RHAP: We Know Survivor - Legit to Quit: Ranking Survivor Voluntary Exits

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

Legit to Quit: Ranking Survivor Voluntary Exits Also on YouTube! Dive into Survivor 51 with Rob Cesternino and Brandon Donlon as they break down the most unforgettable Survivor quits of all time—pro...mpted by Rhode Island Rob’s dramatic exit this season. This episode pulls no punches, as Rob and Brandon sort every quit in show history into a tier list, debating which departures are truly “legit” and which stand as pure “BS.” If you’ve ever questioned what drives a player to walk away, this is the Survivor analysis you can’t miss. Rob and Brandon discuss: Rhode Island Rob’s controversial quit and its ripple effects on the cast, production, and even Brandon’s own Survivor dreams. The creative “legit, quit, or BS” tier list, ranking everyone from Jenna and Sue Hawk (All-Stars) to Colton’s infamous early exit. The surprising stories behind lesser-known quits, including Melissa McNulty’s pregame withdrawal and Papa Smurf’s battle with fire ants. Insightful comparisons between old-school and new-era quits: What makes a departure understandable, and when is it inexcusable? Candid reflections on how Survivor production handles medical issues, cast preparedness, and how quitting shapes the season’s narrative. This episode blends Survivor history with sharp debate on the ethics and impact of quitting the world’s toughest reality game. Would you tap out with a staph infection, lack of clothes, or just because Survivor is harder than you thought? Which exit stands as the ultimate “BS” move—and is there such a thing as a truly “legit” quit in Survivor history? Listen now for a deep dive into Survivor’s quitters and see where your opinions stack up against Rob and Brandon’s unfiltered rankings. Chapters: 00:00 Rhode Island Rob Quits Survivor 06:04 Osten Taylor’s Staph Infection Quit 10:13 Jenna’s Emotional Departure 13:12 Sue Hawk’s Exit and Probst’s Regret 15:45 Janu Quits to Save Ally 17:28 Melissa McNulty Quits Before Game 19:26 Papa Smurf’s Medical Struggles 24:02 Kathy Sleckman and Medication Issues 25:50 Purple Kelly, Nayonka: Double Quits 32:15 Dana’s Illness in Philippines 34:52 Colton’s Day 5 Walk-Off 36:08 Lindsay Ogle Leaves After Cliff 37:52 Julie McGee Leaves for Rocker 39:49 Bi Nguyen Exits for MMA Career 43:28 Matthew Injures Shoulder 54:18 Hannah Rose Quits Immediately 57:13 Sean Edwards’ Contested Quit Status 01:01:06 Ranking Rob and Colton’s Quits 01:08:17 Full Quits Tier List Recap Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Starting point is 00:00:08 This week on Survivor, the Survivor world was in unison, recoiling from what happened this week where Rhode Island Rob walked away from the game, sparking outrage from east to west of the United States. And so we thought, what are the most significant quits in Survivor history? Who was legit? Who was acquit? Here to talk about it with me. It's not Kevin Smith. It's Brandon Donlin. Brandon, how are you? You know, I've been better because, you know what, Rob took my spot. Yeah. I could have been on that show if Rob didn't quit.
Starting point is 00:00:47 And he quit, and thus my spot was taken by a guy who didn't even want to be there. That sucks. He took your spot on Survivor 51. He did. He did. I apply every year for this show. And they didn't put me on it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:01:01 And these are the guys they're taken for this show? Yes. That sucks. Okay. Well, we're going to do an exercise here. today, you have compiled every person who has ever quit the show, and we are going to put them into the tier list, and it could be T-E-A-R for these people who wanted to quit Survivor, and we're going to rank them in three levels that you came up with. Tell us about this system.
Starting point is 00:01:29 You know, this was inspired by, I was in a, I was in a very long car ride with Survivor 47's very own Andy over the weekend. And we, we, we, We kind of mentally did this, going through each quitter of Survivor, sorting them into, Rob and I thought of the name Too Legit to Quit. I think you thought of it. That's a great name. Too legit. Too legit, too quit.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Are you familiar with that song? You're familiar with the works of Hammer? I've held a hammer, but very minimally. Unless he's gone back to MC Hammer. I didn't know that was a song by MC Hammer. Not MC from Survivor. No, no. But she would make a great song, I'm sure if she tried. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Too Legit to Quit is a 1991 song by MC Hammer featuring the singer Saja, Saja, Saja. Yes, yes. Okay. Soon to be an open-era tribe name, Saja. It was from the follow-up album to the huge Please Hammer Don't Hurt them, I believe, was the original album that went, mega platinum. And that's the Can't Touch this album? You can't touch this, right?
Starting point is 00:02:43 Sure, sure, sure. Is he a one-hit wonder, or are we these songs? No, no, there's a couple. He has a couple of the songs. Is he still with us, M.C. Hammer? I believe so. I believe he still makes commercials. He's not been on any of the celebrity reality shows that I love so much, which he seems like a guy who would pop up as the,
Starting point is 00:02:59 as like the coat hanger on the mass singer or something. You would think so. He would think so. He's too legit for that. To quit. Yeah. We have three tiers. of quitter here. We have legit as our top tier
Starting point is 00:03:13 a valid reason to want to have left the television program we know and love a survivor. We have quit. Nothing much to say about it. It's a quit. Could have been punched up, but it's not the worst thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Could have gone either way. Yeah. Either way. And then we have bullshit as the third tier, which is, what are we doing? What are we doing? Put to, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:35 rub some dirt on it, get back out in the game. Right. And those are sparing, but they're there in our list of, it's an interesting thing. Survivor, if you Google any article this week, there are 16 canonical quitters in the show's history. We have 18 on this list, and I will explain the two extra ones afterward. Okay. Wow, we've got about a season of quitters now.
Starting point is 00:03:58 We can make it. Well, one of our quitters, spoiler, didn't ever play the season. Okay. Because she quit the day before. Okay. What a wild card. Should we put the tier list on the stage? Yeah, let's go ahead.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And, okay, let's take a look at what you have put together here for us. And we'll start in order with our first ever canonical quitter of the show. Now, people will remember, BB technically asks for a vote out. We don't count that. Roger Bingham, famously at the final five is like, take Elizabeth instead of me. We're not counting it. The first ever, I'm ready to get out of here, is Austin Taylor. of Survivor Pearl Islands.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Okay. So Austin, and it was a big deal. Jeff threw his torch on the ground. He said, Austin, get it. What do you say? Go home, get out of here. And it was a big deal, but, yes? No, no.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I'm like Santa, or a kid listening to Santa. You know what I mean? Sit down. We're talking about O.T. And he did want to go home. Now, he had sold his clothing. at the marooning and did not get much for it. Nobody asked him to sell his clothes, but he did.
Starting point is 00:05:14 And then stayed out in the jungle for, I mean, I'm not sure at what point he quit. I feel like it's like it would have been like the very end of the newer season. I want to say it was like day 21 or something. Yeah. And he's been cold and wet that whole time. Yeah. He's been dealing with that pelican. That pelican was giving him some smoke.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Right. And so I think had the outcasts already come back into the game also? Like, it could have been a little bit of like, really? Well, this is the round where they have now come back in. So they're doing the double tribal where Sean Cohen also leaves. So, yeah, he could have been over it in that respect. I think the outcast had come, like they had announced the outcast, like earlier in the day. And they lost the challenge to the outcast.
