RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Premiere Recap

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Premiere Recap Survivor Know-It-Alls is back as Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach dig into all the drama and gameplay twists from Survivor 50. Today, Rob and Stephen dig into the Survivor 50 premiere. To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com To order Stephen’s novel Escape!, visit stephenfishbach.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

The smartest guys around are about to break it down like they're one. I am freaking hyped. That was such an awesome episode. I'm really, really just overwhelmed. I thought it was fantastic. I loved it. It had everything I wanted it to be. It was everything I wanted it to be.

And I can't. I'm so excited to talk to you about it. So much to unpack here tonight after three hours of Survivor. 1.25 episodes of Survivor to digest after so many years. Stephen, I believe this is also now, if we don't count the season that you actually went to go play Survivor, I think this is 25 seasons of Survivor Know It Alls for you and me. Wow, this is a big celebration for us too. It's our 25th reunion and as and Survivor's 50th.

Holy cow, well, that's the real story here. That's the top story at this hour. And so much to unpack as we get ready for the biggest season of Survivor ever with 24 cast members, not one but two people end up going home. We will have everything right here on RHAP. Make sure you subscribe to everything we have coming your way. Get RHAP.com. And we know Survivor for all things Survivor and Stephen tomorrow. I will have not one but two exit interviews where I will.

will be catching up with my old friend and the first person voted out of this season. It was Jenna Lewis. Wow. Wow. I did, I actually sort of thought it would be Jenna Lewis. Early, even when they were out there, I was like, I think she's going to have some trouble playing this new game. But honestly, that didn't seem to be the issue for her. I don't think that was the issue at all in terms of, if anything, she was coming in hot and fast. It wasn't like, what's happening? Where am I? So I'll talk to Jenna Lewis tomorrow. And then our first medical evacuation. It was Kyle. What a bummer. I have so much I want to say about Kyle, which we will get to, but he is like an A plus human being. And I was so disappointed to see him pulled like that,

you know, without really getting the chance to play in such a great spot. It's really, really such a bummer. Yeah, great guy. And it seemed like that he was set up really well. So very sad to see him go. But we'll get into all of it here tonight as we kick off our coverage here of Survivor 50 on Thursday. I will be talking with last. season, one of the sofs that Sophie Ballardy, who just participated in hands on a hard idol. I'll be talking to her tomorrow on Thursday as we kick off a huge week of coverage here on RHAP. All right, Stephen, so how about this?

Let me start with good premiere. I thought it was a great premiere. First of all, like the first, that opener, that opening segment, like that first 10 minutes was incredible. I was like literally getting tears and I want to say like thank you to the producers or whoever made that. Like it really reminded me. I mean, not just the fact that I was in it. But like it really reminded me.

Must be nice. Yeah. Exactly. I was in it twice. You know, they could have given you one of those. That just like the significance of this huge cultural institution that we're a part of and how like special that is, you know, I think sometimes you forget it. You know, it becomes like a quotidian thing. Like, okay, I'm watching Survivor again.

I'm podcasting about Survivor again, but like, it really captured just like how special it is, how meaningful it is to so many people, what like a tremendous cultural force it is. And I really like, it got me emotional. Yeah, they did a really good job. I think they totally understood the assignment here in terms of the scope of Survivor 50 and what it meant to everybody that was here for Survivor 50. A lot of small touches and things that they did right along the way, including so many things in that montage, which it might be fun to go through that entire montage, you know, every single thing and

break it all down. Maybe that's an idea for another podcast coming up this week. But I thought even going to the tribal council, maybe I am losing my mind. I think they switched back to the old tribal council voting music from the old days. Oh, did they? I didn't even notice that. And maybe I could maybe if Brandon Donlin is backstage, he can confirm this for me. But I was like, wait, is that the old music. Yeah, that's cool. It definitely felt like it was really immersed in kind of the history of the show, you know, that sense of like we're representing all ages, all play, except the 20s, all play styles, you know, and then just, it was so, like, wonderful to see these people like out there again, like to get, like, what I always want, what I always want from, from the,

the returning contestants is to like have a sense of growth and change. And like, I did it this way in the past. And now I got to do it different. And, but I can't do it different because I'm still the same person. Like, that's always an interesting story. And I think we are seeing it across so many people with coach and Ozzie and Colby. I mean, obviously Jenna, Stephanie, you know, Surrey, of course. It just like really felt like, but also this, this ton of Rizzo and Savannah and the new era players. You know, Devons was big, flipping.

I mean, it was just like it felt like it was hitting all metrics for me. All you want from them is everything they've got. That was great. Jeff was great, too. Yeah. So, okay, we can go through all the things that we liked along the way, but I guess we should dig into what happened here in the vote on Survivor, No-It-D-alls. And we should pick things up with Jenna Lewis, who, first off, this was going to be a tough spot for anybody who ends up being the first person to go out from this season. I would say that I have some solace in the fact that if anybody is tough enough to be able to.

to handle being the first boot on a season that was as hyped as this. It's going to be Jenna Lewis. Yeah. I don't know how that well. Yeah. She is a tough customer. And I'm sure that she didn't like it, but it's not going to bother her.

And I'm sure that she's going to be okay on the other side of this. That being said, yeah, I thought that this was certainly, interestingly, interesting, I thought she was set up pretty well in the preseason. Based off of everybody's perceptions of her in the preseason, it didn't sound like that she was going to be an early target. Yeah. What were people, you know, saying in the preseason? Because I do, I steer clear some of that stuff.

Honestly, going through it all with Mike Bloom, that she was one of the people that most people had high perceptions of. They wanted to work with her. And I think that she came in with a big, bold idea to go after. Surrey, I think it's not completely dissimilar from her idea when she came into Survivor All Stars and said, hey, let's get rid of the winners. Let's go, they won, we didn't. And while Surrey has not won famously, she is almost akin to a winner in a lot of different ways, certainly in the hearts and the minds of the Survivor fans. I think this is the right strategy. Like,

Surrey is one of my favorite contestants ever. When I was on my book tour, I would ask people who came up to get signatures, you know, who are you rooting for? Everyone said Surrey. Like 98% of people said Surrey or Christian. Everybody loves Surrey. You know, every time Surrey walks into a show, everybody falls in love with her. She always makes it to the end, except here's the rosa villains.

You know, she always does super well on every single show she's on, Trader she won. And it's because she makes everybody fall for her. I think the correct attitude, given all that, is you try to vote out Surrey when you can. Like I thought Joe's point about, hey, Surrey is super dangerous. She's like a masterful player.

She's played a zillion times. Ozzie is a masterful player. He's played a zillion times. Jenna, I know what she's doing. I see it. It's like not, it's like, it's chaotic.

It's like, like let, like, if I'm in that spot and I'm just sort of like, do I vote out Jenna versus seri? I think it's the correct move here to vote out Surrey. And even Jenna has this point where she says, you know,

The very fact that it's so painful for me to bring up Cary's name is why we should vote her out. And I think that's right because she makes everyone fall for her. And you don't know if she's the person, if you're the person, you're going to be able to be out. The most compelling counter argument I thought was Christian's point of like, Ozzie's going to be pissed if we don't vote out, Jenna. Like if we vote out Ceri, we're going to have like an uncomfortable tribe because we're going to have a really, really mad person here. And like voting out, Jenna is clean.

