RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 48 Ep 6

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Today, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 48 episode 6.

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Thank you. I'm a little sick, so I'm a little muted and I might be hacking up my lungs today, which is great for a podcast. It's audio medium, that's how you get real pure hacking. Okay, all right. Hang in there, Stephen. Thank you. Yes, okay.

We are sending you strength to get through this podcast here today to talk about, can you believe it, Char charity voted off at the merge. Nobody saw this coming tonight, Steven. Maybe one of the most expected boots in I think, you know, in a long time. Yeah, I do feel like that this is a night where I feel like I could have done the podcast

this morning before I watched the episode, but nevertheless, we do have some stuff to talk about because sort of an interesting vote and I think a lot of tabling table setting going on here for what should be a very exciting post merge. I thought it was like a boring vote. At first I was like why are so many like a six five vote like fascinating or six five what do you seven five seven five five one is that a first have we had that one is that votagami definitely feels new um but i was then afterwards i was like wait a second this actually um is a very uninteresting vote so i'm looking forward to discussing further all right we'll talk about all that but we have of course a lot of stuff

coming your way this week on the podcast. Your friend and mine, Christian Hubecky, will join me on Thursday. And then we've been doing that. I talked to a new school person for Thursday and then an old school person. Had a great chat with Ron Clark the other day. But this week, I'm talking to an old school person

and then I'm gonna talk to a new school person later in the week. So I'm talking with Christian tomorrow. Is Ron Clark old school? Hey, did he play 39 days? No, no he didn't. Well, he was in a 39 day season. He had the option.

He had a 39 day season. Christian is old school? Yeah. What are we, Rob? I mean, I'm the golden era. You're middle school and like, you know, we're all old school. You're like the golden era bachelor,

I guess not the bachelor. Yes, like the golden bachelor. That's right. Yeah. Hey, single digits, baby. Yeah, that's remarkable. When I was on 18, we were like, oh my gosh, those has-beens who are on nine and eight,

God, look at us now. Yeah. Okay. Well also check out my exit interview with charity tomorrow That's part of everything we have going on over at we know survivor Dot-com and on Friday, I will be taking calls from our patrons on our patron call-in show. All right, so Steven yet let's talk about this vote because I thought for a second that they almost got me. I was like, okay, Say's going home. There were so many votes for Say. And I thought maybe there might be like,

it might be two votes Say, and then we were gonna get like 10 votes for charity. But there were five votes for Say here. and so was this just a simple vote split? Or was there something more nefarious going on? I think it was a vote split. I just think it was a simple, I mean, because you look at who voted for each of them, and it's such a mix up.

Every single vote was a mix of the different lines. Can I give the names real quick? The votes for say ended up being Mitch, David, Eva, Charity, and Shaheen. Yep. And so three of those people are from the SEVA Alliance, which means that there's three other people from the SEVA Alliance voting for Charity.

You wanna do the Charity names? No, it's everybody. Say voted for Cedric and then everybody else. Yeah. So what's interesting is like, you know, of the groups that the show is, is, is, you know, this, maybe there's a Siva Alliance, but then they, they split evenly half for say half for charity. Um, you know, the old Loggy also split evenly. You have Eva and Shaheen voting for say, then you have Star and Joe voting for,

who am I missing here? Star and Joe voting for Charity. So all of the groups kind of split up. You have Mary and Cedric voting for Charity and then of course Say voting for Cedric. Maybe that's got to be like a free, that's got to be a, um, a shot in the dark, uh, protection, right? Charity pulls something out. The fact that Shaheen, Eva and Joe are not on the same page, like doesn't strike me as that. There's like, there was any other plan that was going on. Yeah. Mitch, I believe was left in the dark, you know, Mitch voting for say left in the dark,

say voting for Cedric, I think maybe also. Left in the Dark? But then it's like she told me, I kind of think she has to be like, well, what if charity plays a thing and then it's all on me, so I'm gonna put my thing out there. But then obviously, it's still five to one,

but I don't know. I'm, I can't believe she was totally Left in the Dark. They have to know or something. I mean, she's- Why vote for Cedric? Yeah, maybe it was just like she didn't wanna, she didn't like, I don't believe she was totally left in the dark of that deal or something. I mean, she's- Why vote for Cedric? Yeah, maybe it was just like, she didn't wanna, she didn't like, I don't know. It's very confusing. Because let's say Charity plays the shot in the dark here and that's, and then, you know,

Say has seen this before with Mary and Mary ends up being safe. And now it's five votes for Say, Say's one vote on Cedric here. Yeah. Doesn't change the equation. No, I mean, it makes no sense. Maybe it's just like, I don say is one vote on Cedric here. Yeah. Doesn't change the equation. No, I mean, it makes no sense. Maybe it's just like, I don't need to be a part of this

and Cedric, you're on notice. If anything, say should play the shot in the dark herself as opposed to voting for Cedric. Right, right. Yeah, no, it's not, I mean, I'm sure there's a reason for it because I don't think she was left in the dark. She would have had to have been part of some plan. And maybe she was a part of some hypothetical

Cedric blindside, we just didn't see any of it. Yeah, I don't know. And the episode made it seem like there was a real momentum shift where maybe it could have been say, but even Mary votes for charity. Yeah, it seemed like the biggest issue was that the Loggy group, and we really got it, heard it from Shaheen,

did not want the possibility of a Civa six. The Civa six reuniting or forming for the first time. But we also knew that Civa didn't like charity. We knew David doesn't like charity. So it's not crazy. I think Camilla and Kyle didn't like charity. We knew David doesn't like charity. So it's not crazy. I think Camilla and Kyle didn't love charity. That was their whole initial bond was that they didn't, and Chrissy too, right?

