RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 49 Ep 8 Recap

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Today, Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach discusses Survivor 49 episode 8.

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Survivor know it all We know it all, and we're back together After one week apart, we are back to talk about episode number eight of Survivor 490. What a fun episode number eight of Survivor 49. What a fun episode I thought this was. I'm in my like a Dr. Strange Love era of like, hey, this is crazy, everything that's going on. It makes no sense, but I'm just here to enjoy the ride. Chaos happened and it was better than the other stuff.

Yeah. It really is on a build. We heard a lot about how this season was on a build. And I feel like, you know, two episodes were like, okay, this is an episode. And last episode was the merge. There was a lot going on. And now it's like, oh, we're craziness. I have no clue what's happening anymore.

And I really do try to give the flowers to where I feel like that a lot of the episodes, even like 90 minutes felt like, did we need 90 minutes for this? But I feel like that this was an episode that did not really have too much wasted the time, if any. I felt like that this was like a jam-packed 90 minutes of Survivor here tonight. And I can't wait to unpack it with you. Yeah. This is, I mean, honestly, I need some unpacking time here because I'm still quite confused

about what I. Okay, good. Yeah, everybody's targeting Rizzo and then suddenly nobody's targeting Rizzo. And it's not clear, like, there was like some inflection point and it's not even clear like really what that is. So we're going to talk through. Let's talk it through and we'll see if we can figure it all out. Of course, last week we were not together. I was in San Francisco.

I had a great time at the live show out there. Thanks to Owen for stepping in and filling in in my spot. San Francisco Sester Nino hobnobbing with the glitter. Roddy. How was it out there? It was wonderful. We had an amazing show. We broke the attendance record for RHAP for the live shows. Four figures. Four figures at over a thousand people there with us in person. It was a really, really great event. I had the best time, no travel snafus, which is always a big consideration. And so really, really fun, but excited to be back here with you. I listened to the podcast with you and Owen. I was surprised Stephen got the fishy, but we can talk about more. We don't

need to relitigate last week. Maybe when we get to. But also, you know, I gave you a lot of praise because you were right about a lot of things. And I was wrong. I appreciated that. But you really nailed the Joanne Sage thing, which has become quite a thing. Well, we'll talk more about Joanne and Sage and just how much Joanne was ready to jump ship. Because it seemed like that he was quite willing to reverse course and jump back tonight.

As we will break it all down. Of course, my exit interview coming up with MC, be on the lookout for that on Thursday. and then we got such a great week here on the podcast because a really fun episode to break down with your friend in mine, Dr. Christian Hubicki will be with us. This is a good episode for Dr. Christian Hubey again. And then we will have Kathy Vavrick O'Brien, my old castmate from my, I don't mean to say old. My castmate from one of my former reality shows that I've done was Survivor All-Stars, and she was on that with me. Wait, yeah, and the legend of the game. Like one of those players who was so iconic in those early seasons,

is she still watching the show? I believe she is. So we'll find out on the old school interview coming up later on this week. So we haven't also talked about your big news, which is your book. Well, first of all, the biggest news, which is how handsome you looked at the podcast. I saw all the pictures from the podcast. You're just like so cut and muscular and your style is. great, you look great.

And then also you have a book coming out. Yes. Yes. And so well, can I announce something here that we have not, of course, we've spent so much time talking about Stephen's book, which of course you could check out Escape at stephenfishback.com. It couldn't let me just have the book thing. Really, really

rude. Well, can I, can I share something that I think is an exclusive that we haven't shared yet? Is that the tribe and I have spoken has a beautiful forward. From the great literary mind of our time, Stephen Fishback. Oh, my gosh.

Yes, yes. I did, I did write that. I was, and it was very fun to write. Thank you for including me. Yeah. Can I record your audio book doing an impression of you? Sure. Yeah.

Like me do it like, I mean, is that the only version of it? Is that the only version of it where it's just? Yeah. People buying the audiobook. And it could even say, as narrated by Rob, I mean, it would actually, it would be like an Easter egg. I would love it if it was a bonus track. I mean, I would love to actually be able to record the audiobook.

But, okay, more on that to come. But let's get into everything here tonight because this was our episode, Hot Grim Reaper, which finally, finally, because just this past week, I saw Corinne Kaplan complaining, hey, the Grim Reaper is like only like a four or a five. When are we going to get a hot Grim Reaper on Survivor? Where is a hot Grim Reaper? And we finally now have the Hot Grim Reaper. That's a good line.

That was a good line. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So let's talk about all this because this was really, I thought this was very, very fun. And it was changing and the target kept moving around. And even though I really was, this was a case of where my expectations were low because I was so happy that they did not do Mergatory last week. They said, all right, here we go.

Final 11. Let's play Survivor. We got a final 10 vote coming up. We didn't do any sort of shenanigans. And then to then go into split tribes, it wasn't two tribal councils. It was just one. But I thought that this played out in such a fun way. Yeah. And I want to say I'm not totally opposed to the occasional split tribal tribe.

Yeah. Because you do, it gives, it creates the opportunity as it did here for there just not to be like a follow up pile on vote as they're very well might have been. Right. Like if they had just done 10, like probably in that world, Savannah goes home. I mean, I guess she might have won the immunity challenge. And you know, they've got split votes on Rizzo and somebody else. I would push back. I think that this could have been a very interesting final 10 vote even with Rizzo and Savannah squarely at the bottom because it would have been a vote split situation. which, and then there was all sorts of possibilities for, like another faction to come in, that's true, especially in a world where Savannah wins individual immunity where it's like, okay, Savannah's immune. Rizzle's got an idol. Let's go. What's happening? Anyway, but let's, one of my, one of my resolutions is to not talk about episodes of Survivor that didn't actually happen. Let's talk about the one that did happen. The hypothetical sets us up against, you know, it's like comparing the like the city of God to the city of man. It's like, how do we know where we are, you know, in our trajectory towards the heavens. Yeah. But especially on a week where we got, I think, the best episode of the season where this was a really, really exciting vote. And so ultimately, let me start with

MC where did MC doom herself with the decision to tell Joanne that Sophie was going to be throwing the one rogue vote his way? I think unequivocally, yes. So I went back and watched quickly the, just a little pre-tribal scramble there with that group. I believe the answer to that is that yes. Like MC basically created the circumstances which led to her own ouster. Sophie had a really good plan. Like it was a very good plan.