Starting point is 00:05:59 And they had to vote somebody out. And so it would have been like, you know what? Get me out of here. I'm an Austin Taylor, get me out of here. There's some talk of a, and I don't remember this, and I didn't Google it because I wanted you to tell me, there was some talk of a staff infection. Did he say he had that, or did he happen? I don't want to misrepresent it, but I'm going to look up his wiki real quick so I can get the official number of days that he ended up playing on the show.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Oh, listen, let's play a game. Austin Taylor, older or younger than? than Rob Cesternino. Older or younger than your boy? My guess would have been... Okay, so it's 2003. I say he's 30 in 2003. So that's plus 2013.
Starting point is 00:06:47 He's 53, final answer. He's not 53, but he is older than me. What's the age? He's the big 50. Happy... Yeah, and soon it'd be 51 in December. What are we going to do for it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:03 He lasted until day 19. Yeah, I mean, that's what? That's, who's getting voted out on day 19? Like, Bruce Peralt on 45? Like, I think that's around that. You go in the eighth place spot is probably day 19. Yeah. And so, in an interview, Austin revealed that he quit because he had multiple staff infections.
Starting point is 00:07:21 How do you know, now, I don't know you could, like, I feel like you have a staff infection or you don't. I didn't know you got multiple. But this is a quit. This is, and you know what, bordering on legit. Yeah, I think so. I think, I mean, we'll talk about Purple Kelly, who is put out there with no clothes. It is kind of Austin's fault that he had no clothes, but I get why you can't sustain this environment. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:45 With no clothing. Okay. All right. Now, he's Austin with an O. Do you think that Carter would think that that's, does Carter have friends that are Austin with an O'ST? I have never encountered another Austin with an O. No. And it really, when I read it, I have to physically try not to say OSTO.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Austin. It looks like OSTIT. Mm-hmm. The way that Aric looks like Aric. Yeah. I mean, do you think that this should be legit? This is the first one, so it's tough to find where our rubric is. No, I think this is the first canonical quit.
Starting point is 00:08:15 And there is no legit, I think, and we'll get to it is medical. But you know what? That nobody had ever quit the show before. So I think that there's like, there's some present, like, can somebody quit the show? We hadn't, like, only Mike Scoopin had been pulled for medical reasons. So we had not gotten to the point where, survivor medical was like, this is looking pretty bad.
Starting point is 00:08:36 We're going to pull this guy. Yeah, and I wonder, I mean, it was that, did that happen, and they didn't air it that he had medical visits? Did they know what a staff infection was in 2003? I got to be honest. Do I know what a staff infection is in 2020-6? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:54 When the crew gets sick, that's what I call a staff infection. Yeah. It's a disease called by a strafellacoccus bacteria, a group of germs that live harmlessly on the skin, or in the nose about 30% of people, these bacteria turn into an infection when they enter the body through a break in the skin.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah, I think everybody on Survivor Co-Rong, they were given it. It was like the sea of money. Everybody just got a staff infection. They handed it out to the whole cast. So, I mean, I don't know how dangerous they are. I'm not a doctor. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:27 But maybe it's not the worst infection. that the severity of staff infection ranges from harmless, completely harmless or minor to severe and life-threatening. Oh, that doesn't help us very much at all. So, okay, let's literally leave it as a quit. And we need to set the rubric. You know what I mean? We have to have a leveling ground.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Right. And people will be at the top of quit or the bottom. I could see him being at the bottom of legit or at the top of quit. So he's right in that area. Sure. Afterward, only about, what, nine episodes, canonically of Survivor afterward, we have your one-time good friend
Starting point is 00:10:01 Jenna Maraska who quits on the third episode of Survivorovic. I think you still say my good friend. Well, then, I mean, then it's 2003. You got your good friends, you know. People fade with time. So Jenna Maraska, she left in Survivor All-Stars, that she knew her mom was
Starting point is 00:10:17 in failing health. She felt like that she had a feeling that things were not going well. It turned out to be a very astute feeling. Her mom passed away soon. She got home in time. Got to say this is legit. Legit. Can I ask you questions about when you lived this? You were there? Sure. Did you meet Jenna Marasca's mom leading up to Survivor? Yes. At the, oh, but at the finale and I had visited her one time in person.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Did you know going into Survivor All-Stars that her mom was sick? Yes. I mean, it was quite a big plot point in Survivor All-Stars. But close to the end, rather. I mean, you would, like, what did I know at 24? Like, oh, like, things are, like, you know, the whole time I knew her that her mom had had cancer, so I did not know that necessarily the things were deteriorating. And they really, and I haven't rewatched the episode in quite some time, but I don't think they make, like, a big thing of, like, I think in, when Sue quits,
Starting point is 00:11:21 they're showing the people from, I guess they're showing Jenna, like, they're showing people she had prior relationships with. You really had no confessional. You had no camera shot after Geniquets. Yeah. They, you know, that... Nothing. You know?
Starting point is 00:11:39 Did you say anything unremarkable when she left? I mean, I'm sure I said goodbye to my friend. Yeah, that's really interesting. You were, you lived it. You were there for that. I was there. And that's, this is legit. I mean, you kind of,
Starting point is 00:11:54 hard thing to say is a, is a negligible quit. That's a pretty legitimate reason to go. We don't have Terry on this list. Did Terry quit? Terry Dietz? Yeah, what are they, that they don't count Terry Dietz as a canonical quit? Let's see what Survivor, Cambodia, the Wikipedia page, calls what Terry did. A family ledevac.
Starting point is 00:12:16 So Terry withdrew. With Drew? Yeah. Next, on the podcast this week, you're going to be withrew. kind of in a couple days. But Terhites withdrew to a family emergency is what the Wikipedia is. Okay. I mean, we'll call that legit also.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Honor and legit. Yeah. And then we have Sue Hawke. Yeah, Sue Hawke. Recent guests on the podcast, we're going to call this legit at all. Here's what, like, are you going to make me rank Jenna and Sue? They don't count. Don't screenshot it.
Starting point is 00:12:51 They're tied for first. Are we ranking this? So, yeah, Jeff recently did an interviewer. He talked about this, and he talked about how he actually had regrets about how he handled this, that he really just didn't want Sue to leave the game. And so he had some regret about how he had handled that situation. Yeah, I think it's one of the clips that I think he said also that he has a hard time watching it whenever it pops up. And I get it.
Starting point is 00:13:19 But that's also the passage of time. You realize how you could have handled things better after. 20 years. But yeah. Both pretty legit. And those are really the only like lockdown legits of the whole list. Yeah, I'm going to be honest. Podcasts kind of a downer so far. Well, we're going to get into something super fun. Here's a, here's Genu from Survivor for Lowe. Okay. So Janu was the one that quit. She quit at tribal council, if I recall, right? Where I think it was that the case was, and this was that, A real talking point, I feel like, in the Survivor Sucks era, was that Stephanie was really on the ropes at tribal council. And then people felt like that Jeff pressured Genu into walking away, correct?
Starting point is 00:14:08 That is what people think. I don't remember if the edited show looks like that in my mind. Where do people get that from? I think that hasn't Genu said that? I think that it was the edit gave you that impression. Oh, interesting. And what was he, I mean, your recollection, what is he saying to Genu? Like, you're not going to win.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Why don't you let her stay? Is that what he's saying? I'd have to go and see if I can dig up my notes from TEOS of, let me see if I can do that. Luckily, I think I can bring them up pretty quick and see what the issue was. What I will say while you're doing that about Genu in particular is I think this is so interesting. And I support my people don't remember. Check the tape. My bold prediction for season 45 of Survivor in Fiji a week before the game started with Dalton Ross was somebody is going to quit to save an ally, which I think is super compelling TV, ultimately ends up happening at the First Tribal Council of Survivor 45.
