RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 5 Recap

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 5 Recap Survivor 50 heats up as Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach return for another jam-packed recap on the Survivor Know-It-Alls. This week, Rob and Stephen break down the fallout from a double Tribal Council and the pre-merge chaos, diving into pivotal swings, shifting alliances, and a whopping 17-person merge looming ahead. The hosts spotlight surprising gameplay from Kamilla and Rizo, debate whether old wounds define new moves, and try to make sense of Survivor’s ever-changing web of connections. The show opens with both Rob and Stephen reflecting on the emotional stakes of losing heavy-hitters like Angelina and Charlie. They unpack Kamilla’s key role as this episode’s swing vote, debating if her decision is rooted in the shadows of Survivor 48. Rizo’s “high-wire act” draws praise, especially as he turns a risky social game—and an idol in plain sight—into a strong position. The hosts dig into Charlie’s downfall, calling his vote-out “Shakespearean” and highlighting how Survivor’s stories get distorted between the beach and the TV screen. On the other side of the island, Rob and Stephen examine Christian, Emily, Ozzie, and Stephenie’s dynamic, questioning the logic and fallout from the latest moves at Tribal Council, and celebrate the under-the-radar strategic work that shields Stephenie from the line of fire. – Kamilla’s swing vote and Survivor 48 “agency” echoes – Rizo’s unconventional idol play and social approach – Charlie’s obsession with past mistakes and the trap of Survivor self-narratives – Dee and Kamilla’s risky split from original tribal lines as the merge approaches – Coach’s fresh set of nicknames and the evolving role he, Colby, and Aubry play in the shifting alliances With a massive merge coming, can Rizo’s disarming style keep him safe? Will Kamilla’s new path change her long-term game? Listen in for sharp strategy talk, fun camp moments, and all the key Survivor 50 breakdowns. Stay tuned and catch every twist, idol reveal, and alliance flip as Rob and Stephen break it all down for Survivor 50! Chapters: 0:00 Survivor 50: Double Tribal Fallout 6:03 Kamilla’s Power Position Analyzed 12:06 Charlie Haunted By Survivor Past 18:25 Rizo’s Boasting Disarms Veterans 24:10 Merge Strategy: Dee and Kamilla 30:03 Tribal Lines and Group Dynamics 36:05 Ozzy and Christian’s Broken Trust 42:45 How Stephenie Avoids the Target 48:10 Angelina’s Understated Exit Discussed 54:09 Coach’s New Nicknames Spark Debate 58:59 Merge Vote: Unpredictable Alliances 1:04:16 Rizo Wins the Fishy Award 1:10:18 Survivor 50 Live Show Announced To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com To order Stephen’s novel Escape!, visit stephenfishbach.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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This is not even the book tour. This is just spring break for my kids. We're partying up Miami style. Spring break. Yeah, that's what they say. The best place for young children, spring break, Miami. Yep. Five and two, we thought it was time to bring them out to South Beach.

Bring them out. Okay. All right. Stephen, how are you doing? I'm great. Well, I'm mad. I'm mad because, you know, I was a real Charlie fan. I'm pissed.

That's what you guys say. Oh, you did the Sandy one, not even the Liz one. Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, I go back to the OG artist. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

I'm an old school. Too bad coach didn't give her a nickname. Yeah, you know, they never met. Mm-hmm. I probably met at some point. We should talk about the, well, we will talk about the coach. Yeah, we got to get your taste. Angelina was my most anticipated, you know, from days from time in the memorial, very sad to lose her.

And Charlie, one of my favorite new era players. This was a very emotionally difficult. Oh, I'm doubly sad about Angelina because not only did we lose her, did they use her? What the hell? So I don't know. Why would we even bring back in? Angelina if we weren't going to even show her. Just one little brief jacket shout-out.

That's it. That's it. So we could talk about all that, but a lot to unpack here from a jam-packed double tribal council as we close out the pre-merge, believe it or not, here. Wow. 17-person merge. 17-person merge is coming. And so- That shelter.

Can you imagine? They're going to have to like two rows deep. They're going to be stacked in the shelter. Make some bunk beds in the shelter. Okay. So we will talk about all that here with you, but we have a lot of podcast coming your way. I will have exit interviews on Thursday coming up with both players voted out of the game. Angelina and Charlie exit interviews coming up on Thursday. Plus, I'll check in

with Adam Klein, your friend in mind, and we'll talk about what he is seeing here, not to mention. Also, we will have podcast coming up later on this week with Rachel Levant and Mary Holland. Wow. Lots of exciting stuff coming up this week. All right. Stephen. So let's get into this. We have... Yeah, let's talk about the episode. Let's talk about this. Okay, I'd like to talk about, I think, the tribal council and the vote that I think we have more to talk about.

Because we've talked so much about the Christian, Ozzie, Emily, Angelina tribe, Stephanie Tribe. So much from the last episode. I'd love to jump in and talk about the vote for Charlie, which I really felt like that we were getting a Rizzo boot throughout the whole episode here tonight. I felt like that the edit was really going in the Rizzo where he's going out direction. Did you get duped by the edit or do you see through it? I was totally like I honestly did not know. I like legitimately did not know going into that tribal council who was getting voted out. And the most damning evidence against Rizzo, right, was this interchange that he has with Camilla,

where they really positioned Camilla as the swing vote. And they have this conversation with Rizzo and Camilla, where Rizzo says, Kyle came to me. He said, like, I'm his, you know, he's my big brother in this game. If I ever needed anything, like before he was taken out, like, I should turn to you. And Camilla immediately sees through it. And I'm thinking, like, Camilla isn't going to want to be deceived like that. On the other hand, I do, you know, if Camilla is choosing between these two sides of like the D,

Ceri Rizzo side versus like the Jonathan Rizzo side. and who else is on that side? Charlie side. I can also see her go with the more the subtly schemier side. So it was an interesting choice. So I love talking about this from Camilla's spot because I think that she's in such a fun swing position in this episode. And I really am as a Camilla believer in Survivor 48,

I love the position that she's in here in Survivor 50 because this is the game. I think she wanted to play in Survivor 48 and then sort of got like boxed in. And I do think that there might have been a little bit of PTSD in terms of Camilla in Survivor 48 feeling like, hey, I did not have any agency. I was in a position where I was kind of the plus one of Kyle in sort of like the Big Guys Alliance. I didn't really love that position. She ends up sort of having the option where one of those options, I think looks a lot like what the alliance was that she was in in Survivor 48. And I should have seen it coming that she was going to pick the option that was most unlike the position that she was in in her previous season. I think that that has really been this idea of

open wounds, which is the name of the episode, where that's really been the theme of the whole season. So I love this for Camilla. I don't think anybody's going to come back after this vote. I'm like, Camilla, this is your fault. So she's in a. really great position coming out of all this. And so I think that that's fun. As far as what Rizzo said to her, I thought she was a little dubious, but I don't think that she saw through it. I thought she's like, it's possible.

It's a little weird, but I'll take it. I just meant from a narrative perspective. Like we saw her sell, we saw him selling her a bill of goods. Yeah. And her being skeptical of it. So like in terms of like, if you think like where's Camilla going, I would say like that was the major evidence that she might side with the big guys. but like I too like saw like this is Kamala she's just come off this season the big guys were

her like you know not antagonists but like she felt locked into this big guys lines and then there was this gender group that she kept on wanting to like get going and it just like never cohered and here she has that opportunity where like the insurgent group has this chance to take out one of these guys who like in this like you know dominant alliance and like you know of course she takes it I thought that this episode, and you brought up Rizzo, I thought this whole episode for him was one high wire act after another. And I kept waiting for him to, okay, he took it one step too far, whether it was with Charlie, with Camilla, with D, with Surrey, at tribal council, talking about his accolades from Survivor 49, talking at tribal council so much about himself. I kept waiting for everybody to turn around on him and like, all right, you went one step too far. You know, you took it.