Like nobody's going to be mad. Yeah. Good points all around. that ends up being a 7 to 1 vote. I think that historically, you know, we have kicked off a lot of these all-star seasons with a consensus vote. Going back to, I think, that Sugar was a consensus vote.

And Sierra Easton, I think, was also somebody else who was like, so you get like a lopsided vote to kick off. It's not a consensus vote. I feel like Vetus was more. Vetus was not a consensus vote. Yeah. But it is a good point in terms of if you were looking for, if the mission was how do we come out of this with a cohesive unit following this,

if we take Christian at face value from tribal council, I guess Jenna Lewis was the person to take out in terms of a united group. How important is that to come away from in a normal season of Survivor where you expect, okay, there's not going to be a lot of twists. They'll keep us together. I would feel like if I was coming into the season, I think there's 24 people. maybe they're going to swap people around a lot in this season. Yeah, that's what I would think too.

I think it's going to be chaotic. But you also do, you want to get through that early. But that's honestly a reason to stay united, right? It's because you don't want Ozzy on the other side being like, I'm so pissed at those people. I want nothing to do with them anymore. You know, you vote out Surrey and suddenly you've made an enemy. You vote out Jenna and like you're still on good terms with everybody.

And I think that's not a crazy strategy simply because you don't know what's coming out. You know, so that, you know, abstractly, I think I want to take Surrey out first. Like, she's the scariest player in the game. I simply because she makes everybody love her. But maybe tactically the right choice here is to vote out, Jenna. So let's look at it from Jenna Lewis's perspective where I think that. Definitely not the right choice then for her. Not the right choice for her, but I think that she ended up forcing the issue where it did not need to be forced.

it turns out that this group there turned there were a few people that were open to the idea of getting rid of seri specifically savannah talked about it in preseason i think emily was also somebody who was open to it but it only took one person and i think it was really rick who uh we saw him in the episode was the person who mentioned it to surrey and there were people though that wanted to work with seri very much so rick was one of those people christian was also one of those people So there was not necessarily a consensus to get rid of Surrey. And so I think it was okay to think about the idea to get out Surrey, but I think it was a step too far to aggressively push for it where there wasn't a mandate to get rid of Surrey. Yeah. And I think especially because Jenna is coming in this, in with this position where she doesn't necessarily,

no, she doesn't have these like relationships with anyone. For her to be like the first person like pushing hard, I think is a really big risk. where, you know, obviously Surrey and Ozzy are tight. You know, Christian and Flip and know each other from Clock Tower. I can't believe they didn't mention

the Clock Tower Alliance. You know, you know, we all, all these people have relationships. I mean, Savannah, no, obviously, but like they're all familiar with each other. And then Jenna's kind of this blast from the past, right? She's not necessarily a part of that as much. So I think maybe going hard is like, you know,

not the right choice for her. And maybe that's just her, that's why she was cast, right? She was cast because she's going to go hard. Like, they didn't, cast people who are just going to like take a step back. Yeah. And so Jenna Lewis, who I thought was, the show gave her her flowers in this episode tonight, specifically in the opening matchat discussion. I thought that they really treated her as the legend of Survivor who has been

with the show since it came on the air way back when. So I thought that they really did a lot to celebrate her here tonight. I was happy to see her get. that acknowledgement. Yeah, I thought it was great. I mean, honestly, like a good episode for her, she had great arguments. And, you know, the people who were arguing against her, you know, one of the things, like I think like both Christian and Rick said, you know, I love them. But like I think they both said, oh, you know, like just Surrey is so open and charming.

And I want to work with people who are open and charming. You know, like talk to the cast of the traitors, you know, they also wanted to work with people who are open and charming, you know? This is the reason move and you guys are falling for it. And, you know, I do think they're probably eyes wide open. they also, it looked like at the numbers, right? It looked like there was kind of a group with like Christian and Devons and Joe and Savannah and Flippin who were all kind of like talking.

So maybe there's a sense of like, Ceri's not going to like magically tear us apart. But she does, she does it. She magically works for, you know, she does. So I think this is the right choice, but it's a very dangerous choice. One of the really interesting parts of this vote I thought was Joe. And Joe Hunter, I felt was, and I listened to all. of his preseason interviews, but to see him in action tonight, he really did seem wounded from

Survivor 48. Yeah, he said a lot, you know, I was burned by this, this duo. I thought I had a relationship with one, and it was all just, you know, I was being set up and there was a secret alliance and I got, you know, I got burned by that. And I don't want that to happen again. And, you know, he's also obviously big on challenge competitions and, you know, reasonable that after, you know, after that, that he would, that he would be focused on on Surrey as a potential target. But yeah, I bet he seemed a lot more strategic this, this season than, than last.

And everyone sort of had this thought that, like, Joe Hunter's going to come in. He's going to be like, you know, same Joe, like same like big chest-thumping Joe who's just like, wants honor and integrity. But in fact, like, I felt like there was really, um, a very strategic wrinkle to him. Yeah.

I thought it was just fascinating that it came in the form of like, hey, I'm not going to get burned by this again. and he really was on the lookout for duos that he felt like that could hurt him. And I think that that's going to be something that's really interesting to watch the people who have played most recently. How much are they? Like, I'm not going to let that happen to me again. And so in Joe, it really was so fascinating to watch him go through that thought process.

And it seemed like that then a third plan almost came together over the idea of, hey, should we vote out Ozzy? Yeah, which was wild. And that just seemed like Christian and Flippin being, I'm sorry, Devin's in Flippin being sort of, you know, a little bit, a little bit silly, you know, because obviously you're not going to vote at Ozzy here. That would be crazy.

But it's funny, like, from Emily's perspective, it's actually a really good move, you know, to vote out Ozzie. Then you've got Surrey and Jenna who are at each other. Like, if you want a sort of chaotic tribe around you, it's not a terrible choice. Do you think there was any real, was that ever a real plan? it seemed like that there was had some traction for a minute yeah i don't know i to me that seemed

like they were just being sort of like like loopy about it well i think you always want to looking ahead to say who's the next person to go out and in this group now without jennel lewis we have the three person alliance now where really you have christian and devons and emily then it seems like that joe and savannah are now kind of a pair and then also ozzie and Surrey are a pair who are seemingly at the bottom. We do know that Ozzy has an extra vote and also the Billy Elish boomerang idol of which can't believe I just said that. But that Ozzy now has a lot of advantages.

You would think that Surrey is maybe the person who would be most likely to go home next if this group goes to another tribal council. Yeah, that seems likely. I mean, just going to getting back to the Aussie thing, like maybe it's not crazy to take out Ozzie here. I do feel like maybe Surrey would be less wounded by Ozzie being eliminated. You know, she would probably recover better from Ozzie being eliminated and then Ozzie would recover if she were eliminated.

So maybe it's not a crazy choice to like vote out Ozzy. I mean, you are sort of, you know, he is probably the best challenge guy here. Yeah. We saw him, you know, even as good as Joe is like, Ozzie is just exceptional. Even, you know, mid-40s Ozzy is just like flying through these challenges. Yeah. I don't think that Surrey would bat an eye too much if the group decided to vote out Ozzy. but I do think that Ozzy, as we saw in, and this is Oscar that he said in the preseason,

he's a new person now. He's not Ozzy anymore. He's now the persona Oscar. And we saw in Survivor South Pacific when Elise got voted out. He declared himself a free agent. Right, right. And I think that's like, that's the danger with him, you know, is that you've got someone who's going to like maybe make those choices.

