RHAP: We Know Survivor - Matt Liguori and Brian Scally on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 6

Episode Date: October 27, 2024

Mike and Liana are joined by Matt Liguori and Brian Scally for Episode 6!

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You can stay for free. Hi everybody and welcome back to the RHAP B&B for week 6 of Survivor 47. My name is Mike Bloom. Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. We are here to mourn our merge. Drop the Tory. It's just a flat-out

merge at this point with extra steps. Boot and a rather big one in the form of Rome as we talk about for the first time in quite a while, a flat-out burial of an episode in multiple ways but there is a lot of stuff to get into Liana fortunately not here a la Genevieve she is uh on the sit-out bench doing a goofy laugh uh random three second clip by the way I

don't know if you guys noticed of like genevieve laughing like goofy very strange but regardless liana is out for this week but i have two guests in her stead that are fantastic uh coincidentally there are two cbs or cbs base i should say reality shows on wednesday nights that this week just had the game turn from team to individual and these two guys were covering the other side of that coin in the form of the challenge, as they do every week on the Free Agents podcast. Let me welcome in first Matt Liguori. Matt, how are you? So, so good. Sad to not have Liana here with us today, of course. But podcasting about Survivor right here is fun as hell.

So excited to do it. And of course, the one and only brian scally scally how's it going oh well hello michael i'm so good hi like any other stay at a b&b i am overpacked i didn't sleep i was so excited so i'm glad to be here listen overpacking uh we might check your bag so be sure to wash anything covered in paint scally immediately but also be sure to leave all the paint just festooned around the immediate area for any visitors to come in as well well i don't clean up after myself so that is definitely for sure well here we are gentlemen it has been an up and down five weeks and there's always a lot of what ifs when it comes

to when the game becomes individual and all of these different tribal factions come together but this time at least it was a rather unified stance with the exception of a few throwaway votes as rome proved that the first impression he made on Lavo ends up being perhaps a bit duplicative in his first impression to Gata and to who as well. And as a result, he is our big merge boot here. Matt, I wish I had a camera on you live in the moment to get your reaction to the fall of Rome. reaction to the fall of Rome but give me your overall thoughts on this episode and also how the season has been for you so far because I know it's been a while since from the free agents perspective you've uh checked in on the survivor yeah first of all I don't know what you're talking about I don't know why you would need a camera all you want we all know what you're talking about

um but look so I think it's pretty universally agreed upon and hard to argue the character, the size of the character that Rome was to the season of Survivor. The, you know, the love him or hate him type of feelings that you will get from a character like Rome. And for me, with a character like that and probably for other people as well, the fun of that character is waiting for their downfall. He's certainly not the first, won't be the last in a season like this or any season of any reality show. So from the jump, having him be somebody who was kind of not super on the ends of his tribe, and then as the season, you know,

obviously in the episode that Asia ends up going, a bunch of people kind of come around him to work with him because they have to, because he's so protected with the idols and advantages that he had at that point. And then you see all the way along that, like, OK, not everybody is loving working with him. The Teenie Rome dynamic was interesting. The Genevieve dynamic with him was interesting because she was like, well, he's the closest person I have and somebody who i can trust at this point but i don't necessarily feel like i can uh work with him long term and so just to like see them all get to this stage of the game where obviously everybody's coming together mergatory is happening whether it's the same mergatory we're used to or not um and i'm thinking you know who are they going to throw out first? I mean, look, usually I feel like usually I think of it being the person from like the tribe that has the most numbers.

So I was kind of expecting somebody from the blue tribe to go. But when you really think about it and as you see the episode go on, you're like, oh, yeah, there's a whole tribe of people here that are more than happy to throw one of their own, you know, quote unquote, under the bus. Let them go. you know quote unquote uh under the bus let them go and you know the episode uh presented to us by the way that it was edited by jeff's involvement in it just from the very beginning of the episode being like uh rome taking the previously on from jeff and then later ending up in jeff's seat the only thing he'll take from jeff by the end of this episode right and then having this whole moment of just like this meant so much to me, just it felt like it completed his story within one 90 minute episode. And it was like a very nice. I don't know if he feels the same.

It was a very nice conclusion from a fan's perspective of this story of this very big character. Yes, Gally, give me your thoughts on Rome here, because he really was the episode to Matt's point. And it's very unique. I feel like for an ensemble show matt's point and it's very unique i feel like for an ensemble show like survivor it's very rare we get one entire 90 minute episode from one person's perspective but especially in retrospect given that to his point we started and with two of the most meta moments in the show's history does definitely display that like this was the Rome episode in its finality yeah look I love a big character I love a messy character uh but at the same time I feel like you know in terms that I'm sure Rome knows like he got a bonus life it was a little bit of a speed run here at the merge

but we got to see him in every situation. So I'm happy for that. I was curious to see how Rome interacts with every person in the cast. And we did get that. So I'm happy. I will not lie. The episodes that are just completely dunking on one person for 90 minutes. I do enjoy quite a bit. They're great. I think it's so fun.

I don't want them to overuse it in survivor i feel like they would become less special well that's the thing i think we've got like a mountain rush more now officially because i think the big the big three up to this point were roger sexton in the amazon uh chris noble and then drew christy is another big one like the rare non-merge one and so rome gets to be the Teddy Roosevelt to complete that set. And I think I saw somewhere that he has the most confessionals of any, I think it might've been like Rob's fact check

or someone that most confessionals ever for somebody who technically is pre-merge, if you count this as pre-merge, mergatory, whatever. So, you know, not a bad stat to hang your hat on on the way out. Yeah, for sure. Can't believe that record was

previously Gina Cruz, apparently. she don't want to tribal council in five out of the six episodes so yeah that makes a lot of sense i just i could think of so many other people that i would have guessed before i ever got to gina but uh shout out to her i mean that's the thing is that uh as much as andy was talking about that people who finish pre-jury are only known as such basically in survivor fan circles listen I guess speaking from the perspective of somebody who just spent so much time over the course of this summer trying to discern who may or may not get called back for a future season I think as much as I love some of these people in the new era who were pre-jury including on this very season i think rome kind of shoots to the top of that list uh for many many reasons i mean to your point scally he really was speed running survivor from the jump with him falling down a well

basically to get a clue to an idol and so i think he gives production absolutely what they want. It's very clear in this episode that as much as Rome might understandably claim that some of those soundbites were maybe fed through a little bit of a filter to make it seem like he had no idea what was going on. Like he provided those sounds in the beginning to allow the producers to use it. So he was able to just serve them up so much content week after week after week and so again it's gonna be a real uh scrap to figure out who's gonna be in this 50 cast but if they decide to go very heavily new era and say like okay who's someone who didn't make the jury that could make it for a possible second chance? I think there's a chance we see the Roman Empire rise here on a possible season 50.

Yeah, I think that you have production looking at like, okay, Rome runs a season. Imagine that season. Okay, Rome goes home in one episode. What a fun one episode. It's exactly it, yeah. Rome was made to be in the final five of Survivor Game Changers, like the first version of it. Like he made to be in the final five of survivor game changers like the first

version of it like he would just fit in so well somewhere in that group um and make it to the end i don't know um i do want to say you brought up mike uh andy's comment about you know your pre-merge status defines your legacy in survivor i hope that there is a couple more uh pre-merge people in season 50 or just i don't't know, in some returning season going forward, because there are so many fun characters. So many of them have gone on to be such a big presence in the community, within RHAP, within just like in general, within the spaces that we exist in, that there's so many of them I'd love to see back. And I feel like a lot of them are going to need a little bit of a boost after Andy's comments there. lot of them are going to need a little bit of a boost after andy's comments there yeah that's the thing is that i don't know i it was the most surprising coming from andy who besides teeny is probably like the most knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the survivor fan community because

i would say if anything the pre-mergers in very specific circles are held in even higher regard than some of the most famous people to make the merge yeah yeah i mean i would imagine and i haven't you know been through this experience myself to say so but i would imagine that when you end up in this pre-merge spot probably takes a little a little bit of a time to kind of accept that this has been your fate obviously you want to go a lot further so again it's just like you probably get over that at a certain point in some capacity. And then you go watch Andy at tribal council, be like,

screw these people sucks to be them as he gets two votes and almost, you know, goes home as a backup vote, which very glad he did not. That's my King. But it was close. Could have been. And I mean,

okay. Yeah. Survivor super fans are only going to remember like the pre-mergers like, okay, let's go quiz a casual on like anyone from Survivor 42. Good luck. Yeah, that's exactly it.

