RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 6 Recap

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 6 Recap Survivor 50 heats up as Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach reunite for Survivor Know-It-Alls, unpacking one of the season’s most loaded nights—the much-anticipated Blood Moon twist. This episode brings triple Tribal Councils, shifting alliances, and tough calls, all against the backdrop of a historic Survivor moment. The hosts dissect how Jonathan finds himself at the center of a new school vs. old school showdown, and why his decision could echo through the rest of the game. Things get off to a wild start as the castaways are split into three groups, each facing their own high-stakes Tribal Council. Rob and Stephen break down the emotional boot of Colby, the chaotic exit of Genevieve after a swap screw and Shot in the Dark gamble, and the dramatic decision that sees Kamilla voted out instead of Tiffany. Strategic gameplay is front and center, from Stephenie’s timely immunity win blocking an obvious vote, to Chrissy’s subtle social maneuvering that flips the script without drawing heat. The hosts also dig into Cirie’s analysis of old school versus new school gameplay—and what it means for alliances moving forward. Plus, the Applebee’s reward brings more than just fuel for camp life as RiceGod and Ozzy forge a surprising connection. – Jonathan’s critical swing vote and why he sides with the old schoolers – Chrissy’s masterful play at Tribal—both in front of allies and foes – The unusual luck (or lack of it) that defines Genevieve’s Survivor journey – Stephenie’s clutch immunity win saving her tribe status – Cirie’s breakdown of alliance loyalty in a changing Survivor era As the Blood Moon fades, new lines are drawn and the fallout is set to reshape Survivor 50’s merger dynamics. Did Jonathan make the right call for his long-term game? Can anyone bridge the new school-old school divide, or is another major flip looming? Tune in for the full deep dive on all the strategy, blindsides, and confessional drama from this jam-packed Survivor 50 episode. Don’t miss the hosts’ takes on idol plays, alliance chaos, and those unforgettable Tribal moments! Chapters: 0:00 Survivor Merge and Blood Moon 6:27 Jonathan Chooses Old School Alliance 16:26 Old School Versus New School Debate 24:08 Genevieve’s Unlucky Survivor Exit 32:31 Aubry Eliminates Genevieve Twist 39:02 Cirie Defines Survivor School Eras 46:16 Emotional Farewell to Colby 51:48 Ozzy and Rizo’s Exile Alliance 53:48 Blood Moon Twist Lands or Misses 57:01 Chrissy Earns the Blood Moon Fishy To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com To order Stephen’s novel Escape!, visit stephenfishbach.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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The Survivor No-It-Alls are back. What a night to talk about a historic blood moon, Stephen Fishback. How are you? Great. Not just a survivor blood moon, but also Passover. Happy Passover, everybody. Feels like that branding was right there. The day.

Right there. Pharaoh, you know, the sons of the Egyptians are killed. God passes over the Israelites and smites. The first son of the Egyptians. Survivor Colby Donaldson. Why not Passover? It's right there.

You know, why do they have to come up with this blood moon stuff? Legend of Zelda. Legend of Zelda. I don't know. The base of the bad guys maybe we're going to come back,

but no, that's not what happened. And the blood moon, we'll talk about it. I think I'm going to resist the urge to dive into the twist and whether that should be

on trial. We'll talk about it for sure here tonight with you, Stephen Fishback, on a survivor know-it-all's a little bit different. here tonight because I am coming to you

on the road. I am in Atlanta where I will be going to the Ron Clark Academy in just a little bit to be part of festivities here in Atlanta, but we decided this is a earlier in the day we got together

with the help of we did get the advanced copy of the episode to talk about it here before if you're wondering how I'm in two places at once. That's how we're doing it here tonight. Ding. Nothing takes precedence over hop. Rob will bend the spacetime continuum so that he gives the hobnob with the glitterati.

There at the loss, Clark Academy. The Roborati, they even call it sometimes now. Stephen, how are you? I'm great. The Survivor merge is always one of the most fun episodes of the season. And as you know, the Survivor merge is where the contestants are split into three groups and they all sort of vote someone off. Yeah. I mean, that's how it would be.

hard for us to complain about this too much because we've said for years in the new era of like, it's not even a merge. What are you doing? How do you merge? And then you can't vote. Yeah, that's the bit. That's the bit. This was technically, they were on the same beach, even though they did not all vote together. So I do think that the blood moon was progress from where we were during the ages of Merchator. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Definitely progress. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, how do you feel about the blood moon? Is that good branding, I mean, you know, let's put Survivor Passover aside. Is the blood moon

good branding or bad? Is the moon involved in Passover? No, no. Not really. You know, I mean, in as much as it's like, you know, a part of the sky, you know, where Yawa resides. Yeah. So, I thought that the branding is confusing. I don't hate that they

tried it. I think it's season 50. They have 24 people. They needed to do some big things to get rid of people. Have some fun. So, so again, we'll talk it through, but I think that there was neither blood nor the moon. I guess it was a red tribal council. I don't know. I wasn't sure if it like necessarily like you

if you hear like oh they did a blood moon on Survivor, wow, what is that? When they do three tribal councils in one night. Like, oh, okay. Why is it a blood moon? Nobody knows. Classic blood moon. Just tried to thread it, but I don't know if it necessarily worked out. But yeah, big week on the podcast,

three exit interviews coming up here tomorrow. The blood moon of exit interviews. A blood moon of exit interviews. It will be for yours truly as I get to speak with Colby and Camilla and Genevieve on a triple header on the exit interview. Only really

on the finale do we get that many exit interviews. So that's what's coming up on a big Thursday on the podcast. And I'm going to travel home and then we hope to have some interviews I'm going to get at the Ron Clark Academy. Plus I will be catching up with old friend of the pod. Aris

Bushkowskis is going to join me up. That's nice. I love to hear that. Yeah, so a fun catch-up with artists coming up here to round out our Blood Moon Week. So, Stephen, I'd love to, we have three tribal councils to talk through. I think that the one, certainly the most emotional one was Colby. I think that maybe the most controversial one is going to be Genevieve. But I think the one that probably has the most long-term game implications is going to be Jonathan. and there was, it had not really come to the forefront of this idea of new school versus old school.