We were feeling you, but you went in a little bit, you pushed it a little bit too much. But he never did. And that's really incredible that he ends up coming out of this episode in a really good position seemingly where he has a lot of allies. He's seemingly one over D, Surrey, Camilla. and he comes out of this coming from a tribe nobody from his original tribe is here in this group

he ends up he still somehow that he can't keep getting away with it he goes through another tribal council without playing his idol and somehow we're so back Rizgod chat we're not cooked

we what's I think like he is one of these people because he's got this youthful energy he's so endearing he has all this boyish enthusiasm When he's kind of like hyping up his own achievements, I think they're all kind of like, okay, Rizzo, you know, you.

It's not like it's like someone maybe more intimidating in the surface. If they were being like, I'm so great and I did this and that, it would seem like really like a little fantastic. You called it the other day. He is Mickey Mousellini. Yeah. I want, or is he Donald Ducce? That's one step too far.

Was that one step too far? Speaking of one step too far? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. But for Risgod, yeah, he somehow that he has people, like they're, they're enjoying his company. Yeah. People are really liking. I mean, even like Surrey, I'm not even, she seems so charmed by him. Yeah. She's like sharing info with him almost unnecessarily. And I do think there's this element. I mean, there's probably two things, right? Surrey probably sees, I think, like the narrative fun of it. Like, here I am the like veteran player taking like young, enthusiastic.

goofy Rizzo under my wing and like what a funny pair we would be but like I do think he's sort of like enthusiasm and charm and like I'm laying it out all in the line for you really just like is disarming for all these veterans that's all like so used to kind of like muscling their way through this thing that's the perfect word for him is that he is disarming because he is really a guy who thinks a lot about strategy but I think it comes in a package where he I think he's 26, but he like does have a very youthful energy and look to him where no matter what, I think he kind of feels like a kid brother or like a younger player than he actually is. And I do think it's disarmament.

People never talk about Rizzo in the way that they talk about like a Christian or a Cochran or I've certainly you and I, you know, where it's like, oh, they're too sneaky. I can't work with that guy. that they love people, really enjoy his company. You know, at some point, it seems like it's a turnoff

for people who are going out of the game, but for the most part, it seems like that for the people that he's around, they really do feel very affectionate about Rizzo. Yeah, and I mean, Dee approached Rizzo, right?

Like, that's sort of where this even begins is like D, who's feeling kind of like left out of this group or maybe not even left out of this group because she's included in the group. She doesn't want to like listen to the guys like tell her what to do either she goes to Rizzo and he's got this sort of like approachable

energy yeah I also thought like what a great sniff from Rizzo like so so I mean the trajectory of the Rizzo Charlie thing is two episodes ago Rizzo goes to Charlie and like he wants to build a relationship with Charlie Charlie's not having it and in this episode kind of Rizzo sniffed that out when Charlie comes over to him in the like crack a dog and it's like who would you tell about the the Billy Irish Idol. And he's like, Rizzo is, first of all, like,

really put off by that. And then when Charlie claims that, like, Jonathan was, like, sniffing around asking questions. So good reads from Rizzo about, like, what's going on with Charlie.

He, like, correctly deduces a sense of the situation and then is able to sort of turn it around. I'd love to talk a little bit about Charlie, where Charlie played such a masterful game in Survivor 46. I think that I'm old enough to remember you and I calling Charlie's game at points. Perhaps the best game that,

we saw in the new era and Charlie is back here in season 50 and seemingly off to a good start. But then we have, Stephen, would you call, this is sort of like borderline Shakespearean where that Charlie is chasing this ghost of his survivor past in that. And it's not even, it's false pretense. It's not even what actually happened. It's all based on like a misrepresent. It is really Shakespearean. It's like based on a lie, a misrepresentation from Rizzo, and it totally triggers something like deep inside Charlie.

And Charlie's like that's it. He cannot be on the jury. And really like this bloodthirst for, okay, I need to write this wrong of like, how dare you're not voting for your number one? You have to go home. I think it ultimately ends up springboarding Charlie himself being taken out of the game. And it was interesting that we saw fleshed out the. Charlie and Jonathan relationship, which was an interesting duo. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see more of that because I think that that was such an interesting

dichotomy of those two different players together as an alliance. But so Charlie is, we see him with Jonathan. Jonathan, we see talking with Rick Devons. And it seems like that there's this group and they're really looking at Rizzo. But we have this moment where Charlie goes to Rizzo and wakes up. him up. And I thought that this was cinema to me because as somebody, my kids are a little older, this was very much like, okay, hey, Dominic, there's, uh, it's school. He's, uh, I want to wake up. Uh, and with like Rizzo sleeps in the boat in the fetal position,

uh, Charlie wakes him up. But you know, when you go back to Survivor 46, something that I remember from Charlie was that and Charlie is a great confessionalist. He gives a lot of like, hey, here's a, you know, pro tip, fun fact. And Charlie tells us the viewer, every important conversation I've ever had in the game is first thing in the morning. That's when all the important conversations have. And so I'd love that as a callback here in this episode

where Charlie then kind of dies by that this rule of the important conversations in the game happen first thing in the morning when he wakes up Rizzo because he just wakes him off to start asking like, oh by the way who else did you tell about the idol wait so that was that was a confessional in 46 about all the conversation that's so interesting because cue brings wakes him up to i think it was after tim got voted out that they bring that's when they bring charlie into the six is like the conversation he's like all the important conversations in the day happen first thing in the morning

when the sun comes up yeah that's so funny and then that's so he's sort of like trying to like put live that and that also ends up yeah charlie's like the CEO he's waking up at like 4 a.m. and getting all his business done for the day. Yeah, but but it really and it is sort of like I mean, we obviously only saw a fraction of that as we always do, but it did feel like a real sort of aggressive interrogation of like, you know, out of nowhere, you know, allegedly Jonathan is the problem sniffing around. It just felt like a bad, a bad setup. And I mean, you know, Rizzo sniffed it correctly. Yeah. So I think that that really did put Charlie on Rizzo's radar. Certainly we'll ask Charlie about that tomorrow in terms of why go to Rizzo at that point.

in the day to wake him up to ask him about it. But I want to ask you about there was some interesting conversation that transpired at the Second Tribal Council. And there was a quote that Charlie had where he was talking about Rizzo and how the disadvantage that Rizzo has about not having seen his season. And I thought of you because it's something that in a different context that you two have talked about. He's totally stealing my material.

My God. Yeah. Everyone is the hero of their own story. Yes, which your context of that, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that you've talked about that. Exit interviews are not canon because of the reason of everyone is the hero of our own stories. But it's the sort, no, but I think it's the same point that he's making. It's like you're not see, like when you see the show, suddenly you're like, you know,

when you're in the show, like you're the hero. And he's saying it, right, to sort of like maybe like shrug his shoulders at all of like Rizzo's boasting. Like, yes. Like in your mind, you were this like Titanic force and this huge player. And that's what happens for all of us in our minds when we are playing the game. Like all of our moves and our subtle intricacies are out there. But then when you watch the show back, you see that everybody else is also doing these things. You are actually like maybe just one of many characters and sometimes even a very small character in that narrative.

