RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 10

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 10 Survivor Know-It-Alls is back with hosts Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach breaking down an electric night on Survivor 50, featuring high-stakes gameplay and a million-dollar coin flip courtesy of Mr. Beast. As the castaways navigate a jam-packed post-merge episode, Rob and Stephen dig into pivotal moves, chaotic tribals, and the game-altering impact of a celebrity guest. This episode throws tradition out the window. Literal and figurative comfort and chaos take over, making every strategic decision feel more urgent. The pod kicks off with reactions to Mr. Beast’s dramatic arrival, an unprecedented twist that doubles the grand prize to $2 million. Rob and Stephen debate whether the Mr. Beast coin flip power is too overpowered, dissecting how Rick Devens leveraged this unique advantage to flip his fate. The hosts unravel the complex web of shifting alliances, zeroing in on the moment Jonathan’s misstep sparks a series of plans and betrayals, leading to a shocking blindside at Tribal Council. They break down Cirie’s calculated pendulum strategy, the fallout when loyalty unravels, and Tiffany’s remarkable social climb from bottom to sidecar beside Cirie. Plus, the return of the Survivor auction and its lighter moments offer respite before strategy resumes. – Mr. Beast’s impact on gameplay and the unprecedented $2 million prize – Rick Devens’ bold coin flip and how it shifted his status in the game – Jonathan’s critical miscalculation and its ripple effects on alliance dynamics – Cirie’s pendulum strategy and the risks of cutting too many allies – The Survivor auction’s return, standout moments, and its role in episode pacing Can Rick Devens’ risky move buy him more than just another night in the game, or will the target only grow? Will Cirie’s strategy of swinging between alliances leave her vulnerable as the numbers dwindle? 0:00 Mr. Beast Arrives: Double Prize Twist 4:07 Rick Devens Flips the Crucial Coin 8:06 Mr. Beast Advantage Raises Game Stakes 12:21 Mr. Beast’s Survivor Appearance Reaction 14:15 Jonathan’s Lie Sparks Downfall 16:19 Cirie’s Pendulum Strategy in Action 18:46 Stephanie’s Exit: Blame and Strategy 22:10 Tribal Council Chaos and Steal-A-Vote Curse 26:31 Tiffany’s Underdog Post-Merge Journey 31:39 Auction Returns: Food and Fun Moments 36:36 New Era End? Survivor Format Rumors 38:13 Emotional Letters from Loved Ones Listen in to hear Rob and Stephen debate the chaos, the coin flip, and what comes next for these Survivor legends! To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com To order Stephen’s novel Escape!, visit stephenfishbach.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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And I lost. Yes. Yes. Yes. We lost. And we are here. And we're live, live tonight here with you talking about. What a night, though, to be talking about Survivor after.

Electric. An electric night of Survivor where Mr. Beast came. Mr. Beast doing Mr. Beast things. Rick Devin's doing Rick Devin's things, and Stephanie LaGroza ends up being, but I did not see that coming at the start of the episode. You did not see it. Did not see it. And so here we are, and a lot to talk about here on a busy night. You know, Stephen and I, we have so much fun podcasting.

Also, sometimes we're like, hey, let's do a guy's trip in the middle of the week. And so we just got back into our respective towns. We're going to be back. We're going to be hanging out again this weekend. I'm coming to Stevens Turf in D.C. as I begin my book tour here for The Tribe and I have spoken, which is available for pre-order for a few more days because it drops everywhere this Tuesday, May 5th.

Rob has a book.com. For that, the number one book about TV shows on Amazon.com. How about that? It's fantastic. Well, congratulations. It's such a fun, great book. I've loved reading it. It's just like, it's filled with insights. It's also just like a really fun great read. I mean, you like sum up this fandom and this 25 years of this show and like you have all these like great water cooler moments. With Forward by Stephen Fishback. But, okay, that's enough of the. Look, well, plenty of time to talk about the book. We got to talk about this big, big night. And Stephen, what's your reaction to? I know there was a lot of hand-wringing about Mr. Beast. coming in. People were worried. People were nervous. Mr. Beast was going to come in and ruin Survivor 50. What's your reaction? Listen, I thought it was fantastic. I loved it. I'm sure over the

next few weeks, I'll break down why it was like a non-optimal game moment. But in the moment, I was so enthusiastic. I loved it. It was great television. It was electric, I thought, as we said earlier. and I was just like on the edge of my seat and I yes I was just I thought it was certainly the best celebrity related moment of the season low bar but I think like we can confidently say much better

than Billy Elish's non-involvement who did show up in a commercial I don't know if you were watching the commercials tonight Billy Eilish said she will be back next week to talk about her new movie on the commercial Was there like a survivor theming to it at all? She said hey you know I'm a big survivor fan.

Not that I noticed, Billy, but I digress. I digress. Yeah. The lows of Zach Brown, certainly the dark days of Jimmy Fallon are behind us. This was a very fun twist. And I still thought it was like great overall.

Like, I don't want every survivor vote being decided by a coin flip, but this was like a really fun moment. Rick opted in. He went for it. You know, this was so Rick Devons coded. This really was the most. Rick Devinsey is like everything here was like of that you know if you sort of like

wrote this uh ahead of time and where it's like okay it's going to be the final tennis R5thi Rick Devons is going to be on the bottom but there's going to be a thing they're looking for one person to do a desperate thing to try to say themselves like yeah this like Rick Devin's Rick Devin's Rick Devin's Rick Devin's and so he's a mr. Beast man too he's he's you know he and jack watch Mr. Beast as a fellow dad I could tell you and I recently I got to interview Mr. Beast. I asked him about this that was coming up. Mr. Beast was very excited for everybody to see this. You understand why. Mr. Beast forked up a million dollars to the eventual winner of Survivor 50. So now we are talking about a $2 million prize for only the second time in Survivor history. And it is really, I think that we'll be even- I think the Grosso would say for the third time in Survivor history. Yes?

Is that what did she say? No, no. She kept on saying her torch was snuffed four times and, in fact, it's only been snuff. It's only been snuff. It's only been snuff three times. Yes, that's correct. But we'll see if that impacts the game the rest of the way. But this was really, really exciting.

It was an incredible moment. I will say that I do think that they played with fire tonight and they got away with it. I think that they put themselves in a precarious position where this was shaping up to be the most eventful vote of the season. And it almost didn't happen. And so I hope that the powers that be as survivor, hey, this was fantastic television tonight. It was a jam-packed two-hour episode.

This was, and again, I do not think that this will be the norm. But when you're at the risk of canceling a tribal council, tread lightly with that. I think I would have liked to have, I would have liked it. even more had it been, because I feel like, I don't want to be results oriented because we got the optimal results for exciting television.

If Rick Devons misses, Rick Devon strikes out. I think it would have been like, wamp, everybody, go back to camp, we'll see you tomorrow. I think we would have been living tonight. I was like,

we waited, this was the best, everything, all hell was breaking loose and then we didn't have a vote. So I think it should be like, hey, somebody can flip the coin if you're not safe, if you're not feeling good.