Maybe it was running in the background a little bit of a Cold War, but it seems like that the first battle of new school versus old school was fought in with Jonathan really being the person who cast a decisive blow for the old school. Yes. And it's interesting because this swap or whatever we're going to, going to call it. This merge, this blood moon tribe grouping. There are four people from original Kalo and normally you'd think, oh, this is quite easy. They can just pile on Stephanie. But Stephanie wins immunity. Like the one person not on the original tribe is the only person with immunity of Stephanie being original VATU. So Jonathan has this very interesting decision between sticking with Camilla who, let's not forget, literally blindsided him the previous

night and sticking with you know the Chrissy and I guess Stephanie to get rid of one of the newscllers. Yeah. It was tough with the tribes of five because it felt like that in most of these tribal councils it was kind of a foregone

conclusion who was going to be the person who goes home in these groupings of five. So I think that that's maybe if there were different dynamics where it didn't feel like that the cake was already baked, maybe that there would have been a little bit more intrigued to mine

with the new school, old school. Did you feel like that Jonathan's decision was in doubt for you at any point? No, I mean, only because it seemed like, I mean, honestly, I thought Chrissy's pitch was just strong. I mean, you know, again, like, Camilla had literally just voted against him. I thought

Chrissy's pitch was stronger than kind of Camillas. You know, Camillas was like, where we've got this alliance, we're working together. And again, she literally voted against his alliance the previous night. And then Crici's like, listen, they're not going to vote for you at the end if you get there, which I think is a great call.

Like, they're not, right? Like, you don't, I mean, Camilla's not going to vote for Jonathan at the end, you know. And Chrissy keeps saying, we're cut from the same cloth. And I actually think that's a really- She did keep saying that. Yeah, well, we saw it twice. And like, again, like, we see something twice. Like, it was like Christian had some like thing that he did twice.

You know, you're like, if you see it twice, they probably said it 40 times. Actually on the beach. So, you know, she said, we're cut from the same cloth. I think that's a really compelling case. Not only are we like natural allies here, but if one of us makes it to the end, we're going to be more inclined to vote for each other. And that's really what's being decided here in this vote

because this is the last vote to get rid of someone who will be on the jury. I never thought that Jonathan's decision was in doubt. I always thought that he was going with the Chrissy and Stephanie group. I was surprised that the vote ended up being for Camilla and not for Tiffany. and I have to say, you know, it's been such a talking point this week about all of the confessionals. I think that the confessional chart might be in shambles tonight

because I, by my unofficial count, Tiffany had about eight or nine confessions in this episode, but you know, I'm like, uh-oh, visibility spike, uh-oh, this could be it for Tiffany. And Tiffany does survive the episode here tonight. And the big night for like a breakout night for her. The fans' voices were heard. You complained? they're editing Tiffany into the show

and apparently editing Mr. Beast out of the show. No, I don't know about any of that. I don't think that they're re-editing any of the shows, but it was a very visible week for Tiffany. I thought, though, that Jonathan and Camilla, I think that they've been a fun pair to watch over the course of this season. And anytime they're on the screen that he's so large in stature,

she's so small, anytime, like, they shook hands at one point and it was hilarious and adorable. Like I kind of wanted to see a Jonathan Camilla alliance together, and I kind of felt like that we had not seen Jonathan and Tiffany really interact at all during the season. So I kind of thought that Jonathan would come down on the side of old school, but I thought that he would come down on the side of, let me keep my options open with Camilla that's still an inroads back into D, where Tiffany had been separated from,

we had a conversation with Jonathan and D earlier. I'm sorry, Jonathan and Dee earlier in the episode. So I kind of thought that he would want to keep those lines of communication open. I felt like that Tiffany seemed more disconnected because she had been swapped away from that group and them for longer.

And so I just was surprised it ended up being Camilla. And I will say with Camilla, I was so excited for Camilla last week that I really felt like that she was the swing vote on last week's vote. And I really, I almost made a video about this, that I was so excited.

As a Camilla fan, I felt like that she was really put into the backseat in Survivor 48. And I kind of thought with the Charlie vote, she had now been in the swing position that we never really got to see. I felt like that last week was like the start of the fully formed Camilla where she was not going to have to be playing second fiddle to Kyle or the alliance. And I'm like, okay, here we go. Like, let's get, let's go, Camilla. And then this was a buzzkill. And I know we got to lose people, but it was a bus kill to lose Camilla because I felt like that she was just getting started.

Do you think that this was based on the season edit? You know, I mean, Chrissy kind of makes this point. We just saw Camilla on our screen. She was driving the bus over people. She's so devious. She's so unobtrusive. You know, are we, let's get her out now versus Tiffany. We certainly saw her to be a.

strong game player, but she didn't go as deep into the season. And we saw maybe less of that aspect from her than we did from Camilla, where so much of Camilla's narrative on Survivor 48 was she's this secret person, like, working to undermine you in the shadows. Do you think that ultimately was

decisive here for Jonathan, or do you think some of it was, you know, if I have to choose between these two people, Camilla literally just voted against it. I really don't know. It's the kind of thing. If only there was a way to get more inside of what Chrissy is thinking in terms of the show, That would be very helpful in this decision.

But yeah, that is what she said, but we know how these survivors are. Sometimes they're just making the argument that they think is going to be convincing. And that's not what Chrissy actually thinks. I think it probably has more to do with the actual dynamics of the Kalo tribe. And if you remember, I believe,

and I'm not sure which the tribes are, Chrissy had been swapped with Tiffany that they were on the same tribe with Genevieve and Aubrey. So Chrissy probably has a relationship. with Tiffany, that is much stronger than the relationship she had with Camilla. So I would suspect that that probably had more to do with the bonds that Chrissy and Tiffany had on that second swap tribe and that Chrissy and Camilla really never had hit it off

back in the early part of the game where we saw Tiffany and Chrissy and D all talking about we should vote out Chrissy. Now, you had said you were never in doubt about Jonathan voting with the old schoolers. Yes. A, Y, and two, is that the right choice? Well, I think we'll see if it's the right choice. It seems like that next week we're really going to have a lot of fallout about this, where after this, even at this vote,

everybody was really trying to pressure Jonathan of like, hey, everybody's going to look at how we voted tonight, and there's going to be a lot assumed about how this decision got made. It's interesting about Jonathan's decision. if I may just go back to Jonathan's origin story where the swap has been a big part, the split vote swap has been a big part of Jonathan's origin story where as I was watching this episode today,

I started to think back to, of course we all remember the Drea and Marianne Tribal Council in Survivor 42, and that too came in a split tribal council. And I do believe in that setup, I believe that Jonathan was the only man in a swap group with all women at that group. And that was such a big moment in Jonathan's origin story

where he's trying to lead the vote against Drea. And then we have that powerful tribal council where Dreya looks at the people on the jury in Chanel and Roxroy. And then everything plays out where Drey and Marianne both play their idols and they're not going home. And that was like a big moment in Jonathan's story. and then to have again in, you know, history echoes

another really huge moment in the story of Jonathan to be in this split tribal council, again, the only man in a group with, I believe also four other women to go to tribal council and then, you know, have it be a very big turning point in his game. Yes, really interesting. Do you think it's the right? I mean, I guess like you, do you think you're Jonathan?

