RHAP: We Know Survivor - Mike Bloom on Club Condo Survivor 47 Ep 13

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Club Condo is back, and it's time to dive into episode 13 of Survivor 47 with special guest, Mike Bloom.

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So did I full tilt boogie at the sanctuary? You could full tilt boogie at the sanctuary. I don't know if you did or not. Oh, I did. Yeah, that's right. We're back for a Club Condo. yeah that's right we're back for a club condo and we are just under 48 hours away from finding out the winner of survivor 47 i'm rob cestrino back here for all the fun in the world of survivor here with my co-host bring him to the final three it's Chappelle hey what's up Rob

we're almost to the second half of the finale we started it yeah a little breakity break until we come back and find out it's like we went to go see Wicked right and then we have to wait a whole entire year to see the rest of Wicked

but I feel like maybe this is a little bit more like Wicked than we expected, because it feels like everybody's kind of already decided how this ends. We already know how Wicked ends. I mean, I think you could Google it, you know, but I think right now everyone's kind of talking about this finale as we're just going to get to the rest of the Rachel win. And I don't want to talk that through with you today. Chappelle, did anybody do any sort of like a redub of Wicked with Genevieve and Rachel when they're talking about that they're the two people that can't get along? Oh, I'm Glenda. I'm Elphaba. You know, whatever. I don't know.

I saw the song on Instagram. That's a thing people do. I'm sure it's out there. All right. Well, if anybody knows knows it's this man of course he's one half of the survivor bnb of course uh you know him from his work covering survivor parade.com of course uh the guy who knows everything mike bloom everything. Mike Bloom! Rob! That is one of the nicest compliments you've ever paid me.

I mean, Shabazz, do you know anybody that knows more things than Mike Bloom? Not important things. You're literally a know-it-all. You're saying that I know everything? If Mike Bloom ever went on the show The Floor, they would have to cancel the show. Yeah, like stop it.

I think they'd have to cancel it for a number of reasons. Yeah, I definitely would be canceling that show. Mm-hmm. Yes. Well, to answer this question, of course, because I've been chomping at the bit.

So 100% Rachel is Galinda. She dropped the A in the form of Annika and then really assumed that identity. And Genevieve is Elphaba, right? It's this idea that initially she has this hardened exterior. You take a look at her on the outside and you're like, wow, she presents this very stately presence, is able to make a lot of magic happen. But you explore a little bit more of her behind the scenes and underneath that green skin, perhaps that purple edit.

There's a human underneath. And, you know, we'll be ending this season quite literally for good next week. And unfortunately, they're not endgame material. OK. All right. Mike, so nice to have you here, of course, for our traditional pre finale podcast as we are ready to go. How are you feeling going into the survival 47 finale? It's really interesting because, of course, this is a time, as is usually the case with the end of the year anyway, to kind of take

a look back at what we've been experiencing for the past now 13 weeks with this extra week added on. And there's always also been a lot of discourse, especially now that we're nearing the end of the season. And to Chappelle's point, we're starting to, some of us at least, put the cart before the horse and say like,

all right, when Rachel wins, how do we look back on her victory on this season? And it's really interesting comparing this to the other season we got in 2024. First off, I will say low key, and maybe this is a setting up for a podcast we'll do in the winter off

season of 2024 might be one of the best calendar year for survivor seasons okay all right remember i mean listen we've got 46 47 and australian survivor times v rebels that's tough to beat in the 2020s at least we ate this year chapelle yeah feasted even you know i i'm very excited to talk about this year in Survivor Because everything Mike is talking about is true You know, the Australian Survivor I didn't even watch Australian Survivor And everyone was talking about it so much

I was like, okay, I gotta check it out And I was like, wow, this is crazy And you would think those high highs would be so hard to reach And don't get me wrong I don't know if they were all reach to here, but we definitely have some great editing in season 47 that made you say, man, it's like they looked at Survivor and said, we've been doing

the same thing for so long. If we switch it up in just these little small sparks, then we can do all this other good stuff with it and make some great TV. The editing has been crazy. The flashbacks, the different scenes where they're thinking back to other people and who we haven't seen.

Kashan's all over the season. It's crazy. They did it. And I've been just enjoying them having fun with the show and what it could be because we like the survivor strategy. That's why we come to watch the show, but make it interesting. I think they've done a really good job this year. Yeah, so that's what's been so interesting to me is really comparing these two seasons.

Obviously, I think people are going to have their preferences as to whether they enjoy the more character, drama, humor-filled stuff in season 46, or whether you enjoy maybe some of the more complicated strategy-forward stuff in season 47. I say this with no maligning towards season 46, but also I don't think it's completely out of pocket to say that I think season 47 has had an accelerated level of gameplay beyond not only season 46, but maybe anything we had seen in the new era. And I think it's almost

like when we had another great calendar year of Survivor, which was CoWrong and Millennials versus Gen X in the same season, actually, where it was like, here is this wacky, over the top, I can't believe this just happened survivor season that feels like a fever dream. In fact, some people passed out from fever in the process. And then here's this like more nuanced, you know, very three dimensional tackling of human dynamics and big strategic complexity is contained there. And it's almost like choosing for me between like chocolate and candy versus what your sweets are but i also do

wonder when it comes to season 47 because i've been reviewing my notes rob i know you re-watched the premiere in anticipation for this week i wonder if if seasons like survivor 46 are kind of remembered as a whole i wonder if we're going to look back on survivor 47 as the sum of its parts where i was looking through all the stuff that happened a lot of stuff happened in survivor 47 stuff that i forgot about remember the survivor social hour where they like did a half mergatory and then they did the actual not mergatory mergatory in the very next round remember things like like, remember when John Lovett, hit podcaster extraordinaire, was on the show for three days

a month before the election came out? That feels, for some reason, ages ago, because I think that we've seen these characters and storylines kind of come in in fits and starts. And getting to remember back through this season as sort of a catalog of moments has been a really interesting way of processing the story as compared to 46 or 45, which I feel were a little bit more cohesive. Yeah, that's interesting.

So I wonder if that ties into our discussion of like how this season comes to an end, because it does feel like that we are headed towards a Rachel win coming up on Wednesday night. I think that probably just about any fan feels like that that's the most likely scenario. And of course, you know, things can happen and people that we thought were likely winners didn't end up winning. But that's how it seems like it's going. One of the things I had said that I had wanted to do coming into this podcast night was i had wanted to go back and watch the premiere of survivor is that because of the name drop of the podcast which also remember when that happened remember when rob had a national television i do remember that that happened but no uh it was not to go back and hear the words rob as a podcast said on survivor by asia i mean but it was so cool that it happened rob it was cool that i was like oh yeah remember

this this happened that it happened that's the thing when the season started off we we had such high hopes for the season because we had our people on there and he's on there asia's on there there's an rhap on the show like what is this what is what are we doing and then it just evolves into something that i don't think any of us could have foreseen happening i mean even they i mean they they cut us like asia you know her story time short here on survivor 47 and i thought i'm not gonna like this i can't watch this season again i legit was like if i ever watch the episode again it'll be too soon like it's not happening but now i'm like man this season is actually really good.

And I feel like you had to get rid of Asia in order to let these other people kind of flourish. Let these other people breathe a little bit. Yeah, because she would have just sucked up all the air. Get off their neck, Asia. Yeah, you know, her power, her power. Because it would have been the story of RHAP all season. But instead, we got so many other compelling stories as well. I think Mike's right. This one's going to go down in the books for, like, but instead we got so many other compelling stories as well. I think Mike's right.

This is going to, this one's going to go down in the books for like why Survivor is so great. I've seen people talking about Survivor 47 that I've never seen talking about Survivor before.

I didn't know anybody was like the people outside this community. They're just like, hey, have you seen the Survivor show? This is so good. This is the perfect time

to jump in. My new motion on Blue Sky that everyone can join me in on is trying to bully Alan Sepinwall into catching up on Survivor. Oh, wow. He randomly responded to a post that maybe we'll get into later on in this podcast. He's like, I haven't watched this Heroes vs. Villains. And I'm like, I wonder if we could try to get Alan Sepinwall

to watch 27 plus seasons of Survivor. Well, I think the move would be, this would be the pitch. And of course, you know, big Sepp and Wall head myself, can't watch one season. Can't watch one, can't watch one season. Isn't that, yeah. As opposed to, you know, watch 27 seasons and check in. To hear where, like, from coming in from 20 to now.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, that seems good. that's a good one if we make a binge we might lose them at one world you know we might lose in that redemption island there's a yeah there's a few i don't know this man's been hardened in the trenches of watching bad television for decades at this point although one world didn't hurt anybody it hurt me he complains about good tv mike he complains about good tv, Mike. He complains about good TV. Imagine what he's going to say when he runs into Island of the Idols or, you know, Edge of Extinction.

The man is going to he's going to write. He's never going to get to the 40s. Jump right in at 47, Alan. Come join us. Come join the party. It's a good time. OK, well, going back to the beginning of Survivor 47, I had a couple of interesting takeaways from my rewatch. Actually, I tease this in a podcast that I did over the weekend with Drew Basile.

That was a great podcast. A lot of nice feedback that came in on that one, if you have not heard that podcast yet. But I was really interested because I have been thinking about this of, I feel like that Rachel, the player, we have come to know well in the post-merge game. Rachel, the player we have come to know well in the post merge game. But Rachel, the person like I feel like has been very underdefined by the show. I mean, I don't disagree. I don't know if that's necessarily been a feather in a cap of, oh, he's not going. She's not going to win at this point, because even looking at last season, I mean, Kelsey

Kenzie sort of like tragic backstory of that. She has basically been a hustler since she was 18 years old. Also didn't come up for the finale. And that was also could have arguably either been something extraneous or they had to put it in because that was a large key indicator as to why certain people gave her the win. So I don't think it's, it's necessarily something to write her off

entirely i mean i would also say like even sam like sam gets a little bit of stuff at the beginning with the glue guy in the premiere but for all we know it could happen you know later on that rachel talks about i think what going growing up in in uh beijing i think with her family or something like that she that she told me in the preseason that we'll just have two hours in the in. We've got plenty of time for it. I went back and I watched this, and in the new era in particular, and I think really

through all the seasons, the winner is always present in either the confessionals that happen on the way into the show, and we heard like in going back, I was paying very close attention to this. We hear voiceover at the start of the season.

I think Gabe gets the first voiceover. You don't see his face, but he says that he wants to be one of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of the new era. I think you hear Asia talking about she's going to forge her new path. And then we cut to, you know, then we see people on the boat the first confessional

we see of the people coming in on the boat chapelle is sam i'm gonna be a wolf in wolf's clothing out here and i said at the time that's a winner quote that's that's a that's a winner quote you know and uh i think he's not wrong. I think, you know, for us, people are starting to say, well, what has Sam really done? You know, since the merge, since he loses Sierra, what has he actually accomplished prior to Operation Italy, of course? And you can give a lot of that credit to Andy. But that's the thing. They're still saying he's a threat because he's a wolf in wolf's clothing. He cannot walk around and not be a threat.

So I think you're right. There are definitely some winter quotes and some things that we learned about Sam and some of the other people that we just haven't learned about Rachel. But to Mike's point, we got another two hours of finale left. Let me just make my point about the premiere.

Because the winner, and I didn't double check this on Kenzie in season 46, but the winners, the winners, we, we tend to see them early. And I, and I can't recall a time when we don't see the winner early.

Now, again, maybe this is the first time that they're changing up the meta. We go to, we also, we get a confessional from Sue that she's going to win the game. I love this one. This is going to be very fun.

I'm 59. She's going to get to the end and say, I'm 59 and I beat all your asses. Could be foreshadowing for Wednesday. And I would love to see the reaction to that because I do not think it will be the one that she was intending when she said that 26 days ago. Okay. No, not at all. But go ahead.

Then, okay. And then we get to the on the mat okay and this is like we hear this is where even gabler is talking about like uh we birthed the yeah when my when my kids hatched they were watching survivor right uh even gabler we we heard matt chat from gabler to open things up. And we hear on the mat, Jeff talks to Gabe. He's a grinder man. Jeff talks to Teenie about Teenie's clothes.

Jeff talks to Andy about how Andy was a poser and is afraid of weed. And we talk to John Lovett. Rachel's Rachel is not heard. Rachel does not get a confessional until after the challenge where Rachel talks about how it was the best moment of her life and talks about how it was a group effort winning the challenge. So we do not hear from Rachel until, you know, probably about like 30 minutes into the premiere.

I hear you. into the premiere. I hear you. And I think that to me, that's less of an indicator than what you've been saying on past podcasts. It was that we don't know anything about Rachel.

You know, like the premiere, the premiere is one thing because had Genevieve been in the Rachel spot, no one would be saying, oh, well, I don't think Genevieve's going to win because we didn't hear from her.

But Genevieve was people's winner's pick after episode three or four, you know, but in episode one, I don't even think she gets a confessional. Episode two, she might have been there. Maybe one. You know what I'm saying?

