RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 48 Ep 10

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Today, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 48 episode 10.

The Smarter Guys win the game figured out, they know it all Yeah, that's right. So the Survivor No. 1 dolls are back, baby. And tonight we talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly from Survivor 48, episode number 10. How are you, Stephen Fishback? I'm great. I just got back. I mean, it was in DC, but I got back driving to do it from the final three con.

Well, formerly clock tower con now final three con clock tower fanatics, Dwight and Emily Flippen were there along with hundreds and hundreds of people and many, many are-Hap people, a big group of R-Hap Clocktower community was there. It was so cool to just like play lots of Clocktower, get to like, you know, meet some of these people I've played with online. And you know, it's great.

We did a panel on the similarities and differences between Survivor and Clocktower. Did that get recorded? No, I know, no, explicitly not recorded because we got into some deep stuff. Got into some deep stuff, okay. I would love to hear more about your takeaways at some point. But anyway, Steven, happy to have you here today

to talk about episode number 10 of Survivor 48. And I feel like I have a lot to say today on this episode. So looking forward to getting into it all here with you. Of course, thanks for joining us everybody for this one. On Thursday, I will have the pleasure to talking to one of our favorite survivor contestants. Star will join me on the exit interview. Oh, very disappointed that she was booted. star will join me on the exit interview.

Oh, very disappointed that she was booted. She's just such a great, very fun presence on screen. And yeah. She had a great exit episode, star. Yeah, great exit episode. There was also an extremely funny clip from her that was going around after the episode last week. It was their deleted scene.

I retweeted it if you're curious to see it. It was just like her kind of like going up to all of the people on the beach and being like, Oh, so what are your final three plans? And she says, you know, if they're not telling you, if they're pretending they don't know, they're lying to you, which is as it in a much more charming and funny way than I just did. And then you have all these conversations where everyone is saying to her, Oh, I don't know. I don't know what my plans are. Okay. Well, I am looking forward to talking with star on Thursday And then I will get the chance to talk to a guy who did play his shot in the dark

Caleb will join me on Thursday afternoon to talk about all that and I'll talk to Gabby Pascuzzi coming up on Monday But that's not all that's coming up this week on RHAP because this week is also the return of the big Wandoff. Steven, once a season, the Wandoff returns to R H A P. So, you know, star already got her song in everybody. Okay. Will we hear some remixes? I don't know. Rob is website at comm slash Wandoff to get in your Wandoff submissions for our once a season Survivor 48 song parody contest. All season long, you can go back to episode one. Talk about Stephanie Berger if you want.

It's the all Survivor 48 Wandoff coming to RHAP next week. And so get those submissions in by Sunday night, all right? There you go. Wow, last season's Wanda was hilarious and spectacular. We had some fun ones last season, and so looking forward to seeing what will come in and we'll listen to it with Josh and Casey and Wanda and to talk about it all with you.

All right, robinswebsite.com slash subscribe to make sure you don't miss any of that. All right, Stephen, Let's then talk about What is going on here tonight because I felt like that this is this episode really encapsulated I think a lot of my post merge Frustration with this season and this has been I thought we were off to such a great start in the pre merge But this postseason okay, we said okay It's a little everybody's a little tight because they just wanna make the merge

and they just wanna make the jury, but I think that we are officially, I'm declaring this season, stuck in the mud. What? No! Yup. Since when? Since, I think since about like four weeks ago, okay? And I really thought that last week when David went home,

it was gonna, okay, finally, all right, the dam has broken that this season is now wide open, but no, we are stuck in Quagmire Giggity. Yeah, we are really just stuck, and it just feels like that now, I think that we might just be in a little bit of a slog to the final four. Yeah, I have to say that the most controlling

and what you typically call the best gameplay often creates the most boring seasons because you do have an episode where it makes so much strategic sense for everybody to turn on the majority group. And yet it doesn't happen because the majority group has done a really, really good job of making everybody feel like they're a part of it.

And they've got that fifth person and that sixth person locked in and thinking, this is my group, I belong here. And those other options are not as viable. Something else we need to talk about is, it seemed like a lot of this did come down to Mitch's read of Star. I mean, Mitch had a really interesting confessional that I know we'll discuss further,

where he says, I'm sure at home you're wondering, what on earth is Mitch doing? Why is he not taking this opportunity? But you can't make those big moves with people you don't trust. We will discuss. Yeah, okay, so I would like to talk through all of the different players and really,

I'd love to talk with you of like, and I wanna be as charitable as possible, what are they thinking? Like, what is their plan? And I'll start off by saying, I have no frustration with Joe and Eva, starting with them. No, they're doing it right.

They're doing everything right. We questioned the move to vote out David last week, but they feel like we have this rock solid alliance. They're not going anywhere. We personally, even me was a little bit like, not such a great idea to vote off David. You're really putting yourself in danger. They're like, Rob. Let us cook

Okay, we got this. I still think nobody here is making a move The fact that it was out there. I do think suggests it was like an unforced error Is that the right terminology? Yeah, okay But like, you know the fact that it was for for the fact that there was this four who knew they were on the bottom. And if they could only have like gotten it together, could have, you know, made their move. And the fact that maybe that even would have happened had Joe not been able to win immunity.

And in fact, although I was kind of surprised that Eva didn't get voted out here, which we can discuss. But yeah, I think like optimal gameplay, not putting out David, but yeah, they had it on lock. Joe and Eva, you get a pass tonight. No issue with what you're doing. Another person, I'm gonna give immunity to Camilla. Camilla has identified her position.

She got offered a chance. Hey, you could be sixth in the you know out of eight people We're offering you you know the sixth maybe fifth if you play your cards, right? Okay, and Camilla's like this is not such a great deal. She's she's working on it. She's pushing for getting the people on the bottom She's trying to get Kyle to come with her and do this. So I will say also, Camilla, I see her. I see what she's doing. She's playing the best game that she can, but if nobody wants to go with like

what she's putting out there, what is she gonna do? So I also will say Camilla, you can join Joe and Eva in you're fine. Although it did seem like at some point Camilla was like, I'm done with this Molly for some, you know. When it wasn't gonna happen, what is she gonna do? Well, she was talking to Mary and then Mary had said like, Mary had like switched the target

and then she was like, forget this. I can't deal with this anymore. Yeah, well, Mary was like, hey, let's vote out Kyle. So that's why Camilla was like, all right, I'm out on that. I'll say Mary also, Mary is in a bad spot coming into this week. She did what she had to do to throw Star under the bus. No issue with Mary.