That was that they didn't like charity. So it's no surprise, I think, that she's the one who goes here. It seemed like that there was a world where if charity and say could have gotten on the same page that both of them said like, hey, you know who we should get rid of Eva? We should blindside Eva. But then it was also that a charity was trying to throw Say's name out there. And so it never seemed to get back to say in the

episode that charity was throwing out Say's name. But I feel like if those two people could have gotten on the same page, we've seen say when she hears something, you know, she's has been able to get some support on her side that maybe that she could have gotten a few people together to throw some votes on Eva. But I feel like that says too much, you know, insulation there. Like that group, I mean, that group around Eva is huge. And it also like sort of expands to have basically the whole beach, because like that core with like Eva, Joe Shaheen, Kyle, then like Camilla is kind of like a secret ally there. You also have David in that group now with Eva. So it's like who's on the outside? I mean, Star is riding hard with Eva. You know, there's just like a handful of people on the outside of

that group right now. Yeah. Stephen, how about this big alliance in the middle? I mean, that this is like the prophecy of Coach has come together that we have a true warrior alliance built on honor and integrity right at the center of everything here. It took 30 seasons from when Coach first came up with the idea in season 18, but here we are. Happy 30 season anniversary to you, Steven.

Oh, thank you. I wonder who was voted out. Who was voted out in like episode six of Token Chains. It was someone like Sydney. Oh, Spencer, right, of course. So, yeah. Excuse me. Yes, it was very funny when at Tribal Council,

David said, you know, we're playing this season with honor and integrity and just like, what? You really haven't been to Tribal Council yet. So you can't really say that for sure. But it is fun. I mean, we don't wanna be the meat shields. We wanna pick on the nerds again.

You know, it's been too long that the nerds have gotten away with this S. And you know, at last, this is the revenge of the jocks, Rob. Yeah, it's all happening. Even though Camilla is like right there, a hidden ally among the jock alliance and all the big strong players have finally come together.

Is it tough, do you think, for Mitch as a coach to not be a part of the prophecy of coach? Look, Mitch has been such a strong player in the challenges all season long. That's like the irony of this. He might be one of the best challenge performers. Mitch is an amazing challenge performer. That's not even, I mean, like, it's just like, he's consistently fantastic at challenges.

And Mitch, if you're listening to this, if we gave fishies for challenges, you would have received so many of them. Well, that's why he says that the fishy award is a broken award that rewards losers for losing. He's not wrong. He's been too successful. Yeah, well, it's true.

I mean, it's a strategy award, and the strategy all comes down to the people who are up for elimination, and how they kind of maneuver around that. Yeah, but he's got that Keith Nail dexterity of any challenge where there's a ball, take a shot, like he is so money in those. Uncanny, just unerring.

Yeah. Yeah. So Stephen, where do you- And his running form when he was running through the jungle, I thought it was just- Oh, that was good? I didn't even notice that. Yeah, oh, I thought it was great. Yeah.

Well, Stephen, we probably get next week the double tribal council. And so I wonder if there could be a way that this breaks down, that one of these groups, it looks like that we have this big, comfortable middle for these power players, but you never know how it's gonna shake out next week. Do you think that this big group runs things for a while,

just picking off the likes of the people that are on the outs? I feel like they've got a couple votes in them. I mean, normally these things like fall apart so quickly, but I do feel like this sort of chest thumping group is, you know, might actually like ride strong for a couple of votes. We might get to see like the great strategy of South Pacific speaking of coach where a big group just votes out the other group. You know, we might get to see that replayed. You know, we didn't get to hear your takes last week and Omer filled in for you and did an incredible job. What were your thoughts about the Cedric last second

decision to flip his vote over? I think he was right. I mean, first of all, kudos to Omer. I thought that was a good fishy choice. I think I probably, you know, because I'm like a more evolved, like kind human than Omer, would have probably like been, you know, because I'm like a more evolved, like kind human than Omer, would have given probably like been, you know, overwhelmed with a desire to give it to like either Joe or Eva just for this powerful moment that transcended the game, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I do think Cedric was the right choice. He was the, you know, he's such, it was his move. He got done what he wanted to get done, which is I think how, how kind of Omer phrased it. And it made sense. Like Bianca was lying to everybody. She was like playing these two groups against each other. You know, that is the person you want to get out. The person who is lying to everyone and like playing everyone against each other. So, you know, to take her out, instead of say who he does have this long-standing, somewhat rocky, questionably antagonistic relationship with, I don't think it's a bad choice. What was your take?