Again, yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see like what the mental cachet is on someone like Rome even a few seasons later, but still an incredibly unique persona up until the time when his torch was snubbed so we got to get into a few beats here i mean let's talk about the thing that arguably sinks him from the jump in this episode and it's really interesting in that from the lavo perspective it was certainly like death by a thousand cuts right that from what we saw last episode even his closest ally is like he is doing too much sketchy shit right now he's throwing me under the bus to Saul I don't know if I could trust him necessarily I've compared it to before he's that tiger on the leash that you try to domesticate but like you'll inevitably get scratched and so you think okay a new opportunity new group of people and

from our perspective it seems like that goodwill is undone over the course of one morning and it riles up again from our perspective one of the most mild-mannered contestants we have had in years scally give me your perspective on everything that happened with rome and kyle and also maybe some perspective on uh some stuff that has been brought to light after the fact it's wild i mean as rome said so much of just like that initial vote is someone's name gets brought up and don't push too hard in a different direction just let it happen it's fine you're gonna be safe and unfortunately for rome that name was his i think had he not played the pre-merge in the way that he did maybe he would be given the benefit of the doubt in certain situations.

But instead, everyone had an entire like, you know, 13 reasons why they should not trust Rome. It's that smile. Yeah, like, you know, they had all of the reasons in the world of like, no, no, no, we have to fact check every single thing. So even if Rome is completely telling the truth, yeah maybe we should probably still trust the other person yeah the uh the way that he comes in so hot by you know having this whole plan in his head of uh let me take what kyle says and run with it and run back to everybody it's like okay this is this is fun

if it were to work um and to see see like Kyle's head spinning later on. If it had if it had worked, I want to say like if Tiana and whoever had like actually believed that Kyle was saying all of these things and wanted them out of the game and it wasn't just this casual conversation. And then Kyle eventually gets to tell them, you know, Rome was the one that actually threw it all out there. I was just kind of nodding and agreeing. It would have been it would have been interesting, but I mean, this is not the kind of gameplay as we can all imagine, or as we all know from watching many seasons of the show, from watching Rome attempted here, that is going to get you too far,

especially this early on when everybody comes together. People are looking for a reason to single somebody out. And he, you know, gave lots of reasons to lots of people. Yeah, and I think it really depends on the timbre of the group, because I would imagine from Roma's perspective, he's like, look what Gabler did with Ellie, right? Like he was the one that really threw this name out and led the charge.

And a lot of people were like, all right, I'll just go with the first name given as long as it's not me. I just need to survive. And Ellie was voted out. I mean, there's a few reasons why this didn't work one is i think because of what we'll talk about with the the unmergatory the fact that it's not okay for the six people on the bottom like you just have to go with any name to survive like there is a little bit more of a picking and choosing of okay well basically everyone except

kyle is vulnerable so i can really uh you know serve up the target that i want rather than the one that is kind of given to me and the second again it comes with every season is uh you can make the same move in back-to-back instances but it always depends on the people that you are with and listen i don't think any of us expected kyle to go from a g movie to going like the hard r with the fuck rome and he's a dick like absolute heel turn but at the same time like it's interesting in that if rome had maybe thrown out like saul's name first that maybe would have done a little bit better because again we see with gabler and ellie right like it's not like gabler sits down

at the merge feast and says yeah you know what we need to go for dwight right now like he was trying to rome was trying to take a shot at someone else in another tribe trying to bank off of these first impressions of tribal dynamics from not being a part of that group and i do think that's a bit of a fundamental mistake because yeah the two coups have obviously a much closer relationship that they will immediately go to each other and start comparing notes and i think it's also that he tried to and i mean you know was semi-accurately reporting at least in some cases uh that kyle said things about every single person on the tribe and you're bound to hit one person who's not going to

believe you and start funneling that back to kyle whereas if he had just gone and been like by the way sam like he wants to target you next i think that that could have had a lot higher of a success success rate go to the yellow tribe like all right it's us two we're working together i think that could have been a lot more of a successful play but i think he shot too big i agree i mean i think definitely going to the yellow tribe going to sam in particular would have been like a great way to go um so i think maybe it just does come down to kind of like a misread on who the people the proper people were that could have been receptive to receptive to a plan like that um the yellow tribe obviously

coming fresh off of a tribal council um very recently you know it feels like there could be room to actually explore there um what's going on rather than the blue tribe who has not been fresh off of a tribal council very recently. You know, it feels like there could be room to actually explore there what's going on rather than the Blue Tribe, who has not been to tribal council and you would imagine has been bonding since they voted out TK a year ago. Yeah, you never know though.

I mean, I think there's that adage, right? About like, if you don't go to tribal for a while or if you don't go to tribal at all, that things like immediately splinter. That's what happened with nami of course as recent as last season but tuku is not nami again it seemed like now what i will say is it seemed initially like rome did go to the right person in sue and was like sue i'm gonna give you another reason to hate this guy kyle and it seemed like initially sue was biting i think just the

trouble was yeah to your point he almost uh ironically enough for the fishermen of the tribe cast too wide of a net tried to like go to too many people and say too many different things and yeah i i do try to go back and see like was how how much was he twisting kyle's words i think the only thing that i really saw was that he seemed to like kind of be leading kyle along to say tiana's name by being like oh who's the biggest threat and kyle says oh yeah i think sam is running things he's like well what about women what do you think about tiana like what about tiana it's like oh yeah tiana could win he's like ah gotcha gotcha you said the thing i wanted you to say yeah which is very tony and lj right of like i need you to say the actual thing

so i have a reason to be able to go to people because Survivor is not a game about lying. We are all recorded. We all go to Video Village and watch it to make sure that Kyle said what he actually said. Yeah, it's surprising that Rome, I mean, at least on camera, doesn't have more proactive lying in his arsenal.

I would assume that, you know, why does he need to entrap kyle why not just go ahead and say he said all of this and worse i'm surprised actually that i know that rome the games that he usually commentates on are uh you know obviously a more of like a competitive variety like a rocket league like a fortnight but i'm kind of surprised he doesn't have any at least recorded footage of him playing some of these social strategy games like in among us like a goose goose duck because again given the way he plays survivor it would be absolute madness from the jump i didn't want to go back to you we're talking about how he goes to sue uh as if as if sue doesn't have her own problems here that she's

dealing with we need to talk about this it's just it's very funny because yeah just because like i can't imagine having a single rational conversation with sue at the moment because she is just waiting for the sirens to get closer and closer waiting for the cop cars to pull up and and take her in uh so i can't imagine anything being said to her at any point right now is being processed normally yeah we need to talk about this because as much fun as we thought the like oh no the paint got splattered everywhere i think we thought that the body was pretty well clear under the floorboards and basically these new people moved into the house and just saw a hand sticking up from the ground this is and it didn't take much for them to just pull the hand out and say with

strings uh it's a lovingly abhorrent cover job and the thing that i'm also obsessed with scally is the fact that again if we are to take the episodes edit as gospel this happened days ago and it still hasn't been covered up more than just burying the pot like one inch under the sand that's my favorite part is that sue was so sure they would look through her bag and not that they would see anything else apparently like anything in plain sight that's fine but her bag that is where we really got to worry about i just i don't know how you don't go to like to the water well and like at least do like a little inspection i understand she was up against time when everyone came there, but this is quite some time Sue had to clean up. I know you guys obviously talked about this when it happened, Mike, but I can't even imagine what I would do in a moment like that.

It just feels completely impossible to hide. I don't know. Maybe you just have to make up some other excuse as to why a thing dropped of paint, because it's just, if you're, you have to spend the whole day there, just cleaning it, covering it up, getting it off your hands, obviously not successfully. She gets it on her chin and stays there. And the fact that, you know, Caroline sees, okay, great. Like we're working together and Caroline's going to come to her and be like, look, I know you have it. And she's like, what? No, I know you have it. And it it's okay i i'm so proud of you uh but tiana seems to not have that same level of or she seems to not sue seems to not have that same level of trust in tiana so somewhere along the way this needed to be uh to come out to come to light

or to be completely buried and again it was not buried well enough well i think also again this is definitely reverse engineering so she shouldn't have expected this like advantage hunt as soon as they hit feet on the new beach but i mean people were saying after the fact like oh genevieve found the advantage that the red paint had to do with it at all this could have been the perfect out right like maybe you dig out the pot and you like say oh my god look at all this red paint looks like somebody broke it to get something for an advantage we should hunt out to see who who got the advantage if sue pulled it out herself and she was the one uh making it seem like she

found it in front of listen on these murder mysteries nobody suspects the person that finds the victim no you report the body only in half the time in kus kus ducky get out actually called out for it i don't know i think doth might protest too much at that point i'm wondering on sue's acting skills the like which one of us definitely found this thing here yeah it's been very much giving uh tim robinson and the hot dog we're all trying to find the guy who did this i also loved random throwaway moment as well and maybe another reason why Sue was a little distracted by the cover-up efforts because she is also working on her own big lie of when Saul's

like, you're 45, I'm 43. We're looking great right now. Honestly, iconic. If I was lying to be 15 years younger than I was, and someone told me I still looked amazing for that age, down. Scali regularly goes to like 22 year olds and he's like,

we just look so good for our age of 23 years old. We have so much in common. I just got, I just got ID'd. Can you believe it? They just, they asked for my ID. Like it's crazy.

