RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 11

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 11 Survivor experts Stephen Fishbach and Gabby Pascuzzi break down all the twists, strategy, and raw emotion from the latest episode of Survivor. This installment of Know-It-Alls digs into Survivor’s unpredictable gameplay with two back-to-back Tribal Councils that leave alliances shattered and contenders scrambling. Right out of the gate, Stephen and Gabby explore the shockwaves felt after Emily and Ozzy’s dramatic exits, spotlighting the risky power broker twist and the dangers of relying on “easy” votes. Know-It-Alls is back as Stephen welcomes Gabby to co-host in place of Rob Cesternino, who’s busy hobnobbing in New York. Together, they analyze the consequences of the split Tribal Council that forced players to rely on luck as much as strategy. Gabby shares how losing Emily changes the game’s momentum, while Stephen unpacks the fallout from Ozzy’s blindsiding—especially after Ozzy spills his entire endgame plan to Aubry, not knowing she’ll use it against him. Along the way, they discuss: – The impact and fairness of the split Tribal Council and new power broker advantage – Cirie’s use of her extra vote to dodge an idol play and keep Tiffany loyal – Rick Devens’ idol reveal and signature reaction that set the camp abuzz – Rizo’s survival strategy when his closest alliance is put to the test – Ozzy’s emotional exit after trusting the wrong people and ignoring his own dream as a warning With returning players vulnerable to twists, rivals playing multiple advantages, and social trust shaking at every turn, Stephen and Gabby question whether Cirie is now twist-screwed or if her game still has life left. Will Rizo’s decision to betray his alliance catch up with him? Can the remaining power players navigate the new cracks or will another “easy” vote backfire? Tune in for the latest on idol plays, alliance breakdowns, and the power of emotional Survivor exits! Chapters: 0:00 Opening: Breaking Down Survivor Vote 2:11 Gabby Reflects on Split Tribal Twist 4:04 Full Scoop Analogy: Split Tribals 6:16 Idol Code Word Theory Debated 7:17 Two Advantages Played Perfectly 8:08 Emily’s Strategic Exit Analyzed 9:46 Could Cirie Have Flipped Vote? 11:45 Rick Devens Idol Play Praised 13:45 Aubry and Cirie’s Extra Vote Irony 15:51 Rick Celebrates With Iconic Dance 16:33 Joe Critiques Rick’s Tribal Moves 20:45 Jonathan Wins Power Broker Advantage 22:45 Does Split Tribal Hurt Cirie’s Game? 24:07 Ozzy Shares His Final Two Plan 28:22 Aubry Exposes Ozzy’s Game Details 32:01 Should Rizo Have Warned Ozzy? 35:19 Emotional Ozzy Exit and Legacy 41:01 Ozzy’s Dream Prophetically Fulfilled 44:19 Billie Eilish Idol: Celebrity Reaction 49:00 Fishy Award: Aubry vs Jonathan Debate 55:13 Gabby Discusses Ozzy’s Father Moment To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com To order Stephen’s novel Escape!, visit stephenfishbach.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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At all Surviving no at all Yes, that's right We are here after a back-to-back episode, or about one episode, but back-to-back tribal councils Don't Stephen, no Rob, Stephen and Gabby. Rob is off hobnobbing with the Glitterati in New York City.

Some insane event. He has something like 1,400 people, like the biggest R-HAP event ever, like potentially the biggest gathering ever of Survivor fans in one place. And of course, Rob is chasing those highs of hobnaving instead of holding it down with the Potorati. But I am here to promote the tribe has spoken and speak to. The legendary, the brilliant. Gabby Pascuzzi. Welcome, Gabby.

Hello, Stephen. It's an honor to be here. I don't know about legendary, but I am honored to take the place of our podfather. But really, I'm taking your place and you're taking his place. I don't know. I'm happy to be here. I guess legendary.

I mean, in the sense that I wasn't sure you really exist. I've always thought of you as some sort of, you know, half real. Mythical. Yeah. We've met in person. Arthur, maybe there was a historical basis, but were you real? Thank you so much for being here today. What an episode to talk about, so much to break down.

Gabby, how are you? I'm great. I am wrapping up my semester of my PhD, hopefully getting to the end soon, but thrilled to be punctuating every Wednesday of my PhD journey with this amazing season of Survivor. I thought this episode was a great one. Yeah, punctuation was an exclamation point, which is something about punctuation mark that I love.

Let's get into it here. First of all, sad to have you on not talking about Christian, but I know you are on stage doing some hobnobbing of your own in Toronto, getting to break down the Jimmy Fallon of it all. But tonight we are not a non-celebrity edition, but plenty to complain about two in terms of twists. We have a split. tribal council, two people going home.

The headline of the night is that Emily Flippin goes home and Ozzie goes home. Gabby, how did you feel about it all? Like, give me, give me your rough, give me your rough overbue. We'll get into the specifics, but like, where are you on this split tribal over? I, in general, I'm not a big fan of the split tribals because I feel like we do all this, we gain all this momentum to see how these dynamics are going to play out in the bigger tribe, the bigger merge tribe, and then we just split it in half randomly, and then the dynamics don't always come to bear because you could be in a group with completely random people. And so that sometimes

takes the wind out of me. But despite that, I actually think we got some interesting strategizing in both of the mini tribal councils, full-sized, I guess. I don't know. It's sort of like when you ask for an ice cream scoop. Full ice cream scoop, two different flavors in the scoop. So one scoop, you can do that? Just like one scoop with two flavors and one scoop? Wow, I didn't know that. Some places allow you. Some force you to get two scoops. And it's like, well, I don't want to pay for two scoops. I want one scoop, half a scoop each flavor. So half scoop, different flavors, full scoop tribal council. That's what I'm going to call this. I'm sure that analogy will resonate. Jeff would have loved that. I would have gone over. Great. I actually thought we got some really

interesting strategizing and the dynamics that I was talking about usually not being able to come to bear in this in these split tribals actually in an interesting way sort of did and I'm thinking about the Surrey and Ozzie and Rizzo of it all like there actually was a very interesting dynamic between the three of them because they were split up yeah it was super interesting you're right I mean first of all I did not I don't like the split I don't like it nine, I think this is such an action-packed season. There's like really interesting factions. The pleasure, the greatest pleasure

of the season for me, well, other than watching Rick Devonsburg's magic, is watching Surrey Fields or her magic and every single week kind of like take these new threats and diffuse them. I said last week, I was worried that this was catching up to her, that she had eliminated so many of her allies that now like the heat was

going to be on. I was excited to see her do it again. And I think she could have done it again to save Ozzy, but we don't really get the chance to find out, you know, and I think that just kind of sucks. Like, and there was like interesting strategy. You're right. It wasn't just a pile on of Aubrey, which I think would have felt worse. Like, oh, Aubrey just swapped

to the wrong group and then she's out. But I think it sucks that like there's all these dynamics built. You spend a month or I guess three weeks, you know, kind of like layering in your plans and building alliances to protect you. And then like, you draw the wrong colored rock. And up, sorry for you, the game is over.