But guess what? That person's going to be gone and a second person is going to be out of the game tonight. I have two responses to that. What do you think? First of all, I agree with you abstractly. If that had happened, we would have been watching a very different episode, right? Like, we're not seeing, we're seeing a very different story if Rip Devin's goes home. And then they're not giving us the want-wam moment.

It's like everyone is targeting Rick. There's a chaotic scramble, yes, but all the votes are going to be on Rick. Rick does this chaotic play, but he's his back against the wall. This is his last chance. And we know that he's gone, right? Like, if Rick goes, we're seeing a narrative, like, we know he's gone anyway. And he flips the coin. What a hero moment.

But he's gone, but that's okay because he was leaving anyway. And he got this, like, cool moment. So first of all, like, I think we're seeing a very different story. Sure. That is the result in terms of being results oriented. I'm very edit oriented. But I also think that the reason it was such a live travel council was because of the uncertainty. I do think that. Like, Dalton kind of said, like, that's not like Rick still would have

brought the heat tonight. I'm not sure if he would have had the avenue to bring the heat. I think that Jeff was right, that this big looming uncertainty of like, what's in the box was making every kind of up the paranoia. It made it much harder to get a definitive plan in place. And that created this like back and forth where everybody kind of had to throw out 13 different names. But that's interesting because I feel like that, and this is something that our colleague, Taryn Armstrong, who we podcast about Beast Games with, typically says about Big Brother, is that the uncertainty that the players face when there is an unknown twist often causes the players to play more conservative, to be more safe. Right. And so I think that for somebody like Rick and Emily,

who are clearly at the bottom, I think that they were certainly incentivized to throw everything up in the air because they were on the bottom. But for the other players, I'm not sure if they were necessarily more aggressive because of the unknown of the Mr. Buse Super Beware Advantage. Well, but the thing is, so, I mean, we do talk about that for sure with Survivor 2,

right, that like the uncertainty of the game has caused, like the chaotic nature of the game has caused more conservative gameplay. But I don't know. I think with like the, maybe I'll disagree with myself about this, because I think that's a really good counter argument. But I do think that like the, it's not like, the, it's not like,

like two people are going home or like, you know, there was like, there was like this, this like you, you're something really crazy and bad is going to happen. Yeah. You know, just that sort of like looming nature without any kind of indication of what the stakes would be or what the result would be. It wasn't like you got to have two plans tonight. Like maybe they think they're swapping. Like there's just no way to know, you know, who's going home. I'd love to, uh, let's stay on Mr. Beast for a little while and just talk about this. Uh, do you think that the Mr. Beast coin flip ultimately, was this too overpowered in any way where not only does Rick Devin's get to double the prize money, also gets immunity. Also, this is the part that I wonder, is this too much

where he's safe for this vote and gets a hidden immunity idol? Yeah, well, see, I actually think it's kind of like you need the idol because otherwise they can just say, okay, yeah, let Rick do it. We'll just vote him out tomorrow. You know, like, yeah, that's fine. This doesn't really matter. Like, Rick's safe for tonight, but who cares? Like, he's getting us $2 million. Yeah. If he flipped the fire, he goes home. And, you know, worst case scenario or best case scenario is he hits the two million and we can vote him out the next tribal council. I mean, Dalton kind of tweeted something similar, you know, that a shot in the dark is a 17% chance and this is a 50% chance of staying. So if you know your back is against the wall, this is greatly increases your odds.

So yeah, if you knew your backs against the wall, this greatly increases your odds. That said, nobody else did this. And maybe Rick really was the one who was like definitely knew he was going to go. But we certainly saw a lot of other names out there tonight. Nobody else went for this. It wasn't like there was a scramble. Because I was a little confused when I was watching it because I thought that, okay, here's your idol to play at this tribal council tonight. And I had to ask in chat, BCC, wait, Rick gets an idol and he's also safe for this vote?

because to me, I feel like that this was just like instead of a 17% chance shot in the dark, you get a 50% chance shot at the dark and also you become a hero. You get to ultimately, you know, everybody's loving Rick Devons right now for what, maybe not Joe. And, but now you say for two votes potentially because of this.

Yeah. You know, but like also shot in the dark, you can't vote, right? I mean, and like, and like that only matter, like you're not instantly eliminated. Like there's a chance that like the votes go your way, which this is like you're no matter what instantly eliminated. Yeah.

I mean, the real like, it would have, I do think like if nobody had volunteered, they'd had to draw rocks. And then, I mean, as Surrey flips the coin and goes home, that would have, that would have felt bad. They really did walk on a tight rope tonight. And they nailed it. They totally aced it. They got like the best case scenario with this.

And listen, I know. that there are certainly plenty of Mr. Beast detractors that are out there. But I feel like that detractors. Oh, the tractors. I don't have seen any Mr. Beast tractors out there. I thought he was like competing with John Deere. I didn't know. May, perhaps.

Yeah. But I really did feel like that this was a very exciting night of Survivor Tribal Council. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like, if you're, I mean, is it like pure survivor game? No. But I thought it was really fun. I mean, I also like, I actually think in some ways, like, they were really benefited by all the like negative advance hype, you know, and all the animal.

Oh, Mr. Beast is coming. They're going to edit the episode out. They're editing Mr. Beast out of the episode. Yeah. And they really, they did though. They made it very, like I felt like he was there and a very appropriate amount, right? Like he was there. He came in.

Like, they celebrated him. He didn't have 13. confessions. He didn't go spearfishing. And it was like it was, you know, he like added a little bit of like Mr. Beast sizzle to it. And I understand that some people don't want that. And maybe like I a few years ago would not want that. But I enjoyed it. Yeah. So I think that it just came in. It was about the game. It was we didn't see. Mr. Bees had zero confessions tonight.

Zero confessional. Really, you know, it was a zero confessional night for Mr. Beast. So I don't know that that's. Inv one. Yes. Yes. He really did not even have that much dialogue. Yeah, he said very little. In fact, at tribal council, he said basically nothing until, you know, I think like he had a few, a few moments. You know, like, yeah, there's just a few little moments. Yeah.

But it's not appropriate. I honestly thought that we could have had more Mr. Beast, you know. Yeah. And it'll be very interesting based off of whoever wins the season is going to be like, oh my God, I like, thank you Mr. Beast for, Mr. Beast. I love you for, like, if Surrey goes on to win this. And Surrey wins a second million dollars, courtesy of Mr. Beast. Oh, no. Mr. Beast is the hero of Survivor.

Yeah. He's going to be, like, yeah, people will be really celebrating him. Okay. Yeah. Stephen, I want to talk about ultimately the vote, though, of how this ultimately went down this path. And I really do believe that the inciting incident here was Jonathan. And Jonathan has been on a really good.

good run here in this season. And you have really commented a great deal about how Jonathan's played a really good game so far. This, it was curious that the flip against Ozzy where it was really like Christian touched the third rail last week when he went to Surrey and said, hey, we're going to get out Ozzie. And then it was that I really pushed Ozzy into the arms of Jonathan and Stephanie and And Joe, although it does seem like that Joe is also, like, getting pretty close to Tiffany and Surrey.