Starting point is 00:15:07 But I love when people do this. I think like I watch Survivor for like the human psychology and the people interacting with each other in a unique way. If you want to quit so your buddy can go further, do it. I think that's awesome. So I, it's again, like what was. Was Janu going to win the season? No. Was Genu going to be voted off shortly after that? If she didn't quit? Yes.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Do you want to give Stephanie one more shot to win immunity? Yes. Sure. Love it. She went to Exile Island. She comes back and she says it was great. She says it came full circle. She didn't want to come back to the tribe from Exile Island. And
Starting point is 00:15:43 this must be a tribal council. Jeff asked Janu. Genu, why keep you? She said, there's no reason. And Stephanie said, It kills me. Somebody who could care less. I'd kill to be here. She said, I've already received what I wanted to receive from this experience.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Jeff said, do you feel like you're on the hot seat? And Stephanie said, I know I am. And so, Genu said there would be no difference in me throwing down my torch. So Jeff says to her, as per your wishes, your game is over tonight. So, you know, it's ironic because I kind of feel like a new era survivor. Like, Genu's like, hey, I got what I needed to get out of the experience. I think that they would have probably applauded her. Yeah, it's all about the experience.
Starting point is 00:16:28 It's all about the experience. So I'll say that to me, this is maybe the top of BS. I get, I like it. I like it for the television show, but that doesn't. Is the BS tier, or if you're at the bottom of the BS tier, that means you are the worst of the worst or you're at the top but like this is the most BS that you can imagine. No, if we put
Starting point is 00:16:55 Genu at the top of the BS tier the bottom of the BAS here is where Rob and company will go. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. There's a reason for this one, which I like the reason because I like it for the TV show. I think it makes it more interesting. How about somebody that we've never seen
Starting point is 00:17:13 on the television show Survivor? We know her name, not her story. We know a little bit about her story. It's Melissa McNulty who quits in the the pregame of Survivor Fiji. Yeah. She didn't want to go. She wanted to do it.
Starting point is 00:17:28 She was done. Yeah. Every time there's a quit, people say online, I wish you would have just quit so the alternate could go. Yeah, she quit before the season started. It's better to have quit than to never, than to play didn't quit. You know, she knows what she wants. I'd say I'll put her, just put her in quit. Yeah, she quit.
Starting point is 00:17:53 She didn't do anything more or less. She quit. We don't know anything about her or why. We don't know why. I think the rumor is panic attack, which shout out. She's not in our group chat with panic attack people, but we can add her in. You know, she's somebody that T-Bird had had on the list for a long time. I don't know if T-Bird gave up on that one.
Starting point is 00:18:12 But she could just be anybody. Like, you could get anybody on the call. Say, hey, this is Melissa McNulty. Yeah. My sister could do that. But maybe listen. I would love to talk to her and she'd be like, you know what, Rob, I would have won. I watched the season and I knew I could tell that these were people that I would have, I would have outsmarted them.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I would have identified Earl day one was he was going home. I had it. Yow Man was going to be the second person that I got rid of. She was going to the end. with Erica and Sylvia, B. Yes, yes. I had it. And that, so I need that.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Yeah. Well, why don't we... Well, I'll bump Tiber. Let's see if T-Bird... Were they in correspondence? I don't know. I think that... So I have given T-Bird hundreds of names for people
Starting point is 00:19:09 for talking about T-Bird, and I'm sure she was on the list. Well, I'll resurface that ask, because I... Or we'll look together, because I'm curious also. Yeah. How about another...
Starting point is 00:19:20 another friend of Melissa McNulty or somebody that it's like a misconnection. She could have been really great friends with. Papa Smurf. Popa Smurf. Yeah. This is legit. Like, he had a lot of like medical issues, correct? Yeah, he got bit by those ants.
Starting point is 00:19:39 He got bit by the ants. And did he also get hurt in the challenge or am I conflating him with maybe Mikey B? Mara Rossi? Yeah. Yeah. A different Mikey B. But spiritually the same. Yeah, but he had some kind of like allergic reaction to the ants. Yes. Yeah, there's a clip of Papa Smurf doing the slip and slide challenge where he falls hard.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Yeah. I don't think that resulted in injury. But yeah, those ants, they took to him. They were at Thanksgiving with him. They really took to him. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, you got to leave. I'm going to say not as legit as Jenna or Sue.
Starting point is 00:20:16 But right now he's number three. on legit it is interesting why would they not have just pulled him outright why do you think
Starting point is 00:20:27 I forget why they gave him the option to stay in the old days like I do think that it's as the show
Starting point is 00:20:37 has gotten like further into its evolution I think the show has gotten smarter I think that they also have gotten
Starting point is 00:20:47 more okay the lawyers and the network and the insurance are like, okay, here are the things that you need to pull people for. Let's be safe. Let's not make, you know, let's be on the right side of history on these things. But back then they would be like rub some dirt on it. Yeah. Like unless you were going to the hospital, we're not pulling you.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah. And Gary said, hey, can we go to the hospital? Is the hospital an option? and they airlifted him out. They said, see ya. Did he leave on an airlift? No. Didn't he?
Starting point is 00:21:24 I think he left on a boat. In my head, he's in a helicopter. Did my Ferrisi leave on a helicopter? I also don't think so. They call him the chopper. You can't say it's a quit and they take you around on a chopper. Yeah, that'd be a cool way to leave. You get to ride in like,
Starting point is 00:21:46 the, like a PT cruiser if you quit. That's what they should do. You got to ride in like the loser guy car. They should have a car that's called like the loser mobile. I guess they need like a loser boat, like a clown boat. Yeah. Yeah, there's hundreds of clowns. Yeah, and they like,
Starting point is 00:22:04 and they honk the clown but like, okay, bring in the clown boat if you want, as for your wishes. I really like this. I think we should send this to somebody. The as per your wishes is interesting We've gotten away from that also My thought And we'll get to it for
Starting point is 00:22:22 For our friend from season 51 But I do think if you're going to quit And you're not medically needing to quit In the moment you should quit at tribal council You should leave where everybody else sleeps You shouldn't leave in the middle of the day I think it messes everything up Yeah bring it to tribal council
Starting point is 00:22:36 No but I like that we then Because that is This was perfect of like This past episode of like Okay we had the quit in the first 10 minutes and then we still had a normal episode. Like, don't build the episode around the quit. Yeah, I hear that.
Starting point is 00:22:51 You know, and I think that that is one of the advantages here in the open era where, like, that we kind of have like overstuffed the cast and so that somebody can just walk away and it's like no big thing. Yeah, it's like Australian Survivor where they can just, you know, it's episode eight, and you're like, who's that? And you just hear from a new guy. I think that's interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:10 How about our friend, your very good friend, Kathy Slackman from... Kathy Schleckman. Indonesia. Yeah. So I think that there was some issues with, like, her, she was, like, she was taking some kind of medication. And then, like, went off at Cold Turkey. That was bad, they say. And then she, I think she said she, the story she tells us that she told production she was going to cut her finger off.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Yes. To get her out of there. So nothing was wrong with her per se. So it seemed like that she made a bad decision coming in to not wean off of the medication, but I'm not a doctor. I don't need, you know. Yeah. But maybe she should.