I don't like that. I did think both of the tribal councils were really interesting. And I really actually loved the power broker twist. I thought that was super fun. I liked Jonathan. And of course, I'm a little more pro-john than others, but I like Jonathan going,

the idea that Jonathan was going back and forth between the two camps. I was kind of hoping that, like, we learned at the start of the episode that Surrey had given Ozzy a code word. Right. Like to activate the idol. And I was kind of like hoping that she would like,

slip it in somehow. Like, like, pull Jonathan over and just be like, Just tell Ozzy, you know, just tell Ozzy tree top, you know, like, or like, whatever it is. What do you think the code word was for the idol? I had the same thought. I was like, that would be so slick if she could. Maybe they made it something really obscure that she couldn't pop it in.

Like maybe it's like pineapple or. It had to be something that she could drop it at tribal and not like raise suspicion because that was like the whole point. That's true. But unique enough that you wouldn't be saying it in everyday speech by accident. Yeah. Yeah. But then how could she get Jonathan?

than to say it's like, oh, go tell Ozzy and then she says this weird phrase. Yeah, yeah. You should just talk to Ozzie about like what his favorite toppings on pizza are. You distract him and then he says pineapple. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's very funny. I would love, yeah. So, bummed that that didn't happen, but we had a really fun travel council with, I'm trying to like, with Rick and Surrey where two advantages were played perfectly. You love to see it. You love everyone like

taking their tools and using them perfectly. And, like, I mean, very sad to see Emily go. Let's start with that tribal council because it was first. And I think there's a little bit more meat on the bone of the other one. Because it seemed like this tribal council, that first tribal council, was pretty cut and dry where you, the swap had these two very clear factions. You had Tiffany and Surrey who were together. And you had Rick and Emily who were together.

And then Jonathan wants to get Rick out. So that group has the numbers. And then do you think there's any world? Was it right? Let's just start at the beginning of this. Was it right for Rick and Emily to try to go for Surrey? Is that the move here? Yeah.

I think that they did a great job. Despite it not working out for Emily, I think, and we don't know if they really bought the whole fake plan, but like I wanted to start up by saying that I'm also sad Emily's gone. I think she had a great night, honestly, and ended up looking like as such a strong and strategic survivor player, even in her own boot episode. She said she wanted to not play passively like on her last elimination. And she didn't.

She really thought of these multi, multi-layered plans. and I think it was a good play. And if Surrey had not had an extra vote, it appears that it might have worked. And I think, you know, they stuck together. Yes, maybe they could have turned on each other, but they probably knew that their alliance was worth more than turning on each other

and then just maybe going home the next time anyway, like swinging big. So I think they made the right decision. It just didn't work out for them this time. Is there any world where they could have convinced Surrey to vote out Tiffany? Like, is that ever happening? Because, like, you know, Rick and Surrey and Emily were part of the CELA 4, right? Like, and in fact, some of the animus there is because Surrey turned on Christian and they feel like she violated that. But like, they started the game together and they were in an alliance from the jump.

Like, is there a world where they're looking at these numbers and saying, you know, let's go for Tiffany here? I think it would be a hard sell. it seems to us that certain Tiffany are closed. I don't know how it seems to them. But I think Surrey would just go ahead right away and tell Tiffany and then she'd be like, oh yeah, for sure we got to get them gone because the feeling around Rick and Emily is like, they're too unpredictable, they're chaotic, they're going to try everything. And so that would just be even more evidence, like, oh, they really are trying everything.

But maybe there's like a very out there idea where if they allow Sarie to not look like she was going for Tiffany. If they're like, listen, we'll go for Tiffany and you just vote in this way and we'll play an idol and Tiffany will go out and you don't ever have to have any blood on your hands. Like maybe they could have swung it that way. But I think Surrey is just too good of a player where she is not going to get tricked by you to vote out somebody that is better for her game. I think at this point Tiffany's better for her game than Rick and Emily. But it is a shame because they were working together before. It just seems like she's really bonded with Tiffany. Yeah. And also like from Surrey's perspective, you know,

Tiffany is someone who doesn't have a lot of other options, right? I mean, Tiffany, we do see Tiffany working with Joe, but otherwise, like, Surrey and Tiffany are kind of joined now. We see them together all the time. And I'm sure that's more desirable from Surrey's perspective is to have someone who's, like, her pocket ally rather than having to, you know, deal with the chaos of, of Rick and Emily. Do you really think they bought it?

Like, I, like, if you and Christian were coming to me and saying, like, let's, you know, you were like, oh, yeah, I'm going to, like, vote out. Christian, let's all stack the votes on on me, or on, you know, Christian and like, he's going to play his idol on me. Like, that would be a little bit of a sell for me. Like, I don't know if I would buy that you guys had so completely turned on each other rather than that you were

trying to pull one over on it. Yeah, it's, it's, I don't know if they bought it either. Because we saw, like, either way, they were splitting their votes between Emily and Rick. And so it's kind of just like, which one are they putting more votes on? which one are they expecting it to bounce off of? I think they probably didn't buy it. And they were like, either way, one of them is going,

I'm going to use my extra boat. But it is a hard sell. But at the same time, you could believe it. This is why I think Emily did a good, a decent job where if she was like, listen, I know it's either me going home tonight or Rick, I'd rather be Rick, like help me be devious and backstab him. But yeah, I think that like the big brain thing on top of that, which to Emily's credit, she does say,

Sarri's not stupid. She can probably put together the puzzle pieces. And Sarri does. So it's not that it was a bad plan. It's just like I think that you'd have to be doing that against somebody a bit more naive than than Surrey. Maybe somebody a bit more hyper-focused. Maybe if they had done that on like Joe, if Joe was, you know, Joe's hyper-focused on Rick.

And that might have worked on Rick. Yeah. I love that idea. Yeah. So, but I mean, honestly, they did a good enough job for the plan to work in the edit for me. because I was like nail, I was like, you know, I didn't want Emily to go out, but I also like the idea that Surrey would go out blindsided with an extra vote in her pocket. I was I was writing her obituary like Surrey, how could you?

Like this is literally, this is literally the perfect place to play an extra vote where you are splitting. You just have like, you know, you don't have quite enough votes to split on two people. An idol is being played. You don't know in which one of them. Like you could not ask for a more picture perfect place to play the extra vote. and if Sarie didn't play, like I really thought there was a chance that she was going to hold on to it.

