pushed for Sam of the three. But I think when they were breaking down who was pushing who. So Teenie was pushing Sam. Saul was pushing Sierra.

And then I think Genevieve was pushing Rachel. So like everybody sort of had their. And so, you know, this was in a way Saul getting his way. But why Sierra? Well, Gabe also described Sierra as the head of the snake. And from what Genevieve had said in talking with Caroline and with Sue was that she felt like, OK, Sam is an obvious target. And so let's leave him in the game because he's going to get picked off eventually. And then let's go after somebody who's a not so obvious target.

It's so funny. It's such a backwards way of thinking. I mean, yes, I get that the counterintuitiveness of it all. But it is such like, you know, it's such a funny like the reason someone are a threat should be because they're like competitive to win the game and so like you want to remove the people who are the most competitive to win the game yeah but i i think in a way that they did i feel like that in the new era has a sam won the game and this is i think a good question that the players need to be asking themselves like the conventional wisdom is like who's the biggest threat well obviously it's sam he's a big strong guy and it's after the merge but that sam hasn't

won a a sam type hasn't won the game in the new era sam hasn't won but a jam has won a jam has won but he was not necessarily the same profile as a as a sam it rhymes rhymes. It does rhyme. Something to think about. Yes. Dee is kind of a Sam. Dee was the glue girl. She did great in the challenges. Don't try to sell me that Dee and Sam are the same.

Why not? If anything, Sierra is more of a Dee than a Sam. Why? Because I think, well, they're women, Stephen. Dee was like the alpha of that group and she was like the uh i mean i i think that yeah i guess like uh metaphorically uh they're similar but in terms of like we're talking about like a uh a alpha guy who is typically thought of traditionally as a threat to win the game. That person has not won the game in the new era. And you could say that, okay, well, more of a, you know, a woman who held an alliance together, you know, I could squint and see that being Sierra

more than I could see it as being Sam. Right, right, right, right. No, I do see that. I mean, that I could see it as being Sam. Right, right, right, right. No, I do see that. I mean, I see your point there. Especially that Ciara, that we have not really seen her shine in the individual immunity challenges, but I think she's somebody

who has an athletic background. Yeah. And she, you know, seems well-liked. She and Teenie were tweeting at each other about how much they liked each other. So that suggests they're well-liked. Yeah. I mean, Sierra seems like she was pretty easy to get along with from the other players' perspective. So she had a good social game, good in the challenges, had some good relationships. So I think that that is the type of person who I think has been more

dangerous in the new era. Yeah. And Sam is too obvious. I do see, I mean, like I'm, I'm not totally out on Sam as a winner. I think there's a world where Sam, like, because now without Sierra there, like, I think the typical way these things go is, okay, we've like got, got a, we like got that one. And like, now we don't need to worry about him. So like, let's move on to the next one, you know, and that could boomerangs back to somebody else. So I see a world where, I mean, I don't think Sam is going to win, but I'm not totally out on that possibility. Yeah. I think the thing that has been consistent in the new era is that the person who wins is sort of looked at a little bit like that. They're, uh, they're not that, you know,

completely like perfect, uh, package that ends up getting to the end. Like they have something that makes them overlook them. And so if Sam could sort of ride that out of like, I have nothing, I have nobody, I'm a free agent,

pick me up. Whereas, uh, Sam, as part of like an alliance with numbers is very scary. Maybe Sam by himself, you know an alliance with numbers, is very scary. Maybe Sam by himself, you know, he could potentially, you know, if people, the worm turns against Andy, the two sides end up going after each other. I think that there are still avenues for Sam. Yeah.

If you, Rob Sestranino, are in this game, is this where you get rid of Andy? Because you're like, this guy is nervous. Who am I? Who's a Rob Sestranino type in the game is this where you get rid of andy because you're like this guy who am i um who's a rob sesternino type in the game gabe let's see uh so does gabe want to get rid of a radio show host how well i guess so if i'm gonna put myself in andy's uh or sorry in gabe's position i i think i probably i want to keep my tuku numbers. Um, you know, if I could potentially like take out Andy, like I, I think that might not be such a bad play of that. He's like a number that is not necessarily like, uh, he's leaning more towards, uh, the other people.

So I think that Andy going home at this spot, uh, would probably be a good move for game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I would want to get that, because they're unknowable, right? But he's part of Saul's secret agents. Saul's secret agents. Do you desperately wish that you were part of the SSA? I do, I do. How come I haven't gotten my, also no code names?

What's happened to Survivor? It used to be that if you were a secret agent, you got a code name. And I don't know if this is the same show that I used to love. Yeah, I think it's so fascinating to think about where this could be going next, because that I feel like that while the two coup numbers that I feel like that they're pretty stable in terms of what they have that the people working with the lavo group that they have like these like disparate factions of okay saul is working with rachel uh that he has rachel as part of ssa you know genevieve had had a good relationship with sam i don't know necessarily where he goes but then also andy is considering himself to be the an honorary lavo so you have like these three different players who were starting on gata and they're all in some way

shape or form going to be like looking for refuge like in lavo they can't take all of them well but they might right i mean that's now that like you can't take all the like that's basically like you're friends with a couple and they're splitting up and then they both need a place to crash and then they're both going to stay with you. Yeah, no, you're right. Obviously, the Sam and Andy rivalry will be will be strong now. In every breakup, you know, a couple breaks up and you have to pick sides. Who are we staying friends with? I think they're going to keep Andy now.