On who should get the fish you want? I think it was tough. I was glad that I didn't have to give it out last week. It's heavy as the head that wears the rotten fish. It is very heavy because we didn't really know and I think it's still unclear what had happened that I had thought that Mitch played a vote against Say just in case Say had an idol

but it turns out that Mitch was left out of the vote. It was that only Cedric was able to get some sort of a signal to Chrissy and I asked Bianca in my exit interview what happened, when did he do that? She said I watched him like a hawk. I never saw it. Yeah, I mean, maybe it was like, it could have been one of those sort of like

frowned upon places, like in like the pre-challenge tent or like maybe like walking in from, you know, with the torches, like he could lean in and whisper. I mean, that's, I was kind of alluded to that. I was like, I'll tell you right before, like in Cambodia, I was like, I'll tell you right before tribal if we need to do this. And one of the camera man, whoa,

one of the camera man like pulled me aside and was like, you can't do that. You really can't do that. And I was like, no, no, I know. I'm just like saying it for the drama. But, you know, so it could have been one of those spots. Yeah, well, I did have a moment like that in Survivor the Amazon where that,

when we actually had Chrissy who, Chrissy who was alluded to this season, Mitch's hero, that at the vote where she went home, she famously couldn't make up her mind. And she was like, I don't know, I might do this, I might do that. And then we were like getting mic'd up for tribal council. And she came to me and said, okay,

I'm voting with you guys tonight. I was like, I wish you would have told me that an hour ago. I could have done something about it. It's too late. The die is cast, Kristi. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry for you. Yeah. Yeah. But I was like, so I did get, you know, some information at one of those times. And I was just like, oh, that's too late. Yeah.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, cause I gotta tell everybody else to change the plan. Like I tell Matt, you know, come on. What am I doing? No, too late. Too late. You can't make up your mind like that. That's too late.

Yeah. But okay. In terms of how it played out this week, I thought it was interesting to get Cedric's opinion where he's like, hey, Bianca was playing all of us. Like he really seemed to take some offense to, she was trying to get us to vote each other out, and then ultimately I thought he spun it in a really good way.

I just don't know why Sae voted for him tonight. Yeah, it's funny that she, it's true that he keeps saving her, but he also does keep throwing her under the bus at the same time. Like for him, I do think there would have been something somewhat liberating about just voting her out last week. So obviously like that's where like the question of Cedric, you know, being fishy worthy comes from, because he has this contentious relationship with Say,

I still think it's better to play with players who you have a relationship with, you know? Even like if you have some sort of like tortured thing, to have like, to be in that sort of, they're like on circle is better than to be with someone who's like literally just like playing you against other people while they wait to rejoin their group. Yeah. And we saw at one point, Se and Cedric and Mary all back together,

sort of like working as a functional three. And I was like, look at this, look at them. But then we saw Mary like, I wanna get rid of Say. That was a very funny, like side by side, where like Say's like, it's so great to be back with Mary. Like, I'm just like so happy. We've like put all our differences behind us. And Mary's like, I can't stand her.

Yeah, she's like, I'm only wearing green because I don't wanna be naked on television. Unlike people I played Survivor with. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot of nudity in the new era, right? Yeah, I probably frowned upon, you know,

I feel like we're in like a more, you know, I think you're not even supposed to like cuddle in the shelter anymore. Right, okay. No, I really, I think so. I think that like- I get that, yeah. It's not the nude era, people, okay?

Yeah. It's a very clothed era. Yeah. Survivor was born into this world back in its infancy with naked people. Yeah, true, true. Some of the great naked people on TV. Well, that's part of the new era

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Conditions apply. Visit rbc.com slash ioncards. Steven, so from here, who do you think is in danger? I mean, I definitely think Say is in danger. I mean, she seems to be like a unanimous vote basically. Like I don't see how she, I mean, on the other hand, I've been thinking she was in danger literally every week we see.

She has nine lives. Yeah, I mean, first episode I thought she might've been voted out. Second episode for sure I was like, she's gone this week and she is really persistent. So and she's been shown to like, it's not like, she's been shown to like pull stuff together. So we'll certainly see. And the Cedric Say story is very fun. Yeah, and Cedric kind of had a down episode in terms of his morale. He seems like that he's

really struggling in the challenges. Had to have a pep talk from Star in this episode. It was a beautiful moment, I love that. And it was really a coming out party for Star tonight. I really think that Star could be up for some big things in the post-merge. We didn't get to hear from you last week. What did you think about Star giving the idol to Eva? That was such a great, first of all, like,

it felt like such a genuine, authentic, beautiful, like, human moment. Like, this was, you know, Star kind beautiful, like human moment. Like this was, you know, star kind of like putting their bad past into the past. You know, it was her sort of building a bridge to the future. I don't know, you know, creating an alliance with Eva. I also don't feel like it's horrible strategy, like to not have the public idol in your pocket. You know, as we saw, there's a lot of heat on Eva simply from having that idol. I think that that creates a like a big target on someone if everyone in the whole game knows that you have an idol,

like suddenly they're all like, we've got to get her out. And then once you're on the list, you're on the list, you know, you're on the target list. So I do think like it was both like a lovely human gesture. And also, I don't even think she necessarily meant it to have this kind of like second tier strategic level, but I wouldn't want that public idol in my pocket. And it suddenly, it has made Eva a big target. And I wonder like, if Eva plays the idol, will she, you know, just burns it, gets rid of it somehow. Is she still on the target list?