Did you, where were you? Did you buy it? What did you think was going to happen going into tribal council? I, I don't know if I thought that far ahead. Nowadays, I just watch and I go, woohoo.

Like, maybe I shouldn't be on the know-at-alls because I'm just like, I'm here for the ride. But no, I was hoping that she would use it. And I agree that she played it perfectly. The irony of it all is she got this vote from Ozzy. Yeah. This was Ozzy's extra vote that he gave her. But he couldn't use it anyway.

He was screwed anyway. He was screwed. But the thing is she manages to use the advantage correctly that she got from Ozzy and Ozzy does not use his advantage correctly. And so it just, I feel like the contrast there is like jumping a little bit. But like Ozzie and Surrey this whole time we've seen like Ceres the brains of the operation. And it's kind of just like epitomized in this moment where she men. to play this advantage exactly correctly while Ozzie doesn't clock the social dynamics going around him and he goes home with an advantage in his pocket.

It just really highlights their differences and strengths where Surrey is the Surrey behind the Surrey Brul of Oz. Oh, I like that. The serri brul, yeah. And I mean, not to not to be, you know, we should also talk about Rick who also manages to play his idol perfectly because I am pretty sure that. Rick is going home here if he doesn't play Zydle. Do you agree with that? Like if they, if they split and Rick didn't play his idol,

they're voting out Rick here, right? I agree. Yeah. I think Rick did an amazing job as well. He recognized that maybe he could get cocky and push it one more vote, but he correctly recognized like, they're not stupid. They're going to be coming for me and Emily.

And almost like both of them being on the same tribe forces his hand in a way where he's like, I have to play it, whether on himself or on Emily, right? but it's like, they've got to think, yeah, obviously they're splitting bows between us. I've got to play it in some form or another. And maybe that gets the target off of him or maybe it opens him up. But either way, he will now have survived two extra tribal councils than he initially thought that he would, right?

That he was going to go home last time with Mr. Bees. And then he was safe for that one. And now he's safe for this one from the idol that he got last time. So I feel like, you know, Rick is doing Rick Devon's things. and he's he's great. Like also, it just has to say, I loved the,

the various shots of Rick we got this. Celebrating. It was so good. He's dancing. He's like putting out a little performance. He's so funny. He's like, I loved him on the rocks like spread leg with his arms out.

Like that was, that's my new screensaver. Like it was like he really, this was such a great episode for Rick. I felt like we saw so much of his personality. We saw like his joy and his goofiness. We saw. his strategic side.

And then we also saw a really heartfelt scene with Ozzy, which we'll get into in a minute. But on the contrary, we also saw the Joe of it all. And Joe was a little bit less goofy and joy-filled. Joe thought that it was inappropriate what Rick did. He's going around camp and telling everybody that it was really inappropriate what Rick did. What did Rick do that was inappropriate, though?

We never quite learned. I'm with Surrey when he was talking to her. And she's like, I don't know. I would say it was inappropriate. I think it's just Survivor. Presumably, they're not, I mean, does Joe just consider it inappropriate that Rick wasn't voted out? Like, I think Joe thinks, like, it's inappropriate for Rick to still be in this game. Yeah, yeah, that's what's inappropriate.

I think he, my earnest answers, I think he thinks it's inappropriate that Rick exposed everyone's plans at tribal council that he said, oh, so and so told me this, this and this. Why, I don't know. because as again, as Surrey said, we were about to vote him out, Joe. Right. It's Survivor. He was about to be eliminated.

He is like playing the game. But Joe does not like the idea of playing the game. He is opposed to the gameplay of it all. I'm not, I'm not clear on what Joe's, um, philosophy on Survivor is because he, I mean,

he did blindside someone tonight. So as Surrey said, this whole podcast just going to be. me, me quoting Surrey, he lives on Hypocracy Hill. It's a great podcast. Yeah, because also not for nothing, but Rick voted

with Emily on the revote, even knowing that the jig was up and Emily was going to get voted out. Rick still voted with her. So, you know, who here is the real honor and integrity alliance? You know, I feel like

Rick rode with his ally to the bitter end. Joe voted out his buddy Ozzy. Yeah. Actually, the Christian, Emily and Rick contingent

never turned on each other. Like we saw that, like we said earlier, Emily could have turned on Rick and actually just she was chosen

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whatever you were listening to to tell you that Twizzlers keep the fun going. Well, irony isn't my Forte, but twisty, chewy, yummy Twizzler sure is. So think of Twizzlers as a little palate cleanser for whatever's queued up, which, by the way, should be coming very soon. Like any second now. Okay, Twizzlers, time to keep the fun going. Do you think, what factor did Jonathan play? I mean, it's because it really felt like all of the sort of energy was on the other tribal council. Maybe we should have started talking about that.

I feel like if Rob were here, he would have like, let's start with like the big chaotic, chaotic crazy travel council. I like to work into it a little bit more. No, we went chronologically. It's all good. But what factor do you think Jonathan played on this tribal council? Yeah, a huge factor. I mean, this was a very powerful advantage to win, in my opinion. Because not only are you immune, you actually get to vote twice, and you are the only one that can go across between the two groups.

Like, it's a huge advantage. And by the way, one that, I mean, he did deserve to win it. But like that he almost didn't win when the immunity like. That was crazy. Tiffany. I mean, thank God that they had the replay, you know, which they didn't have like, you know, when he says that to her, obviously she doesn't can't watch the replay back. So, you know, that's why Jeff is saying to her like, are you okay with this?

Do you trust me? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I will say I, or no shade to Tiff, but actually as it was playing, I said, I was like, she doesn't have her foot up when the others do. Oh, wow. I actually noticed it, and I felt actually weird about her win. And not like, I was happy for her, but I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I just

witnessed kind of like a weird rule. I literally said this. And then when he called in the standards and practices, I was like, oh, shoot, they are very honor and integrity, survivor crew, honor and integrity. But, you know, a huge one to kind of have a. be off by seconds on because you asked me, you know, what role did Jonathan play? And I think it's a huge role. And so I think whoever was in that role, it's a huge role because you are essentially the swing vote on two separate tribal councils because they're even numbers. There's four people

in each group. Does having this like person be able to go back and forth, the power broker advantage? Does that mitigate the split a little bit for you? Yeah, it does. I think if they are going to do a twist like this where they break people up. There needs to be some sort of through line, some sort of thread that still makes it feel like we're in a merge, right? Like we're playing the individual part of Survivor still, not like two separate mini groups. Like when Rizzo said, oh, this is like two final five votes. Jeff actually said, oh, I didn't think of it that way. It's like, come on, you didn't think of that? Like, it is like two smaller votes. So I definitely think having someone be the through line and be able to go back and forth

