RHAP: We Know Survivor - Mari Forth on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 12

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Mari Forth for Episode 12.

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It's the R-H-A-P-B-M-E Mike and Liana gather playing some games You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame And if that all sounds cool I can tell you the name It's the R-H-A-M-A You can stay for free Hi everybody and welcome back to the RHAP B&B for week 12 of Survivor 47

and mamma mia, that's a spicy blindside as we talk about Operation Italy. A really huge monumental shift for the season. A top tier episode of the new era, some are calling the best. I'm sure we'll have that discussion today. But regardless, we've got a whole ass meal of 90 minutes to dig into. As I am joined by the neapolitan i suppose of ice cream flavors of panelists here joined by leona boris leona how are you

so am i i'm the white one you're a strawberry okay that's a muds a bold claim leona i just call it like i see it all right i don't don't know. I think you and I might have to, it's going to be a race either the bottom or the top, depending on how you feel about it. About, I don't think you and I've had this conversation in seven years of podcasting. Which was the wider between us.

I think it just depends who's more embarrassed in the moment. Right? Like, well, that's always going to be you. Let's be clear here. Yeah. I mean,

we started strong with a mama mia. That's a spicy meatball or whatever you did so yeah maybe i okay i'll take strawberry that's fine all right well of course we are bringing it uh a tried and true podcaster here on rjp someone who knows her way around true crime and we are here to talk about a hit laid out on one caroline vidmar it is mari fourth yeah uh hitman wanted uh name is andy uh if you've seen this man he has long hair uh sparse facial hair he's a rhap patron um you know tips uh you can send tips to the rhap bnb yeah if you find them yeah if you see andy particularly on wednesdays at 8 p.m.

on national television, please send us any tips. Where could he be? It was filmed months ago. We'll never find him now. Exactly. He may have disappeared into the industry. I mean, he is not really on social media, so maybe he picked the right thing.

But what a time to maybe poke his head back in, because this was so much fun you know we'll certainly get into i think our respective thoughts about the move about the episode especially how it compares but god this is such a unique episode of survivor so much so that it kind of felt scripted in a way that it was this idea of, they talked about it multiple times, of course, on the On Fire podcast and off, like a heist episode of like, here's the plan. Oh no, there's a wrinkle in it, a last minute curve ball, but we're going to work our way through it.

We're going to, you know, secure the loot in the form of Andy being able to split the underdogs and split them up as well in getting rid of Caroline here. Mari, listen, I imagine that post-episode three, you're feeling a certain way about Survivor 47, but at least from the RJP perspective. Are you all back in after this most recent episode? You know, I stay watching Survivor

mostly because of this community. Like, honestly. The community, Jeff. It is the community, honestly. community like honestly the community Jeff it is the community honestly um yeah like I love being able to watch a show and talk about it with the likes of you two and all of our patrons and everybody like honestly um we all know I like Survivor I might not like it and or know it as deeply as a lot of the people in the community but I just love that we all get to sit here and break down these strategic moves. And and I stayed away from all the podcast this week, so I wouldn't get any influence about my thoughts on this episode knowing I was coming on here.

But, you know, after after our girl left it it was hard for me i was it was rough but i i gotta say this community is is is what props me props me into this this show what gets me going because if i don't watch the show i don't know i can't talk to none of my friends so yeah i'm back in it i'm we're back in it i'm excited for the the end game. I think, I definitely think this episode has a massive repercussion for the end game. Now, again, I don't know. I didn't listen to everybody else's thoughts, but I think it has repercussions,

but I don't think it shifted a lot to me. So I can't wait to talk about that. Right, like maybe shifted in the micro, but not the macro, right? So like maybe the next couple of votes, but not shifted in the micro, but not the macro. Right. So like maybe the next couple of votes, but not ultimately in the long game. I think I have that similar sense. I think for me, the biggest thing about this episode is obviously the reception and why is it successful? Like that was the first thing that I started digging into. And I was thinking about

analyzing it was okay. Why was it so successful? Cause I think i saw it's the highest rated episode on imdb or something like that at least definitely for the season and i think it comes down to a few different factors the first being it's a fun strategic move just like in and of itself right getting a majority to do a vote split then a flip to send someone else home so fun fun. You have that. You have the fake idol. You have the narrative that surrounds the way it was told as this heist. And you have the sort of underdog story. So I just think that there's like reason upon reason upon reason why this was such a fun and successful episode.

Yeah, I completely agree in that. Listen, I will say it was a very good move uh is it like one of the best moves in survivor history i mean andy is basically doing what jt did during the sere vote in heroes versus villains which is like oh the majority splitting the vote let me hop on that plurality and force somebody out that i want to get out so like i don't say it's exactly next level but it is maybe one of the most exciting moves of the new era, especially in that. To your point, Mari, I mean, I think maybe, I don't know if this is a hot take,

but I think for me, one of the reasons why I like the move from Andy's perspective is like, I still don't know if this is something that can win him the game, but it gave him a much better shot of doing so. I think if the perception coming in was that, as was talked about last week oh him and sue were the big goats i think he bumped it up from zero percent to like

25 maybe at least he now has something that he can like truly call us as oh now we'll talk about whether that would reverb you know positively or negatively towards him in the end but i think that's where it's really interesting as well is that it does feel like of them three to do this obviously jen have even say i'm acting they're both their best interests uh protecting themselves and being like i want to make sure that i could also have another threat besides me but it's also really interesting to have andy be in this position that we've seen a couple times in the new era with people like marianne with people like jesse to be like i'm going to single-handedly take control of my fate in this moment and who knows it might still be a gamble down the line but i'm gonna try something here and i will also say i don't know well we could we could discuss

this as to like whether or not you thought it would be successful i i know that some perhaps detractors of the episode did say that it felt like you know there wasn't really going to be any other option i would agree i mean look the caroline edit was certainly a bit on the nose uh with her talking about like i see the final tribal council this is exactly how all the votes are gonna go you're like the show's not gonna actively spoil the last two weeks of the game by laying out the plan right there. But regardless, Mari, it was still a really fun sight to behold. And especially even through like, you know, Genevieve and Sam doing the entire theater of Tribal Council of like,

no, I won't play my idol. Whatever happens, happens, Sam. We'll always have our time at the italian reward yeah it's it's a lot going on right so first off let me start with the perception in the edit like the edit itself was very very interesting i went back i rewatched it of course and it it's like it edits as a normal survivor episode in a sense of like they come up with this opera like the operation italy they come up with this like the Operation Italy. They come up with this big plan.

They talk about it before immunity. And then at immunity, their target gets immunity. And it's like, oh, another. This happens all the time. But then, you know, they're able to pivot and they choose a different target. And then once they choose a different target in caroline that's when we start getting kind of like the heavy-handedness of like genevieve telling us all the ways it could go wrong and stuff like that and it's like i think once you go back and you know the outcome that's when the edit kind

of is like oh yeah like this is gonna happen but in the first re, we're all sitting here like, I know I was like, oh, okay, this is not going to happen. You know, it never goes to plan. So I think if you go into it not knowing, they did a good job, you know, they did a good job of the edit. And it's just going to be one of those episodes. It's just going to be one of those episodes. I'm not surprised that it's actually the highest rated because they did a phenomenal job on editing the spy music, the dodo music with Teenie, the dodo music in some of the spots

where you think it might not happen. And I think this will be one of those things that is referenced in the long run. Congrats to Andy, Genevieve, and Sam. I think Operation Italy will be in the zeitgeist of survivor going on now back to the original thing does this help andy um you know i think it's about your perception because he said his perception was a goad it says his perception was all of this i'm wondering we got at the end after after caroline's

voted out we got saw saying andy flipped again and it was not uh andy flipped again is it like andy flipped again wow look at how yeah like is it like andy flipped again again exactly and that and maybe i'm reading too much into it but it feels like you're that that animosity like that cochran animosity you know i'm saying like um so does it help any in the long run my thought process is yes if he gets to the finals with maybe a teeny and a sue but your problem is rachel is still there and rachel i love her like i i'm like i love rachel and the fact that she was the original target and she had the immunity and they still went through it i think this will actually it'll operationally will actually backfire because um not getting out her

her stealer vote her block of vote or whatever that was the main tragedy of operationally failing when it comes to rachel because to me for where i'm sitting there's no way rachel doesn't make it to four and so and then at four she either needs to win immunity or win fire and if Rachel is sitting in that final three I don't under I don't know how anybody else wins the game because she managed to have a hidden immunity idol and like we saw how important a hidden immunity idol can be when it's not played with Marianne but Rachel now has all of the information to play that thing correctly to get her to the end with the people she wants to get to the end with and I think it's going to be very hard to get around everything that she has like I don't see how next week either a Sam

or Genevieve don't go home yeah if I'm them I'm still not I'm still not going to target Andy because I still think I would still think Andy has more heat on them on him than a Sam or Genevieve don't go home yeah if I'm them I'm still not I'm still not going to target Andy because I still think I would still think Andy has more heat on them on him than a Sam or Genevieve and plus everybody doesn't know the inner workings of Operation Italy so to me as I re-watched it I was like these people can think that this is Sam and Genevieve's plan and that Andy just flipped to it we know that it was Andy's plan but more than likely they just think that he just flipped over Danny was not joining in on that was a two-person scene at that tribal council with like play your idol don't play your idol Andy was the one that was also acting like flabbergasted of oh my god I can't believe that you said there were things

going on at camp while we were away exactly so I so I'm still good i'm still trying to get sam out i'm still trying to get genevieve out at six and you can do that with the block of vote i there's there's no to me there's no way that not either one of them doesn't go home there we know they don't have idols we know where the two idols are we know that rachel has the black vote rachel knows that people are coming after her you know what i'm saying so um and I don't see and I don't see teeny like the the edit the edit of the next time on kind of made it seem like oh teeny could kind of flip over there but she absolutely despises Sam we saw that and then Sue just got her best friend sniped from her why would she go go over there? Yeah, they're locked in three in my opinion.