Starting point is 00:24:02 I think the thing that we can be, you know, totally keep it 100 is, she should have told the survivor production about her medical situation. Yeah. The quit tier to me seems like this is something you, you, it's on you a little bit, as opposed to the legit things happen to you. You know what I mean? So she feels quit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:31 So, yeah, so it feels quit. I think Austin, he actually had staff infections. then Melissa McNagnes. So I'd say that she's between Austin and Melissa McNulty. That feels safe to me. We have our double header from Survivor Nicaragua. Nicaragua. Nicaragua, I have erodicism.
Starting point is 00:24:54 We've got our ninth and eighth place. Is that right? It's Kelly Shin and Neonka. Yeah. As much as I would love to, you know, Neonka, She could have been an all-timer from a TV category, but this is pretty hard BS, right?
Starting point is 00:25:13 Well, I think Nianca, perhaps, Kelly does have no clothes. And that is, I think, the same Austin Taylor issue is that they did not give Kelly any clothes to wear for the television show. And that is, that feels like, I mean, with the rubric I just said is like, it's not anything that she chose.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Like, it feels legit. Or is it? I think that, I don't think it's great to say that Niyanka's quit was BS and Purple Kelly's quit was I don't want to say that. God, God, I don't remember, I don't remember why Nianca quit. And I was hoping that you could, I didn't move the board. She wasn't feeling it. it had been raining and you know people want to quit when it rains the same thing with rob
Starting point is 00:26:11 so i'm gonna say they're both it's both BS um yeah neck had an idol me too me too and i you know what i'm gonna put the Anka first in this galley's last was it more BS than genu um couldn't they uncle have one i don't know like i think this is possible uh she was right there at the end she had a lot of friends on the jury What did, why did Nyanca, what is the reason? What was the reason that she said? I don't remember. I, I'd have to go look it up.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I think that she just, um, it was, like, it had been, like, really lousy weather. But, but is Kelly Shin not having clothes? Is that canon in the show? Again, it's been so long since I've seen Nicaragua. You've watched it more recently than I have. I want to say, I can, in my mind, I could see her with a jacket, but I'm not sure she had somebody else's jacket at some point. I think you're picturing Fabio's yellow, like, cool guy jacket.
Starting point is 00:27:12 What's that called? I don't remember what that's called. French coat? No, definitely not that. What's the name of the cool guy jacket that guys wear? It's the members-only jacket. Members-only jacket? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I'm going back to my evolution of strategy notes to see if I have the reason why Niyanka quit. But I don't know if that I had. I don't remember. Yes. Naanka wants to say something. She gave 110%. This will be Naianca's, I guess, last tribal council.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Anybody else here want to quit? Kelly is quitting, too. Jeff tells Naanka that she doesn't seem like a quitter. Yeah. Purple Kelly's who are, you're going to walk away? And she said, I can't believe I lasted this long. Yeah, that sounds like bullshit to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Jeff said, I'm not good. Jeff gives them the afternoon to think about it. And then fine. And then she went to go to the movies. She went to Gulliver's Travels. And then after Gulliver's Travels, then she, Niyanka is going to quit and Purple Kelly is going to quit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And I get that. If I saw Gulliver's Trivals, I think I'd be done also. They should have showed them like a more, a movie that's like, you, you know, you pump yourself up. Like, remember the Titans. Like, I can do anything after this. You know, I said there's a lot of people who are worse off who aren't playing Survivor, and we are. Yeah, I guess that's true, right?
Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah. That's interesting. She just didn't want to do it anymore. I thought the Purple Kelly not having clothes was part of the show, which I think that that would make me feel different. I don't think that it was talked about in the show. I mean, there might be one of these things like the Austin staff infection after the fact. Yeah, well, I'm glad to. know that now, and
Starting point is 00:29:04 Nianca, I am sorry. Yeah. How about this is, look who's in her suspenders. It's Dana Lamber, who quits after having a stomach thing in the Philippines. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Hmm. Purple Kelly, she did win the award for hottest female in the reality awards category in August of 2014, according to 2014? Yes. Four years after the television?
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yes. I don't know. The reality awards is an annual award ceremony held on reality dash shows. Dot EU. So they did not penalize her. The most coveted award in Hollywood, that sounds like. I wish I could see who else was nominated.
Starting point is 00:29:49 I said, probably probably is also 21, you know. Yeah, don't put 21-year-olds in Survivor. That's what I always said. Yes. All right. Do you want to know, no. Is that, you want to know the other nominees?
Starting point is 00:30:02 I did find it. The other nominees, no, let's leave it to history. Who, who do you think won hottest male in 2014? Hottest male of 2014? Let's see. So, but here's the thing. Survivor Nicaragua took place in 2010.
Starting point is 00:30:25 So I'm trying to figure out, how she won the 2014 Right. I'm just as shocked as you are. Did you need to appear on a show? Was it some other... No, no, this is... I mean, this person, the hottest male of 2014,
Starting point is 00:30:44 according to the reality awards of reality dash EU, whatever, this is the person who was on Survivor between 2010 and 2014. Yeah, then I'm going to say, Matt Elrod. It's a phenomenal guess. It's Malcolm. Malcolm, okay.
Starting point is 00:31:06 But also, this is 2014. Burton Roberts nominated for this award. Okay, so this is an all-timer. It's all-time. All-timer. Yeah. Get back to the subject matter here. All right.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Dana Lambert? Yeah, to me, this is like when we start talking about, like, the non-quit quits that, like, are they actual, like, this is legit to me? It's legit. Is this more, is stomach thing more legit or less than fire ants? It's more legit. I mean, she looked like she could not continue in the game. I think I'm not going to put anybody here ahead of Jenna Marasco or Sue Hawke, okay? I'm not going to do that.
Starting point is 00:31:44 But put her ahead of Papa Smurf. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And that makes sense. That makes sense. Get Dana some medical attention. And they got her some. I wonder, again, they left that up for ambiguity also, where they didn't make Dana say, like, I'd like to leave, which I guess is, that was just the era of the show back
Starting point is 00:32:04 that. Yeah, they were like, we don't really see anything wrong with you. So you have to say that you're, that you want to go. How about, and that was really a part of Denise's story of like, Denise got swapped to the tribe that was like fully constituted calable. And, yeah, Dana wouldn't have gone home. Like, Denise would have gone home instead of Dana. Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's Survivor is, uh, it's a lot about luck and it's a lot about what you do with the luck. But that is, uh, that's one of those things you can control. It just happens to you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Um, this person, however, um, they, they just wanted to leave. They just wanted to get out of there. It's a Colton of blood versus water fit. Which time? The set. So it's interesting. Number one, not on anybody's lists. But really number one, to me is an, like, I think Jeff said that in what, a fit of rage at that. at the Redemption Island Arena. That wasn't acquit. Right? Well, I think that they could not verify
Starting point is 00:33:09 what was going on. And so I think it was technically acquit them. But nobody at that point in time, I don't think anybody was saying like, oh, like, what a baby, Colton, like is quitting the game. But the second time was just a straight-up, just, like, walked off.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Yeah. The second time to me is obviously behind Purple Kelly, but what I do believe to be the worst quit in the history of the television show. Yeah, it's definitely BS. I think it's the question of where do we put it on BS? But I think that there's no, you can, like, Naanka and Purple Kelly make it two thirds of the way in. Like, Colton's, he's day five. You think it's less BS? it's more BS. This is the worst of them all of the quits.
