RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 48 Ep 5

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Today, Rob and special guest, Omar Zaheer discuss Survivor 48 episode 5.

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only at McDonald's for a limited time. Didn't really win the game at all. Survival, no way at all Survival, no way at all Survival, no know it all. That's right. So Rob Cicernino back here with a scab know it all. We're so happy to have here with us our great friend. Omar's here. Omar, how are you?

I am doing fantastic. Thank you for having me here. And thank you for replacing Stephen Fishback with me. That's okay. Well, look, Steven is vacationing with the Glitterati this week on Spring Break, while the rest of us are just schlepping away, doing the podcast, working our tails off

to talk about a very interesting night of Survivor. As we, do we conclude the pre-merge tonight, or is Mergetory the end of the pre merge Well firstly Stevens not coming back from a ski trip by the way. Yeah, okay. All right It's just me, but you I think this is this is the end of the pre merge. This is this bullshit of merge at ori It's a merge. Yeah, it's like this is the end of the pre merge, and then we have one week. That's like nothing They have no buffs. There's no word for it It's just merge at ori, and then we have the post merge coming up after that But yeah, who invented merge at ori again was that Xander?

I've heard it both ways anyway, so yeah interesting night, and I was prepared for just but a couple of minutes ago I'm like okay. Well. I got to give out the here. Steven's not here, but this is an easy one. Fishy for Bianca. She played this beautifully. Well done, Bianca. Ready to go. And then I was as surprised as she was when she got voted out. Firstly, you have the audacity to tell me that you were going to get out the fishy. This is my week.

Oh, you get to give out the fishy? You never give it out. I'm giving it out. It's the Zahiro or the Zuri. Either or. Don't give it out yet. Don't give it out yet. We do have to end the show now.

I have a lot to say about the fishy and how it's brought the last few years. So wait for later on. So stay tuned for who Omer is going to get. As an animal doctor, I think that you are qualified to give out a fishy. Yeah. And honestly, this was one of the, as a veterinarian as well, this was one of the most brutal euthanasias I have ever seen. Poor Bianca. This was tough. This was a vicious blindside.

It was a true blindside for the audience as well. They didn't show us the conversation. No. And I thought they were going to do the flashback. I thought maybe we start the episode with the flashback. But you and I will piece it together in just a moment. Let me tell you about what else is coming up here on a very busy week once again here on RHAP because I've got coming up on the podcast in addition to a conversation with Bianca tomorrow. I will be having a recap with two people from Survivor 47 we're gonna have Caroline Vidmar and Gabe Ortiz joining me

We did this last season with Tiffany and Hunter and it was very fun So we get two people from the same tribe who can tell us a whole bunch of stories of what was going on over at Tooku. And we'll talk about all this with Caroline and Gabe. And then on our old school interview, Ron Clark, who, okay, maybe not that old school, but it's gonna be a great interview with Ron Clark. Always. Check that out. I always wanna know what Ron Clark has to say.

Yeah, he's so interesting to talk to, really looking forward to that. I've had so much fun doing the old school interviews this season, and so that's gonna be on Tuesday and then of course Club Kondo In between of all that plus everything else in our we know survivor podcast feed and then on Friday I will be once again taking questions from the patrons of our HAP survivors better when you have a tribe. So join us on Fridays for our patron Q&A when I will be taking questions live 3 p.m. Eastern about this week's episode of

Survivor. You can see that and more at RobBizTheWebsite.com slash patron. All right, Omer, this was a really big blind side for me because Bianca had this seemingly really interesting set up where it seemed like that she had it all figured out where okay To two tie if it's two votes on one side two votes on the other side that then they have a revote They can't vote for Bianca on the revote this is perfect and then it seems like wait hold on is Cedric actually gonna go with with Mitch and Chrissy to vote out Se? Sounds good too either one was all good for Bianca it seemed like that she had two great scenarios. Yet she decided to bring in Cedric. Now, at first, I'm

like, oh, this is actually this is actually great for Bianca because that if anything, that Cedric understands that what he puts a lot of importance on when somebody loses your vote. You got to tell Cedric

you got to. You know, Cedric. You got to. Apparently not, Cedric. You know what, give the fishy to Justin tonight. Because Justin, like for two weeks, it was like, hey, Justin, you idiot. Why don't you tell Cedric that you lost your vote, moron? Stupid idiot. And Justin is like, probably,

he's throwing all the dough up in the air at Luigi's tonight. Yeah, Cedric better in the air at Luigi's tonight. Yeah, Cedric better not show up at Luigi's tonight. He's throwing the mozzarella like confetti. Yeah, isn't Cedric, oh no, he's a vegan. How you like me now? Yeah, I think this was crazy and we need to break this down from Bianca's perspective, Cedric's perspective, the rest of the tribe and then also the edit, because I wanna start with that. Mama, look at me now, Justin said. P-O-P.

I think that the edit is kind of crazy because I think this is actually a inflection point in survivor editing and actually a defining moment. And how can you define a moment in the moment? Some moments, they take years to build up to be very memorable. Others, they, you know, as soon as they happen, this is iconic. Iconic. Yes.

Because we have always followed a pathway of editing where we knew something about what was going on. If the suspense was there, it was like A or B. Here, we were led to believe either Cedric is going to go along with the plan to vote out, say, or he's gonna blow it up at tribal. And they inserted shots of Cedric and tribal council time after time where you think he's about to be like, by the way, everybody, and it never came.

So then you assume he's going with the original plan and it's a blind side, complete blind side to the audience in a way that was not telegraphed. I think that this is important for the future of the show because there is some inbuilt suspense now of like, is there something that we missed? But they can't do this too many times because otherwise the storyline is too messed up.

And they tried it kind of in 45 when they did the flash forward. But then when they did the flash forward with Jake and Katura, you knew they were probably not gonna flip because we saw votes for Julie. But I like this a lot better. Okay, yeah.

I don't know if it's necessarily a big inflection. I didn't react to it the same way. I think that there is a piece of crucial missing information. But I'm sure that as a player, there must have been times when you have a conversation with people where maybe we don't see every single conversation, so certainly we don't.

But maybe there's a conversation that you have that you feel like really ices it. There must have been times when you talked to somebody and you had a final conversation of like, okay, this is what we're doing tonight, it's golden, we're good. And maybe that conversation doesn't always make it to the episode because then the suspense would be gone

for the viewer. And maybe it's like that the suspense is, is this person lying to me? But there must've been times when you had like a final conversation with people that sort of iced what the vote was gonna be that didn't ultimately make the final edit, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, for sure.

Like, if you look at, you know, the thing that jumps out in my mind was when high voted at Lydia, like they did not show high being like, I'm really going to consider this option. But he knew that was on the table. You know, what they presented on the show, like what actually happened was like it was very locked in and it was going to happen. There was no suspense. He didn't try to save her. It wasn't like a thing.

But in what they presented on the show was high has a choice between going with the plan to vote out Lydia or voting out Jonathan or Marianne. And that was the binary choice here. We were not presented with Chrissy's binary choice. We did not know that in her mind she was considering Bianca. And so I think that that leaving up that step is something new for the show. Right. So do you think, cause this is what I'm left with, that did Cedric sometime before tribal council have the conversation with Chrissy and or Mitch to say, Hey, guess what?

Bianca has no vote tonight. Yeah, I really think so because Chrissy knew exactly what she was doing, what she was saying, and then was very clear afterwards, like she didn't have a vote. And if you had just learned that in, in passing from whispers behind the scenes, I don't think you would have enough confidence to know exactly what was going on. What I think probably happened is, and I obviously don't know, but I think that Bianca had that conversation with Cedric. She said, if you go to say, I will know something is up and I will not trust you. So he probably said, okay, let's vote out, you know, say, I need to confirm that with Chrissy or whatever. And then that's probably in my opinion, when

it happened, because he gave her enough information for her to feel solid about switching her vote. The interesting thing is now Chrissy is in a situation where she knows that say is not in on the plan. She knows say is probably going to vote for her. Mitch is still voting for say, Stedrick is voting for Bianca. Christy now actually has the power to vote for any of them. Like if she wants to vote out say, she can still do that. So I guess the question is, did Chrissy make the right move? Yeah. Super interesting. And it's also, let's talk that through. It's also a 2-1-1 vote, where at first I'm saying, hold on, did Mitch get left out of the vote? Did Cedric maybe just tell Chrissy?