Sophie says, let's pile votes on Rizzo. if he plays his idol, you know, I'm willing to put my neck on the line. I'm going to, like, I'm the decoy vote, you know, and then either Rizzo plays his idol and we flush it or like we think he's not going to play his idol and he goes home. Then she privately comes up with this counter plan to put one vote on Jawan in case Rizzo does, you know, does decide to play his idol. then it's a split vote and she can get, you know, the old Kina together to vote for Juan.

Now, hypothetically, though, can I stop down on the Sophie plan? Okay. So the Sophie plan, I thought, was very interesting, probably would have worked. Do you like the fact that Sophie really puts herself, yellow Sophie puts herself into the line of fire in this plan by telling people, hey, let's make me, she does the very thing she got upset with Christina for only but two weeks ago, like, wait, hold on. Why are you making me the decoy target? She puts herself out there as the decoy target. I mean, I feel like this is akin to, hey, I'll go on the block as the pawn here. And then if it comes down to it on a

revote, you all just vote out Joanne. Do you think that she put herself into harm's way in the first place with this plan? Well, when she first said, hey, I'm willing to be the decoy vote, I thought, wow, that's gutsy. Like, that's, you know, but like it is, you know, the problem is whenever you propose someone to be the decoy vote in a situation like that, you're going to create that friction, as we saw with that Christina thing, where suddenly Sophie saying, I want to vote out Christina now. So for Sophie to say that and then to privately have the idea, oh, but what if I do this other thing? And that creates this escape hatch, escape.

The now available for just to be a fishback.com is then, you know, I think is a really smart idea. The question is, though, like, not just does, does, do things go awry when she involves MC? Because, you know, Sophie does, you know, choose to involve MC in that. But then also with Savannah coming over, you know, could that plan have really lasted through that. And I want to give grace to Sophie because that she does not know yet that Savannah is coming over at the time that she is proposing that. But I don't even want to say that this was a bad move to do what she did. I'm just like talking it through here with you of that is that like next level thinking of, okay, I'll make myself the decoy vote, even though she does put herself out into

harm's way where we hear from Rizzo in this episode like, hey, it doesn't matter if I come in fourth or when I come in 10th, you know, I'm playing hard to win the game. So I thought it's an interesting move that Sophie made. One that we would probably typically say, hey, don't yourself into harm's way, but it did seem like it was a plan that was going to work. And before Savannah's there, she has that escape hatch, right? So she's not this, you know, she's not a sitting duck. She's like only putting herself in harm's way, knowing or believing she has this out, where when she puts a vote on Joanne, if Rizzo does play as Idol, suddenly three vote, and she thinks she has the numbers. I thought it was a very smart play

because it looks very noble and gracious, but it's also very devious at the same time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's what's going on. and then here comes MC. And MC is going to go to Joanne and tell Joanne what's going on and how that Juan should throw another vote. Was that what MC proposed? I just want to make sure I have this right. I don't even think she specifically said, hey, here's a heads up.

And just so you know, I think it was more a heads up. You're going to vote out Sophie on the re-vote? Or I don't even feel like we got. And again, you know, I might be misremembering this because I only watched it. Yeah, I want to look at my notes. But I don't even think she proposed anything else.

I think it was more, hey, this is happening. Like, let's think about Sophie here as a real threat. You know, she is this. And again, I'm not sure where specifically the dialogue, you know, suddenly it felt like people were talking about Sophie as she's this immunity threat. Yeah. She's super strategic. And then Joanna's saying, wow, she's playing this game so hard.

And she's this, you know, huge immunity beast. Like now I'm really scared about having this person out there. It's crazy to give a telephone because then they tell Sage who then goes back and then tells Sophie who confronts Joanne. I mean, this is where like sometimes you're wondering like, why do these people not talk to each other? Yeah, well, let's take it one person by one. Okay, so it's I believe that MC what she was saying, it was that, hey, I want you to know that what Sophie is doing, we are going to vote out Sophie on the revote. there was an issue with MC playing her idol at the previous tribal council where joan was feeling like hey why would you do that we had a thing we had we had seven didn't you

trust us didn't you feel like that my word was good did you think i was going to flip back to them you didn't need to play the idol so is mc trying to get like a uh a make good on hey i i know i played the idol last time i didn't trust you here is now me showing you trust yeah i mean that seems to be the motivation let's talk about that though because i thought that whole reaction to emcee playing the idol was so overblown where both joan and um uh sage separately talk about how betrayed they were or shocked or they felt didn't show enough trust to them that mc played the idol to me it seems like a little bit a little bit much right what was your guys i mean at the watching at the time obviously we thought mc didn't need to play the idol but it makes sense you're

It's the merge vote. It's scary. You haven't voted with a lot of these people before. You do this defensive thing. What was the takeaway in San Francisco among the glitter on? So we didn't nearly talk about it in depth as you and Owen were talking about it. But I think that the same conclusion was had there as you and Owen were having where it wasn't that big of a deal to play the idol and play it incorrectly. Other than you feel like that maybe she could have gotten more out of that idol play in.

in terms of, like, playing it strategically on a specific target of making sure somebody else was safe. That being said, we have the advantage of knowing that SOF has knowledge as power. And so this information is out there. And so we know that MC has the ability that that idol could be taken from MC at any moment. So there's a little bit of sort of like, hey, it's counterfeit money at this point. Just get rid of it and get it out of your hands. And if you have the idol tonight, you might as well use it.

But where we saw Rizzo didn't play his idol last time, that idol in this split tribal council, and maybe we say that, okay, going into this situation of potentially split tribes, final 10, I wonder if like with hindsight, we say, hey, if you're at the final 11, you don't need to play your idol. They haven't done a split tribal council yet. There is a non-zero chance tomorrow. You may really need that advantage. Yeah, it's a really good point. Like, especially in this new structure, this sense that, like, you really have got to prepare.

And honestly, and that was one thing that Owen and I were saying about their failure to target. Rizzo was sort of the inverse of that was flush this idol now when you have the opportunity because next week, next, you know, the next step, next vote, Rizzo's going to be on high alert and you're going to have these two tribes and he's going to have so much more leverage with that, with that idol here. which is exactly what happens. And maybe I don't know if MC was thinking of like, okay, well, if I play my idol, then there's a good chance Rizzo will also play his idol and we're not voting for Rizzo. So there was at least the ability that potentially we're going to get the idol flushed by MC standing up and playing the idol.