Starting point is 00:34:06 It's day five and he's just not having fun. So he left. Well, yeah, he's sort of like, things are going against him. He's being, like, called out for his BS. Yeah. Tyson has a really good confessional. Yeah. This episode where he says about Rachel.
Starting point is 00:34:25 I guess Survivor's supposed to be fun. So I hope she had fun. And a good person, a good example of somebody who's not having fun. It's cool. Yeah. I'm trying to find the back and forth. Colton doesn't want to be here anymore. He's quitting again.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Jeff calls out Colton. Admittedly, a selfish move. Maybe it's the best one for me, said Colton. And then Jeff says, the first time you feigned an appendicitis. When his back is against the wall, this is who he turned into. Colton knows he can't win.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Is that how it goes if things don't go away? What does he say to that? Yes? You know, sometimes my short hand is not like, you know, I, like, you know, when I am doing a podcast about it, like a day after I watch it,
Starting point is 00:35:11 I know what they actually said. And I'm just jogging my memory. You don't remember an episode from this week of 2013? Yeah. And so, yeah, the Colton one is BS. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:35:25 It's also like with Neonka and Purple Kelly, there was like, The weather was bad. I think the weather was lovely, if I can recall this. He looked like a vacation. He was at sandals in Jamaica. Look nice.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Yeah, this is a tough one. It's hard to picture any defense for this, for this quick. This might be the worst one in Survivor history. I believe it is. I believe it is. Okay. I mean, there's debate whether, again, our friend, a different rod that we know is maybe worse than us.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Well, we'll see. We'll get there. Stay tuned. How about, well, you know what? this one is interesting. Lindsay Ogle of Survivor Cagayan leaves in the middle of the night as she fears she's going to hit Trish. Hmm. That's the story, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:12 She did not like Trish and called her names. She loved Cliff Robinson, the late great Cliff Robinson. Didn't we all? And then they blindside Cliff and Wu was really, his mouth was wide open. and then Tony gets like a two for one because then also Lindsay ends up leaving. She was so angry with Trish. So, I mean, I guess it's BS, but did we care?
Starting point is 00:36:44 Nobody care. I mean, I guess they cared the production of the show. But I don't, I think this is bullshit. And I, like, at this point, like, don't you just want to leave? Is I think I'm going to get violent an excuse for I'm just kind of done now? Yeah, I'm, I'm... So I feel like that at least Junu, there was like an ending to the story. This was just sort of like, we yada yotted it.
Starting point is 00:37:10 So I'll say it's BS, but not as bad as Nayaanka and Purple Kelly. Or is it worse? I was... I think it's worse. I think this is before Colton. I think this is just the I want to quit and I don't have a reason. I just have no feeling. about this. So it's hard for me to
Starting point is 00:37:27 feel like it's the second worst in the history of the show, but I'll, sure, let's go with it. Right, I mean, like they had reasons. Like, what's the reason? And does Lindsay quit if Cliff does not leave that night? Is Lindsay
Starting point is 00:37:43 there for a while longer? No, she was good, they loves Cliff. Yeah, and again, didn't we all. All right. Here's another one. Not great. Julie McGee quits Survivor Yeah, she didn't want John Rocker to go off on the pre-jury trip without her. So this really is some BS.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Yeah, I mean, is it a legit reason? Certainly. We've all been there. But I think that it's a, yeah, this is a pretty tough one. This might be worse than the Lindsay one. This is worse than the Lindsay. Yeah, I mean, it's a, is no reason worse than a bad reason? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Lindsay quits for no reason. This is a very sad reason. At least the reason I might physically hurt Trish. Okay, I'll give you that more than I need to be you with John Rocker. I don't want John Rocker to go on the pre-jury trip. I'm worried he's going to be hanging out with Nadia and... Val? Kelly Wentworth?
Starting point is 00:38:52 Kelly Wentworth. Dale? Dale? I don't trust him I need to keep an eye You need to keep an eye on him Listen When you got something that good
Starting point is 00:39:04 You don't want to like a player F around Yeah you gotta If you find your loved ones You gotta hold them tight I don't uh I think maybe it was Kelly Wentworth Who said this somewhere
Starting point is 00:39:15 That's like they just argued The whole time on the trip John and Julie And even if she didn't say that I think we could infer it Yeah they're not together anymore How long did they make it after this? I don't know
Starting point is 00:39:25 a couple of years, but, you know, they've gone their separate ways. But it's one of these instances of of Julie McGee,
Starting point is 00:39:31 if you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, it's meant to be forever. Yeah, that's true. If it's, if it's meant to be,
Starting point is 00:39:38 let it be. It's a song by BB Rexa and I think Florida Georgia line. Famously. Speaking of the Mason Dixon line, here's somebody
Starting point is 00:39:48 from Dave versus Goliath. It's B-W-W-W-W-W-W-W. So she had something, something in her knee, she was a MMA fighter. She's still an MMA fighter? That's really the test of where she goes in this, because if she is now the best in the world, it was worth quitting for. Yes. They call her the killer B.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Pretty good. That's what they call me. When I do News A.F. occasionally. Yeah. And she, I mean, she's killing it on Instagram. She's got over 200 followers. 200?000? Over 200,000. I was going to say. Then I'm killing him on Instagram. They refer to her as undefeated boxer.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Is what it says in her bio. Well, then I think this is legit. If she's undefeated, she could have lost if she stayed in a couple more rounds. Yes. One of her recent posts, though, on Instagram is daydreaming about rice while stranded on an island during a cyclone. That's only like, it's not that far back on her Instagram. So she doesn't use Instagram? I guess she doesn't post that much.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Yeah. How many weeks? That's three years-ish? 177 weeks? Three and a half years? I guess so. Post-COVID? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:08 That's interesting. Well, bring her back. All right. I think this is better than Dana's quip. I think this is right behind Sue. Right behind Sue? Oh, you think it's the top of, like, like, I think she could have,
Starting point is 00:41:24 she didn't want to worsen her you know she could have like sat out of challenges I don't know to me I don't think that this is like I wouldn't put this in legit I know she could kick my ass but to me I feel like she might
Starting point is 00:41:37 like between like Austin and Kathy Selectman oh that's it I'm thinking that she had a medical thing and then she didn't want to worsen her career and now she is excelling at the career so I feel like this is a medical thing where that like she's playing in this she wasn't on surveillance
Starting point is 00:41:54 She was on Survivor 37. Like, we have reached a point where, you know, she's in a, you know, 20-person season. I think if there was real damage there, like that was, like, noticeable. Medical would have pulled her. Yeah, I, listen, I concede. Above, above Austin?
Starting point is 00:42:17 I think she's below Austin. I think, I don't know. I'm stuck on that she has a career that she now, she preserved. Austin didn't have a, Austin didn't have to leave because he couldn't be a lawyer for the staff infection.
Starting point is 00:42:33 I guess so. I'm going, listen, I think about, I'm going to boss. So every athlete that goes on Survivor if they feel like the first, like, twinge of something should quit? I think, but they have to be a really good athlete
Starting point is 00:42:45 afterward. If you told me that B. Wynn was a defeated fighter, then I would say, put her under Colton. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go here. I concede. I concede.