And then this week, to turn it around after the Johnny, after the Ozzy play flopped at the last vote for Jonathan to try to push this idea, I think this is where all hell starts to break loose. And this was really interesting, right? So Jonathan goes to Surrey, and she says, like, absolutely not. And then who does she push it back on to? She kind of pushes it right back on to R. Who did she, who's push for there?

I don't remember. But then, then Stephanie kind of approaches her as well. And like, Ceri seems to consult that Stephanie is lying so badly to her. Like at least, and then so she's like,

maybe I need to get Stephanie out. I actually wondered, I'm about to say something potentially sacrilegious here, Rob. Okay. I wondered if Ceri and I is voting out too many of her allies.

because Stephanie comes to her. Like she's putting so much on the line just to save Ozzy. Like Christian who thinks he's an alliance with her comes to her. He's gone. You know, Stephanie who thinks she comes in an alliance with her. Yeah. These are all people who are rooting for Surrey to be in the game.

But they're not targeting Surrey. They're just targeting Ozzy. Stephen, the problem is... Is she spending too much capital? Last week, she said, I'm working with every single person in the game. So by that proxy, every single person she gets rid of, it's somebody who wants to work with her. So I think that there,

is so much history between Stephanie and Surrey. I think Surrey has now outlasted Stephanie on four different seasons of reality TV. And I have to do the Lagrosa math because maybe it's five. But certainly the first Heroes versus Villains or the only Heroes versus Villains in American Survivor, snake in the grass, the traders, and now here in Survivor 50. Yeah. Dirty Dancer has the remark,

Ozzie is the only one who may drag her to the end. There's something to that. I think, like, she had a confessional that she didn't think that Stephanie would go all the way with her. And I think that that's probably true. Like, maybe she believes that Ozzy will actually take her to the end. Well, I really thought that this was a pushback

against our Jonathan. Stephanie and Joe accumulating too much power. And I think it's been really interesting to watch Surrey operate in a true Will Wall pendulum strategy here that we hit Chrissy and Coach a couple of weeks ago.

Okay? Then let's swing back. Let's break up Christian and Emily and Devon. Okay. Now this, oh, we don't want Jonathan and Stephanie and Joe to get too much power. Let's hit Stephanie. And now, I kind of wonder,

is on the comeback, is it time to take out Emily? Or Rick? That's what I think so. I mean, I think Rick's guy is idle. I think there's no way that Emily's not gone next. That's really elegantly stated in terms of what she's doing it and probably where her inspiration comes from, well, while in Millennials, Brogenics.

And it was coach who warned of we have to keep an eye on the middle. We can't let the middle gain too much power. And he, unfortunately, he just mislabeled of who the middle was. He thought the middle was Christian and Emily and Rick and possibly Aubrey. And really the middle was Surrey and Ozzie and Rizzo. Yeah. And Arias Stark of Winterfell is commenting Stephanie said her name.

So of course she did the right thing. But Stephanie said her name like after she was pushing it back on Stephanie, I believe, right? Like Stephanie said we should get Surrey. I think, well, I think they're after. Yeah, I think that when Stephanie went to Surrey, I think Surrey was a little cold. to Stephanie and then I think

Stephanie started to get the hints that Surrey wasn't feeling it and then I think then they told Joe the plan I believe and Ozzy told Joe the plan and then Joe went back and told Jonathan and Stephanie and then Stephanie confronted Surrey about it

but I think that just to go back to where this all started the genesis of all the chaos that happened in this pre-tribal scramble. Jonathan tells Stephanie a little white lie where like Jonathan

who had been doing a really good job he tells a he makes up a lie to Stephanie that oh Ozzy said he wasn't feeling great about Stephanie something to that effect or yeah no that was that he was worried about that he was worried

about Stephanie yeah yes and she's like what oh well if that's how he feels then then sure we got to get rid of Ozzie if they don't do that, if they keep the plan on Rick Devons, Stephanie doesn't go home here. Right. Yeah.

Do you think Rick is getting voted out here if he doesn't, if he doesn't, I don't think so. I think that, you know, we talk about these live tribal councils and how at the live tribal council, not that much changes. I have just, on this season,

I just defer to what did Surrey want to have happened? Exactly, exactly. Yeah. And I think it's pretty clear. The thing that Surrey wanted was for Stephanie to go home. I think that Surrey had had it with Stephanie. And once you lie to Surrey, it's over for you. And Surrey wants to be working with Ozzie and Rizzo, who tell her all the secrets.

And Stephanie was serving her purpose as long as Surrey could look at her. And Stephanie can be like, all right, I have the advantage. But then when Stephanie is trying to snow, Surrey, that's really like, that's it. You're done. Now, Stephanie at tribal council, when she's being called out, could very well have pointed the finger, or even before then, right, at Jonathan.

And said, no, it was Jonathan who was the one who was initially talking about Ozzy. But she didn't. And I think she even said in her final words, like, Jonathan. So you know that that wasn't, I didn't say that. That wasn't my idea. Yeah. And it wasn't.

And she never, but she never, like, put it back on. him. Is that noble or is that dumb? Is that a good idea or a bad idea? Maybe that's a simple way. I mean, I think that she wanted to clear her name. I don't know if it's a great idea for Jonathan. Yeah, I believe Jonathan does

vote for Stephanie. Everyone voted for Stephanie. Except Stephanie and by the way, Stephen. Is it time to revisit the curse of the steal of vote? Yeah. Listen, only Sarah Lascena has ever played it perfectly. I don't know. I think that she

used it. To no effect. Yes. I think she used it, but it had no effect. I think it's like it's, I think that maybe there's a little like a controversy there of like how effective was it where. Right. But it's not as easy as it looks, right?

No. No. She really. I mean, that was that was. Yeah. Yeah. Listen. Always happy to see a steal a vote go down in flames.

Yeah. It was fun in then the live tribal scramble of Stephanie like asking people. people, because you saw a lot of people who were not on the same page, like, talking to each other. You see Ozzy talk to Stephanie, and Stephanie says, hey, so what do you think? Should I use the steal a vote? And Ozzy's like, no, don't use it. The best was Jonathan going over to Emily, and she's like, and he's like, what are we doing? And she's like, put the votes on Aubrey. And he says, you're so full of it. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see now for Jonathan. Well, how did, can Jonathan pick up the pieces here.

Jonathan's had a rough go. Like, he was in a really good spot at the merge. The double elimination totally screwed him in terms of his, you know, both coach and Chris, but then he bounced back. He bounced back beautifully. And then this kind of like up at, upends him. He needed Ozzy. That was a big mistake for him to, uh, get rid of Ozzie because they were always worried

about Ozzie. Like that's been like, if he and Joe have talked about it like that, and he's, you know, that, that Ozzie is not a long term ally for them. But why? They've got the similar vibe. I don't know. He said that... Ozzy was somebody.

He said, Mr. Ozzy, he's somebody who's playing a much better game. And if he gets to the end, he's going to have a lot of votes, including my... But it's the final 10. And, you know, you needed... Like, if they...

