RHAP: We Know Survivor - Maryanne Oketch Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 5

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Today, in Rob's absence Shannon Gus welcomes Survivor 42 winner, Maryanne Oketch onto the post-game show for episode 5 of Survivor 47!

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and the wonderful winner of Survivor 42, my very best friend and soulmate, Marianne O'Keefe. Marianne, thank you for being here. Oh, thank you for having me. It feels like you have a better excuse about not being in New York, you know? My excuse is that like, oh, I can't miss school.

Like I should have skipped school to go, but I wouldn't be here with you. So actually I think I made the best decision for both of us. You didn't, you definitely didn't. I think I did. I'm having a good time, but you should be in New York. No, I'm so happy to be here with you. I'm very excited to talk about this episode with you.

We're going to have such a great time and the New Yorkers won't even know what they're missing. Yeah, good. This is where the party's at. So I should have said almost Dr. Marianne O'Kesh just years to go right no I think I did the math I'm around like five percent of a doctor at this point so not almost like not even barely like minusculely you can work on like a pinky finger is that how that works just build up the body I can't but I can take a history so i can like i can take a history if you ask me what your complaint is i can do that but everything else

useless well let's do that after the podcast because i've got a little bit well let's follow the episode marianne how's the feeling the pre-merge is done huge blindside for anika the reaction was felt it was palpable how are you feeling about it? Oh, overall episode, I think it was a fun episode. I had a good time. It was good Survivor. I had fun, smile on my face. And I feel as if with Anika, we really just saw what every player feels like when they get voted out. But we saw it externally.

Because that's how every player feels. Their dreams are crushed. You're blindsided you're shell-shocked and don't know what to do like I'm so sad because that emotion was so so raw but I genuinely think it was a very good episode what about you Shannon yeah I feel like

in the edit it was pretty clear to me that Andy would stay like was so invested in his story he gave the opportunity to articulate and narrate all of his like moves and strategic thoughts and Annika did feel like she had a bit of a pre-emerge edit so in the edit I felt like it was clear in saying that I was still like compelled like I was still tense watching it but if you think about it in actuality on the beach what has happened in this pre-merge first Andy's you know

resurrection basically yes which was like rock bottom to make it through two tribal councils and a tribe flip where he's in a good spot in actuality on the island editor side is insane and that really like lends weight to the blind side and like in this pre-merge both tribes that went to tribal council had a full-on tribe flip which is yeah i went to two tribal councils so the two that had an opportunity to flip the tribe did um and i think you know this was fun and the chickens are funny and all the dynamics so i think this was a pretty fun pre-merge yeah i think it was a good pre-merge i think it was great i think that the pre-merge really showed that timing in the new era when you have shorter cycles that when you're able to find your footing you still can go and not be dead in the water, you know?

Because if they went to tribal on day five, like the second tribal, and he would have probably been dead in the water because he had that time to go make those bonds, get in with Sierra and Sam. He really is in a, I actually think that he's actually going into merge in a better position than Sam and Sierra.

So look how the turntables. I mean, yeah, their names are out there. Yes. He kind of has no threat level on him based on the way people see him. He has a connection with Teenie and Caroline possibly with the amulet connection and has his own allies on Godda. He's in a good spot, but how do we look at this from Sam and Sierra's perspective?

They're like the key makers. They're making the decision. And this reminded me so much of Maria and Charlie in the final episode of last season which they had just seen before they went out two swing votes this man and woman who are between gendered alliances where the interests are slightly different they have actually very different especially in the case they have different bonds and I think here it was even clearer like in 46 I feel like Charlie was maybe like more in with the women and they kind of had bonds across the aisle and it wasn't like a clear pair like this like the the structure of the tribe seems really cemented from our point of view and they

have these differing intentions where Sierra is close with the women and Sam where Sam is you know a believable name for the woman because he's on the bottom and barely in with them for women pitching a women's alliance with the broader group at the social hour. So their interests are so diverged. How do you look at the decision that they came up with here? Oh, my goodness. So I'm going to chat a little bit less about Sam, because I do think this was the best decision for Sam.

I want to speak more about Sierra and her decision. And I actually feel as if the decision that was made was best if she wants Sam to be her number one. Because I do think that going into Merge, Annika has a higher chance of throwing Sam under the bus than a jilted Rachel. Especially since it's like a lot of times, if you were just blindsided, yeah, there's a chance that maybe people will go and work with you, but we've also seen, at least we have hindsight from 46, that there's a chance that if you're recently blindsided, you can be the sacrificial lamb. That's what happened, moved to Mariah

in 46. So I really do think that Ciara now is coming in, Andy's going to work with her, Sam's going to work with her, they're a strong three, and then also they're going to have a better way in that merge as a strong three, rather than if Andy was voted out, Anika now is a little bit more leveraged because like, if you use that,

Oh, Sam and Sierra together, Anika goes and flips. I really do think that Sam would be more danger in the next vote. If he was assuming if it's the same as before, if he was not safe, then how he is now. Yeah. Sam would be screwed if they had voted out Andy. Like, I feel like Sam in like the working relationship with Ciara, where the most important thing is they stick together.

It was the same with Charlie and Maria. Like, they want to be in a group. They have to make each other happy. They have to come to a conclusion where one will make a sacrifice in a working relationship. And two things I think give Sam the leverage. The first being, he's in a really bad spot if Andy goes like he's in a good spot now even though his name is out there but he's in yeah a position where if they

go back to tribal council which is highly unlikely highly likely they would merge they still have to challenge but if they do like he's straight up gone has no idol yeah and he also like I think yeah for the merge would be completely cut by Annika and Rachel who again are already talking about Rachel is, you know, a women's alliance in the social hours. So he's in a really bad spot and Sierra has to consider parts of that. The other part of leverage I think he has is like, he has the idol and he's not going to like really threaten or give an

ultimatum to, I can just play the idol because that would sever that relationship and keeping Andy isn't worth severing the relationship but he does bring a little bit more to the discussion when he's talking about it because he has that power where he could just save Andy he wouldn't no one would take it that far that extreme to go against Sierra's wishes but well maybe let's not go by principles of what Ro would do but I think he has that kind of thing. Whereas Ciara, you know, she's in a good spot now. Like she did lose one, possibly two allies. Rachel might be out the door,

but she's kept it good with her number one in Sam. And he does want to work with her. So I think that to Ciara's credit, because everyone in the tribe wanted to work with her. She goes from like a great spot to a good spot. And Sam would have gone from like a good spot, which he is in now, where they didn't go with what he wanted. He's like a great spot to a good spot exactly Sam would have gone from like a good spot which he is in now if they didn't go with what he wanted he's in a bad spot and I think that is the difference yep I agree with you and I also think that Rachel being a fan of the game

if Sierra goes back to camp and is like hey I want to work with you I just didn't want to work with Annika you and I are still a good thing we can still have that girl thing I still think that Rachel like that olive branch is there because it's like you know these people you like these people and are you gonna go jump ship to be maybe in the bottom of an alliance that you don't know about when you have someone who on your tribe that is still willing to work with you it just feels like a little like it doesn't it feels a little spiteful and not that strategic it's like if sierra then extend that olive branch to just ditch her because it's like no you voted me out and I don't think that Rachel is that type of player who doesn't go and you and

who who would go and burn that strategy just for the sake of of feelings jilted yeah yeah Rachel's a smart player and she wouldn't do it for on emotionality we feel like Sue's doing that as an example like when because Kyle put her name down but I do think Rachel will go where the going is good. Yes. Cause she's a smart player. So it's like, yes, she will make good with Sierra if it serves her, but that could, you know, that could not. And we see that she has other relationships

at the social hour, which could be more prominent pretty quickly. So yeah, I think that, you know, it's a tough one for Sierra or Sam because whoever loses will be very reliant on the other person. Like if Sam had lost Andy, he would have been completely be very reliant on the other person. Like if Sam had lost Andy, he would have been completely 100% reliant on Sierra with nothing else.

And now that Sierra has lost Annika again, like she might be able to connect with Rachel, but I think that's up in the air. She doesn't super trust Andy. So while I say it was a great to a good position, maybe great to like a moderate position because yeah, that power flip of who controls that dynamic is now really really clear and Sam got the win on that and I don't like fault Sierra for having

to go yeah because I think they have to make a decision together where one of them's gonna lose out but she was the one who lost out and that is a loss compared to Sam getting a major win here exactly I think it's a loss but I also think that knowing what we saw in the sanctuary, how Caroline is so keen on getting a girls thing going on, it's a loss, but I feel as if like, it's not like she's like dead in the water. Like I feel as if,

if people were going into this merge and then everyone's like, we have to break up Sierra and Sam, I still think they're going to go for Sam first rather than Sierra. I think Sierra still has enough protections that she's still in a decent spot where it's not like she's completely out dead in the water. Yeah. I would definitely say, you know, she's got, again,

like she's in an okay spot, but it could have been even better, but they have to compromise. You know, that's what all relationships are about. I'd love to talk about Andy going to the women and saying, I'm on the bottom, I need a name. And who throws out Sam's name? Ciara does. This was my biggest criticism of Ciara in this episode.