But I wonder if that the thinking was, hey, what if Bianca plays an idol at this tribal council? Or if Safe plays an idol at this tribal council, or if Saif plays an idol at this tribal council, if Bianca played the idol and we put two votes on her, then we need to put one vote on Saif to force a one-one between Saif and Chrissy also. So I think that Mitch knew about what was going on, and I think this was some kind of protection

of just in case Bianca plays an idol. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. To me, he seemed, it would be interesting to find that out. He seemed a little bit surprised to me. And also, again, if it was so last minute, I wonder if there was like the inability to know what was going on. And I think if in their position, I don't think they had any reason to believe that even if Bianca had an idol that she would play it in that moment. So I mean, I don't know, but I think it would be interesting either way. All right. So let's talk through

all of these different folks and let's start with Chrissy that you brought up, okay? Did Chrissy make the right decision here? I know Chrissy really wanted to keep Bianca. Yeah, we love Chrissy. We love a good mother. And Say is voting for Chrissy. And Say didn't really,

she didn't love, she didn't love, Say didn't love Chrissy and Chrissy didn't love Say. I really thought Say was going home in this episode. There was a lot of people talking poorly about Say in this episode. She's got nine lives, but I think for Chrissy, we love a good mommy. She's Sandy K. Burge encoded, except a little bit less crazy.

She is our haggis of the season. That's a term of endearment. She, I think, made the coated, except a little bit less crazy. She is our haggis of the season. That's a term of endearment. She I think made the wrong, well, actually it depends because I think what she probably prioritized was Cedric, like her trust with Cedric perhaps. And then because if she's prioritizing that relationship and making sure it carries through and probably knows Mitch will understand, then she made the decision that she made to kind of go with this plan, even though she's keeping someone like stay in the game who is more adversarial towards her. I thought maybe

she should just use this information to vote out, say, if Cedric's putting his vote on Bianca, because that gives her the opportunity to remove somebody that's very adversarial towards her. But then that does burn trust with Cedric. But then she could go back to Bianca and say, look, I saved you. But I think Bianca lying to her but revealing the information to Cedric is probably what allowed Chrissy to feel okay letting her go. How much do you think that this was

that Bianca is part of Old Loggy? Yes, they lost Thomas, but they still have like a pretty formidable group of numbers. SEVA has a fully comprised six people, but maybe they're gonna think about maybe throwing away charity. So is it better to get another number out from Laghi?

I don't think so. I think they were pretty transparent in their thought of we need to vote out Bianca because it's Laghi strong. But once Thomas went, I really think that they just wanted to vote how they wanted to vote. I think it really came down to her. They were in a deadlock and it didn't benefit anybody. It's the classic Robert Cesternino

vote out Christy Smith. To avoid the tie? Yeah, to avoid the tie because Christy is in the middle and she's not making a decision. Here you have Bianca in the middle without a vote. So she can't give either one the day. And Chrissy was Mitch's hero. Yes. It's all been a conspiracy this whole time. I'm not going down like, I'm going to do better than Chrissy. Well, Mitch is looking more like Butch right now. All right. All right. Let's go back to Cedric, because I really want to know if Cedric made the right decision, because Cedric really has all the power once again and it's always Cedric in the middle deciding how the everything's gonna go and

Bianca comes to him and says hey Cedric I don't have a vote save me save me Cedric. Okay, and He I I did not think he was going to turn around on Bianca. I really didn't and was going to turn around on Bianca. I really didn't. And here is Cedric who now saves Say again and Say does not have love for Cedric. You know who else probably doesn't have love for Cedric? Bianca?

Is the whole loser lodge. Yeah. All those people have been fucked by Cedric. He's persona non grata at Ponderosa? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that in general... In fairness, Thomas probably has like no ill will towards Cedric. Until he watches this episode, he's like,

hey, that's my friend, Cedric. Yeah, exactly. And Thomas is a ride or die, as we know. So he's probably pissed anyways. But I think Cedric made Yeah, exactly. And Thomas is a ride or die as we know. So he's probably pissed anyways, but I think Cedric made the right decision in some ways, but I wonder if the thing is say clearly still doesn't trust Cedric, but with this action of him going out of his way to save her, does that pull her back onto his side? A, because he didn't have to do that. B, she's a lightning rod of attention. No, she's still going to be mad. He didn't tell her.

He told Mitch and Chrissy. She just said, wait a second, Cedric, you found out that Bianca had no vote and you didn't tell me. You told them. Yeah, but she had to. I learned it last. I think Say is going to be thankful for that. But what I wonder is if Bianca should have told, Yeah, but he had to say, I learned it last. I think say is going to be thankful for that.

But what I wonder is if Bianca should have told, and maybe she did, but she should have told Cedric, Hey, I think the way that Bianca gets out of this, which is tied into Cedric's decision is Bianca had it exactly right. If they tie up, she's good. And then if they find out she has no vote, she's bad. The best case scenario, which is the least flashy is actually that Cedric just decides to vote for Say. So the way that she could have, I feel like done that was go to him and be like, hey, just so you know, when we first got to this beach,

I went to Say and said, I wanna work with you and Cedric and Say is the one that told me not to work with you. She's still mad about what happened. She doesn't trust you. So what should we do? And then he would come to his own conclusion about voting her out. Yeah, I think that I want to have just, you know, some grace for Bianca, who is in a tough

spot. And we I think she really believed in Cedric. But I think she told the wrong person about this, that I think that she was really scrambling in a tight spot. And so I do want to just like, I have so much empathy for Bianca because she was so gutted when she got voted out. But to go to Cedric with this, I think that that was the wrong person to go to. Now, I think she probably should have said nothing

to anybody. I think that that was ultimately the right spot to go to and that to have it end up being a tie. Now, maybe, you know, could she have gone to say and told I feel like say is going to be she's such a scrappy player that she's going to do everything that she can to survive.

I just think that Bianca and she had the plan. Yeah, she had the plan. And I get where she's probably coming from. As tribal approaches, she's going to deal with the aftermath of everybody coming back to be like you lied to us. So I can see her trying to maybe make one friend and Cedric comes across as a very, people are trusting Cedric with their colons. So you would think that he can trust him with everything. The colon is the gateway of the body. So I mean, the exit, whatever, but it is something very important.

So maybe she trusted in the wrong person. You know, she ended up inadvertently and she couldn't have known this, but she ended up giving Cedric an off ramp where Cedric is like, oh, do I have to either vote out Say tonight or that's not gonna be good? And then he's like, oh wait, I don't have to,

if I do this, I don't have to vote out Say tonight. And- And it seemed like he had a good relationship with Chrissy. So this really is the best of every world. And so for Cedric, it ends up being an easier vote for him to blindside Bianca. But I do think it was the wrong decision for Cedric. I think it's the wrong decision for Cedric because as I'm saying, I think that Say is going to, and listen, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong about this and I'll own it and Say can drag me to hell. But I'm pretty sure that

when, if we get any fallout from this, that Say looked very confused. I'm like, oh, is Say acting at this tribal council? Because it was unclear the two one one who voted for whom and Say got left out of this vote. They didn't vote out Say, but they didn't loop her in. And once again, Cedric has not given her all of the complete information. We saw with the Justin Tribal Council that, yes, Cedric saved her, but then she was still

a little miffed about the fact that the guys were going to vote her out and then they changed her mind. You have to tell, say, everything if you're her ally and she doesn't like it if you hold information from her. And that's what Cedric did again. And I do feel like that Cedric has an okay shot to be the Mergetory boot ultimately, if nobody's gonna really stick their neck out for him

and say it would be happy to write down Cedric's name again. That is a fair- I don't think she's done it yet, but she would love to. You know what? Say from what we've seen, she will drag you to hell, Rob. So for the record, I am I think that say will forgive Cedric. Yeah. So on Twitter, you know, just remember that she may drag you to hell

if she doesn't. What do you think? You're a fool. Oh're I'm a fool? Omar, I'm going to forgive this man. Yeah. I mean, I just think that in Cedric's spot, if you're Say, like Say is a logical player in many ways, she understands the logic of, you know, when to withhold or when to give information, when to rest. Most part she did say to Cedric at the Justin Tribal Council that she's given him everything that she has. You don't tell me what's going on?