Andy's part of the SSA, I think. And Andy has just voted with them. And, Andy now. Andy's part of the SSA. I think, and Andy has just voted with them, and he's so lovable. Are you letting a powerful ally like Sam just go to Tuku? That's interesting. It's a good question. Don't you

want Sam in the divorce? Yeah, I don't know. Or is he the most likely next target to say, let's keep Andy? Saul, I want Andy because he's my secret agent. I don't know. Or is he the most likely next target to say, let's keep Andy? I'm Saul. I want Andy because he's my secret agent. You know, I don't want my secret agent to get blown. But if I'm teeny, maybe I want Sam.

Yeah. Excuse me, that's spy lingo, Rob. Yeah, I'm not a spy. Yeah. So I think that this next vote is going to be really fun to see how it plays out yeah um i saw in the chat someone was asking was this too soon a moment a moment for andy to turn on sam and sierra i think it ultimately uh might have been i don't know what the alternative was that you know there was this great thing that came together of okay uh gata plus lavo we're

gonna go okay and we're gonna take out tuku that was sort of why like we got brokered over the baby back ribs last week and that sounded like a good plan but you know andy was andy was very eager to uh want to uh flip the script on sam and sierra but also genevieve also uh very much wanted to uh take out rachel so there was some distrust there so i i feel like that maybe taking out tuku might have been the more prudent move but i think that there was also issues with with the uh immunities uh there so sue and kyle both had the uh immunity necklace so those two were safe and then also again i don't know how much the survivor players are thinking that okay there was that red paint that got found at the tuku camp does that limit the available tuku options okay two people are immune and there's an idol so we're really getting into dangerous dicey territory to target a tuku

right now right that's a good point that is a good point um you know game is is a uh still a pretty ripe target there but um i hear you that that's like, why go after that group when they're, they seem like very protected. Yeah. That's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting observation. Who do I give the fishy to Rob?

I was talking yesterday with the patrons about like, I think this is the toughest one yet. Cause I think there's like four or five different people that you could potentially give this fishy to this week. All right, let's talk through it. So Rachel, the case is obvious, right? First of all, very fun play with a shot in the dark.

Honestly, like a play that could affect strategy beyond just this episode, beyond just this season. Yeah. And so there's something to be said for that, like creating, you know, a new usage in a way of this, of this tool. Rachel did something that was so great. I feel like unless Rachel goes on to win the game, this will be Rachel's legacy.

Yeah, totally. I agree. Okay, actually, can I, I'm going to circle back to something with Rachel, but let's keep going on the fishy. Yeah, so there's a lot to be said for that. That being said, typically the fishy, you know, given the fishy historians out there,

they'll know that typically it's, we reward sort of like classic survivor gameplay, which is like building a coalition and getting your, you know, your will imposed on the vote. Rachel was out of the loop on the vote and Saul was the one who got, and Saul, you know, a lot of times,

like maybe Saul should have gotten it last week. Did Saul get it last week? No, maybe Saul should have gotten it last week. So a lot of times that, you know, so Saul was seemed to be the guy who got his way in terms of where the vote went. Now, of course there's Andy too, right? Andy may has a case. He's all that. Yeah. He's all that. He was, he really pushed the flip on, um, Sam and Sierra. Who else is in the, uh, I think Gabe and Genevieve i think are also worthy of consideration yeah um i think my gut is to give it to rachel because first of all she hasn't had one yet and second of all um but i i was very you know last you know wednesday night i was like it's gotta be saul um because you know he was the one who got his way he like built the secret agents he was the he told rachel we

you know we we were all saying, okay, Saul's not going to tell Rachel. He's going to keep it a secret, but he told Rachel it panned out great for him. And then when Rachel was at risk, he was able to keep her safe. It was a very good case for Saul. Yeah. I think that, uh, for the Rachel case, just to add on there, she also get finds an idol also, uh, had to pull off a daring move to get an idol also in the episode so i think that there is a more there than just the shot in the dark play for rachel fishy yeah all right well let's say rachel fishy rachel but like saw honorary mention i i wouldn't dare to give two out but um you know honorary if rome's not here anymore how could you give out a second fishy when you have an all-time

great you know i understand it then but uh going back to rachel i wanted to ask do you think that you know the the threat level for rachel seems out of sync for like where she is in the game. The players, we see them talking about like, oh, Rachel is such a threat. Rachel is the person to beat. Do you think that going back and getting called out for stealing the rice in the challenge, that that was something that really put her on people's radar in the game?