But an idol for MC really changes a lot in this episode. Yeah, yeah. I mean, really, you're absolutely right. Because then suddenly there's so much, I mean, well, MC's not going home in that situation. Presumably. Yeah, right. Well, I mean, who knows. And there's a world where Sophie goes home. There's also a world where who knows. Yeah. But, you know, it's so interesting to me that MC chose to kind of spend her trust points, trying to rebuild the relationship with Joanne and therefore betraying Sophie, Sophie, with whom I think she's been on every tribe. No, they weren't on the second tribe swap. But she and Sophie were together on the first tribe swap. Right. MC has never been with Joanne. And so.

That's right. Yeah. So it was wild that MC and Juana have like no relationship whatsoever. They've only been on the beach together for a couple of days. And so now, Stephen, who I believe was number one with MC, did spend time with Joanne. And so they did get very close. They were part of the Bottom Feeder's alliance, which may or may not still exist. And so maybe Stephen put in a good word with MC about Joanne.

and so perhaps that they're sort of like they have a mutual in Stephen, and so that's why maybe there's like a little bit of a closeness there. Was it a mistake for MC to inform Joanne about this ahead of time? Could she have just saved Joanne on the tiebreak vote should it have come to that? Right. I mean, I honestly think it's fundamentally psychological rather than strategic because I do think, and we talked about this with like the 49 laws of Survivor, where, you know, if someone is, you're like mad at you, your instinct is to placate them, right, versus someone who's like your reliable friend here, like Sophie, who totally trusts MC and is sharing this information, it feels trivial.

Like, you don't value that because it's so infinitely available to you, but this other person who's mad at you, you kind of want to win them over. So I do think there's just this element of MC feeling like she has some kind of capital here and she can go kind of heal this rift, not necessarily considering, hey, this is potentially create another. And it's also possible that MC just doesn't like Sophie. Like we have no idea, right? Like there's a world where like MC and Sophie, they've played together, they've worked together. But like, maybe they just never gel. Yeah. And we've heard a few times

that Sophie, um, yellow Sophie does not have anybody in this game. So maybe there's, she's just not, you know, socially connecting with this. Correct me if I'm wrong that earlier in the season that there was a point where I believe it was Christina and certainly Matt and maybe Stephen tried to bring in MC as the fourth. And they said you know who's giving us a bad feeling? We don't like Sophie. And I believe it was MC that went to Sophie

and was like, hey, they don't like you. And Sophie was like, what? Oh, I don't remember. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, you're right. I do think that happened. I think that Jason was the person that wasn't involved in that. And so that there definitely was some type of relationship there early on. I don't know necessarily

how it got soured or if anything about where is MC tight with Christina and then there was some bad blood about how Christina threw Sophie, Yellow Sophie's name out there. I'm not sure where this relationship broke down.

This is really one of the functions of that this has been a season that has so richly developed the old Uli tribe members. In terms of the people that are still in the game, Savannah, Rizzo,

Jawan, Sage, these are probably like one, two, three, four in terms of how much screen time they've gotten, how well developed those characters are. And almost everybody else on Hina, and I'm forgetting about self, who is with them, but is not part of the original Uli tribe. But the Hina tribe members have been so underdeveloped in terms of their relationships. It's kind of we're just like shooting in the dark in terms of how they feel about one another. Right. Yeah. I mean, we really don't have a great sense beyond that kind of full group of four that we saw right at the start.

Stephen MC. Exactly. Exactly. They did the dance. And so after this, so Juan is suspicious of Sophie now. And Sage goes to Sophie and tries to kind of like get everybody on the same page. Like why, you know, and then suddenly they are, you know, which makes sense. I think, you know, sage, I think really. has it totally right here and consistently through his episode. And last week. Has her eyes on the prize. Sorry? Last week she wanted to say, she said, I don't know why we're not voting for Savannah. This week she said, I don't know. I don't know why we're not voting for Rizzo here.

And it's such a good question of how did Rizzo get away with this? Yeah. So it seems like there is this sort of like tension that develops in this group, which wants to vote together to vote at Rizzo and, you know, in the very least flesh the idol. And then what happens is Savannah comes over And that I think complicates everything Because not you know

Suddenly it's not just like one person Like you're they're imagining that Savannah is going to have this vote here And it just like it creates this inflection point too Where we also have this Ouli connection Where Joanne does I think want to Have a relationship with his old Oli tribe members Doesn't want to totally alienate them And suddenly there's

a little bit of more nuance to this. Yeah. And Jawan, I think, is looking to have his cake and eat it too. He's got the relationship with the Hina people. But I think as you correctly pointed out a couple of weeks ago when we were debating, where does Jawan's loyalties lie? Like, I think that a big part of him does want to go back to the people from his old original tribe.

So that was fun. Okay, we're going to make the biggest move of the season. We got Nate out. But, like, hey, Rizzo's still my guy. and, you know, Savannah may not love him, but he may feel okay about Savannah. And the fact that Rizzo has an idol, I think that that might be something that is making him feel pretty good like, hey, well, I want to sort of hedge my bets. These guys have advantages.

We've seen that Savannah can win challenges. So look, what if I could, you know, be in good with both sides? And isn't there something, too, about like, you go from being the bottom of your group, you leave you do some other stuff you know you come back and you're the cool kid all of a sudden right like juan suddenly his like popularity levels have increased dramatically so i'm sure that's fun too to go back and play with his old uly tribe members but now have a lot of leverage and have a lot of like you know strategic heat on him where he gets to be a decision maker whereas before it really did seem and he i think he was aware of this he was kind of like being told what to do he was at the bottom suddenly he gets to play with him on an equal footing like don't you don't we all kind of you know you those high school bullies like we all kind of like you're mad at them but you also like

wouldn't it be fun to be on the team yeah and I don't even know if Joanne looked at those people from his original tribe as bullies I mean certainly that's how Sage felt about

some of the people from her original tribe but I think that Joanne might have as you alluded to like hey look like I'm I'm the same as you guys or we're power brokers

yeah it's us so I mean suddenly Rizzo kind of like turns it on here where he sees that there is this potential to you know flip it around and bring in Sophie to vote with him so Rizzo then goes to Sophie because like Savannah says to Rizzo everyone there wants out Sophie and then so I think they together kind of have this epiphany why are we trying to vote out Sophie here when nobody wants to work with her like let's keep her around and yeah and we can turn and so he goes to

Sophie and says, like, what if we turn it on MC? And then there's this whole series of conversations. We see Rizzo and Sage, you know, Rizzo and Sophie, where suddenly Rizzo seems to be driving the strategic conversations. And I wasn't sure if people were going along with him or playing along with him. Was this like, did that have any ambiguity for you? Like, were they actually seriously considering these plans? or were they like pretending to consider them to pull the wool over his eyes?