Yeah, so that is an issue, but also with the way things, the way Bianca told Cedric, if he went to say to tell her, it would have blown up the whole plan and she could have gone home from that. So I think if he can explain it that way. You don't know that that's the case. That's a little bit of fan fiction on your part that Bianca said, if you talk to Say,

I will know that you have betrayed me. It was on the show. She said that? She said that. She said, if I see you go back to, if I see you go back to Say. What leverage does she have? I don't know, she doesn't have much,

but other than blowing up Cedric's spot at Tribal Council. What's she gonna blow up Cedric's? Cedric doesn't have a spot to blow up. It's like, hey everybody, I told Cedric I had no vote and I told him if he talks to Sey, I was gonna tell everybody about this. I guess, but then you could have, I don't know, I can see why he didn't do it

and I think that she probably would. But here's why I think that for Cedric, I think making a clean break from Sey would have been the better move because he has some really solid allies in Mitch and Chrissy who seemingly want to work with him plus He would have an ally in Bianca who wants to work with him that Cedric does not have Great numbers coming from Vula in say and Mary Cedric needs to find a new home in the post merge game and so

he has options there he could end up going with Siva that there could be a bridge to what Bianca is doing if she ends up going back to her tribe in the post merge game but there's just I don't think that the Vula three are going to be a force here at the merge and Cedric really needs to pick a side and I think that having being attached to say who is ruffling feathers that we saw not only in her own tribe but also that we saw that I forget the which new tribe it is of new laggy winning reward they were also talking about how say rub them the wrong way also So I think that say also is a person who could be the merge at ory boot and now Cedric has you know Further attached himself to what could be a sinking ship

But do you think that he I actually I actually I think I do agree with you My only counterpoint is is say not the big lightning rod that will take attention away from him That that's his shield that he's I mean Sure, like maybe like that's what Genevieve was thinking initially with Rome But you know, it's like okay then when Rome goes home at Mergetori like okay, where's the shield now? Yeah, but it was also an easy consensus vote to survive Whereas Bianca I feel like if if he didn't fully trust Bianca, which I think he probably could have

given the fact that she gave him everything, but if he didn't feel it, like maybe that's the first time they had a really in-depth conversation, then she has a lot more room to just integrate back in with her old people. Yeah, I just thought after everything with Justin that when Bianca reveals to him the thing about,

hey, Cedric, I know how important this is to you. Or she didn't even know that. But sometimes I've heard that you reveal that you don't have a vote to somebody, and it makes them really, that's the most trust that you could have with a person. And Cedric's like, okay, look, I gotta stick my neck out for her.

Yeah, I mean, I agree. And I'll say now also kudos to Sey, who has done a good enough job that telling us in Confessional, I'm stuck with Cedric, telling Bianca, hey, you go talk to Cedric, see for yourself. She has done a good enough job in the social game with making Cedric feel like okay say is still my person

Yeah, yeah I mean I think say is is I really think that the player most similar not exactly in some ways But like is something buddy like Russell, you know Somebody who's gonna bulldoze their way through the game and you either you really have to work with them or against them And there's no, and if they're pushing so hard then- I'm loyal to my people. Sometimes people just get pushed to the wayside

if they're not ready for the Mack truck, you know? And she seems to have survived, caught some lucky breaks, but also has done a lot on her own to like really push that through. But I just don't know how sustainable it's gonna be. push that through, but I just don't know how sustainable it's going to be. Homer, I'd love to shift to this huge moment that got talked about and promoted all week long. Was there anything else about this tribal council that you want to highlight in

terms of what's going on here on the new, which tribe is this new Siva? New Siva. Yeah. I just don't know if, I think the big questions for everybody in general is, so you think that Cedric made the wrong decision. What do you think about the decision Chrissy made? Right or wrong? Because she could have done either one. Yeah, I think that Chrissy and Mitch,

I think that they should have done a one-two on, and like, I think for Chrissy and Mitch, this is really what I think. They should have betrayed Cedric. And they should have, and Cedric is like, hey, hey, everybody, Bianca doesn't have a vote, okay? 9-1-1, Bianca doesn't have a vote, okay? And they should have said, okay, Cedric, great.

Hey, Mitch, you and me, we vote for Say tonight, and we take out Say, save Bianca, where's Cedric going? Yeah, yeah, I agree. Like hey Cedric, sorry, sorry, Say, you know, she wrote my name down, what am I gonna do? She was coming for me. And I think that for Mitch and Chrissy, I think that they should have still taken out Say.

I agree, especially because Say and Chr Christie's relationship was so adversarial and It seems like Bianca and Christie's relationship was fairly positive other than leaving out the vote Yeah that I think that you know Christie literally could have just put her vote and change it and say would have gone home and that would have been that's what the only thing I could think of is that I think that for Mitch and for Christie I think part of their calculus was that, hey, we're going to let there be five people from old Loggy get back together. And I think that they were looking at it as that's another number for Purple and

that at the merge that Siva is going to be targeted. And so let's take out one of their numbers at the same time. Agreed. And do we think this was the best episode of the season? I think that last week's might have been better. I think it just depends on your mileage on what we're going to talk about next with Joe and Eva. Yes. Yes. Love Joe and Eva. Okay. Do you think this was the best episode of the season? I think this was the best episode of the season. And the reason I feel that way is that I felt it broke formula a bit. Like it wasn't, you know, segment here, immunity challenge here, segment here, tribal council,

uh, journey thrown in there. You know, it was, we saw a reward segment later than we thought it would be. And it had an impactful moment that may shape the rest of the game. We had an emotional moment with Joe and Eva and the whole tribe. And then we saw a shift in a relationship with Star and Eva, which I thought was very interesting after the immunity challenge when they were the winning tribe. And then this last second vote on Bianca

that we never saw how it came together, I think it made it a very non-formulaic and very surprising episode. And I really enjoyed that because I thought it was a bit refreshing. Okay. Well, let's talk about this predicament that Eva finds herself in and first off I love when the producers have like a table maze is that everybody has to get one or everybody has to sink a shot because I think you

end up well it always ends up with a great moment where there's one person that just can't end up doing it even though Eva ultimately does overcome and do it. And, you know, it had been promoted all week long that we were going to have some kind of emotional moment. Jeff was going to cry in this episode. And I really had thought that Eva was not going to be able to complete the table maze. Yeah, I agree.

I thought it was like very powerful and I am not like a very emotional person. I don't really cry a lot, but I've cried for the biggest loser once and also during the wild robot a little bit. And this, I actually shed a tear. I felt something and that is powerful because that's what Adam shared his story too. That was the other time. I felt something and that is powerful.

When Adam shared his story too, that was the other time. All right, talk me through it. Which part of this specifically was the part that made you emotional? I think it was the more the aftermath and then with the moment that Joe gets to go over because you're so like, is he gonna go? Is it gonna be allowed?