Yeah. I mean, at least like the good thing about maybe Saul would be the only one to like interrogate her about age saul would be the only one to like interrogate her about uh age bracket specific things right it's giving very much the circle to me of when like the older people play the much younger people and they're like what does this thing mean uh luckily i don't think sue is going to necessarily fall victim to that again she has much much bigger fish to fry in the immediate future it would have

been great to get like a saul confessional right after that just looking straight at the camera saying she is not 45 uh because you know like he very clearly seemed to pick up on that and it's you know it's been well discussed of like okay if somebody lies to you about their age great like you'll find out what their age is later who cares um but like just him saying that to her was funny but it would have been even funnier to just get it straight to our face like uh yeah no nice try and then the one thing i will say i agree i was largely entertained by just the roam downfall of it all there's just so many good sound bites from you know him saying like I was able to get 13 people to vote my way. I guess that shows the caliber of player I am, which is just one of the most objectively fantastic ironic statements I have

heard out of survivor ever. Like good God, the number of ways it can be used to him sitting on the stump. But I think it does unfortunately come at the cost of like actually getting to see these cross tribal interactions that we kind of have been hoping been hoping for i mean now that we're moving into it next week i would imagine that you know we're actually going to see it ferment now that the rome is out of the picture but we'll have to wait a little bit of a week on that fan fiction but let's talk about perhaps a piece of fan fiction that got willed into reality because i think almost from

the beginning people were like why are we doing this mergatory thing why are we having half of the possible group safe why are they determining it in like a challenge by random draw and survivor production whether they heard us or purely coincidence said all right we're gonna make this a normal merge but not say it's a normal merge it's in name only was this a welcome return to form for you guys sure definitely for me um i feel like it's production saying this isn't a normal merge is giving sue saying she's 45. Like, no, no, no, it's not exactly what you think it is. They are, you know, doing a lot of work to try to convince us, but I'll take it.

I mean, calling it a twist that only one person is safe. Like, sure. As if that's not normal and standard, but whatever they have to lie to themselves to us about, that's fine. I think it is much more interesting this way now obviously it does go the way of someone in the group that would have otherwise been vulnerable uh also going home i think it is still a pretty straightforward boot i think in many cases this like opens up the gameplay in a much better way so i like this as a format much better clearly very much so yeah i would have uh

been happy with this format going back to normal years ago um it's one of the you know modern era changes that they made that it felt like we didn't really need to do uh more than once if we even needed to do it once and i think that you know we've seen as the seasons have gone on kind of chipping away at some of those things that we've invented for the new era or tried to make happen in the new era that it's like, look, we'll go back to a little bit of just what Survivor is. So I'm glad to see this kind of go by the wayside for now. I don't know if it'll be the same in 48 or not, but I feel like the experiment was pretty good here. You know, on one hand, the person who does go home is somebody who was on the losing side of things anyway. So he still would have been eligible.

But to not be able to have had like this episode should be to production. The example of if you had Rome safe, if Rome happened to be on the winning team and those six people were safe here and you didn't get to have this downfall, like masterful episode that you produced onto my television screen on Wednesday night. Like, why are you why are you trying to save that from yourself just to have okay what's the point what are we doing yeah i mean to their point about oh it's a twist in mergatory i know a lot of people raise an understandable stink of like this is not a twist if it's just going back to the way things were i would more so say let's just change the language a little bit we'll call it an untwist right that mergatory twisted up the way that we normally start the individual game and this was just kind of untwisting it uh like you're you're tensing it up you're twisting twisting twisting and then you

finally let it go and the rubber band spins so much like i would call like if we did a vote at the final four now that would not be a twist it would be an untwist of just going back to the way that things were. But yeah, to your point, Matt, I think it just goes to show why this format was so successful. The first 40 seasons of the show, it's like,

just you rely on the people to make the entertainment happen. And they did in a major way. Now, maybe on the one hand, to your point, it could be something of like, well, we wouldn't get this Rome boot episode, but Rome would last longer

and he's absolute television gold. But again, we got so much out of Rome packed in these six episodes that I did not necessarily feel hungry by the end of it. And also getting to see one of the reasons why he ends up failing and not getting this chance at individual immunity is because, once again,

he puts himself in that hero role next to Gabe and it is just absolute disaster, right? It is Roman in a nutshell where the two of them are not communicating. They're just jerking the handles up and down wildly and the balls jumping around all over the place. It really is emblematic of, I think, the way Rome was perceived in the game. Yeah. Careful, Mike. jumping around all over the place it really is emblematic of i think the way rome was perceived in the game yeah careful mike rome is gonna say that you were very mean to him but like yeah the ask to switch out seemed pretty gentle from my perspective um we've seen rome kind of take this hero spot whether it be on a puzzle or on a maze or etc a couple times now and have not super

successful outcomes so very entertaining but i don't even believe they were allowed to switch out here i think that at a certain point you've seen a couple of these not go so well maybe we volunteer instead but not ideal i mean it goes to the exact same way that he was approaching the gameplay itself here just like let me let me you know head on let me take this head on and um you know have full control of both what's happening within my game, within the challenge and, you know, hope for the best. I'm glad that, by the way, we got the, you know, change in format, the untwist, as you will. But it still took so much time of the episode to have to do two challenges back to back. I know sometimes we have a reward challenge anyway, but just to have the continuous length of one challenge into the next.

And, you know, we got some great memes out of it with Genevieve sitting alongside everybody else in the mud. Those were great, great tweets, Brian, Rob, but, you know, still a little too long. Yeah, I mean, just give them the buffs. Like, come on, we're basically there anyway. Earn the merge. They've earned it by being here for 12 days.

Give them all a feast give them all the buffs right now it's just um it's mergatory again as i said in name only it's a formality having buffless people walk around a survivor beach is not what you know was intended uh many many years ago when this show was created they're they need to be buffed what did you think about the minute one advantage hunt didn't move the needle at all for you one way or the other. I love that they all rejected it. I love that so much. I love when survivor tries to force a twist on people and they say,

no, we know what's actually better for us. And right now socializing is a lot more important than a advantage. I'm probably not going to find for one single challenge can i tell you the moment of the episode for me it was when tiana found the sign before everybody else and she yells back excuse me excuse me i'm like what hey everyone come on over no i know i think that is that is the most like neutral thing you could possibly say considering that like i don't think she even exchanged words with these people they hopped off the boat and she's like okay do i want to be too demanding at this point like i don't

want to say like hey everybody stop what you're doing and come over here then i'll be seen as too domineering so let me just be like let me nudge them a little bit. Excuse me. It was the most polite excitement to see a survivor clue sign something like that that I've ever seen. So shout out to Tiana there. But yeah, when they all decide

that they're not going to do it, very funny. Andy's talking about, you know, we all want to get to know each other. And I'm like, okay, great. You know, that's fine. This advantage is probably not worthwhile.

And you know, when you do actually go out and fight for it like genevieve does and you find it great but she's like oh god i have to go she was so miserable having to go get it and that was even funnier but when they then later have to go tell jeff what happened and have like disappointed dad talking to them about like you guys really just don't like my advantage and the amulet. You don't like that either. You don't like any of my stuff. I give this stuff to you. This is for you.

I love it so, so much. Because, yeah, to your point about like the dad metaphor, it's like the dad went to like a pottery class and was like, look at this great stuff I'm making, everybody. They're like, yeah, gee, dad, it's great. I don't need an ashtray necessarily. I vape now. It's like you could hear his heart shatter a little bit he is just so incredulous at tribal council to your point not only about yeah we like looked for two minutes and then we decided that we should just like sit down and meet each other and then also

yeah the fact that like here are these big cross tribal secret amulets nope everyone knows about them and they're gonna to be played uselessly at this tribal council. Sorry, Jeff, we're 0 for 3 in this. Yeah, no one uses amulets anymore. Come on, they'll give you Riz. I wrote about them on Facebook. Yeah, I mean, the thing with the amulets is,

again, I think they're a really interesting idea and we saw them in like 42 and 45 a little bit about how it did allow them to eventually all turn on each other. I think the bad thing about it, and again, what worked really well in 42, but not in 45 and 47, is you can't give them away on a journey. Because the meta on the journey now is that you go there, you go to this little sandbar, you talk with people, and you have to go back and tell some sort of story to everybody. And so it incentivized all these people to be like, yep, this is what I have. Because also, if you lie about it,

there's a very good chance the other two didn't. And so then the notes are immediately going to be compared and you're going to end up in the line of fire. So it's something that i think should be and it's best usage something that's secret right this cabal of three people kind of working together but almost every time it is played out because the nature of the information is so public it basically ends up just kind of getting wasted if i'm jeff i'm just telling production go pull every idol out there every advantage still on the beaches go take them back these ungrateful little uh players don't want any of our toys and they can go play on their own sounds like a dream it sounds like what survivor 45 one of

those seasons recently just no idols 46 yeah exactly for me like you mike you say the idea of the untwist if that's why we have to sell it like oh the twist of the season you know the new era really was a reset and the twist is now all the jury members get to stand up and ask their own question at final tribal council like sure whatever you have to tell them i'm down yeah it's just uh it you know i imagine now we're gonna get at least an idol hidden at the merge. Now maybe something else in lieu of like the amulets all being utilized here.