You know, because like once you're there, it's really hard to get off. Yeah. I think that Eva now with this known Alliance and then also with an idol, I think might be a bigger target in the eyes of some of the people. The issue though is that Eva is so ensconced in the internal power structure of the game right now. It's only the people like say in charity realizing how dangerous this could be. So I actually think that Eva is in a pretty decent position

with all of this. I liked when Eva told Joe that, hey, don't tell anybody. Star gave me the idols. Like she did it in front of like nine people. Well, that was funny. Like throughout the whole episode, like we can't tell anybody this,

but Eva has a secret idol. And we heard that like in four or five, like conversations with like eight or nine people, like don't tell a soul, but I have got some scoop for you. Yeah, I'd love to just talk about the merge vote this season as opposed to last season. And this is something that we've tracked over the course of the history of Survivor Know-it-Alls. For many, many years we talked about how the merge vote is

this challenge threat somebody who's going to go on to win the game in this season it does seem as though and with last season too that the person who's the merge vote is the person who is the personality who is really irking people and even this season it was between charity and say two people who are creating the most waves in the tribe. Do you think that there's been a shift that's gone on? And of course last season Rome was that person who was the personality who was irritating the most people.

So you are saying this is a merged tribe. It said on the screen merged tribe. Wow, that's crazy. It did before, I missed that, before the actual merge. Merge Beach, yeah. But they said Merge Beach, that's different than Merge Tribe, yeah. Yeah.

It's very confusing. Like you've not made the merge. They say, no, Justin, you haven't made the merge. You don't have the merge buff. Or maybe you've made the merge, but you don't have the merge buff. It said on the screen tonight, and I've typed it out, merge beach.

Merge beach does not mean merge. It's so silly. Obviously they're merged. They are literally merged. We talked about this last season. They are literally merged. You can't be like, you haven't learned the merge yet. And I think they should all just have the feast. Just feed them.

It's such a nice moment. But in terms of like, I wonder, I mean, I do think some of it is this six person tribe, right? Where people have been playing on six person tribes, they've only ever seen six person tribes for the last number of seasons. So suddenly you get to a 13 person tribe. It's huge. It's completely unwieldy. I started Cambodia on a 10 person tribe. I got to 13 people and I was like, whoa, this is, you know, suddenly like orders of magnitude more complex. At our merge, to go from six to 13 is crazy. That is like a huge leak in just the complexity of the game that you're playing.

So it's no surprise to me that they're taking somewhat conservative choices. Yeah, and it's also that they have not been together for too long. Like in the past, you'd have the three day episode cycles, you merge and it's like day 19 and then you're voting somebody on day 21. This is just two days of like one full day of everybody being together and then a long challenge and then basically back to the beach and try to figure out who's going to be going home.

Right, exactly. I mean, there's just no time to get a plan together. So you kind of just have to go like, okay, who do we like? Who do we not like? Fine, let's like pile votes on that person, which is what happened. They piled votes on the two people who were more of the socially removed. Yeah. And let's talk about this challenge and everything.

And we talked about this last season, but I really feel like, you know, we spend a lot of time on this in terms of the merge challenge and, you know, once upon a time it was, who's gonna be safe, but this is like a long challenge for basically reward. Yeah, it really is.

That's very funny. Yeah, it's a long, arduous challenge. I mean, it's quite a reward, right? The merge feast has to be like the best meal of the game. Right. And also there's that celebratory aspect of it. But yeah, yeah, that's a very funny, good point. It was a tough, it's tough.

It was a grueling challenge too. It's a grueling challenge that they have built in. So I think that like the grueling challenge part of it where it was like six of you are gonna be safe, six of you aren't. So the challenge is still very grueling at this point in the game. And then we get the mud back again.

And it's- Well, they're being birthed into the merch. They're being birthed into the merch. You understand how birth works. I understand how it works. You run through the mud under a balance beam and that's how you're bored. It's confusing for me because I really,

now we have two random groups and I really, I don't even know what group I'm rooting for because I hardly know who's on the thing. I don't even know how Jeff knows it to be calling it out. And I'm like trying to keep track of like, wait, who's on which group? And they're all in mud. When did the birth mud fixation like even start with Jeff?

I feel like this is not like a longstanding survivor tradition. I did not get birthed into either of my seasons. No, no, but. Why not baptism? Do a baptism by water or something, you know? Just like a little mud on them? No, just like water.

Like, you know, cause like water, you're baptized into it and you're clean. You know, I can see who you are. Yeah, I have no issue with the metaphor. It's just very hard to tell who's doing what. I mean, water could be a birth, I mean, baptism is a rebirth, like water is a birth metaphor.

People have water birth. You don't need mud to do a birth metaphor. Yeah. Oil, you can have an oil birth. I mean, yeah, you know, I'm just saying, like there's a lot of ways to do it without it being so unrecognizable. Yeah, anyway, I digress.

And then we had the immunity challenge afterwards where it's ultimately Kyle who wins individual immunity. Didn't really seem like he needed it. No, but it was great, great. And he, you know, great guy. Seems like a great guy, so I'm happy for him. Seems like a great guy. You know, last week we saw that Kyle and Camilla

formed that alliance with Joe and Shaheen. And it was such a nice moment, nice story point for the four of them. But I was thinking back to that and really that looms so large in that it's really like that alliance coming together, what might've been if after that tribal council where Thomas went home, that those two sides, that they never patched things up.

