RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 49 Ep 10 Recap

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

Today, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 49 episode 10.

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yeah, no, it's right. Yeah, that's right. It's Thanksgiving week, and we have so much to be thankful for, as we talk through episode 10 of Survivor 49 here with my great friend who, who diverted his trip to Ecuador to be here with us tonight. It's Stephen Fishback. Rob, should we talk game or talk farts? We're just, listen, tell everybody that you are very gassy, okay? And then we'll be fine. No one will ask any questions about what we got into. We just had to, I have such horrible gas.

Have I eaten? No. But I have such horrible gas. I need to just go about a hundred. yards from everybody else and have this private conversation. Yeah, my whole brand is very digestive issue forward. So I think people would buy it. Yes. Okay. Stephen,

how are you doing? I'm good. You know, Thanksgiving, feeling very grateful for all the blessings in my life, foremost among which is you and the Rhabit. First and foremost, yeah. Number one. Number one. Among the, among the foremost, is that one. Yeah, okay. All right, well. Not poor, baby. Yeah, we have a lot

to talk about here today. And excited to break it all down a little bit of a different format for Thanksgiving week historically. Was your boot episode for Survivor Second Chances? That was Thanksgiving the night before Thanksgiving? Yeah, I think there was like a double episode. Yeah, it was great. I mean, I mean, that wasn't great in terms of the outcome. But in terms of like the two-part episode where Jeremy plays the idol on you in the first hour.

It was an intense episode. It was an incredible two hours. And so we are going to have our. exit interview we're going to get the chance to talk to juan on monday so hang tight i'm going to talk with baby andy coming up on thursday looking forward to that i'll still do the patron q and a on friday and then i have an old school interview with brett lebel people like what old school listen he played season 33 that's pretty far back that's crazy it's like 17 seasons ago that's a long time ago it's like um i loved juan i mean like i continue to love joan he was probably up till

now, my favorite character. He was a great character on the show, and I'm really looking for it. I was not expecting his downfall. I said last week that I very much predicted six votes for Alex. I did predict which side would be victorious, but I was very wrong. I really thought Sage was the person who was going to go out of tribal council. So you picked the Rizzo Savannah side. Why was that?

You know what? I felt like that a lot of momentum. And I really, I think that the most interesting player in all this to talk through is going to be yellow Sophie and I want to really get your take on whether or not she made the right call or not. But let me also just mention, we got, you know, so much going on here and we have some brand new merch that we have added to the Rob has a podcast store. Go to rob as a website.com slash merch to check this out. This is from, this is from, if you can see this, this is a R-H-A-P MTV shirt.

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Let's send it to you. Let's get into this because I thought that this was, I've said it a couple times here in the postmerge. I thought this was the best episode of the season. I thought this was super exciting, a really interesting tribal council, a really interesting decision that yellow Sophie had to make. I think there was a lot of bombs that were going to go off at tribal council and something that we've never seen ever before happen in Rizzo intentionally playing a fake idol seemingly just to mess with somebody. And so I would love to break it all down.

But I got to start with yellow Sophie. I think that I could see a world where she gets the fishy tonight. I could see a world where that you asked a question, why did she do this? Was this a good move? yeah i'm a little i mean she was that she is obviously the decisive character in this episode it did really seem like she could go either way um it seemed like the sage side had a really like very well thought out plan to flush all the idols i mean like sage's bs emerging to be a really really fun strategist um and like and then you know basically you know goes up in flames because of yellow

Sophie. And I am really curious to talk through whether that was the right choice or not. Yeah, it's so interesting because she was the last person to be a part of this group before and we've seen her go back and forth

with Savannah and really that split vote where they end up bringing her over. She's ready to like all I want to do is flush Rizzo's idol, blindside him, get him out of the game. And then MC tells Joanne the plan. And now look at where we are now from that moment, where it's unthinkable that it's yellow Sophie,

who was the ringleader of get Rizzo out of the game to now being the person to blow up the vote for the big move that that whole side had been waiting to do to get Savannah out of the game. She's the one who ruins it for that side. She ends up being the fourth person in a clear four-person alliance. and now with seven players left in the game. Now, four into seven is in, as Brad Culpepper would tell you. But is it just a case of, hey, great, I'm in the top four. Now, that's all I need to be. It's the new era.

I just need to be in the top four. I'll get to firemaking. And then when I have my chance, I'll get through the firemaking or win immunity, as we've seen her do two different times and also come in second, two different times. I just have to beat out Savannah for that last immunity. and I will then make my case to the jury and I've won the game. I mean, this is the problem, right? And we've certainly talked to this to death every single time this emerges,

is that you can be four in a four-person alliance. It's actually not such a bad place to be because nobody is targeting you because you're not the ringleader. You're not the head of the dragon. And yet, you know, you have ample opportunity and room to play. You can make it to the end as part of that alliance. And maybe she thinks, you know, when. and I'm compared against, you know, Savannah, who there's a lot of antipathy towards.

Maybe she doesn't want to be there with Rizzo Hard. We don't really know how she's envisioning that. But on the other side, she's five, right? On the other side, she has Christina and Steven. She could be on the bottom of either alliance. And better to be on the bottom of a four than on the bottom of the five. And I also think better to be on the bottom of a four where maybe you have more clear distinction between your game and the other players games.

Whereas if she's just like the bottom of the Hina group, you know, she's there with Stephen and Christina and herself. And then she has Sage and Joanne, both two type twos who like, again, like pre-new era, you'd be like, this is the perfect spot to be in pre-fire making. I'm like the one between the twos. I get to choose where to go. Now you're actually shut out of that relationship. She's really in the most interesting spot in the whole game because I could see a world

where also if she sticks with the other group, you know, that's really like two pairs over there where you have Sage and Joanne and then you have Christina and Stephen and those are two pairs and it's not the worst place in the world to be to be the fifth person if you're there with two with two pairs because presumably at five that the two pairs are going to fight for you and so that they're potentially and she can Stephen is the immunity threat over there. So she could have potentially gone that way, whereas to go with the four, that other side seems just so locked in of those three. Like, she's the clear four out of four.