I mean, it was a pretty wild tribal council because then Jeff follows that up with, oh, you think it's so easy to come up with these things? Well, why don't you step up and do it yourself? And look, I love me some Chrissy Hoff back. I know that she and some other players were a little peeved at the idea that the line was being crossed basically that they stepped up to the altar and uh sat at the lectern a little bit maybe it's because i'm part

of you know the fun and games podcast on rhap it's not that big of a deal like it's a it's a fun site it makes for a fun photo to see rome sitting there but i don't think this is something as like sacred as jeff stump filled with ass sweat for the past 10 years that they've been in fiji it's not that much of a profound image that the entire like guise of the game is broken just just realized you said jeff probst ass sweat um sitting on that twitter handle yeah i mean look it would be one thing if like suppose roman sat out of a challenge and he was literally allowed to commentate in jeff's role in the challenge like maybe that's a little too

much because then you're gonna get like future players that like want to do the same and just like have that moment for themselves that are probably going to be denied that because it was supposed to just be a one-time special thing but this was like I'm surprised this didn't happen earlier and I know that Rob has been talking about you know Jeff has tried this a couple times uh to get somebody else to take the bait uh so I guess he has kind of had this idea in mind for a little while longer but um you know it's gonna happen sooner or later and if survivor goes on for years then okay 47 is when it finally happened and i don't see it happening too often in the future yeah i'm not so precious about stuff like this like whatever it was funny it was a moment uh people are talking

about it and especially if and when jeff like knows that rome is going home like let him make a big show of it like it adds to the edit of the episode that's fine with me is this going to be like the new getting up and talking during tribal council like like when somebody has a thing to say they're gonna say jeff may i may i have the chair excuse me excuse me yeah i mean that'd be interesting and then maybe maybe the two sides just sort of converge until it eventually becomes like jeff sitting alone like i don't know if any of you guys have ever had that professor in college who like doesn't necessarily stand in front of the class or they do the seating arrangement where everyone's in a circle so it's like listen we're all free thinkers here i'm on the same level as you all so So let's have a discussion. The day they enclosed tribal council into a circle. I don't know what we're going to have

to talk about at that point. That is, I mean, look after survivor, a lot of them probably end up sitting in a circle to talk about what happened, but I don't think that we need that out there in, in tribal council. Jeff has already talking about like, wow, I can see things out there that I couldn't normally see because tribal council is so well lit today um i think we need to focus still on the players in front of us yeah i mean i know the tribal council goes on for a while but does dev does jeff need a standing desk does he need sort of like because i would imagine as well when he was standing i wonder if he sort of felt in a different position not from a lighting perspective but even like oh i see you all a bit differently now and you all see me a bit differently.

They should all stand the whole time. Oops, all standing. Would be more comfortable than those schools, I'm sure. I don't know. I mean, those these people are dog tired. Like imagine if they had to stand for an hour and a half. They'd be like, Jeff, yes, no, no none of the above can we get to voting now those are all the answers to your questions i'm not going to say anything i just want to vote and go home please yeah and then like oh what like then he could like do the big brother key wheel and tell them to sit down once they're safe when he's reading the votes he's like zero votes kyle

zero votes uh whoever and then they just pop down until somebody is left standing and then they go oh or now we're really reinventing or jeff like they all stand for the question and answer and then when they get up to vote they then go individually to sit down and sit down yes and then like the traitors jeff will walk behind their backs and just tap the person on the shoulder and then you open your eyes and you're like rome rome's gone oh my god yeah dude like a heads up 7 up I'm like okay you have to sneak out very quietly as you get your torch or Annika she would not be able to have said

a word yeah ruin that now I'm out I'm not alone I'm out that's very true it does prevent like the big reactions the big or even they just have to be quiet they have to be like did you give me a hug

like tap us on the shoulder and just like pull them in yeah exactly well let's keep talking about rome much like the episode did because leon and i each wrote pre-season predictions for how we thought that r Rome would do. And Rome, from the beginning, was a big character. This was a guy who watched every single season of Survivor in a three-month period last year. Suffice it to say, he was coming in hard with that energy from my first interview with him,

and it carried over into his exit press as well. This guy was nonstop. So how did we think he would do i will start with liana who in absentia did send in her predictions so i will try my best to provide a neutral tone to it for your gentleman's judgment here liana had rome making the jury she said that rome's big personality kept him from being in the in-group on Lavo, but his challenge strength kept him from being voted out pre-merge. In the last journey of the pre-jury, Rome earns himself an idol that was good for three tribal councils, which, like Yule's super idol, keeps him

safe without his social game needing to do much work. As soon as that idol expires, Rome falls in a blindside due to his overconfidence.ome also pulls out his jeff impression a few too many times and we slash the castaways start to be annoyed by it his closest ally was andy and his enemy was gabe uh yes i mean maybe a lot of this got left on the cutting room floor only one instance of the jeff impression in my opinion and it really came at the most appropriate time when he sat in his chair look we had the Jeff impression he did have an idol I don't know about the challenge prowess um but otherwise there was a little bit of that on the season so uh after a bit of a divergence last week Leon and I are both simpatico once more we have converged I also had Rome making the jury.

I said, immediately hitting the beach, Rome tries to channel the guy that made him fall in love with Survivor in Ozzy. He steps up as the tribe provider, though his high level of energy wears thin after a while. But Rome didn't just fall out of the coconut tree, though he almost does at one point. His constant trips for food and firewood mask his ferocious idol hunting. As a result, he's able to find Lavo's idol, which

he ends up wasting pre-merge. While Rome's excitable personality endears him to the majority initially, his eagerness to go on journeys and have cross-tribal relations unnerves some of his allies. That's only amplified when the merge hits as the jury starts the lavo tories seem primed to waste the competition but when rome tells sue about wanting to target sol eventually she spreads that info back to the other party as a result sol flips on his tribe leading to the sudden but devastating fall from rome in one clear message to the sudden but devastating fall from Rome in one clear message, game over. His closest allies were Asia and Tini,

and his enemy was Saul. I wish a mix of all of that was true, of what you said and what she said. I wish his closest ally was Asia for a time being, and I wish his enemy was Gabe, because maybe other enemies wouldn't have gone at a certain point. Ooh, that's a lot to chew on.

I feel like you were very close in the latter half of that, maybe other enemies wouldn't have gone at a certain point uh oh that's a lot to chew on um i feel like you were very close in uh the latter half of that talking about that he was well what about him and sue and sol was like he was pretty similar like it's flapping his gums because he's so overconfident he's like yeah don't worry we're gonna get rid of sol eventually like the lavos are not gonna go to the final four together and then then Sue is just going to go over to Saul and spread that information. He did, you know, quote unquote, waste an idol pre-merge. He did show up insisting on being the provider. I don't know how well it went, but I guess, you know,

lost energy maybe a little quicker than thought. Closest ally being Asia might be a big disqualifier. To be fair, Liana said his closest ally was andy so yeah closest next closest vote getter was yeah yeah look at this uh leon and i both had rome the rhap sympathizer in the preseason also why do you why do you both think that he's like loving the journeys that he wants to you know did he say in preseason that he was dying to go on journeys i mean he just seemed to have that energy of like i'm gonna take every opportunity given that he did seem like the guy that would say oh can i do this one and there also seemed to be people like kishon on his tribe that were like i

absolutely do not want to go on any of these things that he's like much like we saw from a bit of their time together like kishon was more than happy to give rome the shovel to bury himself right oh it's interesting. You guys are very simpatico again, like you said. It's very much aligned. I'm having a tough call between the two. Can you, do you still have Liana's up? What's the first

line or two again? Rome's big personality kept him from being in the in-group on Lava, but his challenge strength kept him from being voted out pre-merge. Challenge strength. I mean mean he's not in the top half of i think who kept them in the challenge strength i think his challenge strength actively made them lose a lot of challenges when it comes to the puzzles so i i did feel like i had something in the early portion of that that made me feel like it wasn't the answer but again mike also has roman asia as uh

solid allies i do feel like i'm leaning towards mike's though uh the overall think i'm in alignment but it's like truly by a hair yeah it's so close yeah we're sort of hurting at this point with our predictions so i'm more more than happy to take the edge right now while Liana will stew for another week before she trounces me and next week prediction, or probably not because guess what? We're probably going to say the exact same thing. She wasn't even here to defend herself this week. You know what?