Like this is a completely different vote tonight. Yeah, yes, you're right. Cause then it would be very, those rivalries would be much more intense. I think you're right that this is kind completely different vote tonight. Yeah, yes, you're right. Cause then it would be very, those rivalries would be much more intense. I think you're right that this is kind of the nexus cause we even saw, you know, Kyle vouching for Joe to David. I mean, of course that milk bond is interesting. You know, you think like what would have happened,

you know, maybe they didn't need Kyle and Camilla because they have this connection over milk. How much milk do you drink Rob? I don't drink a gallon a day. I don't drink very much cow milk at all. Really? What kind of milk do you drink? I do almond milk.

Huh. I drink like a little bit of milk with my coffee. I'll have some warm milk, lactose free. Does that affect, like, would I look like Joe and David if I drank a gallon of milk a day? A gallon of lactose free milk? Lactose, that can't be like the muscle stimulating part of it, is it?

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know a lot about it, to be honest. That's, you know, I think you have to be like, certainly like lifting weights also. Okay. I know it's like, it was like some, like the gallon of milk is like part of the strength product.

Some things are. I think that if you just drink the gallon of milk, but don't lift the weights, I don't know if it does anything. Yeah. Okay. You gotta start somewhere though. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe somebody like can tell us what the macros are

on the gallon of milk. Yeah. A lot of calories too. Well, I think that's the idea. You know, it's like feeding your huge pecs. I guess so, yeah. But you seem like that you texted me, you said, should I be drinking more milk?

Yeah, I'm asking you here now too. You were like, yeah, you should drink more milk. You endorsed it. And you're ripped, so I mean, you must be doing some stuff. Yeah, that's what I do. We can have milk or milk substitute. I didn't like almond milk. I can't believe it.

Yeah, no, I just like on cereal. Yeah. Not using a ton. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right, well we did all the milk talk. Anything else?

We've done birth, mud, milk, what else? What other like liquids? Like the blue merge buff, that was cool color. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah, okay. No, but for Joe and Shaheen, I think that they really ended up doing a good job because that SEVA 6 could have come back together

had they not reformed that bond with Kyle and Camilla. Yeah, that was the core of it, I think, and it does seem, what do you feel? You're a nerd, you're a puzzle solver, you're a social player. How do you feel about You're a nerd, you're a puzzle solver, you're a social player. How do you feel about potentially now being a target? Are you rooting for the jocks because, you know, it's time for a change or are you still rooting for the nerd?

It's kind of a no-win situation where, you know, we're rooting for these people because they have been the most fleshed out people on the season. I mean, I feel like that Kyle and Camilla are like the secret nerds. Who even are the nerds this season? Who are these like puzzle solvers and social players other than Camilla? Yeah, we don't have like the Karsans that are out there. Yeah, like what are the people? Truly, who even are they targeting? Has there been a player more dunked on post-playing than Carson of that basically,

he was celebrated in Survivor 44. And since then, we just have a constant stream of, you know who I hate? These 3D printing, puzzle solving nerds. They are gross. Losers, cheaters, I hate them. And so many people have followed suit. are gross, losers, cheaters, I hate them. And so many people have followed suit.

Yeah, well, I mean, it is feel like, you know, this is like the least nerd forward season, I think we've seen in a while. And they got rid of all their puzzle solvers and nerds. So truly, like, what is this? Who's the, it's not like, who, who? I'm looking at this. Steven, maybe you've done your work too well.

You're saying like, yes, more hot people, celebrate them. And then we've gotten like completely to like, even the people on the show are like, we hate the nerds. The people online are like, we hate the nerds. Like social media is like, nerds suck, enough of them. They're boring, annoying. Go on Reddit, We hate nerds. Like the nerds have like a worse approval ratings than

somebody in a lot of different ways. Somebody bad. Somebody dislike. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it is wild. It feels like there's a real a real, you know, change happening. I'm happy to be leading that anti-nerd advocacy. Very anti-nerd sentiment out there.

Which was like, Camilla and maybe Cedric and then Shaheen is the third nerdiest guy out there. So it's like, think about it. Monster slayers should be aware unless they become monsters themselves. That's right. How are Kyle and Camilla getting away with still that they're not that close?

Well, what's funny is like, yeah, I mean, I was gonna say what's funny is that it's not obvious. Like somehow nobody knows. I think that is actually gonna be one of the things that tears this other alliance apart at some point, right? It's like, they're gonna target the nerd, the biggest nerd. And so like at some point, I think Kyle's gonna have to do some, you know,

fancy footwork to keep his group intact and also save Camilla. If we get the split tribal council, do you have some folks that you think are very much in danger based on how the split tribal councils have gone? I mean, I do think still think Say is at risk. Again, every week she's at risk. I mean, because you have this big group, Mitch could be at risk.

Yeah, I do feel like that people go like hunting for threats at these double travel councils. Who is the person who's getting targeted? I mean, David, maybe? Like, who's the person who's getting targeted as that? I mean, Eva, I mean, there's Eva's, I do think there's a chance that Eva gets on the wrong side of the numbers, doesn't have, you know, her ride or dies out there and then they take a swing at her.

Yeah. I'm just trying to think about it. I wonder if Mitch is somebody who could be potentially looked at as, okay, he was the charity ally, he's left out of this, he's done well in the challenges. Could he be somebody who's also, and maybe Chrissy too is also maybe at the bottom of SEVA, who once upon a time was allied with Kyle and Camilla, but maybe isn't considered to be one of these people who are in this big core middle.