I feel like that they were actually working with him. I'm not sure at what point everybody just decided, okay, well, all right, fine. We're not actually going to do the Rizzo plan. And I still would love to figure out with you whose fault that is because I still want my pound of flesh for that there's no way Rizzo should have gotten through this tribal council without having to play his idol. This was survivor malpractice by this group. And I'm sure it helps that Savannah shows up and it helps that, okay, okay, well, they have numbers and there wasn't enough to split.

But still that it was malpractice that he got through this tribal council without having to play his idol. I think that at that point where things are so unsettled, I want to make sure that we have the order of operations right where I'm not. I feel like that we, Sage tells Sophie that MC blew the plan and then we see Rizzo talking with Sophie and he had said, I'm not going to do their dirty work. They want Sophie gone. Why are we going to take out Sophie? Yes, exactly. So then Rizzo goes to Sophie.

And Sophie kind of says, you know, that's insane for Rizzo to take control of this phone. She says that. I think that she's like, she says, you know, he wants to play a fluid game, but his fluid game is with all of his old tribe members. but now he's also wants to work with me. So like she's very skeptical of him and it's fun to see the strategic side of her because we haven't seen a ton of that. Can I give some flowers to yellow Sophie who had been very quiet all through the season?

She had a little bit of a coming out party when she won the individual immunity and now they talk about her like that she is the second coming of all of the great immunity threats in Survivor history. It was somebody brought up like she's not the Terminator. Yeah, I think that was that Rizzo. said that. Yeah. Hey, I'll be back. Astila vista, MC. But I thought that she's very fun in the confessional also. She's a big personality, which I really like. Yeah. She's great. Honestly, I mean, this was, this should have been like her episode, except for this, like, absolute.

And I wonder, like, sometimes you think it's just a question of timing here, right? Like, they don't have a lot of time to get it together before tribal council. Everyone's running off in a billion different directions. Suddenly Savannah shows up. You're like, what the F is going on? Rizzo's taking you on a walk and you're like, I just want to be safe. I just do not want to go home. I'm going to write MC's name down.

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We haven't even talked about her. And really, the whole first half of the episode was Savannah is on the bottom. She looks like she's D-O-A, especially that Rizzo has the idol. Can she work to get back into something? Can she figure out a way to claw her way out of the bottom? And we saw Savannah go to work. We saw some of Savannah's social game, where I think that we've seen Savannah play this game so far

from a position of power. And we have seen her sort of, dictate her will in certain situations about I'm deciding which person is going to go home I'll decide is it Jason is it Joanne

and we've seen her in this position of power but now all of a sudden the script is flipped and now Savannah is playing from the bottom and I thought that where we have seen like this very aggressive side of Savannah where she's dive bombing to get the keys

away from MC I thought that she was truly a velvet glove, an iron fist inside of a velvet glove in this episode in the first half, where she really went to work with her social game. Yeah, and we really saw her kind of trying to not make amends, but, you know, build the social bonds, be deferential, be thoughtful. Sure. Can I say something, though? Oh, please.

Like, she was on the bottom for a morning, you know? Like, how long was she on the bottom for? Like, from the time she woke up at eight, you know, or seven, to like, time she went to bed from the night before. Yeah. Like, how many actual hours of like a wake of consciousness? No, but of consciousness. Like, of like, you know. Three or four.

Two hours. And then suddenly she's back on the top again. She's got the immunity necklace. Hey, she's got like, you know, this new secret power. That she shared a story with Stephen about, uh, this emotion. trauma that she experienced where she was in this workplace situation where she replaced somebody last minute and then a lot of the co-workers were saying like hey you took somebody's spot you don't belong here I hope Savannah never ends up in another situation

in her life where they're say like 24 people and then all of a sudden that they last minute switch it up bring in Savannah does she have a friend bring her in and then the people like wait why is she here what's going on why what's this about like I just I hope

I hope for Savannah State that nothing like that ever happens to her ever again replacing a beloved big hearted colleague you took somebody's spot what is this yeah that would be so messed up do not

Do not put her in that situation again, universe. I liked that this was like a real, like it was like a real sob story that didn't feel like, it was an interesting take on, like, again, because it was like, this is this like workplace, awful traumatic situation.

Yeah, I don't mean to trivial. No, no, no, no, no. It was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think you were at all. Yeah, that it's not like that she was dealing with some very, uh, real ramifications from stress and so,

uh, hope that she's doing okay. But, Stephen, we get to the challenge. And this is like the iconic, of course, great coach, dragon slayer of the, what would be? Yeah, what is the name of the episode? Oh, the martyr approach. Yes, the great, the great moment. And of course, this was, I thought, one of the better versions of this that we've seen in recent history on Survivor,

the battle between Sophie and Savannah, who really, I think that I said it was her coming, out party, but she looked so calm, so comfortable. It was maybe a little bit at the end she was starting to crack, but I thought this was a great moment for her. Rob, if you are up, I've done this challenge. Yes. And I was, you know, reciting like poetry that I'd remember to keep myself my mind away from my pain. We saw Sophie here or Soph here reciting, you know, Hail Mary's. What is Rob Sestrinita? You're up there. You're suffering. You're trying to keep your mind away from your pain. What are you reciting in your head? Sue Hawks, Snakes and Rat speech. it's pretty good