The people from Tuku and Lavo at that point, that did they see when Jeff called her out and she got busted and had to dump out the rice? Is that something that made the other players say, ooh, watch out for her? That makes sense to me. I mean, also, I think even just from the way Rachel carries herself,

she seems like a really smart, together, nice, great person. And most people are really threatening. She seems like someone who like smart together, nice, great person. And most people are really threatening, you know, she, she seems like someone who knows the game really well, you know, you know, just seems to be, you know, everyone has been saying that she's, you know, observant that she's, you know, social, you know, even when she, that time when she kind of like stayed away from Andy, because Andy like pulled her out of the shelter at night, which, which you know maybe looking back was not her best her greatest choice but at the

time like there was a lot of rationale for that and it showed that she was very aware of her position in the game and how other people were perceiving her actions and you know someone like that those qualities will be uh picked up by the other players. Yeah. Okay. So, Stephen, we had the auction return this week. What's your, I know you love the auction. How are you feeling overall about the new era auction? I mean, people, I'm sure you talked about this with Christian. But people were saying, you know, that it does not make sense to have an auction

where you have different amounts of money and a penalty for losing your vote. Um, so because like, then there's no auction happening. People are just like using their total amount of money to buy whatever the next item is. Whoever has the most money after five just buys whatever the next thing is. And so there's like no jockeying, there's no like little face off, which is part of the fun of the whole thing. Yeah, I agree that I think that if you want to have people lose their vote, though, I do think that you do need to have people have differing amounts of money

because then, you know, you're going to end up with, you know, three people left with the same amount of money or, you know, you won't have an easy way to break a tie of who has the most money left if they all start on the same playing field. But I just don't think that you need it. I know it's been talked to death. The auction is very fun. And I know that they like the stakes of somebody's going to lose their vote. But we're we're we're not having people like buying things because they want them or they're hungry. People it's like, uh, here's, we've got,

uh, Oh, dog excrement, uh, $900. Exactly. Yeah. Even the fish eyes.

It doesn't feel like that big a loss. Cause she's like, okay, at least I didn't lose my vote. Yeah, exactly. Like it suddenly like the stakes of the auction, which are,

Oh no, like I had my, I wanted that. That's why I've been dreaming of that. You know, it doesn't matter anymore. Cause you've just lost your vote. So like by like creating like bigger stakes in the same little universe, it's like, you

know, if there was a movie about like a love story and you're like, oh, my gosh, this is such a moving, moving love story. Like, I'm so moved by this. But then you also had Galactus in that movie. You know, like it's like it's suddenly the scale. I mean, you could have it. It could work, you know, Galactus. I'm just saying you need like the stakes of your of

your story to be confined to like one level you can't have like two whatever like actually in this there was to be something very beautiful about the inevitability of galactus i don't see this is maybe a great uh screenplay that you stumbled upon it's this love story but then also galactus is coming in in this case like you meet the girl of your dreams, but like, oh my God, of all days, Galactus? I didn't even get her number. There's like a Maslow's hierarchy of needs maybe going

on, but still, this is exciting. Let's write it. Let's send it to Samala. Let's send it to Samala. Yeah. By the way uh the she's all that moment with andy what'd you think of that i don't know why i think that's like so funny that really you got really got me rob there yeah um i love it it was your idea i mean truly i was yeah um the the side that was very fun the hair flip and uh you know the glasses off and it was it was

great it was good and he's a very fun character on this season he really he adds a lot to the season because it is a very you know gamey season which a lot of play a lot of viewers like which i really like you know everyone seems to be playing well unlike last season where everybody was playing extremely sloppily not everybody but you know a lot of people were playing very sloppily. Not everybody, but, you know, a lot of people were playing very sloppily. And, you know, I think Andy, he's strategic. He is messy. You know, he's got a lot of personality. You know, he's just like he adds fun to the episode.

Yeah. Andy's moment where he did the she's all that, that that was super fun. I got a big response from. That was super fun. It got a big response from when I was at UNC. Are you still at Galactus? Someone in the comments wrote, She's All That starring Galactus. I don't know why.

Maybe it's the drugs from the wisdom teeth. Maybe. So we have a special coming to to the nothing but netflix podcast this weekend that i went back and i watched 1999 she's all that with chapelle and josh wiggler to see what other gems we could take away from baby andy's game from that film. Will someone explain baby Andy to me? Uh, I can, uh, if you, uh,

I'll, I'll tell you off, uh, offline. Yeah. Okay. So it's a longer story, but yeah,

look for, look for that. She's all that recap 25 year anniversary. If she's all that, can you believe it? Wow. How are we celebrating? I guess you're rewatching.

Yeah. Rewatch the film and made a podcast about it yeah that's pretty good yeah yeah so that that is gonna be uh a fun one so steven go ahead okay you want to go back to the auction well i yeah what did you think of kyle eating the meat look i admire it you know like uh that uh jeff was a little bit like uh why are you doing this it's like what you're making him exactly he's like are you couldn't switch it out yeah i um i wonder if he got sick oh that's interesting sometimes yeah when your body like has meat for the first time after a long time yeah i mean i guess good for him you know obviously everybody's

got their different moral thresholds, but like if you're going to like backslide, definitely this is the time to do it. Like you're on Survivor, you need protein. You know that if you lose the next immunity challenge, you're probably going home. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, you know, that chicken is dead already. You know, you're not saving that chicken. You know, you can't go to something. It's not like a Miss Peppers situation. Yeah. So I think for uh kyle and look it fueled him to another immunity win that's right that's right and this time against the whole field yeah so the first real immunity win for kyle what a what a tricky spot to be in where everyone is talking about what he's the immunity winner. And like, as we noted last week, he like was third. Yeah.

And he said, like, this is bad for me in the short term. But, you know, what is he going to do? Yeah, you can't. Now you can't. Now you're stuck. Yeah. No point can you like choose to lose. But should someone I think someone put up a chart of how long people in the new era who have been on immunity runs lasted after their immunity run.