Yeah, I mean, we haven't seen a ton from Chrissy. So it's really hard to get a sense of like what her actual, but we just haven't seen her as being a part of these big groups that we know are kind of driving things at least for now. But there was that big group on David versus Goliath, speaking of old school that was like, they lasted for like a week, right?

Like there was that huge coming together of those two groups at the merge. And then like, it was like a week and then they fell apart. So it's not like this is gonna drive the whole season. On David versus Goliath, I mean, there was the Strike Force 6. Yeah, Strike Force. But I think that was only for one,

I don't even know if it was real. I was just like one episode where like, yeah, this is the new thing. Mike White was just playing like some of the Davids, but then the Goliaths would still vote together. Yeah, and we saw obviously like the six, you know, in 40, 46. I didn't do so hot.

That didn't work, it's got so great. Yeah, so we don't know how long this is gonna last. Could we look back at Charity? Do we have any thoughts on Charity and what went wrong? Because Charity's story from the start of the game was that people do not care for her. They don't wanna work with her. She's rubbing people the wrong way.

Not really from any much of things that we saw on television. Yeah, I mean, she's rubbing people the wrong way, not really from any much of things that we saw on television. But one thing we knew- Yeah, I mean, she seemed lovely on TV. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I've lived with people, I literally just today was having a Twitter conversation with someone, I was like,

why did everybody pick on that blonde girl on Survivor Token jeans? And I was like, listen, if you would live with that blonde girl, you would also not have liked her. Sierra, Sierra Reid. I got it, I know. So, you know, but I don't want you thinking it was like, listen, if you would live with a blonde girl, you would also not have liked her. Sierra, Sierra Reed. I got it, I know. You know, but I don't want you thinking it was like Sydney. Sydney Wheeler was a bit, you know.

I never crossed my mind for one second that it was Sydney Wheeler. But you know, I think like there's just like, there are aspects to living with people where you find them annoying in ways that like, you don't always translate to television. There also of course is like a negative group element too, right, where like charity maybe got on the wrong side

of a certain group of people and that sort of just like persisted. And she wouldn't, I mean, well, from what we saw, she really was trying to play a hard and fast game, right? I mean, that seemed to be the case. She did try to play hard, nobody was reciprocating her energy. Steven, I have a treat for you today, okay?

All right, now, we have been really trying to make a meal out of your big presentation of the FISHY Award. And I had put a request out to the universe to, look, is there anything that we could be doing to make the fishy award presentation more of a celebration and so I have to give some special thanks to Eric Barger who created this THIS! and it was known as The Fishy. Well, it's time to see who passed the test. Who's in the best makings, who's the man of the best.

If you don't get it done, get fishy. It's time to walk the fishy. Very loud. That's extraordinary. Wow, wow. That's, That's unbelievable. That really surpassed what I could possibly have imagined for that.

That was, should we run that again? Maybe next week. That was remarkable. That definitely beats Mitch's tagline about, you know, award for losers for losing. What do you say, a broken award that rewards losers for losing? Yeah. Wow.

That really, that really, I think sets it up beautifully. I think that really says it all. Sets it up beautifully, but maybe a challenge for you this week to find out who deserves the coveted Fishery Award. This is a tricky one. And I really don't know. I do think like who, who most got their way, right? Let's talk about the various people who got their way this week and why any of them

deserves it. Bravo, put that on you. Let's talk. You should talk about it. David hated charity the most. And so charity ultimately is the person who ends up going. It brought even Eva and Star closer together when Star then ratted out Charity to Eva when Charity was saying Eva's name, which I think- Well, I've kind of got the sense that that was where it all began, was when Charity said, I mean, maybe not all began because there had been heat on Charity already,

but Charity went to Star and said, like, hey, you should get your idol back. Then I'm sorry. Yeah. And then Star goes to Eva and says, can you believe her? And you know, like my, my brother said, don't do, um, was it her brother or cousin? I think her brother-in-law. Brother-in-law. Okay. Said, don't, you know, be putting out names, but even in spite of her brother-in-law,

she did put out some names and those names ended up going home. So I think there's a pretty good case for Starr where she doesn't like the way charity's playing. The other person to consider is Shaheen. Shaheen sees the votes flipping onto Say and gets concerned that this is going to be, give room for a SEVA 6 to emerge.

And so he, I mean, the narrative that I saw was that, so he flipped them back and put them on, on, on Charity. What's your take? Yeah, those are two really great picks. I think that Shaheen and Joe, like for what they did last week with rebuilding a bond with Kyle and Camilla after the Thomas blinds. I mean, I think that there certainly could have been a world where they're like, well, never forgive them for what they did to Thomas. They killed the California girls.

We're going to get our payback. And so I think that they did play the long game, especially well to patch things up with Kyle and Camilla, but I would say- You're saying she and Joe? Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would say I feel like that of those two though, I think that Star had the better night. Star also reached out to Cedric and also formed a bond. And Star was somebody who had a pretty rocky pre-merge.