But we know nothing about Genevieve through a few episodes. I think for me, it's less about the amount of content Rachel got. And there's no personal content. Mike was talking about just now that Rachel grew up in Beijing or whatever. Let me clarify, Bangkok, she said that she was born in Thailand. Oh, in Thailand. OK, cool. So in Thailand. But he learned that in the preseason. Like, but since then, we know that Sam was a theater guy. He's a glue guy. He was prom king. He's got he's got a girlfriend at home. You know, Sue, we know that she's a grandma.

She's lying about her age. You know, we know these things. I don't know what Rachel's personality identifiers are as far as the show is concerned. And I think that they've probably done a misjustice as far as like or injustice, I guess, as far as like not really highlighting who she is as a person. They have two hours to do it. And if she's going to win, I think these next two hours are going to be a coronation. But you have a really good point there,in that why if you have a a winner especially a winner who's going to be as dynamic as a character or a player at least like rachel in this end game you would think you would at least kind of like hey introduce them in the first you know minutes of the game and not just have them talking about a challenge so i mean good points

there to be fair yes maybe in the first act, it isn't necessarily hugely Rachel heavy. But by the end of the episode and what I think is so interesting about that premiere is how centric her character is already around the person that we are just going to have talked about had idled out of this game in the form of Andy. I think especially watching the premiere, it is so interesting to see this interaction take place 20 days apart of Andy pulling Rachel aside and just info dumping a bunch of stuff to her that in both cases, she pretty much is like, yeah, I don't know about this dude. You're giving me way too much at the moment,

but I feel like while yes, maybe from a first impressions perspective, quite literally from the first 15 minutes, it might be a little light on that. I still think that when you have a first impressions perspective, quite literally from the first 15 minutes, it might be a little light on that. I still think that when you have a two hour episode, there was plenty of stuff baked in there that I didn't necessarily want to hang my hat on, like the first flashy stuff that they say in the moment. Yeah, and I'm not saying this to say that Rachel won't win or making a prediction. Rachel won't win or making a prediction. I'm just saying that the one thing that's giving me pause about saying that like a hundred percent Rachel is winning is just the fact that,

you know, we have not gotten her personal story too much and she doesn't really get a moment in the opening of the show. And again, maybe the survivor editors are playing with us and they're trying to, you know, stay ahead of the game and maybe that's the reason why they don't do this i'm not sure if kenzie got something in the beginning of survivor 46 i'd have to go back and look at that she got the um she got the confessional before the marooning of like

i've got my heels the club's opening up i'm ready to giddy up okay yeah so condo yeah um and i can't confirm i'm sorry i can't't confirm that Erica had something in Survivor 41. I believe she did. Like, you know, I'm watching like all these like 40 seasons, Chappelle, when we did the countdown. Like everybody has like gets that. Every winner gets that. Famously except Tina. Sure. But it's been a while.

Did Dee get a confessional on that first act of 45? Hmm. I think Dee was talking about her toes. Was that the first act? That was episode two. That second episode. Oh, okay. We have to go back and clock it.

But I'd be okay with that. I think for next Club Con, I might go and take a look at some of these premiere episodes and see exactly what they're doing. But by then, we'll know the outcome. Rob, I love Rachel as a uh game player she's so fun she's so rootable but i will stand here in the minority and say i am rooting against rachel uh i am a sam guy i am a glue guy and uh as far as i'm concerned rachel winning this season means

shannon wins the draft and i just cannot have that I need this snatched from her clutches at the last second and uh Sam do what you got to do take her out I mean she wouldn't be a Sari fan if much like Sari she falls like mercilessly short at the end of just when she thinks it's right in her grasp yeah I I need it I need it because uh Shannon been talking mad trash y'all that's the problem see that the thing. I get in the comments sometimes of the draft and you always hear like, why are you all so mean to Shannon? Meanwhile, we're all complimenting each other. And Shannon's like, no, this is a game. We're all against each other.

I'm like, she's mean to us. So look, she she comes up with this idea for us to do the draft check in. It's completely her idea because she's been reading the edit. She knows like Rachel's getting some content. She thinks she has the winner. It would be so delicious if Shannon loses and I will be the loudest. Y'all will be unbearable.

Rob, you're going to have to shut me down, man. Shannon ain't going to show up for the next draft. What will you do? I'm just going to have to remind everybody that Shannon would be the only person of seven people who have not won a six-person draft. That would be incredible.

And I just think that that's hilarious. And I would have to continually remind her every time because she takes no hesitation in reminding us about average draft placement, about her spreadsheets. She made me late the other day. It's like, Shannon, hey, go ahead and lose so I can throw this in your face. So yeah, now this is officially Sam and Chappelle versus Shannon and Rachel. Oh!

Well, like, how do you see it playing out? Have you made an official prediction? I have not. I mean, you know, I always have a tough time wanting to put a chalk pick in there because also to chapelle's point even outside of the proxy battle that apparently him and shannon are engaging here that rachel and sam are part of this human chess set despite the fact that they played out eight months before all this is actually playing out with these two random podcasters you know you never exactly want to see root for like the most boring outcome. Sometimes you want to when you see people play

this like incredibly dominant game. Like I was certainly rooting for Boston Rob and Redemption Island because we had never seen a returning player win the game before against a cast of newbies. I was rooting for Kim Spradlin just because, again, she played this rather unprecedented game, especially for a women winner. And so I always love the mess and the drama i say that before we

reopen the pandora's box for the second time in 2024 about uh oh the survivor season had the wrong outcome at the end of the day but i'm all for unpredictability i'm all for an entertaining two-hour episode and that's what's also going to make it tough as well. I guess it is sort of win-win in that if it is a rather rote outcome, it will feel certainly deserved to a certain extent. And it'll also be like kind of ripping the bandaid off of like, okay, well at least we don't have to sit there for a full three hour period. But on the other hand,

if all hell breaks loose, that's also going to make for a pretty exciting talk as well. When all of a sudden, yeah, I think that Rachel is a very likely to win, but I think how we get there is going to be pretty interesting i think specifically uh who is going to be uh taking on whom in the fire i think is the most interesting thing going into this finale how do you see it mike well i'm trying to think about now again i think that 46 throughout a lot

in terms of how we can prognosticate between who's going to win the final immunity challenge because sleep deprived Ben was able to take advantage of the concentration challenge. It's typically the weirdest possible outcome that wins these final four immunity challenges in the new era. It's been happening a lot. And this one is actually taking a bit of a deviation from like the typical stand in one place and do one thing like we typically get in the final immunity challenges. There seems to be some sort of obstacles that they're going through. But that could just be a formality for what we got in the final five challenge when it was like, here's the typical stacking bowls and balls,

but with extra steps for some reason of go through some sand and just get yourself covered. And so who knows what's what's gonna happen with that we don't know what's gonna happen with the jury vote like we might think but again 46 proved to us that we know damn all about the way some of these people might vote sometimes but yeah when it comes to the fire making itself because if rachel wins then it'll kind of just be a matter of people trying to kind of catch up to that position by being like, all right, let me throw myself in there so that I at least have some little final

thing, a little final punctuation mark at the end of my sentence that I can claim on day 26. And then if Rachel loses, I think it will very easily become a season 43 redux of, OK, listen, I want to go in there. i want to be the one to say that i defeated the person that i just called the biggest threat in the game two days ago before she saved herself with an idol i'm here to finally sign that death warrant yeah i mean if if you're sam and you win the last immunity and you're like okay i gotta i gotta beat rachel rachel is the big bad here like how do you look at teeny and be like like, all right, Teenie, this is your chance. You know, take out Rachel.

It's like, give me the ball. You know, let me shoot the shot here. You know, maybe you look at Sue. She's always covered in soot. And so maybe she's a fire tender of her own. But I think whoever this is has to be looking at Rachel as like, I have to be the one to slay the dragon.

Now, if Rachel wins Final Immunity, then there's no suspense here at all. So yeah, we're hoping that if I- Oh, you think she might throw herself into fire? I think that she has a big decision to make, I think, if she wins the final immunity challenge. I don't, see, for me, I don't think it's that big of a decision.

So for me, I think that after we saw in this last episode, Rachel's funeral, where all of these people that we're talking about, including Genevieve, who is now gone, they all sit around and just talk about how great Rachel is. This is one of the best rules in Survivor history is having all of your competitors talk about how you should be the winner of the game if they can't get you out. They're sitting around in circle going, yeah, it's got to be her because none of us can beat her. None of us can do anything about it. Look at her. She's amazing. She can do anything. And then she stuck around. I'm not dead yet, she said.

You know, it's like, damn. Now how do you get to the final tribal council? Yeah. And now how do you get to the final tribal council? Like, no, it should be me. It's like, really? Because just a day ago, literally a day and a half ago, you said it was definitely going to be her.

And y'all were voting her out because it was going to be her. So for me, I'm like, Rachel, you've done enough. You know, win your challenge and rest. You're breaking a record even if you win win that last challenge right she tied the record she tied kyle i thought she was breaking the women's she would tie the women's record too oh okay yeah so she's tying a record even i think that that's another feather in your cap now you can argue against it but i think it'd be really hard what do you think she does if so she has to bring so she has to bring somebody to the finals and she has to take to put two people into the fire uh i just feel like man i don't i don't know i mean because

the idea that you bring teeny is like too obvious but like you because you you kind of want your goat sitting next to you a little bit and i don't think teeny's getting any votes over and also if rachel feels like her ideal outcome is teeny and sue then you send Sue in as the ringer to take out Sam. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I do wonder though. I see.

I talked this through on the podcast with Drew. I think that that's actually the wrong way to play it. I think that the right move for Rachel, I think bring Sam to the finals, bring him, let him sit next to you. Because if you let him make the fun that we've seen some juries do some weird stuff. They watch a person make a fire.

And now all of a sudden, Sam, the wolf in wolf's clothing that, Oh, he was such a big threat. How is he still here? And then he makes that fire in front of the jury. It could get tight.

Rachel versus Sam, where Sam makes the fire in front of the jury. I think you bring him. And that's what D did back with, uh, she went makes the fire in front of the jury. I think you bring him. And that's what Dee did back with. She went to the finals. She said, I'm taking Austin. Austin wanted to make the fire. She didn't give him that chance and ends up winning the game.

And I think that that's the best move for Rachel going into this final four. I push back against that a little bit because when you have Austin who was like in lockstep with Dee the entire time who was like I need to beat you so I need to do a thing that will allow me to show that I'm a little bit better than you I'm like that makes sense for Austin and Dee and then last season you get Maria being like when I saw the fire in Kenzie's eyes we're like boom Maria boom boom boom but after 20 minutes when she finally made that fire, I saw it took a long time, but I finally saw some fire in her eyes and damn it, that won my vote. But, you know, I think this season it's Sam who is, who,

who's already identified that you are the one who knocks right. Genevieve and Rachel are sitting next to each other in front of these people in this episode going, you know, we the best. We just the best. So if Sam takes out Teenie, okay. If Sam takes out Sue, and, it's like, who? They weren't getting no votes no way. You know, it's like, no disrespect. I think Sue played a really strong game, and I think Teenie stuck it out, survived.

But at the same time, I don't know if beating one of those people is enough for you to be like, now look at me. I slayed the dragon when the dragon is sitting right next to you now but there is an interesting idea brought up chappelle with a bit of jury management here and maybe you know it could bite her the way it did andy but someone like sue if she's sitting on a jury she owes a lot to rachel there was that scene where rachel finds sue frantic at the well willing to dig her way to china and then sub and be like sue sue sue sue it's okay it's okay i have an idol just so you know and that like in my opinion might have been one of the best moves she made in this episode that included her playing an idol to save herself

getting rid of andy winning a clutch immunity challenge because she locked in sue as her forever vote including if sue ever sat on that jury as well maybe there's a little bit of mental calculus to be done as to like yeah if i sit next to somebody like sue there's a good chance i'm gonna get more jury votes than her but what if i were to send her to the jury as a guaranteed vote for me over someone like sam to be nice i just don't think i just don't think like uh rachel should be that threatened by the fire now of course i could be wrong like rob said we have seen wackier things happen when it comes to the fire and uh i think for for me if i'm rachel i'm like i just need to get there all these people already said it when When I get to the final tribal

council, I'm just going to repeat everything Ye said. Hey guys, remember all the people who said I was that great? Guess what? They let me get to the end. Now shower me with praise and give me all your votes. And Sam's like, but I slayed Sue. It's like, yay. It's like when Sue played her idol. I don't think that's what he would say. I think

that he would talk about how, you know, in the beginning of the game that he was really the person who was out in front and he like Rachel was able to hide behind him. I think he could talk about Operation Italy, which was a move that he came up with. And he was the only representative left as well from that. Yeah, they blindsided Rachel. And it's only because that rachel played an idol that they were able to get him out and that he was you know played a different kind of game he has a couple of friends on the jury also that could potentially go his way so i i don't think he's drawing dead

i don't think he's drawing dead yeah his best case scenario is beating is winning the final four immunity and beating rachel in the fire that's what he needs to do i do feel rachel going into fire making in a couple of ways maybe a because i'd be rooting for what would honestly be like the uh i guess the the lions versus bills uh on paper of like the super bowl matchup of fire makers which would be rachel versus sue like we we hear how Rachel is so good at fire. We now know the origin story of Sue's, uh, orphan, you know, soot covered face.