You know, we're all still ourselves, right? And he was still wounded when, when, that's what's cool about it. He wants to be a new person. He wants to play this more strategic game. And yet he's hurt when like coach steals the key, you know, which is. Yeah, I want to get more to that. That wasn't the honorable thing to do. Like, how could you?

While we're still talking about this group, this tribe, I believe the Sela tribe, that there was the Christian Devin's Emily Alliance that came together. To me, I'm watching this. I'm like, this is the fishback alliance. That's what I've been calling it in my head. Hopefully that's what their official name is. But honestly, like, when I heard that my, like, three closest friends on this show were going to be on the same tribe, I couldn't believe it. Like, it just felt like candy.

Like, how cool. And then to get them, see them all playing together and aligning is just awesome. I love that Christian Devin scene where they're, like, you know, Kirk and Spock together. And it's kind of, like, played off, like, a romance. I just thought it was so awesome. Yeah. I love that for them, the moment of them finding each other. or any two people in this season that's like,

wow, I can't believe it. I have an ally. Like, you want to work with me? Like, it was such a exciting moment for all of those players. And to come back and play in one of these shows, it's like, I don't know. Is anybody going to like me? Yeah, right.

Well, exactly. And I mean, Devin's, like, played most of his season without allies, you know? Well, he had David right. Yeah. Well, right. Right. But that's true. And then when David was voted out, he was,

but like the end of it was but yeah so he has a type yeah and you know flipping too was a little bit of a of a lone wolf you know she had she had Caleb of course but but yeah I mean it's interestingly I was on the um I was on the oh my gosh that I was on Tommy Smoke's podcast yes and we were talking we were talking about how this tribe is kind of like this is like the narrative tribe like this is like the tribe that like that this is like the POV tribe right it's got like all these great narrators. It's got like the biggest fan favorites with Surrey and Ozzy and Christian, probably the least drama on this tribe, right? If you look at some of the other tribes, there's more like chaotic contestants. I feel like this is like the tribe they want sort of to be

like the, you know, this is our like the heart of the season kind of tribe. Okay. So the heart of the season tribe, they did not have any supplies to make fire. And I can't even remember the last time that we saw this happen. But here comes Dr. Christian Hubicki with some science who's able to start the fire with his glasses.

Maybe not since Farm Guy 69, Dale Wentworth, maybe was the last contestant to do this? Yeah, I mean, Yao Man did it. I don't even know who else is. I mean, Dale Wentworth probably that was the last one. That's wild to think about. Yeah.

That was such a great scene and really felt like this great callback to old school survivor. Yeah. And when the sun was hot enough to be able to do it. And, you know, I think that this is going to be a major thing now for a contestant. Hey, I have no Flint. Okay. Do I have glasses?

Well, you got to have glasses with the right concavity, right? As Christian discussed. And more than one pair, hopefully. Well, that's even better. I mean, ideally, lining up glasses is so Christian and so inspired, you know, like, it just like, it was really, like, really brilliant. Yeah. So incredible job there by Christian in episode one.

I thought overall Christian had a really good episode. Great episode. And even his thing with the challenge, we couldn't totally tell what he was doing, but you knew it was just like sort of the outside of box. In the opening challenge. In the opening challenge where he shoves all of the sort of like rods to the one side so he can then kind of like figure it out more methodically.

He flies through that. Yeah. They would have, like they were doing great. That's the thing about Christian. He is not afraid of showing off in the opening challenge to demonstrate his ability on a puzzle. Yeah, that's right. That's right. He aced the, it was like a slide puzzle, slide puzzle, and they were just glad.

Let's talk about the tribe, ultimately that Kyle ends up starting on and then unfortunately is removed from. And we see Kyle, I kind of thought he was going to get through the episode when he got through the challenge. And then once we saw Jeff on a boat, that was ultimately the, you know, harbend, you know, harbend. of doom. Yeah. Kyle is, I mean, you know, I've met a lot of these survivor contestants. They're all, you know, they're typically like extroverse.

They're typically chosen because of that. They're interesting people. Like, they can, they're great. Kyle's a really special guy. And like, he's so charming and charismatic, but he's also like so deep and sincere. I've only made him like a little bit, like, a little bit I've interacted with him.

Like that, like depth and sincerity. I always thought he would do really well on the season because of that. Like even being a winner, even being someone who people literally just saw one because he had a secret alliance. He's so like open. and charismatic and like charming that I thought like and not in a way that feels like sleazy. Like sometimes like charming can be like, you know, unctuous. I really thought like.

Yeah, I came away tonight. Like even being more impressed than I was with him in Survivor 48 because it felt like that he came in and was just winning people over left and right. And it was like, oh my God, here we go. I did not think that Kyle had a good shot in this season. And it seemed like that he was really set up extremely well. Yeah. I mean, right at the center of this tribe, you know, you've got this Colby.

Stephanie relationship, which we always thought would, you know, of course we assumed would, would happen. And then Kyle and Genevieve, like, suddenly they immediately pulled them in. They all want to work with Kyle. And that just seemed like that was going to be the sort of epicenter of the tribe with like Rizzo as sort of, you know, their court jester off here. And then Q2 was right there, you know, and he and Kyle were quickly bonded. So it did seem like Kyle was in a great position on a great tribe that was doing really well.

and just what an awful thing. Like I'm sure that only increases the what ifs. Like the fact that he was in such a great spot. Yeah. I'm sure Kyle sleeps a little easier at night having just one survivor 48 and knowing that he has the one win already coming in as opposed to somebody else who might have this experience. And then this was going to be their chance to win.

But Kyle, he ends up with this injury. and I was just like, I'm so scarred from Aaron Rogers. As soon as I saw it, I was like, it looks like Achilles to me. And, oh, yeah, me too. Aaron Rogers stuff really got to me as well. Yeah, Stephen, that I feel like I've such an expert in Achilles injuries after watching NFL. You see it like, oh, he can't put weight on it. I think that's an Achilles.

Oh, so you knew. You knew what was going on. It seemed like it. Anytime I'm seeing like, okay, he, you. You can't put weight on it. And then sometimes the thing with Achilles is like you're not in tremendous pain either. It's just you can't, it's a injury that you just can't put the full weight on the leg. And you're like, no, I think I feel okay.

But that's how the Achilles gets you. Yeah. Well, good that we had Dr. Joe there. You know, good that day. And he seemed pretty chill about it. He's like, yeah. Did Dr. Joe come back for this all-star season? I get, yeah, all-star medics too.

We haven't seen Dr. Joe for a while. All-star doctors? Like who was the guy? There was like some later days guy last season who was working on the sea. If we had Dr. Joe, Jake wouldn't have to leave from the C-bite and secret. They brought back medics from all, all 50 seasons.

All the era is, is Dr. Ado back? Different, you know, different techniques, you know, different styles of medicine. You got an acupuncturist on hand. Would you want medicine from the old era or the new era? I probably did a new era. Probably the new era. That's one thing that you'd say the new era definitely triumphs.