Starting point is 00:42:56 B stated her injury may have been a factor in her loss in her first MMA match following her appearance on Survivor held July 21st, 2018,
Starting point is 00:43:04 only two months after filming. She said, it took three and a half months for her injury to heal. That's about what Rob said his is at right now. Yeah. All right,
Starting point is 00:43:16 we'll put her where you think that she belongs. But justice for B. Win. Let me, I'm, I'm going to be Win Train Yeah
Starting point is 00:43:26 Here's somebody who I didn't have a good transition He climbed up that rock And kind of did it to himself Yeah Matthew Brin said Maley Yeah Now I think his injury
Starting point is 00:43:39 Was super legit But the fact that he climbed the rock For no reason was BS Yeah Yeah I'm pretty low This one I think that sucks
Starting point is 00:43:51 I think that's such a You know I think I debated Steve Even like, I was like, why did they let him climb the rock? And he was like, what? You have to let people do things. So, I would say, get it down from there. Yeah, there's no reason to have climbed that.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Why do you doing that? You have one job to not to get hurt and be on this show. Yeah, and it was so, like, all of the, all of his confessionals were so good. Mm-hmm. He was very nice. I met him in person, but I do think that this is, this is bullshit. I think he, he, again, the quit tier. that I assess was like this is something that you did to you in a different way.
Starting point is 00:44:28 But you know what else is BS though? And about this is that I believe, so this happens in, I think it's episode five of Survivor 44 and that there is a point where, okay, Josh Wilder has been swapped to the tribe with Jam Jam and Carolyn. And then that Jam Jam, Jam and Carolyn have completely figured. figured out, okay, that Josh Wilder made up that he had an idol, and it's the beads from Tremel, and they're like laughing. And then we see Matthew after the challenge, and Jeff's like, hey, Matthew, stick around, medical's going to take a look at you. And then the next thing we see
Starting point is 00:45:09 is Jeff show up at the tribe with Carolyn and Jam Jam and Josh Wilder. He's like, hey, just so you know, Matthew, he quit. Medical didn't pull him. We don't even see when he walked away from the show. So, and it always had seemed like that there was, maybe he was not on the same page as production. Who wasn't? Matthew or Jeff?
Starting point is 00:45:37 Or at least in the vacuum of information, I think Matthew has sort of, I felt like has sort of implied, like I think this was worse than like, I don't know if Matthew, if Matthew, I don't remember if Matthew's take was like, no, they should have pulled me. Yeah, I mean, he was in a, what, a sling for like most of the game, no?
Starting point is 00:45:58 Like, I think that that concept was. I remember him talking about how painful it was, we needed to have surgery, but they did not, they did not pull. And again, this is the modern era of Survivor where they're ultra cautious. Yeah. Is this to you? Is this the end of quit or the beginning of the BS tier? The people that nobody in the BS tier should have an actual injury. I hear that
Starting point is 00:46:26 But it's an injury that he did himself He did do it himself But I think that like He gave himself the injury Right But if I accidentally like Drop an anvil on my head Like I still have to go to the hospital
Starting point is 00:46:41 Like Sure but why would you pick You wouldn't pick the handle Sure and I could be a dummy for picking up an anvil Or trying to You know move a couch down the stairs by myself but, which I did do the other day. But I think that he's, I think it was like a legit quit.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Like, let's see. In the actual quit tier, we have Austin B, Kathy Slackman, and Melissa McDonulty. I think this is, to me, I think he's even like, I might have him at the top of the quit. The top of quit? he had like an actual injuries in a lot of pain but the other two the other two had that I guess we don't see awesome
Starting point is 00:47:30 like B's injury B's injury was I think was like hey I think I feel something I don't want it to get worse Austin you know um had a sickness that was not really explored on the show sure yeah I feel like I'm getting mocked
Starting point is 00:47:51 Why? I see the By me? I'm out voting you? You're not out voting me, but I do I think I'm sticking up for B. I'm the biggest B-Win fan. I had no idea. But I see the- Why do you care so much about B-N-A-W-N-Win? What's good for you?
Starting point is 00:48:07 He's a world athlete. Are you afraid, blink, do you know her? Is she a friend in real life? Jimmy Kimmel's going to be so pissed at me if I disparage another friend of his. Touched Gabby and ask him. or if Bina Wynne? How serious was Bina Wins injury? All right. I will do that right now.
Starting point is 00:48:27 I can do it for my laptop. I have that. I have a laptop that can do that. How serious is bad podcasting was B. Nguyen injury. Is it a legit quit? I'm going to read this on the podcast. You got to, if you're going to check somebody. That's the podcast or code. Yeah, you got to tell them. All right. Yeah. So I'm just looking up Matthew.
Starting point is 00:48:56 So this is Matthew Greenstead male. He says he has no memory of his scary fall. And I'm looking at Dalton Ross's interview. Did the pain get progressively worse over the nine days? Or did you tweak it again at some point? He said after the initial fall on day two, the extent at that point was I had just dislocated in my shoulder. It was feeling a little loose,
Starting point is 00:49:17 but that's why you could see me in and out of the sling. and then they asked him in the third episode we're digging in the sand you hear me say ow guys my shoulder my shoulder had popped
Starting point is 00:49:32 out of the socket again during the challenge so I gripped my arm and put it back in the socket and the challenges climbed underneath the wooden log and then Kane helped me complete the challenge
Starting point is 00:49:42 yeah and that's why we love Kane but I again I think that's a It's so self-inflit. But I'm getting in the weeds and the self-infliction of it. But I do see the logic.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Yeah. Okay. If only we were going to talk to Josh Wilder at any point soon. We could ask him. About the foot injuries? We could do that too. That's a great idea.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Yeah. So I don't know. Where would you put Matthew? I don't... You have talked me into putting it on this tier, I think this is high. I think he's, I think he's here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:22 What do you think the comments are going to be like for this? I feel like we're getting roasted, but I'm not sure exactly for what yet. Yeah, I think people are, people stop watching after my Nianca thing. They're going to be so mad at me. I've lost all the goodwill that I've built since October 2020. Yeah. This is from Mike Bloom's interview with Matthew. And he asked him about, from your, Mike Bloom asked, from our perspective,
Starting point is 00:50:48 We saw you chat, you chat with Jeff and Dr. Will right after the challenge, and then we don't see you again after you left the game. Did you have to make a decision right there after the medical examination and whether or not yet to leave? And he said, I had to make a decision right then and there. And we went through a medical examination, which they didn't really, I don't know why he has to make a decision right there. He's like, if he quits tomorrow, like, what is it?
Starting point is 00:51:08 It's like, hey, you quit now or... You're staying. When we went through the medical examination, which they didn't really show, I could not raise my arm more than in my shoulder level. They were very generous in showing my journey, but they don't show the extensiveness of my injuries. Obviously, it dislocated my shoulder on day two, and I was getting better, but I wasn't listening to the doctor's orders.
Starting point is 00:51:29 So you saw me in the third episode in the challenge, crying about my shoulder. It dislocated during the challenge. And then I put it back in the socket, and then helped Kane finish the challenge, not knowing I had severely damaged my shoulder. In that time frame, that last injury, I fractured my humorous.