On the other side, yes, she's five, but I feel like that there's a little bit more room to play and break up the pairs on the side of the five. See, I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean, because we know that Stephen was initially a part of that bottoms up alliance with Joanne and Sage. so I feel like that actually four is tighter and then why you know and then Sophie will probably be the target at five

they'll make a case so she's this immunity threat yeah you know she's the outsider whereas with this other four you know they all have a lot of negative you know Savannah has a lot of you know people not liking her she probably thinks she can win out in that group you know and then

you know she can I respond to that yeah yeah yeah I feel and I'm I'm really saying I don't know what was the best way for her to go one way or the other. So I don't want us to make it sound like, okay, she made the wrong decision because I don't even know if that's how I feel yet. But I would say that I don't think that that side was so locked in. We saw in this episode where Joanne was like grilling Stephen about that. Stephen didn't tell him about Christina's idol. And we see Joanne talking about Christina as being somebody who's being kind of shady that she didn't tell him about the idol. So I don't

necessarily see that side as being completely in lockstep on the other side. I just think they are tighter than Sophie is, than Sophie S is with any of those. Because like in terms of like in that group, Sophie is the target, right? Right. Sophie has been a target. Like that was the whole point was that, you know, all of these people on Hina were like, let's get out Sophie. And that kind of bummed out Sophie.

Whereas in this other group. And they really mishandled when she came back from the tribal council last week. And whereas the other, the Rizzo Savannah Sof side really has done such a great job of curating that relationship with her. I mean, ultimately, you want to be with people who want to play with you. But also, I think with this, if she goes with the Savannah Rizzo, um, SOF groups, a blue Sophie group, then she's not the biggest target over there, you know? So it's like nobody is gunning for her. Like the other side is gunning for some, uh, she's with that. that old Hina group with the bottoms up alliance,

I think she could be like an easy consensus target for everybody. So in some ways, just even like projecting forward to the next vote, she's probably safer with this group. And like to your point, like they are saying nice things to her. You know, they're treating her as about there's a very funny scene,

which I really loved when they were like, let's, you know, they're like, okay Savannah, you go talk to Sophie, ask, find out what she wants to do, like which one, if she wants to do Sage or Jawan

and make her feel like she's leading it. And so Savannah goes over to talks to Sophie and she's like, do you want to do Sage or Joanne? And Sophie, Sophie says, well, I think still think we should keep it on Stephen. And you can see Savannah wrestling. She's like, but which one, Sage or Jawan? I'm letting you choose, you know. Yeah. I'm trying so desperately to release.

It did seem like that they did defer to of Sage and Jawan. I do think that so yellow Sophie's preference was Jawan over Sage. that was the impression I got as well I mean she has better relationship with sage it seems like but but just in general it was funny to me that like Savannah was like trying to give Sophie the decision but like literally could not fully give her the decision because she's so used to being the one you know calling the shots and making those those choices now do you feel like that yellow Sophie potentially made too many enemies tonight do you feel like that if she ends up now on in the final three and we talked about a path where she could get

there has she put too many people on the jury in ways where they really feel betrayed where you have MC and Sophie went back and forth on the vote where she went out and now uh joan is presumably if you know sage and stephen and christina do they all feel betrayed by sophy or do they see it as game yeah i mean it's hard because you know you just don't know what someone is going to take personally. I mean, literally let this last, like the previous week, last week, Joanne and Sage completely blindsided

Stephen and Christina. So, you know, who were allegedly their allies in that vote. So it does seem like people are doing that move somewhat, you know, and then, but like just because you do it to someone else does not mean you won't be mad when it happens to you.

Joanne seemed like a good sport about it all. But is Sophie getting, you know, it's always the question of who's getting credit for it. Like, is Sophie S getting credit for this move, you know, or is Savannah, you know, are Savannah and Rizzo getting credit for having turned Sophie S? And I typically think it is the person on the top of the, and this is the problem

of being the person in the middle is that you're always, you don't, no one gives you like full agency. You're always seen as like a piece for other people to move. So when you do get to the end, people are mad at you, but they don't give you respect for your moves. They see like the Savannah's on one side or the Joanne and Sages on the other as being responsible for pulling you over. but they don't give you credit for making that choice.

Stephen, one of the questions that we had in the last episode was, did Joanne and Sage also know that Sophie was going to also be voting with Rizzo and Savannah and Sof on the last vote? Did they know that did they think that they were only going to be five votes on Alex or were they surprised? That question, I think, was still unanswered in this episode. But it was a big leap of faith that they trusted Sophie to vote with them on this plan. I think that there was just an assumed thought of everybody wants Savannah out, right?

So this is our chance. There's eight. And we have a group of five. This is our shot to take out Savannah. So it was a little bit of a risk that they trusted that Sophie was with them. Well, worst case, it's a four-four tie, right? And is that right? No, because the other group put a vote on Rizzo.

Well, yes, what happens to Sophie flips? But if Sophie has flipped, presumably she's also going to tell that group that, hey, they are playing, they're voting for Savannah tonight. Rizzo, play your idol on Savannah. The whole point of it was that it was a blindside on Savannah that she's not going to see coming. And Rizzo might play his idol for himself, but he won't think to play the idol for Savannah. So, oh, wait, sorry, which group are you saying was, what was the question? Which group are you? Because I was, I thought the question was about the Savannah and Rizzo group trusting so.

Was it about the Sage and I mean, Sophie has voted with with Rizzo and Savannah a couple of votes in a row. I thought it was a little bit of a risk that Sage and Jawan trusted Sophie on this vote. Yeah, but I mean, they voted together last time too, right? I mean, against Alex. Yeah, but we don't know if they were all on the same page or if they were like, oh, what are you doing here? Like, oh, we didn't know that. So it's unclear and maybe a good question if we get the chance to talk to Sage and Sophie and talk about like what their relationship. ship ends up being in terms of what they're doing.