In the old era, they would tell you, uh, oh, rub some dirt on it, Kyle. Yeah, no, it was fun to see Dr. Joe again. But maybe Kyle would say if it was the old era. That's true. They would just, you know, yeah, rub the dirt. Are you bleeding? You're fine. Yeah.

Okay, but Kyle ends up having to go out of the game. Very disappointing. And I'm sure we can go on and on and on about that. But in terms of the game, it's so interesting that we started with this alliance, which looked really rock solid at one point in this night where you started with Colby and Stephanie. They said, you know what? All right. We need Kyle. We need Genevieve.

Okay. They get Kyle. They get Genevieve. Then they bring in Q also now that Q has lost his vote. But still, five people, they've got four votes. still find another vote somewhere. By the end of the night... Four out of seven votes, they don't need another vote

because, you know, Q's doesn't have a vote. So they just need four out of seven votes. Well, by the end of the night, though, that Colby has no vote and there's no Kyle. Yeah, they've lost three of their votes over the five of him. Yeah. Yeah.

But it looks like, I feel like Rizzo is going to be, you know, I was then saying, like, Rizzo is going to be like, he's going to, like, want to play with Colby. I know JT's his favorite contestant ever, and Colby's sort of like JT adjacent. And, and Colby... Yeah, and I think that Colby's going to like, kind of like being gassed up by this young guy. And that's basically what happened.

Yeah, the Risgod won him over because Colby came in and was like, man, this kid is annoying. Yeah. And then he was like, actually, he's not that annoying. Not that annoying. He reminds me of being. Yeah. So it was interesting in this tribe where Genevieve also then tried to talk to Aubrey. And that was a notable conversation I thought in this episode where.

Genevieve and Aubrey, not on the same page. I thought this was very weird. I felt like Genevieve was having like a totally like, oh, I'm open to things. And Aubrey's like, tell me how you're going to play this game. What's your deal? It was like very intense in the way that it sort of seemed like

not day one survivor best practices. Yeah. What do you think of this? Is Aubrey a little more guarded? And when we talk about like, how did what happened to people the last time they played in the edge of extinction when Aubrey was there, We saw, remember there was like a montage and the editors really hung out Aubrey out to dry where there was like a phrase that she used with every single person.

Like she was like very forward. Like locked in or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was really, she put herself out there with everybody. It was like, hey, I trust you.

I trust you. I trust you. And then everybody's like, did Aubrey talk to you? Did Aubrey talk to you? So I wonder if Aubrey is like a little more guarded. Anybody that's talking to me is like, how do I know you're really? really want to work with me. Aubrey played three times in four years,

which is crazy to me. I played twice in 15 years, and I'm scarred by that experience. The fact that she went through so much in such a short time is really incredible. And also I understand why it would take a lot of healing to come back from. Obviously, she's had a lot of time now to process.

You know, I, but you may be right that she's guarded. I wish we'd see a different conversation with somebody else in her. So we could kind of like base, line. Is this conversation with Genevieve just because she's suspicious of Genevieve and doesn't want to be, you know, gassed up by Genevieve? Or is this how she's kind of engaging with everybody? Is she telling everybody, like, tell me how you're going to play. Yeah. But Genevieve,

she does end up finding the Billy Elish boomerang idol. And, you know, the name is hokey. And we say, what's with these celebrities that they brought into it? But ultimately, at the end of the day, it's just the name of an immunity idol. It doesn't really seem to be breaking the game in any particular way. Genevieve has to decide who do I give this idol to, but if they get blindsided, then the idol comes back to me.

Do you like what Billy Elish has done here? Yeah, great, great work from Billy. I'm with you. Like the celebrity thing, it's like a little bit like cringy and like the fact that they seem to have to always call it the Billy Elish boomerang idol. They can't just call it the boomerang idol.

You know, it's like, yeah, it's like the full branding has to be represented. Yeah. But you know, if that's what brings in new viewers and keeps the franchise alive, like, then great. But like, I'm sure all the Billy Elish fans tuned in to see how the idol was going to work. I mean, I think it's less that and more like when Billy Elish like promotes it on her social media than like 10 million people or whatever, like see it.

And like, oh, well, I'll check that out. You know, you get one million of those. You know, it's got a, that's a hit show. Yeah. But, but I like this. Subscribe to Rob as a podcast, Billy Eilish fans. it added an interesting mechanic to like the idol like if you just have to send it to somebody else

then it's sort of like unambiguous what you do but the idea of like I have to send it someone else but if they're voted out early like that's beneficial to me who do you say who would you send it to if you are in Genevieve's shoes here who are you sending it to and what's your thought process you have to send it to somebody that's on the other tribe

and so you want somebody who's going to one, get voted out and two, get voted out with an idol. And I think that's such a hard thing to predict. I wonder if it's somebody that you send. I think I would send it to somebody who I did not plan to work with. And then I think that you're really incentivized to you yourself need to lead the blindside on that person and you know they have an idol. and then hopefully you can just, you know,

get the jump on them on a night when they don't play it and then you get an idol. But there's also the advantage of just using it to build an alliance, right? Like you want to send it to someone you want to work with. I feel like that would be my baseline because like if they get, you can't really control for who is going to get voted out, right?

And certainly to your point, who's going to be voted out with an idol? The idea like Ozzy has already been voted out with an idol, therefore I know he's capable of it. That's kind of like interesting. I think it's like a smart thought. But like there's so much that you just have no clue about. And especially like, you know,

the time horizon of how that would happen. I feel like I would send it to the person I most wanted to build a relationship with. And then if they got voted out, like then it would be okay too because then I would get my idol back. Yeah. It's a good point.

I think that it would be so tempting to not feel like that you could try to get that idol because that other person can't even play it on you. Yeah. Well, but I mean, having, you know, been in the position of like plotting out how I'm going to use my special advantage, like 16, you know, six moves from now, I feel like that's the way you lose sight of the game in front of you when you're like planning out a move that's

going to happen in two weeks. Better to like just like play the game in front of you and if like that magical thing happens. Build a bond and then should Genevete at some points be like, hey, Ozzie, just so you know, I sent you this idol. Oh, did it not say who? it was from. It doesn't say who it was from. Somebody sent you an idol from the other tribe. Yeah. I think yeah. I think yeah. I sent you that idol.

Although then there's like, you know, whatever. Like then there's there are some receipts on that, right? There are some people who know how it works. Although one fewer now. I did think it worked out particularly well for Genevieve that she shared it instantly with Stephanie. And then they, and she's like, okay, now I told Stephanie and I need to tell Colby. And that she told the people that were in her alliance. I don't know if they're going to tell Q then that Kyle ends up. not being a factor in terms of having to know about it. I'm not sure if he was there or not at the time that they made this decision. And so it ends up being a good advantage to build trust with your own group that's like,

oh, hey, everybody, I found this thing that I have to give away. Right. I've got this thing. Right. And it could come back to me in the future for some like later, later point. I do feel like that's like kind of like a perfect, a perfect alliance builder. Like we're building trust. I'm telling you about it.

Now it's out of my pocket. You don't have to worry about it. but at some future point, it might come back to me and we could use it. Yeah. Just talking through this group, so we mentioned Colby and Stephanie are a thing, plus also Genevieve and then Q is there also. So that's four. Then in this group, we didn't really see a lot of Angelina tonight.