Wow. I'm really, Shaheen, it's all this heat from you? Okay, well, I guess, and Star, look, Star's doing what she could, she was on the bottom. That's really narrowing down. So I'm gonna say there's three people that I'm going to focus in on. And that's going to be Mitch, that's going to be Kyle, and that's going to be Shaheen. Okay.

And I'm going to address them in order of I think who I have the most questions about. And that's going to start with Mitch. Where Mitch, what's the plan, my guy? Like, okay, this is not my perfect alliance. I don't love working the idea of working with Star. What's the alternative? Where are we going, Mitch? Yeah, look, that's definitely the story of this episode.

And I do think it is going to be to some degree the story of the rest of the season. You know, when, you know, similarly with Ghost Island, we had Donovan and- of this episode and I do think it is going to be to some degree the story of the rest of the season. Similarly with Ghost Island, we had Donathan and Laurel. Yeah, I was gonna say, hey Mitch, Laurel and Donathan called. They want their game back. And that was true of a lot of the classic Survivor seasons too, where you had that person who was self-evidently in fifth place and you're thinking, why is that person not joining people on the bottom and flipping? And again, like that is more, in my mind, that's often more a function

of the control from the coming up from the top. I think we do need to like talk through it from Mitch's perspective. Mitch is clearly aware of, is now the time? Should I just go? Okay. So Mitch has this conventional where he says, where he says, I know that it looks like

I should be doing this. I know that I looks like I should be doing this. I know that I'm at the bottom of this group. Nevertheless. Yeah. But he says, I don't trust Star. If anyone else were coming to me other than Star, now later on, other people do come to him who are not Star and make the same case.

And he still doesn't go along with it. But he says, you can't make a move with people you don't trust. So we're seeing just a tiny fraction of the information. And we also have Joe saying something about Star. It feels like something that the contestants feel about Star is not being translated to us, the viewer. Cause I love Star.

I'm like, if Star wants to blindside someone, I'm in. But there's some reason that Mitch says otherwise. But, so Mitch doesn't want to go with Star. I don't trust Star. I can't work with Star. But what is the plan? Like, what is he feeling like? And maybe, are we not seeing it?

Where is like, is Shaheen telling him, like, hey, that the actual final three is going to be Mitch, it's me, you, and Mary are the final three. Is there some other like a vision that he is being sold that he is waiting on? And if so, like, what is it? Why isn't it part of the show? Why aren't they telling us that part of the story?

Yeah, I mean, this is the challenge. I mean, I was gonna say maybe Mitch thinks he is the fifth place tie break. He's the fifth between two pairs with Joe and Eva. And then Shaheen thinks he has something with Camilla. Maybe Mitch imagines himself in that fifth spot. But the very fact of the Final Four fire making means that a Final Four Alliance

does not ever have to turn itself. Yes, yes. And that is part of what I want to talk about also tonight, where that the I do blame, you know, a couple of the players, but also mostly the Final Four Firemakings existence has made this this group where this is possible, where Joe, Eva, Shaheen, and Kyle can all say, hey, guess what? We're going to stick together and we'll see if that happens. It's looking like it will. We're going to stick together. This is our group and we never have to lie to each other. We never have to turn each other. We love each other. And now let's just now the

next three tribal councils after this now All we have to do is just vote out the the goats that were like want to be in the final four Yeah, I agree and you I mean they have that conversation, you know, we're good You know if it was a final three or a final two they would I mean it is a final three But if there was not that sort of sense of you could go to four then they would have to be jockeying for position within their own group. Right. Instead, they can be complacent. Hey, let's just step down to four. Well, whoever wins, somebody will win immunity.

Then you'll have the chance to make the fire. There's no dishonor in putting people into the fire. That's that. As long as you can make the fire, you could be in the final three. And everybody is content with that deal. And Joe wouldn't even feel like, hey, this is Survivor as it should be played. We're doing it perfect. And it's true. The game is structured so that they're playing it optimally. They've got their four,

and then they have like a six outside of that four, and then they control the whole thing. I mean, really, they are playing it optimally, according to the game they're structured. Like, it doesn't feel that this is how it should be for, you know, we went for the Survivor 48 premiere and there's a whole panel about how the game design, all of the thought and care that's put into having a game design and this is exactly how we want it to be, but it does seem like that there's like a little bit of a hole in the game where that

This group of four can say like, okay our optimal move here is let's all just go to the end together Nobody can stop us Yeah And I mean I think they love and we've talked about how the final four is often just like a big exciting moment And it is and I think you know Probably Jeff and the producers love that big exciting moment and they love that it's a chance for a big exciting moment and it is. And I think, you know, probably Jeff and the producers love that big exciting moment. And they love that it's a chance for a big player and character like Gabler to win his way in.

And on the, but they don't think about the downstream effect of this is like warping the entire merge because now this, these groups don't ever have to worry. Oh my gosh, is Joe coming for me? No, he's not, he has no reason to. And perhaps there could be a moment in the season where maybe it's Kyle who ultimately has his Jesse Lopez moment where he decides he's going to turn

on Joe or maybe Shaheen, who is the person who ends up betraying Joe or Eva or Kyle even to like make some sort of big move to put themselves into the catbird seat but I just feel like that we're not even being fed this story and so I Don't know if I'm necessarily done with Mitch yet at this point but I'd like to shift my attention to Kyle a little bit. Because that I felt like, Stephen, the story that we were getting all season long was Kyle and Camilla are Bonnie and Clyde. Secret alliance, nobody knows about them, this dangerous twosome that everybody's overlooking.

They have the most power in the game because nobody knows just how close Kyle and Camilla are. And I thought coming into this episode tonight, and maybe this is where I have gotten the wrong idea, because I came into this episode with very high expectations of even looking back to my own Survivor game, I feel like, okay, I can see it. You have all these people on the bottom. Here's Kyle. And that nobody knows he's with Camilla And so they feel like hey we have four strong they have four strong and Kyle has this opportunity to

Go with the four and nobody knows he's actually with Camilla and Kyle is going to strike I thought not so much at Joe not so much at Eva I thought that Kyle was going to pick up these people on the bottom with Camilla and they were gonna vote out Shaheen and then basically now have five against the two of Joe and Eva after this episode. But we saw Kyle say, hey, you know what? I really like the four. I like Camilla, I'll see if I can get you into the five.