They don't know that Ozzy is truly with Surrey, but right now they have three, and Joe is starting to wander off. And Ozzy was potentially four, if they were pulling him in, Like you kind of needed Ozzy if you were going to be pulling him into like Ozzy I think was kind of like deep down

He's a honor loyalty integrity guy Yeah do you think like I mean I think I think like I mean I think Aubrey mentioned this in the episode Somebody else that even though there's 10 people left There's a lot of people Just a fact of starting with 24 makes it feel very endgamy Like there's so few people left compared to how many there were

It feels kind of like they're right at the right at the right at the end at the end game. But it does feel a little premature to take a big swing at someone who is kind of a fringe ally here. Just the reasoning of that he could win if he gets to the end.

And Surrey is still sitting there to go after Ozzy because he's the biggest threat to win the game at this point in time. It's too early for that. I think so too. But who's a better target for Jonathan? I think that for Jonathan,

I mean, I mean, You have Joe who, that his mission is to get rid of Rick Debbins. You know Emily Flippin is never working with you. So for an Ozzie, you got indignant Ozzie at the start of this episode, which is classic Ozzy of where he's really so indignant about Rick who's a liar and Emily and she, you can't trust her. and then to push Ozzy away when he was like eating out of the palm of their hands right now, I think for those people that their move should have been, were splitting the votes against Emily and Rick Devin's tonight. Because those two people were never working.

Instead, they go to Rick Devin's and bring Rick Devin's in on the plan to vote out of Ozzy. Yeah. I do think in these, you know, seasons, it's like these alliances are never that need. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because you're never going to run the table. I mean, I wonder where they think Rizzo is. Like, who do, because we know who Rizzo's allies are, but does, dude, does Jonathan still

think Rizzo's a horseman, one of the four horsemen? No, I don't think so. I think that they probably just think he's just kind of a free agent. Yeah, like a kid who's just happy to be there. He's just happy to be there. Yeah, let's take him to the end. Nobody's going to vote for him, probably. They don't know him.

So they're just, I don't think they're taking him too seriously. I don't think they're really looking at Aubrey. but I think that for Rick and Emily, it's just like they were never going to work with those people. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. I mean, maybe just because Rick has been the, always with these votes,

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I'd love to talk about Tiffany, who's had such an interesting ride here in the post-merge. She really came into the post-merge at the devote. She's the person who's totally at the bottom. I had a great podcast with Kelly Wentworth the other day, and we're talking about the different trajectories that Rick Devons and Tiffany have taken since they've been at the bottom. And, of course, Rick Devin's is doing the flashy Rick Devin's things that you know and love from Rick Devin's, but Tiffany's taken such a different trajectory and really just rebuilt her game from the bottom up. And she's in such a interesting position.

And she's really done this the traditional way that people have clawed their way back from the bottom where she's kept her head down. She's had good relationships. She is beloved. When she wins immunity, every. You can always, that's such a tell, when the group celebrates the person who won immunity, and she has the great moment where she talked about how, like, you know, last time I played, I went out on day 19 and all the old school players, that's so cute. That's so adorable. Yeah, exactly. But for Tiffany, that it was such a great moment for her. And she's really sort of just like she's in the sidecar with Surrey.

And it's a great spot for her to be in as a challenge beast, as somebody who you presume that she could make fire. If she's sort of just like drifting off of Surrey and, you know, that Survivor has a strange way of just like doing bad things to Surrey right at the end of the game. And Tiffany's in such a great position where nobody's gunning for her, nobody's targeting her anymore. where she could be somebody who just sneaks into the final three. Yeah, you're absolutely right. You can see it. And, you know, when they, because they're all, obviously, their eyes are all off Tiffany, right? Because all of her allies were voted out.

You're right. She's kept her head down. She's, like, built relationships with them. But nobody sees her as a threat. She's like the, they're like the one that they're bringing in. And so you totally could see her kind of sneaking in. But if she sneaks in, if you sneak into the final three, it's hard to win if you're sneaking.

It's hard to sneak in, but she's so well liked. And she does have such a story where she was like, hey, I was at the bottom. We merged with, what, 17 people. And then all my allies went home. And I had nobody. And I won immunities and I fought hard. And I think this is her second immunity that she's won now after the immunity that she won with Joe a couple of weeks ago.

So I think she is building up a story. It is interesting to see that personal relationship that she's having with Surrey. We're not seeing a lot of it in terms of the story. Back in Survivor Game Changers, we actually saw more of it with Michaela, where Sarie talked about more about her relationship with Michaela, about how she looked at Michaela as like a younger version of herself. I remember in the preseason interviews,

Surrey talked about how she didn't really want to work with Tiffany. She said that she looked at her as sort of like a millennial who, She said that the thing about some of these younger people is that they have their own ideas. They don't really listen. I'd love to hear some more confessional at some point. Like, what does Surrey think of Tiffany? Yeah. How is she looking at her.

Yeah. Yeah. But it seems like that they've become incredibly close. We always see them together in these scenes. You see Surrey on the hammock and Tiffany is parked right there. And it's really like a great spot for her. Yeah. It's a really good spot.

you're absolutely right. And because that's the decision maker. You know, it's like you're, you're sitting next to the king. You know, you get to like kind of weigh in. Put somebody, you know, get your voice heard. And it's like, Ozzy is off doing his own thing and Surrey has to always keep filling him in on what's going on. Like, Tiffany doesn't need to get filled in. She's right there. If I was on Survivor, that's what I want moved my own. I would, I would want to be sitting next to Surrey. You know, I mean, like, I'm learning a lot. I get to like weigh in on what's happening. This happened to Christian. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but he wasn't next to her enough because then he was, you know, he said he missed some,

some key meetings. He missed his schedule conflicted with some key meetings of that alliance. Yeah. Okay. So for Rick and Emily, do you think that the worm has turned for them where they have a path going forward? No, I think you're right that this, I mean, this is bad for Emily, right? Like, this is bad because obviously, like, Rick has got a lot of heat, but he's kind of untouchable.

So the closest thing to Rick is Emily. So I, and I think you're right that Sirry's going to, swing back. She's going to swing back to the wall and hit Emily next. Like a wrecking ball? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was shrinking like to the

windows. I didn't get it. Yeah, but there was like what's the, you know, yeah. It had been like, if Rizzo had been voted out, that'd be good. From the Rizzo to the wall. Anyway, there's something there. But we'll work on it. Okay. Yeah. Let's talk about Stephen. It was auction night too. How about that?

Oh, yeah. Okay. So we had, the auction came back and we went to the Survivor auction and Jeff greeted the cast members and said like, hey, all right, you know what, Survivor 50. Today, we're finally going to have some fun today. Okay.

Forget that yesterday, Jeff did a challenge for the rice negotiation, okay? Listen, we've been way too serious around here. You guys haven't eaten anything. We need the auction right now. And I think that the new

has broken me in some ways because I'm sitting there and I'm like what the hell they're just like everybody's eating so much and it's like that this is like okay Aubrey had to eat a bug and Jonathan had to eat a lot of food. There was so much food. There was

like going for like no money it was like cheaper than you get some of this stuff at the store I feel like especially with prices now and the bad stuff was not even that bad I mean the two gross moments you're right even my kids were like wait I thought he said that there was going to be like a lot of chaos that happens at this auction.