And it's like the only person to make it any amount of tribal councils is Charlie. Like other than that, it's like zero or one votes after they lose. They're out. Should you never win immunity in the new era? I think maybe don't win immunity unless you have to, but I think that that's just like getting too cute. You know, we were talking about this also, um,

with Andy and Sierra and putting Sierra on the, like the, you know, mayor of Ponderosa. But I just think that there are things that like, yes, we can be results oriented, but I don't know necessarily,

like, should you not go for immunity? Like, are you, that's, are you that safe in the game that, but I don't know necessarily, like, should you not go for immunity? Like, are you, that's, are you that safe in the game that, but there's a, I mean,

like if you win two in a row, like let's say you go for immunity. Great. But if you went to in a row, you are put like the, the, the risk of winning a second immunity in a row might be greater than the risk of,

of not winning immunity. Like you are, you are like, if you win three in a row, you're basically guaranteeing that winning immunity like you are you are like if you win three in a row you're basically guaranteeing that you get voted out unless you're like one of the you know unless you're charlie who's like one of the best social players we've seen yeah and that was something you know franny was dealing with back in her season but if you can win the immunities like should you start throwing them like big brother yeah or like war dog classic sandbagger of immunities um yeah like like maybe like i i mean to me that makes sense like if you know that you are more likely to be voted out

by winning more immunities like then yeah like don't win unless you really feel the heat because like the certainty of being of of the statistics you know outweighs to me like the risk of like any one on any one spot. At what point do you start winning immunities? When the heat is on. I think, you know, when the heat is on. Yeah. I mean, you could be wrong. You could be like, shoot, I screwed it up.

But it also could be the heat wasn't on. But then you let the person who they were going to vote out win the immunity. And then all of a sudden now it bounces back to you. Yeah. I don't know i mean it's it's i would say you should be strategic about which immunity challenges you win just like you're strategic about all aspects of the game you know like you might throw a reward challenge because you don't want to have to choose who goes on reward with you i would be less likely to throw

a reward challenge to be honest because i want to eat yeah um but like i think there's a lot of strategic validity to throwing immunity challenges. So do you now especially. All right. So do you not even like you have a good showing, but don't try to win one until, you know, you're getting down to like final six, final seven. Yeah. Or even like do terribly. You know, that's that was my strategy. I'm waiting for my third time out. That's why I did so terribly in the movies. Yeah. Then nobody will see me coming. You know, but like, because like if you're doing really badly,

then people are going to be like, ah, we can get rid of him later. He always loses. But if you're like in the mix at the end, they're like, oh, he's still pretty good. Yeah. I mean, it's fair. It's just very hard to do,

I think, while you're there. But yeah, I mean, all aspects of Survivor are very hard. Like it's hard to play a great social game too you know and it's true like why would you choose to lose when you could win but again like you know that you will are less likely to win the game like much less likely to win the game in fact nobody in the new era has gone on an immunity run and won the game than you are to win the game by not doing that okay I mean that mean, that's fair. It's a good point.

Yeah. All right, Steven, I want to ask you about something that just says in terms of the schedule here, a lot of the Survivor fans have noticed that, boy, it's a word on the street is that the Survivor finale is going to be December 18th, which puts us on pace for a 14 episode season

for the first time in the new era and and also it seems as though we are getting two hour episodes both on december 11th and on december 18th and correct me if i'm wrong about this but steven i believe that that december 18th finale is going to be the first time that the Survivor finale is not a three hour block, I think, ever. Whoa. So that's great. So they're going to do the final five instead of the final six, you think? I think potentially. And then maybe the final four going into the reunion show. And then that's awesome. That's great, because I really always felt that that like sixth place person got completely you know screwed both in the the edit broadly and then even just in like the way like the way they're kind of like where it's the fifth place person all right i meant the fifth i meant the fifth place person yeah yeah so and they used to do final four and it was great

it was great television yeah so i think that that's uh what they're gonna do uh i'm not sure necessarily how they'll structure a two-hour final six episode of the show. I don't know if we get anything else in terms of the pacing, but I think that that's what's being reported. So it'll be an interesting change. And honestly, we've all been disappointed with the Survivor after show

or whatever they call it after the episode. So maybe we don't need to spend as much time there. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, let me see. Okay, and we'll see if we'll get more information on that coming up. Maybe we get finally the Rites of Passage. Rites of Passage.

That'd be exciting. For like an hour. Yeah, look, they love to bring back old stuff. I mean, if they brought back the Rites of Passage, people would be pretty pumped up. I would be pumped up. I think like 80% of people would find that not good. But I love the rites of passage. They'll say, oh, remember John Lovett. Exactly, 15 minutes of John Lovett.

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I think Sue is good at these challenges that are like stand still. Yeah. But there's a lot of those challenges in the merge. I think that's right. I do think that probably Sue is flying under the radar because there's so much more heat on Kyle. That's her specialty is flying under the radar. That's pretty good. That was very good. We should talk about Teenie's strategy montage because it was very interesting to me that Teenie got a whole montage of like, no, I can't let this be the vote.