Uh, so it'd be really fun to see if any of them could break Heidi's record. And then Rachel versus Sam and a dynamic that I really forgot about until I was reading back through my notes and kind of read lit a game. These episodes is this Rachel Sam dynamic, which isn't as complicated as the rachel andy dynamic was not so based from the beginning as it was with andy but like there was that that part of the post merge where they went on a reward together with kyle and they outright have a conversation with

her like i want to work with you i don't know if i can because you kind of blew up my spot the millisecond after i told you not to and so that might mean they face off against each other in fire, or it might mean they face off against each other in the final three. Not to mention they're also part of like, I think that might what might be like the biggest like sliding doors moment of the game to look back on of that Sam and Sierra deciding to keep Andy over Annika and what this game looks like. If Annika makes it to the merge and Andy is out before the merge, I think is a very different game also.

So it's, I love that moment in the episode where it was Andy and Sam and Rachel on the beach talking about how, look, look at us, Rachel's immune, either Sam or Andy is going to go home in that episode. And it was very fun in terms of like where we started this season.

You know, my favorite sliding doors moment is Rachel. The thing that kind of popped off her, you know, her winter run is that whole Saul advantage, you know, that she gets, because that could have very well, like, you know, first of all, she was swap screwed anyway. So she shouldn't have been over there with all those people anyway. But the fact that she was and Saul looked at it and saved her, gave her a new life in the game in a way that we know that Tiana was not going home. Everybody, all the blues have said, like, Tiana was fine. You know, it was going to be Rachel if Rachel had not left. Now, we can believe them. You know, they didn't say it in the moment. We got the will they won't they in the moment. But they're all saying, like, nah, this would have been the end

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and SEC Registered Investment Advisor. View important disclosures at acorns.com slash robpod. So let's talk about Rachel here, whether in retrospect of her win or not, because I know that Survivor Social Media has not been nearly as buzzing as it did

earlier in this year but we got like we got a little bit of a hit did we not with one particular run and runner up so i had to run it up in these survivor social media streets by making a rather bold declaration of course one dominic abate friend of the podcast to the point where uh i believe he was putting out the call to be on the podcast, makes a rather bold claim about Rachel's game Dom went to Twitter and said

if Rachel wins, I will go on RHAP to defend my claim that her game is the greatest ever played. I realize that many of you disagree, so I'm asking you to list three players who did it better so that I can debate the comparisons. And I think somewhere along the way, I think that Shannon, ironically, came up as the person who was going to be debating Tomabate. Wait, what?

Nobody said that was happening. Nobody signed off on that. The survivor Lincoln Douglas debate. Yes. And ironically, Rachel, who help shannon get over the draft hump that uh shannon i think was involved in i don't want to misquote but i think that shannon was uh going to or at least was being recruited to debate against dom yeah look we we have another club condo after the season is over. Maybe Dom is our after the finale guest

to come and talk about Rachel's either win or her untimely demise. But this is a bold claim. This is a bold claim. In true poker player fashion, he's going all in here. Right. And we respect that, Rob. You love a good hot take.

I love a good hot take. And this is extremely spicy. Spicy. Did Rachel play the greatest game ever played is now is that including international survivor as well mike no absolutely not dominic abate knows who a david jetted is until he wants to steal or no deal in your estimation uh who has played the uh greatest u.s survivor game ever played oh can I answer that question with another question? Yes. Because I was thinking about like

to sort of figuratively answer Dom's question. Okay. If Rachel is not the greatest game ever played, then what else can we assign? Is she the blank game ever played? Let me try to fit this

to another type of superlative here. Yeah. By the way, we have a whole survivor superlative segment coming up here later on in this show. So don't go anywhere.

There we go. Love that quick teaser. Uh, is Rachel's game. One of the most entertaining in the new era that we have ever seen. So not necessarily from like a best quality. Cause what it is for me, Vince Gilligan,

when he talked about writing breaking bad always spoke about the process and that they were never necessarily writing for like an end goal for the for the season or for a character it was almost always like all right let's purposely write our way into a corner we should bring this up on the alan sepinwall podcast exactly i'm just trying to like really give him the sound clip to send to him directly and then let's try to write our way out of it let's try to figure out some way to get that character out of the situation and that's kind of has been rachel's story since that moment you were mentioning chappelle and even before that with the annika vote you would say that like she is fairly dead to rights but what

has been so interesting about her game is this variability and no matter what you might ascribe to rachel's game it is certainly not the one that she wanted to play and i actually think her skill set kind of outkicks the stuff she has been forced to do in this game namely win immunities and play idols which i know has been a big fact of discourse over this past week as to oh rachel should be comparable to this person because she only benefited from luck or she only bet it from this Obviously, I think it's far more nuanced than that. But to one of, as much as I say that Survivor 47 has not necessarily been one of like hugely consistent macro storylines,

one of them arguably for the past two months has kind of been coming in every week, Wednesday, 8 Eastern, 7 Central, and being like, how's Rachel going to get out of this one? Yeah. And I think that's been a really entertaining thing for me to watch that is a very different game than anyone has played

in the new era so far so i think i would uh put a little bit of a spin on that because when you say the most entertaining game that that to me i feel like that rachel is like cracking one-liners in the confessionals and i feel like that that's not exactly her game but how would you feel about the word resilient oh resilient is good yeah yeah I like it I mean entertaining it's kind of yeah I would have probably put some pause on that too just because when when I think about the moments of this season Rachel is a big part of a lot of the moments in the season but you know I think Sam backstage saying crafty. Crafty is another good one.

You know, actually, can I I'll change your word, Rob. Resourceful. OK, resourceful. Yeah, that's a good one. Because, you know, and Shannon even tweeted a couple a few days ago, like the best underdog game that we've seen in a while. Right. Because it's like, yeah, Rachel, a lot of these times is not actually doing the thing that is getting rachel through but she's getting through you know like if i was talking about entertaining tanning games andy's game is more entertaining to me than rachel oh i mean most

entertaining games like put like broccoli brad up there even some more short-term players yeah like where you're like coming in every you're like what is going on what is this person doing like even honestly teeny's game i mean it's been ups and downs it's been a roller coaster reggie's game has been very much resourceful it's been an underdog game it's been rootable um and i think it's all of those things but the greatest game ever played i i could debate dom about that one i think dom might have played a better game you know like to this point i also with all due respect to our friends in the new era, I don't know if the greatest game ever played is a 26 day game. Ooh.

Rob said you got to be out there at least a month. At least. At least. Rob, you are credited with playing with one of the more entertaining games of all time. You have a confessional count that has lasted for a very long time. But now we've changed the question. We're not talking about the most entertaining game of all time.

I'm just saying when it comes to entertaining players though, there are people who get a lot of screen time because they are just magnetic television and they do a lot of moves and they have a lot of one-liners and they have a lot of confessionals and they're a big part of the episodes and they're the star of the season in a lot of ways.

And I will push back. Rachel was not the star of the season. This was an ensemble cast for sure. And so Rachel's game was a lot of way and i will push back rachel was not the star of the season there was this was an ensemble cast for sure and so like rachel's game was a lot of things and i think it'll be fun to look at uh you know as we step away from it and it's not we're not so much creatures of the moment because we're all wrapped up in the excitement of what the survivor 47 seven in-game is and what that could mean for somebody like rachel but i but i do think again going back to that resourcefulness like i think we haven't found, if she does win, a player like Rachel in these past seven seasons who, like,

embrace so many different qualities that the new era offers. Mike, I think that the person that is the best parallel to her, and it's a weird one because they're not similar people at all, I think is Mike Holloway. I mean, that's the thing as well, because maybe this is a bit of a hot take and maybe it's like a Mike's

lifting other mics up in the survivor world. I think Mike Holloway's game is actually a little underrated. I think so. Obviously. Yes. There was a point that he had to win out, but what he was able to do wearing that necklace around, knowing that he was safe and able to broker stuff based on that tactical

moves, like, you know, tipping Carolyn out to play her idol on that tactical moves like you know tipping carolyn out to play her idol really putting her you know alongside him until the end game i think that there is a lot of similarities there obviously in that they had to win out when they needed to they were certainly backed into corner at points but i think they also possess skills that put them in a good position up until can i make another comparison i i think that there was there's another similarity that uh mike trying to also had a big moment at an auction but mike mike tried to pull a fast one at the auction and got busted just like rachel tried to pull a fast

one and got busted with the rice yeah i think it's a good comparison i think mike holloway like mike was saying is uh it's kind of like an underrated game because Mike Holloway was the biggest threat on the board bar none and so everybody wanted him out it was like and he walked up on the plot to get him out and then they all tried to gaslight I'm like ah no Mike what are you talking about he's like no I heard y'all saying y'all were coming for me yeah but the thing is Rachel had other people that were also big threats even rachel's talking about how genevieve is a big threat me and genevieve are basically the same caroline's like

no i'm keeping rachel around because nobody wanted to keep mike around nobody did he had to win those challenges he was going home well i think that kyle and joey amazing is a similar uh situation oh boy no well okay kyle let's see if he digs any holes on social media. OK, in that Joe was winning all the immunity challenges. Mike had to Mike voted out Joe because he was because he was a challenge threat. And then Mike proceeded to, in Joe's absence, win all the immunities. Yeah. And I do think as well that because I've also seen, again, a lot of stuff comparing her to mike but also comparing her to ben someone who similarly had to be immune granted through other circumstances besides challenges to get to the end and what i think is the difference even between those two guys is the fact that even

when mike was safe he was still being brought in on plans you know because he was explicitly safe he they were still bringing him in on plots and votes that he could get organized with ben was more so regarded as for lack of a better term a nuisance of like well we know ben's gonna play this other idol but we're gonna do our own stuff in the meantime you know even during like that that big vote where devin flips to turn on dr mike like ben did not get his way in that vote and so i think i agree if we're talking about differentiating between those two games in particular, Rachel was more in the know. I mean, even look at this most recent vote, like that's a classic Mike Holloway thing of, OK, I'm safe and now I'm going to try to corral.

I've got two votes. Yeah, this majority of three, you know, we'll see. Maybe the reason Rachel couldn't give away her personal information is because she actually downed a scorpion off camera in the first episode and couldn't talk that much. Oh, interesting. Okay. All right. Chappelle, I know you want to talk about Teenie. I do.

I do because I've had such a rollercoaster ride with Teenie. At first, I came in. I was like, Teenie is so likable. Episode one, love this Teenie character. And then by episode three, I'm like, Teenie, what are you doing? Stop it. Stop it. Now leave Asia alone. And we've seen just like this up

and down game from Teenie where people at different points are like, Teenie's gonna win it all. Teenie's got it. The social game is out of control. The Teenie truthers. Teenie is one of the best characters we've seen in Survivor in a long time. Because if you can be in a game and be wrong or be duped by

your allies and stuff like that, and still be a rootable, likable character in so many ways, I think that says so much about Teenie and the way the editors are taking care of Teenie and the way Teenie is presenting themselves as somebody that people like to work with. Teenie is getting blindsided left and right. And I also think that's kind of fun, too. I think we don't see a lot of characters who can go from basically episode three to like the end and just be like, no, I think all these moves were probably bad. And, you know, but I still like them and I still would think like I'm not counting them out right now. You know, I'm thinking that we like them at home watching on television. Maybe Teenie could get some votes. I think that, you know, Teenie's also probably been taking this in stride pretty well on social media. I've been seeing a lot

of the tweets and stuff. Seems like a good sport about it, but I also think that, like, Teenie has had a rollercoaster, and I think that for many people at Teenie's age, they wouldn't be able to handle something like this. And so I'm very proud of them and watching them play the game this season. And it's so interesting

because, you know, I was someone that was definitely coasting on Teenie's geniality, their teeniality, if you will, and how much a lot of they were getting on with a lot of people, of course, and talking with a lot of the jurors, you know, Tiana was saying that they, she wanted to bring Teenie to the end. Sierra wanted to bring Teenie to the end. Saul wanted to bring Teenie to the end.