And we saw that Sage trusted Sophie with the information about Christina's idol. So it does see it was a real, quite a game of telephone with this like very close hold information that suddenly became a lot less close hold very quickly. Yeah. I want to talk about Rizzo and what he did with his idol. And so this was really an interesting trouble because there was so much going on with the idols. And we also saw that Christina. felt like, okay, let's also

that I'm going to play my idol on Stephen, just in case Rizzo plays the idol on Savannah, and then she was also going to put one vote on Rizzo, so it would have been if the votes against Savannah were nullified, and then the votes against Stephen were also nullified,

then the one stray Rizzo vote would have voted out Rizzo. Interesting to, that that was how she wanted to use her idol in that way. Ultimately, it ends up just being a flush of the idol and Rizzo that we you see Jawan he's like hey Rizzo Rizzo Rizzo like as soon as Christina stands up Jawan is like hitting Rizzo on the knee of like

oh oh oh you better play your idol you better play your idol and then also and then he tells him like hey Rizzo that's you yeah play the idol and then Rizzo gets up and plays a fake immunity idol and so is that just cinema or was there any strategic purpose to that That's what I want to know from you. First off, did you feel like it was clear? Like, did the average viewer at home and did they, like, is when my talk to my mom, is she going to follow what's going on? Is this, did she get that that's the, that, that Rizzo made a fake idol and played a fake idol at tribal council?

Because they. What's your mom doing? Is she like really focused in on the episode or she doing other things? I mean, she's not playing Candy Crush. She's watching. She's watching. Yeah, I feel like your mom. I've met your mom.

I think she'll get it. Like, I mean, it feels like pretty straightforward. Or, you know, like, also, I trust your mom to get things that are. It was an interesting choice. I think your mom would get, like, a much deeper strategy. The producers treated the audience very smart tonight. I'm interested to know whether or not, like, you know, what the reaction is on Facebook in terms of, like, that you got that it was. I think people will get it.

But, like, the question is why, you know, and there was just not enough. I mean, we've talked about right when Rachel played her, you know, kind of went up and did the shot in the dark and then, like, sort of assessed whether she needed to do the idol. that good strategy what we're doing here playing a fake idol to see like to gauge people's responses honestly pretty good move like that's a pretty good play if um if that's in fact what was happening here yeah so do you think that that's what it was you think that he got up and played the fake idol to see if that to test the reactions of the room and then if the reactions were big enough he would have played the real idol do you think that that's what he did I kind of think that is a real possibility.

That is like, you know that I try to avoid imputing strategic motivation to character moments, but I don't really see, unless it's just like purely like, you know, he certainly said, this is my moment. You know, I'm on TV basically. You know, this is my moment like put on a show. Unless it's purely just for the cameras, which is not out of the question here, I do think probably what he's doing. My gut reaction.

to gauge the reaction. Yeah, sorry, don't mean to jump in too early. My gut reaction was that it was showmanship. And I wonder if it was also tied to the idea of, hey, don't you guys want to be on Survivor 50? Don't we need to see some big moves from you guys? Like, what do you got? Anybody got anything crazy that they can do to get on Survivor 50? I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

I think it was to gauge the reactions. And secondly, I think no matter what we speculate, he's going to say after, the fact, yes, it was to gauge the reactions because, you know, in interviews, I feel like, if anyone was like calling me on that, I'd be like, no, it was a strategic choice I was making. So I don't think we'll ever know for sure. But my gut is that it was to gauge reactions. Yeah. And obviously, like, let's say 50, 50, you know, and again, like this is so personal, you know,

just like with like the Christina's thing, I was like definitively not strategy, definitively human. And this time you were saying definitively, or not definitively, but likely, you know, theater. It's just like, you know, there's just really no way to know. It's pure speculation. All right, this is a strategy podcast. You want to know how to be the one person who wins Christmas, the one with the gift that gets the biggest reaction?

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just to dunk on Juan. I love the scene with Savannah and Christina when Savannah asked So, who were you voting for tonight? And Christine's like, what? She's like, yeah, who are you voting for tonight? And

Christina's like, can I get, can I get two seconds? Can I can I pass? Like, I love, Savannah is just like not our typical, you know, lovely millennial slash zoomer. like, you know, I love that she's a little aggressive.

You know, she's willing to needle. She likes the needle. I loved it so much. Now, I will say that I did not agree with it strategically, but maybe we can talk through the merits of that, of that that side has an idol. That side is working on a counter attack, and they did not come up with the right one.

But I felt like that it was a little bit of, like, I understand Savannah was like looking for, Okay, they pissed me off with this one. I'm going to like, this is how I handle things. But by going to her, I think that really you want to, you know, pretend that you know, you know Christina is lying to you. But I do think that the ideal situation you want is you don't want Christina to suspect that you might be on to her.

Yeah, I hear you because there's this like idle shenanigans, but I don't know. why you know obviously christina's lying to her face i guess you're right like you want to um but they have this whole other plan right so they don't it's almost better if christina thinks that savanna knows and that there's a likelihood that savanna will play her idol so you think that that might be because that pressurizes well hold that pressurizes christina playing her idol for stephen um And so I think that it actually is not terrible for Christina to, you know, sorry, for Savannah, to kind of put that pressure on them and make them think like, oh, does, do they know is Israel going to play the idol? Because that kind of like forces it almost back on the other group. It's interesting.