I need to switch up the vote. It needs to be on Sam. We see Teenie going to talk to all these different people. You know, Teenie's talking to Genevieve and Caroline. They're talking to Andy. They're talking to Gabe. And then that goes nowhere. That really has no impact on the vote at all. What do you make of that, Rob? I think that Teenie is well-liked, but I don't think that Teenie has had a lot of agency in the game. I think that people like enjoy Teenie's company, but I don't think that she has had a lot of agency in the game. I think that people enjoy Tini's company, but I don't think that she has had a lot of weight in really any of the strategic conversations so far this season.

Yeah, I mean, so far we've seen that everything that Tini supports does not happen, right? Tini wanted to push to keep Asia, was with Keyshawn, and then obviously this time, we would not, does not, Tini does not get their way. The, but yet like the show continues to tell us

that Tini is a very strategic player. And so, you know, I'm just saying there might be. Yeah, they're showing us definitely. You think it could still happen? I feel like they're showing us that teeny is very well liked i'm not sure he's well liked and but also like a very thoughtful player who's like working all of the different angles um and i don't know like to me that you know maybe i'm wrong but i i feel like i could see i could see teeny at the end okay all right All right. Ryan Irwin wants to know, has there been a season where there's not a clear front runner this deep into the game?

I can't think of one. The season seems wide open for winter potential. Yeah. I mean, it's really true. I, you could make the case for so many different people, you know, you can make the case. I think Andy will have the toughest road, but I actually could make, you could make the case for, for Andy too, you know, given what, how he started in the game and you know this this he's all that moment and then you know who knows like maybe andy has enough goodwill to um you know to to win it all i i think that's a long shot but it is true that there's a lot of different people i mean i feel like the new era editing generally has been really enjoyable in that in that way like i've had no clue who's going to win almost any season in the new era the one person i felt like d you know kind of like we would use a little more telegraphs and

some of the others and and jam jam to jam jam too um but other than that um i really have not known so it could go any number of ways. I think that it does speak to what you're saying about the editing in the new era about that. Especially this season in particular, the editing has been very even across the board. Yeah. I mean, and even the characters who I would say are, I would guess, had a lot of good winner chance because they had weird edits at the start of the show. We didn't see too much of Saul and Genevieve in the first two episodes um Genevieve especially and like now if you were to ask me without any like knowledge of like who

got under under edited I would say oh yeah Genevieve like you know she's totally competitive she's got to be likely winner but I just don't know okay Steven according to Cecilia the last four people to buy margaritas at the auction have been voted out apparently is this a new curse what are your thoughts for the margarita yeah okay i know kelly kelly and also uh that this week sierra got the margarita i don't know who got margaritas before that yeah the fourth margarita curse wow that's dangerous is it possible that getting drunk on a margarita curse wow that's dangerous is it possible that getting drunk on a margarita is not good for your survivor game maybe it's like envy envy takes them down

because people are so mad about what a great what a great thing they got were you excited that the gross food competition resurfaced that was cute it was a cute little homage i mean like two grubs is not the gross you would have taken them down like that. Sam did very well though. I mean, especially if being like, you know, his picky eater narrative has now come full circle. Yes. As somebody who did not struggle with that when it came up on second chances, uh, what's your secret? First secret is I kept water in my mouth. You know, your mouth can dry out. It's a challenge. It's hot. Like just like keep on getting, keep, keep some water in your mouth before you go up there like it makes it easier to like get the stuff down that's that's number one okay then just go for it just go for

it are you imagining it's something else but what do you have to like play any mental games no just put it put it don't overthink it yeah you got some water just it's all a physical thing okay yeah all right question from nb703 uh do you think it shifted from gabe uh to someone from the other tribe uh why do you think it shifted from gabe i think it was because that uh the uh tribes wanted to take out somebody from gata yeah and again like if you're worried if you're not worried Sam, then you're also not worried about Gabe. Right. For they sort of have the same kind of, you know, oh, he'll always be a target later. How do you feel about Gabe? I like Gabe. I like Gabe.

But do you feel like that in terms of the game that I think that Gabe might have like a little bit of a higher opinion of like where he stands in everything than maybe from what we're seeing. Do you think that Gabe has a path to the end? Yeah, why not? I mean, Gabe is, has got, you know, he's, he's at the center of this blue Alliance. You know, I think if Gabe gets there with Kyle and Sue, you know, you know, he's got a good argument, you know, I think that, you know, Kyle obviously and Sue will also have good arguments, but you know, that's his, that's his, um, that's his group. And, you know, there's obviously some, some biases at play there that, that, that might help that might, that might favor him. Yeah. I think that Gabe is a fun player to watch, but I do feel like that, uh, the end is coming sooner than later for Gabe. Yeah. Um,

I don't think Gabeabe is gonna win like we've seen a lot of like him of his like sort of like like uh finger twirling you know mustachioed um confessionals about how he's like manipulating everybody and they're all just pawns to him but we haven't actually seen him moving the pawns you know so one part of playing one at one point you got to get the pawns and the second half of chess is moving the pawns. And we haven't seen a lot of that from him. So my maybe hot take on Gabe is that Gabe has been pretty unlucky in the game, in that twofold,

that he has had almost no food compared to the other players, where there are some players like Teenie and Sam, I think, who have eaten nonstop these last four episodes. They got a hot dog. They were on the winning side of the Mergitory. Then they won to go to the Baby Back Ribs. And then they went to the auction.

That's a lot of food. Gabe got no hot dog, was on the losing side of Mergitory, was on the losing side when they split the tribes, and then got a coconut filled with cold water. He got to eat a couple scoops of peanut butter. That's it for Gabe. He's also not had a lot of access to relationships.