And the fact that Jeff broke the wall and allowed it, I thought, Hey, that's interesting thing. Cause that never happens. And the way that he talked it through and explained it, like, yes, I'm kind of breaking the game barrier here. I thought at least it was good that he acknowledged that. But as soon as, cause you're like, before that happened though, you're like, she clearly needs him to be comforted, but he, she's not going to get that. Or like, how can she do it remotely in that way? And then when it was kind of allowed to break through and you realized that she would get that relief and then seeing her come down so quickly,

I thought that was a very beautiful moment. And then sharing the story with the whole group and how everybody was very supportive. And like she said, they weren't pitying her. They were appreciating her for her differences and also sharing, and I think that that is what we need more of in society today, is acceptance of everybody.

Yeah. I'm so interested to see what the larger response is to all this, because I really feel like that this is going to be a little bit of like a survivor Rorschach test of, I think that there are going to be some people that are going to talk about this as one of their favorite moments on Survivor ever. I think that there are gonna be some people

that this is super powerful for. And I think that there's probably also going to be some maybe fewer but loud people about, this is not Survivor. This is not the game. This is not why we're here. Why is this part of, this is new era, woo woo, this is not the show I grew up on and I think

it's well I'm not saying that that's I'm I'm telling I believe that this is what the reactions will be I think it will be a very varied reaction but I think that what Survivor is and especially now that I think that what Survivor is, and especially now, that I think that it's really the intersection of those two things, of that there is this game that so many of the purists really have grown up with and think about and really at its core, that's what Survivor is. But then you have this emotional layer

that's mapped onto that, where now, okay okay in the midst of this game also there's these human connections that are happening and it really is i think interesting to watch everybody navigate that as a parent you know i could only imagine what it would be like to see, you know, my children are not beyond having episodes where they really need a lot of attention and you should be comforted in very specific ways. And so, you know, I could only imagine what that's like for either Eva's parents watching at home, for Joe watching from the sidelines

to be watching her go through this and to be inconsolable. I mean, that was a really emotional moment in the show. Yeah, I totally agree. And what I would say to the losers out there who are shitting on the moment is, and saying this is not the survivor I knew, this is not what it was always about, I would argue that this is exactly what it's always been about. If you go back to season one, I mean, the

thing is right now, we have a time where historically, mental health or spectrum disorder, not even disorders, just being on the spectrum or having a difference in ability was not really talked about. In my household, a lot of Brown culture households, you don't really talk about your feelings. People hide their mental illness. They see it as a bad thing. People weren't comfortable speaking on it, but people now are more in tune with that and more willing to have those conversations. If you look at 25 years ago, what were they talking about?

They weren't talking about that then because that wasn't the cultural movement at the time, but they were talking about how Richard was gay. They were talking about MTV, they were talking about having children out of wedlock. All of these things were things that were, you know, hot button issues or new things in the evolution of humanity that were happening at that time that they were talking about then as well. And, you know, Sean and theasepia's moment in season four

where they're talking about representation, like that is something that has always been on the show and it's always affected how people interact with one another. It's just that maybe people, you know, people at that time as well, many people were not ready to hear Sean and Vasepia's conversation.

Many people were not there to hear Richard's story. Many people were not there to hear Richard's story. Many people were not there to root on our Hagris Sue. But now people are like, that's the survivor we knew and loved, but people didn't feel that way at the time either. Yeah. So I am wondering, and this is the Survivor Know-It-Alls, how is, does this affect the game? Okay.

We, we watched the humanity of it, and I don't think that there was anything strategic about what was happening. I think it was everybody's just reacting in the moment. But the players, you know this, are extremely smart. And everything that happens, everybody is so meta, so thinking about all the different levels of different things.

How does, if you are one of the different levels of different things, how does, if you are one of the other players in the game, how is this changing how you're looking at this duo? Well, I think it is a very good question. And it's very hard because on one hand, it's a very beautiful moment. On the other hand, this is an incredibly threatening relationship in the game for a million dollars.

But you also may not want to be the one that's like, we have to split up Joe and Eva like that's, you know, we saw Thomas and Bianca like share a moment about this when before this moment, well, Eva gave Joe, Joe the necklace and for the bracelet for his daughter in front of everybody. And they were like, really? Like, really? Yeah. Which now they may have more context as to why that occurred.

And also now I feel like people will forget about it for a few rounds. But towards the end of the game, like people are going to know that if these two are in the game, they're always going to be voting together. Who's going to take the shot? I don't know. And how are they going to take the shot? I don't know. It's also interesting because this moment also had further game ramifications in terms of how Star and Eva have come together. Yeah, let's talk about that next.

Yes. So I think that people are going to be looking at Joe and Eva, but any plans, like even the four Vula people that are now creating an alliance of four, they have to know that Joe has something outside of that, too. Could this moment be brought in or will it be something that breaks them apart? Could this moment be something that helps both of their games? Where that, I think that if I don't really know Joe and Eva, I haven't spent any time with them, I do think that in the new era especially,

and maybe all throughout Survivor history, but especially now, everybody is so deceptive. Everybody is so, you is so two-faced and is playing so hard that when you see a glimmer of authenticity, and I think this was like Carolyn's superpower, where okay, this is real, this is a real thing that's going on, I know this isn't fake, these two aren't putting it on

for the cameras, and in some way, am I less threatened by two people who are stepping outside of the game to have an authentic moment in front of everybody, where maybe I'm not looking at them as being these uber-calculating people, because there are so many of those folks. And I kind of think back to maybe where people were sleeping on Andy last season when he had that moment where he stepped out of the game and at the first try, at the first challenge, and people was like, all right, well, maybe I'm not as threatened by this person because of what, you know, I'm seeing this emotional side of him. Do you feel like that for Joe and for Eva,

could this change the way that people are perceiving them and maybe are not thinking of them as these super strategic players? Well, I think that definitely it has potential benefits. I think the danger more comes in the fact that they're a pair as opposed to their individual games. I think it can only help on an individual level how people feel about them.

And clearly we saw the ramifications of Eva. People opened up to her even more and even gave her an immunity idol. But with Joe and Eva as a pair, it's obviously threatening. But in some ways, like you said, especially in the new era, there's been a lot of fluid gameplay where you'll have best friends turning on each other and anybody could work with anybody at any time. And that means there's so many variables on an exponential level with every new relationship you have. So if you can have two people that are a known quantity,

they're known to be voting together, they're known to be loyal together and they have this human moment. I do think that in some ways, at least in the short to medium term, it's beneficial to know where they're at. And so I think that removes a variable for all the players as well.

And that does make it less threatening. You were referencing when Jeff said in the Edge of Extinction about sometimes a moment is instantly iconic, but Jeff did say tonight that this is a sign of where Survivor is, that things like this happen outside of the game. What did you think about Jeff's meta thoughts about this type of moment happening on the show?

Yeah, I mean, I think that this was much more impactful moment than like the game changer's balance beam. I'm like, but I do think that- You know what, in hindsight, I disagree. We could bring that back into it, but you know what? In hindsight, I disagree. I think we could we could we could bring that back into it. But I think that really what I've talked about with that is that I feel like that that soft launch, the new era of like Surrey overcoming the balance beam and really was really changed the way that the show changed,

that it was all about people, 18, 20 people all vying to win the prize of a million dollars. And I feel like that was the moment where the show started to shift from, okay, maybe one person is gonna win the million dollars, but many other people are going to have a victory in a personal journey. And that's really, I think, what's something that really shaped the new era.

So I do think that as a moment, as a turning point for the show, I do think that's three walking across the balance beam was a big deal, even though I poo pooed it at the time. Yeah, you know, that is a fair point because it is it's almost like a Pokemon evolution. Like this is probably the Charizard, but you don't get Charizard without Charmander. And that was probably true. So true. Yeah.