I could see it both ways also with that because I think that from Christina's perspective, Savannah thinks she has Joanne and Sage still going for for her. so that in from christina's position savanna is thinking i have the majority but i want to know who are you who are you voting for and i don't want to tell i mean is there any way that we can say that christina was playing actually did play this well because maybe she's not saying a which person she's going to vote for to try to get rizzo to play the idol for the wrong person well it's very funny because christina had a whole confessional like i'm going to go you know pretend like oh you know use me i'll vote for whomever um and and then she like she thought she was fooling savanna and then savanna just immediately cuts to the quick so in this plan of christina

fooling savannah i would say is unequivocally a disaster or a wash but i i don't know i mean i think it does kind of make sense for savanna to make it clear that she knows the votes are coming her way because she's operating on a totally other plan right like they have their plan now to just blindside juan so the more that savannah kind of locks the other group into this is it savannah or is it stephen dichotomy the more room they have to do this like totally other third thing yeah i i'll say again why i don't like it is because i think that if you're savanna and and you know what you think you know what christina is doing you think you know what joan is doing i i think that you don't want to do anything additional

that might change what they're doing to be a different plan than what you are already expecting them to be doing. We saw her also messing with Joanne and asking him point blank what he's doing where that they knew, they already knew Joanne wasn't with them, but I don't know if you want to necessarily tip off Joanne that you are on to him because then it gives him the opportunity to make another move that you might not foresee.

Well, did she really do that? I mean, I think it was like, she said point blank in the episode. She's like, I'm messing. I'm going to, I know Joanne's lying to me. I'm going to mess with him. Well, I think she was messing with him. But I think she was with Joanne. I think she was acting a little bit more naive, you know, like, really?

Like, who are you voting for? And then a tribal council when the votes come out with Savannah, she's like, did you do this? And Joanne's like, yeah. Yeah. Well, he did the first time, he's like, I don't know. I don't know who did it. But then up for then.

So that's such an interesting relationship. I really, I feel like that the Ouli tribe, was a very rich tribe in terms of like we spent a lot of time with them but I do think that it was warranted. I would say at the expense of the other tribe, well, I feel like the blue tribe was very well served. The yellow Hina tribe was the one that was just sort of like the mystery box in terms of like what the relationships ended up being. And we've seen that maybe they are not necessarily the major players in the story. Yeah. And you know, for a few episodes, in the middle of the game, it was, it has been a little frustrating, right?

Especially the last couple of those swap episodes and early merge episodes where we were like, well, why, you know, is MC doing this with, you know, but, but now I think it's sort of, we're past, we're past it. Yellow has clearly like become more secondary to the story, which is, you know, very much about this kind of like Rizzo, Savannah, Sof group. Yeah. Let's go back to Joanne and Sage. And this was the moment that they had been waiting for to take Savannah out of the game when she doesn't win immunity.

But what was it going to be their plan after this? Were they going to be able to, like, I definitely get that like maybe the bottoms up was still a thing. And they felt like that they had Stephen, even though there was some distrust between Joanne and Stephen at this point after Sage tells him about the idol. But it seems like that there might have been maybe some distrust between Joanne and Christina. So did Joanne and Sage have a good post-Savana plan ready to go? I mean, Sage and Stephen are still tight, right? Stephen trusted Sage with this idle information. So I feel like, you know, we're seeing obviously the little moments of conflict and suspicion.

And, you know, no, in modern survivor, no alliances forever. But I do think they probably had a good setup. It's also very funny. I mean, obviously this is blind. right and certainly something I've been accused of when Sage is like I have a plan and it was oh what's your master plan it vote Savannah you know it's her master plan every episode Sage what's your plan this episode let's all vote out Savannah again it's always Sage's master plan but um I didn't think it was a crazy plan because you know sage's plan if if Sophie S flips

Sof, Rizzo, and Savannah, like, what happens in that world, right? Where Sophie S stays with Christina and Stephen, then they have, um, well, I would say that I believe Savannah would have gone home in this episode. Like I, I do believe, had it, had it not been for Sophie coming to them with the plan, like I do feel like that Rizzo, Savannah, and Sof would have been blindsided at this tribal council. But they still have four votes, right? Sof, Rizzo, Savannah, and Savannah's extra vote is four votes.

Were they going to play the, and it would have been five on the other side. Well, right. Well, except for the hinky, the Rizzo vote. I guess on the revote, what happens there? I guess, I guess Rizzo goes home. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think that Savannah would have necessarily played her extra vote had she not known about

that there was some subterfuge going on. Yeah. It is, it's interesting. So it really did come down to. Sophie. So again, like it's the people, you know, is Sophie the one who's responsible for this? Or is it the people who brought over Sophie? Yeah. I mean that I think that this vote in particular, I think that this was all yellow Sophie's doing, even though it didn't ultimately end up with the target going home that she most would have wanted to get out of the game.

Can we go to have a blue self? Let's talk about her in all this. Because she was in this interesting position where we know that she has the one secret advantage in this game, she has the knowledge is power. And this was a night in which many advantages were going to be potentially played. And so even Christina's idol now became known to Sof and she had an opportunity. She could have sniped the idol from Christina. She wasn't 100% sure that the idol was in Christina's possession. do you think that she made a mistake to not take a known idol of her enemy when she knew

where it was or do you think she's actually in a advantageous position of like whoever finds the idol next she could take it from them later in the game yeah i mean obviously that's the question and and i honestly am not sure where i come down so she wasn't sure that christina has an idol right She's hearing this, like, fifth hand from Sophie S, who heard from Sage, who heard from Stephen, you know, who saw, obviously, Christina get it. And Sophie S isn't even sure it's real. So for Sof, she has this kind of ace in the hole where, like, do I want to like squander it theatrically in front of the jury? Of course, when you have something like that, you want to use it theatrically in front of the jury. But if it's a vote where it doesn't even really matter.

I mean, I think that's the kind of thing you want to delay as long as you can because of, the theater of it all. So I think, I mean, it's a challenge. Like if the opportunity never arises again, we're going to say, wow, she really screwed it up. She had a shot. She didn't have perfect knowledge, but she had an inkling. Like what a great opportunity that was.

But if there's a great opportunity later, when, when really her life in the game is on the line, I think that, you know, they're all like, you know, there will probably be, well, they're an idol going back in the game. And I kind of think it makes sense to hold this sort of thing until you really need it. Yeah. Like strategically. In terms of jury management, I do think you want to like make sure you get your moment. But in terms of game strategy, you know, you got to get to the end to win at the end.