Like it was just this list, which is kind of on paper, exactly what you want to hear as a finalist of like, you had a great feeling about me. And it wasn't like I actively contributed to you getting voted out. That is the perfect equation to getting a vote. But I totally forgot until I was again, looking through the episodes again,

that the very first vote Teenie cast, they purposely did not vote in the majority. Remember this was this like weird scattered love oh we remember mike yeah where teeny had said voted for saul saying i just can't vote for asia i'm partially maybe due to you rob because i'm just too big of an rhap fan i can't do that to asia and maybe that should have been the writing on the wall as the teenies game a little bit you know that unfortunately when you purposely don't put yourself in the majority eventually you do it so many times it ends up actually becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy chappelle uh it was chappelle o'clock for teeny this week i love when survivor players get drunk on survivor it is my

favorite survivor trope. It'll never change. I can think every time it happens, I smile. Rob, you got drunk on Survivor. It's just my favorite people in Survivor history. I think of Davey pouring that beer on his head. Uncle Carl getting drunk, I think, twice in his season. Give Teenie the wine.

Let Teenie play Survivor and just make sure Teenie has wine every time. And we're going to get good stuff because Teenie getting to that moment and getting a little tipsy revealed that genevieve had an idol that genevieve didn't have i loved all of that um yeah bring us more alcohol i know it's not the best thing to give these people but i like it i don't care let them get now let them let their hair down now i talked about this on the bnb this week just how absolutely redonkulous Genevieve's the idol clue was under a pizza slice lie was. But should Genevieve had said this prior to the other trip she would take to the sanctuary? Because just imagine a sloshed teeny

just haphazardly like a bowl in a China shop tearing everything asunder, you know, digging her hands into the stake that they've been provided trying to look for some sort of idle clue under the mistaken belief that clues can be hidden out there in the wild as part of the cutlery not for anything um i don't think it's that crazy of a lie that genevieve said that the uh idle clue was under the pizza we saw saul at the i don't think it was at the sanctuary, but it was on a

different reward. Got the clue to find an advantage. Well, that was, though. Location, location, location, Rob. The clue was in a plant. It was in the foliage. You're talking about putting a regular-ass piece of paper under a pizza

slice that is greasy that's true I didn't think about that sitting out for ages that thing is gonna look like a pizza cellophane it'll be that see through and also Teeny was there eating that same pizza it wasn't that like they each had a plate

with one slice of pizza on it it was like oh I got the good plate with the clue on it no they have a pizza that they're all taking pieces off of. And Genie's like, and there, you mean to tell me that you got the clue from in front of me while I

was devouring this pizza and drinking all the wine? Ain't no way. Ain't no way. I think, was it, I mean, we were talking about, is it Worlds Apart where they have the spaghetti plate? No, that was Zero Zero. Oh, the Ben season Apart, where they have the spaghetti plate? No, that was Heroes of the HHH. Oh, the Ben season, yes. They have the spaghetti plate where it's like, alright, you move the

spaghetti out the way, and then you have the thing, you have the clue. But here, it's kind of like they got to do that off to the side by themselves. You telling me you took, first of all, you're not getting no slice of pizza past Chappelle. That's not a thing. If it was on the pizza, I would have saw it. So, yeah. And you even

get Teenie's reaction. What? Okay, fine. But that's when the wheels start turning. You think, Genevieve cannot be trusted at all, ever, in life. I would never believe a word Genevieve ever said to me post-season, ever. Sorry. I'm going to have to take this one for the rest of my life, because they are playing in your face, Teenie.

Stand up. Mike, did you see the clip of when I asked genevieve about if she was how she felt about about not having to make the fire after she told you she played balder's gate and didn't make practice making the fire it's that canadian riz rob yeah you got did you see that you go you got muscle oh yeah yeah oh of course yeah you're like so you so you agree you think i'm bad at the fire you're like wait i don't are you and in that moment we all felt like we were teeny you know oh yeah yeah head spun around uh just imagine doing that from day one teeny's been with genevieve since the moment they stepped on the beach this lady has been spinning teeny around

in circles since day one i would be like nah get away from me i would have been voting for genevieve regardless of what happened and like you could have genevieve got three idols i don't care i'm still voting for her i can't do it i can't do it no more i can't i can't live like this if it's gotta be me or her i i can't we can't we can't keep determining tomsy teeny yeah right and all around every which way you know so uh the part one of the finale has you know things all a little off our normal pace but we haven't even talked about andy going out of the game this week and he was such a big part of the season uh chapelle what's your reaction to now that we've seen the entire andy story in survivor 47 that there's more story to tell. Bring Andy back. Bring him back. Bring him back.

If so, though, put condoms on all of the challenge props. Right, because Andy's a freaky frog. Freaky, freaky frog, Andy. Stop humping things. Or keep humping things, as long as you come back. Andy was great. I think Andy probably could not have imagined

his story being told like this in such a great way. I mean, he played the season. Then he has to wait for it to air. And he knows all the times where Andy had an Andy moment, you know? And we saw those moments. And then we saw moments he probably didn't even realize he had, like when he was doing all the humping. But to end the season in a way where I think a lot of us were at home really thinking like,

hey, if they let Andy get to the final three, that might be the problem, you know? And he goes out in a way where, you know, everybody was seemingly making the same mistake that he was making. Not counting on Rachel having an idol. He wasn't completely duped or anything like that. I think he had a valiant run and he went out like a robbed god or a goddess or whatever. And so I think that for me, I liked all the Andy content and I would love for Andy to come back. They said somebody from this season

might be coming for 50 and I just don't understand how Andy doesn't get the call. I, first off, adore this man so much and just all the, it's tough because 46 was kind of chaos incarnate, but like Andy was kind of

that little leftover piece, the little piece of debris that kind of blew over from that fire into the forest of survivor 47 and promptly burned it down in the process as well like you have to remember on day three when andy is suffering from heat exhaustion and says jeff i love you they're gonna vote me out tonight and then proceeds to go into an extended rant in front of 17 other complete strangers of like i was going to take podcast host john lovett and slit his throat for everyone to see like absolutely unhinged and then to have this guy sort of you know and not an exact similar mold as emily

plebin but certainly to go from that like negative percent chance of walking out of here with any dignity let alone money to his name and then getting idled out by somebody considered like a much bigger threat than you may and i i'm obsessed well rob this is why i love the preseason this is why i love the preseason well This is why I love the preseason. Well, Mike, can I go back to something from your interview with Andy? Of course, I'm sure you remember. Do you recall Andy's hot take that you asked him? Oh, do I? Because Andy said, and I quote, there is nothing more overrated in Survivor than the hidden immunity idol.

Man, ain't that something? You got E-Tempt's fate with that one, Chlle he did he playing games he playing games like oh the idol actually doesn't change it sir sir how dare you don't ever don't ever take the idol's name in vain they really that'll be here for a long time for a reason okay these block of votes uh these uh not safety without power knowledge is power here today gone tomorrow but the idol stands true okay because it it is the great equalizer for sure no matter what your back is up against the wall everyone's looking you dead in the eye and saying it's you and there's nothing you can do about it yeah and he even got to the point where he's like it's you there's

nothing you can do about it but could you tell everybody how great I am on the way out, please? And the idol came and smote, smitten, smited him. It took him out the game, okay? So, love Andy, but yeah, he was he tempted fate too much. Russ in the chat says, Andy and his hot takes. Boy, this guy's hot takes never seem to

not get him in trouble. And all of his hot takes do leave him crapping his pants by the end of it, that's for sure. I will also say, though, second place runner up in the irony department, Rachel saying idols and advantages in the new era, quote, set you up to fail. And again, considering

how her game arguably had to rely on some things, and I didn't disagree, especially coming from a season 46 perspective where people were so cocksure about the things they had in their back pocket only for them to basically get pantsed in the process. Like, I will be very intrigued for many reasons to see how people in Survivor 49 play as a result of Survivor 47. Because now, you know, 48, we're going to see a bit of a retroactive reaction to season 46 with all the idle stuff. Now, 49 is going to react gonna react to like oh people can play

backwards yeah and they can they can play them correctly oh i gotta be more cautious now and so we're gonna see like a reversion back to being conservative with them yeah yeah when you get your inevitable deep dive with rachel i want you to lead with okay rachel what when when you say advantages are a detriment like what exactly do you mean by that? And talk about how that plays, affecting your game. And I need Rachel to defend that take like Don Mabate is going to defend his. Okay.

All right. Mike, there was some Survivor news that came out today. Did you break this, Mike? I was one of the people to break it, certainly. Okay. All right, Mike, tell me about the news that came out in the

survivor merchandising department yes uh so of course we are encroaching upon the holiday season well good things happen okay you know and a little bit past that maybe what you're feeling a bit of those winter doltrums january hits there's no survivor on for a couple months it's cold in most parts of the world but here's something to warm up your hearts your homes and your brain for i'll put in quotes the first time uh there is an official card game for a survivor as released today survivor the tribe has spoken is coming to all major distributors on january 12th it is a collaboration between jeff probes and somebody has actually mentioned a bunch on the on fire

podcast a frequent uh collaborator in the creative process uh elon lee who is the creator most well known for exploding kittens and all of the other you ever play that my company i haven't played that one i played throw throw burrito i think and that one was a lot of fun yeah uh we have the exploding kittens we got it because jeff talks about it so much uh fun game my kids love it uh i saw the netflix show it's about like some demon that's like inappropriate right i mean not for me yeah yeah no no there's a there's a exploding kittens cartoon on netflix and it is uh it's great yeah all right mike so uh the first ever survivor card game is here so all right i will let me provide a vocal caveat because lord i mean jeff knows there

were plenty of people who understandably responded responded in the comments on my posts about this. Technically speaking, listen, Survivor's been around for nearly 25 years. You better believe basically every single piece of merchandise you can think of has been created. And so back in the early days of Survivor in its first couple seasons, there was an official card game created as well that rob is

currently holding up for the video version of this podcast yeah i have here in my hand the official that according to this now maybe this is like a knockoff survivor trading card game okay uh the two-player starter deck first edition they call it oh so that's an audacious claim yes uh i do believe that there was a uh australian outback version of this also oh that's fun it's like uh when you collect baseball cards of a bunch of players who have been canceled of like oh i'm about to say the worst the worst deck of all time dear god yeah okay so let me see uh this says walk i don't know what these mean it says walk the plank i got one that says change alliance choose the castaway with an alliance symbol that castaway can now change alliances and join different alliance oh yeah so if i recall

correctly this trading guard game was sort of played like the pokemon trading card game where like there actually was a game you could play but but if people were collecting them at the time, it was more sort of like collect different castaways and trade them, which is also a very fun idea of thinking about the gotta catch them all mentality when there were 16 or 32 survivor contestants instead of 800.

I got the Richard Hatch eating dog food card. So, you know. Is that like the blue eyes white dragon of here okay all right guess what guess what card i have okay all right you use the heart of the cards here this is uh snakes and rats thanks rats uh no it's coconut all right mike your turn okay all right guess guess the card give me a hint uh animal vegetable or mineral uh it's a quote it's a quote uh he's fat but he's good no be nice yeah oh yeah i mean it's her final words okay no but look we have so much more material now to deal with in this new card game rob back back back when this card game was

happening there was no immunity idol there was there was barely an alliance okay like it happened once and people were like what an alliance what is that uh but now we have so much you can incorporate into a card game like i think they waited uh well i guess a very long time since the the second edition of this but they waited long enough to where now you got so many different iterations of this thing that you could actually play or actually enjoy this. All right. So what do we do?

We get together, Mike, we have like a podcaster game night playing the survivor card game. I'm listen, don't tempt me with a good time. You just celebrated the 10 year anniversary of reality game masters, Rob. I think it's time to revive it once more because to Chappelle's point,

there are quite a number of features in here. And this is apparently have been like a two-year collaboration, even though Elon Lee has kind of like been, Mike White has kind of been usurped as like Jeff Probst consigliere in terms of production elements. In fact, I believe Elon Lee was one of the people

to advise Jeff that the shot in the dark should be a one out of six chance. Every powerful person needs a trusted advisor named Elon. Yes, exactly. And so I can't wait to see Elon Lee hyping up Jeff at the inevitable press conference they do to

survive for 50. Oh no. Oh no. I don't know. I'm just saying exploding kids,gecoin that's it okay something there but so here are some cards oh you got did you get a sample mike i have not gotten a sample but there is some stuff in a press release that are some features and i'm assuming there's more so first off there are advantages and there are idols that are apart so you you can actually, there is a voting off element, which does harken back to, if you remember,

the Survivor board game, which I had both copies of, play that mercilessly with my cousins. You do vote people out. Yeah. You already grabbed that, Mike? Oh, please. Yes. Let's do a little bit of like a freaking antiques roadshow

on this podcast, you know? I love it here. Go get those Pringles, too, while you're at it. I'm also going to, like, let's do a deep dive, Chappelle, very briefly into the world of Survivor gaming. Do you know a lot about the games that have come in Survivor seasons past? No. You know, I was a Survivor fan, but I didn't know anybody else who was.

And so I wasn't, like, playing. Oh, so you're talking about that one. See, I'm talking. Do you have a different one, Mike? Oh, yeah. I'm talking about the ones that have like the island centerpiece that has a board around it that has Outwit Outplay and Outwit. I think this one really sucks.