But yeah, that's really all I can do. Like I won't sell you out, but that's really, that's all I can do. And it's like, wait, what happened to this is my final two? This was my person. Yeah, and I mean, he says I can now turn on Joe. You know, our bond has gone past the game. And you know, I think the jury will be mad at me

if I do something to hurt Joe's feelings. And I totally understand that Kyle and Joe like have this bond, but I thought Kyle and Camilla had that bond. Yeah, well, it's interesting because I mean, I do think like, and I really respect, I mean, I think this is one of the challenges of playing Survivor and I think like it speaks to Kyle's

like warmth and depth as a human that he's able to say, in this game I also value like kindness and the bonds I'm building. And to me like that's what makes this a good survivor season. I know you're saying it's, we're in the quagmire, but like that's what I miss about Survivor is the tension between I have like a human feeling towards a person and at the same time there's this game.

I have like a human duty towards other humans, actually in this, the Clock Tower Con, not to bring everything back to the Clock Tower Con, the Final Three Con, but Emily Flippen and I had this exact debate where she said, no, you're in a game. You have to be a purely mercenary creature. Like, you know, and I took the other side, like, you know, yes, you play the game, but you also like have, you know,

a human duty because like everything you do is part of life. And I am on your side in that argument. I don't think that it's, hey, we're just, it's human chess and you're just playing a game. But I think that what I think is compelling about Survivor and what has always been is that you are playing a game and you have these human connections, but you have to still make the game decisions.

And can you compartmentalize the human parts of that? And so for Kyle, just as, in terms of the story that I felt like that we were getting this season of Kyle and Camilla's bond, and they were this secret pair that was going to run the game, it just really felt like that Kyle made a choice that I felt like was incongruent with the story that we had gotten all season about Kyle and Camilla.

I thought it was cool. I have to say how Kyle made the point. I think survivors of gameplay at the margins. I think you give a little nudges here and there. I think that's very true. And I thought it was really cool the way he did it for Camilla by taking those specific people on reward in order that it for Camilla by taking those specific people on reward in order that the group Camilla most needed to recruit would be like the most worked up and

pissed off and willing to vote with her. I thought that was a really cool thing where he's like, I'm not going to co-sign this, but I'm going to like, I'm going to ease your way. And I thought that was kind of neat. I don't really know if I've seen that before on survivor, but where I'm not like in your, I'm not going not gonna make this move with you, but I will make this move easier for you. Yeah, it just felt like it was kind of a half measure for me of that Kyle, like we got it from his confessionals in this episode, it seems like he wants to go

to a Final Four with Joe and Eva and Shaheen, which I do not think is a winning Final Four for Kyle. Right, well that's interesting. I mean, wouldn't you, I mean, even if you're Kyle, don't you think you are actually helped by being at the final three with like Joe and Eva? Like Joe and Eva who have sort of like, I mean, I don't know.

Why would I vote for Kyle if he goes to the final four with Joe and Eva? I would say- I think David's not voting for Joe. Well, okay, maybe David's not voting for Joe. Is Chrissy voting for Joe? Maybe not Chrissy. I don't know, maybe he picks up, maybe he picks up.

Is Mitch voting for Joe? I think, okay, but I would say as a juror, the question I would say to Kyle was like, what did you do? Right, yeah. Like, it seems like that, you know, you followed Joe the whole game. Joe was the one who kind of led this group here.

And maybe Kyle's like, well, I got David voted out and he may be able to, well, like he is somebody who I think could really put together a great, as a lawyer, a great jury presentation. But I think that that would be a question that he would have to answer of like, why would I vote for you instead of Joe, who like, this was really Joe's game that you went along with.

But I wonder if there's enough personal animosity to Joe here as like, as this type, you know? You know, we see David feel it competitively towards him. We see Chrissy feel that animosity. You know, I think Kyle, if Camilla's on the jerk, it probably can on Camilla's vote. You know, I mean, maybe, you know, Mary, we saw the interesting conversation

between Mary and Joe, which we should talk about, but like where I don't think that made Mary and Joe vote. I think if anything, maybe you have the opposite effect. I think that there could be enough people who feel burned by Joe. And you see that like, I mean, South Pacific, right? Like these figures who lead these kind of like onion alliances, there's so much animosity towards it.

I'm not comparing Joe and coach, and obviously like Sophie played an exceptional game that season, but there's a lot of like, that season was a lot of like anti-coach vote. And I can see the same thing kind of happening to Joe. Now, there is also a world where if perhaps there is a move that could come at seven and not necessarily the move that's coming at eight.

And if that's the case next week, then, you know, I owe everybody an apology for talking this way. But what is the move that it doesn't I'm just not getting the sense that they're not like, hey, it's too early to make the move that it really seems like from and we heard Kyle, the person in this episode who said that like, no, I don't think I want to make the move So you could definitely argue where that they don't necessarily need star You know you could you could do this same move next episode where it's Mary Mary Camilla Mitch and Kyle that that or Shaheen Camilla Mary and Kyle as our or Shaheen Mary Camilla, Mary and Kyle. I'm sorry, or Shaheen, Mary, Kyle.

I'm sorry, the people on the bottom. Yeah. With Shaheen or Kyle, one of them could do it. It's Mary, Camilla and Mitch are the three people that are on the bottom. I don't know if Camilla would go without Kyle on a vote like that, but she probably should at this point if Kyle's not really willing to hold the door open for her

to be able to get to the final four. She has to do what she needs to do to win the game. But it really is feeling like that it's not later, it's never. Yeah. And I wonder how much of it is just a compressed time. Like even this episode, like if they had not, if Mary had not switched it to Kyle,

do you think they could have gotten on board like a Shaheen vote? Like why? Who is the Shaheen vote? I mean, Mitch, Mary, Camilla and- Star? And Star, yeah. I don't know if they would have,

well, Mitch was not gonna do that. And Mitch went right back to Shaheen. He ratted out the four to Shaheen, right? Immediately, didn't even contemplate it. And you could read his body language. Like at no point was he really considering it. You got it a little bit from in his confessional, like, hey, well, maybe I should do that.