I mean they put that in the episode yeah they probably would yeah so big and so Savannah kind of what did you think of this format change where a bunch of a bunch of shifts right first of all just a whole group

is winning immunity here second of all they're all winning reward and immunity together and third of all like the most the person who wins it for their group also gets the special power where they're going to get to go over. I feel like that this is not that much of a change in terms of what

they've done. A little, a slightly different. I'm thinking back to Survivor 47 where we had the two groups and this is again like a one person tribal council whereas I believe last season we had that it was a double vote where I think that was it Cedric and Say both got voted out in the

same episode where it came down to it where somehow Kyle finished third in the challenge where he was like holding the thing and ended up winning individual immunity even though I believe teeny and Genevieve both outlasted him in the challenge but they want they lasted longer they won individual immunity for their group I think it was the first time that one person in the group in the smaller group doesn't win immunity so that that was savanna was the immunity winner but she was not actually going to the tribal council or she went to the tribal council, but it was kind of a, we knew that she was not able to be voted for,

but, uh, I get, or I, everybody, she had the necklace. Everybody knew she wasn't being voted for. But it's the first time that they've done this where one, there, there isn't like one person from the group going to tribal council that's immune. Yeah, right, exactly, which was, I thought was really interesting. I did think it was interesting. And so I, I, I, I, again, this was, this worked for me tonight. I generally am not a, a fan of this. I liked also that. Savannah got to go to the tribal council and either vote or keep the vote. I thought that that was more fair than where we've seen different iterations where I believe Heidi got to block somebody's vote at the tribal council because she got the advantage.

We know famously Saul got to send Rachel to get the safety without power. So she was able to leave a tribal council. So I felt like that this was a like a decently powered advantage for the. the winner of the challenge. Yeah. I thought so too. I thought that was appropriate, you know, getting to vote, but not being, I mean, like, basically that's what you would get normally when you're going to challenge is get to vote

but not be at risk yourself of getting voted for. Yeah. Okay. But now here comes Savannah where she ends up going to the beach now that we set up where she's coming from. And now all of a sudden, flip the script, where she went from, she's at the bottom to now. She can't go home. And it really is like the cavalry has come for.

Rizzo who was sort of on the back foot and now it's like, oh, wait, now there's two of them. Oh, no. What do we do? And we can't vote for her and he has the idol. And I think that everybody just crumbled. I think that's what it was a lot too. I think that they kind of had this plan. There were kinks in the plan, right?

Because they're like, well, well, she's saying this and I'm saying that and who's voting for who. But I kind of, I'd like to have faith that they could have put this together and worked it out had Savannah not come to the beach and then suddenly there's two of them we think there's another vote here you know Sophie probably does not want to be the decoy boot anymore when there's a chance that Rizzo places idle

and her you know extra in her like vote for Jawan plan is meaningless because Savannah is also voting for her so I do think that this kind of vibe shift was probably decisive in changing the ultimate outcome yeah and so I feel like I and I thought Jawan should have gotten the fishy last week. So let me start off by saying that I thought that Joanne should have been the

rightful winner with all due respect to Stephen and Stephen with a B. I think that Joanne should have gotten the fishy last week. However, I think that Joanne maybe made the wrong call. I think that he is the person who is responsible for this vote not ending up on Rizzo. Interesting. Because I mean, I would imagine that it's sort of all of them. Like, MC got the ball rolling, but I think that had Joanne stuck with the Hina side, I think Sage would have done it. I think that...

Sage definitely would have done it. Jawan was on board. And I think that you could even know that there was a little back and forth with Sophie and MC, like at the end of the day, like I think that they still are going to write down Rizzo's name if push comes to shove. I'll believe you because you were so right previously about...

Only because that they... At tribal council, Sophie's like, well, I know it tonight. It's between me and me and MC. So, I mean, that they are sort of like forced into like either mutually assured destruction or, hey, could look at us. Could we maybe just still go with the Rizzo plan? You know, at the time that that Sophie said that, I wondered if it was a smokescreen because she says that right when like Rizzo is talking about his idol, you know, and they're like, oh, Rizzo, you know, could they be fooling you about your. idol and he didn't get one vote well right but but and then it's right then that sophie says tonight it's between me or mc like she pulls the attention back to her rather than keep the attention on

on rizzo's idol so when she said that i thought like either that's actually what's happening or they are trying to create this illusion that it's this this dynamic when actually um it really is going to be this pilot on rizzo what happened at that okay let's i thought it was wild that sophie said it's either me or MC tonight. Yeah, I mean, some people are really forthright. Again, like if she, but in my mind, there's still a world where that was all a plot to keep Rizzo kind of in the dark and, you know, and then suddenly everything goes wrong at tribal. So we're like, it's interesting because we did not get to see what actually was said. I'm sure that we will find that out from MC tomorrow when she does all of her exit press.

But we had our first live tribal council here. At first live tribal council, I feel like in a while. I can't even think of what the last one was. Yeah. And I've got to say, we've complained about this before, them not subtitling The Whisper's, but it is so cruel to podcasters and people who have to write about this show to not, they should at least tell us, you know, so we can be informed about when things are, you know, how these shifts are happening.

My note to the editors might be that I feel like in Australian Survivor, sometimes like after the credits are over that they come back and then it's like while people are doing their final words like we end up getting like a little bit of like flashbacks of like seeing some things that might have been said or happen so i would like to maybe have seen some of that there my gut feeling is that nothing changed during the live tribal council i think that mc pulled decide joan and maybe correctly was deducing hey this is really all on joan tonight uh but i think the mc was probably saying like hey juan i'm telling you sophy was ready to vote you out so like stick with me i got you and then we saw after mc talked to joan then at the live tribal council

joan went to go talk to sage and savannah and was probably like hey what do you all want to do what do you want to do and they're probably like no still still vote out at mc and nobody was talking to Sophie and then finally Joanne went to go talk to Sophie and probably said to her like, no, no, no, I'm still voting. I'm sticking with the plan. We're going to vote on MC tonight. I think that's probably what happened too.

In my mind, like I'd like to believe that like it was all going to be on Rizzo and then MC gets up and then everyone's like in like self-defense mode. I don't think that's, yeah, I do I agree with you. I think that everybody got off the Rizzo plan very early. And I just think that if you needed. I mean, I guess for Jawan, does it make sense to go back to the Rizzo plan, considering that if Rizzo does play his idol, that is somebody going to write his name down? Yeah.