There was a, there was a huge cash grab after the first Survivor and they just put a ton of crap out. I'm sure that this new game is actually good and playable, but a lot of this stuff is horrible. So is that like a trivia game, Rob? No, no. This is like you have a bunch of people,

and then you vote people out. Let me give you some of the challenge cards. Okay. Quick immunity challenge. The tribe, it's like a party game. You have people. The tribe who collectively has the greatest number of siblings wins immunity.

Write their names down. Uh-oh. Bad newstonio cromarty is at your party i feel like the only place where you could pull that game out would be like the jonestown massacre like if there's a there's a distinct end goal for the party it's like you don't throw anything out there otherwise people are leaving immediately i'm hearing drinking game you have some guests at your house chapelle okay here's the. Each tribe fills three balloons with water, then has one member stand 20 paces apart. What's a pace? No. From the other tribe member.

On the count of three, toss and catch the balloon. This is not a company picnic. This is a survival game. I gotta go outside? Yeah, I'm not... You can do it in the house. Balloons are not included in this, though.

This is not Minute to Win It. Do you have a tile floor? Okay, quick immunity challenge. Elect one tribe this, though. This is not minute to minute. You have a tile floor? Okay. Quick immunity challenge. Elect one tribe member. The player who is able to balance a book on their heads the longest wins immunity. Okay, now this is just finishing school. Yeah. Take a shot. Take a shot. So to also

rewind back, so Survivor also tried its hand at... Be the first tribe to draw representations of the seven wonders of the world, ancient or modern, will be accepted. Oh, good. I'm so glad they cast that name live. Lord knows I can't remember the Colossus at Rhodes, like the back of my hand.

Is that the Grand Canyon? But if you recall, Survivor threw its hat into the PC gaming ring. Yes, I had that too. I had both editions where you could play as a cast member from seasons one and two or seasons

three and four and you would do a bunch of like flash games and make alliances. There was a Survivor Wii game, which I remember Angela bought for me when we were recording early in our relationship that is so funny because all of them, we can talk about this with this card game, you can represent

some of the castaways on there. Like you can pick someone who's named after a previous player and they do not look like them. We can talk about this with this card game. You can represent some of the castaways on there. You can pick someone who's named after a previous player and they do not look like them whatsoever. Oh, you said we. We, like Nintendo Wii? Mm-hmm. Not the communal Wii. Not the me and the Wii, as Michaela would say. No, I was just like, what is a Wii game?

I got one more challenge for you. Have each tribe fill up... Have each tribe member fill a pot of water and bring it from the bathtub to the kitchen sink without spilling a drop if you spill go back to the tub and start again that's a sweat challenge the other tribe starts at the kitchen sink and brings their water to the tub y'all trying to make a mess. Hopefully you're renting when you play this game and this isn't your house. This is ridiculous. No, this is why this game was a flop.

They were onto something though and we have all of these amazing RHIP live shows where we get these patrons together and we do communal things like play. I heard people were going to do a squid game and people were playing blood on the clock tower. We get this new survivor game. You know, we could throw some shots in there i think i might yeah do you think that dwight

moore will let some of the patrons come to his apartment and fill the bathtub with water and fill the sink with water yeah you're the washer woman so you have to bring the water to the clothes so but like what do you win if you win this challenge? Immunity, Mike! Immunity! It's the immunity challenge. People complain that the challenges aren't big or grandiose, but listen, they could be a lot worse. So suffice it to say, there's not a lot of water balloons being thrown in this modern day version,

but there are some cards that you can play, which include reward challenges, quote, which require you to scheme and strategize with the other players. There is a card called, and I kid you not, Sorry For You, which blocks opponents from stealing your cards. I guess it's sort of like the Xander Knowledge's power,

no, but you can have this fake. And a Spy Shack, which lets you peek at any player's hand and steal a card. Okay. We'll check it out we'll get this will survivor ever make a good game i remember was it last year or two i bet this game is gonna be good game the computer game yeah if i mean if uh elon lee is working on this like i bet it's gonna be a good game so now shall we talk about what has maybe made the rounds alongside

parallel to the news about this which is as part of this game much like that will be gotten we game back in the day uh not to be confused with the we that you take after you carry all that water back and forth you're not drinking the water i mean they don't say that you can't if you have to bring the water back if you drink it down that you can't. If you have to bring the water back, if you drink it down. If you spill one drop, you have to go back. So then if there's no drops in the pot, you say I transported the water across just in my belly. But you can play as a previous survivor player.

It's a game for three to six people. But you are taking up the avatar of a previous you play the card game as a previous contestant how does that work well i don't know if there's like a token so we could talk about this and i'll uh i'll share the the image that i found okay that showcases it uh because you can play from a set of previous players. They have chosen, I believe, 12 previous players. A real dirty dozen. Is this the cast of Survivor 50 we're about to see? So let's get into it.

You know, Rob, I worked very hard over the summer to prognosticate a possible cast for Survivor 50. And Elon Lee might have spoiled it for us. You didn't just ask ChatGPT for this? This is real? Well, that might be some people's explanation. So these are the 12 characters that apparently you can choose. Choose your fighter. smash brothers okay of the survivor card game all right

so let me let me just see can you can you read these for me because i'm trying to have a yeah three and rupert so they're sort of paired off here uh we have tony and sarah as they always are we have ozzy and stephanie lagrosa okay we have jzy and Stephanie LaGrossa. We have Jeremy and Natalie. We have, straight from the new era, Jam Jam and Dee. And of course, back together once more to their chagrin, Rob and Sandra.

Okay, can we do snubs? Can we do snubs of... Oh, don't worry. The internet has. Oh, okay. What are they saying? Well, hold on. First of all, i just have questions about how sari ended up with rupert and ivy ended up with steph because like these are all icons but they're not similar in the same way that i boss of rob and sandra obviously linked in

survivor history natalie and jeremy are people on the right hand side okay they have some connection uh connection between i mean sari and rupert but they both did play on the heroes tribe uh they uh i i think that they maybe they can't win yeah uh oddy and stephanie i feel like that they're both sort of like uh you know tough competitors like i feel like that there's something there's something there i say this with all the love to stephanie lagrosa kendrick this feels a little bit like the out of touch executives in the boardroom being like who are the kids like nowadays that we can put on survivor training i think they still got a bit of the stephanie fever in them you know it's 2004 right not 2024 put her in the card game yeah and it's

not all winners also stephanie's stephanie hasn't won uh three hasn't won nobody from that era has won if you look at it sari sari rupert ozzy and stephanie man they're man that's tough what like why don't you yeah okay so what else is the internet saying mike well i think uh the name on everybody's lips has got to be Parvati even though you two will be talking about her on a very different show in just a few weeks here in Dundee people are surprised people consider

the Survivor Mountain Rushmore to be Rob, Tony, Sandra Parvati we got 75% representation here yeah okay Steph LaGrosa love you to death but Ozzy and poverty in the in this yellow would make total sense they played together on the same season they're from the same era they peed in the hot tub yellow he was naked in the hot tub you know like that these things matter

they played together twice that was right instead poverty was right there i don't think they have the rights poverty must decline her do you think the banker got on the phone and asked for too high a calling card for poverty here yeah must have been because I don't think they got any royalties for this wait they don't get royalties for this you can just use their

likeness forever I mean I'm pretty sure that's obviously Rob could speak to someone who signed that contract twice I'm pretty sure that's it there's any Rob C merch out there but I'm pretty sure that's the thing. There's any Rob C. merch out there, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Oh, okay. Well, look, I still think it's very odd. I think this was an editorial choice. I love Steph LaGrosa.

You could have put Bobby John there, and it would have made sense. Nobody would remember it, but it would have made sense. They're kind of tied together. And then I don't know who you put with Seri. Tom? I think we're also talking about of course the amanda kimmel uh as well like the black widow brigade being spoke about again in such highlight yeah or uh james clement uh you know two basically two-time

america's favorite player back-to-back essentially um you know i think there's something there i mean i guess the good news is that uh there is room for dlc right like they'll patch in poverty i mean i think if you're going for like the most notable people and there might be other reasons why they didn't want to uh go this way for the children's game but uh i think russell is certainly like uh somebody you could go with richard also uh like uh these are like famous like if you're going for like who are the biggest names that are left off, I think you make a case for Malcolm. Yeah. Also, look at it, Mike, not to be reading your tweets,

but look at the first response we see on here. It's Jeremy Collins like, you couldn't get this out for Christmas. Like, all right, Jeremy. The game comes out just in time for MLK Day on January 12th. I had a dream that a Survivor card game would be coming, just not soon enough. That big January, second week in January rush. Oh, yeah.

Right on time for the inauguration, you know? Oh, good. I could play as Tony or Sarah. Yeah, people will be storming the walmart's to get a copy of this game yeah so all right there you go there's the survivor card game i'm interested to play it mike oh i mean i think we got to get this going i mean the unfortunate thing is that i don't think they've adapted a virtual version so i think we're gonna do it in person we'll do it in person listen there's a there's a few of us over here in

the tri-state area that I think we can figure something out. I'll fly up for the RGP 15 year anniversary. We'll play the card game. Now, caveat though, you have to pick a card and do it as an impression of that player. Okay. Wait, okay,

Rob, you do some pretty iconic impressions of these people. Tony is a good one that you do. Of course, Boston Rob. I feel like that's a cop-out though. You can't do Boston pretty iconic impressions of these people. Tony is a good one that you do. Boston Rob. Of course, Boston Rob. I feel like that's a cop-out, though. You can't do Boston Rob. Do Rupert.

Oh, I would love to play the card game as long as I don't play with that little snake, Johnny Fairplay. And then, Mike, when we download our characters, you can do Krista. Oh, I got an idol. There you go, Rupert. Put it in your skirt. Okay.

All right. So there you go. The Survivor card game coming out next month. Coming out in but three weeks from now. Yeah. So coming for Christmas 2026. Okay. That's how you kick off your new year.

Yeah, I like it. Yeah. All right. Let's see. This is a good one. Okay. This is wild when I heard about this. Okay.

Now, Chappelle, we've been talking about for a couple of weeks here on Club Condo about all of the hysteria around Saul and, of course, him coming out. And we've, you know, with Bryce, I was talking about, like, all the different outfits that the jury members are wearing. Did you see this, that Saul was invited to judge a vest wearing contest y'all are so unserious the survivor fandom is so unserious I just I I I have discussed it that we allow this kind of stuff to happen but keep going keep doing yes and somebody had a picture of this the survivor fandom is so unserious like why am i watching sol judge a vest competition in a brooklyn bar and the cbs logo behind them is going to get them sued because there is no way that they would sign up for i am so invested in this i mean this makes so much sense from the creators of the

timothy chalamet look-alike contest comes sol being able to adjudicate I guess I don't know what's the criteria here what's the outplay outlast of the out vest competition so we can't really get too much information let us know if somebody who was there can give us some more information looks like one person is wearing like a Cochran-esque type vest

like an Aladdin look you have to be disqualified if you have a shirt on under the vest the whole point of Saul's vest was that it was a vest that stood alone. And so hopefully the winner reflected the real essence of the whole vest thing. Because it was like, if he came out wearing a shirt with a vest on it, nobody would have reacted. It was the fact that Stephen Fishbeck took one look at this man's pecs and said, yeah, that's a vest. And so that's why we have this contest. I keep the spirit of it.

Mike, what other competitions could we break out for the Survivor 47 contestants? Oh, I mean, Sue has to ask. Well, I don't know. Actually, things are going in a very bad direction if Sue judges the Sunny Face competition. I realize that now.

I think it's like now when when she got ready to do her uh you know she did her makeup tutorial with the sit and i believe sam moore is like are we gonna be okay damn we're not gonna he's always maybe not he's always concerned it was a good question okay uh what about a like a baby andy uh makeover competition a he's all that she's all that contest so is that like sort of a drag race-esque reveal that you like dress in your best nerd chic and then you sort of do like a presumptive tearaway and now you're all hot and ready to let your hair down yeah take off your glasses let your hair down and then we play sixpence none the richer in the background, uh, me, I think you should do, I think you should do, in honor of Rachel Lamont,

I think you should find the most unique place to hide rice on you. It should not be visible, but then you reach inside some sort of crevasse in your clothing and pull out a handful of rice. Please don't reach into the crevasses and a handful of rice. Please don't reach into no crevasses and pull out no rice. I don't want that. Go for white rice, the brown rice Wednesdays in a heartbeat. I don't like that.