Star was on the outs all through the pre-merge. But then in one fell swoop, she gives the idol to Eva. Joe feels like that she is, okay, we need her as a number. She's back here. She rats out charity to Eva and then is really celebrated as a key cog in the group. And then also when Cedric is kind of down and out, Star builds Cedric back

up like I am feeling fishy for Star. I think that's it Rob. I think you've made the case. I don't even need to say it again. That was beautifully said. I think fishy for Star. When you fish upon a star. Hey, when, when, when, um, this is sort of a clock tower illusion, but you start giving the idol to Eva,

could be, you know, a star pass. No? It's like she gets the target off herself. She gives it to somebody else. Yeah. It builds an alliance that way. Star pass. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Steven, anything else from tonight's survivor? I feel like we pretty much covered it all. Let's see. I like, yeah, no, that was it. Oh, we gotta talk about, how about tribal council? Boy, Jeff was on one tonight. First off- Club Conde, how are we not talking about Club Conde?

To Club Conde. Two shout outs to Club Conde. Yeah. Here's my question for you, Rob. I know that Club Conde is now, the hottest reality TV podcast around starring Rob Cicernino and Chappelle. What was Club Kondo?

What does Club Kondo mean to Jeff? I think to Jeff, Club Kondo is like some sort of like hot nightclub. I don't know if it ever existed. To me, like I feel like that it is the ideal nightclub spot that you would try to get to, sort of akin to a night at the Roxbury. That you would wanna get out to,

like, hey, that place is happening, that's Club Condo. But it's in a condominium, this club. I don't know, that's a good point. Is it existing in somebody's abode? Is it somebody's dwelling? Is it a house party, a club condo? But that would be like a condo club. Not a club condo.

But Jeff talks about there's a lot of dancing that goes on at the club condo. You mean like the one, he does the robot? Bossanova. Oh, the Bossanova. He was doing the robot too though, right? He did mention a robot too. He didn't say he could do the robot, but he said that the Bossanova. Oh, the Bossanova. And he was doing the robot too though, right? He did mention a robot too. He didn't say he could do the robot,

but he said that the Bossanova is the one dance that he knows. Wow. Okay. I think Jeff was really trying to get something going at this tribal council. Yeah, he was trying. Yeah.

He was pulling out all the stops. Now, we've often talked about, we just wanna see like a big down the line vote, give all 13 people a vote, you know, that's where the action is. This was not that action packed. This was sort of boring. It was not the most exciting vote.

Do we need to do a maya culpa? Did we do something wrong? I wonder though, if they would potentially go from three tribes to two tribes, and then is that a way that we would potentially have that? But yeah, these last couple of seasons, we just have like, there's one squeaky wheel and everybody's just like piling their votes on.

I really do think that the difference in like a six, because like they get like so good at these like, really, you these really fine, small group manipulations and then to go to 13 people. That's really hard. I think that in situations like this, the power has not settled enough. And I think that people are sort of afraid

to stick their necks out where, as stars brother-in-law said, nobody wants to say a name everybody's like kind of playing tight and maybe the one person who might be overly aggressive we saw Rome last season we saw charity this season that's the person who it's sort of like boomerangs back around to so I think everybody is like very content to say okay let's just go with the easy vote here let's just okay so whatever is the name, the consensus name that's out there and nobody's trying to rock the boat at this big merge-atory vote. Can I make a point here too? Can I make a point

on this podcast for once? Um, the, I think they're also probably hurt by calling it a merge-atory instead of a merge. It is a merge, but I bet people are playing a little more conservatively because they want to like make the merge. So if they want to make them right, let me just get through this vote. And I was that's a really good point that you were gonna say. I was gonna say it was also we're right up against the jury. And I think the people are like, Hey, I don't want to stick my neck out. I'm so close. I made it this far. No, it's the same point. I mean, it's like, like, if they just made this, hey, this is the merge. This is the jury. People were going to open up a little bit because they're like, great, I've hit this milestone,

now's the time to go hard. But they're like, oh no, you've gotta wait until this next milestone, don't screw it up now. Yeah, so I think the players might be a little conservative to stick their neck out. It's a bottleneck, it's not the highest point. I'm trying to think of, in the new era, have we had a really

great vote? I feel like that the only time that we had some really exciting moments at this particular point was I think that maybe in 41 and 42, unless I'm missing something off the top of my head, I mean, Caleb, they turned the shot in the dark. Caleb hit the shot in the dark at this point, but it would have been that way. But he would have gone home in a 12 zero vote had he not hit the shot in the dark. Mariah goes home in this, Josh Wilder goes home in this, in season 43, escaping me off the top of my, oh, the Ellie vote, but that was only because

Gabler and Ellie had something, that was actually a decent one. But that was also when only seven people were, or six people were viable, right? Right. Very different time. And then in season 41 and 42, it was like the knowledge is power,

where that was where, and this was on the heels of the hourglass stuff, but it was when Leona is like, Xander, can I steal your idol? He's like, no, but you could have this fake idol. Oh, brah. fake idol. Oh snap. And then there was probably the best vote of all of these was when Omer is, he doesn't have a vote

and Marianne is potentially in danger and Marianne has her idol. And he's like, don't play your idol, Marianne. They get, they vote out Lydia there because Lydia went against the seven. So that's probably the best of these votes in the new era. Yeah. But it's been a minute.