He didn't go to the Survivor Social. He was with the losers. That was only a group of, what, four other people, and one of them was Rome, who's no longer there. what, four other people, and one of them was Rome, who's no longer there. He was with only Rachel and his starting tribe at the split tribal council twist. So he has not been able to necessarily form as many other relationships outside of Tuco. That's a great observation on his overall state in the game.

That's fantastic. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Oh, yeah. But I just, I think that Gabe, I think, is a talented player, but I think he's had bad circumstances. Yeah, no, I, I really liked him especially. I mean, we saw a lot more of him in the pre-merge and I really enjoyed him. I mean, he was super fun. The first episode, you know, he immediately built that alliance with Sue and Caroline. He, you know, a lot of fun with the idol. Um, you know, he, he, he called it quits at two, right. That was, that was like, seemed that was like seemed like a smart move um i just i mean i really liked him and i'm sort of actually

surprised because i did feel like the show was kind of setting him up to be a bigger character than he's ultimately been so far i feel like we have to see some more from him i think it would just if he just sort of like randomly went out it would kind of feel like i need i want some more you know puppeteering yeah don't be expecting to be on the mount rushmore of the new era yeah maybe that was the problem you think it was hubris maybe uh okay setting the pace colon a pacers podcast is robin steven do you think that andy should have lost his vote for not finding any money for the auction punishing a player who actually found money over a player who doesn't make uh who didn't doesn't make. That is an interesting loophole. Yeah.

I saw someone on Twitter was suggesting that the way they should do it actually, and this is like adding like complication on complication, is at the end they flip a coin and whether it's the person with the most money or the person with the least money. So it's like either the person with the most money loses or the person with the least money loses.

So now suddenly- But more than zero. No, because then you wouldn't have zero. Like you know, people would avoid getting down to zero in order to not have zero. So once you buy something, then you're out of contention for the coin flip. No, no. At the end of the game, you see all the number. This person has this amount.

This person has that amount. And then they flip a coin. But then what are we even doing? That's what I'm saying. It's too complicated, but it's not like the way it is, is like, it is sort of like, there's too, too many loopholes. What do you think about the idea that Andy and this, I had posited this theory of that. Could Andy have gone out there, looked for money? What, what, it wasn't going well. And then at some point just decides, okay, well now I'm all or nothing. I'm going to stop looking for money because I don't

want to go into the auction with like a hundred dollars and then end up being like, yeah, that's interesting. That's a, that could be a, that's a very viable, good strategy. I mean, we did see him like aggressively missing a lot of money out there but it's totally possible that you're right like at some point but was he playing out like oh my god you guys like i'm horrible at this like was he sort of like playing up that uh like i don't know what i'm doing i'm sure there was some of that towards the end but i don't know i never really totally buy that when like the players like you know the the argument that the players flaws or, or screw ups are all secretly strategic at,

at heart. You know, because we're all flawed, mess up people. Right. For sure. Yeah. What,

what about though, which I'm sure you talked about with Dr. Hubecki, Sierra's decision to not give Andy chocolate and peanut butter. So I don't know. I don't think that that really bought anything. Maybe, you know, we'll hear from Andy like, oh my God, when she didn't give me peanut butter, that's it.

You know, she was dead to me, but she gave it to Gabe and Gabe was like leading the charge of vote out Sierra. Yeah, but it's not going to ever like win over an ally, but it might show a like wavering ally, you know, oh, hey, I do care about you. You know, it's never going to like be the thing that like convinces an enemy that you're on their side. Yeah. You know, that's why I'm all like I'm pro taking your allies on rewards, because I think like the risk of like alienating them by not giving them a good point. Greater than like any gain you get from taking someone who's opposed to you.

than like any gain you get from taking someone who's opposed to you. You know, something else that came out of the exit interview I did with Sierra was I asked her about the safety without power and who did Sierra think use the safety without power on Rachel to take her out of that tribal council? Cause she knew it wasn't her. She must've known it wasn't Sam. So of the other people there, what did she think happened? And what she said was she thought Andy was the person that used it to save Rachel.

And that was also something that made her feel like, oh, Andy is really on board with us because he just used the advantage to save Rachel. Right. That's interesting. So she was like, I don't need to worry about him. He's all shored up. He's got us all. She was probably feeling pretty good. i think that he did a good job of snowing them yeah but a lot of people have you know lost out in survivor by taking their allies for granted yep you know as you know very well i do you know because you know you pulled

them all in you flipped them okay yeah you were, you know, you were the, the Saul situation. People took me for granted. Well, I mean, yeah, of course. Okay. No, but you're the Saul. You're like, you know, Rob's, you know, you get, you had your, your Matthew, your Jenna. Sure. And Matthew could eat the grub. No problem.

Butch. Mm-hmm. Yep. Can you name any others? Of your secret, of your little group? Of, of, yeah. I mean, Alex. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, people from- I mean, Alex? Yeah.

You know, like, yeah, sure. Why not? I can name them all. It's so crazy, you know, how vividly I remember, like, all those pre-New Era seasons. And now, name four people from Survivor 44. Exactly. I mean, I could, of course I could do that because, like, you know, but, like, you know, just name the final four.