Starting point is 00:51:43 A piece of that broke off and had to be removed. I fractured my scalpela, which had to be reattached. I tore my rotator cuff. I tore my labrum, which is the lining of your shoulder. I shifted the cartilage within the joint. And my sub-sus muscle had to be reattached. So the amount of pain that I was in. So I wonder if there's like a reading between the lines of like, you know, you had like Jam, Jam and Carolyn, and this is like a good story. I don't think they know necessarily what's going to happen with Josh Wilder. Like, they don't know necessarily that
Starting point is 00:52:17 Jam Jam and Carolyn are going to figure out that he has, he made a fake idol. And then they're like, look, look, this guy's not going to make it 26 days. It's like, just like, let's, let's, come on. Yeah. You're not going to, let's be honest here.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Well, what people said in exit press during season 50 also is that Colby's injury on his, what, toe was bad enough to where there was suspect that they were going to pull him if they didn't vote him out. So maybe it's the same kind of thing. Yeah, and it sounds like he didn't. listen to the doctor's advice
Starting point is 00:52:47 that they gave him early on. So I think he did have I think he did have like legit injuries here. And maybe he could have made it a little bit further, but I don't think he was making it to date 26. No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:53:03 I think we have him in the perfect spot. Okay. I can't believe he's behind Bina Wynn. Leave it. Leave it. Leave it. Leave it. I'm going to buy a Binaw in Jersey. Leave it. Okay. How about here's somebody that I also ride for.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Maybe not as hard as Bean. It's Hannah Rose, my dear friend. Okay. This is bullshit. But, I mean, you were there. You tell me. I understand why it would be put on that tier, certainly. But I do think it is, how is it in any way?
Starting point is 00:53:37 I guess it's different because it happened three days in as opposed to, like, to lose, what, 21 or 24? is at the top of BS. I think it's perfect, like, the bookends for her and Melissa McNulty. Of, like, one decided to quit before the game started, the other decided to quit right when the bell started. But I have always said about the Hannah-Rove's quit, that I think it was like the quit. I did not mind.
Starting point is 00:54:02 I thought it was perfect. I thought it was such a great illustration to the people at home that she came into the show and she was like, oh, I did not know it was this. hard. I did not know it was like this. Okay. I'm actually going to leave. I did. This was not what I thought it was. I have to be. I have to be honest. Well, and people get so like you, you know, it is hard. It's a hard. She said famously we can do hard thing. She's the episode title. But like it's better for the show. Yeah. Advertise that it is hard. Survivor's real. It's happening. And I am leaving. This is not what I want.
Starting point is 00:54:41 And so I'm good. Yeah. I came, I checked it out. I saw it's not for me. God bless. Good night. And I love that. And I feel like that she didn't get, like the thing about a quit that is frustrating,
Starting point is 00:54:57 it's like when we have gotten very far into the game and then you quit. It's like, what the why? You ruined the game for everybody. She didn't ruin anything. If anything, she gave Emily Flippin a second life. She gave Emily Flippen doesn't make it. to survive for 50 if it's not for Hannah Rose. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:15 And nobody wants to hear me say it, but I did lose a number one ally in Hannah Rose. And I think the only person that really hurt was your boy. But I'm here now. And I'm doing everything worked out so great for me. Right. If I'm not upset about it, you shouldn't be either. And that's why Hannah Rose, I think, is in the perfect spot. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Sean Edwards. Yeah, okay. It's going to be a little bit less. But I don't think, I don't think much less. Now, right? Okay, so this is interesting because that, I feel like that canonically, this is not a quit. It's, so, it's great. I'm thrilled the U.S.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Yes. Is that it's not in the 60? You also, you do not have Johnny Fairplay from Survivor Micronesia here, which Jeff would call a quit, but canonically was a person voted out. Where did you put Johnny Fairplay on this list? I think he's... Because Johnny Piffway has an injury. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:14 He goes out first, so I feel like that he's sort of like in the like Hannah Rose, Melissa McNulty category. The guy was waited for years to come back. He has his opportunity and only but like two weeks beforehand gets back body dropped by Danny Bonaducci. And it's like, well, I can't not go. I have to go give this the time. You're doing the thing.
Starting point is 00:56:39 And so, I feel like maybe it's, I put him like at the end of quit. Yeah, I think he takes the, I think he's behind Melissa McNulty. And I don't know, like, in the articles about the quits, Johnny Fairplay is not in any of them. But Sean is. Sean is not an official survivor quitter, but Sean is in the article. Why do you think that is? Why has Sean been retcon, the official. quit, but Johnny Fairplay is not.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Well, I think, I do have a legitimate answer for this. I think that Hannah and Sean both quitting twice in the four weeks of the survivor. I think that hurts both of them reputational. I think that they are grouped together much like Purple Kelly and Aonka. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Are grouped together. I think that would be my only reason. Do you have a better reason? No. I think that... Jeff made a real point about this when it happened also. Yes. Yes. That also. Okay. And this move, I think, is, is it a better reason than Lindsay? I think so.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Lindsey Ogle? What is his reasoning, Ann? His reason seems to be the same as Janu. It's the same as Janu, but he's not really giving up his spot for somebody, which I like canonically for the TV show. In a way, he's giving a spot up for Sefu, because Sefu is going to be the person voted out that night. But it's not for that.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Whereas Hannah's and Janu's was for that. I feel like it's less of a tangible reason that I like. But I think before, I think like the Lindsay, Julie Colton, Holy Trinity of like, what are we doing here? I don't think that Sean's in that. I think Sean's right before that. Yeah, to me, I feel like that maybe is he in between Junu and Purple Kelly? I said, Junu and Nayaka.
Starting point is 00:58:35 I like that better. I was selling low, but I think that's something. Why before Genu? Or not before Genu. You're putting him right after Genu. Right behind Genu. Right before, yes, right behind Janu. Yeah, I like that.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Mm-hmm. I think just bottom three are pre-locked. I think that Genu could kind of see. Like, Junu was like, I hate these people. I don't like them. I'm not going to win. What does it matter? I'm getting, if I'm not getting voted out tonight,
Starting point is 00:59:01 I'm getting voted out in three days. Like, I'm coming. I'm feeling good. I went to Exile Island. I feel good at the end of my story. Just like, like, I don't care. I'm leaving. Let me out.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Yeah, I agree. Did Sean feel like, hey, you know, I lost my allies from Lulu, and so, like, I don't have a shot here. I think also, and people don't, like, quantify this, talking about how hard survivor is. I think Sean won one reward challenge, which is the day after I leave. But he's there for 12 days, just loss after loss after blindside, after Hannah leaves, and Sean did won Hannah to leave.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Like, I think that... He didn't feel like a Sabaya went home, so what chance do I have? No, but I think that the Sabaya, like, being blindsided, I think added, like, a little bit of, like, insult to injury. I think people underestimate. Seldom have there been people in Survivor history who go that long without any... I mean, Stephanie LaGrosa, right? And Bobby John go that long without a win. Not a B-win.
Starting point is 01:00:02 But I think Sean just didn't... He was just uninterested. But that is, like, the ethos of... Stephanie of like the thing behind her popularity was like, I will never quit, I will never say die. And that was like, Genu served as a way to prop up, Stephanie. I don't feel like, I mean, I guess a little bit from the edit of the show of like, look at this person who's quitting, who's walking away. Stephanie would never quit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:31 And I remember, I can't remember if it's the Sean episode of right after. I know like Jake and Dee both get backstories about why they're there, which I think. think it was like contrasted with somebody who wanted to leave or I guess multiple people that wanted to leave that I felt like was done with intention. So I think it served a story purpose element, but I think that I think this is in a great in a great spot. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:00:53 We've got one more. We got one more. Here he is the man of the hour. Yeah. All right. Where is this on the scale of survivor quits? Well, and I'm so glad we're ending with him. Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Because, and I want you to tell me, is it worse than Colton or better than, I think it's bottom two, if not bottom one? Is this the worse than Colton? I would say, to me, the thing is that Colton came in already. They already hated him. And, hmm. What I will say on the pro-rob front is, well, I guess I can't even say that. I was going to say he does he? I don't know that he does.