And it was really just like, yeah. Just a free for all. And I'm sort of like, oh yeah, but hey, Rob, guess what? It's just the Survivor auction. Like, it doesn't have to be, it's supposed to be low stakes. It's supposed to be fun and goofy. Yes. I actually felt like there were not as many fun goofy auction moments as there have been

in the past. I guess it's like setting up the Mr. B stuff. But there weren't a lot of like fun, like classic goofy auction moments, right? Like, what was the? Aubrey eating the bug was far and away, the goofiest. That was great. That was very fun. A great Aubrey moment.

Yeah. Yeah, it's great Aubrey moment. For sure. But yeah, I felt like it was like, and obviously we're building towards Mr. Beast. And then we had like the flip of, okay, now you're going to do a challenge. I was like, okay, this was like, I'm always looking for like the little wrinkle of like, oh, you thought you were getting something good, but it's actually something bad. but the challenge that they,

I kind of thought they were going to do the challenge where like, remember when Marianne, they were all spinning in a circle and I thought they were going to do something. That would be too disgusting. Because they gave them so much food. I really thought, okay, now, but now they'll pay for it and they'll do a challenge

that's really good. But the challenge that they did, it was almost like, okay, well, you had so much excitement. Now can you bring your heartbeat down to do this show? Like, I would have loved to have seen something where, okay, now it's a, obstacle course. Now you're going to go and run and compete and do something strenuous after you've been overfed. I don't need to see everybody puking. I'm not with you. Oh, we part ways here. I do not

need to see everybody being vomiting. But then who cares that they did a challenge immediately right after that? Why did... Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is probably just like they're running out of time here. We got to get to Mr. Beast. Yeah, I don't know. This was all in one day, and that's probably why it was also chaotic in this episode. But I really felt like when Jeff It's like, all right, now you'll get those letters back at camp. Because guess what? You're going right into a challenge. Like, uh-oh, here we go.

But there was like no impact of... Totally normal challenge. It's totally normal challenge. Ready set, stand still. And so there was like nobody really seemed to have like the ill effects of like, oh, they overindulged or somebody like drank at the, like, first of off. Where was the margarita? How could you do the auction without the margarita? Especially now that there's the margarita curve.

you know, it seemed like that Joe didn't get anything. There's always things that get cut out of the actual. I'm sure they cut stuff out. So, who knows? But like, yeah, it would have been funny if somebody was drunk and then having to be in the challenge. Yeah. I wouldn't mind that it was action-packed. I don't need to see a lot of it.

You know, I like that. Let's keep it moving here. I like the strategy. I do like the camp stuff. I do like the down time. But I didn't. Yeah. But, Stephen, as we are going into the 50s, okay, of Survivor and the era that

will come after Survivor 50, which we do not know too much about, although there are some rumors. Do you name? Oh, there's rumors. What are the rumors? There's a rumor that it's going to be two tribes.

Whoa! Yeah, which we're like, everybody do Mr. Beast's hands. Yes. Two tribes, but each episode they tribes split into two other tribes. Yeah, but I'm wondering the whole premise

of the new era. You have to earn everything. You got to earn it. Everything is earn, earn, earn. And now we had an episode where it was just an auction free for all. Nobody lost their votes. We had big tribes here all through the post merge.

All the things we want. I'm just wondering that has the new error run its course? Wow. Maybe the next error is everyone just sits back. You know, it's all very comfy and cozy. AI does everything. AI does all the work Of course. You think so?

That's what's going to be. Yeah. Yeah. It's like trying to stay concurrent with the times, you know? Mm-hmm. Everyone got chat sheet, BT. Who should I backstep? I mean, we gave them, like, they just got all the rice yesterday.

And then we had an auction on top of that. Yeah. It's great. And nobody even lost their vote. Yeah. It's, it's, that's, that's, that's, that's, but someone flipped a coin for elimination. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I, I'm just wondering if maybe that some of these things have, are, we're, we're, we're, starting to look at maybe other ideas. I'm optimistic. Yeah. Right. There's less of the same, like, right, the same mentality. That's great. I'm very excited, too. I mean, because that would be really nice to go back to some of the things we love and keep some of the wonderful parts of the new era. Sure. We also ended the auction with the old classic, you know, the price of everything is going up, but the price of letters at the auction has remained $20 for over a decade. now.

Yeah. I like the letters. The letters never get me like to. Let's bring back the people. If we can bring that that way, that's the change that I would make, Rob. I want the people back there. Yeah. Everybody got their letters

here and you really, you know, shades of winners at war where kind of broke the loved ones visit. That was the last loved ones visit that we had. Also COVID broke the loved ones visit. And we got, everybody got their letters here in the

final 10. Yeah. Yeah, it was very moving. I mean, we hear from Surrey's dad who's never written her life. That's incredible. Like, what an emotional moment. You know, it really is very meaningful. And, you know, I don't know about you, but I have a letter. Like, I, I too never got a letter from my dad or got very few letters from my dad in my life. Maybe like when I first went away to college. But the letter that my dad sent me and my dad, as many people know, has passed away some time ago. I have that framed in my office. Like, it really is a very nice thing to have from somebody of, like, that there's, like, a permanence to it, even beyond the game. Yeah. And it's because there's that sort of, like, formal setting.

Like, I am communicating something to my child in this moment when they're suffering and when they are most looking for my kind of, like, encouragement and love and support. I actually really regret not having saved those letters. Yeah. What would you do? You lost them? I don't know. I threw them out. You moved a lot.

They're probably somewhere. They're in a file folder somewhere. Well, but that is it. They're in a file folder. Yeah, that's true. That's true. No, but it's beautiful, though. And it really is, it's nice.

I mean, seeing, you know, Mike Bloom tweeted it's just like a new aspect of this character we've been watching for even this human being we've been watching for 20 years to see this, like, other aspect of her that we've never seen before. You know, it's really, it's really kind of is a beautiful moment. Yeah, we've really gotten to know so many members of the Fields extended family between

you know, Saris had some famous loved ones visits where HB came out back in Survivor Panama. And I think like, I think he might have come back to the camp and Surrey was showing him what was going on. And then Jared has a great loved ones visit when he spent

the night in Panama. Am I remember that incorrectly. I don't know if he spent the night. Yeah, I do remember him back at camp. I do remember that he was at the camp. I'm sure the chat will know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Jared had a really great loved ones visit in Survivor game changers to the point where they wanted to cast him on David versus Goliath. And then ultimately, we got to know Jared on Big Brother. But now, yeah, we now have to start to know about the Surrey's dad, too. Yeah. I mean, it's great. I mean, the whole Fields family. Yeah. They're all, they're all legends, presumably. Stephen, I know you love to edit. I want to make an edit observation tonight.