That's what happens. Yeah. Any, any final thoughts on Rome? Because again, such a, a monumental character, I would say one of the most unique characters

we have had in some time. Any way we want to send him off besides, again, the hour and a half episode that already did send him off? I feel like these aren't so final thoughts on Rome. I think we'll see him at some point again. Rome was a fun character. I think got to probably live a little past his expiration date in what would have very easily been a pre-Burge boot

and so I had a lot of fun I think that I am like a little sad to lose the character but also interested what the show looks like with like the absence of Rome Yeah, I feel like I can agree that I do want to see more Rome. And that is me saying, I want to see Ponderosa videos, bring those back to untwist it.

Show me the Ponderosa videos. I want to see the group dynamic already before Rome even was a part of that group. But especially once Rome walks in. That's the thing is as much as a lot of us were disappointed to see john lovett go first like i cannot wait for that nda to expire and for john to give like the full dossier as to what that pre-merge group was like and i imagine if we keep going with the jury of eight we're gonna have another person joining it as well which might shake things up even more. If like Genevieve gets voted out, like imagine as chaotic as Lava was having four of them

in the pre-merge group. Like we've heard little drips and drabs from what Keyshawn has said, from what Rome has said, but it's it's it must have just been absolute fireworks until they were all properly dismissed to go back home. Yeah, look, at this point, I feel like the remaining LAVO members, there's a lot of intrigue for all three of them. Genevieve has really awoken in the past couple of weeks and people are excited of what she might do.

Saul's been great, you know, looking for the soldiers to make up their way all the way to the end and watch him, you know, march through the season. And Teenie has, you know, first of all, what a fun episode for Teenie, getting the drinks in at the reward. Yeah, and I feel like they've been, you know,

a really fun strategic presence to watch through the beginning of the season and seeing how they interacted with a bunch of people during the last reward challenge that a couple people came together for. So with all three of them, now that Roman's out of the way and they don't feel like they have to watch an extra person

rather than, you know, just being able to work with people that they want to work with. I feel like it's going to be fun. So I'm just saying, I hope I don't want it to be one of these three that goes next. Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting because it seems like

certainly we are being led down the path of Andy eventually turning upon his tribal saviors in the form of Sam and Sierra. You know, he ends up being the decoy vote without knowing it.

We did not see this, but there's a secret scene of the schoolyard pick and Andy is not chosen. Like he is given a team by default, but he's trying to play this up, right? It's like, they think I'm this wounded bird a la gay, but I'm a wounded snake where, yeah, maybe I'm in a little bit of a lower standing

than you may think. But like, once you get me in a good enough position, I'm going wounded snake where, yeah, maybe I'm in a little bit of a lower standing than you may think. But like once you get me in a good enough position, I'm going to bite you. You can take care of me all you want to, but I am a snake at the end of the day. So I would imagine that's where we're going next, pending any sort of twist that might be happening. I think the Lavo heat might die down

now that like these three pretty much all get along with each other. They're not going to be sort of saddled with a bit more of a social burden in the form of Rome and there's plenty of cracks on to go that did not need to be manufactured by Rome that I think could also lead to them striking at each other as well for sure so all right let's move into our game this week now gentlemen spooky season is on the horizon here and we have decided to honor it in a little bit of a takeoff on something that the two of you like to do of course if you're a patron of free agents first off become one because they got a lot of great exclusive shit and one of them being a weekly patron pod and one of the things you guys do is you look at uh online surveys about i wouldn't say like

the favorability ratings of challenge players but you look at like uh who should play again etc etc you have scally usually guess the percentages and so i thought it'd be basically in the same neighborhood to do what we sometimes do and do a little bit of a survey ourselves so what i did was over the past couple days i surveyed the members of the survivor fan community with a series of horror movie villains and i asked them to go amongst this list that we'll get into and pick which survivor 47 contestant past or present do they think most matches up that most reminds them of that so the way this is going to work is that i'm going to provide a horror movie villain you are each going to provide an answer of a contestant they will be different and we'll go back and forth with who goes first and basically it's sort of family feud style where the percentage of the votes that person got that's the number of points you get

so if you got one that's 13 you get 13 points and so that's going to add up over all these questions and the person with the most points at the end wins well it's a good thing scally's not competitive i thought about this for a long time yes and that's the thing as well is that we won reasonings from the two of you too and it's also very interesting because it's going back to the classic uh touchy subjects challenge as well right which is okay how do you weigh what you think the answer is versus what you think the majority said that's fair um and i told you this already, Mike. There's a lot of characters here

that I'm not super familiar with, but luckily it ended up being the majority that I do know. So I do feel like I'm at a disadvantage going into this. But the ones that I do know, the ones that are more, how do you not know a Dracula, a Frankenstein? I'm very curious to see what the audience had to say. Well, that's the thing as well,

is it could be a bit of an advantage for yourself too you could be the wounded snake here where scally might come in with a premeditated opinion about who he would pick for a character that you don't know you are coming in with a much more neutral perspective that's true all right well let's start with the first one and yeah we started with some of the classic villains to matt's point start off with some some easier ones here at least from a memorability perspective maybe not for a contestant which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of dracula so matt let's start with you give your answer and why you think that person would be the answer so what i would say for dracula based on like what do you

know what do people know about dracula he wants to suck your blood um now who was on survivor bleeding in air quotes uh very recently sue she wasn't actually bleeding very luckily she was perceived to be bleeding due to the paint um so i went along that line of thinking and i said hmm who wants to suck sue's blood metaphorically speaking um and i said that that was gabe who really wants to work with sue um also compliment to suck someone's blood maybe i don't know um so that's a compliment to suck someone's blood. Maybe. I don't know. So that's where I went. And that's who I would have answered. I would have said that Gabe is Dracula.

You really had me going in one direction and completely diverted it. All right, Scali, what do you think? I'm so torn between two people. I thought Liguri was going with one of my options in sue also because she stopped aging at 45 uh which dracula does not age um so i thought about that but i don't know if the audience is gonna think the same way but i'm looking at the person on the cast who uh both won the bat immunity necklace and has a bat tattoo on his body which dracula does transform into so i'm looking at a kyle looking at kyle okay uh so let's get into it scally you had a very creative perspective

the aesthetics were screaming kyle for bat fortunately the audience was not 4.2 percent said kyle i was thinking him too matt you got the second place answer which was gabe with 17.9 percent of the votes that rounds up to 18 uh the top answer by just a hair with 22.1 of the vote I mean, looking at this picture of Dracula, I can see it. Yeah. It also might be like he has a little bit of that Edward Cullen look to him of like that ageless handsomeness.

Yeah. I know a lot of people who think Sam's handsome. So we'll go with that. And Sam. And Sam. For me? Yeah. sam's very handsome you like sue with the with the paint like oh i wonder who thinks that way all right so a little bit of a lead right now but again these questions go back and forth so anything can truly happen let's go to our next question here which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the

most of frankenstein's monster yes for all you pedantic people out there the monster the doctor was named frankenstein not the monster so we're talking about old bolt head himself scally what he got okay now this is one that i was thinking a little bit more aesthetically so now i'm wondering if uh me and the audience might be a little more aligned. I'm thinking someone who seems, you know, not to be the biggest talker out there, but it seems like a big presence. I'm going Saul. Saul. Okay. Saul for Scali. Matt, who do you got?

So I was thinking in terms of the storyline still and thinking that if, you know, if the monster was created by uh by dr frankenstein to you know do whatever the monster was supposed to do out there i was thinking that uh sam is dr frankenstein and the monster is andy okay uh well we all know the monster is jolinski we saw that last season but matt says andy and matt i can confirm andy commandingly was the number one answer 33.7 of the vote i think a lot of people went along with your methodology and also like uh the whole george costanza thing about him being clumsy as we know frankenstein not the most dexterous person uh scally you had said uh saul saul was the number two and 17.9 of the vote damn so about half of what matt ended up getting yeah well uh third place

third place was kyle i think it's just like that quieter uh you know but bigger presence and then fourth place was sam so i think they were going for very much a size thing as well yeah that makes sense all right next up matt which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of a mummy now this is funny the picture of a mummy here is very funny um i think i again had to I mean, probably the same thought process for all of these, just trying to relate to maybe anything that's happened in the game so far. And I'm like, who's trying to cover something up? And that's Sue. Sue had a lot of paint all over the place that, you know, maybe having some extra bandages all around would have helped to hide some of that some capacity. And, you know, this mummy looks very old, but it's probably at least 45.