Yeah, I think she's in such an interesting spot. In terms of us at home, like I think that I said last week, I think she had been doing the best job of any of the players in the season. And she has this, you know, secret advantage that nobody else knows about. And I also could see a world where she gets to the final three and people don't give her credit because they don't see like what she has done. And so I think she really is now getting into a position where she kind of needs a big, big move to be able to like a Marianne type move where she got Omer out of the game. And I wonder if, you know, that big move could potentially come by taking Rizzo's idol and being the person to stab Rizzo in the back. Like I could see that as like her big move that she gets down to later on in the game and doing that as like a big show to. the jury of like, oh, you all thought I was this nice, like, we heard Christina talk about her,

oh, well, she's just like an extra vote on things. She's not really in it, but we know she's really in it. Yeah. I mean, I think your, your prediction is exactly my prediction that she's going to get to the end and people aren't going to give her credit. I mean, you know, we saw so much of her premurge. And the problem with the premerge is that nobody really remembers it by the time you get to the end, partially because the people aren't there and also because a lot of game has happened since then. And she really has taken this backseat. I wonder if in her, her head, she'll think, well, I've got this huge story and I've had to, you know, survive almost every single tribal council in this game. And like now I'm in this scrappy underdog alliance.

We're crawling our way up. But I do kind of, you know, I do kind of predict that she is overlooked at the end in favor of Savannah and Rizzo, who are now the sort of bigger targets, the bigger players. And just from an editing perspective, we often see like a second or third place player who's like becomes, is a huge character in the premurge. And then, is just like a final travel counsel loser. And I, that's my vision for Sof now, much as much, for a while, she was my number two winner pick. But now I think she's kind of falling, falling, falling lower on the, on the rankings. I'd like to talk about the reward challenge from tonight.

And I want to talk about the moment with Christina on the mat where she ends up having this, you know, very emotional moment on the mat. And I really, I do want to be sensitive talking about, like, what Christina was experiencing. But it seemed like something that was so outside of the game of Survivor. And I'd love to talk about this with you in the context of, I have a surprise for you, Stephen, that I have been, I picked up the other night escape by Stephen Fishback. And I have been, I have not been able to put it down. Wow. I have been...

Rob, I actually, like, I never imagine that you actually read it. Thank you. I have been thoroughly enjoying Stephen's book. Of course, is available as to Dishbeck.com. And what I love about Stephen's book is that I think that he captures the headspace of the reality TV contested in a way that is so real and so authentic in a way that I've never seen it captured before in any other medium. And in Stephen's book, without giving things away, that the characters who are experiencing reality TV are also very aware of the making of the reality TV as it's happening and how it is being perceived by the producers and the audience.

And I, myself, I don't think I would ever be able to have such a moment on reality TV like we saw from Christina, that it seemed like such an out-of-the-game experience that she was having on the and then talking about these things with Jeff. And I did think that it was really interesting to be watching this transpire from the perspective of her and the production and the other players. Like, what do we, what's happening? well first of all i'm like extremely moved by those beautiful words like i honestly was like not tearing up yet but like getting like i could feel the the tear pressure so thank you so much now i

haven't finished it it could fall off the cliff okay um but listen if i ever had a good half i feel good about that you know like half a book uh that's you know half a book it's a good it's like a half a wait that's what jeremy said um yeah the um the but yes i that's a really great observation that it's like this pure emotion that's outside of the game. And like, yeah, I think like you, I don't think I would ever be able to get there just from that like pureness of all of that, like allowing myself to feel that way or to just like release all that emotion. Yeah.

It really was kind of beautiful in that way. I could see myself certainly like experiencing that. And even in like a confessional, I could see myself like, okay, this is really reminding me of of this, but where, you know, you have, like, the, the mat chat and it's like, okay, here we go. And then, you know, Jeff goes to her and she just has like this, like, uh, emotional expression. Um, and I thought Jeff handled it like really, really well in terms of, you know, asking the right questions. And it, it just felt like was, was really just interesting, like out of the game moment.

I was really impressed with Jeff, too. I mean, just the way I was thinking, like, while I was watching it, like, what would I say here? Like, you're Jeff. You need to respond in some way. This woman is experiencing extreme deep, deep grief. And just that simple question of, you know, tell me about your mom. I thought that was so, it was such a beautiful thing.

It seemed like it helped her, you know? It did. Yeah, because you're like this, like brings her back where she's talking about it. So not like as deeply immersed in it, but still connect. with, you know, her mom. And then what would your mom say to you here? I was just like really like a beautiful. And I'm sure Jeff was cycling a billion things in his head.

Like, what should I say here? But it was the perfect thing to say. I am interested to see the response to this part of the episode over the next couple of days and see how people. Because I feel like I'm still processing it. I think my initial reaction was like, what's going on? But it is interesting, you know, talking about it. Yeah.

And I'm sure it's like deeply, deeply meaningful for a lot of people who watched it also, who, you know, everybody handles grief in their own different ways. And I know from her bio that this is a big part of her story also. Yeah. And just, again, like to your point, I think that's what you really said it perfectly, just this idea that she is fully in this experience and fully in this moment. And it's how unusual that is. And honestly, like one of the gifts of being able to watch. reality TV is getting to see people who are like, you know, really in the moment. Of course, one of the challenges of new era survivor is like everyone is so overly processed.

You know, you're seeing the fourth or fifth or sixth tier, like thought that they had as filtered through the seasons they've watched, you know, and the character they want to portray and everything. So to get like these unvarnished real human emotional moments, I mean, of course, you can't help but think of Liz, very different context, but just that sort of like raw human, you know, emotion is really powerful. Steven, so now that we are down to seven coming into this next episode, how do you think it's going to break down? I really think, you know, it's funny.