They're locked in three. So to me, Operation Italy kind of backfires when you don't get rid of the main part. You didn't get rid of the mafia boss. You got rid of the enforcer. So now you just have a, you have two more, even more staunch bodyguards protecting that mafia boss.

So I loved it i love the episode i love the outcome i feel bad for caroline to be kind of like uh you know a casualty of all of this but i feel like it it is going to be what it's going to be so fun going going forward and now that all the information is out there and somebody has a a a blind idol the idols can be used at five right they can yeah oh come on like yeah how does she not get to four yep yeah exactly i mean i assume use the block of vote next week one you you have to because that's the last time you can use it right so one of sam genevieve or andy even if they're still concerned about the idol which that's the other thing that I really picked up on at the very end when we go back to the or the conversation about oh am I going to play the idol they really leaned into that to give themselves potentially protection

for next week and also I think uh make sure like because if I think if Genevieve plays something even if it's regard I mean I guess it would be sort of blown up at the moment as fake but like that could also push someone like sue and i don't know if they know who has an idol but like it could push her to be like oh i'm gonna play this on caroline if something's going down and genevieve has something yeah yeah exactly so i think yeah so that works from multiple perspectives and it sets them up also for next week where okay now they have to use the block of vote but maybe they end up targeting andy because even though i understand like andy didn't get credit it's a way to protect against you don't know who the idol is going to be played for um uh and i mean i guess

though it's just block a vote it's not steal a vote right so they still only have three votes so they can't split two two right they could split like two one and then in a re-vote if no idol is played then just vote out that person after that i'm not splitting nothing like i know especially that's the other thing that andy like much like getting rid of the shot in the dark changed the game maybe like andy put the fear of god in people that want to split the vote moving forward. And on the next time on, somebody is telling Sue that Genevieve's idol is fake. I can't remember who. So,

so the, the, the thought of it being a fake idol is out there. And that's the other thing as well, is that there's also a sizable chance that like, it's not say Andy flips back, but I think he could very easily be like yeah i want to work with them for this one vote because and that's the other thing as well

for me that i guess for me the the sort of big uh ace up the sleeve as to why andy should have made this move is whether he realized it or not again caroline's foreshadowing monologue of this is how the rest of the game is going to go and the fact that okay like if sam and genevieve do go next now he's at least guaranteed fourth instead of being guaranteed fifth and when you get to four in modern survivor whoever you're with doesn't matter like it only matters if the immunity winner takes you to the end otherwise basically when you get to four alliances are kind of done you just have two outs to get to the end and that's basically it and so i do think from that perspective i i like what andy did again i don't know if he

realized in the moment how much danger he would have been in if he had stuck with the underdogs and again tamari's point and to your point as well leona there's still a fair chance he gets to the end and nobody's willing to give him the time of day. I mean, again, Sierra is going to be like a forever anti-Andy vote, but I think he was nudging his odds here with the move that he made, which is what we want Survivor players

to do in the endgame. I'm sorry. Can we talk about Teenie's edit, though? A rewatch of that? I i was like they're playing in their face like the survivor editors what did teeny do to them like what why do they they do not like her like they don't they don't like them like i just don't i can't i can't i can't i was when you're re-watching that you're like oh no um the whole sam has to go we know what's gonna happen like he quit the game props to a great impression though that was an

amazing with the hand movements too and like the head in the hands of like oh i just freaked out in the moment i'm so sorry but the the constant reaction like going to teeny's face how many times has he been blindsided at tribal at this point i like on saul now caroline well oh like i so to me is it i thought it was giving winner but now I'm thinking it's giving goat. I'm thinking it's giving final three goat, unfortunately. Which

sucks, because Teenie says it here, that they love to play with emotion, and I agree. That's why they're still there, and that's why I'm still rooting for them, even though we know what happened in episode three um but just how many times can you get blindsided by a vote

and being on the wrong side of the information before it's like i don't care how much i like you i can't vote for you to get this million dollars you know what i'm saying and i think we've reached that i think we've reached that i think we've reached that point i'm sorry we're at the final six and on top of that the nail in the coffin could be teeny saying at tribal council well we've already established a packing order so and like in front of the jury we've already established a packing order so that's what's gonna happen and then it doesn't happen i'm like i can i'm sorry if i'm sitting on that jury i cannot give you my my vote for a million unless you're sitting next to

somebody i truly hate and then i unless they really really despise andy i i don't see um a reason to vote for teeny to me i think teeny could make an argument if they end up getting there, right? Which is this idea of being the perpetual underdog, having to shift strategy. Like, I think that there's potentially a way to make the argument. Does that get you first place? I don't know. But I think that Teenie could definitely get a couple of votes. In my opinion, I just think, yeah, Teenie is getting the Charlie Brown, like sad sack at it right it is kind of a thing so especially with the the fact that teeny's bag caught on fire like those are the things that i go back to it's not oh man that was my favorite charlotte peanut special was when charlie brown's bag caught on

fire i know it's a backpack caught on fire we all love that episode my favorite special uh so that that's for me it's a wildfire charlie brown oh no i love it oh good grief i think i think that teeny i don't know in my head what would be such i and i feel really bad because i drafted teeny i'm rooting for teeny and and teeny even with the edit you know came to social media to say like look and teeny's young too right this has given me an opportunity to reflect on who I am. And I think that this was really a growth opportunity for Teenie, at least from what I've seen so far. But Teenie losing fire would just sort of be funny. Well, they have, yeah, they have a little bit of an aversion to it, I think. Yeah, exactly. Teenie's back caught on fire. Teenie's game essentially went up in flames,

but then can't go up in flames when they need it to go up in flames. Like it's just very funny about that. So like, I would love for Teenie to be able to get to the final three and articulate their case, but I would accept that as an alternative outcome as well. Yeah. I mean,

I think for me, first off, there's a little bit of a duality here in that I will say it again. Like I love people expressing their emotions on survivor i think we are far and away past the sort of game bot era that we got in the early 30s and especially these past few seasons have been some more personality driven ones uh maybe not as like emotionally driven as 46 but listen you're living in an incredibly pressurized deprivation laden environment it only makes sense for you to feel the way that you did

teeny's also super fan maybe they were trying to channel liz who whose big standout episode they had just watched prior to coming out to play and like i want my own reward meltdown for not getting picked that like the entire monologue the shaquilla that they went on back at camp was so funny and like i'm trying to figure out from everyone else's perspective if they were hopping on board i know that sue was sue was like oh someone else has a hate boner fantastic i got rid of my main source of antipathy yes good go to the dark side teeny like see what the set covered emperor palpatine vibes to her uh but that being said as much as i i loved just the emotional reaction everything i could not say this was objectively a bad edit for teeny not only that but to your point mari the being

confidently incorrect about everything in this episode of Sam just quit the game. He made the worst decisions. Now, look, I don't know if Sam had ulterior motives, more so than what he expressed in the moment as to who he picked. I do think he kind of lucked into picking the right people to go on that reward rather than just reenact scenes from an Italian restaurant. But, you know, to your point, through the confessionals, through tribal council

just teeny being so incredibly confident and maybe that's part of the roller coaster vibes of feeling like you're on the bottom like yes I finally am in a majority alliance I'm in a position of power I know I can look down and gloat upon it because you idiot Sam you quarterback you you fumbled the ball at the one yard line with a guaranteed walk in touchdown. I took it back. I'm running it back for a pick six. And like, that was not the case whatsoever. And so I am intrigued to see how they move forward.