Mm-hmm. All right. But like, you know, just name the final four. All right. Allison, do we think Sam can bounce back and get into the tribe? I'm sorry. Do we think that Sam can bounce back and get back in with the tribe after the Andy betrayal? I think so.

I mean, there's also always a world, you know, now Andy is under Saul's protection. And we know that is extremely powerful as we saw this episode with Rachel. But, you know, there's always a world where the person who flips is sort of like the uniform vote out. That's like, that's a, you know, a historical thing. Maybe it happens less now since the divisions are a little more porous,

but it certainly was a very common phenomenon, you know, back in classic Survivor. What do you think happens next for Andy? Yeah, I mean, he either gets voted out or he goes all the way or something in between. Yeah, but do you think that it's more likely that he's out sooner or later? I really could see Andy being there in the final three.

I would not be surprised if the final three were Teenie, Sue, and Andy. You know, the sort of least in the mix person. I mean, Sue's very much in the mix on Blue, but the least, the sort of like each representative from the different tracks. I can see that. I feel like Andy is probably out sooner. I don't think Andy makes it to the final three. I would not be surprised if he was next.

Okay. He got his revenge on Gata and now everybody's like, let's just give it a damn. All right. Question from Tyler, who says, for Rob and Steven, how does someone who,

how does someone perceived to be a threat want to keep, sorry, let me try this again. How does someone be perceived as a threat and want to be kept in as a shield by the other players who also has seemingly no way to win if they did get to the end? But why would Sam have no way to win if he gets to the end like i he specifies he's talking about sam tyler meyer music um i see i could see sam winning if he gets to the end especially with ciara mayor ponderosa yeah exactly and like you know he played a good game and you know had this like thing happen where he lost his best ally right at the jury start.

And now he's fighting from behind. The jury always roots for the underdog. I mean, there's a world where Sam embodies both top dog and underdog. Yeah, he was the top dog and then he became the underdog. Then can he go back to being the top dog? I totally could see Sam winning this season. I would not be surprised at all.

Yeah. All right. Anything else you're seeing, Steven? How did you feel about the news breaks from Sam? Is this going to be a part of every 10 seasons? Well, I saw Rick Devins asking, like, is he stealing my bit? That's my move. Yeah.

But Sam is like a reporter. Mm-hmm. Does Rick just get to like shut down every single reporter in the future on Survivor? I mean, didn't like Sean Rector do that or something, you know? Or wasn't that part of like a... Yeah, Sean Rector was doing like a morning show. So Rick stole Sean Rector's bit, Rick. Yeah, like I think that Rick, from what I've seen from his career like he was like a man

at a desk i don't know how much reporting he did from the field um yeah but then i in terms of sam i know he's like an nfl reporter but i don't know if he necessarily does too much like breaking news this is what's happening like he's right i don't think that he necessarily does too much like breaking news. This is what's happening. Like he's, I don't think that's necessarily his job either. Yeah. Get out in the field. Like I've seen him like, like interviewing players and stuff like that.

Yeah. Going to locker rooms. Do you see a sports announcer Alliance forming for survivor 50? Yes. That would be, that would be ideal. They could like, you know,

Rick from the desk could pass to Sam in the field. That's a great bid. Survivor, you can take that. You can run with that. Like a whole sports center. Yeah. I like it. Okay.

Steven, next week, looks like Sam is on the warpath going for Andy. Do you think that, what are the chances that the next person voted out is either Sam or Andy? Medium? What do you think? what are the chances that the next person voted out is either sam or andy medium what do you think hi hi hi is it high i don't know how these two get back on the same page yeah i that would be very tough after after this um i do think i think there's a world a very like a very likely world where it could be andy Yeah, I could see them coming back around, especially if Sam wins immunity.

Also, we were talking about on the patron call yesterday that Sam still has the idol that was the one-use idol that other people don't know is expired and that he could potentially use that to his advantage next time. Yeah. I mean, there's a world where it's Kyle, right? Kyle loses and everyone's like, we got to get him out now. Yep. The Tyson thing of where, okay. Oh, he finally didn't win one.

Let's take the shot now. Yeah. Okay. All right. And so we will be back together on Thursday to talk about all of that. Steven, what's going on for you in the meantime? You know, I just, I had this,

this wisdom teeth and just recovering, just recovering, just recovering. And then tomorrow we're going to be taping our next episode. Did you know about this, right, Rob? Because you're supposed to be there.

We're going to be taping. Yes. I was aware of this. I wasn't sure you were announcing it so, so early, but tell people to get ready. Can I, can I announce it? I think it's too late but tell people to get ready. Can I announce it? I think it's too late. Go for it.

We're taping our next episode of the Survivors Play Blood on the Clock Tower. It won't be out for a long time because it takes us a long time in post to actually edit it together. But I'm really excited. Just kind of like a teaser. Throw it out there. Get ready. Get ready because there will be more Survivors playing Blood on the Clock Tower.

And who knows? If it's a bad game like maybe we never delete it yep yeah yep and so if you are interested in that type of thing you didn't see the initial one that we did check out on our youtube channel survivors play a blood on the clock tower people said that it was so much fun they wanted us to do more and so we have answered the call give the people what they want is what we say but if i look bad we might we might, we might delete it. Like if I look dumb, I think like that thing never sees the light of day. Okay. All right. So, uh, that's gonna be a lot of fun, uh, coming up. And so be on the lookout for that. And then, uh, for us, I mentioned she's all that's coming up with Chappelle and Josh Wiggler. Uh, it was a fun podcast. We recorded it earlier today.