Yeah. If I may, let me give you the full quote. I'd love to have you expand further on this that he says, Charlie, do you see yourself as Rizzo? And he answers the question of, listen, where all? the hero of our own stories because going through the game in your own head rather than watching yourself play survivor and getting to see all the other stories it colors things differently and that is such a unique perspective of somebody having been through the reality television experience and for all of our listeners and viewers that it is a really interesting thing that reality

television affords you. And it's something that you don't necessarily have the context of going through life, not having been on a reality television show, not to say that you haven't lived until them. But I think that the particular interesting experience that it affords you is that you live your life and you only live your life through the first person vantage point of you as the central figure in the story. but when you experience life on a reality television show that sometimes the story that

everyone else gets to experience, such as my experience on Survivor All-Stars, is not told through your first person vantage point. And it can be a weird experience where I'm sure you've had this as well, Stephen, where you've talked to people who have gone through a reality television experience. and then when that thing goes on television, it is not at all like what the person experienced. And I think that there's probably even a few accounts of that in the wonderful novel escape.

Yeah. Well, what's interesting, too, the thing that I always get, not a kick out of, but it's sort of tragic actually. Like, I remember many, many, many examples of reality contestants saying to me, like, oh, my gosh, next episode, they're going to have to show this thing. And it was such a big thing. And I mean, that happened to me literally today.

It also happened to me, one, I remember, like, I remember Papa Bear, actually. Papa Bear from Survivor's after doing, when they show this thing that happened, everyone is going to have their opinions. You're not going to believe. Everybody's going to go crazy. It doesn't make the episode at all. Like, nobody ever even knows that this thing happened. And but to you or to him, the Papa Bear, this was like the big thing as part of his experience. It's part of his story. It really is like.

I was recently in a Traders Group chat with. people talking, oh, when this happens, you're, oh, this is going to, when they show this. And a lot of the things that they said were going to be so great. Like, I did not see them on my television. Yeah. And I think that's, that that's, it's very like humbling as a, as a human, but also like even just like from the perspective of these people like playing reality TV. It's funny that like, Rizzo actually was that. You know, like he did.

It was like from his perspective. I mean, I experienced it myself. I, my, not to go too far into the traitors lore, but I had my, like, my most fulfilling experience in the traders was, I had a whole thing where I was, I, like, had a whole plot to get the traitors to murder Michael Rappaport on the first night. And I felt like so proud of myself. I came home and I was like, hey, look, I don't know what happens is whatever's going to happen, but I, like, played my ass off today.

none of that was in the show. It's crazy and it's so frustrating because you're like that, like, you like left your, you know, you left it all on the field. And like at least if you're playing a sports game, like, you know, well, first of all, you know, it's all there. It's all there. But like the editing is kind of what removes that perspective.

And I think that's sort of why both. And Rick said something similar too, which is, you know, that I think is one of the reasons that they're able to kind of discount Rizzo's perspective. It's because like, okay, yeah, like in your head, you've done all these Titanic things and like in the edit when you see your season back

it's not going to go so hot for you but in fact it actually did I think ironically I think this actually plays in Rizzo's favor where I think that a lot of like his boasting I think they kind of dismiss it like okay yeah I'm sure you were really you really did all those things well he's on Survivor 50

and they're like well like it's probably not going to be as good as it was but he really did dominate a lot of the screen time in it. And I think that they are sort of still not looking at him as the threat that he actually is. And I think because of his disarming nature, they're discounting a lot of the things that he's saying that he did before. Like, he's actually telling the truth. Do you think if he played it closer to the vest, which would like, like, if we were just in a vacuum, not Rizzo, some human comes back on the show, they say to, you know, us, Rob and Stephen, should I tell everyone how

great I was and all the great things I did or should I just play humble and go along with the flow and try to like fade into the background. We would say do the second thing. Do the second thing. Yeah, don't tell him. But if Rizzo was more humble, would that be worse for him potentially? Because it almost like

would create this mystery around him. It's almost like that. He's telling them what he did. People just just can't like do think like assume the opposite of what you tell them. So if you tell them I did nothing like, oh, he must have done something. It's like, oh, I did so much. Like, he probably did nothing.

If he's telling us he did a lot, he probably actually did nothing. He's not like, he's probably a pathological liar. Yeah. He's obviously just like talks a big game. They love that about him. They brought him back because he's a big talker. Is there, do you think is, is, is, can't be like, is this the right move for him to just be so boastful? I mean, it seems to be working. It seems to be working. I'm really interested to see what his positioning looks like at the merge. where as we could talk more about how we think the merge could unfold.

But if we get to this unprecedented 17-person merge, is there going to be like a consensus vote of who's the easiest target? Who's the low-hanging fruit? How many people are going to go to bat for Rizzo in that situation? Is Ceree going to go to bat for him? Is D going to go to bat for him? How many people are going to stick their neck out for him? So I do think that he could potentially be sort of like low-hanging fruit for a big

consensus group vote. But as of right now, I was a Riz God doubter here in season 50. I kind of thought he'd be an early boot. But look at him. He's made the merge. Kudos to him.

Rizzo also has a lot of connections right now, right? Because he was in with his Colby Stephanie group. And that is like the group now, right? Because like Stephanie's tight with Ozzy. Colby's got this thing with coach and Joe and Chrissy. You know, now Rizzo's got connections with Surrey and Camilla and D.

I actually think he might be one of the most connected players in the game through this web of connections right now. Yes, absolutely. He has a lot of connections. I will say the counterpoint to that is that there is somebody who is very incentivized to blindside him.

And that person is Genevieve who sent him the Billy Elish idol. He doesn't know, he calls it a Billy Elisho. It's actually a Billy Elish boomerang idol, which is interesting that the people, the people who get the idol don't know it's actually called a Billy Elish Boomerang Idol.

They just call it a Billy Ilish. That's interesting. Like, yeah. They don't know about the boomerang. Yeah, because they don't say like, hey, well, why is it a boomerang island? Don't worry about that part. They just tell them, oh, it's a, oh, it's a Billy Elish idol.

That's cute. And what, yeah, that's the question. What was I made for? And the answer is to get somebody blindsided. I do wonder if he comes into a big, with a big target on his back from Genevieve, who is going to want to make him be a early boot in the merge. she could get that aisle, but we'll talk about that more later.

I'd love to just talk more about Charlie and talk about his Survivor 50 run here, which ultimately ends much shorter than I thought it was going to. There's a quote from Camilla. She, uh, who was upset. Charlie came to her and told her about what the information that Rizzo had, that Charlie tells her too late. I thought this was actually a good move on Charlie's part,

but Camilla says, Charlie is too slow. What do you think about... And that's repeated, by the way. That's a crazy narrative. That's a crazy narrative. It's like she's known him for like a day or two days or something. Oh, I guess they were on.

But like, you know, like he's only known about this information for like a day. There was a callo four. Yeah. And says like, oh, by the way, like, and because Rizzo beat him to the punch by six hours, like Charlie's playing too slow. I do not accept that narrative. Yeah. It's interesting.

I wonder if Charlie maybe put, way too much stock in the Kalo4 alliance and felt like that the tribal lines were going to hold harder than they ultimately did and didn't put enough attention into maintaining the relationships with D and with Camilla. But I really was very surprised to hear D have such strong words about Charlie. Coming into the season, I thought that D and Charlie had a pretty good relationship. Dee talked about Charlie who came after her as the on-fire co-host. She felt like that they had a good rapport the two of them.

She actually said that coming after Rick Devin's, her and Rick Devin actually did not have a good rapport as the outgoing on-fire co-host. But she actually... He didn't leave her a note in the desk drawer. But her and Charlie, I think that they were on pretty good terms. That being said, that she... I believe used the words to describe Charlie said that he's a stupid player.