I wouldn't say exactly GOAT just yet, because we can look at certain winners who have strung together a really impressive series of single handed moves from like the final six onwards that have given them a good case of winning we still have a few rounds of play that teeny could do something but it goes back to to your point mari the rachel of it all and even like a genevieve even a sam to a certain extent where i do feel like if any of those people are sitting in the end with teeny there's a good chance they get more votes than them so Teenie kind of has to operate only under

at my at my perspective the only winning scenario for them at the moment would be like sitting next to Andy and Sue and that perception of Andy and Sue carries through. Yeah, and I hope Andy realizes that too because Andy can't take full responsibility of Operation Italy if he's sitting next to Sam and Genevieve at the end as well. So I hope he realizes that as well and gets rid of the two of them

because I personally want to see Andy, Teenie, Sue, Rachel, Final Four. That's what I want to see because at that point I'm just big chilling. Honestly. So this was such a, this was such a great episode. It was such a, a good character study and like tribe dynamic. Yeah. And I love that as well, to go back to the Star Wars analogy. Like I love the the trajectories of genevieve and teeny at tribal council of like genevieve being like i've learned to let my walls

down and really you know truly embrace the idea of connection because if i don't it's left me out on an island where my dad peeps in through the letters and says are you winning son and I say no dad I haven't made any friends and then teeny on the other hand is like no I've learned that my emotions jeopardize my position and that I should burn them at all costs it's so interesting to see two people take you know the the same interaction and go in completely opposite directions. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think the the the actual the sanctuary where good things happen, I thought was very fascinating because it was, you know, you think about Sam's position in the game and how he's who's going to choose, you know, what's his plan, what's his move? And then it was like, OK, well, he ended up choosing Andy

because he promised he would choose Andy. And then Andy is the one who came with the plan. So that was also very interesting to see. And also very funny in a season with Rome, we get Operation Italy. He was not involved. But I did, Pouya and I were joking that we thought that Operation Italy was good

because we saw the title of the episode was going to refer to somebody getting the boot. So I'm actually kind of upset that that didn't happen. But I'll take Italian food being the motivation for the name as well. Great. Yeah, that's interesting. And I know that some people had said, should it be the Italian job? But I'm pretty sure, I've done some research that Operation Italy, I'm pretty sure was like an some research that operation Italy, I'm pretty sure it was like an actual thing from world war two.

And listen, I mean, Andy voted in German at one point, maybe it's just a big world war two head. And so he's like, yeah, I know exactly what I'm going to reference. We're encroaching upon a hundred years past that moment.

It's time to bring back the conversation. He's a big world war two guy. Oh no. Oh, no. No. Yeah. I mean, look, I think we can all agree that this was a very fun episode. I think it sets the stage for the end game,

especially this being the penultimate episode, because, but again, whatever. We'll quibble with that later. Yeah, that was so confusing to me. was like huh it's a two part finale four hour finale what's so wrong about that it's a you know you know what it is is that some people celebrate their birthday some people

celebrate their birth week some even go so far to say their birth month this is just Survivor being like our finale is so good it's taking place across a fortnight yes okay i was like because i i'm kind of planning to go to bryson one next week so i was like wait am i gonna be there for four hours and then when i said 11 like 11 18 i was like oh great like so i was like oh so not much you just announced you're adding 30 more minutes to the next two episodes like i don't know what i was so confused i was i was very confused yeah it's it's

fine i mean i i think i've talked about this before on the pod like to me this is uh cbs basically being like well the summit is over and so we need to fill that 9.30 to 10 slot and Survivor's like, okay, it's a two-week, four-hour finale. What's interesting is that in the press release, it says two immunity challenges and two tribal councils. If we're to take that literally, I don't know if that means we're going to like, we'll most likely get two boots, but we might not.

It might be a, Mari, you and I talked to Exile Island over the summer. It might be the uh mara you and i talked to exile island over the summer it might be the classic to be continued so reboot into the final four of like well we gotta get rid of our final five boot here because otherwise the finale would just be final four fire making the final tribal council in the after show oh no what can i um can i just list things I liked from this episode of course you can okay great I loved the quote about Becca Beach where bad things happen yeah it was the exact opposite of the sanctuary exactly the sanctuary where good things happen Becca Beach where bad things happen that was very funny um in the reward challenge both Genevieve and Caroline did a little oop

when they were jumping over the log. That was very funny. I enjoyed that. Sam has never had tiramisu. Are we surprised? It's pronounced tiara misu. Oh, sorry. Yes.

Tiara misu. I'm still sick of him and his limited palate. Which sounds like if Sue, like, like you know at this point in the game where she's calling rachel what's her name like if she was at the merge introducing herself to sierra and sierra goes oh i'm sierra she goes oh tiara me sue they're like oh i don't know it's day 26 uh mike i'm gonna need you to please write this down when you do your exit interview with genevieve can you please ask if she got her eyebrows laminated before coming out onto survivor it's very relevant like laminated or you do you mean like tattooed eyebrows like sierra don thomas

no lamination yes does that mean like i mean all i think that gets to like uh like elementary school not no no i think i would also like, like elementary school, like not, not, no, no. I think I would also like to know the answer to that question. This is what everybody wants to know because her eyebrows always look amazing. And also I started noticing she was having bows in her hair that match the color of the row that she was in. So she had a blue one and then a purple one for the immunity challenge. And I thought that that was very cute. So is that like because they they sometimes in this season are given like ribbons for the colors that they are.

Is it that she ties it up? OK, I didn't know if this like a Minnie Mouse, a bow for all occasions. You know, I couldn't bring my luxury items into the game production. Let me bring in a rainbow assortment of bows. Yeah, I don't think that that was it like that was her you know when in survivor you used to get your object from home or whatever yeah i don't i don't think that that was her object from home i think it was probably anyway i'm sure there were a few other things but those are the ones that popped my mind for my

well i'm surprised liana you didn't point out the next chapter in Andy fucks the challenge saga. Did you see? So first off, this stage of the challenge, which is very fun of navigating it through the wire maze, but instead of balls this time, we have moved, I suppose, northward in the anatomy of it all. Liana, you might be able to clarify that. But we have the double sided warrior staff, which, listen, I haven't been to some bachelorette parties but i'm pretty sure that gets commonly given out as a favor um but there's at one point where andy has this technique where let me stand up and kind of like yes please oh god and he goes oh jesus i feel bad for whoever is watching the uh video we've seen it thank you my something for people

that might not have noticed it. I think it was the angle of your camera that was really the most inappropriate in that moment, but yes. Yeah, full frontal. Okay, Mike's humped the camera. It's fine. So, yes. Yes, that's just Andy.

So, the theory is, those are his strongest muscles. And so, you know, if you're trying to lift something you you try to like you you default to sort of your strongest muscles over maybe what the appropriate technique is so the theory is that andy's thrusting muscles are the strongest so that's what he's utilizing to do all of the tasks so can we brainstorm here because leona i think for a while you and i have tried to been prognosticating of like andy will win an immunity challenge is there one in the current

repertoire that would be able to help this particular set of muscles the only thing i can think of is that big brother challenge where you have to rock on the horse oh yeah you that's it's literally just the thrusting or um yeah that's about it so it won't help you that's for sure so i mean listen you only have one hand but maybe you could use something else to pick the ball up there's no rule against it. It's technically fine. It's technically fine. I do want to pull the group here because I also, you know, put out the question on social media

yesterday at the time we're recording this. In your opinion, Mari, is this the best episode of the new era? I'm the worst person to ask this because it literally goes in and out for me well this is always it's good though because i'm sure there are like a couple that might jump to the front of your head when you think of the best episode so it's like you know it's gonna be less so about oh well the ticky tack if you remember this episode it'll be right more so from your perspective like

the big ones how does it stack up to it i mean uh the only the only other one that's really coming to me is um cody's vote out um again maybe it's because i watched it at bryson win but um i honestly i'll give it to them i like this episode this was this was this was a very very fun episode caleb caleb shot in the dark hitting nah nah and that's another thing I think you go with this episode because we don't know what the fallout is and it's easier to sit in the moment of this

episode you know what I'm saying and not being clouded by what comes next so I'm going to go with Operation Italy yeah let's do it let's say it's the number one. What about you Liana? Yeah well I mean and recency bias for sure, I think for me plays a role in this. So Pouy and I, I just, I just let

my brain, I tried to like empty my brain and then just let survivor moments from the new era pop into my brain. The first thing that popped in my brain was Gabler winning Survivor 43. That was the first thing that popped in my brain because I remember we were all just like what the hell is happening right now? So for some reason, that moment popped in my brain. the Caleb shot in the dark for sure was also on my

list the double episode of D and um like D turning on Drew the like sort of that like sequence of events yeah a lot of people say the uh the new orleans episode that we had last year which was d telling julie to idle out emily getting information from austin was also a very good one yeah like that sort of end game series of events were the ones that were to me like very interesting and those like stand out my mind but also potentially a little recency bias but apart from that i was thinking okay what's what's the big move and not even necessarily that this move in and of itself is something completely new and novel that we've never seen before. It's essentially a minority taking advantage of a vote split. That's really