So that's a good one. And then also I mentioned the patron two and a half hour call I did yesterday talking about a lot of the interesting strategic things going on in the game. So many good calls from the patrons. These is what was your, what was the, can you give us a,

like a peek at one of the top calls? Oh, I mean, I think that a lot of the stuff, uh, you know, that we talked about here today were things that, you know, I've been talking about with the patrons. So, um, you know, more, uh, for anything, uh, more in depth, a lot of the topics we talk about, check out that patron call. And then on Monday, I'll be back with Chappelle for club condo talking about all of the fun that we had with this episode. Wow. Rob, how was the North Carolina viewing event? It was a pretty fun night.

I went to UNC in Chapel Hill on Saturday night. I brought my whole family, which was fun, because I really don't bring the whole crew to these events. bring the whole crew to these events. And so, uh, my family, uh, got to meet Sandra and Johnny Fairplay and Crystal Cox and Sabrina Thompson and Jane Bright. I know I was going to say really like some of the, some like, like I haven't seen Crystal or Jane, you know, anything. Yes. I mean, Jane, Jane was for like a year or two was, was, you know, you'd see her out, but like amazing. How, how, how is it talking to catching up with jane yeah jane is a big survivor fan she says she watches every episode like four or five times what yeah really yes that's i mean by the by the second you know she's uh loves it she loves

survivor and she's super into it you know i don't know if you saw this but what we did that we did an auction in uh at unc um no that's so fun i didn't see it what happened did you auction yeah so they had an auction after the were you the auctioneer yeah i was the auctioneer oh that's so we ended up like they hid like advantages like around the room like under people's chairs and then if you it said like if you find this advantage don't say, you're going to be participating in the special thing at the end of the show. And so then at the end of the episode, I called up all the people who found the advantages and they got an envelope filled with fake money to bid on things for the auction. And so they had things like buffs and they had things like for food items. But the last thing was we had the real gavel and the block from the auction

from Fiji, like the real prop from the episode. So someone got it. So yeah, two people, two women pulled their money. I let them pull their money together and then they got the, yeah,

that's out in the wild. Yeah. Did you use a British accent? No, I did not. I did. So what did you think of Jeff? If I did Shakespeare in the park, it would sound like this.

I don't know if you've seen Shakespeare in the park. I thought it was cute. It was like cute. It's like when Jeff is sort of like dorky and like daddy, like that's sort of cute. He talked about it on the On Fire podcast, why he kept it in there. He's like, I know it was bad. That's why. But I'm putting myself out there.

I'm being vulnerable. Yeah. I'm sure if it was like amazing, he probably wouldn't have kept it in because that would have been sort of like that would've been weirder, right? Like the badness is sort of what made it, you know, charming. It was like, so like broke out this like perfect Shakespearean accent. But I think what's funny with that is that Emily, when she called him out last, I'm just like, that's the margarita because look at

how he's carrying the tray then i think he's really like into like the fake out of like what am i holding i don't know is it a is it is there liquid in here yeah who knew the burger who know uh it was rachel oh that's. She deserves the fishy just for that. Okay. For like guessing the burger. Great. But let me posit this to you. Okay. Yeah.

You know how it is when you're on Survivor. You have heightened senses of smell. Is it possible Rachel could smell the burger from under the covered item? But also like your sense of smell is so overwhelmed with like the dirt from and stink from your neighboring contestants no i feel like that when there were people in in the amazon like the camera people could come in like yeah i feel like that like oh yeah you were like you've been drinking all night like you've you had cheetos like uh you know you could really i feel like like new like uh you're very primal like uh i wonder if rachel and another good question for Rachel could ask on Twitter. Could Rachel smell that it was a burger underneath the covered item? Yeah.

By the way, Rachel chiming in on Twitter to like very quickly be like, no, no. Yes. Yes. Like this is how this, you know, response to my tweet was great. That's what I want from the contestants in the new era. Just like very quickly tell me what's right and what's wrong. You saw so many of our questions. We can talk about this on the know-it-alls without looking dumb.

I probably would have spent 10 minutes talking about it. And she didn't over-explain anything. Right. And she's not engaging in any like Twitter beef. Like, you know, like you see the Twitter beef. She did drag David Bloomberg pretty good the other day. Oh, no, but who wouldn't? We all do.

And that's the right way to behave. But, you know, but no, I mean, she's like with the other day. Oh no, but who wouldn't? We all do. And that's the, that's the right way to behave. Um, but you know, but no, I mean, she's like with the other contestants, you know, and as soon as you see like the back and forth,

like with Gabe and Rome, you're like, well, Gabe's not winning now. Only Tony is a lunatic on Twitter. And then it's a game. And so maybe there's some Tony upside for Gabe, but like,

you know, it makes you think it makes you wonder. Yeah. Tony certainly on the Mount Rushmore of the old era. Yeah. So maybe, maybe Gabe is, is honoring Tony with his twitter photo tony okay yeah all right thank you so much for joining us take care everybody have a good one bye champions We are the best that we know. Just grab your mic and we go wild. We're led by a simple credo. If Rob has a podcast, we have a hero.

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