And we all know Sue is 45. So. All right. Sue, the mummy, the mom on the tribe is a mummy. According to Matt Scali, what say you?

Ooh, I'm going for someone who woke up from a little bit of a two episode slumber at the beginning of the season and now is you know running havoc all over this beach give me Genevieve Genevieve or Scali okay well Scali the good news is you did get

the number three answer in Genevieve the bad news is Genevieve got 6.5% of the vote as the number one answer was Sue 35.5% of the vote. As the number one answer was Sue, 35.5% of the vote. Liguori. Oh, wait, Mike,

I'm supposed to hide the answer sheet, right? Oh, yeah, sorry about that. Be overthinking, shocking. Second place, 10.8% of the vote. You want to guess who it is? Second place for the mummy hmm caroline ligorio's yeah caroline scali you have a guess uh uh annika john john love it oh okay not a clue not a clue this is where i kind of wish i had

attached like uh please explain your reasoning. I forgot half my other reason. Mummy, mother, like Sue, mother. Yeah. See, mummy, mother, Genevieve. John Lovett, perhaps also a mother in his own right, got 11 percent of the vote. OK. OK.

I almost feel like did Kyle score like top five for every single one of these? No, Kyle was actually pretty low for this one. He got four percent of the vote. OK. I almost feel like, did Kyle score like top five for every single one of these? No, Kyle was actually pretty low for this one. He got 4% of the vote. Okay. All right. Next up, which survivor 47 contestants, Scally reminds you the most of a veil wolf.

Okay. I was trying to come up with someone who had an iconic nighttime sequence on the show. And I think someone who sadly sadly might have uh devoured andy a little bit at night early in the season i was thinking of rachel for the werewolf rachel for the werewolf okay what about you matt i'm just going based on size here and uh saul's a big guy i'm gonna go with saul here okay uh let's take a look here just uh scrolling down a little bit uh saul did get five percent of the vote not enough it is enough because rachel got zero oh we're going back to the aesthetics here gabe number one answer 23.4 percent of the vote he

also had some nighttime stuff as well right with him going down to the beach to look for the idol second place kyle uh i think that's just due to like grooming habits 20.2 percent of the vote third place sam fourth place andy so sam and andy are i guess the most monstrous people on the show scary men uh i guess you know translating to those two unfortunately all right well let's see if the trend holds matt which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of the creature from the Black Lagoon? Now, this is the first one where I'm like, I don't know a damn thing about you. So as I look at like a universal ride about the creature from the Black Lagoon, I don't know. I'm a Disney boy. I go to Universal sometimes, not often.

And yeah, I feel like, you know, when I think of the word lagoon, obviously, you know, water and who is just in the water this week, finding an advantage. I'll probably give this one to Genevieve. All right. Giving it to Genevieve. Scali, what about you? Creature from the Black Lagoon. OK, so I thought about this one for a minute, and I do believe only one of these people work in an area that some people refer to as a swamp um and so i'm gonna go with john love it john love it drain the swamp because there's a fish man there and his name is john love it very creative on your part as was 2.3 percent of the audience yeah you're winning the qualitative war, maybe not the quantitative

war. Genevieve, number one answer, Matt, 15.9% of the vote here. Second was Rome with 12.5%. Makes sense. He wanted to be the only one to go into the water. And third place, Kyle. Again, I think has that sort of

like fish-like form to him jennifer being first place with 15 of the vote tells me that everybody got votes that's insane it's a little bit of a tough one to pin down asia got one asia annika got one all right next up scally which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of the Invisible Man? Okay. It did pull up the confessional chart for this one. Unfortunately, I didn't go for someone that's still in the game. But based on someone who I think was a little less visible uh than probably anyone

still in the game may end up being by the end i went with kishan kishan okay what say you matt yeah definitely you know the same line of thought as to who the invisible uh man would be and if this was a couple episodes ago you know it'd be the invisible woman and genevieve would have gotten it um i would imagine that maybe people just went all the way back to the person who's been probably the least on the season in some capacity from episode count and i'll go john love it here okay john love it uh well so i think both of you had some very similar logic and you both wound up with i believe the number three and the number five uh so matt john lovett got 12.5 percent of the vote and scally kishan got 7.3 percent of the vote and listen i know survivor fans are a bunch of uh what have you done for me lately but the top two responses here genevieve number one at 24 percent

and caroline number two at 22 22 and see i was almost thinking that tiana could be a pick for it because outside of you know screaming excuse me i feel like we haven't seen enough of her story lately so i'm hoping there's more to come but tiana got one percent kyle actually was number three at 10.5 kyle's just all of them he had his little peak in the pre-merge with the whole no of it all and obviously with this last episode but otherwise yeah these are probably the three people that had the least amount of like cumulative air time across the final 13 all right next up let's move to a little bit more modern stuff matt let's see if you can maintain your lead here which survivor 47 contestant

reminds you the most of the baba duke now um we're really getting to the portion of this where i will be exposed for not knowing who half of these characters remaining are if not more uh not a clue what a baba duke is but he's got a face that is very excited, very happy to be involved. I would say happy to be the star of the show is what I'm getting from Mr. Babadook here. And I got to go for that. Okay. Rome, Scali, what say you? Okay. So I was initially leaning to someone who I know the Babadook is about. They will drive you crazy. And I know that was famously ascribed to TK in the preseason, but I don't know if these premergers are getting a ton of votes here.

So I'm going to go to what the Babadook also is known for, which is being a gay icon. And so I'm going to go for Genevieve. Okay. For Genevieve. Genevieve, 2.2% of the vote. Well, we should say that you were on the money.

I think that it's less so about gay icons and more so icons who are gay because John Lovett got 8.8% of the vote. Andy 8.8% of the vote. Andy, 8.8% of the vote. Teenie, 13.2% of the vote. But the number one answer, Matt Liguori, is Rome, 22% of the vote. I mean, look at that face. That guy's so excited. He's pretty animated. Yeah, it's very true.

I don't know. I thought that people would go purely for the aesthetic that Scali was talking about but again maybe it's a bit of a look hey maybe it's the fact that like he did sort of like bother this this poor mother and son to the point of sleeplessness for both of them driving them to the brink of insanity and that was what rome was doing with his tribe members by the end we love the scare the scale of queerness from rome to genevieve with actual queer people in the middle listen there's a reason why it's a rainbow you know it's a whole lgbtq plus yeah parentheses are for rome uh all right next up scally which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of chucky okay i'm Now I'm thinking of two ways.

I think I'm going to go with my initial thought. I feel like if anyone on this island has the personality of Chucky, and I know Liguori just guessed him, but I feel like Rome is Chucky. Like, just an absolute menace. All right. Well, yeah, he was...

Nobody wanted to play with him at the end of the day unlike a chucky doll matt what about you most likely to be chucky see i am coming in here thinking about changing my answer to teeny uh but i think i'm not going to do that i i think my i just got to go with my gut and when i saw chucky in the most loving and uh complimentary way possible i just said caroline oh okay caroline uh again matt coming out of here with like these uh these pieces of logic i absolutely love it it wasn't logic it was okay Well, Caroline did get 6.3% of the vote. Okay, something. Rome got 15.6% of the vote.

But the number one answer... Matt, you should have gone with your head. Teeny, 40.6% of the vote. Just a size thing. Chucky's a doll. Teeny is Teeny. teeny yeah in the name okay i almost went teeny also yeah um last minute i should have changed yeah all right moving on we've got our uh stephen king corner of this survey matt which survivor for 47 contestant reminds you the most of pennywise the clown from

it this is wild um like now i mean you know there's a couple things to look at here of course i know i know the balloon if if nothing else and i'm like um does the balloon have anything to do with any can i can i draw a comparison from uh pennywise and a balloon that is even seen in this picture to anybody on that island um oh my god this is this is probably the hardest one so far um maybe actually hmm maybe i go in a direction that I was not thinking, cause I don't have anybody at all right now. Okay. Um,

so maybe I go back to the Sue. Well, uh, pun, I guess intended, um, and throw Sue's name in the mix because, you know,

we got some stuff going on in the face of Pennywise. And that just feels like Sue. Oh, careful. What, you know, what happens when you throw through Sue's name out there, but all right, face of Pennywise and that just feels like Sue. Oh, careful. You know what happens when you throw Sue's name out there. But all right, Sue for Pennywise. Scali, what about you? All right.