all it is. But as I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, there are, or the beginning of this podcast, there's so many reasons why it makes it good that add up, right? So the move is fun. The editing is fun. The So the move is fun. The editing is fun. The underdog story is fun. And I think that that is what really solidifies it as one of the top episodes, if not the top episode of the new era. And that's what makes it also kind of different, as much as I brought this question up to compare it to the other episodes,

is because it does feel so entirely different. Because for me, I think it is one of the the best i don't know if it's the best and this is going to be a bit of an odd comparison but to me operation italy was a movie and cody's boot was an episode of a tv show not only quite literally but like operation italy to your point mari even just as an isolated incident no matter what happens afterwards is a lot of fun. Yes, it does maybe predicate a little bit on it. You know, I love the fact that despite this like random seed that got planted a while ago of, oh, Andy and Genevieve want to work together and it's never fully materialized. Now it actually has with Genevieve coming to Andy hat in hand and being like, okay, I'm so sorry. I said

that thing about you being a goat. He's like, no. Actually, that's just what I needed to enact my plan and for the two of them to work together was awesome. But by and large, this was a story that had a beginning, middle, and end contained therein. What makes Cody's Blindside, I think it's called telenovela,

so captivating to me was that it really was predicated on an entire season of backstory you know it was this idea of Jesse and Cody working together from the beginning of this storyline of Jesse being given an idol and holding on to it and also being given Cody's idol as well and getting to like see all that build up to this tragic breaking point it's also really interesting because again as eventually on it there is this sort of with apologies to caroline fans a very fun positive oh my god i can't believe we pulled this off mood uh it's the you know blowing up the death star type of moment at the end of return of the jedi for operation italy cody and jesse is more like the end of empire strikes back where it's like oh my god this is

brutal i can't believe that ended up having i guess maybe it's more so the end of um the end of what's called revenge of the sith but it's like here's this brotherhood that was broken apart by by one person but i do really like it because to me i don't think there's anything in the new era that has captivated me so much as that like five which felt like five minute pause between Cody getting voted out and standing up and just looking at Jesse and you're like are we gonna get someone DQ'd for the first time for like just absolutely laying into a guy and he's like nope he's gonna shake his hand so it's it's almost tough I would almost say apples and oranges uh not to you know uh throw

out two fruits that sam maybe has never tried in his life uh between the two episodes but i think for my personal taste in survivor i think telenovela would just nudge out operation italy i i think there was okay i hear what you're saying. And I agree in terms of a multi-part through line that led up to Cody's boot. I think there were elements that build up to Operation Italy, particularly all the Andy stuff with Andy saying, I'm the evil one. I'm gathering the people. I'm putting all these things together. Like I remember saying in my head

what what is this leading to like what is this leading towards this is happening this is leading towards something turns out it was leading towards operation italy i think narratively so i think there was some build up to it but it certainly wasn't as nuanced it wasn't as complicated especially mike when you bring up the idol thing right like that whole series of events how jesse ended up with that idol just what a mess and so that makes it a little bit more complicated and I think then a little bit more fun yeah and again and then we know that Jesse goes out what like the next episode I believe well the next episode's the finale so yeah right right right yeah yeah oh god yeah and everybody just falls one by one all the people were rooting for um but yeah so yeah i i just i like i like operation italy just in itself yeah

like like i had i had family watching with me today like they've never watched survivor in their life and they're like oh wow yeah like just from an understanding of getting all of the pieces in just one episode that the editors finally played along they finally helped they they they made it a movie so i'm gonna stick with it i'm gonna stick aside i'm gonna go operation. My mom, based on the oral description I gave her, thought it was a great episode. As I am like walking home, I'm trying to explain how vote split works just generally. Everybody loves a plurality. I checked out this episode via the chat GPT summary, and it was one of the best episodes I've ever read.

Exactly. Exactly. So it's got mom's approval yeah though that's interesting though because uh I'll be intrigued to see Liana when we talk in a couple weeks time and maybe this will also be dependent on like where Andy finishes because I I would imagine the casuals were not a big fan of him going into this episode and so I don't know if this will move the needle in either direction I drafted Andy. I like want him to win, but this episode did piss me off.

I was like, no, sir. How dare you? How dare you turn on those people? But it gave us iconic TV, right? That's what your draft should be about. Exactly. It gives the best TV. And Rachel didn't leave, so I was fine i was like i was like okay cool and that is interesting because you know i had alleged and sam pretty

much alluded to it on social media that part of the reason why operation italy had to work ironically enough is if him and genevieve don't win immunity because they have to split the votes between the two of them and i think he didn't necessarily say outright that he was throwing the challenge but like pretty much said he was but like at the same time if you're one of those people and you're in the end and you hear rachel's doing well are you like shit now you have to balance between this plan going to effect and like having to pivot massively from your main target possibly winning immunity and stymieing the plan to begin with right exactly that's such a gamble but that's such a gamble also even just even if rachel's not

winning right like even just to be able to if you have a challenge that you could potentially do well at and then just be like okay it's for the the broader plan this is for italy yeah well i mean that's what that's what yule said his big game plan was in the post-murder of cook islands was that he always purposely put himself in second place it's like that scene in the incredibles when dash is running the race at the end like oh no okay don't get out to a two-league make it close make it close where he claims he was always just behind the aussie and maybe sandbagging a little bit just to make sure that the opposition didn't win, but to make sure that he didn't win to put an even bigger target on himself.

But I agree, Yul was in a very different position than Sam and Genevieve were. On the other hand, it seems like part of the reason why they obviously opted in is because they had to go for broke here. One of the reasons why, you know, we were talking last week certainly about okay could this just be a big steamroll towards the end there's no reason why these other two i even pointed out this option last week in our podcast leona being like yeah i bet you what's gonna happen is that andy's gonna come up with this plan to split the votes between sam and genevieve and then he's gonna hop over on the plurality but but Rachel has a block of vote so surely that's going to put the player to rest the player was not put to rest it is awake okay I will say I think that part of the reason why Operation Italy did end up happening is because Rachel won

immunity like I think Rachel was willing to be like fine I'm okay because I'm safe and then even if one of these other people get taken out, I still have the block of vote. I still have a hidden idol. I am essentially guaranteed to final four. So I think even though we see Rachel protest about the move, I think there's a reason why she didn't push through on it because she knew that she personally was not in danger.

I completely agree. I tweeted, I tweeted that out on blue sky time to do the andy motion again um no i completely agree because the i thought it was very interesting that editing wise rachel was very quiet this episode and except for the few times that she did talk, like her, whatchamacallit, the side, like her, whatchamacallit, interview side, everything, the things that she did say, she was like, why don't we just put all the votes on Sam? No? Okay.

And then like, she would just, little things like that. And then strategically at final tribal nothing she let teeny and all that all that nothing i think she i think she really did have an inkling but like liana said it didn't matter she was safe and no matter what happens i truly think she is in a better position her andy jen and sam are all in a better position now because caroline is gone you break up that that block with sue they're coming to sue and and teeny are coming to rachel you know what i'm saying rachel let's let it happen her biggest um competition on her own side goes home she has all the information now knowing that andy is is potentially not with her anymore or whatever

like and she has all the tools she's like she said she's locked and loaded that's that's what she said and so i i truly think i agree with liana she knew she she could have had an inkling but she did not care to push because it it it didn't affect her game it didn't tank her game it actually kind of helped yeah it is interesting yeah that sometimes when we see like a side lose on a vote sometimes if the winner is part of that group they tend to like get shown the least or certainly by comparison to people like teeny who talked about you know essentially calls kobe before just like hurling the basketball into the next yard or something uh but certainly by comparison rachel was getting even from caroline right who was getting a lot of like this is why sue and i work so well together

this is how i'm going to win the game rachel was very silent now look maybe it's because she had a huge episode last week in many different ways. But it is interesting, especially looking back, if she does end up winning this season, how it's like, yeah, we wanted to like make her one of the less messy people who wound up on that wrong side of the vote. So that it didn't seem like she got so much egg on her face moving forward. Yeah. That and you hear her actively protest,