But I do think that, you know, again, I do actually think that Survivor has always been about social growth and, you know, exploring humanity and different peoples from different walks of life coming together. And that's more amplified now because those are easier conversations to have. It's more amplified now because there's more diversity in casting that didn't exist 25 years ago. But I do think there's always been some of that present throughout the show's history because at the core of this game is a social game. And the point was to bring people like you and Roger. Not the most diverse season, survived the Amazon.

Okay, but we'll put a pin in that. We'll talk about that when we talk about what's going on over at the new Vula tribe. But yeah I do think it was interesting that that Jeff is almost explaining to here Hey, here's why I thought it was okay for this moment to happen and for me to invite Joe To go and have a moment with Eva Yeah, I mean I agree I think he read the situation very well And I think that he did break the the third wall or fourth wall of the game a little bit, but I thought it was an

appropriate thing to do in that moment. I feel like it's also something that, you know, Joe could have probably just done on his own as well. However, there is as a player when you're there, you don't really know what you can or can't do, especially your first time. So I get why there was that apprehension. So I think that Jeff giving that permission was a very human thing to do and a very appropriate thing to do. And I think that is a reflection of how Jeff has evolved in the last 25 years, like his intuition and instincts are very, very good. And I think in this moment, that was something very subtle, but it was something important to consider because in the moment of doing that, you are breaking down this general rule where you can't interact with

the other tribes, you're outing a potential relationship or alliance and showing that you have knowledge of an Eva and Joe relationship beyond what everybody else would just know. So I think it is something that is important that he addressed, but I thought he did it perfectly. Yeah. I wonder how much maybe Joe might have already been shouting to her because I'm not sure necessarily like how much Jeff would even have knowledge of That you know the specific relationship that Joe and Eva had they haven't been to tribal council together And so I don't know if it's come up in any other way But I think that he must have been probably pretty vocal to her

Yeah, yeah for sure for sure and also I don't know if you caught it But in the rewards this is very off you caught it, but in the reward, this is very off topic, but in the reward challenge, Charity was yelling like, yes, Mitch, get it, Mitch. It's like, you're not even he's not on your team. Yeah. I did. That was just something that I caught. And I was like, what is going on? Why aren't people more? Yeah. It's like, you know, there's something about it, I don't trust her. Okay, all right, so let's go now after the challenge, we got the, you know, discussion about that, which is, as you mentioned, like a break from format, and I thought that we were just following up with Eva

after the challenge, but after Eva reveals to everybody, okay, that she has autism, and then we come back and follow her back to the camp, and they're talking about you know how great it is and Star says that she's very proud of Eva and that this is gonna be a very teachable moment and Then she ends up revealing Hey, this is I want to be honest with everybody. I have to beware advantage

I want to be honest with everybody, I have the beware advantage. Yeah, I mean, I think this was the right move for Star, but maybe for the wrong reasons, because I don't think that Star realized that they all knew already. So in that sense, you know, getting it out there in this moment of... You know, the thing is, out there, you can have very emotional moments with people that are outside of the game to some extent,

but it does bleed into the game a little bit. And then you can bond on things that you wouldn't have otherwise. For instance, like our tribe, you know, at one point we were all talking about, you know, the deepest reasons of why we were there. And that really bonded the Taku people together. And we were more loyal to each other than we probably would have been otherwise. And in this situation, I think that Star sharing game information in the context of an emotional moment, especially when people weren't really trusting her, was something that could maybe break her in.

The thing that I'm not sure of though is if she's aware of her position. And if she is not aware of her position, I don't know if she can capitalize on it because the worst thing that could happen is she's just strung along further until she gets voted out by her own eye. Okay, so Star says, hey, I have the cryptics. I'm not sure what they call it.

And then here's the thing I need help. And it really turns out that Eva ends up being the MVP here and she ends up getting it open. Silent is the answer. She opens it and Star says, Hey, Eva, you keep the idol. It's a wild choice. What? Wild choice. Okay, but now let's, hey, let me go galaxy brain here for you, okay?

If I'm Star, okay, I'm heading into Mergetori next week, potentially I'm at the bottom of my old tribe, okay? I might be at the bottom of this tribe. Do I want to go into Mergetori with a known idol also? Well, I think that, again, I don't think she's fully aware of her position. I don't think that she thinks she's at the bottom, in which case, a public idol is not that useful anyway.

So getting rid of it is not that bad of an idea. I don't hate this idea for her because clearly her and Eva have been very adversarial. And this is a moment where she can, you know, start can tell Eva all she wants. I'm so inspired by your story. What you did is so great. And I'm really on your side because of it. But that's just words and in Survivor, you need actions too. So I think that her action of giving the idol over in that moment to somebody that opened it for her is an actionable thing where I could look at star and be like, I trust

you more. And I think you're more on the level if they had been having feelings of suspicion towards her. So I think that the answer is yes, this was not a bad move for her. But I just wish she knew where she was at in the game. Yeah, I don't think that Star is going to be the Mergetory boot. I mean, I do think that, you know, knowing that Star's on the ropes, sure, having an idol would be good,

but having the known idol is ultimately not that great of a position, even if she plays it like at the first vote after the merge. And look, she may well be Regretting giving it to Eva if that she's in the six people that are vulnerable next week And then you know that that could be where okay ultimately it just ends up falling on her Hopefully evil will play it on her I'm really in a pickle

Please play the idol on me. But ultimately, what you gonna do? Like go on an immunity run from 13? So Star needs allies more than she needs an idol. Agreed, agreed. And also this is a big night for Star updates on Twitter, shout out. Big night, big night, okay.

And so lots of updates for Star. We should actually bring in Star updates on here to give their opinion on was this the right move? Because I think yes, you think yes, but I'd like to know what Star Updates date. I thought that's a little bit more of a club condo segment, but I think it's definitely on the table. All right.

Okay. You heard it here first. Let's go back to the Vula tribe because this was such an interesting turn of events here because last week we had that really Exciting move where Kyle and Camilla got one over on the California girls before we talk about what happened tonight Do you have any thoughts on what Kyle and Camilla did last week? I thought it was fantastic I think that they played it exactly the right way and they used the extra vote and I don't think it was a waste like Kyle said because if they had voted for Camilla they needed that extra vote and I the right way and they use the extra vote. And I don't think it was a waste, like Kyle said, because if they had voted for Camilla, they needed that extra vote.

And I think that the way they did it was so great to prevent Thomas from playing anything that he had had if he had received something. So I think that their execution of that was perfect. I think that it was weird to me that they were kind of like mad at Kyle. It's like, but you guys all voted for him. Yeah. And he's like, Hey, I heard you all went through my bag. So I had to play the idol.

So Kyle and Camilla are still like, Hey, we're still trying to play that Kyle and I are not on the same page. Like, what? You can't do that anymore. We all know now. Is anybody buying that? Like, I would've liked to hear like Shaheen and Joe

like confirming that, but you know, Kyle and Camilla are gonna keep selling it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I know that was wild. But I think that they're not in a bad position. Shaheen and Joe confirming that, but Kyle and Camilla are gonna keep selling it, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that was wild. But I think that they're not in a bad position, they're in a position of two-two votes, so go look for the idol if you're worried about it. And there was a Vula idol that we saw

from last week's episode, but it doesn't seem like that there's a lot of hunting for it, but I thought after last week's vote, I'm like, wow, this is maybe, you know, sort of like the first shot fired between the SEVA and Loggy war where, okay, we're going to go into the merge and it's going to be orange versus purple and who's going to pick up Cedric and Mary and say, let's go. That's going to be the story of the season. of the season, then basically we have like this big rift between Kyle and Camilla on one side and Joe and Shaheen on the other side. But these rewards do amazing things, Omar.