I don't want to, like, I do feel like that, you know, even going back from the preseason, I think we had talked about this idea of, yeah, Jonathan is a new school person, but doesn't he also kind of fit more in with the old school type mentality of the Colby's? And Joe is the other new schooler who plays like an old schooler. And so those were the people, it seemed like that he felt more at home with than some of the people that were from the, new school. And so it seemed like that, especially the old school women seem to have an appreciation

for Jonathan in a way that it seems like that the new school, the new era women did not really flock to Jonathan in the same way. Is it even old school or is it just old? You know, like it's like the people over 40 and the people under 40. It's like truly like if it's Joe and Jonathan, who's even old school in this group? It's Stephanie. And I say old being, I think maybe one of the older people. Later days, we like to say that later days. That's right. Yes. As a 47 year old, I can say this.

You know, if you're looking at the people, like it's Stephanie, it's Colby who's no longer there. Of course, they don't know that. You know, coach, you know, is Chrissy old school? Does that make Christian old school? Like, who's old school here? Do you feel like she's not with the old school group? Yeah. So you feel like it's more of like a, this is like millennials versus Gen Z type

situation or like Gen X Gen X versus Gen Z and some millennials. Is Ozzy with the old school group? I think Ozzy is, but he's also aligned with Rizzo is his number one. Well, Rizzo I think is the other person. He's like the under the radar person from the new era that's also flipped to the

new school. So we don't have too many people. To the old school, yes. So I think that this would be great to get out the whiteboard this week and figure out where we stand after all of this from the blood moon. But we're still just trying to sort things out here. right after the episode.

But for Jonathan, it seems like that there will be a price to pay. He will be, certainly, you would imagine that after he tried to patch things up with D, D will be very upset about this. And will it matter? Are there enough people left from the new era to be very upset with Jonathan?

And again, I want to bring it back to literally the last tribal council. they blindsided Charlie, who was on their original tribe, who was number one allies with Jonathan, like you lose some strong alliance credibility when you blindside your own ally who's part of the original. Like that's always been, and that was last week we were saying,

like this is the reason not to do that, is suddenly you're like, you're creating this fracture in the group. Like so much of any alliance is just the belief in the alliance. And as soon as like one person votes out someone from within the alliance, all bets are off, I think. You have fractured this sort of like, you know, it's like, it's like trust takes like a lifetime to build and a moment to shatter or whatever, right? Wow.

Yeah. But as soon as the alliance, the sort of infrastructure of it has been shattered, we see it again and again and again every single season. Once that first blow is struck, it's not like you can suddenly repair it. Then all bets are off. Yeah. It does feel as though that is a theme in the season where that you kind of should just go. and it's sort of like the opposite of the big moves ideology of survivor of, hey, just go where the gettons good.

I'm sure I don't want to mix up my colloquialisms here. But it's sort of like, hey, go with the flow for a while. Because at the moment you don't go with the flow, then you make enemies who are going to now be incentivized to work against you. And it does feel like that Camilla, while I saw what she wanted to do last week, It does feel like to stick with Jonathan in that vote and stick with Charlie and take out Rizgod that maybe she had the least to gain out of working with Rizzo out of the other three people that voted with him in that. Ceri seemed like that she got really close to Rizzo. D also seemed like that she had lots of reasons why she wanted to work with Rizzo.

Other than Rizzo telling Camilla that Kyle said I should work with you, it seemed like that she. She maybe was putting her eggs in the, I'm going to work with D and Surrey basket more so than, hey, this is, I'm picking up this great new ally in the Rizgod. And what they don't realize about Rizzo is that then Rizzo will have pen confessions saying this is why I'm a mastermind, and I'm the best ever, and this is my idea, and I'm a legend. Like, you know, Jonathan's had a lot of screen time.

So Jonathan is a screen time threat, no question. But he doesn't necessarily, you know, he feels like he's more like, yeah, I got to make changes. and I got to make my new allies and I've got to like find a new way. And Rizzo's just going to like blow you out of the water taking credit for everything. Yeah.

They also went to Applebee's. Do you think that's going to Applebee's in any way? Did that hurt the scrambling at all for this group? Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's time. I always feel like the food reward like makes you sharper, right? But then it's also there's like a rum reward too. I don't know if the rum reward makes you sharp.

Yeah, this is the shark polls. You know, yeah, I don't want to move on to the next tribal councils without talking a little bit more about, Chrissy, who I think that really was really, really great. I know it's been so much about Chrissy's lack of confessionals. I thought she had a really great one in this episode where she talked about how

people were going to be writing her name down and that she could go home tonight. But I don't think that's going to happen. It really is shades of Sandra, but I don't know about that. So, Chrissy, I thought, was really a very convincing force.

And you saw her really put the full court press on. Jonathan in this episode. That goes back to the premiere where we saw Jonathan and Chrissy talking about, hey, we should vote against D. And it seemed like that Jonathan and Chrissy seemed like that they had a relationship going back to the first version of the Kalo tribe. And really good on Chrissy for making the convincing case to Jonathan on what he should do. And the other side of that, too, is the way Chrissy played it off with Tiff and Camilla, just being like, listen, if you have to vote for me, I understand.

You know, really playing dead. And I thought it was very convincing, you know? I really kind of thought she did a really great job of that. I thought, wow, Chrissy's really lying down for this one. I can't believe it, not Chrissy. And then we saw that it was a ruse. So, you know, kudos to her because, you know, we saw certainly in one, you know, in the group with Rick,

where this fear of the shot in the dark was so animating to everybody, kept everybody really agitated. for Chrissy to kind of play this way with Tiff and Camilla, I thought was very well, you know, very well executed too. Kudos to Chrissy as well at the Applebee's reward that she did the thing of the, hey, everybody, could we just put the game on pause here for a minute? Someone's got to say that at every reward.