Like, what are you doing throwing out Sam's name? You know, like, there's no threat of shot in the dark because you know Andy has a name. It's Annika. And he might not even need the name. You're not even worried about of shot in the dark because you know andy has a name it's annika and he might not even need the name be like you're not even like worried about a shot in the dark he might not even be the vote so like let rachel and annika deal with this issue um i thought from from all of them how did you think this was played where they give they give um sam's name so that he doesn't play shot in the dark um thing and I'm just going to say it

some people might feel that there's pushback but I feel as if Andy was given too much credit for I'm letting these women go and give strategy if you're playing Survivor you're always going to give your target another name just to make sure that they feel comfortable like that's just basic

Survivor 101 if you're trying to go and vote someone out you give you're not going to sit down and be like i don't know best of all you're going to give them a name and so and it makes sense that sam is the most realistic name because you know it feels like the girls are there so you're going to go through because he's on the bottom he's the realistic game that's why he needs to flip yeah so i think so i think so for andy i think a plus is that he exactly read what his situation was and i think that he played being on the pursued bottom so perfectly the please just just give me a move just give me a move i think that was great i want to talk about what he said in tribal when jeff said the we to the me which was a lot i know so much we so much we i'm just happy that you and i are a bathroom

joke about the we and the we on twitter i need people to go like that joke because it was uncomfortable for me to make it and i feel like i need people to like it to validate the choice well i think that andy so many flowers goes to andy to be like well this vote for me is that i'm trying to be a part of the we and the people who I talked about, like it was the perfect thing to send to the girls to be like, yes, I'm voting for Sam. I want to be a part of your we like he played being on the pursuit. Like that is perfect. He played it so well. He wasn't paranoid. He did everything he needed to do. And I think that when you know your name is out there and even if you know people are working on your side, it is still nerve wracking to be able to play that so effortlessly and he did it so well

and I think that he deserves flowers like he deserves flowers for that acting we don't give flowers on this podcast but we will give chizzy points so you can honor him there if you want to but I'm going to say something radical and someone who's played and won the game and I'm just on my couch being yeah you know I don't know anything so you know stuff you know we're always going to give someone a name two episodes in a row like you know people don't like the name the decoy to the decoy I mean you do have to give like to someone like Rome yeah you're pretending to work with him and but like here so here the thread is but firstly I don't think you should be the one to suggest a name you know the way Kishan did that yeah I don't think Sierra should be the one to suggest a name. You know, the way Keyshawn did that. I don't think Ciara, like it didn't come back to bite her,

but I don't get why. But even for like Annika and Rachel, the threat is that Andy might play his shot in the dark and you're going to give a name. You need Sam's vote. Annika doesn't have a vote. So you need that as a third. Also knowing that he has an idol,

like Sam has all the power and you just throw out his name because it is always believable because he is on the bottom. It's not what burned them. It's not why Ann Annika goes home but I just want to be radical to say maybe you're like I don't know Andy and you're like clearly vague and maybe he does play Sean the Dark and then 84% chance it hits and then even if it hits does Sam then have to play his idol and if he doesn't play his idol they think Sierra maybe votes out Sam anyway like it feels like the odds that it'll bite you are small and it would be so unfortunate. It would be such an unfortunate way to go,

but I'm just really seeing people get burned on putting out names and they put out the name of the person who held so many cards in this tribal castle. And again, it wasn't the reason that Annika went home, but putting out that name is probably indicative of the relationship gaps that made this necessary for Sam. So is there anything there or like, is that, you know, too scary? Hmm. I like where you're going with this.

I do. Because that's what you should say. You should keep it vague. I like where you're going. I'm going to tell you why I like where you're going with this. Because let's say that you are trying to have a united front. You feel as if a merger or swap is coming. To have a united front,

there can't be names being thrown left and right. You just need to vote unanimously and you need to let the person, and that's why I think Andy played it well because you need to let the person who's on the bottom put that name out. What I'm thinking of right now was when I was going to tribal

and I knew Mariah was throwing my name out and we were all thinking Mariah in that sense. It's like no one like it's like Jonathan or Lindsay didn't say my name. It was Mariah who already had that name out. They're like, OK, sure, we'll go with it. And then I lost Andy. Exactly. Exactly. And I also knew, OK, my name is out there. And I'm like, well, do I want to play aggressively for the shot in the dark? But there's that focus unity where it's like okay we're going to be a united front so I'm not going to play protectively right so for me I think that let's say with the girls saying we're going to go with Sam but the girls are talking to Sam and be like hey we're saying your name because it's realistic but we're obviously going for Andy and then and then I don't think you could say we're

saying your name because it's realistic though because I think he'd be like yes it is that's my problem yeah but I feel so close to merge the thought isn't that the thought isn't like oh we're saying your name because you're on the bottom the thought is that we're going in united and when we go in a swap we're united and we're not going to break up with each other so if we have to catabolize yourself ourselves that's a problem but because we feel that a merge is so close it's not a problem it's like if you're in a strong alliance of four like for example like if you're in a strong alliance of four and you feel like a swap is coming and you know you're

number four it doesn't matter when you swap because you guys are all four together you're're not going to go and vote that four out. It's only if you have to vote each other out. It's like it's like the Black Widow Brigade. It's not like they would they only turn to each other when they had to turn on each other. Right. So I don't think it's actually bad. I think it would have been bad if Sam's name was actually written down by someone other than Andy. But I think when a merge is so close, throwing out someone's name, if you're thinking it's a united front, I think, and you give them that heads up,

I think isn't that bad of a decision. If it was maybe one or two tribals ago, I think that's not as good because there's still game to be played. There's still tribals to be made in that group format, but they can smell a merge. And so I'm actually gonna go and like respectfully i see where you're coming from and i think that in some situations it's bad

but i think that it's okay in in this situation it was okay for me yeah they can smell emerge based on the fact that the new era is structured you know so similarly every season so they can they can tell in that lack of predictability that that is coming but I think like Genevieve doesn't even like being the decoy of the decoy last week you know people hate hearing their name and yeah I think I just it's the interesting part is like they might have seen some threat to them but yeah idol aside and maybe they think Andy hitting a shot in the dark triggers Sam to play the idol himself and I don't know if they know that it's a one tribal idol but actually Andy hitting a shot in the dark they would think might be of most concern to sam yes could be voted out at a zero zero revote so you'd have

to go to him to be like hey we have to tell him your name to save you so he doesn't play his shot in the dark but then you can't say to save you because it's like you're the person we would get rid of like you're expendable to us so i think that like the clarity of those dynamics is a bit of the issue and then they out that. And that's what's interesting to me is during the first tribal council with John, they do give John a name, but they don't go out of their way to like split a vote on Andy in case, you know, Andy and John are working together.

Or Andy's going to try and throw a vote in case John plays a shot in the dark and it hits. So I think that they were worried, but they didn't seem that worried. Whereas like they invested so much into it in this episode and i feel like kind of gave sam like even more cause to turn even though that wasn't the reason how do you look at it like in terms of you know andy or sam like when we get to the chisley it might be an interesting conversation like yeah who's the big winner tonight you know who's getting your oh catch of the day is that we'll get to it but that's a sean bryan You know, who's getting your catch of the day? We'll get to it. Oh, we'll get to the catch of the day.

That's a Sean Bryan special. Who's like the major player here between the two of them? You see, for me, Sam was never going home at this tribal, you know? So, like, it was more like Sam choosing being in the power position that, you know, Annika and Rachel didn't know about. So Sam was never going home. So really for me was like, is Andy going to play it perfectly? Because I'm telling you, if Andy went into that track, like after they lost and like, was like, I don't know what to do.

Oh my goodness is so bad. Let's freak out and freaked out. They would, there was a very high chance that Andy would have gone home. He still was on that hot seat. And I really do think that since Sam has been in that center episode, epicenter of the tribe, but I do think that Andy really has, he has an alliance that is solidified now. And that's what he needed. Yeah, I think it's very mutual.