Yeah, a little croissant, you know? A little croissant, and these four broke bread. And we got to hear all the different stories, like four pretty diverse stories of what each person's loved ones and family members had gone through, which were all harder than Survivor, and sharing those stories was the setup for, like hey, like, look at us, well, why not us? What if we do to everybody what Kyle and Camilla

did to us last week? We'll pretend like, oh, we don't get along. This is not a unit, this is not a group. Yeah, I mean, this is where, again, there are emotional things that can happen that really can tie people together, like Eva's autism experience. And then this is also something that's very powerful

and also something, this is, I think, more what people are gonna be like, this is not our show or whatever they're gonna say. But I think that it is a very powerful moment when you have stories that have not been shared before. I don't know. And we'll see what the reaction is to this because I feel like that everybody was sharing

their own story, and every story was different. It wasn't necessarily like a one person's story of now, okay, well, this is like survivor is too woke. This was, I feel like people sharing the lived history of different relatives from all different parts of the world of like all of our relatives have been through something. Yeah, I mean, I think that as a person, as a brown person of color,

I mean, I do think that a lot of times, you know, brown people and black people are put into like a monolith, but there is quite a bit of diversity in experience. And I think it's an experience that is not shared by many other people. Like it's hard for people outside of those, you know, how we are to, to know and understand what those experiences are. And that doesn't mean that, you know, we're better than anybody because obviously there's been some trauma, but it is an experience that we should all share

together just to understand. And so the fact that they could do that, share their own experiences, which were all very varied, but bond over it and share it on a platform like Survivor, where people can maybe hopefully empathize and grow from it. I think it's fantastic. And I think that why I think, and again, maybe I might have to eat my words. I think that why people are not going, why I don't think that there will be a lot of backlash with this, is that I feel like that we got to know all four of these people separately as players in the game. And then, then this, this new information came out after where it wasn't like, okay, we first learned, we met these people by learning about their,, the things that, the way that they,

where they come from, we got to meet them first and then we learn this. And I think that that's probably the right way to do it to tell these types of stories. A thousand percent. And I think it's very interesting of like, how will this carry forward? Because, again, it's a situation where they all have

something to bond over. They're all in one tribe now, but they also have pre-existing relationships. You know, Joe and Eva, um, the Siva people with, um, Mitch and, um, uh, Chrissy. And so like, are they going to, and David, like, are they going to want to go back to those relationships? At some point, all of their interests will not align together. So it'll be interesting to see how long they stick together towards. I think the most useful thing that could come out of this for them is say, Hey, like be even more radically honest than they're being. Like when you went to Mr. Machete and said, I've been lying to you forever now, but I'm

going to tell you the truth now. And you're going to listen to me. But I think for these four, they can say, look, we may not have interests that they're all aligned, but as long as we protect each other, that should be our priority. Like if we have other alliances, like they will not come for you. And if you have other alliances, don't let them come for us. And we'll protect each other even if we can't always vote together. And I think that this type of conversation has been around in Survivor for a very long time. You mentioned Sean and V earlier,

but Sean and John Carroll had conversations where they connected over Sean being black and John being gay. And that was like a really, it didn't, it wasn't a game relationship, but it was a personal relationship that was very strong. Yep, exactly. And so, you know, people are always gonna be,

you know, either happy or sad to be, you know, either happy or sad to see things in it or like upset to see things in the moment. But, you know, over time, this is a moment that in 20 years, people will look at and say, that was really great. And I hope that people recognize that now, much like the edge of extinction. Right. What an iconic moment. What an iconic moment. But to me, this is the power for in the game right now. Yeah, but do you think that there's still enough trust? Cause like if they, I mean, I guess they're merging now, but they, the last time they all went to tribal council together, they all lied to each other.

They all lied to each other. But I kind of feel like, okay, well now, okay, the power four is here. Okay, Eva is going to come back in. Hey, great. Eva's friends with David. Great. He's in. So now we have a six. Who else is joining them? Chrissy? Chrissy. I think we'll join them.

Chrissy joins them at seven. Does Mitch come along? Well, maybe not Mitch because of charity. I feel like that charity is a very likely person to get the Mergetory boot. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. And I think that even if it also really depends on how they do it, right? Because if they do it like they did before 47, where half the group is immune, if charity becomes immune,

you could have somebody that sacrificed like Mary or Star that maybe wouldn't have gone otherwise. So I think- I think Star is also another person who potentially gets thrown overboard, is not part of that power core in the middle. Mm-hmm. I think Say is in trouble or I guess I think Cedric is going to be saved by his relationship with Chrissy and Mitch at this point. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mary, you think Mary is I do think that she and I don't think so because what's her connection into that group? I do think that she, and I don't think so, because what's her connection into that group? I don't think there is one. And Say, I feel like that there's nobody that's really in that power core that's really going to bat for Say. So I think that she's another person who's kind of,

I feel like that maybe, is this a little bit like heading into the merge in your season where we kind of have like all of the power players together in the middle, and then we're picking on the Romeos and the Tories and the people, the Lydia's people that are on the bottom. Yeah, I really do think that that's how the power, because the thing is, if everybody in this group

that's a power player, quote unquote, feels like they have the upper hand within that group, which they all probably do, because Joe's like, I got my side thing with Eva and I guess Bianca's gone now, so that's not really a thing. But, and then if the SEVA people's like, I got my side thing with Eva and I guess Bianca's gone now. So that's not really a thing. But and then the Siva people feel like, oh, we have six people, you know, maybe we'll be fine. Then I think that they all will be incentivized to stick together through a couple of votes, which will put people

on the outs like star like Mary, that people that don't have a home like charity, they're going to be on the outs. However, the people that make it out of that situation will be set up very well for the longterm, um, like, like Romeo and Marianne ended up being fine because then they all turned on each other. I think the, the, the other thing that's missing here though, is the Siva still has six people. So if the core of Siva, the four that wanted to work together were smart, I

feel like this is the time much like when Reba through J Maya and Sifu under the bus, they should acts charity as a sacrifice so that people aren't threatened by the six. Yeah, I think so. I think that Mitch could be one of these people who, if he's able to survive this sort of like early culling of the people that are at the bottom,

I think that he's somebody who could sneak into when the core in the middle is gonna snap snap in half that maybe he could be somebody who the people back on old Siva could pick up. And so I feel like that one of the Vula people, like one of like Cedric or Mary or even say who ends up surviving that I think that they end up I think it's most likely Mary who ends up being the person. Pray for Mary. Pray for Mary. And I think that she's fostered some good relationships on her tribe. And we love a good, May is their couple's name. Yeah.

Yeah. May is just still delivering. They're not even on the same tribe. Yeah. Like that's what an iconic duo. I can't wait for their reunion. You know, like that's, that's what an iconic do. I can't wait for their reunion. Omer, let's talk a little bit about

who should get the coveted Fishe award. But first, let me just shout out, over on the Patreon feed, 15 years ago, Josh Wigler and I talked about, yesterday this actually happened, but we talked about 15 years ago, Banana Etiquette, a double boot episode we talked about, and we really broke the format.

We had a very deep conversation, I thought, about Survivor and so much more, against the backdrop of Tyson getting voted out, James getting voted out, spoiler alert, and really fun podcast, having a great time going back and revisiting the season that launched Rob as a podcast from 15 years ago on the Patreon feed, robaswebsite.com slash patreon. This one was so good. I'm going to make this free for every, if you could go watch it for free at robaswebsite.com slash patreon, just to get a

little flavor of what we've got going on over And the best episodes, the best episodes aren't even yet to come. The best episodes of that season are episode eight. Yes. And the one where Amanda goes. OK, yeah, the double. That's the one after that's the one after with the Treasure Island. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Treasure Island. So funny. Can I just say one thing about Treasure Island? I thought it was insane. You know, Danielle DiLorenzo is one of the most unintentionally

funny people that's ever been on the show. She comes back from Treasure Island being like, I wrestled Amanda to the ground and ripped the clue right out of her hand. I'm such a badass. And then it was her handing it over. So funny, so funny. Okay, all right. We'll check that out in a couple of weeks over on Patreon. All right, so Omer, you know, I don't necessarily relish the position you're in of having to give out a fishy tonight,

because it's a night where you can go in a lot of different directions. I would like to say about the fishy that Stephen Fishback, you have been giving it out to multiple people in the same week and it's disrespectful. It's disrespectful to the award that is yours. Right, he's been giving out,

last week he gave a fishy to Kyle and Camilla. You don't like that. Yes, I agree with you completely. You haven't even given one to Mitch. What the fuck is that? You're giving two at once. You're giving it to Rome and whomever last time. You don't even remember the other person who got it besides Rome. Yeah, who was it? Was it Genevieve? I'm trying to think. So he liked the way that Rome was playing his advantages. So I don't remember who got the other fishy.