I don't like that at all. Leave your crevasses closed. Jeff, I don't think would have busted her. I don't think he would call her out if he noticed that. Rachel, spit it out. What? Excuse me? If Kyle judges the uh west nail wing eating competition real yeah but it's like who's the most humanitarian towards the wings

he's like i tricked you all the only way to win was not to play congratulations charlie you've won pretty good kyle thank you i was workshopping it yeah it's the vegetarians eating wings contest really is what it is you have to be a vegetarian and then you have to eat the wings because kyle was like man i shouldn't be doing this but oh my god well you look the most viscerally uncomfortable doing it i could tell it really meant a lot to you congratulations yeah take the coupon to buffalo wild Wigs. All right. This is an idea that came up on the last patron Q&A that I got. And somebody called in and said, hey, you should get together and do with Mike Bloom,

maybe do the superlatives for the season at the end of the season. Why wait? Why wait? the season at the end of the season why wait why wait because we have this uh this great cast and i thought it'd be fun i went and i actually i i had a uh you know i was i had a uh chat gpt created an image for me of the survivor yearbook for survivor 47 yes we go on yeah i didn't know it was a chat gpt until i saw you getting dragged on the internet book for Survivor 47. Yes, we go on. I didn't know it was a chat GPT until I saw you getting dragged on the internet. Did I get dragged on the internet?

Never mind. If somebody dragged my picture for the touch grass, okay, get a life. It would have been better if it was just text. Okay? Losers.

Survivor 47 yearbook is here. And we asked the listeners for their submissions of what would be some great interesting categories for our Survivor 47 yearbook and we uh got 18 listener submitted categories here from the uh from the listeners and i thought it'd be a fun game to play yes mike mike you sparked me as someone who might have won a class superlative in your in your day tell me about it no i did not surprisingly enough uh i was someone you know it's still something that may or may not be a chip on my

shoulder at this point but no i was uh i was i was outbid by all these other people but i got the last laugh because i'm pontificating on a 20 year old card game and razzing all the tasks that are being given their ed you got's laughing now, Norwalk High School class of 2007? Who's laughing now? You would. Okay. Alright. So I have 18 original

superlative categories. And I thought it might be a fun game to play to try to see if we could fit only one. You can only use Survivor once. Okay? Just say Andy for everything. Okay? Alright. play to try to see if we could fit what only what you can only use survivor once okay just say andy for everything okay all right all right okay okay all right here we go here are 18 categories okay all right here we go like categories yes all right uh first one most likely to get kicked out of the group text okay well i'll give you the all 18 oh yeah

okay okay let me give you all 18 i already i already have the answer okay all right uh that one's from sour cupcakes then we got from amy anami most likely to be an off-base bitter juror against someone who actually helped their game. Okay. Shane Paulson gives us most likely to make the zaddy calendar. Oh, okay. Oh, damn. Okay. Countess in front of me says most likely to decline

a call for 50. Ooh, okay. Evan Rollins, most likely to disappear and never be heard from again. Ooh. Ali Slinger says most likely to disappear and never be heard from again. Ooh. Ali Slinger says, most likely to interrupt someone's Instagram live to cause drama. Okay, the Angela Murray Memorial Award. Justin Fetich says, most likely cast member, not from David versus Goliath to make a cameo on The White Lotus.

Ooh, that's an interesting one. Okay. With that trailer just dropped too. Yeah, I'm ready. Yes. Erica Dedrick Loser says most likely to charge the most for a cameo. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Tommy Guam has most likely to host on fire. Stacey Butler has most likely to host on fire. Stacey Butler has most likely to win Twitch. Tommy Guam has most likely to be on the challenge. Daily Joy gives us most likely to win the SIA award if it was still being awarded. Rick Devins posted most likely to accidentally post a spoiler to social media. Well, accidentally, I think should be using quotations there. Amy Anami says most

likely to be a secret billionaire. Maya Bayard gives us teacher slash probes favorite. Haley Joy most likely to have eaten a bat out of desperation if Jeff took away rice negotiations and all the food rewards were

gone. Oh, so it caused COVID again. Stacey Butler has most likely to join in on Chappelle O'Clock. Oh, come on. Most likely shook losing finalists during the after show. So that unfortunately is going to limit

things to about three or four people. This is like you got to where you're a little boxed in here mike okay all right i like rules all right here we go all right you want to start with going down the list sure okay oh either that or do we want to suggest a person and then try to slot them in what's the easier one to do here i think let's let me get the cat let's do the category all right okay okay all right most likely to get kicked out of the group text. So this is where the difficulty automatically presents itself.

We could pass also. Come back to it. Because, I mean, the leader of the clubhouse is definitively Rome. No? But much like the first six episodes of Survivor proper, there's a lot of Rome that's speaking out in this list as well. So it's tough. Do we put him in here, or do we go like maybe a number two or number three pick instead yeah I think we

I think we have to come back to this okay we'll come back to better options for Rome probably in these you know what actually I might put I might put like TK in there low key because I feel like even from his own allies there was a bit of trash talked about TK in the interviews that we've done. Maybe he didn't leave the group text that Sue kicked him out. Yeah, they made a splinter group chat that was like, okay, it's everyone minus TK.

Okay, all right. Most likely to be, we can move stuff around. Okay, most likely to be an off-base bidder, a juror against someone who actually helped their game. Who's the most likely to be a bidder juror? Okay, now we only have, that eliminates our final four contestants here because we don't know who's going to be,

you know, in that spot. Or we could just say one of them could potentially be a bidder juror, even though, you know, we don't know if they make the final three. See, that's the thing is to your delightful point about Teeny's emotional volatility, which again, again i agree i have no slight against considering that a they're a person and b it makes for a very captivating presence on survivor there's a very

good chance that they end up being on the jury this might be their archetype yeah i could see it yeah yeah teeny has a lot to be bitter about but to genevieve who's not going to be in the final three so yeah i think that this let's go ahead and put Teenie right here. I'd be OK with that. Do you think if Teenie sitting in the final three with Sam and Sam's asked a question, Teenie will be like, oh, I'll answer that on Sam's behalf. Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

Pineapples. We got JT throwing Steven under the bus, but I don't think we've ever gotten to the level of slander where someone does a disparaging impression of one of the other finalists at Final Tribal Council, and now I want to see it. Okay. Most likely to make the Zaddy calendar. So this is, for me, a two-horse race

between Andy and Saul. Okay. I think we're going to have more spots for Andy. I think this is where we should use our Saul chip. Yeah. Saul chip. Saul chip. Yeah, Saul chip. Saul chip. Yes, and he got the chips at the auction. No, I don't know. There might be like, I could see Sam in here

as well if they can't find a spot for him. Okay. Alright. Yeah. Okay. Then, most likely to decline a call for 50. John love it. That's a good one. That's a very good one.

He ain't coming back, baby. He is not. He said he wanted to when we did the exit press, but okay. Most likely to disappear and never be heard from again. Okay, I think, how about Keyshawn?

I think Keyshawn, Keyshawn, much like the low-key game he played until a very opportune moment has kind of been low-key on social media as well because it's tough because you would imagine you look at somebody like Kyle or even

Genevieve to a certain retrospect it could be like yeah they'll sort of just like go back from their lack of social media footprint and kind of you know never return again I could see maybe Caroline like Caroline I think Tiana I think Tiana I think to your to an earlier point that's made I think Caroline's gonna make a big podcast circuit appearance from now on. I think she's so good at talking about the game that I think she's definitely going to earn a spot in the repertory players there that I think that takes away from any lack of social media

presence she has. Okay. Yeah. What about Kyle? I mean, where's the next time we're going to see Kyle? I think we have other spots to use Kyle. Okay. Okay. Alright. Then we have other spots to use Kyle Okay Okay alright Then we have Most likely to interrupt someone's Instagram live to cause drama

So this is another Rome possibility I could This could be a possible Sue slot As well Oh yeah if we're going in the Angela archetype I think that's a possibility for sure I can share my screen I don't know if you can i don't know if you can see this okay oh there we go okay yeah hmm okay interrupting oh you know what actually

annika could be a nice low-key person here as well that's a good one i would love the annika interruption that would be great tv or great instagram live at least uh annika shows up like yeah by the way i forgot another thing you're right i ain't there yet okay most likely cast member not from david versus glythe to make a cameo on the white lotus okay could could this be sue here uh i mean it could be it could be but like i don't want to look i'm not trying to put asia on tv too soon but you know i'd be all right asia getting on the line i'm gonna say sierra because mike accidentally thinks she's kara k oh yeah yeah okay um is there is there a a real answer that we have here could we we put Saul in this spot?

If we put Saul in this spot, that pretty much solidifies what Andy for the Zaddy calendar at that point. Or Sam. Or Sam, you know, or Sam. What about Sam? Sam couldn't be on the White Lotus? It's like, is White Lotus the new, like, bold and beautiful to Big Brother of like,

we're going to do like a shoehorned in reference to what they did on the show? Or is it like, who are we going to see do a line of coke off their butt cheek on the White Lotus? Okay. Alright. We can come back to White Lotus. Most likely to charge the most for a cameo? John

Lovett? We already used him. John feels too self-deprecating to charge that high of a price. Hmm. I mean, but I mean,

who's going to charge higher charging for a cameo. Now the question is, could someone pull the Matt Hoffman here where Matt Hoffman, a big brother, 12 notably does is on cameo, but charges like what? A thousand dollars a cameo so that he doesn't have to record any. Could that be somebody like Genevieve to almost price herself out of the market?

I do like that. I do like that a lot. I feel like we have other spots for Genevieve too. But do we? Because now I'm looking. Let's talk about the Genevieve spot. Of the ATV, where could you see her? All right.

Most likely to host on fire. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I think that's a good place to put Sam as well. You think they're going to go with another guy after Charlie in a row? I mean, oh, that's a good point, but also like, dude does

broadcast for a living. He's one of the rare broadcast-based people that actually made it to the end of the game. Yeah. All right. Well, what about most likely to be on the challenge? I feel like that's a good spot for Sam. But the challenge is so messy. I don't know.

I actually think, you know what? You know what? Let me put on my business manager pants. And once upon a time, I was on a podcast, on the Free Agents podcast. Check them out. And we did a draft of people from Survivor likely to appear on the challenge.

And this person was drafted, though we cautioned them not to do it but look now that they had a fairly dispiriting early exit from the game how dare you i'm gonna say it asia no jump to the other side of the cbs via commercial baby get on the challenge absolutely not you stay away from the people asia they're not they're not well they're not well yeah so the chat is saying right now sue has the highest uh cameo price oh okay well there you go um so maybe let's go pencil so listen all i'm saying asia could deal with rome she could deal with johnny bananas but she could not deal with Rome, she could deal with Johnny Bananas. But she could not deal with Rome, and that's the point. She couldn't. Asia, no. That's almost like she's forged in flame now,

right? Like, she could prepare herself for it now. I would be in prison if Asia went on the challenge. Alright, well, let's keep going. Okay, most likely to win the Sia Award if it was still being awarded. Is this Andy? Is it Kyle? Is it Genevieve? Kyle's out. You can't be a vegetarian

who eats a wing and then see it be like yeah I'm giving you money maybe she just didn't watch that is it Sierra who saved the chickens the Sierra that's another moment that you forget about the season retrospect remember when Allah the gift of the Magi in honor of the holiday season Godda came in and traded their chickens

for eggs and then they lost their flint so they couldn't prepare the eggs and they just sat there. It's a sad story. Do you want to put Ciara in this spot? I think Caroline could get the Cia award. Why? She was great. Everybody was talking about how much of a cheerleader she

was. She was so positive for everybody. If I'm Ciara, who doesn't like Caroline? She's great. We like Caroline, but I don't think that's a Sia award person. Davey got the Sia award. I mean, to be fair, Kyle ate chicken wings. He didn't slaughter the chicken.

It's not like Sia is saying, if you consume any part of an animal, you're just being discredited from this award. It was more so that kyle had a lot of difficulty doing so could rachel get the sia award i don't think she's ever does she giving it to a winner she ain't win yet that's true and she and she was inspired to give it to jesse though again maybe to the kyle element it might have been just because of the family that got involved maybe uh sue's discrediting gives credit to Kyle for Sia.

Okay. Let's keep going then. See if we can lock a couple of these in. Most likely to accidentally post a spoiler to social media. See, that does scream a little Sue to me. It does. It does. It's the accidentally part that makes it sound like Sue, right?

Because it does feel like Sue might be that makes it sound like exactly right because it does feel like sue might be the least tapped into you know kind of social media etiquette well who's most likely to be a secret billionaire um asia well i mean that yeah she's been a billionaire asia been rich asia been well um i don't know. Oh, so Andy obviously has all the numerical stuff on his side that it could be interesting if he's like, I had all these financial details going on and he has a bunch of different screens open with a bunch of different crypto markets to try to figure out how to make a bang for his buck.

Uh, I could also see, I mean, if you told me Kishan was a billionaire, I wouldn't be shocked. Okay. see... If you told me Kashawn was a billionaire, I wouldn't be shocked. Okay, I think we can put somebody else in the most likely to disappear and never be heard from again.