Like they both benefit. It doesn't feel like either one is really pulling the other over. Like it's so kind of even in that way. And I feel like Sam, you know, he was in the position to really build into a good spot made like, you know, a good choice isn't as good a spot as he can be. And so was Andy, but I just feel like, you know, Sam's really been building that and doing well with it. And I probably, you know, credit him as the big winner tonight, but yeah, you know,

I have to credit Andy where, again, from that mat, which was like, again, rock bottom, I can't fault anything other than the fact that he falls off boats and uses the wrong side of the spear, which is unimportant to me. Even the way that Andy talks about it in confessional, he's like, I'm not good at challenges. I can vibe with that. I'm like, yeah, neither. But I like how you're working. I wouldn't be. I like how you're working it strategically. And I don't think he's put a foot wrong strategically. I think he's been subtle. I think he's been intentional. I think he's been deliberate building on it the whole time. I think Sam got Sierra across more than Andy did. And I think that's probably why I'd credit Sam like

kind of most in that way. But the work that Andy and Sam have done together, like, I think he's been pretty exceptional. And I think that think that you know this is the redemption arc and and like Sandy's rise because I'm excited about it for him yeah I think it's great like I think I'm excited to see what Sam does especially with different people but I'm proud of Andy does that make sense yeah I'm really proud of Andy I don't know what it is like the sense of like you know pride for Andy who's someone I barely know but and yeah i was saying as we close off from what is it i'm so about gotta tribe yeah i do want to go and i do want to bully gotta tribe just a little bit okay if you are going to an immunity challenge you always start a fire like that's just the like

it's it should be a no-brainer when they said this is the only day we didn't start a fire i'm like what are you thinking and before every, we always started a fire, then we put a big log on it. So they were embers. So if we lost our Flint, we would still have fire. So I am baffled about why they did not start a fire on that day when there was a challenge. Like I I'm genuinely like baffled. That's the one thing where I'm like, guys, look, and they knew they were going to negotiate for eggs as well, too. So that makes it even more baffling to me if you knew you were going to negotiate for eggs why wouldn't you make sure you can cook your eggs yeah well there's a lot of questions jenny tweeted this they counted that jenny autumn tweeted they counted their

chickens they counted their chickens they really did and i think you know look the breadwinners have been crushing it so i would also be like yeah we'll just make the fire after we come back and win. Didn't account for some of the Andy factor. Yes. But I want to talk a little bit about the chickens because this was this was so funny. And like, I'm so happy for the chickens, honestly. Like, I'm always rooting for the chickens. Yeah, I'm glad that they did. And I tweeted this like weaponizing confidence from the chickens to earn their freedom by never laying eggs.

Like what an incredible, incredible job by the chickens to do nothing, which is good. Be like, no, I'm not serving you. And now they've been returned to Jeff. I think that is wonderful. I and I'm a little biased here. OK, being someone who has previously caught and killed and prepared a chicken. Yeah, I know. You didn't know this about me, Shannon, until now. I think that in what context do I want to know that? Or like when I know. So when I was like when I'm in Kenya, right?

And like the like in the village where like my parents were like raised and my dad was from, they have wild chickens. And when you go and someone and we visit, they'll go and they'll catch a chicken and kill it. Like that's food. And when you're going going to emerge you have to eat the food so i'm actually baffled they're like why wouldn't you eat the food that's protein and energy that could feed you next they're talking about like that like that could have been the energy that pushed them i was and i was talking with omar about this i'm like if we had chickens because Omar was like I wouldn't kill the chickens and I was gonna be like Omar as soon as he went no and I was like as soon as you went on a walk Omar Jonathan and I would have killed that chicken and Lindsay's a dietician so she

would be like you would come back from your walk and the chicken would be dead and it would be boiling on that pot okay like I I would have really really traumatized oh my i'm really glad you guys didn't win chickens no i i even said in casting i'm like don't put me on a tribe with people who care about the chickens because the chicken's gonna die with or without them and the great thing john's gonna get on my side that protein like you're gonna save the heads that are gonna be killed anyways you're You're just being killed behind your back. This is the most eating chickens on Chicago. Wait, you don't think they got killed by Jeff?

They got killed by someone. No, they were not released. No, they earned their freedom. No, this is the most ethical way to eat meat. You are killing your own food and processing them? I am team kill the chickens, okay? And I don't know how Sam has more peace than me because they would have been no way,

no way on that tribe. If I am on that tribe that the chickens, I would kill it in the night. I would kill it in the night and be like, oh my gosh, it died in the night. Peacefully. Let's go and kill those chickens.

I get so heated about it because these chickens should have died. They should have died. Oh my God. You would have, you would have killed it. Oh my God. They died peacefully in the night. They aren't cut up with their, like, you know, completely slaughtered.

You just twist. Oh, my God. Are you joking? Are we getting to the point where you're, like, demonstrating how to kill the chickens? I feel like I've already witnessed you watching, eating, what, alligator? Yes. Emu.

Emu. Kangaroo. You ate kangaroo. Yeah. Koalas, did you eat them? I did not eat it because I think it's a protected species. Yeah, it's protected from you. I think that's just what you're concerned.

So look, the chickens did so much work to earn their freedom. They didn't lay many eggs. They pecked Sierra in the mud. She's listening to the challenge instructions. They were ready to go. And I really, really hope that they are free and alive because they earned it. And I'm going to live in that world because it makes me feel better. And now I'm feeling a little queasy based on the fact that you demonstrated what you

would do to kill a chicken. And no one asked that, right? That was like completely unasked. So I think that's where we're at with it. Don't you think that Jeff got hosed in that negotiation? I feel like Angelina came back a little bit because 18 eggs is a lot. They probably should have got like 12.

Like, the chickens have laid one usable egg in days. 18 is too many for the days that are in the new era. They gave... Jeff was very nice negotiating, you know? I feel safe with that knife, you know, the rice knife

in the one that you might use to kill a chicken well you'd use a machete if you're doing it that way it's just less humane you know but the point being that jeff is now more chill because he got to stab the rice and do the negotiation with 46 he found out oh actually a thought came to my mind he found out that he needs to be more willing to negotiate with the players. Because remember, in 46, they never got Rice because he was very strong with his negotiations. And now they're coming and they're like, please, Jeff, let's negotiate. And Jeff's feeling bad because he almost killed the 46ers with no Rice, right? Those people lost so much weight.

And so now they're like, oh, you want 24 eggs? Let's meet in the middle and do 18. I think he felt a little bad for 46 and this was his apology to the 46ers. Yeah, he's like, how many cars can I allow to starve in one calendar year?

I think he got hosed. They started really, really high on 24. They did. And then they were like, oh, 18 is fine. And then they were like celebrating. They only lost six

because the thing with strategy when you negotiate with Jeff you always start on reasonably high and then because I'm guessing I'm guessing they wanted like 15 eggs or something right and then of course you're always going to fight and then when Jeff gives you a number so when Jeff gives a second number

you say no to that so they really did great negotiation I bet you in their mind they were fist pumping audibly in confession if i was just watching that back i'd be like seething he got hosed he really got misted by the by gada yeah yeah yeah and you know so they won she won that was five people 18 divided by five that's like 3 and a third of an egg per person 3 eggs is a

full meal that's a full meal and that's now sad because they didn't even get to cook them and now it's merged and they don't have fire so now everybody gets those 18 eggs because once you bring something to merge oh I would be so annoyed

yeah and now it's not a lot of eggs based on all the people that are going to eat it so the only real winners were the chickens who are alive and free and happy and like justice for the chickens really happy i feel like they it's because they didn't know the seer award was canceled they were like we cannot kill these chickens we will never get any five days or three days after this in real time so while they're on the island, Survivor announced the Sea Year Award was canceled. But the lack of knowing saved those chickens and they are alive today. So I'm really happy about it. So it's a new year.

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People were upset because it wasn't a swap. To the people who wanted a swap, I want to say, like, set your expectations of what things are going to be. I'd seen the press images of, like, both challenges. So I was, I didn't have my expectations high. And I also, even though they have swapped in, like, 45, I just really didn't feel it was going that way um so I I like this but I feel like my bar was lower because I never you know I never got disappointed that it wasn't a swap because I never even expected that of them what did you think of it you know what I was excited because I was like wait are we actually gonna like instead of merging now at 13 and then doing the earn the merge then the split tribal are we gonna then swap at 14 and do two more tribals then do merge i was excited that would be good yeah i think that would have been i think it would have been really good

really fun but i think that the way that the swap like the challenge was where it's like you guys get the advantage of making alliances when the other people need to go at home do nothing and don't get that bonding I think that was so smart because it has that element of chance that's in the game that it's like or if you're not the one winning do you have someone on the other side that is going to go and vouch for you and then number two it's like is what you're saying when you're on that is what you're saying when you're on that winning party, a positive and helping your game. Because for example, we saw for teeny teeny played it perfectly guys. I'm on the bottom. I think this is my last meal. Everyone's like, I'm so sorry, teeny let's work with you. Then you have Tiana being like, Oh yeah, I'm just gonna gabe is like going and did the idol goes back to her and now gabe but tiana is public enemy number one so i think

that it was really really interesting i love the concept i just would have liked to swap better but it's still i think it was a very good plan uh twist i think for me i would make two changes i've always wanted them to swap up reward and like in Australian Survivor they did something that was like they split the tribes in two so it was four teams competing and then the top two teams would win so it could have been this like you know shared reward and then that was kind of you know that didn't go well because one tribe like the two teams won from one tribe and then also Nina got injured and we really barely remember that that happened but I like the idea of like celebrating with people on the other tribe what I really like is the idea of competing against your own tribe mates the two notes that I

would give from a production standpoint one I would make it earlier um there's not that much time in these new era pre-merges and that's a bit of the issue but even if it's last episode you know close enough to the merge where it can like still people will be open, but enough time to kind of play out because this was just like murgatory, but like two days earlier, where people totally will win food and then all sit in like a half, you know, half tribe permutation and then talk about stuff. So it was just like kind of a precursor to that.