She said, Angelina, Aubrey, and Rizzo are the other three people who we haven't seen any sort of alliance talk from them other than Colby one-on-one. talk to Risgod in the preseason. I know you weren't really tapped into too much of this. Colby and Stephanie were very down on Angelina and vice versa, where Angelina had said she heard Colby and Stephanie were doing pregame talk about her in a negative way and she found out about it. Oh, wow.

That's wild. How did she find out? Do we know? She didn't say. Okay. I kind of feel like why on earth did they not switch Tiffany and Angelina in this tribe lineup? Well, you've got, then you'd have, like, Tiffany and Q, and you'd have Angelina and Mike.

Like, that's really fun. I think that they probably didn't want that. Yeah, I know. But, like, when you're watching, you're like, I want the pairs. I want to see, like, Tiffany and Q go at it. You know, I don't know. I mean, I hear you that that was deliberate, but, like, you have Ozzie and Surrey on a beach, you know? Yeah, I guess so.

But, I mean, I think that you have where I think Surrey has played with so many different people. I think that she's going to be with hard to really hide from her. You end up with Tiffany and Charlie on the same tribe. but I think that they kind of wanted to split up most of the known pairs. Yeah. No, I get that abstractly, but also, like, that's part of the fun is seeing people like, oh, I'm, you know, like, especially with like the tense relationship that Tiffany and Q had.

Like, part of the fun is seeing people play together or played together, or at least for me. All right. Tell me if this group goes to a tribal council next, what do you see is the most likely outcome? Yeah, I mean, it looks like, to your point, like Angelina and Aubrey are the ones who had the least immediate connections. and just sort of given the tension between Genevieve and Aubrey, like that doesn't look so hot for Aubrey in that, you know, I mean, there's no way that Genevieve didn't feel that tension. You know, we got a confessional from Aubrey about it.

Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see also the pacing in terms of how many players get voted out in this next episode that's coming up. I believe the next episode is going to be a two-hour episode. And it seems like that we've already seen a chunk of the camp life that's going on, that these tribal councils are. are going to be, I believe, coming fast and furious at some point. We have, it's day four.

So there's 22 days left in the game. And we still need to get rid of a lot of people. 22 players. Yeah. So a lot of Survivor needs to get played in a short amount of time. So I wouldn't be surprised if we end up, especially in the premurge, getting some of these double boot episodes. Yeah.

It'll be interesting to see. And it'll be like kind of fun that sort of like meat grind. aspect of it. Let's talk about then the third tribe that we haven't gotten into. Let's talk about, I believe it's the Calo tribe. Calo, Calo. A lot of coach. We got a lot of coach.

Certainly in the first half of the episode, we got a lot of coach. And then a little less so in the back half. Actually, before we talk about this tribe, should we talk about the fight for supplies and the coach and Ozzie and Q sequence, which I thought was really, really well done. I thought this was far and away the best fight for supplies that they've ever had. And how could it not be? Because there was so much built-in lore that came into this.

If this ends up being Coach and Q and, I don't know, pick out, you know, Rick Devons. It's not as iconic, but the lore of this whole other season-long war between Coach and Ozzy and this bad blood for 15. years where we come back and it looks like right off the jump it's like hey I was the jerk no I was the jerk we're so good now and then by the end

of this they leave the island and it's like you know what you're exactly who I thought you were I loved it I mean that's literally what we want from this season right it is like these like attempts to heal these bonds that immediately fall apart when like the people are forced into conflict

with each other and it was so earned all of it. And so we really, there was so much story there. It was just truly, truly wonderful. And it was a really well done challenge in terms of so many Survivor classics. Going back to the old, you know, survivor, I forget if there's an official name for it, to the, the unlock the cage to open the key. And it was really such an ordeal. And you saw Ozzy really really. struggling up there for 45 minutes where his back goes out and he tries to engineer this deal. And of course, there's nothing more survivor than making a promise and somebody not quite living up to what that promise ends up being.

And coach really felt like, okay, I'm playing the angles here. I didn't say that I'm going to go ahead. He didn't. Yeah. Yeah. His whole strategy the whole time was I want to steal this from Ozzie. Ozzie can't then just be like, oh, you can't steal this from me. You don't get to like say like no stealies.

Yeah. And then at the very end, Ozzy says, hey, nobody steal this from me and coach does it. And then Ozzy feels just as burned as he did by coach back in South Pacific. Yeah. And coach has been burned by Ozzy. And, you know, it's just like, I have a question for you, though, about this. But even before we get into the coach Ozzy dynamic, did the Vatu tribe drop the ball by sending Q instead of Colby? Like, how do you not add Colby into this mix? You know, Colby and coach had a rival, on heroes villains? Like, how do you, how do you like, you know, this guy, oh, cause my idea. Why did Q even have to go? That I always thought it's, okay, in all these other seasons,

you fight for supplies. I thought that Q's tribe just won the supplies. Yeah, why did Q? At first I was confused, it's Q just volunteering to go. Yeah. Why did Q need to go? Like, when they were just did a challenge

to get the Flint, but then this was for the, the supplies because in every other iteration of this, one tribe wins. Yeah. They got the Flint and then the fan they had to earn the supplies too. Yeah. I didn't understand why Q even needed to go.

You have to talk to the fans about that. I guess so. The fans didn't vote on this. The fans didn't vote on in fight for supplies. No, apparently the fans voted on like should supplies be easy to get or not. I guess so. It just said that I, listen, I wasn't complaining that I got more Q in the show, so that part was fine.

But just from the rules perspective, I was like, well, what was the whole point of this challenge if Q didn't even get the supplies for his team? Yeah. Very fun challenge, like you said. Again, like seeing Oz smoke every part of it was great. And then the last minute, you know, rugpole by coach was great.

And then you have Exile Island is back. You know, my old stop and grounds. I know. And I have to say, I absolutely loved the addition of Exile Island. I don't know if it's going to be a staple here in this season, but much like going back to Survivor Token Cheans, the idea of two-person exile island where alliances and deals could be formed.

I was loving this. Yeah, I loved it too. It was great. And it wasn't like a belabored segment either. It was like, here we are. We're like miserable. There's things crawling on them. It felt very classic old school survivor in like the best way.

Yeah. And I kind of was disappointed with how the journey ended up turning out in the third, I guess the third hour where we saw where, okay, three people went. And I almost wish that we sent two people to Exile Island here, where it was like, okay, Mike White and Colby, you're going to go to Exile Island now. Rather than like the stacking challenge, which was sort of a dud when we saw it last time. Well, not Mark. I wonder if there's some way to like, okay, that you, two of you were going to go to Exile

Island and one of you is going to, or. One of you is going to go back. The other two are going to go to Exile Island and do this challenge. Right, right. That would be cool. That would be cool. Because I thought it was such a nothing burger for Mike White to just like, okay, you get the person who's not going to be in this, you just leave.

Yeah. So he takes the boat. All right. Back you go. We did get some drama, though, out of the whole situation where then Mike White asked Colby about what happened with Ozzie and coach. And then we got to see. the retelling of that story.

So I very much enjoyed that. But in terms of three people go and then just, okay, pick one person that's going to leave. I thought that there was kind of nothing that came out of that. And it could have been a challenge for three people, you know, like there was no reason to like there could have been a third person stacking the blocks.