Yeah. Okay, teacher's favorite. Okay. Who's most likely to be Jeff's favorite? Jeff loved Gabe. You know, Gabe was like a soundbite person at the at the Gabe very much had the the the Drew Basile sort of like go-to role remember when Gabe was like it was the armistice declared in world yes yes Jeff was eating that up he loves that history

channel shit he does he really does But Rome sat in Jeff's seat. Yep. But that was more like inviting the kid to the cockpit to pretend like he's flying a plane. That's what you do for the favorite, you know? Most likely to have eaten a bat out of desperation if Jeff took away the rights to negotiations.

I mean, this could be Kyle. Oh, no. This is Caroline. This is Caroline written Caroline that's pretty good she ate the eyeball yeah was one of the biggest examples of toxic positivity I've ever seen in my life like it's her being like F yeah get revenge like she is somebody who

let's take a bad situation and make bad soup yeah okay yeah most likely to join in on Chappelle O'Clock see I think this is teeny oh yeah I think I think this is teeny. Yeah. I think we probably got some heavy drinkers in this group. You could also say Sierra

went out with the margarita curse as well. Can't drink now. Congratulations to Sierra. It is with child. There we go. Yeah. Maybe Chappelle O'Clock after, you know, in a few months. and listen all I'm saying is we've been here before we had

someone declare they were expecting shortly before a Survivor finale all I'm saying is here's how Sierra can still win Survivor 47 somebody said they were expecting yeah remember Kenzie said like a couple weeks before the finale that she was expecting. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. I thought you were going to talk about Brenda telling that woman to take out her teeth. You know. Alright. Then most likely to join it on Chappelle O'Clock. Who do we got here? Let's do Teenie right now. If we got to move Teenie around. Taking Teenie off of most likely to be an off base.

I think that Teenie is a lock for the final three. Yeah, Teenie's in the final three. Okay. Most likely shook losing finalists during the after show. Oh, wait, I think we need teeny for this one. That's the teeny spot.

We can find somebody else for me to drink or Sue. Not yet. Cause Sue, remember she already had a lot more teen is from survivor South Africa. She had her speech written out from the very first episode. I think we got to go with Teenie for the losing finalist because it's the shook part.

You know, it's like, it's the like, you know, like, hey, we're not asking you any questions type thing. I think that's the one. I think Sue's going to get, the two girls are going to look out for Sue.

Well, you know, that's the thing is like, Sue might be shook that she didn't get more. Could Sam go to Chappelle O'Clock? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're going to Chappelle o'clock. Oh yeah. Yeah. We're going to celebrate our win.

Celebrate the win. Okay. And then eat the fruit for the first time. All right. Well, let's okay. I think we're wasting TK on most likely to get kicked out of the group. I think we're wasting.

Yeah. I think TK could go to the Zaddy calendar. I think that TK could go to the challenge. TK could go to the challenge. I'm okay with that. I think that, I think that TK could go to the challenge TK could go to the challenge I'm okay with that I think that Asia can't so TK go take that L for Asia that's what you get for forging her path apologies for the agita I've given Asia for this brief 5 minute portion

okay and then for our bitter juror Sierra I think is probably leading the if she's not if we're not going to use her for Sia money I could see her being the bitter juror, Sierra, I think, is probably leading the... If we're not going to use her for Sia money, I could see her being the bitter juror. But bitter against who? Rachel? I guess. Yeah, that's fine. That makes sense. But did Rachel help her in the game?

No, I don't think so. But what if Sierra's bitter against Sam? Ooh, that would be spicy. Now, wait a minute. I mean, listen, we don't know how Andy is going to feel about the fact that he went and

spilled his entire game to Rachel. And she had that rather Kurt blunt moment to him on the way out. I think this is non-zero chance that Andy could be the bitter jerk, but I think there's like nine different spots. We could use Andy on this list. Andy could be bitter against Sam too. You know, Sam, who who is like i'm dragging you through the game basically andy like this is a puzzle you have to remember there's lots of different ways to solve it that's not in rome we're not going what's the best possible answer well let's skip that one then let's come back to

another one then i let me let me tell you what's like screaming to me right now and i feel like white lotus i like i just and maybe it's because sierra wears so many different hats play so many Let me tell you what's screaming to me right now. I feel like White Lotus, and maybe it's because Sierra wears so many different hats, plays so many different roles. I could just see her holding a tray and servicing all of these- I think she was a server, right? Yeah, and serving all of these white people, rich privilege problem-filled individuals

on the White Lotus, which is usually where these survivors slot into, right? Alec Merlino was not the guy who got his ass eaten out on the White Lotus, but he was part of the staff. He was the other guy. Yeah. He was doing the coke, but he wasn't doing the ass, you know, he wasn't that part. Okay. All right.

Who's hosting on fire? I mean, I think it's pretty... Who we have left, I think genevieve is number one with a yeah oh i think that one works or you let asia go let her let her do a thing rob asia would be good but is she the most likely being a podcaster hmm yeah well we gotta slot these people into where they fit in the puzzle though it doesn't have to be the right answer it just has to make sure that it makes everything else matter okay because we

could use probably we could probably use genevieve in other spots too now let me let me talk about one that we skipped over that i do think and it's odd because we talked about how much of a multifaceted game rachel has played but i do think she would be the most likely to win twitch especially out of the group that has left right now, her or Andy. Okay. Yeah. And Andy would be a good, uh, Twitch candidate. Uh, yeah,

that's a good spot for Rachel. I think we can use Andy in some different spots. Okay. Okay. And he's kind of a multi-tool, uh, this, this game here.

He could get the seal ward. Yeah. Let's find a spot for Kyle. Where's Kyle going to go? Okay. Uh, so he could be disappear and never be heard from again i mean i just don't see also oh he could go especially against somebody like sue right uh like uh like sue how dare you and sue's like what i still i still wonder because

what kyle told you and i rob like, when he was on the island, Sue was nothing but nice to him. Yeah, I don't think he'll be a better juror. Unless he finds out through Ponderosa, people are like, oh my God, you won't believe the shit Sue was saying behind your back. Yeah, I do think that Kyle could get the CEO award also. Okay, let's give it to Kyle.

Okay. We gotta start sliding these in. Give Kyle the CEO award. Most likely to disappear and never be heard from again. I could see Tiana. I mean, she's flying a lot. She's not a lot of cell signal in the sky.

Yeah. Okay. Alright. We still have most likely to get kicked out of the group text. We haven't used Rome yet. I was gonna say, did we go back to what we first suggested? We came back full circle. Okay. And now we have our RHAP connections Asia and Andy okay well what categories do we have left most likely to charge the most

for the cameo what's Andy's cameo up to right now honestly I think that Asia can't be a bitter juror so I think that we only have something else I mean Asia would be most likely to guest on the bitter jurors podcast yeah yeah I'd be shocked if she hasn't already I'd be a little surprised We can move something else also. I mean, Asia would be most likely to guest on the Bitter Jurors podcast.

Yeah. Yeah. I'd be shocked if she hasn't already. I'd be a little surprised. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I mean, if we're not going to put Andy in the Bitter Jurors spot, we got to find a different spot for Andy.

Yeah, that's true as well. It's now a little bit of a... Asia can't have that spot. It's a slide puzzle, right? Where now we have to put Andy in somewhere and move somebody out. The multi-tool effect has worked out on us. We need to find a more bitter juror than Andy.

Could Gabe be a bitter juror? Absolutely. If we move Gabe into the bitter juror, that opens up Teacher's Favorite for Andy. Yeah, Teacher's Favorite for Andy. I mean, Andy did tell Jeff unprompted that he loved him

when he was at his lowest moment. But then that still insinuates that Asia is charging the most for a cameo. I don't think she is. So then I would say maybe this is a little unrealistic, but hell, let's wish cast here. I say put Genevieve in most likely to charge

the most for a cameo and put Asia in on fire. Okay, because maybe she's like, oh, I thought I was charging in canadian dollars i made it i made it 65 canadian i thought i mean this is genevieve that has been telling us all season that she basically can turn off the ability to like people and so i can imagine like genevieve does not want to do a bunch of these cameos i'm gonna get caught on the big brother live feed saying that she scripts out the same thing for every cameo that she does? Absolutely. Absolutely.

All right, so here we go. Here's our superlatives. I think we did a good job. Okay. I think we were able to settle on it. All right. Most likely to get kicked out of the group text, Rome.

Most likely to be an off-base bidder or juror against someone who helped their game, Gabe. Most likely to make the Zaddy calendar, Saul. Most likely to decline the call for 50. John, most likely to disappear and never be heard from again.

Tiana, most likely to interrupt someone's Instagram live to cause drama. Annika, most likely cast member not for David vs. Glyph to make a cameo on White Lotus. Sierra, most likely to charge the most for a cameo. Genevieve, most likely to host On Fire. Asia, most likely a cameo. Genevieve. Most likely to host On Fire. Asia. Most likely to win Twitch. Rachel. Most likely to be on the challenge. TK. Most likely to win the CEO award if it was still being awarded. Kyle. Most likely to accidentally post a spoiler on social media. Sue. Most likely to be a secret billionaire. Keyshawn. Teacher's favorite. Andy. Most likely

to have eaten a bat if Jeff took away the rice negotiations. It's Caroline, most likely to join in on Chappelle O'Clock. It's Sam, most likely shook, losing finals during the after show. Teeny. Wow. We did it. We did it.

We nailed it. Yes. Look at this. Now print the yearbook. I was going to say, I don't know. I might issue a retraction. I don't know. I'm starting to feel like,

how we feel about those last two spots now that we look at the whole board. You want to switch Teenie and do you think that Sam is going to be a losing finalist? That's a good point. Let's say Sam gets to the end with Rachel. And like you were saying, Rob, he does the fire against somebody, right? Rachel takes Sam to the end, so he doesn't get a chance to do his fire.

But he's like, I could still win this. And he finds out very quickly that people are saying what a lot of the people at home are saying which is what did Sam really done uh maybe that could be the thing that kind of uh that could be his villain origin story or something I I think if and when we unfortunately get that part of the after show where Jeff says all right so and so how are you feeling right now you just lost out I feel like Sam would be the most likely to have, like, a really downtrodden reaction. You could just see Charlie and Sam right now. That's all.

You could see the Charlie moment coming. I think if Teenie gets to the finals, I think Teenie already knows at this point, probably losing to Rachel. Even though Teenie got upset a couple of weeks ago that, what, you think Rachel can beat me, Genevieve? If Sam gets to the end, I think he's got a pretty good shot.

And then if he doesn't win, I think he's more likely to be shook at not winning. I love that for us, it was a couple weeks ago, and for Teenie in the game, it was, what, three days ago? Yeah. Three days ago, Teenie's like, what, Rachel? Now it's like, wait, Rachel. Teenie will not be looking shook

because the minute that champagne gets brought out, they're like, fantastic. It's a wrap. Chappelle O'Clock, baby. Shout out to Teeny. Give me that bottle. Screw the glass. All right.

So now most likely to join in Chappelle O'Clock is Teeny and most likely shook losing finals during the after show is Sam. Mike, that's a great segue to our after show predictions. Let's talk about it. Now, I'm always wondering, especially when we get to the odd numbered season, the first season in the shooting schedule year. Do we ever think that there will be any tweaks to the after show format? This is the two part finale. This is like a little bit different.

Do you think that there will be any substantial changes to what we've seen from Survivor 41 through 46? I don't think so, because at this point, I think Jeff is feeling the way he felt about a lot of things in the new era, which is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Now, that said, they did end up changing something like

Mergatory, which he did enjoy up until this point, to reflect something a little bit different. So maybe they will, but I think, at least the way to tease a little bit i do have an interview coming out with jeff tomorrow and he said like yeah it's an emotional humor filled after show so i still think he likes capturing that in the moment feeling trying to wrap everything up around a nice old box of pizza with idle clues festooned underneath it and plenty of champagne to boot okay all right so then if we have a good sense of what it's going to be let's uh start to play out how we think it's going to go all right so let's let's do this let's each let's point let's

each bring up one subject we think will be the focus of a segment on the survivor 47 after show okay be a move could be like a person in their legacy could be an overall theme of the show all right topics for discussion are we gonna go keep going around as we each have two i like that all right chappelle you kick it off i have no clue what we're talking about okay you follow what me and mike are doing and then uh you give us one okay all right mike you start i mean uh thank you for giving me first pick rob uh i gotta go with the low-hanging fruit here whether or not sam has tried it in his life operation italy i think is going to far and away be and maybe it'll be part of a like a jeff saying there were some huge power shifts

and blind sides this season but we gotta talk about the parmesan cheese on top of this metaphoric pasta dish operation italy okay um yeah i think that's a pretty good call back to a big moment of the season um i think continuing with andy i think we're going to spend some time talking about day three. Andy. Yeah. You had an emotional moment. And I think just day three meltdown. Andy's journey.

I think it's going to be a topic of the conversation. Yeah, I think, I think they might even bring up Rome. I think that he's not there, but I think that, oh, you know what? Actually, let's let's let's put a pin in this. Maybe we'll do a separate category of which pre-merger is the most likely to get brought up in the after. I mean, it's a coin toss between Kashan and Rome at this point. Right.