added a level of intrigue and actually made what was very frustrating to me as well, which you alluded to earlier, is like, oh, now we couldn't see Ceri try to work her magic with saving Ozzie and stuff like that. But having Jonathan be there salvaged it a tiny bit because she was able actually to tell Jonathan to convince Joe that they should tell. Rizzo to loop Rizzo in because Ceree's thinking if Rizzo knows then maybe he can tip Ozzy off. Obviously, he didn't. We can talk about that. But I think at least I felt a little bit better that it wasn't like they were completely

isolated because there still could be information passed through. And I actually think if they keep this twist in, there's a big evolution of strategy that could happen here in terms of how you use that middle person or how that middle person plays it. Yeah, I agree. I thought this was a really, I mean, again, like I, I, do not love the split. But I thought, if we're going to have to split, this is a very fun way to make it a little more interesting,

where there's someone going back and forth. They're voting twice, so they have a huge amount of power. But they also have this sort of like, they're trying to like navigate, you know, navigate what's going on between both and also thinking of like, how do I create my ideal final seven on the other side of this?

And I'm like, well, we should talk about that towards the end of this podcast. Like, you know, did Jonathan, like, in terms of like the picture, painting for himself. Like does it, does it add up?

Like is it was, was he doing something cohesive or were these two kind of like individually distinct decisions? That said, if this ends up ruining Ceres game, which it kind of looks like it might, because like Ozzie is literally says, I want to go to the end with Ceri.

He's the one person out there who probably thinks this, right? Right. And like, Ozzie who believes he is on track to win this game and is yet choosing a path that's guaranteed a lot, guaranteed loss, you know? Um,

so I don't feel too bad about Ozzie, here because he's basically said like I'm signing up to lose but I do feel like there's a world where this is the sort of downfall of Surrey's game and is that if that's the case like is Surrey swap screwed once again like or or not swap screwed I guess but you know

Advantage screwed is she kind of like twist twist twist screwed once again? I think it's too too early and too too far away to to know that but well honestly I'm going to say no like yes it's frustrating that she couldn't work

to save her ally. But as I pointed out, I think she did the best that she could do, trying to get the message to Rizzo. And also, her ally made a huge mistake. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think she could have, I think she could have walked it back. I agree with you, but I think she could have walked back. I also don't think you would have done that. But anyway, we should, well, we'll also like,

yeah, I don't know. Let's talk about that other tribal council because that I do think was really interesting. There was a lot that, went into this. So we see this group of Ozzy, Rizzo, Joe, and then Jonathan, and then Aubrey. And everything looks like Aubrey is just going to go home here. But Jonathan already wants to take out Ozzy. Like he's already said, like, we need to get Ozzy out of this game.

And then you have Aubrey, who sees an opportunity. You want to talk through Ozzy's choice here to divulge his whole game to Aubrey? Was that, was that a good choice on Ozzie's part? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say that is hubris. That is, and by the way,

if you are going to do jury management and talk to someone about essentially what your end game plan is and why you should win, you better be playing the idol that night. Oh yeah. You better be sitting there. Like, you better be surviving.

That is, that is one of the basic errors that you can make on Survivor is assuming that someone else is going to be fine with going home and and letting you win. Like it's a very bizarre kind of short-sighted like like egocentric way of viewing things where it's like, oh man, I'm sorry, Aubrey, but you know what? I really want to win. Yeah. What the hell you think after the prize money just went up to $2 million that Aubrey doesn't

want to win like everyone wants to win. Or as you commented, you know, one million dollars. That's still a lot of money. Still a lot of money. Yeah. Still a lot of money. So yeah, I mean, like, I don't feel like there's any, any example ever. Because even if you know you're going to be there, even if you're playing 16 idols that

night, you know, just in case there's an idol nullifier out there. It's still just insulting to the person you're talking about. And we've seen a lot of people, their games just, you know, we saw Andy do that with Rachel. Yes. It ended Andy's game. We saw Joe do it with Mary. where Joe and Mary, like,

it ends Joe's relationship with Mary because it's like, insulting to that person that all they are to you is like a jury vote. It's like, it's really like removes them from the game before they're even out of the game. You're going to have time to make your case. But like doing it before they're gone is really like,

it's any kind of like lights of fire. I have to say, this happened to me on token chains where Debbie Beebe came up to me and was like, you know, I was like, it was the merge and we were getting to know each other. And she was, and I was saying how wonderful it was to meet everybody.

And she was like, yeah. you know, it's really important for you get to know people because you're going to be on the jury. And I was like, F you, Debbie, you're going to be on the freaking jury. But it really like, it honestly was one of those moments where I was like, F this. I'm not playing this game. And I think that that is, you know, it sounds like it's kind of irrelevant, but I think that kind of like motivating moment of like being dismissed can really just like activate you

to be like, I'm going to take charge right now. And we see that from Aubrey. Right away. And it's not just, right, because it's not just. that he was, I agree, it's insulting, it's dismissive to say, here's why I think I'm going to win. He didn't just say, when I'm sitting there in the final three, I really hope you vote for me. He actually gave tangible information in the game that is currently ongoing. It's still, the tribal council hasn't happened yet. The game is still live. The game is a foot.

And you're telling her, Saria's an extra vote. I have a final two with her. Like, I don't know if he, like, got blindness from the fact that he's not on the same beach as Surrey, because certainly, like, that's not a thing that you do. If you're on the same beach with your ally, you're not telling somebody who's going home tonight their information. And I almost feel like, oh, God, it was like the minute he got separated from Surrey, he started making all of these tactical errors. He was no longer cerebral, Ozzy.

He was just broll. He even said he didn't. not want to go to the end with Rizzo. He specifically said that. Now, we don't know if that was a lie, but given that everything else he said is the truth, you know, that does give Aubrey ammunition that she can take right over to Rizzo, which is what she does. Which is exactly what she does. It's such a strange thing to give information that very, that basically no one in the game knows, except, you know, Rizzo knows. And I don't know if we got out about the extra boat. But regardless, you know, the thing that's supposed to be very secret to give that information,

not just to anyone outside of your alliance, but to the actual target who is going home tonight is like a mind-boggling move. And obviously he had a lot of trust in the others that were there. Rizzo, which I understand because they have the secret alliance of the Sir Rizzovaz and Joe, who he was on CELA with. But right, I do think a lot of it comes down to essentially underestimating Aubrey.