And does that burn him so much where he's like, hey, I can't trust the Hina people, even though MC says she's with me, my, you know, I have to go back to go home. Right. But I think that's like, that's okay, right? If you're in that, if you're as long as you're not the one voted out of that Hina group, like to get rid of Rizzo's idol, it probably is worth it. And this is why I didn't give the fishy to Jawan last week was because he correctly said, we should vote out Rizzo and he did not get his way. And so I thought that that was a really big miss last week to like, you know, he had the correct idea. But like to have the right idea and not be able to execute on it is not, it's not fishy worthy, Bob.

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Okay, Savannah still in the game. We're at the final nine. Has Jawan come home? How does the Hina tribe? react to all of this. I think this is a very intriguing final nine we're headed into where is Sage going?

Yeah. And then also so Christina has an idol. Who knows about Christina's idol? Who was right there? It was Alex and it was also I think it was another one of the guys, right? It was at Stephen?

Yes. Yeah. Okay. So that's actually a pretty safe group for that little trio to know about it because like obviously there's this danger that Alex Alex tells Sophie B, and then she knowledge, his powers it away from Christina. Yeah. So, okay, going, just looking at the numbers at this final nine, where you have Rizzo, Savannah,

don't forget, Sof. Did Jawan come home? I mean, does Jawan really still, like, I guess Jawan could go in either direction, but, you know, if they can pull over one more person, you know, we've seen that Jawan is, has the ability or the temptation to go to either side or maybe whoever has the numbers. So is Sophie, yellow Sophie? Does she still feel good back at home with Hina

when MC was the person that got voted out? Maybe she feels like she now owes her loyalty to Rizzo, who, you know, like they, who in Rizzo went to her. They said nobody's playing with you, everyone's targeting you. Yeah, the right. it's yeah so I actually if that's the case where yellow Sophie is now a free agent and now

it's feeling like okay if you can't beat him join them I'm with Rizzo and Savannah and Sof all of the sudden it's four on that side on the other side you have Christina Alex Stephen probably Sage still and then who's in the middle Joanne yeah yeah I don't think Sage is ever going to go back to the Savannah side

I don't think there's too much bad blood there. I thought it was such an interesting part of the episode, the back and forth with Sage and Savannah, where that we have seen from Sage's point of view, her opinions of Shannon, her opinions about Savannah. And then here's Savannah now at the bottom. And, you know,

Sage is still making her out to be that, okay, she's a mean girl. I could be mean to. But it is interesting where from Savannah, Anna's point of view. It's like, hey, listen, like, you can't, you don't get to still be the underdog. Yeah. Exactly. Like, now I'm the underdog. And there is sort of like, you know, like, you don't get now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You don't get to still get everybody's sympathy and be in the charge now. Right. When you just masterminded the vote, you don't get to say like how you were the victim there.

Yes. Yes. And so I think it was an interesting aspect of Sage's personality that I think, think that Sage likes to, you know, plays this game in a way where, you know, the people that she is going against, like she really, like, uh, highlights their character flaws. And so I think that, and maybe weaponizes some of those character flaws.

And I thought that that was an interesting perspective shift from Savannah to say, like, hold on, hold. Like, let's, don't get it twisted. Like, uh, I'm the one, uh, who is in the bad position now. Yeah. And, and in fact, like, we saw a little bit of that when Sage voted out Shannon where Shannon goes to give her a hug and Sage is like, no, like I can't, you know, and Sage there too is in this dominant position.

She's just eliminated Shannon from the game. You know, she should be the one extending grace there, but does not want to do it because she still feels like she's the one who's been bullied. It's interesting. Like, I mean, like you said earlier in the season, seeing so many more rich interpersonal dynamics has added so much to this game to this season, which was quite. obviously for a lot of the early episodes, but now having it be so personal

just makes it a lot more fun. And Sage is great. Sage is a great character. Joanne, by the way, I think probably my favorite character so far this season. I'm just loving him. He's so fun.

Also, like he has like these little moments where that somebody will say something and he's like, ooh, like a juicy. Yeah, exactly. He gives like such fun, like additional commentary to what's going on. like in the moment. So I like all that.

I thought it was a fun moment where then I think that they were asking everybody to pick the buffs out for like who's going to be or pick the rocks out. And he said, do you even like me, Uncle Jay? And it was like, what a juxtaposition from when Uncle Jay said that to me? Oh my gosh. That's right. Do you think there was a call of a shout out? I don't think so.

Because he didn't say, do you even like, me at all, Uncle Jay? Yeah. That needs to be a real point of pride for any future RHAP people to go on and ask Jeff if they even like him. What do you think Joanne does in the next episode? I think you're right that I can see him kind of, I mean, you can really see either way.

You know, you can see him going back to the, to those Uli's. But it's very fun. He's really made it a much more exciting game because otherwise it kind of would have been this Uli Stomp. And now we just don't know which way he's going to go. Yeah. Do you think that the knowledge's power ends up? So here's the issue that Christina has the idol. The only two people who know about it are Stephen and Alex. But does Alex maybe spill to Sof about Christina having an idol? And could that potentially be a means to an end for Sof to knowledge is power, Christina's idol? I mean, if this were scripted, that's definitely what I would think would be happening. You know, if this were a scripted show,

Because, like, Christina's not a big character, but Sof is. This knowledge of power has been a thing. But it's not, which magical, but unscripted is that truly anything can happen. Yeah. So that's really exciting. Alex, who I've really liked this season that has really gone by the wayside, I feel like, in really since he switched to Heena, he's been much more of a minor character in the season. Yeah, note to future contestants, try to figure out which tribe is getting the airtime and kind of

align with that. Like, yeah, like, he made the airtime group. back the wrong horse in terms of being a big part of the story. And, you know, Sophie B, Blue Sophie, she was not a big part of the episode tonight, but I just really, I enjoy watching her play also because I feel like that she is also so cutthroat and so willing to do anything. Well, and we, I thought, I mean, I did want to give her her flowers because we did see her today, being, you know, saying, just kind of like ingratiating herself to the new

dominant power, you know, like, she's willing to go anywhere, flip on an ally in a dime. Yeah, being like, oh, I'm so sorry that you've suffered so much. She's an opportunist in the best way possible. Yeah, I mean, she's great. She's really fun. She always, and she does make it seem quite sincere, you know, like I bought it. If I was sage, I would have bought it. Oh, I didn't see that before.