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universe the survivor is gonna let their winner go because even erica even erica got content and got a mat chat like at the beginning in the first episode okay so genevieve was absent for the first four episodes so yeah but it's because the vote apparently is like uh her core memory yeah exactly unlock who she was she still is talking about it like 10 episodes later and i'm like we're still talking about Keyshawn's boot like I forgot that even happened you know what I mean so I know there'll just be a lesson to future Survivor players if you really want to have a lasting impression and make your way onto Survivor 50 say something

traumatizing to the other players all the way out that'll just really extend your life in the game and then you get the little ghost at it where you get to being like you betrayed me whatever it is maury what about you that's a very interesting list um i'm i'm at i'm at rachel i i'm at i'm gonna say with I'm like what I'm like there's no way like there's no way so

so I'm gonna go Rachel Andy teeny um Sam Genevieve suit because I I don't understand how you let Sam or Genevieve get even close to the final four unless they win final five immunity. One of them wins final five immunity. Yeah, and that's the thing is that, you know, they only, I guess that's the good thing about Sam and Jamie have also wanted to keep each other in the game

is that like they are also could expend a shield in the form of the other person. And then they just need to win immunity at the final five or like maybe if Sue or Rachel play their idol next round then they can find another one and play it and then again it doesn't matter if you're out on an island by yourself at the final four you just have to win immunity or win fire making exactly i mean that's the thing is that if okay so there's only two like votes left right so all it takes because they would have to be voted out in the six and five position so if one of them manages to survive you know one of those

votes you're already in the final four and then i think a pretty high likelihood potentially of making it to the final three so i don't think it's out even though in my head it's like well obviously they're the two targets they've been targeted for so long they're obviously going to go they're not going to make the the final four i think there's out, even though in my head, it's like, well, obviously they're the two targets. They've been targeted for so long. They're obviously going to go. They're not going to make the final four. I think there's a very real possibility that one, if not both, somehow managed to squeak in there. Yeah, my list is pretty similar to Mari's. Rachel is number one for me. I actually would put I would puty number two as well now is a pretty large gap between them because i still think andy is uh much like the other cbs wednesday night show that just finished climbing a mountain in terms of his own perception and his uh his reception from the jury as to mounting a winning

game especially sitting next to somebody like rachel or sam or genevieve but i think it was a market push forward and I think from an edit perspective like in my opinion he is the character of the season and certainly if he makes the finale I think that will be the that will be the case as well I did put Genevieve third I see what you're saying Liana that from an edit perspective like it makes sense to discount somebody that was practically invisible in the first quarter of the season so far but i i do think from the practicality perspective of if she does make it to the end why i would put her above sam even if they were sitting in the end together some way somehow if a meteor goes and takes out

the people that were left out of the italian reward is that like genevieve's ability to open up at tribal council and i do not think this is her playing it up for the jury I do think a lot of this is incredibly sincere which is also fascinating as well to kind of have like the game bot learn emotions uh truly out of like an AI horror story but to have her yeah but exactly but to have her be so sincerely emotive at tribal council about like her realizing that while this method of playing the game was better perhaps from like a cutthroat good tv perspective it wasn't from an oh my god i'm living out here 24 hours a day with other people perspective and i do think it's a little bit apples and oranges again but like it reminds me of sophie's breakdown in the finale of south

pacific of like oh i saw you this one, but now you genuinely are feeling some way different and expressing this too much in a way that didn't feel necessarily performative. Plus the narrative that would show up of like, not only was I a target, I was the target. You could say what you want to about how needless the Saul vote was, but like I have been the name on everyone's lips since then

and I am somehow made it to the final three. Sam would put beneath that though i think he does have ironically enough like it might be a hot take i think the person that would maybe give rachel the biggest run for her money in terms of jury votes in the end it might be sam um because sam has basically a locked in vote in Sierra from my talkings with a lot of people on the jury like Saul was trying to work with him for a certain extent like there could be a lot of people that would be endeared to his underdog status and he has

those relationships as well maybe as opposed to somebody like Genevieve or like if Teenie is sitting on the jury and Genevieve is in the final three I this is called a threat whatever you want to. I don't know if that's necessarily going through, but I did put Sam forth. And then unfortunately, Teenie, who, yeah, does tank a little bit,

given those most recent week and Sue scrapping it up at the rear with her soot covered face. Oh, my God. Yeah, we did. And we got a little like a kind of a little explanation as to why she's always dirty. Yes. So I was able to and maybe, you know, you laugh about like, oh, Mike, ask about the laminated eyebrows. But look, I get to the bottom of things in my exit press.

And I did ask Caroline about where I did point out, like you never told Sue that her face was dirty. And Caroline said, for the record, yes, yes i did and she said that it's not dirt it is soot and it's that sue was sort of like the resident fire tender in the camp and to do so she got her face perhaps perilously close but close nonetheless to the fire which got her face covered in soot which is notably a lot harder to scrub off than dirt for anyone who has, uh, done their fair share of like Santa costume play, uh,

in their lifetimes. I don't know if anyone on the panel has, I might just be speaking from personal experience. Uh, so I think they, I think they attempted it. Like they've told her in the past, she did.

Rachel did wash her face. I think Sue tried and it was a lot harder to scrub it off and then to a certain extent she's like it's part of me now you know i don't know who i am without it that's interesting they just decided like all right listen if you're gonna live with it if you're happy with it okay sarah sarah go ahead so do you send sue into final four to get rid of somebody final four fire making a point oh that's interesting because i you know i thought you know sue obviously sue and andy i think both their edit is coming across as goat like this is someone who could potentially be taken to the final

three but if sue is our resident fire maker then maybe that's a risk that you need to be willing to take if a big target like a sam a genev viva rachel is still in the game at that point so yeah one of them will be so could be a throwback to liana's uh categorically objectively favorite episode of the new era in the 43 finale when everyone was convincing cassidy like send me into fire against jesse i want to be the one to take this person out exactly yes my favorite episode well let's get into the person that uh you know was luckily able to fill in the blanks on sue's face but unfortunately that's because she was voted out this week in the form of caroline now to your point marie i think that that uh Caroline was sort of like part of this three-headed hydra of uh strategic forward women we got in this end game of her Genevieve and

Rachel and actually the next time on sets up a very fun like it's Genevieve versus Rachel very like Australian survivor coded as to who's going to take the other down and that sort of came at the cost of losing Caroline here Liana how did you think Caroline was going to do in the preseason? Yes. So I had her making the jury. I said that with her freshly minted NBA, Caroline jumps into the game ready to gather more knowledge this time about the players around her. She goes under the radar in the pre-jury, doing just enough socially to stick around

and not wanting to suffer from big moves itis come the merge however turns out she waited too long to make a big move and should have turned on her fellow tukus instead of letting them sacrifice her to the merge tribe to diminish their overall threat level caroline gets a wonderful personal segment about playing survivor as someone with adhd her allies were sue and asia and her enemy was the two coos oh interesting so it's almost like basically plug her into what happened with gabe a few weeks exactly exactly she was the one that needed to go for the group to move on well i also had caroline making the jury uh so I said, coming to Survivor between business school and resuming her job as a strategy consultant,

Caroline enters the game with a head for tactics and numbers. That quickly bonds her to one of the other most strategic people on her tribe in Gabe. Caroline faces a situation where basically I'd said that like she gets an under the radar edit

and then she gets kind of swap screwed and put onto a tribe where she's like the only one from her tribe and gets a little bit of like that remember when caleb got that edit in 45 briefly i'm like oh no he's on this tribe by himself uh caroline will be known to cut a line in confessional as her self-admitted blunt way of handling things will lead to some shady remarks about her fellow castaways caroline struggles to find her footing for the first half of the game as she loses gabe pre-merge and then undergoes a streak of tuku cullings we get a scene where she's surprisingly emotional despite her head first approach to the game talking about her adhd left with few options caroline locks in with

sue as the last two tuku and they're able to cut a swath into the post-merge their partnership gets cut short however when caroline suggests a late game women's alliance to take out the remaining men in sam and andy it puts her on everyone's radar again as a threatening thinker and they decide to blindside her for the umpteenth and final time. Her ally was Sue and her enemy was Sam. It is funny to me that both times a women's alliance has been mentioned, a woman has gone home. We have had the continuation

of the women's alliance curse. Sierra, now Caroline. Annika. Annika. Yeah, exactly. Oh, God. Oh, no. All right, Caroline. Annika. Annika. Yeah, exactly. Oh, God. God, Lee. Oh, no. All right, Mari.

The choice is yours here. You're the Sam in this situation. Who are you going to pick? And who's going to go into entire monologue and impression of you when your back is turned about not getting picked? Oh, no. Jeez. That was good because it's like,

I feel like Liana the the pre-merge like really well kind of but you got the the post-merge there we didn't get an adh uh adhd ad oh god we did we did we did what did i miss it yeah last last episode when she's like uh apologizing to sue she has this big i'm not gonna let someone else play my game and then she has this moment in confessional where she talks about growing up and feeling like she was a failure because of school and she's lived her entire life trying to prove she's not that failure this sounds slightly familiar i have children it's hard um uh okay okay okay uh i think i am going to go with i gotta go with mike's i think i gotta go with mike's i'm sorry it was it was that was hard that was hard y'all were both so close like y'all were really spot on with her

her placement here leona big big bounce back for you after a couple of weeks. Newsies, I know. It's not going to get any better though. Oh no. I know. Well, you know, because the problem is obviously you get one thing wrong,

you get another thing. It spirals, right? We truly are the wordle of Survivor Podcast when it comes to our predictions. It sounded like chat gbt wrote both of those and like and that's what that yes because they get some things right but then something's like very wrong like the google ai answer it's like yes right and then

the rest is totally wrong or not updated yeah exactly but it was good i'm sorry i i i'm sorry i don't know it's all good it's all good all right well maybe liana has a chance to get some revenge here on mari because i have a game prepared this week and it's something brand new much like the metallic maze with the double-edged warrior staff so of course it is b&b custom liana we like to check in with what the casuals think about our current crop up contestants but there's been one person whose opinion we've sort of been remiss on as to their own pre-season thoughts much like the ones that you and i offer liana and that is one jeff probst now i'm not sure if the two of you were on the up and up on the on fire colon the official survivor podcast, but at

the end of every week, those that are just listening, they both have said they both put their whole job to be like, oh, I missed this week's podcast. Of course I missed out on it. Always listen to the official survivor podcast always. Well, we're going to test your memories of it because of course

as you know, at the end of every episode jeff goes through the casting notes that he wrote down for the most recent boot of what they were thinking at the time that they were in the mix so what we're gonna do for this game is i am going to read out a casting note that Jeff Probst has written about an eliminated player. So we are dealing with everyone except for the final six. So that is John Lovett. That is TK. That is Asia.