So I think earlier, and the other thing I would do is I would make them compete for letters, something really emotional that they will bond with these new people over that their people, tribe mates who they've beaten for it, who have lost it will really, really resent. So the emotion,

what I really like is competing against your own tribe mates. So make them compete for something they really care about. Wow. The tribals to play out. Yeah. Come back to tribal council where you shared a letter with someone you barely know and your ally got beaten by you and didn't get their letter. Like make them cry. All I'm going to say first is that you're going to go up in arms with me being

team chicken. When you just said, I want emotional warfare for these players. Like the chickens be happy i think that that's i think that everything you said is on the nose i think that would make it even more enticing because like they went back and they're like yeah it was just one hot dog and if anything it sucked the survivor social hour teeny said there were no condiments why were there no condiments like they made it particularly bad you can't even be that mad no you want to know why there were no condiments why were there no condiments like they made it particularly bad you can't even be that mad no you want to know why there were no condiments probably omar complained because he's afraid of condiments so they were probably like oh no oh that's afraid of condiments yeah

you hear it in first tier people he doesn't like condiments so that that's they were maybe thinking of omar for some reason and did no condiments didn't like condiments now five seasons later they still don't get condiments. Now, yeah. I don't know. It's like the rotisserie chicken, not to bring it back to chicken, but I think they're just like, they'll like whatever we give them, right? Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Yes, the rotisserie chicken award was not, like, it should have been, you know what it should have been, actually? If it was not lettuce from home, they should have done Applebee's. OK, because that's the same thing. Yeah, that's like imagine getting emotional. I want a level reaction to your tribe mate beating you for something important. Yeah, it's more important than a letter. But I was as a vegetarian. Kyle's reaction to one veggie hot dog too much.

No, there's never been good enough to warrant that No no no I will defend I will defend him When you're playing survivor And it's just any semblance Of food And especially when it's hot dogs And they don't mention explicitly that it's vegetarian

And then you see that single Vegetarian dog No I'll give it to him i'll defend him because i get how he was like it was still pretty sad though and also the barbecue that they grilled i didn't like how there wasn't enough char on the burger like i like a nice like on the hot dog i like a nice char like a charring and it just was not charred it felt a little bit it looked like a boiled one for me but that's just me being extremely picky it's fair it was a very bad restaurant experience there was no potato salad they had some drink they could have made it

amazing and they could have given letters or yeah something really really special an incredible experience remember people used to dab like they you know they've done the helicopter in 45 but like make people like make it so special and make people so angry that their tribe mates beat them and that would be my note but to talk about some of these other tribes you mentioned teeny yes um interesting from lavo there's a lot to get to here so for genevieve genevieve made this huge move last yes it was epic like incredibly done love that way and i was very very high on the move. And I said that like Genevieve was so insulated socially that she kind of

could have gone either way. To me it was like a 60-40 decision and I backed the choice, but I was like she has connections across the board. You know, even sticking with Tini and Keyshawn could go really well for her because she's still their number two. At worst those were her relationships. But now looking at how she comes back, I'm a little lower on the move. Still impressive as hell.

But I'm like two concerns for me. One, Genevieve always wanted to work with Teenie first. Firstly, amazing from Teenie who is a social legend. But if you wanted to work with Teenie, I probably wouldn't have broken that up as much. I might have just stayed then with Teenie and Keyshawn where the relationship now is really fractured. Teenie will always choose Keyshawn before Genevieve, but that sounds, feels like it's a problem in a very long time. So if you wanted to stay with Teenie,

I might've just gone down the path of investing in Teenie. And the other issue is Rome, you know, like Genevieve thinks that she can control Rome and she can't. I didn't anticipate him throwing Genevieve under the bus and he did so I feel like we both misjudged that and I feel like she made the bed with Rome and now she's having to lie in it kind of reminds me of like Kirby and Kelly from from Australian Survivor that is tough you've made the choice to manage it you have to manage it and I don't know that she can so on the fact that she probably would have had to cut Rome and he's a following

issue and the fact that I don't know how much she's made up with Tini and Tini's her priority I now might have reversed a little bit where I feel like I still between a decision for me but I might have gone on the other pathway given all that information okay I see what you're saying and I agree that the move looking at Rome and the volatileness of Rome, I think that it also, you know, cooling a bit down on the move. But one thing which I think is important to note is that Rome threw Genevieve under the bus, but Rome was never targeting Genevieve. She threw him under the bus to be like, and this is why we need to get Teenie, because, look, this is me and you working together, but I'm still working with Genevieve. So it's not that Rome at any time in the future is planning on taking Genevieve out. When I do feel as in with that Keyshawn, Keyshawn, Teenie, Genevieve trio that's kind of there, if you took Rome out and then you had Saul that it just feels that Genevieve

doesn't have as many options as she does now yeah the choice was to be more social in the other way yeah have more agency and control in this way and have fun because we had fun we did yeah from a social perspective it's like I feel like she's having to rebound more and I don't know that she fully has with Tini. And we can talk about that. So she chose to kind of sit on her hands a little bit, be social, but know that she's going to have to build up to that agency through the game. Which I love when people take agency, but I also love when people are exceedingly social. And I feel like that was what she was kind of between.

Mm hmm. Like, you know what? I feel as if looking back now, the move was not as perfect as we all thought it was, but I still think that your moves that you make, especially in Primarch, because there's still so much game to be played, it's really about how you're able to manage

the repercussions of whatever move you make you know yes and i feel as if genevieve has really started to put the groundwork to recover for the repercussions so what we have is we have rome going and throwing her and throwing genevieve under the bus to sol but then we saw genevieve telling sol isn't rome crazy yeah he's really crazy teeny isn't rome crazy and now so you have Teenie still being like, yeah, I'm team Rome. You have then Saul still feeling with Genevieve being like, okay, this game is being played. Plus I found out from Rome that Teenie has this idol. So what I think is that let's say there's a hypothetical, they have to sacrifice oneself. I still don't think that it's going to be Genevieve who's going home in the four that are left.

No, not going home. Yeah. But the thing is, when you're in pre-merge, a lot of times you just need to have someone rooting. It's not even that you need to have someone rooting for you. You just need to have someone that's not against you when you go to merge you need to have someone who's willing to work with you because there's still a lot of things that you can do when you're there so I still think that it wasn't like now we've seen it wasn't the perfect be all that and all move but I don't think that it's like I don't think it flips to oh my gosh no I didn't have yeah yeah no I mean like

look Genevieve was in a great social spot Genevieve was never going to be out on this tribe and nor should she have to think about how to survive to emerge that was on lock from her social game yes how can you build that into something long term with like individual social options or a group which to really maximize the position that she put herself into and like again I'm not like oh it was definitely a bad move I just think about 60 40 last week on doing it yeah the scales be tipping you know like that a little bit because teeny is so much an option for Genevieve and and Genevieve I think rebounded well with soul it is easy to paint that road is crazy he'll give information and he will lie so like painting a lie he gives ammo and Genevieve used it yes has Genevieve rebounded with Teenie because we didn't say

everything we don't say everything obviously but Teenie goes on the journey that we see and never seems to vouch for Genevieve in any of the conversations that we see Teenie have talks about fully being on the bottom isn't like yeah I'm with Genevieve and really like she puts the whole tribe not just Rome or Roman soul um and then comes back and from what we see, tells them all kind of a lie about it. Does Teenie tell Genevieve the truth? How much is Genevieve actually in with Teenie? Is Teenie trying to make good with Genevieve just to make it through to the merge and once merge hits Teenie's out?