Is it about Aubrey? I thought that this was like the all Aubrey episode. To me, this was almost like the Tony extortion episode of confessionals for Aubrey tonight. What was the extortion? I mean, there's an episode in Survivor Game Changers. I think it might have also been episode 10 or 11 right around this time, where Tony Tony, I think, set the record for one hour episode of Survivor. I think he had 20 professionals in one episode of Survivor,

in the episode where he got the extortion advantage or disadvantage. The, yeah, yeah, I mean, this was very Aubrey focused. I, speaking as a person who has been burned many, many, many times by calling out a winner's edit, I felt like this was a little aggressive. like even though you know it certainly made me think Aubrey will be here for a few more weeks I predict she will be in the end

after tonight. Yeah. A lot of like a lot of Aubrey, a lot of like Aubrey as like a mom and how being a mom is going to like make her a better player. You know, a lot about how her person, go ahead. Oh, and maybe I missed it.

And maybe it was like more on the subtle side but I really did not feel like that Aubrey was a key. factor or contributor in the outcome of tonight's vote. And we really saw, like, we saw this whole thing, really through Aubrey's POV from, we started the episode where Aubrey talking about the survivor games like a chess board and we have a dwindling number of moves that could be made. And of course, Aubrey has a couple of really great moments during the auction from eating the bug to the macaroni cheese, you know, tastes like home. And then we end up getting her with the letters.

But then also we have Aubrey reminiscing about how she is remembering Michelle and Michelle, even though she felt like that she should have gone. And she should have been the winner of Survivor Colerong as many people did. And we were like, really, we lived through that discourse of the Michelle and Aubrey Wars of what, 2015 and... Yeah, it was intense. It really was

intense. And she said that, well, but you know, Michelle did make moves and she made moves at the end, and maybe that's how I'm looking at the game. And we saw that Aubrey, she talked about really wanting to blow things up at the tribal council with Rick Devons.

I didn't see her blowing things up at tribal council as much. I should hope to, but he kind of sucked the air out of the room. Like, how do you follow that after? You're like, no, I'll go on tomorrow night. Yeah, you can't outblow things up when Rick Devin's around. Rick, Rick, just like, what a performance. We haven't even talked about that yet.

I'm very excited too. Like, what a performance from Rick. But yes, yeah, she talked about it, but I think after that you're kind of like, okay, okay. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to all that. But yes, I mean, as someone who is attentive to the edit, like, I felt like I was being trolled. It was such a heavy-handed win. You really feel like, okay.

Well, like, Aubrey is one to watch. And we really did see, you know, looking back where, you know, it wasn't like that she was the main character, really, at any point in this season. You know, we have had consistent eyes on Aubrey all through the season from the battle with Genevieve to then ultimately, you know, trying to work out a relationship with coach and having a relationship with Tiffany. and then with her relationship with Rick and Christian and Emily and then ultimately a relationship with Jonathan. So we've seen many different sides of Aubrey so far this season.

Yeah, and we got a lot of her emotion along the way too, which is often a sign of a winner. Like, you know, just like sort of seeing her, you know, obviously struggling at the beginning and then struggling a little more and now could then kind of like finding her footing. Just to clarification, Rob, and this was throwing me too, it was winners at war. Tony got eliminated, I think, in episode two or three of game changer.

You were just saying, Tony. I apologize. Obviously, you knew that, but, like, I know people are screaming at the podcast right now. Yeah, so, okay. Please have some grace for Stephen and I here at 11 o'clock at night. Okay. Please, please, everybody. All right.

Anything I say now, I disavow tomorrow. Because if you disagree with it, if you agree with it, I stand by it. Yeah. Stephen, I know you wanted to talk about the tribal council and Rick blowing everything up. I mean, this was, I mean, Rick Devons is maybe the great tribal council performer of all time. Who is, I mean, there's a few, he's among greats. I don't want to like, you know, ranking is arbitrary and reductive, but he is very great. Yes.

And, um, no, I, this was just. I think you're really onto something. I think that Rick is really one of a kind in terms of being a survivor player who really is, he's the great showman. And he's somebody. And in talking with Kelly, it was a really interesting conversation about Rick and about how he plays the game and how that for the audience, he's so fun to watch. And for the audience that sits across from the players, the jury, he is also an incredible spectacle to watch. I do feel like that for the people that he is playing with, he does consistently irk them because I, I think, feel like at tribal council, he's always trying to score points and point out the hypocrisy of the

other players, often to his detriment, but he often has ways to wriggle out of it. But he loves setting the whole thing on fire and then pointing out where everybody is scrambling to, and then who's talking to whom in the scramble, and then looking back to the jury and to Jeff, Like, you see? You see, this is why this is proved my point. And it really does irk the other players. But I mean, I think we talk about those moments when the underdog calls out the top dogs and makes them scramble against each other as some of the big moments in Survivor

History. I mean, the three Amigos Tribal Council, you know, those moments when that person kind of like takes the stage and it's like, this person is saying that. This person is saying that. He's targeting you. She's targeting you. Yeah. You know, as a way of like forcing those different factions.

And I do think you're right that they're probably. all come together and still want to go down. Because I remember our three amigos debates from back in 2013. And I remember well that you did not think that that was a good idea when those guys were doing that then. Okay. So, okay. But this is my friend. It's great theater. It's great. It's great spectacle for the jury.

It's just the type of thing that the other players really do, I think, start to have some animosity. Now, I think that there's some synergy between the Aubrey eating the grub and Rick Devin's flipping the coin that there is like, that they did something crazy and it worked. And I think that it really garners a lot of goodwill. I'll say from Matthew in Survivor, the Amazon, Mateo, was kind of somebody who nobody really had like really positive feelings towards. But the day that he ate the giant disgusting grub and like, like just put it down his throat,

it was like, you know, he's a weirdo, but he's our weirdo. And so much of, yeah, yeah, go ahead. I feel like that with Rick Devons, they were ready to like carry him out of the tribal council on their shoulders after he put that million dollars on the board. And so I think he did really earn himself a lot of the, and in the same way that all. had so much fun at the auction. I do feel like that Rick really did change the narrative around himself tonight. Yeah.

And so much of like, you know, how you're performing in the tribe is just based on vibes, really. You know, it really is based on who wants to, you know, who was excited about working with you versus like mad at somebody else. But I also, I mean, you know, from Rick's perspective, nobody wants to work with him. His backs against the wall. Everyone's saying he's an easy vote. Yeah.

Why not have some fun? Why not try to cause some chaos and the hopes that something. sticks. But I think it's an interesting turn from at the start of the episode, it was classic Rick Devons. Everybody, like, Rick Devons doing Rick Devon's things to by the end of the episode, it's like classic Rick Devin's. Rick Devons doing Rick Devin's things.

Like, he really did just like, he's exactly the same, but the, like, the branding around being Rick Devons really did change. Yeah. It had a brand refresh. Same item, new packaging. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that people really came around to maybe not Joe, but that... That was a very

funny moment. It might screenshot at that too, where everyone leaps to their feet when Rick hits the coin and Joe's sitting there. Yeah. And I think it's also fun that Joe really came alive talking about how much he doesn't like Rick Devons where Joe really showed his personality like in a fun way

last week talking about how much he can't stand Rick Devin's. So I think it's just been really fun to get to see all these character moments from everybody. And for Rick, just what a night for him where I think that you'll never forget Rick Devin's flipping the coin. What a great moment for him and his family. I'm sure, as a boy dad, I'm sure it meant so much for his son, Jack, to watch all this. Shout out to Becca Devons also, who gets mentioned in the episode as well. So just a huge, huge night for the Devons family. Yeah.