Unfortunately, that is Keyshawn. That is Annika, Rome, Tiana, Sierra, Saul, Gabe, Kyle, and of course, Caroline. You can also look this up if you want to. I am going to read gender neutral Jeff's opinions about this person from casting. Okay. You have to guess who Jeff was talking about. Okay. Now we'll do this in a way where you both can write down your guesses separately. We will use

the honor system. Okay. I will also say that maybe sometimes the same person might be used for a couple of answers as well. Oh! Okay, so we can't eliminate someone. Keep your options open, people. Ah, gee.

Alright. I got my notepad. I have a notepad, but i don't have a pen an elena morrison lyric waiting to happen i found a to-do list the only thing that's not crossed off is make soup oh no is that for today no this is for like two weeks ago but i did make soup so i'm gonna go ahead and retroactively pass that off the list well done me good job liana uh okay so this is gonna be a fun test of how well do you i guess estimate jeff probes pre-season opinions of these people me and jeff probe really think alike. Exactly.

This is your opportunity to see if that mind meld held, Mari. All right. So here we go. And again, these are all gender neutral statements, so it could be about anybody. Okay, let's start. Love, capital letters. Instantly leaps out and engages you.

They're clearly driven, always wants to grow and get more out of life. They're very current in terms of how they tell a story and is a great example of a younger person who has a work ethic and is clearly going to be a player.

I'll read that all again as you comb through the choices. Love, capital letters, instantly leaps out and engages you. They're clearly driven, always wants to grow and get more out of life. They are very current in terms of how they tell a story and is a great example of a younger person who has a work ethic and they're clearly going to be a player. I feel like I feel like this.

You want this to lean one way okay I got my answer Mario what'd you write down it's like I try to think of this matching anybody but Rome but honestly there we go

that's what I could come up with okay I said i said get i said game this is terrible i said game okay uh well there's room for improvement on both your ends you are both incorrect it is annika uh okay okay yeah interesting interesting i don't know what jeff means uh by many things but also they're very current in terms of how they tell a story was sitting in her interviews like oh that blind side was totally ohio i got the riz to win oh no i'm gonna flush everyone's

gaze down the skippity toilet no he. He was acting like a real Sigma. That's the thing. In this week's episode, or last week's episode of the podcast, of course, as you all know, Jeff Probst did say, like, listen, what Kyle did, very unique to him. People don't do bits moving forward, and maybe that's going to disincentivize all the Gen Zers that are listening to the podcast from throwing in any parlance

on the way out. Too bad. Okay. I'm just sitting here trying to remember everybody. ears that are listening to the podcast from throwing at any parlance on the way out. Too bad. Okay, interesting. I'm just sitting here trying to remember everybody. I'm right out of the right everybody's names. Yeah, you can also look it up. Also, I was trying to look up how young Annika is, if it's like, oh,

she talks with so much youthfulness. She is 26. Yeah, that's why I was like, okay, it's someone on the younger end. Yeah. I was like, it's someone on the younger the younger end so I was like oh Gabe was like 26 I think so yeah alright great story well next one this is going to be a little bit more succinct

so maybe that will help you here okay no brainer are they really this good I hope so because I love them are they no brainer are they really this good I hope so, because I love them. Are they... No-brainer.

Are they really this good? I hope so, because I love them. What useless notes. I'm telling you. I will say, just moving forward, a lot of these are... Like, Jeff Probst clearly did not edit these down for the podcast,

because a lot of them are, they should be on the show. Yeah, right. Exactly. Great choice. Like, okay. All right, Liana. for the podcast because a lot of them are they should be on the show yeah right exactly like great choice like okay all right liana i no brainer are they really this good i hope so because i love them i put rome this time rome marie what about you yeah i i thought it could be rome but then i just said kyle because it's, that's a good one. Mari is on the board. It is Kyle.

Yeah. Oh, OK. I got to be like Jeff. That's my problem. OK. I also feel like that entire logic can just be lifted and applied to why Kyle was voted out last week. Like, should we get rid of him? No brainer.

Is he really this good? I hope so, because I love him. Next up, they could be a great liar and might use gossip about others to move the way they want. They could be a great liar and might use gossip about others

to move the way they want. Okay. Gossip about others. Okay, this is an indictment of Jeff Probst, not me, just to be clear. Okay. Exactly. Okay, with that precursor. Mari, what'd you write?

I wrote Sierra. Sierra. Okay, Liana, what'd you write? I wrote Sierra. Sierra. Okay. Liana, what about you? I said Sierra too. You both said Sierra. Yeah. Interesting.

No, because this was one of Jeff Probst's most accurate, prescient predictions here. That was Keyshawn. I was like, it's a girl or a gay. It's a woman. Yep. Those are my two thoughts. i was like we're ruling out all the straight men yep i was like jeff robes is making assumptions here that's so funny

okay great yeah all right next up this is a bit of a long one they're amazing very compelling incredible storyteller they They will be great. They should be on the show. And then he talks about, as we continue to talk more in future conversations, I wrote, they do overthink things. This could cause decision-making issues. And then after another interview, I wrote, they should and could go very deep. They're so smart.

What would stop them? And the entire thing, they're amazing, very compelling, incredible storyteller. They will be great. They should be on the show. And then as we continue to talk more in future conversations, I wrote, they do overthink things.

This could cause decision-making issues. And then after another interview, I wrote, they should and could go very deep they're so smart what would stop them this one's hard i don't know i mean i do love the lady gaga-esque genuflecting to start initially all right liana what'd you write down i said john john love it maureen yeah i said asia i it was between the two of them that's what i Liana, what'd you write down? I said John. John Lovett, Mari? Yeah. I said Asia. It was between the two of them.

That's what I'm saying. Liana ties it up. It is John Lovett. I thought so. I thought Asia too, Mari. I was, and then I was like, but that does sound like John Lovett, but he's like, what could stop him?

He's famous. Yeah, but I guess Jeff was posing more of a rhetorical question when I think Maury provided the answer. All right, so we are all tied up here. Next up. I look back at my notes, and it turns out I like them more every time I talk to them. It was really interesting to read them back, referring to the notes.

The first time, I found them interesting, and I wrote, I'm drawn to them, but I don't know why yet. The second time, I wrote, I'm starting to see their intensity in a great way. I'm still really drawn to them, and I'm starting to understand why. And the third time I wrote, incredibly compelling. I get it. So a real slow burn from Jeff Probst here. Just to recap, I look back in my notes and turns out I like them more every time I talk to them. It was really interesting to read them. The first time I found them interesting and I wrote, I'm drawn to them, but I don't know why yet. The second time I wrote, I'm starting to see their intensity in a great way. I'm still really drawn to them, and I'm starting to understand why.

And the third time I wrote, incredibly compelling, I get it. Let's see if you get the answer, Mari. Does this include Caroline or no? Yes. Oh. I said Tiana.

Okay, I said Asia. Mari, that last minute pivot could have helped you. It was Caroline. Oh! Because the whole time I was thinking, I was like, I wasn't including her. And then, oh, man. Yeah, but that's interesting.

Like, you get sort of like the slam dunk Kyle no-brainer. They've got to be on the show versus the Caroline. There's something about you. I've just got to... on the show versus the caroline there's something about you i've just gotta it's it's like putting a mysterious food in your mouth and being like i'm tasting something like i'm not hating it i just got to chew on it a little bit more what can i say uh i am halfway in the mind of death probes scary place to be okay all right next up fantastic i love them should be on the show really pops boastful but they're charming really wants to fit in with the group fear of being left

out a little bit of psychoanalyst but not analysis from pros oh Fantastic. I love them. Should be on the show. Really pops boastful, but they're charming. Really wants to fit in with the group. Fear of being left out. Oh, my God. Am I going to second guess myself here? Liana. Okay.