Yeah. And again, like, that was why, because, like, he had that conversation with Rizzo in the morning about the, about the idols. You know, I wonder how much, I, again, like, I'm a big Charlie fan. I loved his game in 46. I just, like, I love his vibe. I love, like, his confessionals.

Like, you know, that's my bias. But, like, I wonder if he was hurt here by being so tight with Jonathan where like it kind of like brings out a broishness that like when he was tight with Maria was not evoked, you know, like, where like that's maybe what Camilla is more reacting to here and even maybe D is more reacting to. It's like, you know, Charlie by himself very unassuming. He loves Taylor Swift. He's very subtle.

But suddenly like Jonathan is next to him and like here you've got these two guys, you know, and then like bring Rick into the, you know, the full. It's the brains of the operation. And it feels like more of like a thing to react to. You know, like, Ozzy had a great point, which actually James Jones made when I podcasted with him about with him. Like it's better to be allied with people who are unlike you because like it's hard for people to like create a narrative in their minds about it.

And like, you know, so like Charlie and Maria like I don't see necessarily something threatening there. But with like Charlie and Jonathan and then even bigger than Jonathan Rick, you know, it's like these three Titanic guys. Like suddenly there's like a. story in my head about those three people. And I make sense that like someone like D or someone like Camilla would react against. I just want to fact check myself.

I went back to my notes. Dee did not say that Charlie was stupid. She said that she thought Charlie was the most dangerous player out here. But now she's saying that he might be the dumbest. So I just want to be clear about what she said. What she said there. But yeah, I just really was surprised to see D in particular turn that quickly around. on Charlie, but D really had an affinity for Rizzo,

which goes back to what we're talking about, where he really was disarming. And just one other point about Rizzo, he really did a great job of using the Billy Elish idol that he has as an offensive tool to build support, where you would think that in a tribe like this, where you, oh, I got to keep the idol a secret, because if they're going to, like,

I'm the only person here from my tribe, either could blindside me. He went and he showed it to people and he won allies with it. Well, and I do wonder, like, again, like his own ignorance about the boomerang part of it. Like,

it's not like if you remove this idol from play, which serene knows, it's not like the idol is gone. If I blindside Rizzo, the idol doesn't disappear. It goes to someone and I don't necessarily know who it goes to, right? So, like,

I think like having a normal idol create makes a big target out of you, but like having a boomerang idol, it's like, if I get rid of this person now, suddenly somebody else has the idol, and I don't even necessarily know who it is. So do you think that the wheels are turning for Surrey,

who has a lot of information about this? She knows that the idol was found on the original Sela that went to Aubrey. So she knows that also that the idol that Rizzo got was not from somebody on his original... Actually, she may not know when he got it because it happened post-swap. So he started with Genevieve,

but Genevieve found it when she was at Kalo and send it to him. So I wonder if Surrey, though, is trying to triangulate. who might have sent Risgod the Billy Elish Boomerang Idol. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure people are guessing. Like, you have to think it's going to be someone from his original tribe, right? Because, like, who else even knows him?

Yeah. Unless you think, like, Savannah sent it to him. But I guess, like, no, because that can't be. Yeah. You're right. Because, like, Christian slash Rick sent it to. Operating. So, yeah, I mean, I certainly she's guessing.

But, again, like, the very fact of that boomerang means he's not as ripe a target as he otherwise might be. I want to ask you about the fallout from this vote. Jonathan and Rick are both blindsided. I think that Jonathan is going to be the person who is most upset about this, that his number one got taken out. Also, he gets betrayed by Dee and Camilla. How do you think that Jonathan is going to react to all this?

With grace, I don't know. What do you think? What do you think? I think he's going to be upset. It's not like, what? I think he's going to be upset. Yeah, he seems, I feel like he's like not someone who's going to like rage out about it. I honestly think he'll be like compared to Ozzy.

I think he'll be more chill about it. Yeah. But going into the merge, I do wonder if that, you know, you kind of want to go back to the Drew Bacil tweet that we put up the other day about how you want to sort of build consensus going into the merge. Is it better for D. and Camilla to go into the merge trying to get back with Coach and the Chrissy, the people that were on the original, Collo.

Is it worse to go into the merge without like, hey, oh, we blindsided Charlie. Now, are you a little bit more off on an island where Jonathan is certainly going to return back to that group, which is now fortified with Colby and Joe? and we'll talk about that group later on, but I do wonder if maybe D and Camilla are coming into the merge, maybe with a bigger target on their backs. Yeah, I actually, like, you know, to be honest,

like I did not, when Dee, watching the episode, when you saw this consensus vote from the, from the, that call O four there, and D's like, well, I don't want to go along with that vote. Like, I understood that. Like, Dee just won her season. She doesn't want to be a passenger. But, like, I kind of think being a,

passenger there is the right move for D because of all of those factors. Like you don't know when the merge is going to be, you know, you don't, turning on your, your own tribe there is, is pretty dangerous. And D's already like a really threatening player. Like if I, I get, again, she's, she's a leader, like she's naturally a leader. Yeah. So she doesn't want to take that back seat. But like, if I'm her, I'm thinking like, I need to like get more like more protection

around me. I need to have more, more shields. Maybe she doesn't feel like she has a voice in that alliance. And like, if that's the case, then like, that's the fault of Charlie and Jonathan for not giving her that voice. But I agree with you. Like, I mean, certainly now knowing that the merge is coming, Jonathan's going to go right back to, you know, coach who's now like with, you know, with Chrissy, who's with Joe and Colby. And like, what is this D group, you know, are they going to stay tough? Are like D, Camilla, Surrey, and Rizzo. I mean, maybe, maybe they do. Yeah.

But, like, she, it does kind of, like, separate her from her original group that was kind of had some insulation because Colla was doing really well. It seems like that there's some factions that are you could put together. And maybe this is another video we make during the week where that D has Camilla and Rizzo and Surrey in this group that voted back together. But Surrey came in with Rick Devons and her, she and Rick Devons are actually on opposite. sides of this vote. So it doesn't really seem like that maybe there's too many connections back to

Surrey's original group here. But you do have also that D and Camilla were tight with Tiffany, who now maybe has picked up Aubrey. So there is like this interesting group of women and Rizzo of, you know, D, Ceree, Camilla, Tiffany, Aubrey Rizzo. That's six. But six into 17 is out. I'm sorry.

Yeah. But what are the group? I mean, I think like if is there like one? dominant group that we don't think there's one dominant group but then I think there's also another group which we see you know coach Colby Joe Stephanie is going to get back to them is

Ozzy come back come back into Ozzie and coach that's that's Ozzy I don't know where Ozzy is going to go but certainly he's not going to stick with Christian and Emily he's not going to stick with Christian and Emily so Ozzy is you going to go back with Surrey and be part of that group with the women

and Rizzo I think that that's certainly on the table But I think this is really fun Because like, you know, you've got this like Like you've got Okay, D, Camilla, Rizzo, Surrey And then we're saying, who are you putting with them? Tiffany and Aubrey. Tiffany, Aubrey.

So that's that's seven. You said? Yeah. So I think it's five women in Rizzo. And then if you add an Ozzie, that gets the seven. Oh, Ozzy is part of that? I think so. And where's Ozzie going to go?

He's going to go back to Surrey. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. And then you've got like Joe, Coach, Colby, Genevieve, Chrissy, and Jonathan, presumably, and that's one, two, three. Six. That's six, you know, and then, oh, and Stephanie's with them, obviously. Yeah, seven, seven. And then, like, Christian and Emily are, and Rick are kind of back to being the swing votes. They're the swing votes.

So honestly, like, it's not, it's not, it's not obvious how this is going to play out. Yeah, very, very interesting. Uh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any day now? Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm. Tap the banner to order your groceries online at voila.ca.