But somebody that's going to say that every reward, but that I think that Chrissy knew she had the hand that was going to work out that night. I think that that Chrissy was from the point of the person who says, hey, let's nobody scramble. That's like the Boston Rob, the buddy system of, hey, I've got this on lock. It behooves me for everybody to put their swords down, where I think if Chrissy was on the bottom in that spot,

I think that she does not say, hey, everybody, let's just put the game on pause for a minute. I think you put the game on pause when you're winning and you're trying to run out the clock. That's really funny. So you think the Applebee's reward did help. Chrissy here where she kind of had it locked up. Yeah, that's really interesting. I have a question for you, Rob, about tribal council order.

Now, in my mind, the correct order for these tribal councils would have been Colby tribal first, because they dropped first. Yes. The Genevieve tribal second, because they dropped second, and then this tribal last because Stephanie won at all. And there were three of these people up, including Camilla, who goes home. You know, she should have gotten the best placement. I'm wondering, do you think that they ordered this?

Instead, they did it in order of placement, instead of reverse order of placement. Because they thought Colby would be the most emotional exit, because they knew who's going home. You know who's going home. It's such a good question. And we'll never get the end. This is like we need the On Fire podcast to come back. But I do think you're right. I suspect that I think that that's the case where they felt like, hey, we've got our stars in Surrey and Coach and Colby going to this tribal council.

It's going to be made. And they thought maybe when they were like, because they got to make that call earlier on in the day. And I think that they looked at things and then they probably, maybe they didn't know if it's, oh, is it Camilla or Tiffany? Okay, all right, that's one tribal council. It's probably going to be Genevieve based off of how things are going in the second tribal council.

And then, okay, it's either going to be coach or Colby. We know that's going to be what we're going to like. That's going to be the big emotional like for the legacy of the show. And so we'll structure it that way because it did seem like, because sometimes you wonder, did they air it, the order that it happened. But I do believe that Jeff said during the tribal council where Camilla got voted out that this is the first tribal council of the night. Yeah. And I think they also said like the ex person voted out, you know, is so and so. They can always do that

later. It's a great question. It's a great question about you. Let's talk about the second tribal council. And I do want to talk about Genevieve where this story that has been brewing since the premier of Genevieve versus Aubrey, in my mind, a bit of a bit of an upset that it's Aubrey who ends up striking the decisive blow against Genevieve. And so I want to talk about Aubrey's perseverance and how good this

must feel about Aubrey in a minute. But I want to start off by talking about how I think that Genevieve's run here in Survivor 50, I would like to posit. My belief is that Genevieve in this season was the unluckiest survivor player of all time. Genevieve came back into Survivor 50.

She had a whole new approach. She forms a rock solid alliance to start off the game with Kyle, with Q, with Colby and Stephanie, and even the Risgod. She's in a great spot at the start of the game. Kyle,

medical evacuation, there's a swap. Q ends up getting taken off the board. Colby is gone after tonight and ends up being hobbled. That being said, as she persevered. Genevieve finds not one, but two idols in the pre-merge,

ends up in a swap-screw, must-play an idol situation with zero idols. Thanks for nothing, Billy Eilish. Maybe that's why we haven't seen you showing up. Maybe you know what you did to Genevieve. Okay? And Genevieve's a social game,

I thought, was on great display throughout the game with her allies. It was a little bit of a dangerous game, but not a game that we haven't seen many of the other Survivor Great to play. of I'm going to have great bonds with my friends. People are going to know where I stand. And then I also have people that I'm not working with.

And that was Aubrey. And she ends up being on the starting tribe with Aubrey and that she gets swapped with Aubrey. And then she has the misfortune here to get swapped a second time with Aubrey, who happens to also have an idol that she did not found, which was gifted to her by Rick and Christian, who happened to also be in this small group of people that she ends up with.

And so Genevieve, I felt like that overall, I thought it was such a strong return, but I have to say that the number of things that ended up being out of Genevieve's control in this game, to me are staggering. And I think it's a great case why Genevieve could be the unluckiest person. This is the most unfavorable outcome where, you know, sometimes you had pocket aces and you don't win the hand. And to me, that's what I feel like happened to Genevieve.

Yeah, I think that's such a great analysis, Rob. You're absolutely right. She got so unlucky. I mean, you articulated it perfectly. I guess I'll say the same thing for a few. Please. You just said, yeah. But, I mean, the point about the point that you made about like,

I mean, we even discussed, you know, if she goes out with having had the opportunity that found these two idols and not have any idols, wouldn't that be so annoying? But your point, I think you really put the cherry on top there with, she's in this swap screw situation where she knows she needs an idol. And she doesn't have any of this artillery that she actually herself found. The fact that she gets swapped onto this tribe,

which is like literally four people, you know, four people who are all besties, three of whom were on a starting tribe together. Aubrey's the person that they gifted the idol to. And, you know, she just is so completely out of luck here. I thought her pitch to Christian was actually really good. You know, she says that everyone's looking at you as the rats they have to get rid of. Maybe that's the word rats. File that away for the future of that.

I don't think that that Genevievees is making that up. No, I think that's legit where like we need to get rid of this little cohort, like the sort of gamer trio. And that logic has worked on Christian. You know, we just saw him turn on the David versus Goliath three because he was perceived as such so much of a group. And, you know, she makes the case, this is happening to you here. Like, which, you know, you can imagine would be compelling. to Christian in this situation. Of course, Rick is his actual number one, unlike, you know,

micro-angelina. So not such a great, you know, doesn't work. But yes, I mean, great game from Genevieve, really fun. The only, you know, a slight misstep is like how much, at least from the edit, we saw her being like, so Aubrey, you know, even today with Surrey, where Cerri's like, says to her something like, so how are you, lady? And Genevieve's like, I'm fine, but Aubrey, do you know about Aubrey? You know, it should have worked out for her.

Like she should have been okay. It ends up being where that she put herself out there and it was an unlucky turn in terms of that she ended up in the like the one situation that where she would have gone home. If Genevieve was on any of those other groups, I think she would have been fine through this public council. And so for Genevieve, I'd love to see Genevieve get to play again. The Survivor Gods, it should have worked out in her favor that the shot in the dark

should have hit to make up for some of this bad luck that she had along the way. Let me give you a Monday morning quarterback for Genevieve, though. Going back to last week's tribal council, you had two tribes going to tribal council. Should Genevieve, you know you have this situation that has gotten a little toxic with Aubrey, should Genevieve had work to throw a challenge here and take out Aubrey because Genevieve could not have known that the blood moon was coming, but Genevieve does know that there will be tribal councils, we're going to break people up into different groups,

that there could be a situation where I could get into some sort of a small group. There's still like 18 people out here or 19 people at that point in the game. Should Genevieve, in a situation where two tribes are going to tribal council, you do assume that the merge is around the corner, should Genevieve have considered you have the votes against Aubrey here, you have this new group that with coach and Colby and Joe, should that have been on the table for Genevieve to potentially want to go to a tribal council and take out Aubrey in that spot?