Yeah. Which I think there was, it was not like four people out previously or three, at least three people. Caroline did it. And we just introduced the Exile Island. I kind of thought we were, you know,

we could do some more with that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This sort of felt like a weird choice. Yes. Okay. But on exile, then we have Ozzie and Coach, I'm sorry, Ozzie and Q, and they end up having to stay over overnight on Exile Island. And then in the morning, they have to do this barter.

And they have to ultimately decide who is going to, one person is going to lose their vote. And the other person is, and that that person will go back to the tribe with supplies. And the other person will get an extra vote, but not go back with any supplies. And this made like, I actually think they both kind of made the right choice for themselves. I mean, I don't think, you know, Q's, you know, obviously you don't know, but like his tribe is pretty strong and they're doing great. You know, Ozzy's tribe just came off of a loss. And then Ozzy gets the extra vote, which is, you know, big for him. Yeah.

I thought it was interesting for Q though, because he, his tribe already has fire. So it was not, it was not as big of a deal for him to come back with the Flint, but I guess the pot. right? The pot and the machete, I guess, ends up being something that he's able to bring back to the group. But yeah, I mean, what did you do? I mean, is this the new Oscar, you know, strategic getting the advantages?

He does have an extra vote here. And so that ends up being helpful that he does put his foot down in terms of not allowing Surrey to be voted out. So I mean, I think there's promise.

Yeah, I think you're right, though, vis-a-vis him putting his foot down. Like, I think the tone with which he did that was, it looked like it was definitive in terms of, like, Surrey staying. You know, we don't know, obviously, for sure, but it did seem like there was a movement to vote Surrey out. And then just the very fact of Ozzy being so rigidly against it kind of was like push them back in the other direction. But is that dissimilar from what we've seen from Ozzie in the past? No, but I mean, you know, yeah, I mean, you got the extra vote.

I think that, you know, and it's interesting. because Rick Devin's called this into question where Rick Devin's by the end of the third hour's like, Ozzy is not playing a smart game. Ozzy is that he's playing, he's being a provider. Nobody cares about that.

But Ozzy, I felt like in not wanting to bring back the supplies, was trying to say, hey, look, old Ozzy would have been the provider and would have come back with the supplies. That's not Oscar. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that's a great point.

I know it was super fun to see Ozzie a gang. You know, I think some, you know, I think he's like, right, whenever we always get Jeff saying, you know, oh, CBS made me cast him. But I thought this was great. Like, this is what I want. You know, someone who's like growing and changing looks a bit like Jack Sparrow, but like, you know, plays like, I don't know, like his old self too. Yeah.

I thought all of the old school players delivered in this episode where that I was excited to see all of them come back and see them for the third and fourth time. I didn't complain about any of them. Yeah, I think I totally agree with you. It was great across the board. Okay. Let's go back to the Calo tribe now that Coach is going to eventually return. We saw the least from this tribe in terms of what they have going on.

We saw a lot from Coach. But in terms of what's actually happening back on the beach, we did see that there is a little bit of a movement. against D that you heard her name come up a couple of different times. We heard Chrissy mention it. We heard Jonathan mention it. Those seem to be the two biggest voices of we need to take D out. Then also on this tribe, you have Mike White is here. Stephen, did you see Mike White is ripped?

He's ripped. Rob, it is the body T? Would you say the body is T? I would say it's so much so. Yeah. Unbelievable. He's totally jacked. I couldn't, like, and killing it in the challenges and in the yoga session on the beach.

Yeah. So Mike White came back and he's ready. Yeah. Very fun, very fun narrator. I really like love his observations. He somehow like in spite of being, you know, Goliath is able to sort of have this sort of like, oh, shucks demeanor about him. I'm like, oh, you know, look at me.

I'm with these crazy people, you know, even though he's probably one of the most, you know, certainly one of the most accomplished people in survivor history. But, but, that's, yeah. But, but, uh, I loved how observant to your point, uh, earlier, he was about coach. And when he like, just sort of like laughingly says, oh, yeah, like, Colby was talking about you and you like snagged this thing. And then coach just like goes blank. Like Mike's narration of that. Like, I just feel like he captured all of it.

Well, that's, I think the best part about watching Mike White as a player where that he can really call the action of what's how. happening with these other characters, like in the moment and really can help tell a story to us at home about what's going on in a really descriptive way. So I thought that that was really a perfect Mike White moment to be able to call what coach was going through. And then we get to see coach telling everybody about how he was feeling with that. Yeah. Right.

And you really just saw him like totally shocked because I do. think what's so great about coach is that this honor and integrity thing is really important to him. Even when he first made the key, he was like, I'm going to be, you know, vicious when I must, but honor and integrity, you know, at all point, you know, and the fact that this was called into question. And I bet the fact that it was called into question by Colby specifically, probably really rankled him. So going back to that moment with coach and Ozzy, did coach play that correctly? Yes. Yes. Like, you know, you got the key.

Like I think so. Like, you know, if you don't get the key, like what? Like, Ozzy's less mad at you. And you have a reputation. And your tribe is pissed because you're like, what? Why didn't you take it? You like did some gentleman's agreement? No, get the supplies.

You got to like your job. It's a game. Your job here is to like provide for your tribe. We've seen it both ways where when Jolenski came back and told Q of all people the story of that, hey, I didn't really want to force it. I gave up my hand with Maria and Tavin. They were all pissed at him. Why? Why did you do that?

You didn't try to get us to supplies. But coach doesn't necessarily need to go back and tell that story to everybody. And also, coach doesn't know that he would then in that spot end up on Exile Island with Q, would have an opportunity to come back with the supplies after a night on Exile Island with. That could be the best case scenario for coach to be able to come back and do that. And instead, though, that I don't know if he's going to realize that he is going to make Ozzy very upset. And now you have Ozzy poisoning the well against coach once again, where Survivor is

such a funny game because you could, you know, think about all these scenarios, but there's a positive and a downside to all of these decisions. Yeah. I mean, I still think it's the right one. And I do almost like he's inoculated because it's Ozzy, you know, because it's like, oh, coach and Ozzie are at it again. And, you know, those two, you know, it's not like, if it was somebody else, it would honestly in a way be worse where if like Kyle was out there, like being like,

you know, coach really betrayed me. You know, like that might like hit different than like. But I do think that the, the best case scenario for coach would have been, hey, Ozzy, you know, I'm a man of my word. I said, you know, you take the thing. And so I think he would have felt like, okay, Ozzie owes me a favor. He spends the night on Exile Island with Q. He would have loved that.

And then when Q and coach have to decide who's going to take the supplies and who's going to lose their vote, if coach loses his vote at the, like, I think that coach would not mind losing his vote on this first vote where he could come back. I assume he would take the martyr approach, right? Yeah, he would come back and say, oh, my hands are tied. I can't vote. I can't vote over the first person. And he would, I think, have been able to benefit so much from the other scenario. again, a lot of this he could not have known,

but I think it ultimately would have been a better decision for him to have just let it pass. Yeah. So really in the moment, you think the right choice for coach is like Ozzy wants this, like he's doing all the work, just like let him have it. I think if you go back to the 49 laws of power,

I think that that's somewhere that's in there about like work with your enemies because then they're going to try harder to win you over and so if, you know, coach was going to like truly work with his enemy here, I think that you probably, when working with your enemies especially, I think it's probably that you let them have one. Yeah.