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And this episode really hinges on the relationship between Christian and Ozzy, complete with South Pacific Cochran flashbacks where that Christian were saying the exact same thing. It was so good. Yeah. Okay. So going back to last week's move, we did not like the move that Christian ultimately ended up making. he does end up surviving a tribal council, which I was more dubious about. You were correct that Emily Flippin was going to stick by Christian's side in this vote.

It did not even see. We didn't get a lot from Emily's perspective, but she did not even seem to waver in terms of her unconditional support. Well, I shouldn't say unconditional. But it was not a storyline in the show that she was wavering about whether or not to stick with Christian or to cut bait and vote with Ozzie and Stephanie. Yeah, and I wonder if she actually was the sort of decisive. I mean, in my head canon, Emily is the one who says to Ozzy, like, let's keep Christian.

Because otherwise, I actually think this is a bad move from, and maybe I still think it's a bad move. I, like, in my mind, voting out Christian is the right move for Ozzy here, where like Christian is a big threat. He's just kind of betrayed you. Emily, you know, this frees Emily from Christian. Yeah. This keeps Angelina who wants to work with you. This keeps Stephanie. and why keep Christian in the game at this point.

Now you've got a shot in the dark too. So the only narrative I can have from this, and I'd love your perspective, is like Emily basically said, like, no, let's make the case. Like, hey, let's keep Christian here. And they just don't show that because it would give away the result of the episode.

I agree. I think that that's probably what ended up happening here. In terms of the shot in the dark, if Christian is voted out, Ozzie cannot use Christian. shot in the dark, correct? Why not? I don't believe

that you can use somebody else's shot in the dark. I don't think it is transferable like that. It says Christian's name on it. Really? Oh, I didn't know. I just assumed it was. We might have to find out from somebody in a new era player

who would have the rule, the distinction on that. But let's talk about this from Christian's perspective first. I'm a little surprised, you know, it took Ozzy's big feelings about this vote for Christian to

not anticipate that this was how Ozzie was going to feel. Yeah, I think this was a misstep. I mean, like Christian, you know, I respect you so much. You're probably listening. Ozzy's probably not listening. But I do think this was an honorary note at all. I think leaving somebody out of a vote is an especially an ally,

especially person you've been on a tribe with, like literally gone to every single tribal council with. It's a classic way to make someone feel quite literally left out. Yeah. But also blindsided. Like I am not surprised that Ozzy is that mad here. I mean, and I'm more surprised that Christian doesn't get it. We've, it was in the episode.

We literally see Ozzie have this same reaction. This isn't like, oh, I blindsided Yule and he's being such a baby. Like, what is that? What is up with Yule? Well, you do sort of forget, though. You do sort of forget about something that happened like 15, 20 years ago. you know, because when you're in the moment with someone, you're like, this is this, you know,

you forget about their like TV legacy. I don't know. I don't think that you can in a returning player season forget about like, okay, well, Ozzy's a perfectly logical player. Like, he's going to, like, he'll definitely understand why we had to ultimately blindside Mike White without telling him. Like, he knew he had to not tell him. He knew that Ozzy would blow up the whole plan.

So I think that he can be frustrated that this, is how Ozzy is reacting. But I think it shouldn't have been a major surprise that that was the case. Now, we saw then after Ozzy's initial outburst that Ozzy meditated and then seemed to then come back and have some sort of an understanding. Do you feel like was this an authentic forgive but don't forget moment from Ozzie? I don't think it's forgive. I think it's like act calmly and don't forgive or forget.

Right. Like, I think he's, again, like legitimately genuinely annoyed. We did have this very funny beat from Ozzy where he's like, yeah, I totally would have blown up their game. Like Christian, if he was going to blindside Mike White made, you know, big if, made the right choice in leaving Ozzy out of it. But, you know, yeah, like I don't think that Ozzy was, is going to forgive this necessarily. I want to bring Stephanie into the equation here. And we talked about this last week with Sam Phelan. And I think that Stephanie was disappointed in my asking of the question of why not Stephanie,

even though I think a lot of people were thinking, why didn't people go after Stephanie here? And Stephanie, we saw in this episode more of the things that Stephanie has done to sort of shore up some of these relationships. what we find out, I think a big piece of information is that Stephanie was part of, we saw Hugh talking to Ozzy, but it wasn't in the episode and bad on me for not assuming that this was the case. But Stephanie also was looped in on that, hey, we were part of the group Ozzy that sent you the Billy Elish Boomerang Idol. So there is a bond there between Ozzy and Stephanie.

Yes. And, you know, to your point, like, Stephanie deserves credit for, for creating this. I mean, like, to the point where nobody's targeting her. I mean, she obviously did it with Mike too, right? Where she is creating these bonds, proving herself to be a loyal player, and getting in with these people who are allegedly, like, driving the votes as someone who they, everybody seems to feel like could be on their side. A lot of people, you know, called me out.

Like, why did you give the fishy to Emily and not Stephanie? Stephanie, like, you guys are all saying, Stephanie. is, Stephanie should have been the target. She wasn't anybody's target. Like surely she's, we didn't see it unfortunately. It's hard to like,

because we saw so little from her, it's hard to award her for something that like happened around her. But like obviously she is doing this deliberately. And she's a great player. She's played, you know, again, like multiple, multiple times. She's gotten, you know, to the end once.

And I haven't seen Guatemala, unfortunately. That's my one. She did get to the end. I want to spoil it for you, but she did get to the end. I didn't see, but how does she do? Did you see when Danny was on Winners at War? Yeah.

Oh, right, right, right, right. That makes sense. Yes, okay. But another thing that I think is also part of the equation, something that was not in the episode that is also worth talking about. And I read the comments. Somebody was like, hey, Rob, you're being so stubborn. Why aren't you talking about this?

It's like, well, I didn't even realize that this was a thing. but I believe that this is the case where the group that they're part of that somebody from the David versus Goliath three had to go home. I think that in terms of from the Ozzy, Stephanie, Emily perspective, they didn't want to go to five with the David versus Goliath three. So I think that also that was one of the reasons why Stephanie wasn't even on the table as an option for anybody. it had to be somebody from the David versus Goliath three go home.

Yeah, that makes sense. And again, like, I also think, like, you know, it makes sense why Christian took this shot now, where, like, if they're constantly being perceived as a David versus Goliath three, now he sort of has this, like, one moment where he can kind of take out Mike. I mean, you know, there's so much wrong with it,

but I also think there's something right with it. It's such an interesting move because it's got pros and cons. Highs and lows. I want to talk about Angelina, where in this, season, we were, you know, obviously so excited for Angelina to come back, but I really feel like that she was so underedited in this episode. And it wasn't that she was not on tribes that went to tribal council. She was, she's been to tribal council the last three episodes. And so I really have been very surprised how little Angelina we got. Yeah. And I do think like some of, you know,

the joy of Angelina 1.0 was all of the sort of unintentional comedy. You know, She was so authentically herself and there were so many just like sort of like, you know, funny moments that came out of that. And now I think she's older. Maybe she's more in on the joke in a way that's like less authentic and less funny. You know, where like, you know, even her giving the jacket, it was such like a thing like, this is my schick. I got to give this jacket to you.

And so it was like, it was sweet, but it also was like a little bit too knowing. Yeah. And I think what made Angelina 1.0 such like a wonderful character was that there was like none of that knowingness. about her. Like she was so authentic when she went for that, you know, she was so sincere about that ladder and how dangerous that ladder was, you know, and how great a negotiator was. And like, that was what was like great about her as a character. And now like, now that she's like knowing about it, it's like a little bit less, you know, yeah. She returned to

survivor with the gift of self-awareness. And in her return, Angelina became Dr. Allison. Yeah. Yeah, classic. The thing she never wanted to become. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. No, she gained self-knowledge. She became too self-aware. Yeah.