Thank you for opening my eyes. Can I go back to Rizzo not playing the idol? I'd love to get your perspective. Yes, it worked, but we are not results-oriented here on the Survivor No-Dol's. I have long said, if you go to the split tribal council, dump out all your advantages. You need more important to get through this tribal council than to save your advantage. I think that we have seen more than a few folks go out at the split tribal council with an idol in their pocket. Nassir comes to mind.

I believe James Jones went out of the game with, did he use knowledge of power? Someone didn't, wasn't it used on him? Does Noelle have something? Did she have knowledge's power? I think that she, that she could steal a vote

and did she steal the, like, she was like, hey, let me steal Owens vote. And then so he wouldn't use knowledge's power, I believe is the case. I mean, James Jones, please correct the record here. But we've seen players go out in this split tribal council with an advantage in their pocket. And so I'm sure it must have happened in Survivor 46, right? I think it was.

I don't assume quite a few times. Yeah, Soda got voted out. And I don't remember who got voted out. But I don't think soda was a split tribal person, right? She was a split tribal council person. But I'm trying to remember if that was maybe the last person to before all of the the idols got taken out. But either way,

people get voted out all the time with advantages in these split tribal councils. So did Rizzo make too cocky of a move by not playing his idol? I mean, the thing is for Rizzo here, he does still conceive of himself as in this minority position, right? Where when I'm going back to this full group,

I'm once again going to be on the bottom. I'm having to survive another tribal council there, am I just going to get voted out then? And so it's this crazy tension where, you know, you have to say, if you get it right, like, did you get lucky or did you just like read the room correctly, right? Like, did he know so well through the game he was playing and his social reads that he wasn't a target? And there he fell where he made a great decision or did he get lucky? I think it's hard to have sort of these absolutes of apologize to David Bloomberg in terms of being the king of having absolutes in terms of survivor, but only a Sith and

David Bloomberg think in terms of absolutes. Yeah, I think that for Rizzo, it just might have been so clear that like these people are falling apart. Like I am not getting voted out at this tribal council. So I think that he must have felt so good going into this tribal council that he just does not play the idol. And this is going back to two weeks in a row. I use the word before. but it is malpractice to let him have the idol because you can do so many things off of the back of the idol. Like look no further to, you know, Survivor Samoa where you have a couple of people who are on the bottom. And because of idols, everybody else gets crazy. Everybody else.

I mean, we see that all the time with the shot of the dark even, where people are like, oh, what are they going to do? They're going to play the shot in the dark. What are we going to do? And with this Hina group that does not seem particularly tight in terms of what their numbers are, they lost MC, which is a big number for them. I definitely could see the side of the idol winning out, especially if we have where, you know, if for the Heena side,

that if they have Christina's idol, there's going to be a lot of talk about what they're going to do with it. And I wonder, could that potentially leak that they know what's going on? Sof's knowledge is power looms very large going into the next episode. And so I just do feel like that Joanne ends up coming home. for the next phone. Yeah, I think that's kind of likely as well. I think that's a good, a good read on the situation.

Okay. Anything else after episode eight of Survivor? Well, I do need to talk about the fishy. Oh, let's talk about it. Okay. So, this is going to be an interesting week. Who gets it? All right.

number eight for Survivor 49. So we have, initially I really thought that this was going to be the Sophie Fisci episode where she comes up with his great plan to Blindside Rizzo. I didn't really think Rizzo was going home, actually.

But like she comes up with this great plan to Blindside Rizzo and, you know, has this other idea. She nobly suggests herself as the Decoy Boot and then has this other plan where she's going to put a vote

on Joanne just in case she tells MC who is probably the person she's been with the most and of course that all goes to hell um oh no i guess she and christ have she were she and christina consistently together whatever she and mc have been together a lot and then it all goes to hell so that is not um it's not for not for uh for sophie then it's i think between two people rob and i want your perspective first of all great episode for savannah savannah as you said works beautifully her social magic, trying to smooth over any ruffled or rustled feathers. She wins the challenge, which is not typically a fishy worthy accomplishment, but then goes to the other tribe, manages to stir up enough chaos that no votes get cast for Rizzo and manages

to bank her vote a pretty incredible episode. But lastly, we have the man the myth of legend himself, R-I-Z-G-O-D, who I think had a really stellar episode socially. We see him basically taking control of his vote where he should have no agency. Even Sophie, who thought she was in control this vote, says, like, how on earth is Rizzo suddenly running this thing? He pulls in Sophie, you know, says that they can now be allies. He's very comfortable with this new fluid game that he's playing, somehow flips the vote around so that it really is MC and Sophie who by all metrics should have all the leverage here

competing between themselves to go home. No votes for Rizzo. Rizzo hold on to his idol unless you object. Do you want to chime in here before I make a verdict? Yeah, I think that this is certainly a week where I think it's a coin flip between Savannah and Rizzo. And I think it could be 51.49. So I personally think that I would come down on the side of Savannah. I think that we saw more of Savannah's work in the first half of the episode. Not that Rizzo didn't do it. Rizzo did really good work with Jawan, really making Jawan feel very good about, hey, like,

listen, I don't even worry about this thing. It's no big deal. And so I think that Rizzo and Jawan did have that relationship. I think if there's anything that's keeping Jawan connected to Uli, I think it is his relationship with Rizzo. but I think that Savannah really did put in good work. Her effort in the challenge was really, really incredible. But then she ends up like earning a lot of goodwill, winning reward for that group that

she was in. And then then proceeds to, you know, even like improve that position further by then going. And I feel like that just like the specter of her really did turn things more. in the favor of Rizzo and Savannah. She did tell Rizzo about the opportunity to get the advantage there. And I feel like that Rizzo did a good job of sort of just keeping a good face going

in terms of, okay, I am not going to script. But it's almost like that everybody else just sort of like knocked each other out. It's like that Mario Kart meme where Luigi is just like, standing there and everybody else like falls off the thing. And so I think that Savannah showing up really did help ice the thing. So my take would be Savannah over Rizzo. I'm going to go against that. Even though like Missy and Baylor, she did just show up, you know, that was not, you know, she won't. But I think that she sold it really well that, hey, I'm at the Straub Council. I'm voting