I think that is a possibility based on the words and actions we saw from Teenie tonight. Like, I don't think so. I think that if you're in teeny you just got blindsided the only move to do when you meet with new people is being like no one wants to work with me please pick me up because it gives you more options and then you can choose to go work with the people you want to work with versus if you don't want to go and work with the people you want to work with and so let's say that for example they go to merge and then after they're

like teeny we want to work with you. Let's vote one of your people out. I think that she's always going to go and she's going to choose like Rome or Saul over over like Genevieve. So that's because I think she's secretly going and protecting Genevieve. But I think that if you have the ability the ability to be like guys I'm on the bottom I'm next you take that opportunity you're not going to be like hey I'm really close with this person because it makes it feel it makes people feel like you're they're not able to

control you as much as if you were a free agent right but but true but if she came back and didn't tell Genevieve the true true story then that would point to like a real chasm in the relationship because you wouldn't even be like, yeah, I said I was on the bottom and I'll always protect you. Like that's our in. And we don't know. And when we didn't hear that. Exactly.

That's true. I'm a little concerned because Genevieve wants to work with Tini the most, like that difference in intention. When I thought Genevieve was like, maybe like Roman soul and then Tini little bit for me but it's a huge credit to Teenie like I'm a little lower in Genevieve I'm low on Sol who I thought was a higher priority to Genevieve than next out and I'm higher on Teenie who again like the social power that Genevieve wants Teenie the most is crazy to me like how do you feel like Teenini is doing and rebounding? Cause I think Tini's in a good spot going into the merge. No, I think Tini is in a great spot going to the merge. I don't

think that no one on, I don't think that anyone on what's the red tribes name. I'm black. Yeah. You never have to think about them again. I don't think Lavo is going to stick. Cause the problem is you are the most at risk. If someone on your tribe is willing to sacrifice you. And the only person who is willing to sacrifice Tini at this moment, like actively sacrifice, is Rome. And I don't think that Rome has a lot of social power to go and overthrow because Tini's in with the other people. So I think that Tini's in with like the other people so i think that teeny's in a great position i think that we've seen especially in this navigation of pretty much even from the beginning that teeny has had the social control of this tribe since day one remember when we made

that alliance of four teeny's the one to be like let's wait for asia right teeny and kishan and i think now it's showing by virtue of Teenie, it showed that it's, oh, it was because of Teenie. Teenie is the one that people want to work with. Teenie is the one who's in the core. When we're going and flipping and there's a chance that Teenie doesn't have a vote. We never thought about voting out Keyshawn. It was always, we never thought about voting out Teenie. It was always Keyshawn. I think that Teenie social game, people want to work with Teenie and that's going to help them for the whole game. Yeah. I think like Teenie's social game People want to work with Teenie And that's going to help them for the whole game Yeah, I think

Teenie's done stuff I've disagreed with But I can't disagree with any of the social power But yeah, even in this episode How does Sol not know about the amulet? The amulet that everyone In the whole game, except apparently Sol Knows about, which is completely Uncontrollable about who will disseminate

On other tribes Genevieve, obviously not realizing Genevieve was against Teenie and Kishana knows about which is completely uncontrollable about who will disseminate on other tribes yeah genevieve obviously not really realizing genevieve was against teeny and kishan at that point told rome who told soul like you have to get ahead of that information yes that is really damaging for no reason because it's not even that important information everyone has it it's worth nothing giving it is worth yes that i think was a, I think, was a bad move from Tini. Especially because we saw it with the Beware advantages on my season. By the time it hits Merge, everyone knew exactly who had the Beware.

Like, everyone knew. And if you didn't know, it was because you were like, and I love you, girl. But it was because you were a Tory and no one told you anything in the game. You know? The fact that you could say about one of your bridesmaids it's because you were a tori is like i love my girl tori okay but she was dead in the water at merge and no one told her anything that's because she was dead even at pre-merge you know so like chickens exactly no they're free and they're alive they're living their best lives i'm so happy for them okay shannon but like it's like if you're so if you're bringing saul into this merge and he

doesn't know about it and he learns from someone else no that was always going to be bad news like especially because it's like i don't think they're going into merge and seeing at least how rome was acting they were not going to go into merge with the intent of throwing saul under bus. That was never going to happen. So then why not tell him this information? He wasn't going to be like, that was, that was pretty. And everyone on your tribe, Saul knew, like it was a little silly. I don't think that Teenie would have realized that Rome knew, but I think Rome and Genevieve have worked together. I think Saul should have been told to begin with, like they're trying to work with Saul and Genevieve have worked together. Exactly. I think Sol should have been told to begin with, like they're trying to work with Sol.

Yes. And expecting that Sol will be there. Like even just for that, again, it's pretty worthless information. But at the point where you've been blindsided and Genevieve was working with Rome and Sol, you should tell them because that is not, like that information has been tainted and it was already incredibly fragile.

So I think that was a miss. But otherwise, I think Teenie is in a pretty good spot. Yeah, and Rome here. What do we think about how Rome... There's so much. I mean, Rome and Tini. The fact that it made me laugh how much was on Kishon. Like, Kishon, in their minds,

is there anyone more demonized than the person that you can blame everyone? Like, I'm free from the shackles of Kishon. He broke our crops. He ruined our society. Yeah, like, so Kishon gets thrown, like, so far under the bus. You can't even see Kishon. He's out

of the game. Yeah, and then Rome's done with Teenie doing everything, even like throwing Genevieve under that same bus. Hey, Kishon, under the bus. To get Teenie out. So how do we feel about, you know, Rome in this episode causing his usual brand of chaos? I think Rome in this episode,

first before talking about strategy, I want to point out, I know exactly how like Rome was feeling when he was crying after winning. This man lost three straight days in a row. It's day four and you barely won after a roadblock oh i was really happy that rome like got that win because it's really it really can be demoralizing having such a losing streak as for rome being volatile it was a two immunity challenges but yeah i guess

that's no because it was immunity challenge with asia then the next day was another immunity challenge then the next day he lost the like the reward challenge so he wasn't even any condiments he's fine yeah but like he likes to win so that's like so i get how he felt because he's like i want to win i want to win and then it's like lose lose lose and then he and so now speaking on rome we always expected him to be volatile because he is a volatile player, right? And the thing is that like with volatile players, you need to know that they will always be volatile unless you check in with them every single moment, every single hour, volatile players will be volatile.

I think that what Rome did was very good in controlling the chaos because what you want to do, Rome and Saul had been like fighting for the fast few days, you know, then Rome even would have to be like, Hey, I'm sorry for like babysitting you or whatever. Like didn't mean to hurt your feelings. He needs to extend an olive branch. If you want Saul to actually work with him to do his bidding. And so going and like being like teeny has this,

like Genevieve said this, these are all the things that's going on i want to work with you here is me giving me all the information about what the game is being said i think that that was the best thing for him to do the problem that he didn't do is he needed to be say something like hey don't tell genevieve that i told you this i think that was implied there's a subject don't tell genevieve i just threw her under the bus. Exactly. Exactly. Because it's like, you need to be like, hey, don't tell this person because it's like,

they're against you. And we need to go and take Teenie out if this happens. I think that what the problem was, which Genevieve was right, was that conversation should have only, the conversation about Teenie should have happened in that moment the conversation about throwing jennifer under the bus to take out teeny should have happened if they were going to tribal you know give it in little pieces if if you're trying to flip someone don't give don't give them information overload unless they're actively unless they're actively on the same plan as you yeah even then like i feel like, I feel like the Teenie stuff was good.

Like, that's, again, a miss from Teenie that Rome is capitalizing on. That's good. In terms of throwing Genevieve under the bus, like, firstly, thank you for saving me last night, and now I'm going to do that. But for what? Like, for what? Like, Genevieve is his lifeline in the game, and I feel like he's, like, Andy-style severing it

with the wrong side of the blade. Like for me, firstly, yeah, definitely not before an immunity challenge. It's a teeny information, but what he's trying to do is save soul over teeny,

you know, soul's been loyal on action. Soul hates Rome, you know, like soul's not loyal to Rome either. So at the end of the day, this is a discussion that he and Genevieve can hopefully have, but don't further bury yourself and don't cut off the relationship relationship with Genevieve he's misreading that Sol will go back

to Genevieve and I think he's not having the right priorities which is teeny out more than just stick with Genevieve at all costs and he kind of you know loses ground with her there and seems like would have been the next out had that happened which was a high possibility so I think that's the miss and if I was Genevieve I'd also be pretty resentful given everything I've put into Rome that he's now doing this and again like you can blame her for parts of that yeah I think the big problem at least for me was that with the information that Rome gave was that Rome was too close to Genevieve to be throwing him under the bus. Like I remember

the time, like, for example, when we went to Mergatory, I really wanted to go and work with Drea. I was like, I want to work with her. I want to work with Drea. And it was Omer who actually told me, hey, Drea has been saying some of these like sketchy things like about you. So don't trust her. Do not trust Drea. But the thing is, like is like Omar and I had a bond so when he said that I'm like okay this is true but Sol doesn't have that bond with Rome you know so now he's going to be like hey Genevieve what's up I hear you're saying this like what's going on so I think that like with that information Rome needed to cultivate more of a relationship with Sol to make sure that the information did not go back to Genevieve and I feel as if that would have been better done if he waited for tribal yeah well that's not the Rome way like

Rome doesn't like build up social capital to make a move like Rome is raw dogging strategy it's just the truth okay I love it yeah he's just like let's get to the good stuff you know let's let's convert and Saul's like I still hate you you know there's let's convert and it's always like i still hate you you know there's no relationship there's no it's like i don't want to i don't want to get to know you but i want you to do what i want you to do basically strategically so i'm sorry that i don't know why my jokes are going in this direction but let's talk a little bit about tuku not talking the flag behind you tuku. What do we think about Tiana? That bus is getting

really crowded underneath it because Gabe goes under the bus. Tiana, this is my biggest issue, Tiana does not know the dynamics of Tuku. Tiana was told in the vote that it's a women's alliance and Gabe, I guess, hopped onto it. Tiana says that

she feels best about the people at the survivor social hour she says that they didn't know that Gabe had an idol I think she believes it she says she's only sketched out by Gabe I don't think she knows that Sue and Gabe are close I don't think she knows these dynamics as we know it that Caroline has other options that Sue's option is literally Gabe I think she thinks she can say all these things she clearly thinks that and no one on TuKu will verify that's gay, which is wrong. And that lack of understanding of the entire tribe dynamics is very, very difficult to operate from.