I'm going to stick with my I'm going to say TK. TK. Okay. Dang it. liana what are you thinking i'm gonna stick with my i'm gonna say tk tk okay marie dang it i wrote rome but i was thinking tk and i was like am i gonna talk myself out of rome uh i wrote rome so we'll go with rome marie this time the first guest was the correct one it was rome hey there we go this this is so interesting to me that jeff's like you know obviously talks up a lot of the private aspect something that i didn't include because obviously it would have been such a ringer is that jeff actually did write in his notes at one point quote if rome is sitting out of a challenge or falls out of it he should get to narrate part of it like if it's just very clear that Rome is not going to win or he's already won and is like narrating the second part of it Jeff's like Rome why don't you step up which goes

to show that maybe the whole sit on my stump moment was a bit premeditated yes he's been thinking about this as casting okay interesting but yeah very very very uh complicated psychoanalysis of Rome of like he just wants to fit in he wants to be part maybe the whole community aspect was inspired by rome perhaps perhaps all right we've got a few of these left mari has a two-to-one lead at this point uh next up they're very likable they're're really kind. They're magnetic. They seem to get people and understand behavior. And I want them on the show.

They're very likable. They're really kind. They're magnetic. They seem to get people and understand behavior. And I want them on the show. All right, Liana, what do you got? Asia. Asia? Okay, Mari?

Asia. Yeah. It was Tiana. Oh. I mean, I get it, though. I get it. That makes sense. I can tell. A little bit of bias making up, like,

any positive, like, lascivious thing. It's gotta be Asia. It's gotta be asia we all love asia yeah right all right all right next up here my notes are in capital letters love them now we get a little bit more of a story like the caroline i remember the first time i met them. Remember exactly their background, everything. And I wrote, I think they're really great. They're a smart person, could be a great player. They're a people person. I like them a lot. Very memorable, doesn't try to impress. And then I wrote down something they said to me. They said, I have an incredible ability to see a situation and realize what I have to do. And that stood out to me they said i have an incredible ability to see a situation and realize what i have to do and that stood out to me so basically to uh tl dr that uh they jeff loved

them initially smart player uh people person but he was particularly struck by this one quote that he was given i have an incredible ability to see a situation and realize what I have to do. So, Mari, what does that mean from your perspective? Oh, I don't know. I'm trying to not just... It's Asia. I'm just going to put... Until we get Asia, it's all gonna be asia mike

like just all right that's all liana ties it up it is saul good okay i don't know i didn't know i i yeah i try to write down what my gut says. Then I go to the list. Yeah. Well, the problem is like, I have my interpretation and then I'm trying to say, okay, well that was my interpretation of that person. But that doesn't mean that that was Jeff's because my walk away from Saul's preseason interview

was not that, right? Like that's not what I would have written down. So that was the entire thing that Jeff also then follows up on, which is him saying that uh saul surprised him out on the island where he thought he was going to be a lot more of a loud out there personality and was a lot quieter whether that was due to the circumstances or the conditions what have you so saul was able to though provide those uh fantastic nuggets of wisdom that got him cast in the first place okay this is where things stand it is two to two and we have one one response left here oh my god let's see if you both get it if one of you

gets it if none of you get it okay jesus so with blank i didn't even watch their audition tape for some reason i missed it or I didn't have time. So I just jumped on a Zoom with them. I knew nothing about who I was about to meet. And this is what I wrote. First impression, star, star, star, instantly likable. Love, love, love, huge smile, great energy, likable. Then after meeting them in person, I in person absolute star i love them maybe

my favorite player of everyone we've seen so far they could win and they could actually win despite them being able to win what does that mean if you play survivor you technically have the potential to win but jeff's like i don't know did you listen to jeff last season when he said that some of you have a zero percent chance of winning that's true they could win and they could actually win despite them being able to win i think what they're saying is like they could be a threat to win in spite of the fact that everyone could kind of see that you know right there might there are like they could be a threat to win in spite of the fact that everyone could kind of see that you know right there might there are people that could be sort of like dark horse

candidates to win because nobody expects them to win and there could be those that you look at them and you think oh yeah you're set up to win this game so we have to take you out but in this case they thread the needle of presenting that but also being able to possibly win the game at the same time yeah okay so the full thing again, while you mull over this final and most important choice, with Blank, I didn't even watch their audition tape. For some reason, I missed it or I didn't have time, so I just jumped on a Zoom with them.

I knew nothing about who I was about to meet, and this is what I wrote. First impression. Star, star, star. Instantly likable. Love, love, love love love huge smile great energy likable then after meeting them in person i wrote an absolute star i love them maybe my favorite player of everyone we've seen so far they could win and they could actually win despite them being able to win that's great all right liana your final guess here i was taken

with the smart i was between two people but a broken clock is right twice a day so we're gonna stick with asia mari i'm i'm going to psych myself out here i'm gonna say sierra and it's it's gonna be whatever i just this is too much okay you are both incorrect was it tk it was tk damn it tk was the other one that i was considering because i was like who's got a big smile like a 13th reason why right damn smile a damn smile oh i've seen asian tk and i went for the meme never me i know dang it i'm so upset okay well you know all right well okay i'll i'll throw out a tiebreaker here um because i did can we just take asia off the board

so asia is taking off the board because this is going to be a final one. This is a multiple choice question because Jeff and I was going to include, I want to include Sierra on here because Jeff had some interesting remarks about her. The problem was that he says one of the reasons why I love Sierra

is because she's so young and she has done so much and proceeded to list out everything she has done so much and proceeded to list out everything sierra has done so i will list four things that jeff says sierra has done three of them are real one of them i have made up okay it is up to you to figure out who that was uh So, so basically, did Jeff Probst say that Sierra wasn't, or I guess pick the false responses out of the following, a softball player, a long distance swimmer,

an on-air model with QVC, or an Irish step dancer. So we have a softball player, a long distance swimmer, an on-air model with QVC and an Irish step dancer. To be clear, three of these are things that Jeff said Sierra has done.

But has she actually done that? Or Jeff is just saying she's still done. I mean, listen, I know Jeff says don't lie in your application video, but it's just like applying to a job. Sometimes you gotta embellish the resume a bit. Yeah, exactly. Alright, Mari, what do you think? I am going

to go with um let's just softball player softball player you think is the the false equivalency here liana what about you sure long distance runner

so it was it was long distance swimmer swimmer but it doesn't matter the sport because that was correct uh i made up but she was a long distance swimmer swimmer but it doesn't matter the sport because that was correct uh i made up but she was a long distance swimmer so this is the full list this is what jeff had to say about sierra okay i remember watching sierra's video i can still vaguely see it in my head and being blown away at everything she has already done at this young point in her life. She was a softball player her entire life. She was also Miss Delaware.

She was a Phillies ball girl. She was an on-air model with, I think, QVC. She was a news reporter. She was an Irish step dancer. She was a singer. She did CrossFit. And she was a registered nurse, caregiver. And so she's done all these things.

And instantly likable huge energy very engaging etc etc but that's a lot of stuff i don't know yet put your audition too too bad i lost that game about being on the same page as jeff probst exactly liana whether or not you feel that you lose in the long term you have won this game you eeked out to come from behind a victory here and are truly more mentally linked with jeff probes than mari uh i consider myself more of a survivor man gal but you know i'll take it either way uh one more thing i will briefly read is that and as an addendum to i did not read the gabe run because it was very similar to the Rome of like big energy,

like loud and proud. And then he also talked about Gabe's I'll be back comment and replied, go on there with your bad self, Gabe. Oh no. She's like, you know, when the people say this,

I'm like, go on there with your bad self, Gabe. Okay. Read us the asia please there was no asia three of my possible answers it wasn't even on the board wait actually while we stay on the sierra note can i bring this up and i don't know if it's been mentioned in any other podcast but have either one of you been following that sierra also has another commendation to her name that jeff probes did not mention in his breakdown of her no okay this is going to be a little bit of a story time

so there is a costume that is sold at spirit halloween every year of sally from the nightmare before christmas okay like the the doll look yeah and every single year since it's been out people have tagged the costume they took a picture of it and they say is this tanaman joe tanaman joe of course is this this big internet celebrity influencer etc and this has happened for a while now every year it's like okay i can't believe tenemon joe modeled for this or is this really tenemon joe tenemon joe herself this year was like dressed up like the model to say like it's not me i'm trying to figure out we're all trying to figure out the person who did this lo and behold a week ago a tiktok was put out by one sierra right where she said she is the model for the sally spirit halloween design and so this like pretty deeply held

random internet question for the past like half decade or so has been answered by of all people someone that is currently on the airing season of survivor i'm i'm looking at it now it is her i mean it looks more like tana but with the makeup on but she's got like behind the scenes photos and everything so i mean obviously it's definitely sierra that's so weird yeah let me see if i can uh because i did i did treat it out but we can uh take a look at it because it's what a crossover yeah so random that reminds me of the celebrity number six from that print oh yeah where there was like they could identify all the celebrities except for one and they finally found celebrity number six. Yeah, exactly. Let me see if I can bring it up on my screen.