I mean, Ozzy was working really hard. I still think I would do what coach did. I don't know. It's like my job here is not to like just watch you do something. My job is to like, you know, you're there for a reason. I don't know. I mean, I hear you.

I hear you that from like a social game perspective, like you're alienating Ozzy, then now that's getting, I mean, and the way it played out was terrible for coach, right? Now it's getting back and like, oh,

you know, you snakeed Ozzy and the, but like nobody's mad at him. I think he'll be fine ultimately. Yeah. He has so much goodwill from so many other players that if Ozzy is really trying to talk badly about coach, then it's not the end of the world for him.

But I just think that there is this other. scenario that could have played out, which would really would have worked in his favor. By the way, like, this is why old school survivor is amazing, right? Like, because there is that sense of, like, you did me dirty. Like, I feel like this is the problem with new school survivor generally. It's, yeah, okay, he did the transactional thing. Of course he did. Like, we're all playing the perfect transactional game.

But, like, getting some of these older players back where they're like, you betrayed me. You stole the key when you didn't have to steal the key. And, like, you know, that's just like, it's so rich. So back at this tribe at Calo, We have now, coach returns to himself, Mike White, Jonathan, and Charlie. Then there's D, Tiffany, Camilla, and Chrissy. And so it seems like that there's a smaller faction of D and Tiffany and Camilla. Yeah, which, by the way, very fun faction.

Fun faction. The new Witches Coven? Oh, wow. Or the new Black Widow Brigade or which is Coven or just, you know, but like I love like Camilla was like I just played the honor and an integrity game. Yeah. And now I want the chaos game. Like we want like chaos vote someone out, chaos vote someone out. Very, very like that would be very fun.

Well, this ultimately was a huge night for Camilla and not so much necessarily for what she did in the episode. But I do think that the loss of Kyle is her gain in this season where. Kyle, I don't believe, was going to get voted out by his tribe. I was very worried about Camilla in being the person who, much like Amber in Winners at War, hey, Boston Rob is on the other tribe. We better vote off Amber because if they get back together, uh-oh, watch out. And then to have it be where Kyle ends up having this horrible injury that causes him to leave the game. and I know that Camilla is, you know, great, great friends with Kyle in real life.

But for her game in season 50, I think her game is now majorly on the upswing because the biggest thing you worried about with Camilla was that she's going to link back up with Kyle. And now to have Kyle out of the picture, Camilla could be headed to the stratosphere. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and the question is just like how that tribe breaks down. I mean, what have we seen? We've seen like Charlie and Mike have like been chatting. We've seen Chris.

But in the preseason, Mike was down on Charlie. Well, but you know that stuff goes out the window when as soon as you eat at the be. You've seen we've got the D Camilla Tiffany grouping. Jonathan, I guess. Who have we seen Jonathan? With, we've seen him with coach. We've seen him with Mike and we've seen him with Chrissy. So that does seem, honestly, it looks like that's a little bit of a bigger group.

You got like a five and a three here. Yeah. So it'll come down to. really an interesting split. Dee and Charlie are close. They're very good friends. And that I don't see Charlie voting against D in that spot. Now, this tribe may never go to tribal council.

That might also be a moot point where, yeah, we're worried about D right now. And they have Jonathan. And the other tribes are diminished. Yeah, right. That would be big. And so now they're in an opportunity where they could, could sit out, say, Camilla in the challenge now also. Right.

And she kind of like, it's like the Sandra role of like that's sort of like, I'm just hanging out here and then like get to the end that way. Yeah. So I think that I could see a world where this group doesn't even go to the tribal council before they have a swap. Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, it's a, I mean, Jonathan is so dominant in the challenges.

And everybody here, it's like, you know, Chrissy's one of the best female challenges. She's got the tied for the legend, like the record, right? Like this is a really, you know, Mike White. It's like the new Super Mike. It's a good, it's a good group. Yeah. There are people in the challenges are, you know, if Mike White is their worst challenge competitor, now he's ripped.

And P.S. like, Camilla is like a superstar in the puzzles, right? She was always like on it in the puzzles on that. Yeah, she's really good in the puzzles. Charlie is somebody who won a bunch of a movies. Is a marathon winner, is grip strength. I need to hold on anything. Right, right.

So. This is bad. I mean, Vatu, you know, Kyle was arguably their strongest guy. Mm-hmm. And, you know, obviously Colby is, you know, a legend, but, you know, older now. Yeah, and they've got Q also. It was great, yeah. But I think that, like, you know, we saw when they were putting people up for, like, the strong, like, the strong part of the challenges,

it was, like, largely Colby and Kyle. Mm-hmm. Okay. So this could be really bad for the Vatu truck. Uh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm.

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I know, what a fake-out. Not since drop your assumptions and so many other times. Jeff ends up really messing with them about how he tells them with the rice. He says that they're going to give you the chance to show what bad asses you are. And they voted against giving you rice. But I'll say to the fans, what the hell? What do you care? Give them rice.

It makes the better TV. You know, it's like not to see them hungry. Doesn't like make better TV. They're just like, what's your problem? Yes, fans. Come on, fans. Yeah. I can't watch it.

They're getting too much food. Yeah. People need more energy. It's better. It's better for them. Better for them as humans, better television. Yeah. Okay.

And then the fans voted for the players to have to earn their tribe supplies. They can't just have a pot. Yeah. I will say that the fans did eat on this one because the fight for supplies was very good. And it created a lot of drama. And you might have been right on that one, even though that's not how I voted. Jeff also said about this that he said the first vote was 53 to 47. And then he said the second vote, a very similar vote, 60 to 40.

Yeah. True. I think that set seven percentage points. No, I know. But it's like the both like, you know, same kind of, you know, same idea. Same idea. Okay. All right.

Yeah, 53.47 is a lot closer than a 6040s. Yes. Okay. Politics would not be considered close. Yes. Do we assume the fans have voted for idols, considering that we have the Billy Elish boomerang idol? It looks like, well, they said the fans have voted for like dynamic, dynamic advantages.

Well, yeah, that's from the Savannah thing. I guess Billy Eilish did explain that the fans did vote for idols, and I don't know what the exact number was on the vote. Yeah. Overwhelmingly. But then, okay, so then the Savannah thing was a little confusing. Okay, so she ends up going. She beats Colby in the journey and she gets an advantage.

And great news, Savannah, the fans have voted. And they voted for dynamic advantages. And now Savannah gets a steal a vote? Uh, no, it was a block of vote. Was it a block of vote? Yeah, it's block a vote. Okay. Yes.

A secret block of vote. So how can you describe to me, Stephen, as a knower of things, knowing us know it all, a person who had the steal a vote? Okay, is the block of vote, how is that a dynamic advantage? I think dynamic means more for them. Yeah, I think that's a regular.

In fact, the block of vote typically one of the weaker advantages, you know, but I guess like maybe dynamic just means like more stuff. Okay. Yeah. We'll take your word for it. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, Savannah, I just really enjoyed.