Yeah. But ultimately, honestly, though, Ozzy was right to trust his alliance because Aubrey makes her campaign. She goes to Joe. She says these things. She goes to Rizzo. The vote doesn't change, right? Like, it's still Aubrey until Jonathan comes over. And then

Jonathan makes this pitch to Joe. And he's like, Joe still like, no. He's like, no, the vote is Aubrey. Like, obviously the vote is Aubrey. Jonathan goes back to Surrey. So he's like, bring in Rizzo, thinking that this is going to save Ozzie. But actually, ironically, I think this is what condemns Ozzie, because I think this is where the vote flips because Joe was not budging, it seemed like. And until Rizzo is brought in and agrees to it, that's when the vote seems to move.

Interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't thought about the fact of was Joe going to do it regardless of whether Rizzo was in or not? I wasn't sure if it was just Joe wanted Rizzo to know, but I think you're actually right that Joe maybe doesn't feel good about doing it unless essentially everybody is in on it. So that's really interesting. I hadn't thought about that,

that it was this unintended backfiring of Surrey trying to bring Rizzo in, thinking that he would save Ozzy and might have actually condemned him. I was curious what you thought about Rizzo's decision. to get rid of Ozzie and to not save him. Yeah. I mean, it's tricky because, I mean, Rizzo's being presented with two things, right? One is this pitch from Jonathan, which is like, hey, everybody wants this. Not just everybody, but like I've gotten the go ahead from Surrey and Tiffany, right? Like, Jonathan, I don't know if we saw him say that, but we have to assume he definitely said that because he said that to Joe.

Right? He said, like, hey, I have the blessing on this from Surrey and Tiffany over there. So Rizzo's hearing that from Jonathan. He doesn't have any way to check that. And whether or not he believes it, like, that's one thing he's hearing. And then he's also hearing from Aubrey, hey, like, Ozzy just is blabbing about all the stuff. She told about the extra vote. She, you know, and, you know, and then Jonathan's also like, hey, I want to do this. And like, it's just on you.

And if I am Rizzo here, like, I don't think it's crazy to just be like, well, I don't want to be the one guy to hold this up. I can't touch base with my allies over there. Ozzie's being super messy here. The longer Ozzy's in the game, the more attention there is on both idols, including my own idol, and everyone here is down with this plan. Rizzo's whole strategy has been to kind of play it low.

He would have to really step up and say, no, I'm keeping Ozzy, which would completely expose his alliance. And so I think this is the right call for Rizzo, given his strategy. But he just has no way to check all this info. Yeah. No, it's a tough one for him. And I thought about this a lot. Similar, similar lines as you were thinking. But I think I disagree on one point, which is that he doesn't, not that he has to be the only guy not doing it. He had an option to essentially secretly tell Ozzy do play or idol tonight. And he could act, they could agree that he's going to act like he didn't tell him Ozzy just got spooked. Right. And that might accomplish a good middle ground of like, keeping an ally around, but disarming him and still, you know, getting rid of somebody and not

getting any flack on his part. So I thought that was a possibility. I'm not saying that it was a bad move because I was thinking, okay, what are the benefits to Rizzo doing what he did in reality, which is getting Ozzy out? And I think a major benefit, although I wonder if there's a dark side to this, is that now he's the closest person to Ceri. Right. So like, and then if he's able to tell Surrey, listen, Ozzy blew his whole game up. And so it doesn't seem like, you know, that Rizzo is unreliable. And because that's sort of the darker side of Surrey might be like, what the hell, Rizzo? Why did you vote out?

Well, and he might really believe that he got to go ahead, you know, like maybe. Yeah. I feel like every single episode for the last few episodes has been like people coming for Ozzie and Surrey deflecting it. And so like, I've been thinking, I mean, I said last week, like, what, you know, how much is she going to have to destroy of her own game to protect Ozzie, which does sort of makes sense if we really believe that Ozzy truly was going to take her to the end. And she doesn't think Christian is.

Maybe she doesn't think Stephanie is. And so, and then both of those people have said they were not planning to take her to the end. So, you know, she correctly read the situation that, hey, I've got to preserve Ozzy here. He's like the one guy who can actually get me over to the finish line and he's planning on it. But, you know, if you're Rizzo and you're hearing like, hey, this is God, you know, the Godfather gave the go ahead for this hit. You can't be like, you know, like, you kind of don't want to like jeopardize everything. I mean, and, you know, maybe that's also why he didn't tip Ozzy off about it, you know, which was that like he thought that Surrey had given the okay.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So that is one of the interesting things about this power broker advantages that create. It's almost like a game of telephone. I mean, Jonathan also could have completely made things up, which like I was saying, if there's an evolution of the strategy here, they don't know if Surrey really gave the go ahead. Yeah, it's a tricky one for Rizzo, I think. but I think something revealing is that what he says to Ozzy as Ozzy leaves is he says, you said too much, bro. And I think that that might have been a major factor in his decision is like,

you're telling people about Surrey's advantages and about their alliance. Like now I can't trust you as an ally. And maybe again, even hearing, oh, your final two is with Surrey, not me. Yes. It's the final three now. That is the final three. And really is final four, right? So it's like they can't, he's probably not too worried about that.

Yeah. Maybe he's worried about sitting next to Shari. Like, honestly, maybe he's worried that Ozzy is actually considering taking Surrey to the end. Like, Rizzo has to know he can't beat Surrey in a final three. So maybe that factors into it, too.

Or he's like, oh, I didn't think we were like going all the way with this, with this trio. Like, obviously, you don't take Surrey to the final three. Let's talk about Ozzie's exit because there's a big difference between the way Emily goes out

and the way Ozzie goes out. What did you think of this moment? It was very emotional. But where, where, where, what do you, how did you feel? about it. I thought it was very emotional. It, it gave me chills, honestly. I love when somebody takes their exit from Survivor seriously, when they, when they show that they're upset. Because I think it's so easy and common. And I did this when I got eliminated to like laugh it off

and be like, oh my God, you guys got me because you were a little bit in shock. And I think I really respect and it's very chilling in a way to watch somebody. literally say, this hurts, guys. And nobody can know how this feels and I feel so betrayed. And I mean, he's an iconic survivor player. So it has that gravitas. It's not like a first time player who's like, oh, I feel betrayed. You can still feel really upset about that. But it's like knowing that this is probably the last time that we'll ever see Ozzie play and him may be thinking that in his own mind and feeling like he had the game, he was in a good place in the game,

going home with an idol, all these things that are going through his mind, and seeing him be upset was very human. And actually, I thought it was a very, the whole episode had, we saw very human side to Ozzy. And then I also just wanted to give Jeff props

because Jeff is such a pro as a host. He like knows when to let a moment linger, when to be silent, to let it simmer. And then, like, just at the right moment, he's like, snuffs his torch. Like, oh, it's just the perfect. It's so good. Like, it just felt like yummy survivor. What did you think?