But it seemed like that maybe that was more answering a producer question than him actually contemplating going with that group. So I don't know what Mitch sees as unless Mitch feels like, hey, I'm the gonna beast out in the challenges that all I need to do is to get the six and I'll win at six. I'll win at five and then I'll make the fire and then I'll be the Gabler who sneaks into the final three. That's my- Maybe that is what he's hoping for. I mean, but that's the problem.

Like that is what everyone's hoping for in that situation. It's like you delude yourself into thinking like something magical is going to work out. As long as I'm, I mean, it's like, you know, famously the strategy, right? As long as it's not me, but like, you know, everyone that can't be that that way for everybody, you know, and everyone kind of thinks, well, maybe tomorrow things will magically shift. Maybe the game will change. Maybe maybe like something will go

my way tomorrow in spite of the game state today. And like Sandra said, as long as it's not me, but she was pushing and moving and you know, she was moving the pieces. She was like instrumental in a lot of the key votes of both of her, you know, the season she won. It wasn't like she was just like passively on the sidelines, letting other people determine her fate. I want to talk about Shaheen also. I'm a little bit, uh, I don't know what Shaheen is doing.

I don't know what his plan is. It looks like at different points during the season he has been flirting with some of these pieces at the bottom and it seemed like that he really did Go out of his way to really make the vote off tonight be star instead of Mary It seemed like that Mary was a piece that he wanted to pick up even though Mary was a little bit, and Mary kind of pushed back on it, like, wait, hold on, I was the person who was manipulating David?

And I know that's what we saw in the episode, but maybe that that's like, we're getting that in the episode because that's what the players are seeing. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, that was a very interesting conversation too. I actually thought this was not a great episode for Joe. I mean, certainly it showed how Joe has a lock on the group,

but we also saw a lot of,, I mean, it's hard. Cause like you could say it was hubris for him to be like, I'm so comfortable, my alliance is strong, but he was right. That's not hubris if it's like just an accurate statement of the facts. You know, my, can we talk about edit for a second? Of course.

Okay. I went, you know, I tried to wait until we were like 30, 40 minutes in, I guess we're 25 minutes in. Can I still? Okay. I've been saying I do think Joe is going to win. And it's funny, you know, Heather Cannon, who I think is a really astute observer of the editing of the show, was saying, well, if Joe is going to win, you know, typically we'd see someone, you know, in these seasons when you have this dominant player kind of like stomped to victory, you rather than having like a clear antagonist, you typically see

like a narrative of like how the other players are screwing it up, and how they're like making huge mistakes. And as of last week, we hadn't really seen that. So maybe Joe wasn't going to win. But certainly, that was the story of this episode, how the other players, you know, who know enough to stop Joe, are just failing to get it together to do that. Yeah. So it does feel like that we are back on board to like this Joe dominant steam roll and we'll see. I just would like to see the other players doing more to try to stop it.

If Joe wins, great for Joe, but it just feels like everybody else is being very passive this season. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, it is interesting. I mean, what, you know, certainly in the last episode or two, we see them kind of moving at the sidelines, but we don't see them trying to really disturb that,

you know, that core group. But Joe winning immunity, I do think, you know, for us it's like, oh, Joe, Eva, Shaheen, Kyle, that's core group. But Joe and the immunity, I do think, for us it's like, oh, Joe, Eva, Shaheen, Kyle, that's the group. But for them, it's all individuals, right? They know Joe is connected to Eva, but also Shaheen is connected to Camilla and Mary's got a relationship with whomever else.

So it's like, we see them as blocks and if you can't shoot into Joe, why not go for Camilla? I'm sorry, why not go for Eva? Why not go for, you know, Shane? But like, from their perspective, it's all individual relationships. And like Joe, as long as Joe's immune, they can't really go for Joe. Let's talk about that. Oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, I really thought that coming into the episode, and especially in the first five, 10 minutes, I really thought that Eva was going to be the person to go home. Once

I did too, Eva Eva go and have the conversation With Mary to tell her hey Mary. I just want to tell you I'm a straight shooter and You're not in the Alliance and you're not in our plans Yeah, but as a straight shooter if it's going to be you I will tell you when it will be you Because that's that's how I'm playing the game. I thought that, and then she was like, I'm not gonna give you any of my equipment, none of my hardware, I will do nothing to save you.

I will give you nothing, I will not play the idol on you. Traditionally, and maybe this is like, hey, the survivor has zigged when we're expecting them to zag, you get that scene in an episode and it's like, buh-bye. Yeah, yeah. But then Joe had a very similar conversation with Harry where he was like, I'm just gonna tell you

cause one of us is gonna be on the jury and it could be either of us, but here's your position in the game. Nobody likes you. We all think you were manipulating David. You drove him crazy. And that's just me just telling you that so that you vote for me when you're on the jury.

A little strange, it was a strange conversation. And that's sort of why I thought like it was an unusual, like Joe seemed to be showing hubris, but like, is there a world where it is Eva, Joe, and a third person and the third person wins because everyone's like, I don't wanna vote for one of them. I mean, it certainly could be that.

I just feel like that Joe is such a likable person where, yes, that there is, like, and Eva might say, hey, vote for Joe, when we get to the final three. So I don't think that Eva is going to steal votes from Joe. I think that we've seen that Joe is very well-liked by a lot of people. Yes, there are people that are on the bottom who are salty, but they may come to terms

with like, hey, Joe did what he said he was going to do. Like maybe I didn't love how he went about it, but he won. He's won what three immunities already. If Joe goes on to win five immunities or like puts himself into the fire so Eva doesn't have to do it. And like all of the things that he's done done like I really do feel like that the jury will have a hard time awarding it to someone else when they have not actually made like this strategic move or did anything like to go back to heroes versus villains which we're rewatching on the patron feed, where Sandra wins against Parvati and Russell. Like, at least Sandra could say like, hey, I tried to tell you, none of you listened to me.

It wasn't like that it was Danielle who was sitting with Parvati and Russell at the end, and they decided to give them, like, okay, well, I'm gonna give it to the other person that was with, you know, and obviously, Danielle's not with them the whole way. But you know what I mean? It's like, I'm just like, okay, they're a pair.