I think it was Genevieve. It was probably the quichon food, but insane behavior, Stephen Fishback. And Rob is right. He is the knowing is no at all. And you're on his show, you should listen to him, even if it's your award. One award per week, unless it's a double tribal council,

then I accept your offer to give two. And the fact that you've been giving it out to like, the weather, the teachers. That's been for a minute, yeah. Yeah, and that's insane as well. And you know what? This season, the weather is not getting the fishy, because the weather is riding coattails

and going too easy on these people. Where's the rain? That's what I have to say. Can I bring up something? Okay, so every week we post who received the Fishy Award and we like to tag the player who won it, but there's been one player who's been a little vocal about a lack of Fishy representation,

and that's been Mitch. And so here over on Instagram, RHAPGrams, we see Mitch posted, I haven't cared about this award all season. It's a broken system, rewarding losers for losing. But this week, Steven Fischbach actually got it right. Huge joint effort and my SEVA friends crushed it. What do you think about the Fischi Award as being broken and rewarding losers for losing.

I'd like to know what Mitch has to say about the chizzies. I like to say about that. Well, I mean, is that an interesting point there of that? It tends to, especially in the pre-merge, go to the tribe who went to tribal council, who are in fact, as Jeff says, also known as the losers. Sorry for you, you'll get a fishy award. Exactly, no.

I mean, it is a system that awards that, but also if you're just coasting by because you wanted an immunity challenge, I don't think you need a fishy either. So I think that Mitch is right, the fishy is broken, but it's because of how Steven has handled it. And not because it's because of how Stephen has handled it. Not because it's inherently rewarding losers. I think that Stephen needs to go back to his roots and figure out why he's been

doing this nonsense of weather, producers, multiple fishy winners. He needs to reevaluate how to cut an avocado. He needs to do all of that and then he can talk to us again in my opinion. Okay, all right, but now you have all the power. Yeah. So, Omer, who would you give the fishy to this week? I'm actually gonna give it to Chrissy and Cedric. It's a double fishy award? Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay, I agree with you though. It was so set on giving it to Bianca. And then- It was so easy. It was so easy to give it to Bianca. And then- It was so easy. It was so easy to give it to Bianca. But that's not the case anymore. So now we have to look at the rest of these people, the rest of the losers, as they say. Cedric, we think, you know, did he do the right thing?

Did he not do the right thing? Chrissy, I think objectively probably did the wrong thing. I think that Mitch was possibly left out or on the split, but it wasn't his. I don't think he was left out. I think that that would be wild if Cedric went and only told Chrissy when we've only seen Cedric be much tighter with Mitch.

So I think that that would be a wild decision if he only told Chrissy and Chrissy didn't tell Mitch. Yes. Now, okay, if we look to the other tribes, like David drank a lot of, actually, can we talk about the milk thing for a sec? Oh, sure, yeah. The milk thing, like I think is David,

like, okay, so are you a milk drinker? I don't drink a lot of milk. Okay, I'm a very cyclical milk drinker, like some, I'll go through phases where I'll have like so much and then I won't drink it for months and months or even a year, but I think he's psychopathic for drinking whole milk. That's insane. That's like a step away from, you know, drinking like cream. I think that he said none of this 2% crap. No, 2% is the way to go. And I think it's so funny that he tried to milk his own milk. And if he actually wanted to do that,

you know, aren't there t-shirts that you can wear that induce lactation? Hmm, this I don't know about. You should ask your wife. Okay. But I'm pretty sure. So maybe you should get one of those

our R-Hap t-shirts for David. That'd be great. But he doesn't deserve it for drinking a lot of milk. I don't think Eva could. I think that you could make a case for Eva who, you know, has this huge moment in the show. But then on top of that, ends up then having this moment where

that she ends up solving the beware advantage and then also gets an idol out of it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. So I think that, but that it. Yeah, I agree. But it is a public idol though. So I think that Eva is an option. I think that Star is an option because Star in her position giving the idol away

and building trust and remending a bridge that was burned is extraordinarily powerful. And then on the Green Tribe, they all did a really good job coming together. However, I can't give four fishies away because I'm not Steven. So I'm really torn on what to do at the moment. But I think I'm actually going to give it to Cedric much to your chagrin. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Because Cedric ultimately he used the information he had and he got exactly what he wanted.

I don't think that his choice is necessarily a binary of definite bad or definite good. I think it's a subjective choice based on a lot of information that we don't have, but he got what he wanted and he executed it exactly as he intended to. So I think that Cedric gets the fishy, but the honorarium goes to Star and Eva, but actually Star, so you take note of that Star updates.

Okay, all right, so I don't hate it I mean, I think that Cedric if we're gonna be like a little bit more I think that Cedric made the right move but maybe for the wrong reasons because I don't know if Cedric necessarily Suspects that say might be as unpopular with the other tribes where that say I think has a Probably I'd guess guess around you know 30 40 percent chance to be the Mergetory boot next week and so Cedric may be okay not have to pay the price where say doesn't have the chance to ultimately vote him out the reason why I don't like that move that Cedric made so much was

because that we know say doesn't feel great about Cedric and he ends up now going out on a limb, taking out Bianca to ultimately save Say, who Say I don't think would have done the same for him. Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I think that, you know, I did give it to him, but actually the correct choice was actually probably to give it to the lost votes.

I think that, I think we have to consider. Yeah, yeah, team Flint. Because you know what? You know, I'm gonna save my hot take. I don't hate lost votes. I don't. Hey, I have given you a lot of credit over the years as that I have said that you have been one of the people

who made a lost vote work to your advantage in an incredible way. And I think that Bianca had an opportunity tonight to make a lost vote really work to her advantage. Mm hmm. A thousand percent. And I think that I think that lost votes are actually necessary in a six tribe format to make it more interesting because otherwise, you know, we're dealing with a three, two vote on both tribes. The last two episodes, super boring. And that is, I think that having lost votes in such a small tribe is impactful.

I think the bigger question is, should you be doing these small tribes all the time? Probably not. But in that situation, I do think it makes it kind of interesting. The thing I, what I think matters is how you lose your vote. Like I don't really love the, like, you know I, what I think matters is how you lose your vote. Like I don't really love the like, you know, you went on the journey and you must lose your vote. I think there should always be a question or a debate or a challenge or something.

I think everybody's in agreement that like, let's not just do just random luck for the journey. So like, you know, let's have it be some kind of skill. I don't even mind if you don't have an option to opt out, but I think that everybody was pretty much in agreement. Dice game, not the best one that came up with. Yeah. I want to see three people come together. There is an extra vote, a lost vote, and then something else, like maybe an idol that last one tribal council or something like that or two. And they have to unanimously decide how those are going to be distributed or like one is no advantage or

whatever. and if they can't decide they all lose their vote. Yeah I think we had that a little bit last season. With Meanie, Caroline and yeah I feel like I want to see more of a negotiation. Okay all right well very exciting stuff and congratulations to Cedric winner of Fishy Award. Anything else from your notes about this episode tonight? No, I really liked it. I thought it was great. I think this season, this cast is full of big personalities and I'm not really sure who's gonna win.