I did a tweet about it. Okay. Yeah. So this on the left is the, this is the Sally from nightmare before Christmas that people think looks like Tana Mongeau. And then this is Sierra, you know, it's tough to sort of like compare the two faces especially amidst the heavy amount of makeup but yeah who would have

thought like a random internet mystery would get solved at the same time that sierra is in the public sphere right like liana to your point that would be equivalent of like if celebrity number six was on a season of big brother and people were able to scout out like oh actually when we brought up this mystery for the umpteenth time it turns out that this person is in the public sphere in a very different way yeah exactly it took sierra being on survivor was that in jeff's notes i needed to know he's like we're gonna bring the information model for spirit it was here all along oh my goodness uh i i forgot to bring this up last week i know we're running a little bit long on time but have either one of you uh checked out the jeff probst response to a survivor song yet mike the answer is going to be no okay let me see if i can find this then uh okay is this

what he wrote or whatever yes so let's let's go into this a little bit so now there is a man by the name of oliver richmond i believe uh who made it sort of like his own viral habit to write a song every day of the year. And one of them, Tim's thinking about how do they wear glasses on Survivor? Because obviously with all of the elements around you, it's a very tough thing to accomplish. Since we're on the topic of Jeff Probst, I figured I would put it in here.

So let me see if I can share my screen again here. So this is posted on the official Survivor Instagram as well. So let me see if I can include the sound. Okay. Can you hear this? Can you hear that? Yep. All right. So let's reload this.

Classes on Survivor. I just want to know, is it a special kind of thing? This is Oliver Richman. Is it possible to break in the middle of a challenge? Because I know I'm willing to save what do you do when you've dreamed your whole life of torches and challenges

thrill in the strife what do you do when you've dreamed of alliances and playing your part the game is your calling. You can feel it. It's carved in your heart. Carved in your heart? What do you do when the jungle feels so near and you've practiced your puzzles year after year? You've imagined the votes and the idols you'd find outwit and outlast it's your moment to shine

on survivor but what do you do when you wear glasses when the rain streaks the lenses and the mud harasses. Harasses? When the puzzles are blur and the clues out of sight. You're squinting in the jungle in the dead of the night. Yes, what do you do when you wear glasses? What do you do when you wear glasses? On Survivor.

What do you do when you picture your tribe? The bonds you may build, the secrets you'll hide. You've seen it so clear in your Survivor dreams. The fire dances, your victory gleams. The question is, can you outlast on Survivor? Because what do you do when you wear glasses?

Is he going to answer the question? When the rain streaks the lenses and the mud harasses. When the puzzles are blur and the clues out of sight you're squinting in the jungle in the dead of the night is what do you do when you wear glasses what do you do when you wear glasses on survivor On Survivor. Don't let it stop you. It's still going.

Don't you let it win. You see, Survivor's for all. Just bring your frames in. The fire still burns. Your dream's still alive. I'll win, I'll play. You can thrive and survive. So what do you do when you wear glasses? What do you do when you wear glasses?

You show up. You play. And you beat the masses. Don't let a little fog keep you from the fight. There's a place in the jungle. Your flame's still burning bright. We're just waiting on you to apply. So what do you do if you wear glasses?

Call to action. You chase your dream through. The jungle's still waiting. The jungle's still waiting and it's calling for you. Apply. To be on Survivor. And we'll figure out the glasses. Mike mike that was three minutes of my life i hate that you made me listen to that oh my god i love that so much it came across my tiktok for you page and i was like i listened to the first

maybe 10 seconds absolutely not i mean the man is playing piano and wrote this song i don't know did he like script see you behind the scenes slip some money under the table be like can you write me a three minute song three minutes mike yes i think i think my my favorite of the many great lyrics has to be about what you do on Survivor when you wear glasses when the mud harasses which like I know that Jeff loves mud on Survivor to bird you into the game but now I don't like this implication that they're also

harassing the contestants with the mud I mean he didn't even answer the question he didn't even answer the question he's like we'll figure it out we'll figure it out it was three minutes across that bridge when we get to it apply to be a survivor marketing it's gotten so insidious oh

all right that's enough that's enough i mean i think uh games and frames that rhyming structure chef no say magnum all right well maury let's take the spotlight perhaps away from jeff's song I think games and frames, that rhyming structure, chef's kiss. All right. Well, Mari, let's take the spotlight perhaps away from Jeff's songwriting skills and have you spin a verse for us about charity. Is there a highlight of a cause that you want the listeners to know about? A different song to sing about how to help those in need? Yes. You know, Giving Tuesday is over, but you could always give, you know, 364 days a year, whatever. Uh, so, uh, this time I have picked Black Girl Smile.

Uh, Black Girl Smile is a nonprofit organization that empowers the mental wellbeing of Black William, Black women, Black women and girls. Okay. Um, It's very important these days, this day and age, let's support Black women and Black girls and their mental health and wellbeing because we need it. Oh yeah, that'll be my training this week. Amazing. Well, Mari, thank you so much for coming on.

Got to experience the high highs of talking about this fantastic episode yes some would say um maybe the not so high highs about listening to a three-minute song of jeff brooks answering about what do you do when you wear glasses on survivor but regardless we were so happy to have you here now you were always busy in the podcast sphere what would you like to plug to the listeners out there i know i gotta plot your demise like a podcast get in line i gotta do something to get you back for that three minutes um that's the problem though it's like to me that was the opposite of a punishment like that's what i that's my equivalent of an ice cream dinner

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So go check us out over there. And then other than that, I've been popping in and out with the aforementioned Asia and Jason over at the Married at First Sight podcast. We've been having a lot of fun. You know, I was, I was tapped in, you know, you know, Asia, she said, and she's like making her move. So I've been helping out. I've been helping out with, uh, with, uh, Meredith at first sight. And it's just been so fun. Um, so just go to love at first sight feed Rob has a website.com slash love at first sight in order to subscribe to their feed, to listen to Meredith at first sight. And of course you can find me on blue sky. I'm no

longer on Twitter. I said, yoink to that uh i am no longer there so uh at mari talks too much on blue sky all right fantastic liana what do you have going on we and i are continuing to cover the mass singer so we just covered the quarterfinals which was really really fun it was a fun podcast just some disagreements but we came together at the end and uh then also drag race the reveal happened for season 17 so we are gearing back up for drag race us at least seasons so uh current plan we will be back the premiere is i believe january 3rd for season 17 of drag race you heard it here first liana says america first when it comes to drag race oh i'm so sorry putting words in your mouth i'm just saying drag race is constantly on right like you've got so

many different countries plus global all-stars and versus the worlds and all of that fun stuff so we're keeping it a little bit simple we're staying with the uh og drag race for yeah so uh versus the world might be a concept that carries over to survivor in 2025 but we're here in 2024 and we'll have more fantastic survivor to talk about of course check out my interview with caroline i had so much fun getting to talk with her i think as we expected she brings a lot of great analysis to the table as to her own position both in digesting that big blind side as well as why she made the moves that she did and of course answering the important questions as to why sue's face is so dirty uh i will also tease a little bit of a in line with

mari if you are looking for some wicked coverage here on the RHAP network, hold some space, watch this space because there might be some stuff cutting coming sooner rather than later. In addition to all the other scripted stuff that I get to do next week, whether it's two boots or one, we will officially kick off the finale two week event. Only six people left.

I mean, I think I'm certainly in line with what Mari and Liana are saying in that I would imagine as fun and exciting as Operation Italy was, we still might default back to some combination of Sam and Genevieve being the next two boots. But that doesn't mean we can't live in the moment and truly embrace this fantastic Italian meal

that we devour without necessarily needing to worry about the calories and, you know, truly embrace this fantastic Italian meal that we devour without necessarily needing to worry about the calories and carbs afterwards. But regardless, whatever's going to happen in these two hours, we're going to have a very fun guest joining us next week. Omar Zahir will be stopping and I imagine we'll have plenty of animals to discuss. We also might have a secret guest coming in too, but I won't promise anything just yet in case things fall through at the last second.

But Omer is definitely guaranteed to be on next weekend and we hope you all will join us. Thank you so much for listening. I know it's only two weeks left, but hey, if you have any random game ideas that you want us to incorporate into the B&B, you can always email us rhapbnb at gmail.com or use hashtag RHAPBNB on on social media special thanks to the entire team

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what do you do when you've dreamed of alliances of playing your part the game is your calling you can feel it it's carved in your heart What do you do when the jungle feels so near And you've practiced your puzzles Year after year You've imagined the votes and the idols you'd find Outwit and outlast It's your moment to shine On Survivor.

But what do you do when you wear glasses? When the rain streaks the lenses and the mud harasses? When the puzzles are blur and the clues out of sight, you're squinting in the jungle in the dead of the night Yes, what do you do when you wear glasses?

What do you do when you wear glasses on Survivor?