Should the winner tip out Rick Devons? Like, do you have to like buy Rick Devons? Yeah. Like, what's a nice gift for like you win the million dollars? Rick Devon, Rick Devons doubled it for you. you. Well, what's the gift for Rick Devin's? I would try to get him like a facsimile of the coin, like a nice facsimile of the coin. You know, here's like a coin.

No. Maybe the coin itself. Coin itself. Ask Jimmy. Yeah. You got to do something, right? Something kind of, like, like, like, something that's like, you know, that represents the moment. Because that's what's, that's what the memory, the core of the memory is.

You know, you sort of like, you win at the blackjack table. You're supposed to tip the dealer. Yeah. Yeah. Do you do something? Does she have to chip to Jimmy? I don't think it's tip Mr. Beast. I think you just like and subscribe. I think that smash like and subscribe.

I think then that's good. Yeah. He'll say, Rick Davids, your money's no good here. But I'm not even belabor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm not going to belabor it. Fishing for Rick Devons.

I thought that this was a great episode for him. He's certainly made the move of the episode, flipping the coin, getting heads, calling the beast, you know? Well, I guess, no? No, I go ahead. Okay. You know, maybe that's smart, right? A strategic move to call the, the beast?

You know, you think that Mr. Beast. I'll say it was a Balzy move for Rick Debbins to like, it's like, all right, Rick, we got the Beast logo and the Survivor logo. Like, well, I'm going to take the Beast. My son would want that. Don't get mad at him if I don't get it. But I think that, like, that was really Balzy in front of Jeff to pick the Beast logo. Yeah, but you know, he knows, listen,

the next phase of his reality TV career is Beast Games. Yeah. By the way, I didn't announce that who's coming up on the podcast, but Jesse Lopez is going to be here with me. He's coming over tomorrow, and he's coming to the studio of Jesse Lopez of Beast Games season two. And of course, Jesse's son, Geo, won $500,000 on the Mr. Beast YouTube channel. Wow.

Pretty good. Pretty good. So we'll hear what Jesse has to say about all that. And then Bryce Isaiah is also going to be on the podcast this week. So a big episode here for a big week of podcasting after the two-hour episode. Stephen, should we take a couple questions tonight? Yeah. Let's bring it back old time safe.

Let's get some questions in there. For many, many years, Stephen and I were live, live. after the episodes and we took when we were younger men when we were when we were younger and we many times are able to record the know-at-alls earlier in the day on wednesday and then we air it live for you everybody uh and and sometimes i'm in bed i'm gonna go to oh i'm definitely in i'm always in bed yeah uh but i'll be in the live chat every uh every now and then but we're live live here tonight. And, you know, it's also going to be the last time that Stephen and I are able to be here

together with you for, so, uh, is that, no, no, you know, am I wrong about this? No, there's going to be a week in between. Uh, my math is wrong. Because, uh, one week from tonight, I can tell you, we are going, I'm going to be in New York City for the biggest live show we've ever done here on our HAP. and look who I'm bringing with me. Whoa, look at that. Yes, Parvety Shallow and the Captain of Sports, Danielle D. Lorenzo Nath is going to,

we're bringing the show from the West Coast to the East Coast. We had so much fun in California that they're coming on out to see us at the biggest live podcast. I think this might be the biggest civilian gathering of Survivor viewers ever. on next Wednesday night at Town Hall in New York City. So that's going to be one week from tonight. Stephen will have a know-it-alls for you on Wednesday. And then we will have the live show from New York City coming up on Thursday here on RHAP. But then we'll be together.

We'll be together for the week after that. And then I will be going out to the finale. the finale. Oh, that's exciting. Very exciting. That's very exciting. Yeah. So.

Obnobing with the glitterati. I'm knobbing with the glitterati. All right. Let's see. Some questions from the listeners. Do you have any good questions? Okay. Do we think Mr. Beast was edited back after the Zach Brown backlash?

No. I think really? First of all, I think they did a really good job with him. He was there. He was a presence. He wasn't like in your visit. I mean, I heard a rumor that they did. I don't think it's crazy that that had happened.

Why do you think that's? You think that, like, Mr. Beast was, like, talking a lot more and they, and they showed less of him? Maybe he had a confessional from him. Like, yeah, why are you here? You know, like, I don't think it's crazy, no? I think that Zach Brown had confessionals because he was off doing stuff without the survivors. There might have been a whole segment with Mr. Beast, but he was, like, peaceful. I mean, this was a two-hour episode.

I don't think they really edited out a lot of Mr. Beast content. But to your point, like, there was very little, like, stuff for him to do. This was a very jam-packed episode. There was, like, you know, in addition to the strategy session, there was the auction. So there was a lot going on. So yeah, he was not off doing other random stuff. So maybe there wasn't really any room for him to.

Yeah, Sarah, cupcakes wants to know. Why was there no alcohol at the Survivor auction? Yeah, is that a new policy here? Has there not been? When was the last time there was alcohol? I mean, I know we had. We had the margaritas in Survivor 47. Right.

Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, the margarita curse really became a thing in the 40s. after Kelly Nalbandian, and then it was also from Sierra on Survivor 47, right? I wonder if they didn't want to get people like margaritas and then ask them to go to a balance challenge. Well, that would be kind of crappy. Yeah, that would have.

Dangerous fun. Isn't that what we want? Yeah, dangerous fun. All right. Nick Town will snow is Rizgod old enough to drink. You know, this is the thing. And people say, you guys, you got to do the show live. You need to get questions from the audience because we got to get questions from the audience.

And so we could answer, is Rizzo old enough to drink? We haven't talked about Rizzo, though. Rizzo had a really good line in this episode that I really like, if you want a plan to happen, you make it happen. I really like that. Like, you know, like, that's, it's like, if you had, they had been the inventors of Facebook, they would have invented Facebook, you know, from the social network. Oh, yes.

Like, yeah, yeah. But, but, uh, Rizzo looks dangerously thin. Can we talk about that? Like, Rizzle looks real thin. Yeah. Yeah, he's getting like, again, we, I guess we shouldn't talk about people's bodies, but, uh, the, uh, two, two seasons in a row of very chiseled jawline, though, clavicular, getting jealous of the ligand.

It's not like necessarily his, like, the bone structure, impeccable. But it's like, eyes like hollow. Like he looks like he's been starving for two months, which is basically what's been happening. Well, it was a good thing.

He got cookies. Maybe is that why Aubrey picked him? Oh, yeah. That's definitely why Aubrey picked him. He also got a chicken. He got like the healthy dinner of like, you'll get chicken breast and a protein shake.

Yeah. There you go. Those, I couldn't believe that the healthy items were so hot. Like, like the veggie plate was very much desired. You know? A lot of crackers.

Yeah. Who wanted the cracker plate? All the, yeah. I can't believe they wanted vegetables. Like, I do not want. Give me the sweets. Mm-hmm. Okay.