I went for someone who's going to draw you in with a big smile. Pennywise is apparently a little bit of a shapeshifter. Someone who I think presents as a jock but is also like a musical theater boy and is reading, quote, chick lit. So I went with sam okay sam was the number three answer at 12.5 percent of the vote sue 5.2 percent of the vote

uh but this one you know it's sort of the the prevailing strategy perhaps of the past few jgr just guess rome rome number one answer 27.1 again and then gabe number two 15.6 percent of the vote so i think it's like these uh two chaotic elements right the jokesters that are laughing it up behind the scenes but causing a lot of turmoil for others uh land as the top two uh genevieve and sierra get the same number as sue here as well genevieve and sierra wow i mean i've been waiting for sierra to pop up in some way maybe the next one but we'll see let's see which survivor 47 contestant scally reminds you the most of carrie all right well this one i went for who has literally just been quote covered in blood on survivor and so uh you know wasn't

pig's blood but i'm still gonna go with sue here all right that low hanging fruit uh matt which non-number one answer do you want to pick for Carrie? Because, yes, that was definitely the number one. It's funny because, of course, that's an obvious way to look at it. But like the first thought that I had looking at Carrie's expression as she looks out to everybody looking back at her was Annika. Just given the tribal council, given how all that and as just her standing there staring back at everybody being like wow like look at me and look at you yeah so that that is some i think that is some sound logic and i certainly heard some people as they were filling out the survey mentioned that that i think the kind of like vacant stare and wanting to burn your enemies

with fire which is quite literally the climax of carrie does translate to annika annika got 10 of the vote sue got 25.8 uh below her genevieve maybe it's the idea of like her bathing in her enemy's blood or something or like she suddenly awoke much like carrie's uh psychokinetic powers did caroline 14.4 and you were waiting for Sierra. Sierra fourth place, 11.3%. Okay. Interesting. I definitely had the same. I had the same thought with Annika.

That's where I would have gone if you had picked Sue first. All right, Matt. One, two, this answer's coming for you. Which Survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of freddy krueger i feel like i have two options here um and they're pretty common answers that have come up so far um i'm thinking gabe i'm thinking kyle i'm just not sure which one i'm gonna land on um i guess ultimately i'll lean kyle for reasons i can't explain

okay the inexplicable answer of kyle for matt scally what about you all right i'm trying to spread the wealth and i feel like someone who people can't stop thinking about they're haunting their dreams i feel like tiana is living in people's head rent-free throughout this season, so I went Tiana. All right, your logic, Tiana, living in a lot of people's heads, not from an audience perspective. Tiana got 2% of the vote.

Matt, you guessed Kyle, who got 8.5% of the vote. Number one answer, how many times do I have to keep saying it? Just guess Rome. Rome is number one, 14.9%, but only by a sliver. Sam, second place, 12.8% of the vote. And Gabe, third place with 11.7%. I mean, it does make sense.

You know, the whole entire conceit of Freddy Krueger was that he was someone that kind of haunted you in your dreams, kept you up at night, a constant tormentor. Again, Rome definitely service seems like that. I'm not sure about the Sam comparison personally, but you do you 12 by 12.8 percent of the votes. Do people all think Freddy Krueger is handsome? Is that what's happening? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

that what's happening beauty is in the eye of the beholder i suppose i love the people that just opened this up and checked rome for every answer and hit i think i think a lot of people did that there's a non-zero chance yeah that some people had told me like oh there were so many to put rome down for uh so i don't know maybe sam he has a little bit of like a wolverine look going on on the the island. And Freddy Krueger does have an infamous set of claws that he uses to exact his kills. I'm trying to assign logic here to essentially a logicless survey, but there we go. So next up, Scali, we talked about Freddy. It only makes sense that we talk about the other side of that ambitious crossover event. Which Survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th franchise?

Okay, now when I was trying to go here and ascribe each character or one person from the season to each character, I ended up putting Caroline here, like quiet, but kind of unstoppable. A lot of people are starting to look at her as a viable winner. I ultimately don't know that the fans are coming out in the droves to say caroline should be the next jason um so i'm gonna go with a safer pick and let's pick sam sam okay i love these swerves that you guys are doing keeping me on my toes all right matt what about you you know i think i'm learning something and i think i'm also going to go with the safer pick and just pick rome okay you picked rome gotcha that's the one time you should have picked rome on a plastic switcheroo halloween style there we go rome got 2.1 percent of the

vote because here's the thing about jason vorhees he don't talk he don't say anything and uh sculpts his kills so yeah rome is quite the opposite scally you went with the traditional pick in sam sam did finish in second place 12.8 percent of the vote okay number one winner 26.6 percent of the vote saul what you think doesn't make sense all is like a little more compared to like the fervor that Freddy Krueger has, Jason's a little bit more methodical, a little calmer. Saul talks about all the times he had to meditate

out there because of Rome's presence around him. So it does make sense that the way he kind of just walks through life is a very Jason Voorhees way. I don't know if that's an insult at all. I can see it. i definitely see it all right you know good for second place but i think that a high confessional count might be hurting it all right moving on here now we're uh we're flashing to some more uh modern day

quote-unquote villains here matt i'm intrigued to see if you get this reference which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of samara from the ring i feel like anytime i've heard of the girl from the ring i've never heard a name attached to it so you know again learning things today that's great um i am gonna go with somebody here who has not come up yet i don't think in an actual answered way so now i'm trying to be strategic about like we're at the bottom of the form who are we looking at that hasn't been picked yet i'm gonna go with someone scally did guess earlier and say rachel rachel okay what about you scally okay see now i have seen the ring i feel like someone who seven days later is staring at you from the TV screen and almost is imposing on you was standing there silently in front of you.

I went with Anika this time. OK, you guys got the number one and two answer. You absolutely killed it here. The God of Girls end up finishing first and second. and second unfortunately scally rachel was the number one answer 31.6 percent of the vote to annika's 22.1 percent of the vote not sure why maybe it's honestly because rachel has paler skin and samara is a girl who lived in a well uh or was thrown down there and haunted it number three genevieve and number four caroline number five asia all right all right well i guess if we were looking for thrown in a well we could have gone with rome uh yeah i honestly thought

that rome would be a much bigger share but no he ends up getting two percent once more i think they really went for like matching genders with this one because to your point samara matt is known as the girl from the ring first and foremost that's all i know so if it's gotten to me there we go all right scally which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of the predator okay now for the predator i went with someone that i feel like it's taking a lot of glee in hunting for sport here uh someone who has famously talked a couple of times now about how much they love blindsiding people. And I went with Andy for the brand D.

Okay. As the predator himself, Matt, what about you? Hmm. Guy looks strong. Looks like he could, you know,

uh, really tackle a uh first journey of the season and push asia out of the way to make sure he gets uh what he needs out of that opening challenge there so i think i'll go tk see if all right love matt saying gone but not forgotten in the form of tk and it was the right one to go for here as you land a knockout punch a tko 37.6 percent of the vote is tk i mean also uh to be candid i've seen the predator comparison a bit with russell swan as well i think like guys with braids uh the predator sort of has that look to him so tk yeah ends up being the resounding number one here number two is saul i think it's that idea again of sort of being like a uh in the background predator uh unfortunately scally andy

3.2 percent of the vote okay well they just don't see the vision yeah exactly uh gabe game number three with 11 percent uh which also makes sense because he's doing things behind the scenes all right final few here and uh let's at all be candid without giving away the numbers it's not exactly competitive it's garbage time as we like to talk about in uh football terms but we'll throw some points here so next up matt which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of the xenomorph the main antagonist from the alien franchise you know i'm really starting to get to the most of the xenomorph the main antagonist from the alien franchise you know i'm really starting to get to the point of wanting to beg you guys for clues about like what these people do and where they you know anything about them because especially

this picture i'm just like i'm not getting i'm not i'm not sure what you do i'm not sure who you are i'm not sure your intentions your motivations i see some sharp edges uh you know some some pokey snatched yeah yeah um so like who's pokey uh who's who's sharp who's really sharp out there i'd be afraid to get near um that's not the reasoning here but i haven't really gotten a uh a good one in for tiana yet so i have no idea tiana according to matt lagore tiana the most pokey out of i mean look she's really not she says excuse me she's so polite but i don't know all right scally what about you okay i went for someone who i feel like the xenenomorph is like acting on instinct, you know,

and trying to go with their gut. And I went Sierra here, but I don't know how that's going to go. Scali, you did get the number two answer with Sierra. Not a clue why. I think you described probably a better logic behind it than a lot of people who did this.

This was far and away the most evenly split answer ever uh so everyone pretty much got like a little bit of a slice of the pie number one was genevieve with 10.1 percent tiana did get 6.7 percent as well so again uh it's tough you know i think the alien queen is a mother and is mother. So again, maybe that's why Genevieve is the number one answer. Also, like, again, kind of like skulking around behind the scenes, making her kills so that no one sees it coming. Next up.