Starting point is 01:01:46 You know what? Yeah. So I would say, you know what, if this was Colton 1.0, I'd say that Rob is worse. But Colton, of course. Colton 2.0 to me was like at least a doctor looked
Starting point is 01:02:13 at Rob. Like at least Rob has the decency to say like I would never quit. I would never quit and I have an injury and he should say I have an MMA fight coming up and I really I can't risk making this any worse and Brandon Donlin would say
Starting point is 01:02:32 like, oh, this is legit. Legit. Legit. And he doesn't have to be, I have to, like, hey, I have a family. I have to think about my health. And so. Is it worse to say that and lie? Or, like, Colton is true.
Starting point is 01:02:47 He just doesn't like it. Is it a lie if you believe it? That's my favorite sign fuck quote. Is it a lie if you believe it? Does Rob believe? I don't think Rob believes it. I think Rob knows he lie. Things would make a lot more sense if he believed a lie.
Starting point is 01:03:02 I think, and this is the right, I voice messages to you the other day, but there was a guy on the eighth season of Hell's Kitchen named Raj, R-A-J, and everybody on in the real time and on the message boards, I was very into Hell's Kitchen for a minute. Everybody thought he was a production plant because he was so, like, so horrible at every day. He was like rage-baiting everybody before rage-baiting was cool. He was, he was so bad at every conceivable task and so hard to be around that everybody thought, surely this is not a real guy. It's a production hack. And I think Rob is the first person on Survivor who's ever felt like that. Like even Rome had like, there are things about him that I can point to. Like, okay.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Interesting. But like there's nothing good here. But he was, I will say he was cooking for an episode. You know, that he, in that premiere episode, you know, Puyah got him last in the draft.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Like, oh, maybe this was, Puyah got a steal, I think, with the 18th pick in the draft before it all, the wheels fell off. So, I would say that I think that this is
Starting point is 01:04:05 not as bad as Colton just quitting and Colton's loved one was in the game still like you would think hey I'll stick it out like this is blood versus water I could be a number for my loved one yeah I agree
Starting point is 01:04:22 I really I think it's an interesting interesting debate whether it's do we like Rob's lie or Colton's weaponized honesty more in this situation. He had... Colton had radical honesty. He did. He did.
Starting point is 01:04:39 He invented that. And so I will say that for this reason, I think that, like, hmm. Like, Colton knew he was going to get voted out next. He did not want to give the satisfaction to the people who wanted to vote him out. Instead, he said, you know what? I just don't want to be here. here anymore. Rob was not going to get voted out.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Try to vote himself. He went out of his way to try to vote himself out. And then, again, he would, he had an idol. He would not have been voted out on the next, the next tribal council. So, I think you're talking me into that this is, that's worse. Worse. I think that's a worse squid. Because he had, he had, he had headway. Colton was going to leave. Like Rob was. But Colton said, I'm going to just take my ball and go home. Rob to me was like one step towards Hannah Rose of like, I can't do this. This is not what I signed up for.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Whereas Colton could do it. He's there for a second time. And he's like, yeah, he's like, hey, things are not going my way. I'm taking, I'm just leaving because I don't want you to have the satisfaction of voting me out. Yeah, I see it. I like it. So from a sportsmanship, I feel like that Colton is worse.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And Rob, I think, I'll say I think it's the second worst. Yeah. I went into this thinking that Colton was the worst. And then I almost talked myself out of it, but I agree. Yeah. I mean, we're not, look, RHAP is not a monolith, okay? Right? That we don't have to agree on everything.
Starting point is 01:06:25 But we don't. Yeah. and we don't, but I think this is a phenomenal ear list to yourself TVA. But at the end of the day, yeah, I did throw my weight around here. But look, when people screenshot this, like the R is going to say, they're going to say R-H-A-P says, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Yeah. Nothing we're saying is anything. That was a Hannah Rose quote. It doesn't matter who it was said about. Nothing we're saying is anything. Oh, somebody was talking an awful lot. And then she whispered to me, nothing they're saying is anything.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Meaning it's all, it's just noise. This food for thought. If you have your own tier list, we'd love to read it in the comments. Yeah, we're not, don't take our word. We don't know anything about this show. We're just a couple guys who've seen it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:13 But I think we did a great job. And I endorse none of it. Good job by us. Okay. All right. Here, let's put up the full list here. Just one more time to reset. The legit, okay?
Starting point is 01:07:28 The legit quits were Jenna Maraska, Sue Hawke, Dana Lambert, and Papa Smurf. That was legit, okay? Then we have the quit tier. And I like the pyramid structure here, okay? The quit tier is Austin, Brandon's beloved B-Nuin, Matthew from Survivor 44,
Starting point is 01:07:53 Kathy Slackman and Melissa McNulty. And then the BS tier is in, from left to right, Hannah Rose, Janu, Sean Edwards, Nianca, then Purple Kelly, Lindsay Ogle, Julie McGee, Julie McGee, Rhode Island Rob and Colton. The most BS of all the quitters. Yeah. And hard, if it was ever going to be topped, it would have been last week and it's not topped.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Yeah. Colton probably has that spot. Your mileage may vary. We'd love to know what you have to say about this. Of course. Yeah, please. You all. Unless it's not kind, in which case, don't, I don't want to hear it. I mean, I guess I do. I want feedback. I can handle the constructive argument. Of course. No, I want that. I think if it's like, hey, you suck. Jimmy Kimmel was right. Jimmy Kimmel was right. You're a Timu, this person. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Kevin Smith? Who knows who that is? I do, but I don't think a lot of people do. A lot of people text me and said, who is that? I said, you have to Google him. It's too long for me to explain. But I think this list is great. I think we cooked.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Yeah. Did you all like this? Should we do more stuff like this? We're always looking forward in the back half of the Survivor Week, fun stuff to do. And so if you like these types of antics, let us know. And tell us, what else can we be doing in this type of space at the back half of the Survivor Week? Brandon, what else is going on for you? Not a ton. I recently passed the milestone of 10,000 Instagram followers. Or normally I would promote my own Instagram. Congratulations. If you want to follow
Starting point is 01:09:46 a friend of mine, her Instagram is, I'll spell it. It's K-I-L-L-E-R. B-E-E-M-A. You can go ahead and follow my friend. Yeah. But I have nothing to promote. Did Gabby ever respond to you? She did not. Gabby noted.
Starting point is 01:10:02 It blocked you. Oh, she did. She did. I wish I could screenshot. I screenshot it. She said, meh. M-E-H.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Fuck. We got to record this again. We can't do this again. Let's check the record on this. Check the record. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us.
Starting point is 01:10:27 We'll be in D.C. this week, but I will have a special know-it-alls for you with Omer's here. And we're going to do that one in person. So look, I got the bug of doing these podcasts in person when I was in L.A. a couple of weeks ago. And so Omer and I are going to record a Survivor No-It-alls for you. And then we'll have a live show for you of our big event coming up in D.C. And then also we will have the full-on Ramble Battle Royale where we will have a plethora of reality stars competing in a Survivor-style game.
Starting point is 01:11:04 You'll want to check that out on the Ramble app. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.

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