And I think there is that. And I think that, I don't know if she, but still we want to see Angelina. Yeah. Well, it's funny, like everybody's got, everybody's story, right? They're all sort of being like upended by their own baggage, right? Like Charlie doesn't want to be like that person who didn't vote for their, you know, their number one. Angelina's baggage was her own lack of awareness

and then she's undone by that because she's too aware and therefore is edited out of the show. Yeah, but I feel like that we only have Angelina for five episodes here. I feel like that they could have shown like even if it's like, okay, well, it's not going to be as funny as it was the first time.

Like if we still want to see what she's doing. Yeah, we really saw very, very little. But it's 24 people. Yeah, we got to get into everything tomorrow with Angelina. But I really was surprised. So for Angelina, I mean, did she do anything wrong here other than be part of the David versus Goliath three? Um, no. Should she have put, actually, okay, I have put this.

Well, let me be, I will let you finish answering the question that I asked you. That was bad podcasting by me. I was, but as you, as you correctly intuitive being, you know, a professional podcaster, I had nothing. Yeah. Should she have gunned harder for Christian following him voting? out Mike White, where should she have been leading the charge? Other than, because she ultimately votes with Emily and Christian against Stephanie, should she have gone to Ozzy and Stephanie?

It's like, hey, Christian, he got rid of our friend, Mike White. We hate this guy. You should have heard what he was saying about you two. Yeah. I mean, to your point, like, yes, like she votes with Christian's like fake plan to vote out Stephanie instead of the Aussie. and Stephanie fake plan to vote out Christian. The, yeah, I think so.

I mean, did she do something wrong? I mean, the only narrative we saw about Angelina was that she was perceived to be lazy around camp. Maybe she should have worked harder around camp to. That wasn't even this camp. And not even, like, the only person, well, there's Stephanie was from that group. And so maybe like there's still sort of that.

I do feel like once you're a target, you're sort of always a target, you know, you can never like really escape that. And so my guess is like from Stephanie's perspective, like, yeah, Angelina's the target. Like obviously. Yeah. And there were pregame murmurs from the pregame interviews where Colby and Stephanie weren't

feeling Angelina. It seemed like that they were getting along fine on this tribe, but maybe that was too much to overcome. But I do feel like that from Angelina's perspective, it seems like that there was like a fresh open wound that she could have maybe twisted the dagger a little bit with Ozzy in terms of going after Christian and breaking up Christian and Emily. Yeah. I mean, why do you think Angelina goes back with Christian and Emily after they've literally just

betrayed her? I don't know. I think I'll have to find out, oh, I'll ask Angelina tomorrow. But I think that maybe there's just like a comfort level of that. Because it seems like that Angelina did not love what Christian did. We actually saw a very muted response in the episode from Angelina in terms of her reacting to, I mean, we come back, you would think that Ozzy was the person that had a seven-year friendship with Mike White that was like extremely close with him and had this incredible, like,

pre-existing relationship. We didn't really see Angela, Angelina say too much about Mike White getting voted out. It was all Ozzy's reaction to it. Yeah, and I think you're probably right that she just felt a comfort level with Christian. You know, they probably said like, well, Mike was coming from Emily. Emily is my number one ally It's not about you, Angelina Like I wanted to break up the David versus Goliath three

This is great for us now We're both like freed from the shadow of Mike White And and you know Here in this group where like she has been against Stephanie Or Stephanie's been against her And you know, she doesn't necessarily have anything with Ozzy And also remember Angelina and Emily Had this like bonding moment

Right at the merge right? Where like they were like hugging and weeping And you know suddenly like Emily had found her true alliance and, you know, last episode, Angeline voted against Emily, but like maybe there's still that sense of, like maybe Emily comes back to her and it's like, hey, this time, let's really do it.

You know, now let's get out, Stephanie. Yeah. How about Emily moving forward? She did get the fish. I think she deserved it last week. She has come into this in a really great position. She's not even talked about as the person to go home next. She really solidifies her relationship

and working relationship. with Ozzy in this episode. Christian is coming to her as a confidant once again. So things are looking up for Emily. Yeah. And that moment last episode, right, where she did try to bring Ozzy over and then Christian shut it down,

that paid dividends because Ozzie remembered that. This episode, he says, oh yeah, Emily tried to like loop me in and I missed it. You know, I do feel like a lot of people's criticisms of Emily this season have been because the story is being told from like Christians POV. So it's like things Emily is doing that don't help Christians game. Even when she was like telling everyone about the idol, was that bad for Emily? Like in many ways that was actually really good for Emily because Emily was building a lot of bonds on the back of somebody else's information.

Yeah. You know, she builds bonds with Ozzy and Q, you know, which obviously Q's gone. But like, you know, it's great for her connection with Ozzy. And, you know, she builds a bond with Angelina when she says that. and then she goes into Christian and says like, oops, I'm sorry, you know, and like then sort of heals the wound with Christian. So like, does, like, I don't even think that was necessarily bad for Emily's game. I think that built a lot of connections for her. It didn't cost her anything.

It cost Christian something maybe. And in general, like, I feel like maybe, I don't know if it's deliberate or messy, but like, I don't think it's bad. I'm trying to think of where people were gunning for her. Mike White was the only person gunning for her. everything else she's done, you can quibble with it, but it has only improved her actions have only improved her positioning every single time.

It has come at the expense of your other faves, but it's helping her. I almost wonder, I mean, like, obviously it would be stupid for her to vote out Christian because Christian just, like, put his neck on the line for her. And, like, when someone does that, like, you don't want to take that person out of the game. But I almost wonder if she would be in a better spot without Christian,

because they're perceived to be a pair, because, you know, the Clock Tower Alliance that all these players are huge Clock Tower fans and they probably watched all the episodes. And, you know, I do wonder if like, they just sort of have the same kind of like pallor, right? Like they have a certain nerd power. Well, I think that Christian is an amazing nerd shield for her

going back to Sophie and Yule. And I think that she looks at Christian as a golden parachute that at any point in the game, she can blindside Christian, stab him in the back and really prove her bona fides of like I wasn't going to work with Christian I've just voted him out I'm I'm with you guys so I think that she has that ace in the hole that she's ready to play at any point yeah I agree I agree um let's talk about the new collo tribe we have a whole slew of new nicknames Rob yeah new nicknames uh yeah new nicknames uh

given out by coach uh coach uh of course famously got started with you, Steve. So, Stephen, as the wizard, what do you think of these new nicknames that coach is rolling out? Okay, well, first of all, I thought Tide Walker was sort of elegant, but then he's like, I'm not doing that wizard warrior stuff anymore.

Like, F you! The wizard warrior stuff is classic. Yeah. What was wrong with that? Instead, instead you're doing Stonebell Monk and oakbound warrior. Now, I will say there's some, I actually really enjoyed it,

and it was funny seeing like Joe and Colby's reactions, But, you know, like for the viewing audience, like, so much easier to connect with wizard and warrior. Right. And Stone Bell Monk and Oakbound Warrior. Hey, I'm at the coach concert. I don't want to say, hey, everybody. I know you want to hear my old stuff, but I got something off my new album here for you. This one's called the Oak Bell Monk.

But you know what? There was a moment where Coach kind of said. as like, this is finally me world. You know, he's like being, I think this is the closest to the true coach that I feel like this show has seen, you know, I do feel like the thing that we, like the TV version of coach always misses. It's like him being a little bit like grand eloquent a little bit, you know, a little bit more, like too, and he's kind of letting his like goofiness and like silliness kind of like come.