I don't want to ask Matt what his favorite scary movie is, but this guy certainly does. Matt. Oh, no, I think it's scally this time which survivor 47 contested reminds you the most of the ghost face killer from scream oh see i thought that the amulet trio of andy teeny and caroline would be such a fun reveal as a ghost face at the end of the movie especially like teeny votes out andy and it's like yeah so just catch up you know the scream franchise definitely uh could use you know uh i don't know bring them in but i was looking at someone who most the movie

you're like rooting for this person and they seem so nice and they're just another character who you don't necessarily need to be worried about but ultimately they're a killer and you didn't know it and that's why i went asia asia okay asia as ghost face here maybe a late halloween costume idea for her matt what say you i can't say asia too that was my answer that was the one i felt the most confident about in the whole damn board. Really? What was your logic behind it? Well, when you take off the ghost face mask, you never expect or, you know, in theory, never expect who's under it. And like, that's like the whole thing. That's why all of us, you know, went into the season so excited. Not just because no Asia, because, you know, it really seemed like she could be somebody that takes off the mask later in the game and is like, hey, got all of you.

seemed like she could be somebody that takes off the mask later in the game and is like, got all of you. So, you know, with that robbery aside, both in this game and in that game, my second pick would have to be Sierra. Sierra. OK, Sierra did get seven percent of the vote. Asia did get. And again, maybe you're lot to maybe it's not 8.2 percent oh it's another pretty evenly split one number one is andy with 13.3 oh you know that makes sense make a lot of sense by like oh it's that character that was there that was there the whole time he didn't realize that he was actually the killer uh number two was tiana as well okay yeah and i should we should have thought andy because he's just you know like oh that was so much fun to blindside and get the kill in

he said it like twice in the episode so yeah once privately and once publicly as well yeah all right last but not least i've asked you guys uh before you came onto the podcast if you wanted to play a game and this guy likes to ask that question as well so leave us back to matt here which survivor 47 contestant reminds you the most of jigsaw from the saw franchise i think um i would be remiss to not use the final opportunity here to you know one more time just guess room okay jgr at its finest Scali what do you say okay now I feel like you know who on this cast is most going to uh almost like in a sick way enjoy making people play games for their lives and just like really wants to stir up chaos uh and toy with people and I feel like that's Gabe all right Gabe was the number one answer with 16%

of the vote and Rome was number two as well with 10.6% of the vote number three Keyshawn with nine points pretty good as well right like he was the guy that wanted to live in chaos and want to live in disorder and stir shit up as

well but was also tied with teeny and Sue Teenie I guess because Jigsaw is represented usually in the form of like that little doll so I guess Teenie was sort of the blanket answer there that's gonna do it for the survey so

the good news Scali is you ended on a high note you got the number one answer double or nothing right exactly though you would have like barely won if it was double or nothing right exactly though you would have like barely one if it was double or nothing because the final score was scally with 167 Matt with 285

yeah that happened you netted a couple of those really big ones Sue is the mummy was a big example of that I think scally was going for some more out of the box picks that ended up netting like 2% every time. I mean,

it's been a lot of competitions we have on the podcast, so I will gladly take this one. You know, I'm actually looking at our draft because we, we drafted these players before the season as well. And you know, not to jinx myself, but I do feel decent about the team that I have left.

So I'm hoping that, you know, between this, it gives me momentum into our draft too. Not to cross the streams too much, but what are the teams currently at this moment with six people booted? Scali remaining has Tiana, Kyle, Rachel, Sam, Genevieve, and Sierra. And then I have Andy, Teenie, Gabe, Saul, Caroline, and Sue.

Okay. So it feels pretty even, to be honest. It feels pretty even, yeah. I mean, I think not to, like, do too much edit rating or anything, but, like, trying to figure out who are the possible winner candidates at this point. I mean, it's the new era,

so things are definitely more thrown into disarray. But I think from an editing perspective, like, you both have pretty balanced between some of the biggest characters in the moment. Yeah, I mean, look, for BB26, he had the entire final four. So I'm already feeling better. Nowhere to go but up.

Yeah. All right. Last, but certainly not least, as we do every week here on the B&B, I throw it over to our guests to give a charity or cause that they would want to highlight this week for the listeners. And once again, in the spirit of being charitable for charity, you're each going to give one.

So, Scali, let's start with you. What do you want to highlight? I'll go with Room to Grow. It is, I don't know if it's New York City based, but they definitely have a New York City operation in which they help with expense, uh, expected parents who, uh, need a little bit of help in, uh, you know, getting stuff ready to have a child. So room to grow. All right. And Matt, what about you? Um, this house regularly makes some donations to the Trevor project, uh, you know, a well-known in name out there, um, you know, providing support for LGBTQ plus individuals in all aspects. And we were talking about a lot of gay icons here today.

So it's pretty fitting. And in addition to that, if I may, go vote. Pretty important week to make sure you're doing that. Get those early votes in. Make sure you talk to the people around you and make sure they have their voting plan. I think we all know it's a thing, but it's one thing to know that you got to do it and one thing to get out there and go do it. So make sure you're doing that.

Yes, very valid. Don't be a no vote Kyle here. Make sure your voice is heard. This was such a pleasure, guys. You filled in for Liana, astoundingly so. Went above and beyond. You answered a bunch of nonsensical questions on the survey, provided your your insights into the season so far. This was a lot of fun.

And of course, if people don't want to miss out on the dynamic between you two guys, you have plenty going on, not only on free agents, but really across not only podcasts, but other forms of the Internet as well. Scali, what would you like to plug for the listeners out there? but other forms of the internet as well. Scali, what would you like to plug for the listeners out there? Ooh, well, people should go check out the Free Agents podcast talking about the Challenge Season 40 and House of Villains Season 2.

And then outside of that, anything I'm doing is on Twitter at Brian underscore Scali on Twitch at twitch.tv slash bscali talking about the Traders Canada, which has been a super, super fun season over on We Know the Traders. So check all that out.

And Matt, what would you like to plug? In addition to the Free Agents podcast, again, come check us out. We have a lot of fun talking all things reality TV, mostly the challenge, but everything. Check out the Dancing with the Stars coverage happening over here on RHCP on the We Know reality TV feed. Mike was with me a couple of weeks ago and we've been having, you know, a lot of fun along the way. We are going to be joined this week

by America Lopez to be talking the latest episode. If we want to keep the Halloween theme going, it's Halloween week over on Dancing with the Stars. So come check out all that coverage with myself, Sasha Joseph. And again, this week, our guest, America Lopez. Last week, we had Amon on to talk Disney night.

And speaking of Amon, myself and Amon do a Big Brother related podcast called The Diary Room, where we are trying to find the best player in Big Brother history by taking years to go through a bracket, six players at a time and narrow that field down. So check that all out. I'm on Twitter at Matt Liguori. And Mike, thank you for having us it was uh so much fun yeah the pleasure was all mine and uh yeah matt nothing on tuesday will scare me more than alan

as that donkey in last week's episode absolute nightmare he got ahead of uh he got ahead of himself with the costumes which you can check out in all its nightmare fuel glory at a mike bloom type on social media which is where i am everywhere including including on my cameo. As for stuff I'm doing, of course, I got the chance to talk with Rome, which was very fun. Rome, again, certainly did not mince words when it came to his thoughts on everything that happened, including Kyle, all the

chaos going on on Lavo, including him revealing that apparently that Kishan Tribal Council went live at a certain point, where Rome just starts pulling people aside and whispering to them to make sure that he should steal Keyshawn's vote and vote out Keyshawn. And also obviously also responding to the edit and other players perceptions of him.

I thought it was a really great conversation to check all of that out. I'm also doing exit press for the challenge for the mass singer as well on occasion. And then over on the scripted tv side of things i'm finally on my bsgbs continuing battle star galactica with josh wiggler on up down the hatch i'm covering the penguin grace leader i am doing uh we did tv for real with sasha joseph and j maya which was really great conversation so if you're into scripted tv and you're into survivor 45 check all of that

out or just stay here for the bnb next week liana will be back we'll be bringing on a guest once more to talk about whatever's going on next week uh not to say too much but press releases are teasing that they may not be out of the woods just yet with like a nice clean post merge so we shall see what's coming again just, just like a scary movie, right? You thought that the killer was done, but the monster is always hungry. But no matter what, we'll be back for another serving

next week of the B&B. Thank you all so much for listening. Send us game ideas. RHAPB&B at gmail.com or hashtag RHAPB&B on social media. Special thanks to everyone who filled out this survey as well. Whatever logic you wanted to use,

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