And then he goes under the bus. So how are we feeling about Tiana here? Like, I just feel that if you're in a big tribe and you know you're going back to your original tribe you need to give as much of nothing as possible like you need to give nothing burgers go girl give them nothing literally go girl give them nothing like you can't be like unless like you feel like you're on the bottom which clearly tiana did not feel like you you can't be throwing people under the bus you just have to give nothing burgers like exactly like what they got at the social hour nothing exactly nothing burgers

nothing no condiments yeah nothing because it's like you never know if it's going to go back and also in addition you never know if people are willing to work with you because maybe let's say sue is the one who went back to Gabe right it could have been anyone it could have been teeny being the person to go back to Gabe right it could have been who else was there it could have been Rachel being the one to go back to Gabe it could have been any was Rachel there and I'm yes perfect I thought I was making like it could have been anyone to go back to those people the only person and the only way you throw someone under the bus is the way Gabler did, okay? He had

safety. He knew someone was going home. They couldn't, it could not go, it physically could not go back to him. And then that's when you throw. But the thing is, she's going back to her camp. It's like, it's not even merged yet. She might lose immunity. It can go back to her so many different ways.

Yeah, not even exactly exactly so i don't think i think that throwing someone under the bus that was way too early to be doing that and so any future players who may be listening to this always give nothing burgers nothing you give nothing potato salad i feel like for tiana like yeah she gabled but so much worse like i'm critical of gable even doing it like just yelling out the target publicly even though it's a winning move and for tiana yeah you've created a divide where maybe people will want to work with you over gabe but if that comes back to him which it easily could like even if they want to work with you and then they have

allies that are vulnerable and purgatory and tiana is also vulnerable and purgatory she doesn't mean that much to you. You just met her and you could go to Gabe and use that information. You might not even plan to do it, but you have it if it's convenient. Like purgatory is claustrophobic. People are always looking for an easy option. And you just gave a divide where you might be that option. And you don't know if Gabe will be safe.

And you still, you know, got to even get to all of this before, like, publicly doing that. Like, if you want to go to Teenie and Rachel and Caroline talking about, like, possibly this Women's Alliance and have secret conversations that, like, Gabe's been doing a little bit, that's how you can start laying the foundation. But I wouldn't be, like, yelling it out when you have no idea. I think that's very, very concerning. And also because, like, you know, I think you can give that Gabe, like, played the idol. Because, I think that's very, very concerning. And also because like, you know, I think you can give the Gabe like played the idol because like that's verifiable. You're going to get the vote left out. Like this is like some concrete stuff. I don't know if they,

but like you can feel like you're probably giving a lot without really giving that much. And then like secretly giving information, like also who's going to feel that good about Tiana. She didn't choose someone to tell. She didn't make a relationship. She roamed it a little bit. Like, you know, she didn't make a relationship to say, you're like a good option for me. Here's some information.

It was like, anyone can have it. Like, it's not because I feel special about you. So that was crazy that she did that. And I think that that is concerning. And then the apology. Can we talk about apologies on this season? And can we get some sort of class in there yeah like i just feel as this is why it just slowly went not well for tiana number one

you're sending it out in public and once you give information out to everyone that information is now not yours and it can be used for other people. Number two, you then go back to camp and then you have Caroline being like, hey, I think you should maybe apologize to Gabe because I think it's going to come out. That's survivor talk for someone is going to tell Gabe exactly what you did so you better fess up. Not I'm going to give a fake suggestion of what the truth was. I'm going to edit it and mold molded a little bit and then apologize, you know? So Tiana should be like, Hey, I kind of went crazy. I said, I said all these things about you. This is exactly how I said it. I really want to trust you. I don't

know what was going on. It must've been, it must've been because you were the only one at camp. I'm working with you. Like not the, I only said it to these three people because it was verifiable. It's verifiable information. And then also like number three, I just think that. Do you want to work with your tribe or do you not want to work with your tribe? Because it feels like there's this kind of mumbling of five strong, five strong. But then after Tiana's going out of left field and throwing people under the bus at the same time then being like no I do want to be five strong and then Carolyn is like trying to be like Omer trying to make them all work together all the little mother hens trying to

be strong because it's the best because it's the best for everyone I just think that Tiana really just made the tribe dynamic so complex and so much worse for her for basically no good reason because you should always give like go girl give us nothing like that you give you just give inconsequential information yeah I mean the apology really solved nothing yeah so much worse but again it's on the lack of knowledge that gabe will have people in that tribe exactly tell me but even even if that weren't true and that is such a such a major difference in how she perceives her tribe after you know like 10 or so days in the game like that that's an indictment but even if that weren't true you definitely know that any of the people who are now telling all of the tribes every person in the game knows that like the flow

of that information is so uncontrolled. Jay does have a title. You've now also lied. Yeah. So questions abound. I actually want to get to some questions. That was such a good segue, not on purpose. Questions from the listeners.

Then we're going to look a little bit ahead to merge and give the old catch of the day and do the cheesy. A lot to do, Marianne, but we're having fun doing it. Yes, we are. We have a question here from Party Rock. How long will the eggs be okay to eat out there? I feel like they'd almost be forced to cook them all right away. So I looked this up. Do you refrigerate your eggs? It actually, it depends on how the eggs are processed. Yes. I found that out. I'm saying yes, I found it out today.

Eggs that have to be refrigerated basically have like this layer removed, which makes them need to be refrigerated. But if you have an egg that just is like popped out from a hand, those do not need to be refrigerated. In some places in Europe, you'll actually see eggs not being stored in the refrigerator. So they can pretty much last like shelf life for as much as as long as an egg in the refrigerator lasts. Yeah. OK, my mother-in-law doesn't put eggs in the fridge and i thought that was kind of weird sorry jilly but um apparently what i learned today is that in everywhere outside of the u.s or i don't know about canada maybe north america like yeah it's how they prepare the eggs that we don't need to necessarily refrigerate it

and the u.s does because of the way that they have it and then also because we in we vaccinate the chickens against salmonella which you guys don't do and i just i mean it feels like maybe well american vaccines terrible this time let's get into that but yeah so it seems like they could but i don't know how that'll be like on the fijian beach but apparently it should be more fine than you might think yeah when you're refrigerating your eggs and that's the information I learned today that I'm parroting that might be wrong like no don't obviously like you know check the health and yeah I can't be don't eat the egg basically if your egg is found in the refrigerator in the store keep it in the refrigerator but if it's found ambient you can keep it ambient and like also like and then also like they you could see they

didn't put the eggs in the beating sun because that's probably not good for eggs but yeah so we learn a lot about food safety on this podcast and a lot about killing chickens like people are getting more than they bargained for. I know I am. Okay. We had a great question. I can't pronounce the name. I'm sorry.

Why didn't they just pick up Andy shot in the dark last episode? So he couldn't use it seems easier than giving him a fake name. That moment is interesting in hindsight that Andy lost his shot in the dark and they don't have to be like, we're holding a shot in the dark hostage. That's obviously incredibly antisocial for a tribe that you think wouldn't go back to tribal council, but like someone could pocket it, you know, and just never tell him. And then what would, I mean, Sam would probably,

I mean, Sam would have to out all of his relationships to get Andy to question that or confront that person. So it would kind of shoehorn Andy a little bit. And then so much social capital was lost to prevent the shot in the dark so now it's kind of feeling like they probably should have pocketed the shot in the dark i can speak to that ll cool dubs it is because shot in the dark is the personal property of andy and it is always the personal property for Andy until he physically gives it to someone.