I don't know. I mean, because she is suspicious that Aubrey has an idol and very well in that same situation because she could be idle, she could have been idle out of the game. And then we'd be saying, Genevieve, you're an idiot. You threw a challenge and got idled out even though you suspected Aubrey had an idol. Instead of this situation where she got so unlucky. If she had swapped, you know, I mean, to be fair, like both Rizzo and Ozzy, the two people she gave idols to are out of commission here. But if they hadn't been the ones to find, I mean, it's be another aspect of her unluckiness.

If they hadn't been the ones on exile, maybe one of them gets on a tribe with her and can save her in this situation. But literally, the two people she's gifted idols to are both on exile together with each other. If she had perfect information, I wonder if she could have gotten Rick and Christian to fly. flip and vote out Joe. But I don't think she knew the backstory there. Yeah. Is there a world where she could have pitched? I mean, I guess she doesn't know. Well, she does know that Rick is the one who gave Aubrey the boom ring idol. Maybe she did pitch to him. Hey, let's get rid of Aubrey and let's get that boomering idol over to you. Oh, yeah, that would be actually be a pretty good pitch as well. But unfortunately, it did not work out. I do want now I want to talk about

from Aubrey's perspective because this must have been such a vindicating moment for Aubrey where Aubrey who has had such an interesting ride herself now and we have to look at it now from her perspective she really started

on the bottom on that drive where she and Angelina were kind of frozen out with this big group that Genevieve was a part of with everybody now so many of those people that were the people that were at the top of that group in Colby in Q, in Genevieve.

Those people that were in the power at that original Vatu tribe, they're all gone. Aubrey somehow is still here. We saw her gain some pudding with Q and it really does seem as though when she got that Billy Elish boomerang idol and you saw the turn in her, it really was a turning point in her game

where she had kind of touched bottom and now turned it around and I could not imagine what a survivor dream it must be to have the person who is like the vein of your existence, your tormentor who's out there and that you end up in this situation

like my, my, my, how the tables have turned. Like that must have been truly delicious for Aubrey. Delicious. I, yes, what a great, what a great moment. Truly, truly, truly, a great moment to go from being, you know, and you said that Aubrey traditionally has a slow start,

but also just enjoy, general, that feeling of being frozen out, like from going from that to being with literally the people who have saved you in the game. Unbelievable. And we've even seen just her game kind of, we've seen so much of the joy bring, come back to her game. I think you're seeing her

build an alliance with coach. You know, she was like chatting with Jonathan. So it's really, really fun to see Aubrey kind of come back into her own and, you know, take control. Yeah. And Stephen, this is not the first time that Aubrey's big turning point in the game happens at the merge, where,

if you go back to Survivor Co. Wrong, she had a great ally in Neil Gottlieb, who Neil Gottlieb gets medically evacuated at the merge in Survivor Co-Rong. And Aubrey makes an analogy at that point in the game where she talks about

how in, I believe it's in the Oregon trail, about how your stage coach like broke an axle. And you know what? You got to keep going. And really, that was like a turning point in her game where she really did flip things around. at there. Like, Aubrey had not such a great

premurge in Survivor Co. Wrong, where she had some anxiety issues, and she had, like, remember the vote crossed out? And then she ends up coming back from that. But it's really, within the second half of that game, that she really started to find herself and heat up. And it does feel like that Aubrey is headed on a trajectory towards where

she could be ready to make a run here. And I think that she's kind of an under the radar person. She is loosely connected to the Christian and Rick, but I don't think that she's totally seen as part of it. I think that really Emily assumes that spot as sort of like being the third person. People do know about her idol. How about this? Was it a mistake for Aubrey to not flush her own idol in this spot?

Because I think that if Aubrey without an idol moves on, who's thinking about Aubrey at the next vote? that Genevieve's gone. Well, again, I think that, like, there's this danger of not just the person with the idol, because then it goes back to somebody else. You almost want to vote out the person who gifted them the idol more than you want to vote out the person with the idol because that, you know, that person has got no cover, but, you know, it's interesting. I haven't heard anybody say that. Yeah, if you vote out the person with the idol, then it goes right to the person who gave them the idol and they know they're in dangers. And suddenly, like, then you really got problems on your. hands instead of, but if you just vote out the person who gifted the idol first, and I honestly wonder if that at all factor, I mean, actually probably didn't. But like, that's a good reason to vote out Genevieve, right? It's like, even if you only know she gave one idol away, like, get rid of her now. And then that idol is just a normal idol. There's no boomerang. There's still Billy Eilish, but there's no boomerang. Yeah. Did you think for at all that the vote could change

to Joe after we saw Rick talking about Joe? Because it was such a big story in the second episode of the season, the rift between Rick and Joe. I don't think we ever saw them on screen in this small group having a conversation. Yeah. No, I don't think we did today, which is interesting because that's, you know, it did feel like that there was sort of drama there. But obviously, there was a lot going on in this episode. I thought it would not be crazy, but ultimately they were on a tribe together.

I'm sure they have bonds, you know, so much of that, the story around that was like, these are two heated guys and like, whatever. Now they can move on from that. and Joe ultimately votes with them, I believe. Like, there were no votes for Aubrey. Yeah. How about Christian winning the endurance immunity challenge here? And so, uh, kudos to Christian.

Yeah, this is his, uh, this is his skill set, right? Winning these like long endurance challenges. Yeah. Anything about Genevieve playing the shot in the dark. That was 100% the correct call, right? Oh, yeah. I loved your confessional too. Like, is the chance that Christian, is, like, sides with me less than,

or more than one in six. And of course the answer is no. So she, correct move, unlucky. You know, you saw like, it was cool to see Aubrey,

like, you know, ready to draw her guns if like, you know, the real guns came out. I do feel like I want to give Joe some credit. I thought that Joe definitely had the right read and then like, I don't think so.

I don't think that's going to. I don't think that's going to happen. Genevieve's like, really? I thought it seemed like, no. No. No.