Yeah. People are playing it very tight, very safe. Yeah. The Gabler thing was I like that Gabler was the only one who wasn't playing it tight. Yeah. And he was safe, because he was safe. Yeah. He was like, Ellie went through my bag.

All right. Steven, lots of great stuff. You feel like you have a finger on the pulse of the winner of this season. I think, excuse me, I think it's gonna, I mean, I still, I don't know, Joe, maybe Joe. I saw people say he had a zero confessional episode recently.

Well, but it was that episode where the California girls ended up getting played, right? I don't think he had any confessionals there. So in some people's minds that argues that he's being like protected from like the California girls looking like sloppy there, where, cause they got outplayed. But, but I mean, Camilla. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's talk about what's coming up.

What about you? Okay, so I'm so bad at this. I think that I could talk like about positionally. I do think Camilla and Kyle are in the best positions to move forward and win. Shaheen is somebody I think who's still interesting. But interestingly, Shaheen was like one of the few who got called out, right?

They were like, we're an alliance of men. Right, Shaheen had a bad episode in the Thomas boot, but I think that he could potentially still overcome that. And then Mary, I think is somebody who's still like an interesting character in the season. Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, I didn't have to talk about interesting characters. I think is somebody who's still like an interesting character in the season. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I didn't talk about interesting characters. I think they're all interesting characters.

No, I mean, in terms of like, that I could see going on to have a winner's journey. I don't know. Mary, I think Mary was a little like, we didn't see that much of her out of the gate. And then even this episode, there was not a lot of Mary. I mean, we had like to her with Say, but we didn't get a lot of like where she is, you know? So I, this, I thought hurt her overall winners at it,

but like people love Mary. And when you love a contestant, you're gonna always find a reason that they're the winner. Okay. All right, well, Steven, next week, I'm gonna be in Boston. You've got a special survivor know it all's plan

where Sam Fallon, fresh off his honeymoon, will be here. Talk with you. Is it Fallon? Not Phalen? Is it Phalen? I thought it was Phalen. I don't know. Okay.

Yeah. We'll discuss that and more. That might be it. We'll see. Yeah, very excited. It'll be a season only, or an episode only of Runners Up. None of this third place nonsense. Okay. And if you want to be there with us in Boston,

limited availability, I feel like the limited availability is a little too big in the sign, a little bit, it doesn't need to be over my face. It also looks like no, the way I'm reading it, it looks like no, it looks rejected. It looks like a rejected scale. So I don't know what we're going for here, okay? So check this out, limited availability, robiswebsite.com.

Is that the name of the event, is limited availability? No, I guess that there are a few tickets that got opened up. Oh, that's exciting. Mm-hmm, but we stamped it right over my face and the name of the event. Boom. Yeah. Rubber stamp, limited availability.

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What kind of availability? I think no availability. I think it's availability if you're a patron. I think we have availability for that. I talked with Josh Wiggler earlier this week and we talked about Boston Rob got voted out of Survivor Heroes vs. Villains. It was a No April Fools joke on April 1st, 2010,

when Boston Rob got voted out. We talked about, Coach started the podcast, we talked about the Warrior Alliance, and then we talked about him also in a night where he could have gone to rocks maybe to save Boston Rob, but didn't. I remember that, that was big, that was very big. He's a little man, said Boston Rob. Yep, that's what Boston Robb, but didn't. I remember that, that was big. That was very big.

He's a little man, said Boston Robb. Yep, that's what Boston Robb said. Yeah. Okay, I had a great conversation with Danielle Reyes on Saturday, who one of my heroes from my pre-Survivor playing days from Big Brother 3, famously. I loved my interview with Danielle Pouya

and I had the chance to talk with her. Check that out on our YouTube channel. Go to watchrhap.com for that great interview with Danielle Reyes. Of course, you could check out Survivors Playing Blood on the Clock Tower. We recently dropped episode three to rave reviews, Stephen. Yeah, truly, this was a great, a very fun episode.

And like the YouTube comments were like ecstatic. I've never seen more positive comments in one place than for this. So I strongly recommend it. Not even when you read the comments for these Know It Alls episodes? People like the Know It Alls, you know, but they love this episode of Survivors Play.

Yeah, all right. Then check us out, The White Lotus, season three, episode seven, get ready for the big finale coming up on Sunday night. Josh Wigler and I are talking about it over at weknowscriptedtv.com. And then there's a new show. Have you watched any Million Dollar Secrets?

No, but I really want to. Yeah, well, you could check out Chappelle and Scali talking about it over on our Nothing But Netflix podcast. Go to NothingButPod.com to check out Million Dollar Secrets. A lot of people have said that it's very good. Yeah, it looks, it's a very fun premise. Yep, and earlier tonight, Stephen and I were chatting it up with the survivor Glitterati

over on chat BCC. Come on in and join us. Go to robbinswebsite.com slash VIP chat. That's robbinswebsite.com slash VIP chat. Chat BCC might be like my favorite social medium that is out there. I just feel like it's very like fun. It's very like, you know, snappy, you know, club condo. Yeah. It's like club condo. That's right. Okay. And Steven, what else is going on for you?

I got nothing. Okay. All right. Well, Steven, I know you're playing Hurt today. So thank you for chatting with us about Survivor. Good luck next week with Sam. Oh, thank you. I'm really excited. I'll be back to talk with you in two weeks

after the Boston live show. So thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.