For a brief moment in time, it looked like an underdog story. But once again, Savannah and Rizzo are the top dogs. But I do think that we're going to see, I mean, how does, what does Sage do from here? You know, how do they not vote out Sage next? Like, in one universe or Stephen or Stephen? Or see any way that this could now flip back around where Christina, Stephen, and Sage that do you think that there is a world where they could pull Yellow Sophie back? Is there a world where Rizzo and Savannah could double back on Yellow Sophie, like where is Savannah potentially saying like, actually, yeah, thanks for the info, yellow Sophie, but you're actually my biggest competition to win these challenges. So she should go home.

She's actually the biggest threat now. Well, and that's typically, that's the Sester Nino move, right? It's like you have this person in the middle and then you just vote them out. And that's really been the genius. I mean, that's what happened to Jawan and Sage. Well, right. Yeah, that's what I'm like literally the genius of Savannah and Rizzo is they keep on picking off these people who are like in the middle, but actually are a threat to them. So, I mean, first they get rid of Alex, then they get rid of, you know, a Jwan's night.

So it really is, I mean, I guess MC, you know, even previously. So basically everybody since Nate has been in this, you know, kind of like in this sort of like middle position. They're like, let's just get rid of that person. You know, don't you think that's a smart way to handle jury management in terms of like is the person who was in the middle going to ultimately be angry with you as opposed to like where, hey, I didn't turn on my allies. Like I turned on the people who were, you know, flipping and going back and forth. Totally. And I think anyone who's voting against you, like they can't be mad at you. That's always like, that's also why you don't want to be in the middle is because everyone's going to be bad at you because everyone thinks you're working with them.

Whereas, you know, voting out the people who are sort of like going back and forth, like they feel like, you know, Alex's last episode was like, yep, you got me. I was doing it. You know, Juan, this episode is like, oh, I thought I had you, but you got me. Of course, like, that's great sportsmanship on their on their paths, but also I think is sort of the nature of that position where, yeah, you can't be mad. Like, you thought you were playing the best game and then you got guy. Like, you can't be mad. What about, I liked what you said about Sophie. uh be in terms of i like what you said about ballerty um where in terms of her uh taking the

her knowledge as power and using it against rizzo is that something that really could happen like that would be such a power move i think it certainly could happen because that she is she just going to let knowledge as power go by the wayside i mean there is only one advantage in the game now that she happens to know about i mean to the to the person with the hammer everything looks like a nail. There's only one advantage for her to steal. If it comes down to, like, Rizzo having an idol or her having an idol, like, I think if it's the last night to use the idol, what better move to make than to take his advantage, take his idol, and then use it against him? Yeah. I mean, that would be a really incredible move. And, and honestly, like, that would be a really,

yeah, cool, cool. Can you imagine Rizzo, like, doesn't play the idol, doesn't play the idol, doesn't play the idol all this time, and then ultimately ends up it being the very thing that it gets used against him by knowledge, his power, where it's like, aha, look at me, I'm so smart. I didn't play my idol all the time. It's like, well, actually, I'm going to take it from you

and use it against you, and now you're gone. That would be a great storyline, and now I desperately want that to happen. That's how I want this season to end. Because it's like, wow, can you believe it? He didn't have to play his idols. Like, well, he should have played it one of these times because now he doesn't have it anymore.

please so give us that like if you're watching and you can time travel please give us that I could see it yeah yeah but she's also big on loyalty yeah yeah let's just circle back to Jawan

and Jawan you started talking about what a great character he was I really thought he was end game material I said a couple of weeks ago on the patron Q&A I said we got Jowan talking about this is act one of the horror movie we got joan now saying all right now we're

an act too of the movie like it's a lock chekhov's act three is coming joan opening confessional of the finale yo it's act three of the horror movie now this is where we're about to kill the monster you know is this boston rottston joan coming in i i don't have a joan version yeah but i really thought and i so that's what i was just so surprised that it was Joanne who went out. And then what a great reaction he ended up having. He took Rizzo's

torch. He was like, what do I do? Is this production switch it or did that was Rizzo have Jawan's torch the whole time? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I'm all surprised when they're like so one to one about the torches. We were always like, here's a torch, like, sure, you got the torch. Such a fun character. Gave us so much. I love, you know,

the whole thing at Tribal Council where he was like, I don't know how to act here. And I don't know if I'm like I mean, just like there was so many great character moments, such a driving force of the strategy. He seemed to be having a lot of fun out there, too. I really loved him as a character. Yeah. I hope he's seeming him. Great character.

He had such an interesting arc in the season where he came in and then had a lot of self-doubt. He really, in the first episode, he has the moment where he's trying to make the fire and he can't do it. And he sort of like steps away. And he's like, I'm blowing this. And he's on the outs and he's on the bottom. And then we see like, okay. he stays on the bottom he's pissing off savanna he's putting sticks in her bag he's doing making all

these missteps early on in the game but then he went on the journey he came back he brought something back to the tribe he sort of like ingratiated himself to the point where then he had that tribe swap where then he finally had the chance to flip things around that he goes with sage and votes out Shannon and then at the merge he finally is able to he votes out Nate and then he's in the power position in Rizzo and Savannah are at the bottom and we see like he gets into a little bit of like his mustache twirley era where he talks about he's like jaws now and he can hear the music and he's feeling like hey I got this game it's mine and then only to then have it ripped out from under him so he really had like this you know

a full arc where he just like had nothing and he was at the bottom and then he thought he was at the top and then he wasn't yeah i mean he probably does have like i mean to your point like he's got a react structure just like the joan arc of it all yeah so joan was really really fun he was great confessionals he was great at you know he sort of just like completely was like lost track he didn't forget to call him uncle jeff uh but he everything else he was like wait what am i doing what is happening yeah well what i loved about joan was that he would give great confessionals but he didn't seem like to me at least again it's really he didn't seem like overly produced you he didn't seem like so in his head about here's how I'm going to look and like all that.