I'm gonna give it to the person who wasn't in the pair, but was still with them every step of the way. Exactly, was nevertheless a part of every single part of it. Yeah. Rob, so you said you were gonna focus on three people. You said it was gonna be Mitch, we talked about Mitch. You said it was gonna be Kyle, we talked about Kyle. You said it was gonna be Shaheen.

We haven't really talked about Shaheen. I started talking a little bit about, okay, so Shaheen worked to try to pick up Mary, and it seemed like that Shaheen, we heard him talk about Say along the way, we've seen him try to pick up Camilla. It does seem as though that he is talking to and engaging with these people,

but not Starr, he was mad at Starr because Starr voted for him at the last tribal council. And so Starr was kind of out and he really did lead the charge of like, okay, let's get Starr out. We saw that he has a relationship with Mitch, but to me, it almost feels like that. Is this jury management more so than it is that he is building an army?

Yeah, I mean, I thought it was him kind of like just wanting, you know, it was the Cisternino strategy of, I wanna have as many of the floaters kind of a lie to me. So when it's time to make my move, then I have that sort of capacity. But then, yeah, like when is that time going to be? And I think you're right, if it's not next week, when is it?

And, you know, this was really the week. But, you know, I thought if this week benefited anyone, it's like, well, I guess we'll get into this. We'll talk about this when we talk about the fishy. But yeah, I didn't think this was necessarily a bad week for Shaheen because his alliance stayed intact, someone he didn't have a connection with was voted out, who had been throwing his name out.

Yeah, I didn't think it was as bad for him. No, I didn't think it was, I would rank it Mitch, then big gap to Kyle, and then like a smaller gap to Shaheen. It's just that I don't know what the play is for Shaheen. Is he playing to be that person who gets to the final three with Joe and Eva and then have better jury relationships. Is that the game that he's playing? They all seem to be playing that game.

And it's really funny. It's just like so in your face. I mean, I just wanna go back to this Mitch thing because I feel like we have not totally talked through the core of Mitch's challenge. Like giving Mitch grace here, taking Mitch's, what Mitch says as being his true

perception of the game. I can't make a move with people I don't trust. Is that true Rob? Like, it's the new era baby. You got to make a move here. Like for like, just to like look at like the risk assessment for Mitch. Okay. I can't go to, like I can tie this up four-four. Now, we thought that the thesis was, hey, if the four people on the bottom, like will the alliance of four, the strong four, will they go to rocks? I thought that it would before this is the week four. Is Mace going to rocks?

Well, apparently not. But I think that they had nothing to lose. Whereas the strong four maybe felt like that they maybe had more to lose. I do think that the loyalty and integrity part of that alliance, I do think that they probably do end up going to rocks. And so Joe ends up having immunity. So I'm not sure necessarily who they put, I don't know, I guess it could go sideways if Eva plays her idol also, or safety without power would actually really backfire.

I mean, if they could somehow get- Well, isn't next week the last week she can do it? It's final seven, right? Am I mistaken? I'm not sure, but if they could somehow get Eva not to play the idol, but to do safety without power, and then- She might do it next week just to like do it. Well, but they would lose her number also. So that they would.

Well that's what I'm saying, it could be a big moment. Yeah, I mean, if there was some way to do that where it just felt like that the off ramp for Kyle was, okay, well, I have this relationship with Joe, what if we took out Shaheen? Like that to me just like was the, like I didn't think that he would necessarily have the heart to blindside Joe, but to blindside Shaheen, I could have seen him doing that.

I don't think that would be good for Kyle in this spot. At eight to team up with Mitch and Mary. I mean, Camilla, he trusts, but the other two, he don't. He's extremely well insulated here, right? He's like part of this big group that's running the show. Why would you then be like, I'm going to blow up my big group that's running the show, why would you then be like, I'm gonna blow up my big group that's running the show and go with these people, they'll turn on me next episode. He could do it next time. The thing that bothered me about Kyle in this episode was the fact that he really sold to me,

the viewer, that he would never do this. Like I could see the argument to do it at seven instead of eight, but that he really made it sound like that I cannot go against Joe in any capacity in the game. And so I think Shaheen then has Elaine to be able to do that, but it does not seem like that he is willing to do this either. Yeah, I mean, it will be interesting. I mean, seven, as you've said many times, is a classic moment for a survivor blindside. It'll be interesting to see if anything happens next week. If not.

You asked about Mitch and just to talk it through from Mitch's perspective, okay. So like, I guess if they put what? The other side puts four votes on Star and then now their side puts four votes on Shaheen, okay? And now ultimately, assuming Eva doesn't play her idol, the people that are drawing the rocks are going to be Eva Kyle Camilla Mitch and Mary so in that instance it ends up being a one in five shot for Mitch

There's only a 40% chance that somebody is gonna pull the wrong rock from the other side There's a non-zero chance that Shaheen or Kyle could flip away. Well, I guess not Shaheen because of the votes. The votes on Shaheen. So like could, could Camilla like convince Kyle to like, could Kyle like, like Hayden in the beginning of blood versus water when he votes out Brad Culpepper, just be like, Hey, I didn't want to go to rocks, man. Like, what do you want? What do you want from me? Yeah. I didn't turn on Joe.

I just like, I love Shaheen, but I didn't want to draw a rock. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I don't think that's a crazy scenario. I just feel like Joe and Eva are so like, you know, their whole persona is chest something. The idea that like the weak alliance has that the strong alliance has that the strong

alliance will be the one to flip. I don't see that. Could Kyle, that had been an off ramp for Kyle also to flip that, hey, I didn't want to go to Rox. Maybe I just feel like he is less likely to be that person than any of the people in the, and maybe that was part of Mitch's rationale too. It's not like he's saying, I don't trust these people. That's not just, I don't trust these people. We have the numbers, I'm not gonna make a vote. They have a tie.

They don't have the numbers. Like, is it gonna be, like you're asking Mitch to go to rocks to protect Star. Like you're asking him to draw a random rock to protect someone. I mean, it's not like they, if I flip, we get it. We're suddenly we're in control. It's like, if I flip, I have like a one in six shot

of random, oh no, one in five, 20% shot of randomly being pulled from the game. But it's like, we're in a world where, Mitch, there's no great options, okay? But there's next week. I mean, no, but surely, like seven is, seven is always a good option. Sure, okay, there's seven,

but what's happening at seven is the question. Maybe that's, I mean, I guess we'll find out, but I'm not all in on Mitch messed this up because I do think saying go to rocks for people you don't even necessarily believe in, and it's not just do I trust them for a vote, it's like, if this is my new group, like are we really riding to four together?