All right. What auction item would you have wanted, Stephen? The chocolate chip cookies. Chocolate chip cookies. Yeah, what was the whole cake that Ozzie had? I'd like to know more about the cake. Oh, yeah. They just kind of gave us a real snapshot.

And I've been eating a bite of a giant cake. I mean, after he already had the fried chicken. Yeah. Yeah. Ozzy might have won the auction. I will say there was something interesting with the, they called it the fall on the sword item, which I thought the branding was a little, a little bit of a stretch there on the fall on the sword item for. Okay.

So Jonathan had to pick a box and then Ozzy got, what was in the other box? Ozzy got fried chicken. Jonathan had to eat the disgusting, boiled sea sloth. And then he couldn't even get to eat the, like, it wasn't like that he got to share the fried chicken with Jonathan afterwards. And did any part of that lead to Jonathan saying like, you know who I want to vote out? Us. Yeah. Pat it with this guy.

He ate the fried chicken. Didn't he eat his disgusting sea slug. Oh, yeah. I don't think so. You know what, though? I, so Jonathan picked. Do you think Jonathan was picking to get the good? choice or the bad choice?

I think he was trying to get the good choice for himself? I think so. Why not? Because the two tops, the two like container tops, one was very like chaotic and that was what the safe choice was under. And I was like, I was thinking like, they're not going to put the chaotic choice under the chaotic top.

But Jonathan picked like the very placid top. And that was the chaos choice. You know, the sea slugs. I think, so I wondered like, is he not thinking through the tops enough? Or do you think, I couldn't really tell him that we wear the strategy. he was.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm not going to weigh in on the tops. Brandon Donlin wants to say, Shaheen can sing the grilled chicken and broccoli song. Okay, there we go. Okay. All right.

Oh, this is an interesting question. Matt Fars, did nobody repeatedly bidding against Surrey reveal the hierarchy? Were people afraid to outbid Surrey at the auction? Oh, that's funny. I didn't even notice that. Is that a thing? I don't know.

I feel like that Surrey was going for a lot of things that nobody else really cared about. Like the blanket. Right. The mouthwash. Blanket is invaluable, though. I mean, blanket is going to serve.

I guess they only have like a week left on the show, right? Well, Surrey on Big Brother famously was all about having the bathrobe. Oh. So I mean, like comfort at night. I was very big for me on Survivor, too. Like I, that's, yeah, that's really important.

Good night's sleep. That's everything is downstream of a good night's sleep. Okay. And this is an interesting question going back to what you were talking about earlier. Stephen of. Sirie has so many allies. How long can Surrey protect Ozzie or will this turn on the Wizard of Oz alliance? Okay.

So, Surrey has so many different allies. How do you foresee Surrey wanting to whittle this down? Well, I think the whittling, as described, kind of makes a lot of sense, right? Just the Will Wall strategy. you get Emily out then probably you know go back

the other direction and look at it's a little bit of a genga games okay all right is Emily you could take out

and and and Rick too I think he gets a little dicey I think I think that Jonathan so now

if you get it down to Rizzo and Joe well now is Tiffany going to be like hey

but Joe's my person yeah no she's not going to say that I don't know maybe she'll say that

she's not going to put up too much of a fight fight for Joe is she I think that Tiffany would be like, well, why not Rizzo? Yeah, right. You know, I think nobody's, nobody's threatened by Rizzo, though. I think that's like that, you know, nobody's worried about Rizzo.

It does start to get dicey when it gets down to, like, you know, around six is when I think it's going to start to be a problem. I think that she has a few more rounds where she's able to just do what she wants. But I do think that there will be a point where there could be a couple of people that say, But wait, hold on. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Anything else on your mind, Steven? No. As you can see, I'm like losing the capacity for speech. All right. Let's just talk about what else is coming up. Big week we're heading into, mentioned it at the top of the show. The Tribe and I have spoken.

Really, the full court press is on now. We are less than a week until the tribe and I have spoken. hits bookstores, and if you haven't done so yet, Rob has abook.com. Of course, we have the pre-order bonus digital chapter of the ultimate rights of passage, a tribute to all 751 people who have ever played U.S. Survivor, and that will be yours. Go to Robbis website.com slash pre-order perks to get signed up once you pre-order at rob as a book.com. And then Stephen and I are going to be together this weekend in Washington, D.C. Come on out and see us at the Miracle Theater at the East City Bookshop. Tickets are available at rob as a website.com slash events. And then,

are all the other places sold out? Let me see. He's saying no, no, they're not. Okay. Okay. Sam's saying they're not, not everything else is sold out yet. Go to robes website.com slash events for that. Okay. Next Wednesday night, a couple tickets are still available for the live show. I hope to see you there. And then I mentioned Jesse and Bryce are coming into the podcast this week. Of course, check out everything else going on in our Survivor podcast feed at we know survivor.

com. I'll be back taking your questions on Friday afternoon at 3 p.m. Eastern for the patrons of Rob has a podcast. including also Club Condo, special club condo coming up Monday night with Chappelle. And then, Stephen, oh, yeah. Let me put on my escape hat. All my merch.

I've got a whole merch. Yeah, you're looking very stylish, right? Yes, yes. This is part of your traders' style. See, what's this? What's about the limited edition surf dogs merch? Yeah. So Brian Malloy, whom you know very well,

had this idea. And he was like, let's just do like a one-off. Let's do a fun shirt. Let's just sell it for a week. And if anyone wants it, they can buy it. And then we'll make it. So that's what we did. I thought it was a really funny idea.

And so we four week ending tomorrow on April 30th, until then, you can buy a surf dog shirt celebrating the dogs of summer. There's the logo this summer. Our reality TV is going to the dogs. It's a part of escape. It's a show within a book from escape. But it's a go to surfdog or sorry, surfdogs. dot shop? Is there a website? I think it's surfdogs.

Dot shop to purchase your shirt and one more day and then that won't be possible anymore. Okay. It's just for a week. Fun night on Chat BCC. Check it out everything that the alumni are saying Sam Moore

said I cracked him up on chat BCC with a comment tonight. So check that out. Go to Rob's website.com slash VIP chat. There you go. All right.

Am I pulling off the escape hat? I think you should keep it on forever. Keep it on forever. I'll sleep in it tonight. Yeah. A little surprise for the misses tonight. Hey, getting into bed. I'm wearing the escape hat and nothing else.

Do you figure you pull that off? Wow. Wow. That's like every person's fantasy. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. All right.

Steven, anything else on your mind? No, this was a pleasure. Yeah, I'm very not sure I'm told me. I feel like I did it. Some tribal councils were like, what am I saying? Look, Stephen, a trooper tonight to come back in and just got off a plane

and we had so much survivor excitement to talk about. I'll talk with Stephanie LaGroza on the exit interview tomorrow. Okay. Find out. Is Stephanie Salty with Jonathan for throwing that plan out there. What's going on with her and Surrey and so much more.

Thank you so much for joining us here live after the episode. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye. Bye. We all love Survivor. And in my first ever book, The Tribe and I have spoken, I'll tell you how this little show evolved from that juggernaut first season on the beaches of Borneo

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