You know, he was like, you know, even his like last thing by the charge, like, I'm really short. You know, just like such like a funny human thing to say. I just got a lot of like joy out of him. Yeah, he was a good sport. He hugged everybody on the way out. And I really, I think that sometimes that players do that and they don't really mean it where that they're actually like really pissed off, but they're a very phony. And I don't think that Jawan is a phony at all.

Yeah. I will say when you're. getting voted out, you're still, you feel a lot of warmth. Because it's like, oh, you're still the star in that moment. You're like, oh, everyone's hugging me and all the cameras and I'm going to get my torch snuff moment. And I'm going to get my interview as soon as I walked down the path. And it's the next day. That's when the bitterness is that the day after you're voted out. Yeah. Okay. All right. Stephen, we touched on some escape, but let's, what's, what's this? Is this, this is the Nirvana baby now as an adult. So big news to this week is that Dalton

Ross will be jumping in to my Washington, D.C. politics and pros event. He's going to be in conversation. He'll be moderating that event on January 27th. There will be Dalton Ross along with Stephen Fishback at Politics and Pros on Connecticut Avenue in Washington, D.C. And I guess he'll be trying to make me cry, just like he always does. So really excited for that event. New York on January 30th is almost sold out again, even though we've moved to a bigger venue. So that is really exciting. And Austin also on January 29th, also almost sold out with Rick Devons. Also have upcoming events. I'm going to be in Connecticut at RJ Julia. It's not officially announced yet. And then I will be, I try to bookstore with Sophie Clark

on February 3rd. And then maybe Providence shortly thereafter. So a lot of upcoming event. Tour poster, like a T-shirt. I've got like half a tour poster, but I'm going to get a brand. I'll see it. Brandon, can you design a T-shirt for Stephen with all his book tour dates? Yeah. But listen, Rob, I mean, what you said is so meaningful to me because, like, literally that is what I wanted to capture. Is this experience that reality TV contestants have? And it means so much to me when, like, reality contestant to have lived it. I'd like people beyond just the 300 Survivor players to enjoy it. And I, and I had, I wanted to text Stephen all week that I started by saying, let me tell them on the podcast. But when, when I'm done with it, maybe like, give me like a week, 10 days.

And like, I'd love to do a podcast where we could, like, uh, you know, talk more about it because we'd love to get some of your inspiration for some of this. Okay. All right. Then, did you have anything else for on, for escape? That's it. You ready to the fishy? Oh my gosh. I don't know who to give it to.

Okay, well, okay, well, I'll give you a minute to think about it while we listen to the fishy intro. yeah that was not a minute we need the full fish intro now all right let's talk about the different people and you will tell me what you think okay so like sophie s was the big character of the or episode in terms of like this being really her decision she could have gone either way she chose to go with this riso savannah sof alliance i think there's a lot of strategic merit there because first she's

in a four which back in the day was not a great spot but post firemaking is actually a really good spot. She thinks that Stephen is her biggest competition for immunities, although quite clearly Savannah is bigger competition for immunity. So that's like a questionable choice. But I do think, you know, you want to be with the people who want to play with you. So I think this was

a, I think this was a good news for Sophie. Yes. What do you think? Yeah. I ultimately come down and think that it was. I did have the thought earlier on. I just wanted to like check my math and make sure I'm being consistent because before we're doing the podcast, I was like, hold

on a second. Last season at the final eight, Mitch decided to not vote with the people on the bottom and go and vote with the people that were in the majority that had all the power and Mitch did not know a moment's piece

for many, many months. And I just wanted to say, like, hold on, why are we giving Sophie accolades and how is this different than what Mitch did? And so I went back and I really, I thought about it for a minute, So Mitch, he voted with a group of four already.

Now, while they had four votes tonight, Savannah, that Sophie is still on the bottom of a four, Mitch chose to vote with the bottom of a five. There was Joe, Eva, Kyle, and Joe, Eva, Kyle, and Shaheen were there. And he chose to vote with them rather than vote with Camilla and Mary and Star. And he's like, why would I vote with Star? I'm going to vote with a, I'm going to stick with the five. And so I think that that probably would have been, okay, to talk it through, I think that that would have been the move that I wanted, I wanted Mitch to make the move

of go with the people that were, you know, not in the bigger group. And so I think that's what Sophie did. And yes, they happened to have the cheat code of having an extra vote to get through. So it wouldn't have been 4-4, that they had Savannah's extra vote, which I don't think that she knew about in the real time. Someone said... She eventually, I think, knew about it. But I don't think she knew about it up front.

She doesn't get out the person that she wants to go home. But I do think that she is the impetus for this vote to happen. And I do think that she has a lot of outs. She's in the top four. She could potentially... We don't know what her firemaking looks like. And so that she might have that as an ace in the hole. So I've actually been really, really impressed with Yellow Sophie.

She wins the award for most improved since the merge. And she's really like where she was so invisible in the pre-merge that she has really like turned into a big character. She gets the Lindsay Delashowitz Award of having nothing in the premurge and then a very big post-merge. Well, that's sort of where I kind of see her in terms of like where she ends up is that's sort of like five, six. Yeah, yeah, exactly, like a six, seven. You know, the Alison Raibould, you know, Lindsay Doloshowitz. So, I mean, she's definitely competitive. I mean, the difference between, you know, Mitch's situation there was that that was such a locked four, whereas to your point earlier, you do have these pairs.

Pretty locked three. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But here you've got Christina and Stephen. You've got Joanne and Sage. Like, is there tension between them versus Sophie Rizzo and Savannah, who are locked three? You know, so she is going to the bottom of a lock three. the um let's talk about savanna who i actually liked the way she played it in terms of kind of having a little fun needling her adversaries i liked it as a tv viewer yeah but also i think

it's not crazy for her to like want to i mean you don't necessarily want to get the votes piled on you but um you know i don't think it's crazy from a strategy perspective that savanna kind of like pushed this like is it savanna or is it stephen narrative when she had this other third plan. I think that's, like, very devious. Let's talk Rizzo. Rizzo, I should give you a chance to respond to Svana, but let's do Rizzo and Savannah and Svana together. Rizzo, you know, was the one really responsible for recruiting Yellow Sophie, who was decisive this round.