What bothered me about it was that Mitch was so indignant about the whole thing. It's like, what? I would go, why would I do this? Why would I go with them? I'm not going with them. Why would I? It's like, well, Mitch, what is the plan?

Where are you going, Mitch? What is the thing? Where it's like, hey, I wouldn't do this now because I would do... I have this other plan going on. We've been hearing Mitch for weeks say, we don't have the numbers! We don't have the numbers! We can't make a move! I was like, all right, well then that's going to be your final words in the game. It's going to be the stuff you're towards. You're like, we right, well then that's gonna be your final words in the game. It's gonna be the stuff you're towards. You're like, we didn't have the numbers. Like, okay, but at some point, like, do something. Yeah, and I do think that that is going to be like Mitch's,

it looks like that as Mitch's story. It's like the Donathan story of, you know, you just were waiting for your chance the whole game and it passed you by. I do think that probably is Mitch's story. Yeah, and I don't know if, you know, in football, like they don't throw a Hail Mary because it's a high percentage play.

Because it's like the only chance left to win the game. So it's not quite that for Mitch. And I guess there is the possibility that he could go on this comp run or that he's being sold a bill of goods by Shaheen that, hey, listen, we're gonna vote out Kyle coming up at the final. Trust me, I've got a big move coming.

Just sit tight, don't do anything. But it just feels like that we're being sold the story that he's been sold, that he's getting to fifth, and then I think he's just like, hey, and then from there, I'm just gonna win out. Who is out next? Is it Mary or is it Mitch? In all likelihood.

I'm trying to think. I didn't pay close attention to the preview, so I don't know what's gonna happen, but it does feel like that we're headed towards Mary getting voted out next. Yeah, I mean, that certainly seems to be what it would be. Yeah, so we'll see. Yeah, and then what do you think happens at six?

So let's presume that it is Mary next week. Is final six the finale? No, final five. Yeah, I mean, I really think that there's, you know, they're gonna be like, oh, we gotta get Joe and Joe's gonna win immunity again. Could Joe break this, could Joe hit six immunity wins? I think he certainly could.

That would be exciting. I guess. I mean, it's a pretty competitive field. It's not like Joe is winning against people, like against me, you know? He's winning against people who are pretty stacked. But I think that like, they were concerned about Mary winning immunity.

So, okay, Mary, if she, unless Mary, like I guess Mary could win immunity at seven and then it's sort of like, you know, a little bit like She-An and Survivor All-Stars who won immunity at seven where it's like, ha ha, like you can't get me, I want immunity. And then ultimately, I think they go to Mitch where that Camilla is not a threat to win immunities

like Mitch is, who was really so good in the challenges in the pre-merge. So I think that Mitch could end up getting burned here by a Mary immunity win. Yeah, I would do, or even not. I mean, if it's me in that dominant spot, you are removing the people who are most likely to win immunity. I definitely think you vote out Mitch above Mary.

I mean, like, it seems like maybe they feel like Mary's more of a troublemaker, you know, but- But to who? She has nobody. Well, but my thought was that the reason that Shaheen, you know, pushed for star to get voted out was because he thinks maybe there is, you know, he's keeping his options open.

Options open for what? We'll find out, but you know, there are options. Yeah. So we don't know. I mean, I don't mind if it, like, if it doesn't pan out, but they're not even teasing us with anybody else having a plan. we don't know. I mean, I don't mind if it doesn't pan out, but they're not even teasing us with anybody else having a plan. Yeah, I know. I mean, that would be,

I do feel like the Kyle Camilla duo is meant to be kind of like the last antagonist for the Joe stop. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just feel like the Kyle just is like, well, okay, I've sort of moved on from that. You're like, you're my friend from elementary school,

but I'm in middle school now and I'm here. I'm at the cool kid table, Camilla. We can be secret friends, but maybe you could sit at the next table over. Yeah, I mean, and it's true. And it really has changed from more of a duo with Kyle and Camilla, where it really felt like they were working beautifully together. So like duo with Kyle and Camilla, where it really felt like

they were working beautifully together. So like, even when like Camilla talks about it, she's like, yeah, like, you know, Kyle like feeds me info, what helps me with the votes and I chip in where I can. You know, it feels like she, like, it's much more like Kyle's definitely in the dominant position in that duo. And I mean, surely he knows it, but he seems like, what's cool is like, he seems to like really honor

that relationship anyway. Yeah, to Steven, I just felt like that this was like the A story of the season. I felt like that they were like the Steven and JT of this season. And it's sort of like- No, it turns out Eva and Joe are the Steven and JT. Sure, but there were like, there were two duos.

There was the very public duo and the very private duo. I just feel like that the very private duo has kind of fizzled. Yeah. Sad. Yeah. Sad. Yeah, but we'll see. I mean, there may be one last gasp. Let's talk about something

that's gonna be very tricky this week, Rob. Yes. Fisheye Award. Okay, all right. We'll jump into it. Oh, was I jumping the gun on that? I had one other thing if we- Oh, let's talk about one other thing. I didn't mean to jump the gun.

And that's a teaser. I feel like that the show was giving us the story that Star went home because she did not play the shot in the dark. Oh yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Let's talk about that. Yes, I do think that was sort of what the story, we were being fed that.

I mean, Jeff even says- Can you believe she didn't play the shot in the dark? Jeff says, if you knew a thousand percent you were getting voted out, why would you not play your shot in the dark tonight Jeff says if you knew a thousand percent you were getting voted out why would you not play a shot in the dark tonight? Like he like is feeding it to her. I'm sorry was that Jeff said that or uncle JP? Uncle JP said that that's true. Yeah that's a new one uncle JP. She's gold. She's TV gold. I mean the rap confessional, I mean. Amazing.

No, she's amazing. Nobody's ever done this before. Yeah, everything she got, she gave was phenomenal. Yeah, so what about Star playing the shot in the dark or not playing the shot in the dark tonight? Do you feel like that is their, what's the greater percentage play? Oh, we should also talk about the vote split too.