So if it's lost and Andy can't find it, that's OK. But if someone takes it, that's not OK, which is why they did not pick up the shot in the dark. Brilliant. Marianne, you are so wise. Like, you know about eggs, you know about the rules of the shot in the dark. You know how to kill a chicken. Like, you're just, you're almost a doctor. I'm not. You're one survivor. You're just an exceptional person, truly.

Yeah. Okay. Wait. Where is it? Oh, no, Marianne, you had this ready to go. Yes, here we go. Marianne shot in the dark. I shot in the dark.

But you didn't lose. You didn't need, like like dominant and impressive, right? You don't roll it. It's actually very heavy. It's very, and it has, look, it has the tried logo on it. You see the oberus? Yeah, I see that. There you go.

I hope some, some fun information. What else do you have in the bag? Okay, I'll go quickly. So I have in the bag the note from the final five challenge the final advantage made the fun i have the scramble yeah i have my beware advantage uh beware advantage exactly this is from tree mail over here got tree mail yeah i have i have things that they don't use on survivor pencils as boston rob Rob said. The pencil from what? He should know. There's something

where Boston Rob is saying, oh no, you don't have pencils. It's an idol of the idols. I have tree mail from the challenge. Why do you have a pencil? They gave it to us in the final five. I have tree mail from the one where I have over here my immunity

idol. No, this is from my first idol first idol flex i mean marianne you really ticked the button and then i'm almost done people i'm sorry and then i have over two more things in this bag i have this is when i went on my journey the note that i they gave me and then in this one here this is the extra vote the extra vote rules that i got from when i risked my vote okay you had an extra vote i even forgot about that i did i know and last but not least the coolest thing ever if some of you right recognize this but this is my second idol that i have my little souvenir you never had to use and That I never had to use. And then you used it in your firecracker council speech to win the game.

With the note and everything. So here it is. So I love a good souvenir. I don't have my torch because that's when they still auctioned it off. So someone in the world randomly has my torch and I have no clue who it is. It's you.

It's you? No. That's so kind. Can you imagine if I had my torch? Imagine if I brought it up. Okay, question from Tubby Lunchbox. To quote Genevieve, who do the scales be tipping for as we go into the merge? Can we look

ahead to how we think this is going to go at Murgatory? Who's in a good spot? What are we looking at the dynamics from a positive perspective before we look at who's under that bus? Who's in a good spot? I'll say, you know, I'm going to say the top number one who I think is in the best spot of every tribe. In blue, I think that it's Carolyn. I don't think anyone's coming for Carolyn.

Wait, no, actually, I changed my mind. I think it's Sue because the girls thing might go and bite Carolyn in the butt. I don't think it would. But I think Sue has that girls thing might go and bite Carolyn in the butt. I don't think it would. But I think Sue has that girls thing because of proxy to Carolyn. Everyone thinks that she's sweet. Sue's in with Gabe, but not too close with Gabe. I think that Carolyn is best for that. I think that in Lavo, I don't see a world where Teenie goes home. I genuinely do not see a world where Teenie goes home.

I think that Teenie, they're in the best position. And for last but not least, Gata. I don't think any, I think Andy's actually in the best position because I think that if it blows up, they're always going to go for either Sam or Sierra or maybe Rachel as a sacrificial lamb I think that Andy is actually in the best spot in this in the tribe so those are the three for me what about you I do think Caroline's in a very good spot I think Teeny's in a good spot we kept seeing conversations with Caroline Teeny and Rachel yeah Caroline I think Teeny has a lot of relationships we have they Teeny and Caroline with Andy have the amulet bond, which could be kind of contrasting to a possible women's alliance with Rachel,

because it feels like that's clearly at odds. But I think that Teenie has options. I think Caroline has options. I think Sue is more connected to Caroline through that. So I think that could be really interesting. Sam and Sierra's name has been out there, but all of that for me, you know, those are dynamics that might kind of start to form after purgatory and purgatory you find most of the time that it

is who is expendable as we've spoken about so who's expendable i mean you have to look at all the people on the bottom and i know that's boring but that was true of mariah of josh with extenuating circumstances of j maya like often we see the person who is on the bottom and who might have just gone if they'd gone back to a tribal council, depending on who's vulnerable at Murgatory will go. So from that perspective, I would worry for Tiana because I think the stronghold of Tuku will throw Tiana

under the bus and there's verifiable, tangible ways to do it in terms of the information. Rome, clearly, you know, like Rome from an Eda perspective will probably be like immune and purgatory but could easily be a consensus especially when maybe you you can try and like split some numbers and the fear that he has an idol um and there's so many numbers there that you think you could throw a couple of votes and he has like no one at this point like and I also

doubt his ability to gain more people so if he's vulnerable and then um you know Rachel's in an interesting spot because rachel should be the one where like the stronghold of gutter like will you know get rid of rachel but possible connections to sierra and i feel like caroline is the key for rachel where is this all women's alliance thing gonna happen you know you have to credit that rachel started that in secret not loudly to everyone but in a conversation at the journey and i think that if rachel is vulnerable and staying it's because someone like caroline is vouching for her so i mean like tiana would probably be like my my go-to from both an edit and game perspective of

who i think is going next week and like edit aside i think it'd be rome but i just think we have we have more to to see from rome i feel like you've been in for the long run yeah it's not done yeah yeah like so who's your pick who do you think's going home next week um I think I have to go with you with Tiana if Tiana's not safe like I just feel as if it's like when information like people just don't want to go home at Mergatory, so they don't really care. It's like any like it's the closest to anybody but me. And like, yeah, if you have Gabe being like, screw Tiana, if Carolyn being like, well, we need to be strong.

How much can Carolyn fight, especially if Sue's against Tiana and then Gabe's against Tiana? So and then the only person who I think would be rooting for Tiana would be. Why am I forgetting his name the last person on blue Kyle Kyle Kyle because Kyle's like dog loving Kyle dog loving Kyle is the only one who'd root for Tiana so I think that's like and like so it really would then hinge on how willing Kyle is to flip if Kyle's pulled in the plan if like Carolyn how strong that's going to be and but we don't even know how the tribal lines

are going to go with if they presumably split it in the two that we've seen yeah so sue has an idol kyle doesn't have a vote so we can play the idol on dave if she's worried yeah and then there's the amulet where they might try to get rid of that early like they can play it when everyone's on the same beach so from next week yeah and knowing that the amulet has been such a you know is a different amulet it has been such a bounty you would think let's really solidify something maybe early and get kind of like the monkey off our back in terms of the amulet so there could be you know advantages and there could be the fear of advantages you might not want to target Gabe in a chaotic merge um because he could be safe but you might also not want to target Rome from that perspective like the people who have the specter of idols and advantages over them and tiana i think

is vulnerable to that without the allies to really help her with that the one ally she has does not have a vote so to me she's like the expendable person yeah and that's how i see that because she doesn't even have like the bluff or the fear in terms of if there's something to protect her like some of the other targets might have on the other side of that who is your catch of the day you know channel steven yeah even though it's not know it all you get your award the q is the number one today of who did the best oh my goodness who is my number one and i don know, the catch of the day, I really feel, and I know people might feel differently about it for me, but I think it has to be Sam because Sam got his way for what was best for him at the tribe. You have Andy, like you get to keep Andy and he's completely loyal to

you. Andy has the idol, which then in proxy, if he's going to protect you and he has the idol which then in proxy if he's going to protect you that could be a plus especially if andy's like hey us three let's save sam i really think that sam did the best thing you got sierra to see your vision your side because like i really think if if andy went he would have been cooked next week completely cooked but now like he really has like a breathing chance but i think that like like so you know the fish is sam but the bait is andy like i really do think andy deserves the flowers because andy from basically blowing his spot up from day three like day three he's now in this alliance where it's like sierra has to work with andy Sam is working with Andy.

There's all a strong three. The only information that could go out about, about that could go knock it off for Sam is this idol, but he didn't play it. So it weakens that information as well too. So I really do think that it's the best way to go that. I think that it's like Sam's the catch of the day. Well,

if you want to give fish and bait, we actually have an award where you can give multiple points to multiple players. We have the Chizzy, take it away Jacob Segoe, and MC Color and Scott. Two, three. One, one, one, one, one, one, two, one, two, three.

It's getting kind of cheesy. Three, two, one. And we have the chili chart. So we just worked out how to put that on the screen. Yeah. Do you want to go first? Do you want to give your points? I mean, Sam's getting three and it seems like Andy's getting two. Yes. Yes.

One. Yeah. Okay. For me, I really was fighting between who was going to go and get one point. But I really feel as if for me, the person to get the one point, I'm deciding on the live moment right now. I'm really being an MJ right now. It's exciting. And I actually understand that reference. Thank you. I think that the person to get the one point, I'm going to have to go for who was really more active this episode. And I'll talk about the honorable mention.