No. That's that you've got to it. And so good on Joe. I also, I feel like that the Joe and Genevieve relationship, I wish I would have seen more about that because I think back to when I did the Survivor 48 exit interviews,

Joe cited Genevieve as being the type of player he could never understand. He could never understand how it, he unprompted, he told me, I don't understand how Genevieve could not make these type of emotional bonds with people. That's all you have out there. And then I kind of felt like that Joe and Genevieve

are never going to be on the same page in Survivor 50. But it seems like that they did get on the same page. I guess that by way of they had the same friends in Colby and coach, but we never really got to see it on screen. Yeah, it really seemed like Genevieve was part of this old school grouping that Joe was a part of. Yeah, Genevieve does seem like the prototypical new era player, but somehow it works out. And I've always said that people who are in subsequent seasons will have bonds with each other

that are sort of like almost like transcend rationality, you know, simply because they have just seen each other seasons within the full flush of their momentary celebrity. They see each other around at the parties. They're at the finale. And you often see, like, I mean, Survivor Cambodia, the final five were all people from two subsequent seasons. And I do think that sort of holds true

with how these relationships kind of form up. You brought up the old school and the new school. Surrey in this episode gave us a pretty concrete definition of the difference between old school. and new school with old school survivor, you know these people that you're gonna stick with your people. You're going to, this is my group, and this is who I'm sticking with. And the new school survivor is, hey, I may vote with you today.

I may not vote with you today, but I may vote with you again tomorrow. So let's keep our options open. Did you think that that was a fair assessment of old school versus new school? I think that's a great assessment of the different ideologies. What was interesting to me was that Surrey said, that's where the old era thinking is going to have a problem. And I wonder if that's true.

I mean, so much of a week, I mean, listen, I would never contradict Ceri. But so much of what we talk about is this idea that where the new school era goes wrong is they just are willing to vote out anybody. And they like, oh, that's my best friend. Let's get rid of that person. And they therefore

kind of lose all their allies. I mean, we literally are seeing that here with Camilla to a certain degree. And I wonder, like, do you think Surrey is right that that's worse for old school? Is it worse for old school? Yeah. So it's interesting where Surrey, I think, is

trying to, you know, have it both ways that she has the Ozzy and the Riz God where she's sort of like, okay, on one side I have my old school person, on the other side, I have my new school person, and I'm sort of going to have the best of both worlds. It seems like that there are more new school people

who feel that same way of like, hey, this is my group. I want to work with these people. where we have seen the new school a little bit cannibalize each other and have, like, reasons that are not sort of, whether it's like I need it for my resume, or I, you know, that this person reminds me of somebody that didn't vote for me in my season, or that there's other, it's a little bit more of just a, like, not great reasons. I'm sorry, I did not have the pheasaurus here for me for that word.

But the old school players do seem a little bit more, yeah, the old school players do seem like that they have a little bit more of a bond. And I've always said that the largest, tightest group is always going to win out on Survivor. It's like that group is just two. It's just Stephen and JT against that nobody else has that tight of a bond. And so it feels like that the old school players that there is a little bit more of like, hey, this is the group. We're not turning on it where the new school players are a little bit,

they can't get anything to really stick because they're always like reforming and looking for the next option. Yeah, and therefore they can't trust each other. Like they know they can't trust each other. So I'm personally, I think the old school way is a little bit better as just as just. But again, it's Ceri, so I would defer to Cereo over me.

I want to talk about the Colby Tribal Council and I thought that this was actually a pretty interesting lead up to the vote where, coach ends up himself getting caught up. I did call it coming in. I was, we got a token jean's flashback coming up here in this challenge. I was there. If you squinted, you could see me on the bench.

You know, in Heroes versus Villains, we, I believe coach gets voted out the tribal council before they do a version of this challenge. Colby was there for both, though. Colby has, I think, maybe a better, I don't think even a good performance in either time that he did this challenge. but they do it where it's five heroes versus five villains.

And so we end up finally getting coached to see him do this for the second time. And then it turned into a battle of, yeah, Dee's Big Toe versus Coach's Toe Ring. Which was going to be the bigger superpower here in this challenge? Dee ends up winning individual immunity, another immunity win for her. but coach does, speaking of feet, does put his foot in his mouth when he tells D that Emily Flippen of Survivor 45 did throw out D's name to coach the previous night.

Yeah, totally not. Not, I mean, he, you know, his deed says, why didn't you tell me this before, which is a reasonable question, but just how ridiculous the lie is, is, you know, maybe the more salient is. he forgot that they were from the same season and their friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even watching it, I actually, the first time that Dee said, like, I've got to work with Emily, I'm like, wait, what? Like, why? And then it hit me for it. But like, it's not,

it's not something that they've established. It's not on camera. Yeah. But yeah, no, I agree with you. I think he just forgot. And then suddenly he looks really shady. Yeah. Did you think coach was in trouble tonight?

I thought it was so obviously Colby here. You know, Colby just there was every reason to vote him out he allegedly had the you know was that is the head of the snake instead of the tail of the snake regardless of that like the fact that he didn't have a vote meant meaning he couldn't play shot in the dark the fact that he's hobbling around

I mean I loved Emily's rationale like let's just let them medevag him very funny it's interesting yeah no it's true there's something to that but I also think that you know just put the guy out of his misery yeah It was, I thought, interesting parallels also to Colby in Heroes versus Villains is part of the small group that has James in it and then ultimately that they do vote out James. But that is during the pre-merge and it's not like this individual grouping where I don't, do you think Colby would have gotten medically evacuated? It seemed like that Colby was fighting. And again, this is like a departure from his Heroes versus Villains story where, you know,

He didn't seem to fight too much to want to stay in heroes versus villains, where we saw him making a last-minute hitch to D. But if he has torn ligaments, you know, and it's getting worse. He seemed like peace with what had been the maybe foregone conclusion. Yeah. I mean, Surrey said they didn't think, you know, she didn't think that they would medevac him. And again, Surrey has some, like, both is there and has some, like, you know, subject expertise here. So I guess I defer to her there, but it did look like it was pretty bad. Yeah.

I want to talk about just sort of like the emotional notes of Colby's departure where I just think that it was, I thought very touching as a cynic myself, I did really feel like that this was, as somebody who's been there for the 25 years of Colby's journey, that this did feel like a really nice moment and a really nice sendoff for Colby. I thought it was edited particularly well. I thought that all of the emotional notes were right, going to coach, going to Surrey, getting the perspective from D there in that moment.