Yeah, tell me about the vote, because who were the three votes? Well, it's interesting. tell me about the vote. Cause who were the three votes? Well, it's interesting. It's all the people on the bottom were the three votes. So the three votes were Mary, Mitch and Star for, I'm sorry, that doesn't work out. Camilla, yeah, Camilla, Mitch and Star were the Mary votes. And all the people on the top were the Star votes.

So I do feel like because I was like, that's initially I was like, that's a very dangerous choice to split a vote. You know, when you have this potential insurgency, because that's where things go wrong, right? You do a suddenly like they only need to get, you know, fewer votes, I guess, five, five, well, if they split flip there, you know, but it turned out that they were not even part of the main vote, right? They kind of like gave

the people who were on the outside of the onion, the decoy votes, which is smart. That's what you wanna do. That is smart. Okay, and maybe they were thinking for, maybe they didn't want Star to play her shot in the dark, so maybe they fed her just enough to say like, hey, it could be Mary, it's gonna be close.

Yeah, right, you don't wanna mess this up. Yeah, like Shaheen is like, hey, like, look, it could go either way. So I'm just telling you, like I think they need your vote tonight. Yeah, yeah. It's a split and we don't know which one's gonna go. Yeah, you might be right about that.

I think that's probably true. I mean, I believe that, you know, Mitch and Camilla knew who the actual target was. I believe this was like a planned split and not confusion. Yeah. Okay. Stephen, and then prior to this point in the game,

was there a point where the other players could have gone a different direction that would have stopped this from happening? Or did this thing just snowball from the merge? Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm trying to think. Like where was, I mean, there was just that, there was that time when the SEVA 5 talked

and they're like, this is it for us. Like, this is our line in the sand. And that might've been the only other point, but like those people didn't like each other. You know, they didn't want to work together. David didn't want to work with, I guess Chrissy probably, right? Although, wouldn't David and Chrissy align at one point?

They were in an alliance at the beginning of the year. Yeah, I think it was really like the Joe and Eva and David formed a bond at the swap. They, David came in to go and work with Joe post-merge and then everything was just like a steamroll from that point on because they had like all of this power consolidated in the middle with this big group with Joe and Shaheen and David and Eva and Kyle. And because of that, none of the other people on the bottom were able to. They went after Charity right when they got to the merge.

Then they took out Sey and Cedric, who were also sort of like outside of the, like where the power was. And then we, you know, they came back together. And then once David was not gonna go back with Siva, they took out Chrissy and that's it. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of David, I wanna give David props

for really bringing back Bitterjur. He's really serving Bitter juror on that jury bench. Yeah. He really is serving a lot of like big scowls. He's very angry on the jury. So maybe that could be like part of the story as we get to later on where like we could get a fiery speech from David. Oh yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, in his exits, didn't he, was it called like Joe Week or something?

You know, it was, I thought David was gonna be like a solid Joe vote, but maybe not. Maybe he's, you know. Yeah, I saw that. Maybe he votes for Eva, because we saw a lot about the Eva-Joe bond. David could be a G. He did come in pretty salty about Joe in his exit press.

All right, Steven, this is gonna be maybe a tricky one this week. Let's find out where Stephen fishback wants to go with the most coveted award in all of podcasting the fishy. And the sounds of my wildest fishing. Yeah, all right. Stephen. Okay. I do think this is a tricky one. I do think this is a tough one. This is gonna be the difficult one.

Now I did toy with the idea and we don't really do this anymore because we're, you know, kinder, as a kinder older dad now, you know, I see the humanity in everybody, or I didn't before. And thinking of giving this is just just putting this out there before we talk through the other ones are rotten fishy

to Mitch for blowing maybe the only opportunity he would have to take power in the game mm-hmm yeah so good I think we've we've talked it through like I feel like that that this is not necessarily, it's not 11.59 on the clock yet for Mitch. That's my argument. Yeah, I just wanted to raise, put it out there. It's on the docket. I do feel like that my biggest gripe with Mitch was just the overall attitude of just being

so beside himself. Of like, what? I would never vote with Starr. Like, but what is your other option, Mitch? So then there's Mary, I guess. I mean, Mary looks like she's gonna be the target. You know, she gets it off herself. Sort of, you know, she does seem to get it off herself.

She manages to like, you know, and does seem to get it off herself. She manages to like, you know, and that's been how Mary has survived. You know, she's been a consistent target and she's managed to keep on- That's not a bad selection. I think it might be Mary. The other options are Shaheen, who, you know, pushes to keep Mary over Star,

I think because he sees Mary as more of a potential ally than Star down the road. And then of course, Jeeva themselves for, and especially Joe. Do not get out two fishies in this episode. But I said it was Jeeva, it was not to Joe or Eva. No, to Joe for just this maintaining dominance. But honestly, in this case, I mean, like, and we do see Joe, But honestly, in this case, I mean, like,

and we do see Joe, you know, and that group building that trust, you know, and that takes a lot of work to, you know, we're like blaming Mitch for not flipping, but I always give credit to the people on the top for making the Mitch's feel like they're a part of it. You know, like credit to Joe for like building that bond. You know, credit to Shaheen who we see, you know,

having a nice conversation with Mitch. I do probably think Mary is the right choice here. It looked like she was gonna be a target. She managed to get it off herself. Yeah. Brava. All right. If I may, can I stump for Joe? Oh yeah, stump.

I feel like give the fishing to Joe every single week until he wins the game. Because nobody is making, he has these people like in a choke hold, that they're all afraid to do anything, and that he's got Kyle, he's got Shaheen, he's got Eva, and that these four people, or these three people, that they're not even contemplating

Taking a shot against him. He did win immunity once again And because he keeps this group together even like when Kyle didn't pick Him to go on the reward in this episode like he was like, alright, I'm just gonna tell myself like I'm just gonna babysit I'm just gonna do damage control like he didn't like do anything to sort of like Unsettle his alliance or didn't do anything to sort of like provoke Kyle into thinking of a different way So I would I think Mary is good, but I think I think I probably would have gone Joe All right, you talked me into it Rob. It's Joe. I think you're right I think I mean this mean, this whole episode of No No.