And I think the one point is Carolyn. And I think it's because we've really saw that Carolyn really wants to keep this tribe together, but she's also not afraid to go and search for different options. And people were really biting at the bait with her. People were like, oh, like, her people like oh like okay carolyn like i'm kind of interested in this like all girls thing and i feel and i feel the trio was interested and i think that carolyn is going to be in a good spot at the merge i don't think like like i said i think that susan a better spot but i don't think that carolyn offering this alliance is going to be a detriment to her does that make sense yeah I mean I was gonna do the exact same

thing it shows how meant to be we are Marianne those are my exact points Sam three Andy two and Caroline one I feel like for Sam what we haven't spoken about was and I like it was it seemed like a key kind of question like what if I told the idol for Andy and then Andy knows I had an idol and didn't tell him and the issue with with that, to be fair, and any like kind of cracks there, and this is why I would have told Andy, I hope that maybe he did before the tribal council, is like Rachel knows that he found an idol. So it's hard to kind of doom him with that into the merge

because it's expired. Exactly. Whether people will believe that or not is different, but it could come out for Andy too. But also it did seem like the solution was just don't play the idol. Like you two are the kingmakers. Like you're either honored or not is different um but it could come out for Andy too but also it did seem like the solution was just don't play the idol like you two are the king makers like you're either honored or not so that you're making the decision now and then that's gonna win and the idol is unnecessary and that was good to not play the idol I do hope Andy is brought in a way that Sam can control that information and not like get in a place where um you know it's worse

for their relationship and i also think looking at how they all looked at how dave played an idol having a big moment to play it on andy especially unnecessarily would have just added to the lore of sam where the idol the fact that he had one at all might do that but like playing it on someone else even unnecessarily would have been bad glad he didn't do that i'm giving three points to sam sam has jumped to the top of the leaderboard now on 11 and i can't do it live but then we gave the two points to Andy so Andy's gone up to seven as well you know Andy's been building and now he's like really seen that and now Caroline is on the board with two I'll give an honorable mention to Teenie I feel like

you know the soul stuff wasn't great but um you know Teenie obviously is in a good spot with points that should play out in the future and sierra like i kind of wanted to because i feel like it was right to stick with sam she has to go with her alliance loss so i couldn't give it points and i think that that that's what we did the exact same points well these are my two these are my two uh honorable mentions my honorable mention was actually different from you i wanted to give an honorable mention to gabe because the way that like he played seeing the apology being like of course i forgive you then immediately running back to fact check said apology like yeah flowers that's exactly what you do when someone gives you information you want to fact check it with

someone you trust a second honorable mention of course has to go with the chickens you know using weapon that weaponizing competence as you said to keep themselves safe for another day. So, yeah. And they're alive. And they're so happy. And what do you think their lives are like? Oh, I can't even imagine. Oh, my God.

They just grew on a farm, like a big farm somewhere. Upstate. A farm upstate. Yeah. I'm so happy for them. Upstate in Fiji. Well, yeah. I mean, honorable mention in the chili to the chickens.

Don't put that into the charts because it's not actually valid. But I'm just really happy for them that they earned their freedom by just doing nothing. And that's what we love, you know? Being lazy and then gaining from it is amazing. Girl, give us nothing. Give us nothing, chickens, and then be freed and be happy forever. What a happy time this has been. We got plugs. We got plugs.

We got plugs or we can tell you about hair plugs. Oh, here we go. Exited to view with Annika. Excited to find out some information about that, which we'll be checking out soon tomorrow. There are New York. Why am I seeing this? Why am I the live show?

Because we're all going to watch it. We're going to watch them at the live show. No, silly, silly, because they're in New York. Why am I seeing this? Why am I the live show? Because we're all going to watch it. We're going to watch them at the live show. I hate the Mary. No, silly, silly. Because they're in New York, Know It All isn't on tomorrow. It's going to be on Friday at 1 p.m. Eastern. That's what it is.

We're basically being reminded that we're at home. No, also there's going to be a live show to watch. Oh, yes. The live show as well, too. I'm not good at plugs, clearly. Okay, so the live show, know it all. Yes. Stephen will give out a fishy, but we already have the catch of the day.

I, Stan Kageyan, is a documentary that's premiering in Philadelphia on October 28th, on YouTube October 29th. I also can't go to this, and I'm in the freaking documentary. Don't worry. I can't go either, and I'm also in the documentary. You're in it too? Yeah, I am.

I'm so far away from all of these things. It's fine, Sherry. Can you do one of the things in Australia? It's starting to feel a little unfair. Anyway, move it along. Oh, nobody wants us on Nothing But Netflix. I was on this podcast with Chappelle. Have you watched the show? I have not watched the show, but I do on nothing but Netflix I was on this podcast with Chappelle Have you watched the show?

I have not watched the show, but I do like Nothing but Netflix Okay, you should watch the show It's about a podcaster Who has a romantic entanglement With a Jewish rabbi Now I, as a Jewish podcaster Was like, and obviously I'm obsessed with Adam Brody

Because I'm 31 Can rabbis not be married? to non-jewish women it's probably frowned upon okay okay perfect so there was that um that was really fun with chapelle check that out i'm not thinking about netflix coming soon um apparently marianne you are on America Tells All this week. Yes, I am. Okay. I love reality TV and I sometimes delve a little bit into the romantic angle and I will be joining the wonderful, smart, talented, beautiful, stunning friends with her mom, America Lopez, to talk about the latest episode of The Golden Bachelorette.

So please go listen up because i love love yeah i mean look the romantic aspect of reality tv you met your husband due to reality television right exactly you were kind of you want survivor and you were also kind of the bachelorette but not but even better because a lot of those relationships don't work out and yours to this point i think cbs reality relationships have a higher success rate than the whole bachelor franchise yeah it does go bad as a bachelor obsessed person it's been pretty unfortunate but i will i'm behind on the golden bachelorette no spoilers i'm obsessed mary i'm done i'm full you know like all the confessionals you had where you're just like

bawling yes genuinely if you look at me at any point when i'm watching the golden bachelorette my like my face is just wet with tears like they're all so sweet i just want them all to be where you're just like bawling. Yes. Genuinely, if you look at me at any point when I'm watching The Golden Bachelorette, my face is just wet with tears. Like they're all so sweet. I just want them all to be, much like the chickens. I want them all to be happy and live long, full lives. Yes. Everyone in The Golden Bachelorette.

It's very lovely. Check Marianne out on that. Become a patron. The Slop community, like early tickets to things like tonight where every person alive is at the New York event. Q&A with Rob and Taryn discord watch parties, learn more at Rob has a website.com slash patron. Yeah. What's going on in your life? What's wrong with me? Um, you know, not a lot, not in New York. Cool. We're big now. Um, we're big on the screen.

So with less big Scott, I feel so bad for Scott having to deal with us right now but anyway what's going on nothing but netflix so i have a global every week where we give out the choosing we talk about the strategic permutations of the episode next week i have two guests south africa dino and mary and marian oh yeah it's very similar to your name but it's also very different to your name marian not marian um we're gonna be doing that nothing but Netflix follow me at Shannon Gates that's all I got what are you what about you Marianne tell the people you're becoming a doctor yeah yes I'm a doctor tweeting as a lot of you know my husband's game are a history untold

released so please purchase that so he can get a good bonus. I don't make these things. I'm making this up out of my butt right now, but the more people purchase, hopefully there's a chance he gets a bonus because he pays for rent. So this is great for me because I am not making income right now. Just living life. I'm probably going to go by the fourth wing. If anyone has any good book recommendations, please tweet at me at Marianne One Oketch. I'm more active on Twitter. I'm looking for good book recs. But yeah. You're doing so much.

You have so many hours in your day. Like you just really maximize. Oh, absolutely. It's because I, you know, I listen. I learned through osmosis. So I'm able to do the most of my day. It's actually, it's like I have 26 hours in a day. Incredible.

Well, this was so fun, Marianne. It was nice to hang out. It was nice to hang out. It was nice to hang out too. I do have a former from New York, but this was a good, not second option. That's what they can't say to Sam. You know, like, no, it was a top. It was an equal top option and I loved it.

And I had a great time. Even when you were like literally demonstrating how to kill chickens, I was still having fun because I was with you. It's educational. We've learned about the chickens and the eggs. Exactly. What came first? Find out next week. But that's all we

have. Thank you, Scott. Sorry, Scott. Thank you, Marianne, for being my guest. Thank you to everyone for listening. You will hear from Rob when he is back on the live show back with Steven, but we really appreciate you checking out this special edition of the Post Game Show. And that is all we have. So thank out this special edition of the post-game show.

And that is all we have. So thank you and see you next time. Bye. Bye. Have a good night, everyone.