The music was swelling. Colby tearing up, getting very emotional. Yeah. This did have all the feels. Yeah, it really, it was real. And it felt you, the emotion seemed really genuine. You know, honestly, like D is the one who got. me the most in terms of her just like speaking about the guilt that comes with this and you know you

know you're ending someone's journey and and you know you don't want to but you have to and i thought that was really lovely yeah the coach and colby love you man back and forth the jeffing the torch one last donaldson one last time donaldson colby's message and it seemed to be his message all along this journey of returning to Survivor 50 was you got to find the joy. He did not have any joy in his returns in season 8 and in season Heroes versus Villains. But he was all about

hey, you got to find the joy. Make sure. Yeah. Make sure. Make sure you Yolo. Yeah. Yeah. And he seemed to really be playing. It just was really fun to see him as sort of like the dad figure, you know, where previously we saw him as the young guy, you know, that was obviously the start of his journey. He was kind of like the young, strong guy. Now he's sort of,

you know, old man Wolverine here. Yeah. And... This tribal council, I do feel like, had sort of delivered on the promise of what I thought season 50 would be in a lot of ways where we would sort of be like having

a tip of the cap and a curtain call one last time for a lot of these people. And I think that the way that it was such a foregone conclusion. Like if this was a blind side, you don't get that moment. But in this being such a open and shut vote where Colby really knew, it was kind of telegraphed to the audience, even coach votes for Colby at this tribal council. I think you did afford him the opportunity to get that moment, whereas much of this season,

you know, Jenna Lewis went first, but for the most part, we've been really, you know, sending out a lot of folks from the new era, you know, Savannah and Q, and Charlie and Christian and Mike White and Angelina. Sort of like, okay, middle era. It wasn't necessarily like we're honoring the legacy of the people who played in Survivor 37.

But this was really the first time that were really, okay, the heavy hitters, Jeff says, we would not be where we are here without Colby and Coach and Surrey. And they're all sitting there at that tribal council. And I thought it was like

a, we've talked about the word celebration a lot in season 50. But to me, I really did feel like that this is like what this was meant to be one last ride for some of these legends. Yeah, and I think you're absolutely right. That if you've got like Colby there, you know, fighting for his life or trying to put a smokescreen, you know, out. So to like trick Devons into going home, it's a very different, you know, very different

feel. But that like getting that, those opportunity to have those valedictory words was really lovely. Yeah. This was a nice run for Colby. He came back. Everybody loved him. He had a good social game. I think he redeemed himself from Survivor Heroes vs. Villains. I thought it was interesting. Surrey described Colby as the head of the snake. I would say in my viewing of the first five episodes, I looked at Coach a little bit more as the head of the snake. What do you make of that? Was Colby actually more in charge of things than we thought? Well, I, felt like Colby maybe had a tighter alliance with people like Genevieve and Stephanie and maybe

Joe. I don't know. I guess we didn't really see him with Joe. Did we know? Um, you know, where he seemed to really be the kind of like, you know, the guy that they would like all defer to. You know, I think I already mentioned Stephanie. Um, but, you know, some of that alliance has already dissipated, you know, Kyle obviously already left. Genevue's gone. Um, and it did seem like coach, you know, I guess Colby had this thing. with Rizzo, right? Where like that seemed to be, and it seemed from what we saw

that these like relationships that Colby was building were maybe just like felt more rock solid, whereas coach is kind of more like all over the place. You know, he's given out nicknames.

He's, you know, he's, uh, he's like building side, side deals. I feel like coach is more like out there, but Colby's kind of like the heart. I want to go back to the, where we started,

17 person merge. I did think that this was so fun getting everybody on the beach all together. You know, the Blood Moon was certainly interesting. I am looking forward to seeing what the dynamics are. I would say, and I don't want to

put, like myself out there too much, that usually we get the first vote after the merge, then we split everybody up into two groups. I have to think, we're going to get a normal vote next after this, right? Oh, really? I think like 16 people. It's like... I think we're 14 people now.

14 people, 7, seven is what I meant to say. Seven and seven. It certainly could happen. It was so exciting and so fun. The information was flowing. It was hard to keep up of like no secrets were being kept. That was super, super fun to see everybody show up with each other.

And there's an advantage that's hidden. And Ozzy ends up finding this advantage. And he says, I hope I'm not getting sent to exile. And then he opens it. It is a funny runner that Ozzie goes to exile island again. He gets to pick someone to go with him. you think of Ozzy's choice to take the Riz God with him? Great decision. His argument is I don't want it to be seen to be taking an enemy and I don't

want to be seen to be taking an ally. So the thing to do is to take the person who nobody has any connections with. And it sounds like Sari gave him that, you know, the marching orders, like get right with Riz God. So he takes Rizzo on to this beach to like build this alliance and they confess themselves to each other. And now there's a three way. This is how good Surrey is because she's so secure in herself that would you send your two friends to go off and like go and hang out

without you? Would you think they're going to talk about you the whole time? Right. It's a classic survivor mistake, right? Like you suddenly like you're like letting your out. You want to be the lynchpin. But for sure it's not, their mistakes aren't mistakes because she's just like she's in the Matrix. She can see the bullets. She's making it all work.

I do find Riz God with any old school person. It's fine. entertaining. I think when I saw Rizzo with Coach get off the boat, I was like, okay, coach is going to love this. It's going to be like vintage like coach

and Cochran. He's going to try to take him under his wing. He's going to be like have Riz God doing Coach Chi. So I think that, you know, I want to see Rizzo and Christian. We've already seen Rizzo and Surrey. So I think pair him with any of the old school people and

I think that that's going to be fun to watch. Yeah. Although there's always, he always gives the same confessionally. like, I'm so excited to meet Christian and coach and prove to them that I'm the best ever, that I'm better than that, you know, like, but I mean, you sort of have to love his ragged, don't you? Okay. Steven, talk to me about the blood moon. I'm sure it's going to be controversial that people are not going to love that they did it,

but they did need to take some big swings here in season 50. So I'd love to just get your perspective of, did the blood moon twist land for you? I liked it. I did. I think like a triple tribal council, it's like you're saying, it's like the big chaotic swing that I kind of wanted from the show. You know, people getting mixed up. I, you know, it's not like the pure, neat social game, but it's also 24 people on a, you know, coming in. We knew there were going to be mass eliminations. And I think this kind of like bam, bam, bam aspect of it. I almost prefer where like we've had, we had a few slow, you know, like the first few votes were all one person to the point where we were wondering. how are they going to get rid of all these people?

I kind of would rather have that, right? Like a few normal episodes and then, uh-da-da-uh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Yeah. Rather than like, and then now there's two, and now there's two again. So I actually kind of dug it. I like that it was unexpected, therefore, like, difficult to prepare for. And I don't know, like, to me, to me it's fun.