And once again, holds onto his idol. Tell me about Savannah and Rizzo. Do either of them, are there, fishy? Yeah, I don't really think that Savannah is in the conversation for the fishy tonight. I don't know if she had, she had some fun moments in the episode, but I don't think that they, she was like a big contributor to the larger strategic outcome. I think that Rizzo is interesting in that he did do the thing that we've never seen before

where he played the fake idol at the tribal council knowing that it was a fake idol. And it was a real like, wait, wait, I think we were all Jawan in that moment. I'm like, wait, hold on. What do you mean it's a fake idol? He has the idol. And you said, you want, like, give him the real idol. What are you doing? He's like, nope, I don't think so.

And so that was a delicious moment that we got from Rizzo. Did he ultimately decide the strategic outcome? I mean, in terms of, I don't think that he, you know, gave us, he gave us a great moment, but I don't know if it was necessarily he was the driving force. I think it's I think it's Sophie I think Fishy for Sophie S who allegedly was getting purpled

no longer Yellow Sophie so the yeah Fishy Fishy for Sia yes ding I do find it very fun to see how much

Rizzo really is enjoying himself he was not enjoying himself after the reward challenge and listen I knew a bunch of guys Nice to see like human I knew a bunch of guys that stunk it walking on the balance beam. It's fine, Rizzo. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, balance beams are not that easy. It's challenging. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Okay? All right. We talked about just about everybody. Anything that you must say about Stephen?

I did think it was funny vis-to-vis Stephen and Joanne where Juan was mad at Stephen not sharing his idol info. Literally the previous night, Jowan had blindsided Stephen. And he's like, how could Stephen not tell me this secret immediately after Joanne has blindsided him. And there were parallels. There were parallels. I'm sorry.

I feel like I keep stepping on you today. That I felt there were parallels between the Stephen Joanne conversation and then it was flipped around when Savannah like was with Joanne and basically was like doing the same thing like, you sure there's nothing going on? Are you sure? Yeah. Everything's good. I think the problem is that like we're both so hyped about.

Oh, sorry. Now I stepped on you. Sorry about that. I think that your connection is a little laggy today and I think that that's part of it. Oh, sorry. It's okay. Will it, will it be fixed? It is, yeah, I've had internet issues, hopefully getting them fixed.

Sorry about that. That's totally credible. The, yeah, so it's also an exciting episode. If you were both excited to talk about it. But, but say that again about Stephen. Yeah, I just thought that the earlier conversation that we saw with Joanne and Stephen was foreshadowing for the conversation that we saw later on with Savannah and Jowan, where it was like, one person knows the other person is lying, but it's,

Like, are you sure? Everything's good? Yeah, no. I don't know what you're talking about. Everything seems good on my end. Like, okay, just wanted to check. Just check me in. Okay. So let's just check in on where we are. So this is now, we're heading into December. I think that there's three more weeks of Survivor that we're looking at. I think it's going to be then the three Wednesdays in December. I think the third, the 10th. And I think that the finale is going to be on the 17th. So can you believe it? Only three more nights. nights. That's crazy. That is crazy. And then we're finally free. Do you think that this season, you know, the narrative around this season was slow pre-merge, but it gets hot after the merge. Is that, has it lived up to that? Yeah, I would say so. I think that was pretty

apt. And I thought that that was, you know, frankly, it was kind of like refreshing from Jeff that he came out and said that that was the case. And it was sort of like, hey, hang in there. it's going to get good. I wonder if that contributed at all to people like sort of like being very down in the first half of the season about it. Like, oh, even Jeff said it's not going to be good. Should he just said nothing? That's funny.

He probably thought that he was like keeping people's expectations in check, but everybody just like led to a sense of a pile on. Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's talk about what else is coming up here on RHAP. Of course, that we love to check in with our friends over at chat. BCC where we talk with all the survivors and they spill the tea and they talk about everything and check

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So check it out over on our patron feed. And then also so many other Survivor podcasts. We know Survivor.com for the B&B Global Survivor Why Blank Lost and the Purple Pants podcast. Also, Stephen, we had a really fun podcast yesterday that I did. We did a listener treemail episode where I opened up the mail bag and took a cavalcade of questions from people. And it was, I thought it was really, really fun. Definitely check that one out. I thought the interesting thing was people were more interested in having questions about

Survivor 51 than they were about Survivor 49. Yeah, I saw your thing about 51 being the most important season of the you know, maybe in right now. 51 is going to make or break the franchise. Yeah, I'm excited about 51. I'm optimistic.

Area 51, alien theme. Let's do it. Survivor Area 51. Yeah. That would be very funny. I like it. Real reinvention for the franchise. It's all like moon.

Bay, or like a lunar colony based. Mm-hmm. Stars on Mars. So, yeah. That was a very fun podcast. I actually, that without it being too much, can I, can I, can I, you have a second that I got a listener email after we recorded the show from Butch Lockley. Butch from Survivor the Amazon sent in a question.

Actually? Yeah. And he wanted to know what would have happened if Jenna Maraska didn't win the final four. challenge in Survivor the Amazon. Oh. And I told that. I think the answer was that Jenna gets voted out. I think Matt tries to win the final challenge, does, takes Butch to the finals, and Butch wins.

No. Oh, my gosh. Was it actually Butch who sent him the question? Yeah. He's texting me. And I said, look, if it helps you sleep tonight, that was so long ago, all the money would probably be gone by now. So don't even worry about it. What was the final four challenge close?

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we got them all, baby. All right. Such a literary audience we have. Stephen, anything else for you? Just happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Rob, I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your family. And I am always, always, always grateful for your presence in my life and what wonderful friend you are. All right. Thank you so much, Stephen, and same to you.

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