And his like sensitivity come forward a little bit more in a way that we, I don't know we've seen it so much on the show. And I really feel like that is the most authentic version of him. And he's doing great. He's in such a great spot. I love it. Yeah. So we've got Colby is the oak bound warrior.

So Coaching is the Stonebell Monk. Stone Bell. Three word nicknames. I think that's a little wordy. Yeah. Yeah. Like Stone Bell. You know, just to just end it there.

Stone Monk. Stone Monk. Okay. Stones bunk. and then Elkbound Warrior for Colby. So, yeah, I have to say, listen, your mileage may vary on the new coach nicknames. I like Tidewalker, though. I thought that was like an elegant kind of like, you know, I'm just letting the tie, going with the tides,

and I'm going around obstacles. And like, then there was that moment where he's like, oh, settle down, Dragon Slayer. You know, he started to like get all pumped up and he reminded himself to, to keep it, to cool. Be the Tidewalker and not the Dragon Slayer. I also want to talk about Aubrey this episode because I felt like I have felt like the past, I mean, we've talked about Aubrey getting a slow start, but I felt like the past three episodes, we've really seen sort of like weepy Aubrey almost like too much.

And here I felt like we saw the Aubrey we know and love, like the fun Aubrey, you know, like in a way that was really encouraging. I don't know. How did you feel like Aubrey did this episode? I thought Aubrey going to coach and wanting to extend an olive branch to coach and coached graciously accepting Aubrey into the group, I thought was a win-win for both of them. I think that coach might be looking at Aubrey, similar to Edna back in Survivor South Pacific, where coach had his core group at the Apulu, was five or six.

But then he also had Edna, who was like also on the side, who was kind of like just his person. And I think that it might have rubbed some people the wrong way, like, hey, why are we keeping Edna around? but I think that coach likes having sort of like this other exit, off ramp, parachute of, hey, here's this other person who's actually most loyal to me. We're going to keep her around. And will it annoy Genevieve if coach is going to bat for Aubrey? What do you think? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, Genevieve's whole, you know, mission is getting Aubrey out. Like, it sounds like that's like from both of their perspectives they have. It will be interesting to see how that plays out because, you know, will Genevieve, who seems to have a pretty good relationship with everybody, you know, win over. But now that it's emerged, like maybe it doesn't have to be, you know, one versus one. Yeah. I'm sorry.

They have so much played up that all of these rivalries that we've seen the end of Rizzo Charlie. Genevieve and Aubrey is coming versus Aubrey is coming soon. Genative even Aubrey is coming. And I do wonder if Aubrey, you know, we've seen her have this relationship with coach, but we also talked about Aubrey as being somebody who was really ripe for the picking in terms of working with. this group that we saw vote out Charlie in this episode with D, with Camilla, we're going along with Tiffany with this group. I do wonder, could Genevieve be a target for some of the other

people that are in that group that we saw vote out Charlie tonight? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that they might, I mean, she was really threatening, I think, her season. And I think you could easily see them kind of like settling on her if she doesn't have like these tight relationships. But, you know, she seems to be in with that group of like Colby, Stephanie. You know, it's too bad that Q is gone. you know, Kyle leaving, the whole game got upends when Kyle got medevacs. Yeah, push the reset button on a lot of this

and it's totally different story. Okay. The merge is coming. Next week, a 17-person merge. We've started to give it some thought. Do you feel like that we are going to have a traditional vote coming up with 17 people? They got to split them in two, right?

Or some kind of like split, split mechanic. merge them and then split them. That's the survivor way. We'll bring you together to tear you apart. Well, I wonder, could we have one merge vote coming up? And then the traditional new era trope of, okay, next week, could it be a double tribal council, you know, eight and eight after we get through one person at 17?

I kind of feel like that might be the way that they would do it. And if you were ever going to do a split tribal council and break it up into two groups, I know we complain about every time. This does feel like the right season to do that where you have to get rid of all these people and then you end up, you'll be down to a little bit of a more manageable 14 after that. Yeah.

And also, you know, because, you know, we have all this history between these contestants because we've had a swap, which adds a lot more like complexity to the dynamics, I almost feel like that split up will be a little more exciting. Although, again, like having a merge just to bring them apart a little bit silly.

A little bit silly. Sure. So it is day 11, I think, at the end of this episode. By the end of the next episode, I think it's going to be day 13. We're going to be halfway through this season. How did that happen? I know. It's too soon.

This is so great. I'm just like loving this season so much. Every episode is so great. Everything that happens, even the things I don't want to happen are I love. The players are so fun. Rob, you, you, Rob, were a little bit down on this cast when it was announced. Were you, I don't know if you were. A lot of people were a little bit down on this cast when it was announced.

I could talk about this. You are more, and between the two of us, you are more negative. Have you, has your opinion changed? My opinion on how they cast this, I think, stays consistent. I think everybody who is here is worthy of being an all-star survivor player. My argument was always that a lot of the people we rushed back onto the show that we have all the time in the world, presumably knock on wood, to see the people from Survivor 48 and 49 play on future seasons where I think that there was a opportunity cost of bringing back five people

from the last two seasons where there were other people that we will likely never get to see play Survivor again, that we missed that opportunity to have them come back and play. So I think everybody has brought it so far in Survivor 50, but I am still sad. I'm still grieving the version of Survivor 50, which was Oops, All Legends. Yeah, I do think that has, I mean, I like a little bit of the randomness of like, who's this person? And they're interacting with, you know, Surrey and they're interacting with, you know, Aussie and coach. Like, to me, that's some of the fun of it. But I do think that, like, the richest material has been, you know, the coach and Aussie rivalry.

Or like, Surrey's back at it again, you know. And so I do think there's something. And, you know, Colby, like, can't hear. And now his foot's broken. Yeah, what happened to Colby? like I had an off-screen injury? Yeah, Colby's whole storyline is being injured. I think we all regret, you know, no Lauren Rimmer on this season.

No, you know, like what, this is obviously a joke. But overall, it's really fun. I get like, I kind of like the Rams. Yeah, I have no complaints about the episodes of Survivor 50. I think maybe too much Zach Brown fishing. But other than that, like it has been largely, you know, super super fun you know we're looking like nine out of ten it's been a really really strong start to the season and everybody has really been firing on all cylinders yeah including you great great great

well and it's been really funny i feel like the show has gotten you know a little bit of like it's it's humor bad oh what did you think of jeff probst's impersonations you're a classic impersonationist so yeah i felt like that maybe the reason why they didn't need me on survivor 50 He was like, Jeff's like, hey, hold my beer. I'll do the impressions, a funny guy, okay? Yeah. So, yeah, Jeff did Jonathan. He did, who else?

He did Colby. He did Colby, yeah. And they did Christian. Yeah. In front of Christian, which is, as somebody who does impressions, that's the bravest thing to do. It's easy to do Jonathan and Colby when they're not there. They're not there.

Harder to do Christian in front of Christian. Yeah. Are you surprised Christian didn't sort of pick up and kind of start riffing with him about the Christian of it all? I think that he handled it very gracefully. I think that when Jeff is doing an impression of you, I think you just sit and you absorb it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Like a sponge. Yeah. And I think for anybody who is out there listening to impressions, when the person is doing it, after the person gets done doing an impression, don't say, uh, that sucks or that doesn't sound like that person. or that actually sounds more like this other person. Sounds like you might have some baggage there. Don't like that when, especially if I'm on a podcast with somebody and I do an impression. And the person,

the other person on the podcast is like, what was that supposed to be this person? Was that? Are you talking about me? I don't think you've done that. I don't think you've done that. But it has definitely happened to me. And kind of like, just like, like, ha, ha, ha,

you know, chuckle and move on. Yeah. I understand. I'm with you. Okay. That being said, Stephen, are you ready to award the most prestigious award in all of Survivor? Are you ready to hand out the fishy? Yes, thank you, Eric Barger, for the Fishy Award theme song.