Yeah. No, I mean, Gabby, if you went back out, would you, like, still knowing you're going home, are you going to be like, it's a TV show, I've got to be, you know, bring my, you know, ferocity, bring my hate, my anger. Or are you going to like play it off again? Like, you got me. Which way would you go out next time? It depends how you go out.

It depends how you go out. If you're blindsided, I feel like you have the right to be pissed. But I don't know. When you're in shock, I think a lot of people don't even know how they're reacting until they watch it back later. And they're like, I didn't remember doing any of that. So I think that's what makes it so like it was so earnest on the part of Azi. Like I don't act. I don't think he was acting or being over dramatic.

I think he was genuinely hurt and was like processing. Like he was slow to speak. He was he didn't, it wasn't like quick, you know, quips. It was like this was sinking in in real time. Yeah. And I mean, like, you know, more power to him for being able to articulate, you know, this is what makes him such a great reality TV character is that he can say you guys don't know how painful this is.

Like he's able to like articulate these things he's going through. And you could really feel just that pain and that betrayal. And I do think some of that was because he really thought that he was winning this game. Like he thought I'm in a great spot. He had like pulled this narrative to himself about how this time I'm different, this time I'm Oscar. And I really feel like he thought he believed that this was his game to win, which to me is like a very weird idea that you would come in like thinking like you were going to win this game. Especially like with the final nine, there's so much game to play. but I saw it a lot on people on second chance

second chances second chance but yeah second chance just the one I always say second chances but I think it's second chance it's just the one yeah yeah it was only Jeremy's second chance but you know where people I mean this was true of Wigglesworth

like she came into the game like believing that it was her destiny to win and maybe that's like a very animating power like that belief and maybe that's like a useful thing but I always thought it was wild, that level of, you know, hubris. You and I don't have that, right? That's the thing. I've noticed this, being in the survivor world, there are two types.

There's more than two types. It's helpful to give a bit of two types. There is a big contingent of people who get cast on this show, whether they're first timers or returning players, who genuinely believe that they are entitled to win the game and that they will win the game. and I actually have some jealousy of people like that. Like I'm like, wow, what a, like you said, animating force that can just propel you through this incredibly difficult thing like this,

this like delusion of your own power. I had basically the opposite. I was like, there's basically no way I'm going to win. What am I doing here? Yeah. And it harmed me when I played because I was underestimating myself and I was assuming that everybody thought, you know, X, Y, Z about me. And so, like, they're both like weird delusion, like a lack of self.

awareness in a way and you want to hit the middle zone where you're like let me not think about the end let me not make any assumptions let me just play the best i can play and try to get to the end because we've seen shocking people win in the end and we've seen fan favorites go home and i agree i think it's i think it's an absolutely wild thing to like be so certain that you're going to win i am equal parts jealous and like aghast at it because it there's so much game left. You can feel good about your chances, but it's like, that's an inside thought. RBC Training Ground has discovered potential in over 20,000 Canadian athletes and counting. Your story could be next. If you've got the drive, they'll help you find your path to the Olympics. Let's see what you've got.

Sign up for free at rbc trainingground.ca. Well, speaking of, you know, weird delusions, we have to talk about Ozzy's dream. which has been a powerful force in Survivor in the past as we, those of us who are, you know, fans of the show may remember in season 23, a dream led Ozzy to self-sacrifice and go to the exile or whatever was a redemption island where he took to win every duel. And that's what kept Cochran in the game, right?

Was this idea that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't even remember this, but I believe you. was that like, you know, Ozzy had a dream and woke up saying, like, I need to go to the, to the, uh, you know, redemption island. And then he like comes, wins every, like correctly, he wins every duel and comes back. And, um, that was, and here he had a dream where he was greeted by coach and Stephanie at Ponderosa and they say, why did you not play your, you know, why are you here? And they said, because I forgot to play my idol.

And then he wakes up thinking, like, I've got to play my idol. And then he doesn't. wild so that when when I saw that scene him talking about that I was like oh of course you know they always like to put in little foreshadowing but like there's no way like that exact scenario is going to happen I actually thought it was a weird foreshadowing for like Devons doing that or something like that it's like oh someone's going to go home with an idol in their pocket I can't believe that it was it was the person that had dreamed about it yeah it's very spooky I but obviously you know, I don't know. I study psychology. I don't know that much about dreams, the psychology of dreams. So don't take any of this as like hard science. But there is something there about your dreams are revealing your subconscious, you know, worries, your, your brain is processing things. So even if it's obviously he couldn't have known the future and known he should play it tonight, but his brain was obviously preparing him to think about, hey, think about when

you should play your idol. Don't go home with it in your pocket. It's, obviously something that's dressing him out. So it's just, it's too bad that he kind of got blindsided by what was supposed to be the easy vote. And you should always feel suspicious of anything that seems too easy. Well, I also think you're right that like part of the, what screwed him here was that maybe he would have played his idol if it were the full tribe together. But, you know, he's got this vote where he's like on this crazy stack group of everyone who

he perceives to be his allies. Rizzo, one of his best allies, Joe, a great ally. You know, Jonathan, who he obviously thinks is an ally, although Jonathan's been advocating to get Ozzy out for a while. And then you, with an obvious target, who's Aubrey, who's been outside of this? She's, you know, the middle.

So, you know, it's so straightforward seeming that you can understand why he kind of, like, loses sight of the danger. Right. But we also have to give credit here to Genevieve, who gave the Billy Eilish idol to Ozzy because he had been voted out with an idol before and

correctly intuit that he i mean Genevieve all time one of the all time games of survivor you know for her to have been in the pre-merge here so true i thought the same thing i was like jennavine was right and i wish she was still here because she was saying she was exactly right and we could have seen the billy is idyll work as it was intended by the way i listen i don't know if this is already been discussed on an RHP piece, but did you see that Billy Elish has now acknowledged the existence of the idol? Oh yeah. No, I have that to talk about. Let's talk about it now. Let's talk about it. So there's a video, if you haven't seen it, of Amy Poehler on her podcast interviewing Billy Elish. And does Billy Elish seem enthusiastic about the Billy Elish Immunity Idol? Nope.

How would you describe this interview? I would describe it as almost seeming as if she's mocking it, perhaps, this very real component of a game that, yes, we know it's a game, but that actually had consequences on like real people and that fans certainly have a lot of strong opinions in the hands of the fans, which apparently Billy Eilish was one of. So Amy Poehler asks Billy, oh, whoa, you had something on Survivor? You were a part of this season? And Billy laughs. at one point rolls her eyes and she's like, oh, yeah, I have an idol.