You know, like, I've sort of put behind me the 16-person, 39-day survivor. I'm going to say that I think that on paper, if you were to show me the plan, the plan before the season. I would have said, yeah, this is great. I actually think that this is a really good plan. I think that having seen the season play out, I liked the idea of, hey, let's not do a bunch of double tribal councils, because let's spend as much time with the players as we can in the season. I do think in hindsight, I think that it would have alleviated some of the issues where we felt like, we haven't seen this person. And Camilla, I think is a great example of that. Camilla never goes to a tribal council until last week.

And I think that maybe if we did have maybe a couple more double tribal councils in the premurge, I think we would have gotten to see a little bit more of some of the players play in having more shots on goal to go to tribal council, even though we would have lost a few other people an episode or two earlier. But I think that we would have gotten to see them in action a little bit more as opposed to some of these people where now all of a sudden we're seeing them, it's half the season is over and now we're just seeing some of these people go to their first tribal council where we had a disaster tribe.

I mean, I hear you with this like specific complaint we're having and like this is a potential solution. But to me, I feel like you lose a lot of texture. Like so much of the tribal council edit is like, okay, I've got my three. And then there are two. And are there, is there two going to be? And it almost feels samey, same in a way that like what I love about having more time is getting a little bit more texture, more personality, more of those unexpected moments.

And I think if you have two tribal councils, you actually can't lose that. I'm being result-oriented. I'll admit it. Yeah. I mean, like, if you look at like, even this episode, like, there wasn't anything really, and you kind of can't let each individual tribal council, like, you can't really see the texture of it. Like, if you look at these three tribal councils, they were all like, bam, bam, bam. Like, there was, I'm sure when they were playing, there was a lot more back and forth, but we're just seeing like, okay, here's the decision, now we go. You know, and there was like not a lot of tension in actually any of these travel counsel. Okay. I don't want to pass over the most important part of the night of you giving out

the Blood Moon Fishing Award. So, okay, there's two candidates. And I think, you know, you hit the nail on the head out of the gate when you said that the most interesting grouping here was the orange grouping with Tiffany, Chrissy, Jonathan, Camilla, and Stephanie, you know, in terms of like the strategic permutations here. So I think that. think there's sort of really two options to who to give the fishy to. One is Chrissy, who, as we discussed, gives a very compelling pitch to Jonathan. Here's why you should side with me. She has a great job of playing dead with Tiffany and Camilla. And then ultimately gets her away with really no downside for her, right? Like, nobody's mad at Chrissy for, you know, voting out

Camilla here. On the other hand, there's Jonathan. It was a very difficult choice to make. He has this decision between, you know, sticking with Chrissy and sticking with Camilla. Ultimately, he chooses to stick with Chrissy. He votes out Camilla. We've seen that there's going to be some problems next week. But he made a tough choice. I think we think he made the right choice. And so those are the two.

Give me your perspective, Rob. I think that for me, Jonathan did make a choice. I think the jury is out whether or not Jonathan made the right choice. Jonathan ended up in this situation where he does have blood on his hands, where Camilla leaves the tribal council and she has some not kind words for Jonathan. Did she call him

a lying skank? Do I have that right? You can check my notes on that one. But I think that Chrissy we know she got her way. We know Chrissy did what is in her best interest. And so in my mind, yes, Jonathan is the person

who ends up being the swing vote. But I think that ultimately Chrissy is the one that can claim that it was her move to get Jonathan to swing in a way that does not get any blood on her hand. I think actually Chrissy handled this tribal council particularly well where she got what she wanted. She got the ally in Jonathan. She almost won immunity. And she comes away with this with, you think Tiffany is mad at Chrissy? She gave, she gave Tiffany and Camilla permission to write her name down. So nobody is coming away. Pissom.

off at Chrissy after this vote, and Chrissy really did secure her position moving forward. So I think it's a slam dunk for Chrissy. Yeah, I agree with you, Rob. Fishy for Chrissy, great episode for Chrissy. Also, great confessionals for Chrissy. I thought she did a great job in the confessional booth. And on the beach, she makes a really compelling plea to Jonathan. They're both cut from the same cloth.

It's a great cloth to be cut from. And Jonathan's clothes do literally be looking like they work. cut from cloth, I will say also. That is his look. Like, you're like, like, you really look like you're cut from cloth. Like, there's some of, it seems like that there's like strategic, like,

nipple holes cut out of his clothing, where it does not seem like it was ripped. I will have to ask him one day all of his fashion secrets, but Stephen, I don't think I could get away with, like, the one pectoral exposed look. Like, I'm wearing, like, uh, yeah, yeah, I don't think that's good. You're not cut from cloth.

You have, you buy stuff off the rack. Or sometimes. get it tailored, but never just cut from cloth. He just picks up the cloth, pulls it over his head. Yeah. Okay. All right. I know you got Sater to get to. What else is on your mind?

That's it. Great. A really fun episode. And I think a lot of, you know, it's a great season. I really love this season. Yeah. Okay. A lot more to unpack. Look forward to those three exit interviews plus my conversation with Aris. And then also, maybe some

interviews from the Ron Clark Academy. We're going to work to bring you, really a huge star-studded lineup that Ron has assembled here in Atlanta, okay? And so, of course, check out the tribe and I has spoken. Rob has a book.com. The pre-orders are coming. My rights of passage, 751. Yes, Survivor Players, I salute you all

in a special pre-order digital bonus chapter. And then check out everything else we have going on here on Rob's podcast. We'd love to read what you have to say in the comments. Yes, Stephen? Yes. So this is speaking of pre-order bonuses. As some people know, I sent out some maps for pre-order bonuses for escape. Unfortunately, there was a little bit of a USPS snafu.

And so if you happen to have received a stack of maps, like some people have got like 30 maps instead of one map. Let me know. And also just like, if you could just stick the other ones back in the mail. They're all posted paid. But please send me an email. No, like, what happened is like they, the post office, like, they were like stacks, like they were shrink wrapped and they were all delivered to like the top person on the stack rather than like the shrink wrapping, I guess, was not like, you know, open to like send them out. So some people have gotten big stacks. I've never heard that before.

I've never heard of it before. But this is the, this is why you should stick with your digital pre-order incentives. Don't do physical pre-order incentives. Okay. All right. Steven, thank you so much. looking forward to talking much more about this. Take everybody.

Have a good one. Bye.