and they're like, oh my God, no, they have two votes. And so no, I definitely think that that was the case. But I do think in terms of who drove this strategy, I think we saw more of Rizzo. You even have Sophie specifically saying, how is Rizzo taking control of this vote? You know, I think when we saw Savannah being social earlier in the episode, it was with people who were not decisive in this vote. You know, you saw her talking to Stephen. In terms of like this proximate vote here, we have Rizzo winning Jawan over. We have Rizzo working Sophie. Yes. And so I think like he kind of like, by all metrics he should have been on the back foot here he should have been playing defense instead he dived right in he played offense he brought over sophy he i think i agree with you that a lot of it

was the heanus kind of imploding on themselves but i think he really like beautifully worked that yeah um he said his favorite season was token cheans and i feel like okay all right yeah so also you know fishy for choosing the right season of your favorite season um so uh fishy for Rizco. Call him the fish god now. Yeah, I don't have an issue with it. I think it was 51.49. You could have gone either way with the fishy this week.

Okay. And we love that you didn't do two fishies. Well, normally that's my, you know, I like to spread them around. You know, I'm like, you know, spread the fishes. Make one fish last for many. The miracle of the fishies. Okay. Let's talk about a miraculous review that came

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On Friday, I'll be doing the Survivor Q&A for episode 8. I'm sure we'll have lots of great questions from the patrons like we do every single week. And on Monday, I'll be back together with Chappelle for all of the mess in these Survivor streets on Club Condo and check out all the other Survivor podcasts. we have over at we know survivor.com and then speaking of the amazing race I will be back talking about the amazing race episode 8 on Thursday night check out all of our coverage of the amazing race big brother edition and I also talked about Stephen have you check out any squid game yet no I'm so excited to watch it though player 100 right there player 100 there he is Mark levy and

we also posted an interview with some of the friends of our JP who participated in Squid Game, the challenge. Chappelle and I did that as well. Check that out all on RHAP. By the way, did you know that Joanne, he's wearing overalls in honor of RHP nominated for Best Overall Podcast at the American Reality Television Awards. Did you know that?

Wow. Yeah, I didn't realize. Thank you, for your support. Go to Robbins website.com slash vote. Go to page 19. And go ahead and cast your vote for the best. overall reality podcast. And Stephen mentioned it earlier in the show.

We just announced it last week, of course. The Tribe and I have spoken the intersection of the story of Survivor and the story of me and how we got here and this incredible internet community that we've all built and all of the moments that we've shared on this TV show that we love. The Tribe and I had spoken available. Rob has a book.com. Oh, that's smart. The rob has a book.com.

I like that. Yeah. What are we going to do together? What are we going to? I should have squatted on that. I should have squatted on that. Sorry, snooze you lose.

Yeah. What are we going to do for like, are we going to go out and do anything with the people? We need to do some kind of like big, you know, when do you, when do you made as your book come out? May 5th. So that'll be before the season 50 finale. Presumably.

Maybe we can do something, you know, a thing. Like, you know, big book finale. Nally festivity. Sure. All right. So. Oh, and one last thing. I was on Hollywood Handbook.

Yes. The pro version, you know, it's like a huge honor to be on any version, but I was in the pro version. You were on the main version of Hollywood Handbook. I think I've been on both. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. But anyway, pro version of Hollywood Handbook got just got to do it. It was so extremely fun. I think I spoke about a combined four sentences in the entire half hour episode because I was like mostly just trying to keep it together and stop laughing. Like, I never, like, thought of that as a skill as a podcast guest, which apparently I don't have, which is just like not laughing nonstop. I was literally like a red face because I was trying to keep it together. Yeah, it's such a fun show.

Check out the Hollywood Handbook. Check out all the episodes, not just the one that Stephen Fishback is on. It's extremely, extremely good, a funny show. Yeah. And Sean Clement, he's been on the podcast before. He's a big survivor. He's a big of a fan of the new era. Yeah.

But he's probably very excited for Survivor. 50. I think so. Who isn't? Yeah. So check out Sean and Hayes every week on the Hollywood Handbook with Stephen Fishback. I'm looking forward to, I have it downloaded. I'm going to listen later. I mean, they're so good. They're so funny. I mean, we're funny. But like, you know, but their whole thing is being funny. We're talking about other things too. We're talking about Survivor too. Right. Okay. They're just talking about being funny. And can I give a shout out to happy 10th birthday, Anthony Sesternino. Of course, we all remember where we were 10 years ago today for Anthony's birthday

because the night before Survivor History was made when Kelly Wentworth nullified nine votes that did not count. And Andrew Savage, who we saw in San Francisco, was voted out of the game. Josh Wiggler had to do an exit interview with Andrew Savage because I was at the Cedar Sinai Medical Center to bring Anthony Sesternino into the. the world. Wow. Happy birthday, Anthony.

On that day, another Riz God was made. Did you have a nice bed in Cedars? Like a nice little day bed for yourself? So, oh, for me. Yes. My wife took great exception of that I slept during the time at the hospital, which she did not appreciate. You got to sleep.

I mean, you got to get it where you can't, right? What are my supposed to stay awake, 24 hours a day? No, no. You got to get it where you can. Those those days, those hospitals, these are tough. You know, it's just like, there's a lot. Everyone's like coming in every few hours to like do things. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. He was like a new human being in the world. Anthony was born in the evening on November 12th. He was. But not last night. Not last night. Not last night. He was due to be born, I believe, on November.

I think, I'm not sure if that was his due date, but that they wanted a call to come to the hospital on November 13th, which was. a Friday. And she said, I am not going to have a Friday the 13th baby. He ended up being born on November 12th, about 1045-ish p.m. But as they say in Final Destination, you can't cheat fate. He was meant to be a Friday the 13th baby. He's a Friday the 13th kid, but he was born on November 12th, 2015. 10 years ago today. Time flies. Friday the 13th in New York.

Or North Carolina, you know, where you now live. Well, it was California where he was born. Well, right. But in, you know, North Carolina where you live, it was Friday the 13th already. Oh, okay. Oh, that's right. So true.

So true. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us, everybody. Looking forward to seeing what you have to say in the comments. Take care. Have a good one. Bye.

Thank you.