I feel like a lot of different people have paths to win right now. And I think it's been very, even though we've had a disaster tribe, it's still been interesting to me. And I feel like we still know all of the groups, whereas other times, like I think on's been very, even though we've had a disaster tribe, it's still been interesting to me. And I feel like we still know all of the groups, whereas other times, like I think on Survivor 46, I feel like we really did not know two of the tribes as well as Yanu. And I think that this has been more balanced.

It's been a wild pre-merge all the way around. And, you know, they have done, I think, a good job of creating exciting television, you know, as far as like these lost votes, and I think that people have argued of, okay, was it not fair? And I think that that's certainly a debate you could have, but it was exciting. And I agree with Shannon Gus's analysis

of the deadlock versus the tie vote, and why what they did was actually the right thing. Okay, do you wanna talk that through? Well, so I agree like on paper that if you lose your vote, it makes sense kind of what they were doing. I think it's more interesting if people involved in a tie don't just don't vote at all because then you can gain the lost votes

in a more interesting way. However, if they're going to stick and to be fair, the president has already been set with their three-way tie votes where they don't let those people vote. So allowing the Sierras to vote now, allowing the Cays to vote now actually is inconsistent with the lost votes they've done in the past because in a three way tie, they should all vote them, but they don't. However, in this situation, the rules for the deadlock tie were always anybody not involved in the deadlock for the deadlock tie were always anybody not involved in the deadlock has to agree unanimously whereas on a tie revote it's the majority rules and so I agree with Shannon Gus that when it gets

down to the deadlock situation with Say and Cedric allowing Say to participate in that conversation is too OP. She already had a bit of an advantage over the loss vote by getting to vote in the tie breaker but it's too much power if you then carry over to the deadlock. Yeah. And I had said that I felt like that Cedric had already voted that say should go home on the first vote. And so Cedric should only be able to,

like had Cedric voted for Justin and then he could switch his vote to say, but I don't think that Cedric should only be able to, like, had Cedric voted for Justin and then he could switch his vote to say, but I don't think that, that Cedric should have had any other choice other than to vote for Justin or go home. Like, I don't think that he could have said, I've decided again, say is still the person I want to go home. Yeah. That's where Shannon, Gus and I disagree with you, Rob. But that's okay.

It's all subjective. Look, it's an interesting debate. Okay. And survivor decided that it it's that it's one way. And so, you know, that's that's how it is. But I do. I guess I don't know what is the role on the three way tie now. That's what we need to know. I'm sure somebody needs to just do that so we can find out. We'll find out one of these days. Okay. Let me tell you about some other fun stuff we have going on. And so I don't know if you know this, Omer, I think you do, because you've written for it,

that we have a reality TV newsletter, it's a weekly info blast called The Confessional, and this week, Teenie from Survivor 47 wrote an amazing piece about what it's like to be a Survivor contestant and have your season be airing and have that experience of having people on the internet comment on watching you. Omar, how did you deal with that?

You know, this is a great article, and if I read more, I would have read it. I'm just not a... I haven't read a book voluntarily since the grade eight, but I think that this is a very interesting... I just read the opening to this, and it is fascinating. You go from the most... Like, literally, you have nothing out there, and then you're always online. But I think that this is a very interesting, I just read the opening to this and it is fascinating. You go from the most like literally you have nothing out there and then you're always online.

And I think for me, I knowing the survivor, like I was such a fan the whole time and I was part of the online community for a very long time as well. So I kind of knew what to expect to some degree. And then also to be fair, the internet was very nice to me. Yeah, I think if they had not been nice to me, it would have been a harder experience. And in that case, I probably would have deferred away from reading stuff and having just my family send me the good stuff.

So I think it is, I did fine with that part of it, but I also was very lucky. And that's not the experience for most people. It's a great piece. Everybody should check it out. RealityTVnewsletters.com to read it for free and check out what Teenie had to say about that. And then check out the Blood on the Clock Tower crew. Now, Omer is normally with us on this one. We missed you on this one, but all hell broke loose over on survivors playing Blood on the clock tower. Check that out on our YouTube channel.

If you're listening to the podcast, go to watchrhap.com to watch survivors play a very fun game of blood on the clock tower. I'm there. If you need your Stephen Fishback fix for the week, he's there as well with a bunch of survivor greats, including Omar's great friend, Mary Ann. And so check that out.

A very, very fun episode called And Dwight the Liar. The Dark Knight, yes. Then Omer, have you checked out any of my old school interviews this season? I have, I'm in the middle of Abbey Maria. So once I'm done that, I'll move on to Todd's. Yeah, Abbey Maria was incredible.

And then I had a really great interview with Todd Herzog the other night. A very fun to hear about what he's up to Maria was incredible and then I had a really great interview with Todd Herzog the other night. Very fun to hear about what he's up to and some thoughts on Survivor 48 and then some thoughts about all things Survivor. You could check that out. I've really enjoyed getting to do these old school interviews catching up with people and you should check that out in the podcast feed or at watchrhap.com.

Then you don't Dondi, do you? Love Dondi. Oh, love Dondi. Yes, super, no spoilers, super exciting finale of Deal or No Deal Island. Check out myself, Jenny and Chappelle, recapping the finale. And we have our interview up with the winner

of Deal or No Deal Island. You can catch that in our podcast feed and go to weknowdondee.com. Then, The White Lotus, you watched The White Lotus? This is the first season I've watched. Okay, all right. And without spoilers, you into it? You like it?

Yeah, yeah, I'm into it. I think it's a bit slow for me, so I'm waiting for it to really get going. Okay, all right, check out Josh Wigler and I have recaps through episode six. We actually talked to Christian Hubecky last week about his appearance on The White Lotus. We talked to Godfather Carl earlier in the season.

That's at weknowscripttv.com. And then brand new show just dropped. It's called million dollar secret Chappelle and Scali are Recapping it in the nothing but Netflix feed you can hear all of their coverage when you go to nothing but pod Dot-com have you heard about the million dollars? There's a lot of briefcases full of money and Netflix reality show it's not deal or no deal But somebody has somebody has all the money

That's what I know. Okay. It's a reality show Chappelle said it's a really good format so you could check it out And if you want to know more information that they did a podcast why you should watch million-dollar secret and then earlier tonight Omer and I were chatting it up with all of the survivor Glitterati where we are every single week over on chatBCC. Go to robinswebsite.com slash VIP chat to join for free and hear all the things that Omer is saying. Omer is so funny during the episode, always has so many keen observations. If you say so. Yeah. He you say so. Yeah.

He's doing great. Check out us and what, over 20 survivors there, just chatting during the episode, talking about all the survivor news of the week. That's over at chatbcc.com, at RobinHasWebsite.com slash VIP chat. All right, what's coming up for you, Omer? Not much, just heading into summer.

It's finally here after the very long, cold, gross winter. So very excited for that. Okay, yeah. I didn't know that you were so affected by the seasons. It's because I hate driving in the snow, Rob. And I don't have the luxury of living in the South where you don't get any snow. I live at the top of the south.

All right. Well, how much snow do you get? I actually snowed a few times this year. Oh, okay. Well, that's global warming for you. Yeah. It was the first time in a couple of years we had some snow. We had a couple of dull things.

I guess. Maybe I should move down there. Hey, I wouldn't complain. Actually, I think now's not the right time. No, maybe not. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I went to that Condor facility in Charlotte. Oh, you'll have to tell me more about that.

I kind of want to go do a placement there. OK, yeah, that's why I'm telling you. All right. Yeah, I mean, it was like two years ago when I went. Oh, OK. Yeah. But I texted you the day I went there. You did. I remember that. Yeah. OK, all right. Well but I texted you the day I went there. You did, I didn't remember that.

Yes, yes. Okay, all right. Well, thank you all so much for watching us. I love to read what you have to say in the comments all Thursday morning. I'm reading what everybody had to say about the episode. So please don't be shy. Of course, you can give us some likes on the videos.

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