With all due respect for Mary, don't come for me, Mary, and end me on Twitter, please. I tried, Mary. I did my best, but Rob, talk me out of it. No, this whole episode we've been talking about, even just seconds ago, I was talking about how you really have to credit the people on the top when the people on the bottom don't flip

because it does take an awful lot of work to do it. Joe's putting in the work and he deserves the fishy. Okay, Steven, anything else about episode number 10? Let me see what we got here. I mean, we talked about David, we talked about this guy, who from this group? Do you see I really like the game that Kyle's playing? You're saying like, what's he doing? Like, why is he not making moves? Why is he not supporting Camilla more? I really like this subtle game of you know

Pushing here and giving you know giving hints there like to me that is really good survivor And I feel like for me if anyone from this cast is in the mix 450 It probably is and maybe should be Kyle and I wanted to know how you felt about that. A, like just watching the show. B, if there's somebody else you think should be in the mix 450. And C, I wanna hear about that. Two of anybody next.

Is he in the mix? Three is, is he in the mix 450? Do we know? I don't know. Okay, let me, I'll speak to Kyle. And I do think that there is like an opportunity for Kyle where we did see him play You know a very strategic game or earlier on and maybe a little bit more willing to Take some chances. I was very I very much enjoyed everything that him and Camilla were doing early on

I do think that if Kyle ends up winning the game I feel like it's a little bit more of like an Ethan's on type game where he sort of like is like right there With Lex and of course it was a final two at that time So it's like I think he is positioned well where if something happens to Joe like if the shot does come for Joe I think that Kyle is positioned well to be able to he doesn't have enemies on the jury and he's able to come in and win the game if he ends up getting to the final three in a world without Joe but I feel like that in terms of like having a signature move yeah he played the idol earlier on in the season on the Thomas vote and I guess that would be and and the I guess

the David vote also, but then it was also like sort of like a co-move with Shaheen also. So I feel like that... That was last week. That was last week. He pushed, he did that. I felt like that was a Kyle move.

Yeah. To me, I feel like that... Soon we forget. I could see it. I feel like that to me, he would not be a no-brainer based off of this particular point. Does not mean that there isn't something that he could do the next couple of weeks

to be able to be a no-brainer by the end of this. As far as if I could pick somebody that maybe, I would not mind getting to see Camilla in another, get another opportunity. Maybe it's not 50. I thought Camilla in another, get another opportunity. Maybe it's not 50. I thought Camilla was gonna be strong, but she's kind of like, you know, I mean, and maybe it's just the situation she's in,

but, and she tried this episode. She really did try to get something together. But what I love is that she's so resourceful, and she's always like, she's still like thinking, and it's like, it's, you know, I guess you could say like, okay, everything that happens on Survivor is your fault, but like, she's like, I have a lot of ideas, but she just doesn't have the social capital to be able to make these moves.

That's where Kyle was supposed to come in. And Kyle is not being able to execute on the moves. And with all due respect to Kyle, that's not how he sees his game the best, but it just seems like that there was some magic there that we've like gotten away from. You know what we didn't talk about? Here's a mistake was that, you know,

given that Mitch does perceive Star in some kind of way, Camilla should have been the one to talk to Mitch first, right? It sounded like Mitch initially rejected the idea because it was coming from Star. So why did Camilla not be the person to talk to Mitch? Cause they have the, they were on SEVA together, you know, they've been together the longest.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we didn't see it, but maybe because that's what- But Mitch says like, if anyone had come with to me with this idea, I would be giving it more credibility than Star. Yeah, and maybe the issue with Star for some of these other players is that, you know, and Star, you know,

talked about how like that she's such a straight shooter that like there's not a lot of deceptiveness in her game. So when Star isn't on a plan, like everybody knows like what Star is up to. So maybe people are like, well, I'm not gonna work with Star. They should blow up my whole game. Yeah, I mean, there's, I mean, she was,

she didn't give away her idol to, you know, to Eva. Yeah, boy, no, really, Yeah, I mean, she did give away her idol to Eva. Yeah, boy, no, really, no, you know, I really appreciate you, Stark. And I like, she gave the idol to Eva. Eva's like, I got you, I got you. And then it's like, easy come, easy go. Yeah, I had you, there was a moment. In hindsight, was that a mistake?

I would say so. Yeah. Yeah, I'll ask Star about that tomorrow. There was a moment. In hindsight, was that a mistake? I would say so. Yeah. Yeah. I'll ask Jar about that tomorrow. All right. Steven, anything else on your mind? No. I'm surprised we got as much content from this.

I thought this was gonna be a shame. Yeah, it was a little hot tonight. Love to see it, you know? Love to see you coming hot. I don't wanna say that the season is a lost cause, but I stand by what I said, that the season is stuck in the mud, and we're like, we're hitting the gas,

but it's just like the wheels. I miss this kind of like boring episode. You know, it's like we haven't seen a boring stomp in a long time, I don't mind. Yeah. We have like a. Not every episode has to be a reversal on a blind side. Not every episode. That's boring to me.

But I wanna see more of everybody like trying and not just like so much running out the clock. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Oh, what about the rice negotiation? That's just totally, Jeff's like, hey, you got three? I'm like, nah.

I'm like, okay, all right, moving on. Yeah. What, he's not even stabbing the bag anymore? I'm surprised they even showed that. Yeah. Like, hey, anybody want it? Like, no I'm surprised they even showed that. Yeah. Like, hey, anybody want it? Like, no. All right, we're good.

Yeah. I think that maybe that this was, to do it on, what is it, day 19? There's seven days left to get the rice? Like, eh? Yeah. You know? We're in the final eight here.

Yeah. Yeah, you gotta do it earlier when there's like, I think maybe they waited a little too long. All right. Steven, let's talk about what else is coming up here on RHAP if you don't mind. Okay, all right. We told you about the Wandoff. Let's hear some Wandoffs.

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There you go. All right, Steven, what else is going on for you? Honestly, nothing. Okay. Yeah. But. Nothing. What about as a person? Oh, as a person. No, you know, kids are great. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, having a great time with the kids and the family. It's very fun.

No rotten fishies in life. No rotten fishies. No, things are really good. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here to talk about episode 10 of Survivor 48. I'll be back tomorrow to talk with Star and then a podcast with Caleb to talk about it all. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.