Like, we got a lot of Savannah, and it was very fun. I felt like she did exactly what she did in her season, which was gave like, like, biting confessional to the camera, but was like very much in the mix of her tribe as like a key, you know, part of the strategy. Like, just like socially charming within her tribe, but to the camera, like, very quick and biting and like incisive. thought she was great. She doesn't seem to be in very much danger at all from this group. What did you think about Savannah's decision to come clean and tell people that she is the winner

of season 49? Great choice. They're going to find out, right? You don't know if Rizzo's going to let it slip. Obviously, everyone is thinking that because there's- Was anybody mad that she spoiled season 49 for them? Like, well, I was going to watch it. Yeah, now it's probably so. Which person would be the maddest about Christian, I think. Yeah, probably. Maybe Christian. Yeah. So that's what's going on with Savannah.

Who haven't we talked about tonight? Let's see. We talked about most of the Sela tribe. We haven't really really talked about Charlie or really Chrissy, just barely. You haven't didn't see much of them. And that's really it, I think, looking at this cast list. Okay. Yeah.

We saw a moment with Charlie and. Mike White, they see the beginning along. We got Chrissy talking to coach. And like, that was really different. You know, we haven't talked too much about Jonathan. What do you think about? Oh,

yeah, Jonathan 2.0. There was a lot of Jonathan, by the way, like both literally and, and in terms of screen time. Yeah. Yeah, great.

I mean, I just really, he's fun. I feel like he's, he's huge and awesome in the challenges, but he also has a lot of personality. And he seems like very strategically aware. Yes.

He has been, I'm not sure how much you are aware of this, studying at the foot of Mr. Rob. Boston Rob has taken Jonathan under his wing. Oh, I knew that, like, I saw an interview where he said, like, Rob gave him tips. Yes, and he gave him a letter to read on the plane. Oh, that's nice. Yes.

Told him to smile more. Don't trust anybody. Okay. I think that was the gist of it. But, yeah, it seemed like that Jonathan and Chrissy seem like that they are a close alliance. and then coach also. Yeah. Coach says I'm never going to turn my back on you.

That's perfect for both of those guys. Like coach is a coach and like he loves like the young, well literally like the young Alabama, you know, up and comer, you know, guy who's. Yeah, but also that you talked about this when we did the episode when we talked about the martyr approach of that you know that coach, you're the wizard. I mean, to add a giant to barbarian or something.

Yes. You know, you get to like... To the war here. Coney an element here. Yeah, this is like plays right into his... Coach just thought, he came in great. He had all the quip. He had the lines.

He had the quotes. But he also just had like a little bit more like gravitas to him. This was the coach I've been waiting for. Okay. All right. So unless you have anything else on your plate, then... The muddy challenge. Don't appreciate it.

You know, now we know who everybody is. So they were like, we got to bring back the mud. Even with that. It's like, let me see them. Let me know who's doing what. Like that, like, it's less of that figuring out. Jeff loves the mod too much. This is a birth.

It doesn't have to be a birth. It's a TV show. Let me just see what it is. He says, it's this is, he said, it's their birth into the show, right? Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't like it. Okay.

So, of course, Stephen, we've had so much fun talking about classic Survivor. And of course, if you love talking about classic Survivor, you're going to love this book, the tribe and I have spoken, which is available for pre-order. And have we talked about this, that Stephen Fishback has written a beautiful forward to the author of Escape. We got him to write a beautiful forward of The Tribe and I have spoken. Yeah, it was an honor. I truly great honor to be able to do it. I really put a lot of care into it because I really wanted it to, you know, speak to, you know,

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And for the patrons, we just announced tickets for the big live show. show in New York City, which is going to be a big celebration because the tribe and I have spoken comes out on May 5th. So it's going to be a big book launch premiere week for me coming up that first week of May. You can go to Robbins website.com slash events for more information on all of that. Ben, Steven Fishback's book, Escape is a national bestseller. Tell everybody. Yeah, this was incredible to me.

This is like truly the fulfillment. I mean, I really was hawking it hard all for the past few months, but like, I cannot think, and really it's the know-it-all's audience. The Rob is a podcast audience. I know that this is like, you guys made it happen and I am so grateful. This is like the fulfillment of a life dream. I cannot believe it. Like for the rest of my life, I get to be a bestselling novelist. And that is like truly like it boggles my mind.

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I can't, like, speak to it. It just means so much to me. It's like my whole life has changed. I will say, if you are waiting for your pre-order map, keep waiting. We have not forgotten you. The map is coming. I said it would take a long time, and it is taking a long time, only because I really want it to be good.

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So hopefully very soon it will be out the door. But I've, like, printed multiple versions. And I'm like, like, again, like, I'm driving everybody crazy because I want to be really good. I'm like tweaking it and then like reprinting it. And anyway, but it will, it will get to you.

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Talk to Sophie B. coming up on Thursday. And then this Sunday, I thought it would be fun to do a all Survivor 50 mailbag. There's three hours of Survivor to talk about. I'm sure the listeners are going to have a lot of fun questions about the premiere, what's going to come to pass. So I'm going to get into a Survivor 50 mailbag with Brandon Donlin coming up on Sunday. We'll post a question thread in the next couple days for that. And of course, all of our other coverage here on Survivor.

Go to we know Survivor.com for the B&B with Mike and Leanna. Global Survivor is going on right now with Australian Survivor, Why Blank Lost. And of course, Survivor News with the baby boys. We've got Bryce and Wendell and Jack Atkins talking about everything over. all on we know survivor.com on Monday for the patrons. The Club Condo premiere is going on where Chappelle and I will reopen Club Condo to talk about all of the stuff that we need to get to talking about from social media and beyond. Find out what Chappelle thought about the premiere and so much more on the Club Condo premiere

episode. Earlier tonight, Steve and I talked about Beast Games also with Taryn Armstrong, talk to the winner of Beast Games, which, spoiler alert there on the card. And then we got into a full recap of the episode. So check that out over on Beast Games.

And then tomorrow night, Stephen, it all comes down to this. The final six of the Traders season four will have a finale recap. Then the reunion show, which I went out to go to Los Angeles, to go film a couple of weeks ago.

And then I'll be live with Pooja after the big finale of the traders. Wow. And by the way, also, oh my God. Thursday, we're going to podcast about the three nights of House of Villains. So check that out as well. Myself.

I process it all. There's so much like. There's too much. Coming into your head. That's crazy. And you know where you process it all over on chat, BCC? They've got, in addition to everything we've got going on on our Survivor. They've also got a new House of Villains group chat over on.

chat BCC. Join it on the fun. Go to Robb's website.com slash VIP chat for that. Okay. Amazing. So too much going on. That's incredible. It's truly like it's unbelievable how much you got.

I mean, just reads it's like the Survivor and the Beast games. I'm like it's so much. I mean, it's wonderful. I love it. But like you've got like 16 other shows just like in your, you know, got to keep track of it all, Stephen. Yeah.

Like you're like, where did that great strategic move happen? Which would show? By the way, my favorite scripted show, Paradise came back this week also. Wow. I don't even know Paradise. Yeah. You'd love it. Okay. All right. Steven, anything else you want to tell people? No, this is lovely. I'm so excited to be back. This is a great season.

All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We'd love to hear what you to say in the comments. And stay tuned for exit interviews and much more coming up on Thursday. Take care of a good one. Bye.