And she goes, and I wrote a letter. She does air quotes. She goes, I wrote a letter saying, here's the Billy Elish Idol, blah, blah, blah. First of all, she didn't call it by its full legal government name, the Billy Elish Boomerang Idol. Put some respect on it. No, the producers of Survivor would not have let that pass. If they were in the room, they would have been like, no, no, no, you're going to have to do that again. Do it again. Say the full name.

Yeah. And she, you know, mocks the fact that she wrote this letter that obviously she didn't write. But man, people were not happy about that. Can I defend Billy Eilish here for a second? Because I don't think this is necessarily, look, look good. The evidence does not look good. But as her counsel, I think that there's a world where Billy Eilish is trying,

now I don't know anything about Billy Eilish. I don't even, I could not name a single one of her songs. However, I had the vibe that she was kind of like trying to impress the cool kid. You know, like, Amy Poehler here is like the cool kid. She's like, oh, Survivor. You like Survivor. I was like, oh, yeah, Survivor. You know, she's like playing up how over it she is in Blase.

Because like Amy Poehler is already laughing about it. And so like she's just being like, yeah, the Billy Irish idol. But maybe in her heart of heart, she thinks it's really cool. No, but she didn't seem to know anything about it, which we already suspected, right? People were like, oh, it's just, you know, she's a fan, whatever, they slapped her name on it. But what, yeah, maybe you're right. But the thing is, Amy Poehler's friends, I assume friends of hers from Parks and Rec, Nick Offerman, Adam Scott. They are, they are fans and Survivor. And so I don't think she would poo-poo it if Billy had been like, yeah, oh my God, I love Survivor. I asked Jeff if I could be a part of it. I think that would have been cool. But yeah, it felt a bit like, you know what my perception is, is that like reality TV,

is is like less than in Hollywood. And so it's like, it's not cool to be like, oh, I attached my name to this thing on Survivor. Maybe that's how she's feeling. I actually think things are always going to be cooler when you own it. And if she was like, yeah, you know, I actually mentioned Survivor in a song. And so Jeff knew that I was a big fan and I got to do this cool thing. And that would be so much better. Like, why act like you don't care about it?

And then for Survivor, it's like, don't pick a celebrity that is not. doesn't have their whole heart behind it. Because as much as we complained about the Zach Brown concert, he was a legit fan of the driver. And Fallon, too. He's just like super into it. He has Christian on the Tonight Show, you know, to like make up to the fans for having done it wrong.

I do wonder if that was in response to social media backlash. Like I'm like, how likely was it? Everyone's typing on Jimmy Fallon's page, like, apologize to Christian. Yeah, oh, 100%. I mean, there's just like, yeah. But, you know, like, Adam Scott is 53 years old. Nick Offerman is 55 years old. Billy Lill is just 24 years old.

I wonder, you know, it's like, it's so once you get older, you're less, you've less like inhibition about like sharing your like weirdo passions. And maybe I don't know, like maybe she's like, you know, she feels a little bit less like, you know, like she's still trying to impress. Yeah, that's so true. She's in her 20s. She's not wise like those of us age 30 and above. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. So we'll see. I just, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm trying. to try to find the silver lining here. The takeaway was Genevieve was right and Genevieve got screwed by finding two idols. Those two guys are still in the game. Well, no, one of them isn't, but she would have been correct

about Ozzie going home. She would have had an idol. All right. Let's get into the most important part of every episode of the know-at-alls is so on point here. You and Scott St. Pierre. Gosh, you guys are freaking on the button. Thank you, Jess, for incredible producing.

Just nailed the cue. So, yeah, so let's talk about the fishy candidates today, Gabby. And I've got a few options for you. I feel like the obvious one here is Aubrey, because we see her take this information that Ozzy gives her. You know, he spills the beans about all this stuff he's done, the extra vote. You know, I want to take Cerea to the end. This is my game to win.

And then goes, we see her going door to door, talking to Joe, talking to Rizzo, you know, spreading it all over the place. and potentially this is what is the deciding factor in Rizzo choosing to vote Ozzy out is the fact that, you know, Ozzy basically like spread all of his info everywhere. So I think like there's a real case to be made for Aubrey here. Also, Jonathan, I do think Jonathan actually was the deciding factor in Ozzie going home. I don't think, I think like without Jonathan here, like Aubrey's info would not have been enough. You know, I don't, it didn't seem to have moved Joe at all.

you know, Joe even says to Jonathan, like, Aubrey's not trustworthy. Jonathan, I feel like is doing the legwork. You know, he's like, first of all, he gets Surrey and Tiffany on board. Literally. Eight times he went back and forth. He got his steps in. He did his 10,000 steps.

You know, he got Surrey and Tiffany. So he got like the go ahead, right, before he makes the move. And even if Surrey didn't want it, he still has her, like, tacit approval. Then he goes over. He, like, convinces Joe. You know, Joe won't be swayed. So he goes back to Surrey and Tiffany. He goes back.

You know, he really, it really felt like, in this somewhat precarious position, he built a consensus to make this big move and then got all the key stakeholders to sign on and then got the go ahead with the move. So I do think there's a real case to be made for Jonathan here. Surrey, of course, place her extra vote. She's in danger because of the, you know,

Rick's idol. She placed her extra vote perfectly and ends up saving herself. I mean, by that argument, you could also, you know, give me a case for Rick. And then, of course, there is, Genevieve as the dark horse candidate for Fishy who correctly guessed

that Ozzy would be blindsided with an idol is out of the game already so it cannot boomerang back to her but like what a what a swing and what a well you know knocking it out of the park on her predictions for who in this game would be blindsided with an idol so where are you on these four

to five candidates? Wow first of all have you ever given like a posthumous fishy? I've given it to the rain. I've given it to the rain. I it to Russell on a season he wasn't on. Like, these have been all over the place. It's evolved a lot. Like,

I went back in my day, like there wasn't a theme song for the festival. Yeah. Well, and Rob really likes to keep it buttoned up, you know, he's, but Rob's not here,

so we can go crazy. We could go crazy. Well, okay, I have thoughts. First of all, love a posthumous Vesue for Genevue

just because I think that that's funny. I have to go with probably one of the first two people you mentioned, which is Aubrey, or Jonathan. Initially, I was going to say Aubrey, because I feel, whoa, she really saved herself and used this information, leveraged it correctly. Whenever someone saves themselves,

I think that is a candidate for, you know, best player of the episode because they did the thing. They survived. But I hadn't thought about the factor that you said, which was like, it didn't really seem to move the needle onto Ozzie until Jonathan did his back and forth. he really, they should have given him like a golf cart or something. You're like exhausted out there and he's walking around in that sand.