So I think it's pretty cut and dry this time. First of all, I don't, like, just talking really briefly about the Vatu tribe, the Christian, Ozzie Angelina tribe. Also, Emily, Stephanie, so no, nobody gets mad at me. I'm not sure this is the right move for Ozzy, who seemed to be the primary decision maker here. Like, I feel, like for all reasons stated, that Ozzy probably was better served actually to eliminate Christian here.

I am kind of curious what Angelina's perspective is, my view is that Emily had to maybe have stepped in and save Christian because I just don't see, or like maybe Ozzy feel some kind of loyalty to that original CILA group, but I don't love this move for Ozzy. I think it was, I think, I think you should, he should have blindside Christian. On the other hand, like, on the Sela tribe, it did really seem like Rizzo just came, you know,

came out of nowhere, right? You had this Kalo 4. They were all, initially targeting him. They'd brought in Rick. It seemed like a pretty cut and dried boat. D is the one who seems to initially going to go to Rizzo. And so, like, I wonder, like, does D deserve the fishy here? But it did seem like Rizzo was the one who, you know,

He recruited Camilla. He built this bond with Surrey to the point that Surrey is saying, like, I've never done this. We're married. Yeah. I've never shared this. Yeah. Watch out, HB. Yeah.

And Rizzo is Mr. Stylia girl. And somehow he manages to just like tell everybody about how great he is while also having everybody on his side. He tells many people he has the idol. The idol is not flushed. I kind of think you have to give it to Rizzo. What do you think? I think that's, to give it to Rizzo.

I think that. All right. is, oh, first fishy of the season, not first fishy of all time. First fishy of the season. I thought that there was a point for Camilla as a swingboat, but I just think that in terms of the body of work that he did, and the number of things that he did right in this episode, many of which I thought would not work.

I think that you have to give him just another fishy to add to his collection. Yeah. Yeah, he just playing a great game. like again like very very seem like a straight-buck consensus vote and he uh he he works it do we have an answer and maybe this is something that uh the great survivor fact checker might be able to uh someday unearth of do we have an all-time leader aboard uh for the fishyy it almost has to be russell i feel like russell got every fishyy and survivor's 19 and 20 like i would be surprised if it wasn't russell there is like a chart yeah like an excel doc i'd love to know sort of like who's on mount

fish more. Yeah. The top four. Five, baby. Yeah. Because the thing about the fishy, you started doing it in Samoa. So it's only people who played from season 19 through now going into season 50. Did you

award fishies during second chances? I think I did actually. Yeah. Yeah. I think I did it. I did. Yeah. Okay. I was blogging about it for people still. Yeah. So, okay, so I think that that's an interesting trivia question of who's the all-time leader in

Fisie Awards. Yeah. I mean, I really think it has to be Russell. Just because there were those two seasons where like literally they were the Russell Hand show like back to back. Yeah. He might even stole one in Survivor, Redemption Island.

Yeah, I think he had one in Redemption Island. He might add one also. So, okay, very interesting. And so we'll see. We've got a lot of other podcasts to do here this week between the exit interviews and everything else we have coming up here on R-H-A-P. Plus, Stephen, we are. We are really in it with the countdown to The Tribe and I have spoken.

We're just about- It's close, right? Yeah, we're just about six weeks away from the book coming out, but we just announced earlier on Wednesday that the tribe and I have spoken is available as an audio book as well. I have been hard at work here in the studio of recording the audiobook of the tribe and I have spoken. And if the tribe and I have spoken, don't you want to hear it? check it out. You can pre-order all of it at rob has-hazabook.com.

And we've got our brand-new merch that we talked about the other day from the traders, hobnobbing with the glitterati. It's all available to check out. Rob has website.com slash merch. I got to get my glitterati shirt. I know. I'm going to get a glitterati shirt too. I love it.

Yeah. We got to send Steve in a glitterati shirt. Okay. Yeah. All right. And the body is tea as well. I won't. You need that one, too?

Yeah. All right. When, of course, Stephen is still talking about escape. Still, still and forever. I feel like we can take this one off. I do have an event in Toronto on April 8th. And I might be going to Australia in October. What?

But like for Australia, Australia, yeah. So that's what I'm hoping to some literary festival. Have you been to Australia before? No, this will be my first time in Australia. It's exciting. I mean, if it happens, it would be, amazing. Yeah. There's going to be a ton of Australian Survivor fans that are dying

to me, you. I would love that. That would be incredible. But April 8th, most saliently, I will be in Toronto right before the Survivor episode. Such great scheduling, Stevens. Such great schedule. All right. Then we'll also have everything coming up for you this week. I'll talk with Adam

on Thursday and then on Sunday we'll have Rachel Lamont and then the hilarious Mary Holland will join me on Tuesday. So be on the lookout. for that. Then check out everything else going on in the Survivor podcast feed, including the B&B, the double episode of Why a Blank Lost this week. And then, of course, the Survivor News with Bryce and Wendell and Jack breaking it all down from this episode. On Friday, I'll have a special later time for the patron Q&A. Around 6 p.m. Eastern, I will be taking your questions live. Sometimes we've been

earlier, sometimes we've been later, trying to get opportunities for all people. to give me a call coming up on Friday, patron only. Then we'll also have Club Condo. It was another great Club Condo this week. Chappelle has been on fire this season in Club Condo. So be joining us on Monday night to talk about everything from another great episode of Survivor 50. And of course, just a couple of weeks away from the big week that my book is coming out. We'll have maybe the, I think, officially the biggest live show we've ever done in news.

York City. How many people? Well, the theater holds 1400 and we're trending towards a sellout event, Robbinswebson.com slash events to get tickets for the big live show

coming up on May 6th. And then we have so much fun every Wednesday night and all week long over on chat BCC. Go to robesweb website.com slash VIP chat and yuck it up with all of the alumni. They say the stuff there that they can't say on social media. They really do.

They really do. Because they don't worry yet by getting dragged on chat, BCC. Yeah, yeah. It's a drag-free zone. And if you're an alumni, you should get on there because they drag you if you're not on there. They say, who's not here? And then that's who they drag them. And I'm like, hey, should you have said that?

That wasn't very nice. That wasn't kind. That wasn't kind. I say that in the private chat. That was a little unkind. And they're like, whatever. text messages. I got to get,

I got to get reactions. Yeah, that's right. It's a competition to get the most likes and reactions. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

As is life. Steven, what else is coming up for you? You know, I'm just awarding fishies, you know, going to, you know,

I'm somehow, yeah, the book stuff is winding down and I'm working on the next thing. Yeah, big next things, I'm sure. So,

Stephen, this was a delight tonight. Yeah, this was great. I've extremely fun episode. sad ending, but, you know, a lot of boys along the way. This was always going to be the price of Survivor 50. We were going to start and we were going to lose our faves week after week.

That's what it was. We agreed to this. Yeah. Well, you know, with great happiness comes great pain. Pain, yeah. For every up, there's a down. And that's what this is. All right.

Every rose has its story. Yes. All right. Stephen, thank you so much to everyone who joined us here tonight. Thank you so much. Can't wait to read what you have to say in the comments. and take care of a good one. Bye. I'm always looking for those

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