I'd be so tired. I think it's between what, you know, I also thought Rizzo might be a candidate. So I think honestly there was so much good gameplay this episode, except for, you know, probably Ozzy was the ones that the weakest gameplay. But there were strong candidates across the board. So I don't think you can really go wrong with, with the people. that you mentioned. Yeah.

My gut is to give it to Aubrey because I do think she took this kind of like, you know, rare little like gift from the universe and was able to like leverage it. I think the fact that she was probably going to go home if she hadn't done this, does sort of mode. I mean, I mean, like I also as an old school survivor player, I really value the people who are like getting the votes together.

Like to me that is like the purest survivor virtue is like, can I build, you know, not the person who like plays the idol and like saves themselves. No offense. Rick Devons, but the person who is able to get the majority to sign on to a vote and get that vote done.

To me, that is typically the thing that I applaud, and that is what Jonathan did here. But I also think, A, I've given a fish to Jonathan already this season, and I don't think I've given one to Aubrey yet. So I'm inclined to think that really, and Aubrey really did save herself. It looked like Rizzo's decision

really did come back to Aubrey kind of like taking this information and using it against Ozzy. in a position where she was screwed. Like Jonathan really was in a real powerful position here. Yes. Yeah. I hate to save herself.

So should we say fishy for Aubrey? I think so. An honorary fishy for Genevieve for making the, you know, taking this big swing. Yeah. Being right. Like a guppy, maybe. You could have a mini fishie. The guppy.

I love that. It's kind of like Gabby. The guppy. The guppy. The guppy. The guppy. There's something there. There's something.

Yeah. All right. All right. Fishy Robbie. Anything else that you want to say about this episode, Gabby? No, I feel like we covered everything that I wanted to talk about. I'm looking at my notes. The only other thing that I wanted to say, we briefly touched on Ozzy had, you know,

we saw a lot of us humanity this episode. and I actually was very touched by him talking about his father. And I had not remembered him saying that specific thing about his father on his original season. And I could understand how that maybe weighed on him. Like, oh, why did I paint him in that way? And there's so much more to him. And I think that was a real human moment of like also revealing of what we, people who've been on reality TV, you know, we can tend to overthink the things that we've done.

But especially more so when it, you feel like it didn't represent. present something that's important to you in the truest light. And so I was happy for him that he got his chance to kind of re-honor his father in a way that maybe felt more well-rounded, maybe felt more like the message he wanted to leave people with. And it made me cry, honestly. I think we saw like how he grew up on the show. He talked about how he grew to be more patient. And I thought it was really fitting and poetic in a way that he said,

his dad's name is Oscar and his dad was this gregarious like such a friendly wonderful people person and when an Ozzie had tried to embody this more social part of Ozzy for this season calling himself Oscar and at the time when he brought that up I thought oh yeah he's being cute he's saying you know this is the more mature version of me little did we know that that was his father's name and maybe that he found himself representing some parts of his father's best qualities and being more sociable. I just thought that was like such a beautiful homage, whether intentional or unintentional or, you know, just like it speaks to what I love most about reality TV is seeing people's vulnerability

and seeing people be imperfect and having a chance to redeem yourself. And it's just really beautiful. And I think that's something that is such a benefit of seeing returning players play so many times is we really see not only Ozzy's growth, but also his growth in his relationship or how he's thinking about his father, his relationship with him and what he kind of wants to represent what he's learned from his family and from the show Survivor. It's just really a really cool moment that I wanted to mention. That was so beautifully said, Gabby. And Ozzy truly is, I mean, we maybe didn't really dig into it. Like this really, you know, if this is the Swan song for Ozzy,

truly is a legend of the game. You know, someone who has been on so many of these iconic seasons, has so many iconic moments, and really created a new mold for survivor players. You know, how many people have we seen come out and said they want, they're going to be the new Aussie, right? Or like, Ozzy is the person they aspire to. We had Jonathan say that this episode, you know, Malcolm was an Aussie,

you know, I mean, Sebastian was an Ozzy. Like, Joe was sort of an Aussie, too, you know, Joe Anglam. You know, it really like sort of, he's like kind of become, this iconic reality television character and certainly within the Survivor franchise like one of the legends and greats of the game and even if he's never won he got really freaking close

one vote away from winning against Yule one of the most dominant players of all time so truly a grade of the game and a great of the franchise so yeah that was really beautifully said anything where can people find you if they would like to on Instagram

Gab Scusi on on chat PCC and really not that many other places yeah that's all all all well well this has been such a pleasure Gabby thank you for being here Rob Sesternino hobnobbing with

the glitterati in New York and you know he will be I guess posting the audio or the video of that I don't know sometimes soon whenever whenever he's ready what else we got Jess anything else going on here oh we escape oh yeah Hey, I'd love to talk about that.

Escape was published this past week in the United Kingdom. So if you are in the UK, and I think probably other countries in Europe, like, you know, that have English-speaking bookstores, you can now buy Escape at your local bookstore. So very exciting. I love this cover for it. It's a little, you know, darker and a little more menacing. Of course, speaking of books that are now available,

the tribe and I have spoken, Rob Sesternino's beautiful, you know, tribute to Survivor and great guide to all the players and the iconic moments is now available in bookstops, I don't know, and on Roba's Book.com. And really lovely book. It's very funny.

There's quotes from Gabby Piscousy in the book. Forward from Stephen Fishback. Forward from Steve Fischbeck. So you can see more of us there, as well as fun little drawings as well from Sam Bond. So highly recommend it, If you are a fan of the show, and certainly if you are an hour into a survive, an RHAP podcast, you probably already have ordered this. But if you haven't, it's a great time to do it.

You don't even have to pre-order now. You can just order it. It is available. What else? Anything else, Jess? Is that it? I wanted to say both books are great. I've read both of them.

I've finished Stephen's book in like three nights. Like it was a page turner. I texted Stephen all of my thoughts about it that I really enjoyed it. So if you still haven't read Escape, definitely read it. not hashtag not an ad and Rob's book I haven't finished but I've I've skimmed through it and it is full of such fun stories and great quotes like quotes that I've never seen before maybe forgot because it was from a really old interview so like genuinely like how cool is it now I'm geeking out that like I went from a fan of RHAP and the No Adults to like now being here and being like oh both

of you read wrote books and they're both good books and yeah very very cool stuff here. Well, if you haven't finished Rob's book, I highly recommend making it to the last chapter, which is really beautiful and very personal from Rob. And I guess that's all. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Again, the hobnobbing will be available soon. And with that, have a great night. Thank you so much. And thank you, Gabby, for being here to that.

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Nicely done, Rob.