But I think I think that that all these people have one thing in common. They all voted out Rome. And I think that he was such a big character for all of the season prior to, you know, prior to this point. I guess, obviously, the jury segment and the merge and stuff. I think that there's no way that Jeff doesn't at least be like, remember Rome? That's a thing that happened. I can see it. Hmm. I wonder. Hmm. i can see it hmm i wonder

hmm do we talk about sue's idol oh the red paint idol yeah i think now i guess the question is would it be specific to sue or will it be a segment of like and we saw all these idols and advantages and maybe that's when you bring up like the saul advantage and saul comes clean being like i was the one who had that advantage yeah i think that's gonna be a big one especially if rachel's the winner um but i do think they love

to talk about like oh and then you found the this idol and then you found the idol i mean even in cyber 46 they're talking about like tiffany like how did you found this idol and then you found the idol. I mean, even in Spider-46, they're talking about like Tiffany. Like, how did you find your idol? And we flash back to that. We're going to talk about Rachel's immunity run. I think that's probably something that we got to talk about. Like, Rachel, you almost tied the record for the most blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like, I could see it happening. I think we're going, because my assumption is Sue is going to make the final three. I think we're going to get assumption is sue is going to make the final three i think we're going to get a segment dedicated to the assumed fact that she will reveal her real age at the final tribal council and like what her representing her demographic means we might get even like a caroline franny-esque moment of like you were my closest person out here. You've changed my life, et cetera, et cetera. Wow.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Anything about the sanctuary? You think any of those moments? We went to the sanctuary a few times in this up season. Well, how about, this is a question. How much, like, what time in this two-hour finale? Let's do that.

Okay. Give me the time. The Survivor after show starts when i am going to say let's go with 10 12 10 12 okay i don't know sorry no sorry 9 12 9 i forgot 9 12 yeah 9 12 9 12 i've got the over on that i think it starts later what do you think chappelle okay i guess i'll take the under then. Because what else are we showing? If this is the right way, what are we doing? We're going to go right

into Final Four Immunity Challenge. Then we're going to come back and then we're going to get ready for who's going to make the fire. Then we're going to have our fire making. Then we'll have our final three breakfast. Then we'll have our final tribal council and vote reveal. I feel like that

we're probably getting we're probably getting like i think like an hour 20 out of that stuff see if it's a racial coordination i don't know if we get all that i think it's just kind of like let's get let's hurry up and get to the to the crowning of our champion to see because we usually see in the three hour finale after the final five vote aka when voting is actually done in the game of survivor it almost immediately just cuts to the final four immunity challenge. I wonder if we start the episode with the final four immunity challenge or if we're going to get some sort of like back from camp. Maybe we'll get an explanation as to why Teenie did not vote with the majority

for the umpteen time, got turned around and voted for Sam. And then we cut to the challenge, which could add a little bit of extra time onto it. Do you think that we'll get another Jeff set up of like, all right, tonight it's the final four. I was jarring, you know, knowing that this was part one of the finale that we just did. I cannot I was not ready for Jeff to do his patented intro set up for the finale. Because, again, we're going to do finale again. So I don't I don't know. I would like it less if he does it twice.

I second time. I don't like it. I think we're going to get the VO. I think we're going to get it previously on Survivor. And now for the conclusion. Who will take home the prize? I don't know if they're going to do the one or again of Jeff walking through the Tribal Council set. What I will say, I miss. Again, they changed a lot, I think, for the better

from Survivor 41 and 42. But God, I miss when they did those projections of gifts of the final five on the logs and all the stuff behind jeff on the set please bring that back cbs like that yeah i love it it's so much fun yeah people called in on the patron show and uh brought this up about that it was a little too much recap on the two-hour episode on wed Wednesday night of it was like Jeff set it all up and then we did previously on Survivor after that yeah

because he's not supposed to do it and it's also tough because well Jeff I think gave a little bit more of the macro of like these are the two big themes of the season which I also thought was interesting because he said the two big themes of the season were ever shifting power and socially savvy gameplay and the two votes in that episode, arguably,

you know, we had ever-shifting power in that Rachel, who was left out of Operation Italy, and now almost single-handedly takes out Andy. And then you have a little bit of like the social savvy gameplay of, do we believe Genevieve when she says she has a fake? Is she double bluffing us? And then they sort of went into,

but we kind of also have to talk about Operation Italy because it was was such a big deal yeah agreed okay all right so chappelle you mentioned it before which put like choose your champion here which pre-merger will be referenced in the after show by somebody still in the game it's hard because on the one hand i don't think you can talk to saul without mentioning the whole Rome thing. Like, I think that Saul's dying to be like, wasn't that crazy how he followed me around? Not to mention, we did end up getting Genevieve following Rachel around just like that in this episode,

but it felt a little different when Genevieve did it. And also someone reacting to Genevieve saying they were threatening them. Right, but if you go to Genevieve and say, Genevieve, tell me about your story. Genevieve's first word is, Kishan, Kishan, like, immediately, right? So I'm going to go with Kishan.

But it's just, Rome was such a big character. You know, love him or hate him, he was the star of the pre-release. I'm going to go in a different direction. I don't think that they bring up Rome as a topic, but I do think we cannot talk about Rachel's win without talking about Tiana. that's interesting because i was going to say annika like i think if we cut to the rachel journey i think she will very clearly make a name drop up after i lost annika

that was the first of the three times i was blindsided and i learned that i wasn't you know i had to adapt while I was on the fly. Yeah. Fair, fair. No, it's good points. Good points. I mean, I don't know. You could get a spare John Lovett throw in by Andy if you're talking about the day three meltdown to your point, Rob. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. Okay. And then we'll get our

Survivor 48 preview. Mike, do we know anything at this hour about Survivor 48? I mean, I know a fair amount of time how about this does the has there been anything announced about survivor 48 uh the premiere date yes coming in february but 90 day minute episodes are continuing how about this guys uh we did this last time and maybe i'll pass this on because i was able to somehow hit it on the nose. And I did not know about the bat logo. I just threw out an animal and I landed on bat much like Caroline did.

And that's the relative we gave her. You guys maybe each put in a guess of like, what will be the central totem of the survivor 48 logo? Hmm. We've got hers. We got bats. We had that guy drowning, holding the torch in 41,

the maze. that was funny. I liked that one. I liked that guy drowning holding the torch in 41 the maze yeah that was funny i like that one i like the guy drowning that was fun um i don't know i don't know because there's so many options right and then we've had animals that we've used before like do they go back to an animal we've already seen before is this gonna be a new one i don't know yeah i will say it's a new one all right oh okay okay um that helps i feel like i have i feel like that we have a lot of cutaways to spiders i feel like that uh i don't know if we've ever done that in the logo okay antonio mazzaro's worst nightmare a spider-filled logo okay um i don't i don't know this is hard there's so many animals I got nothing

maybe it's coconuts maybe there's coconuts in the middle of the day the chat says a shark a crab oh okay I think a shark would be we haven't done a shark before we had sharks in Palau if that counts we had gecko a little bit in 46

as well I did like the geckos those were fun. Yeah, I'm going to go with what was the animal mineral implant or whatever? I'm going to go with I'm going to go with, you know, the coconut. I'm going to open it. OK, here's another question. And maybe this is a bit more subjective. Who will be the best dressed on the jury?

Oh, and I guess this is technically an after show question because they will be wearing that outfit through the after show as well. Who will be dressing for the reunion they wish they could attend? Sierra been stunning on them all season. Ever since the jury segment has started, Sierra has been showing up and showing out every time. Saul bust out with the shirtless vest thing.

Yeah. And then he kind of cut it back a little bit. He didn't really put on my top. Do you think that maybe was Saul talked to of like you are attracting way too much attention. I know your name is Saul, but you're like the sun here. You're showing a lot of

eyes. Yeah. So hot on the jury. Right. Andy had kind of like a normal like Tommy Bahama shirt for his thing. But I wonder if he has a final tribal council outfit. No, I hope it's like a normal Tommy Bahama shirt for his thing, but I wonder if he has a final Tribal Council outfit. Nah, Andy's not. I hope it's like a jumpsuit. Jumpsuit?

Yeah, he's not stepping out like that. Like a Squid Game look? No, like a romper, you know? A onesie? If Sam is on the jury, Sam's another one to watch. You can tell he'd be dressing, but I don't think we have a lot of options because a lot of them are kind of chill on the jury.

They're not really showing up and having their moment like I thought they would. I will give more of a low key mention here. I feel like Caroline is going to serve. Oh, like and maybe it's the absolute stone face, despite the fact that, again, she is like the Unikitty of Survivor 47 and just her effortless positivity. And so I think that sort of behavior is going to manifest in the way she dresses as well,

to just come across as an overall ensemble. Okay. We'll see on Wednesday night. Mike, anything else you want to set up going into the finale? No, I don't think so, because, again, we don't know how this is all going to time out. I know this is something that Lindsay Delosha, which brought up on the B&B, which is like maybe with two hours, they're going to apportion more time to. As we talked about the very beginning of this podcast, exploring some some more personal stuff for people like Rachel, perhaps a little bit belatedly. Or maybe we're just going to rush through the motions. And this basically was just a four hour episode cut in twain.

I'm not entirely sure. But regardless, especially getting to relitigate this season a bit, it has been such a fun experience. Like how lucky are we to have such a different time than we did in Survivor 46? But to me, a still incredibly enjoyable experience in a completely different way. It's going to be it's going to be sad to sunset this one. But hey, we have a card game coming our way in January to tide us over until Survivor 48. The the coconuts and crabs coming in in February. OK, yeah, we'll see. we'll see anything else on your mind

heading into the finale i forgot about the preview for 48 and i am so excited again you know that's the thing about survivor you got another survivor coming up and um you know last time we had a big reveal with asia god knows what they're gonna do do this time. Remember, 46 was a weird one. 46 was only, it was no on-island content. It was only audition video stuff. Are we going to get something weird again with the 48 video? I want

that. I want it. I love the preview because it gets you hype again for the season. It gives us something to kind of just hold on to for the next couple of weeks. We can analyze it. I know all the people there, the edit readers are going to start right then looking at, okay, who got this confessional? When did it happen? I'm ready. I'm ready. Thank you so much, Mike. You're great.

Thank you for being here with us. Cause you got me, you got me reinvigorated for the next season of survivor already. And we ain't even done with this. Wow. Wow. No, the pleasure is all mine. Power. I apparently apparently listen this is a great this is a great two-hour compliment sandwich of a podcast i have to say i i was so happy to be here as per usual i mean incredibly tough act to follow that wand off was freaking magnified that was a wild night last week so i know i could not hold a candle to it whatsoever but hey happy to come in with my soot-filled face and try to spark a little bit of a kindling

to get us pumped for what should be a fun two hours of Survivor, no matter what the outcome is. Yeah, okay. All right. Mike, what exciting things do you have coming up, including the B&B this week? Yeah, so we've got some traditional exciting stuff

and then some new exciting stuff that I will tease for you something old something new because god knows i am married to my content at this point uh i'm like a dugger i suppose i know i guess the duggers aren't polygamous uh but anyway on with the mormon references so uh from a you know the usual stuff that i do as i mentioned before the b&b so we had omer and lindsey on fittingly a sixth and a fifth placer talking about a sixth and a fifth placer but also do not mistake coincidence for fate but in my pre-season interviews with andy and genevieve when i asked who do they want to who do they identify with the most andy said omer and genevieve said lindsey so that was very fun to sort of talk with like their survivor 42 facsimiles it was lindsey's debut she brought along a friend as well a special ghost or should i say special guest to the podcast and omer brought his incredible

animal comparison game that i know everyone's been uh waiting to find out who is who so be sure to check that out. And we'll be joined by the Washington Post TikTok's very own Dave Jorgensen for the finale this coming weekend. Of course, I had chats with Andy and Genevieve, both very fantastic chats with very fantastic people. You can check that out over at Parade.com. And I will be talking with the final four the day after the finale as well. with the final four the day after the finale as well over on the scripted tv side of things i am of course covering battlestar galactica every week with josh wiggler and those of you who have been following down the hatch know this week was a very fun episode of battlestar galactica we're

gonna be a little bit late on it this week but we wanted to i was sitting shiva in a manner of speaking before i could come back to the mic and talk about it. Those who know, know other than that, I'm also covering Silo with Grace Leader and then a couple of new exciting things that I will announce as well. So first off, on the scripted TV

side of things, I mean, you guys really, I would say, you know, probably brought me to life as I was dancing through life talking about Wicked in the beginning. But the truth of the matter is it's been in my brain for a little while now because I just recorded a podcast talking about Wicked. Both our overall thoughts on the film as well as how it's holding space in a manner of speaking in the world a month later. I did that with a really electric panel of myself, Grace Leader, Mari Forth, and Shannon Gust. That should be coming in the next week or so.

And then another scripted thing is coming out very soon. And you know what? Let's break this exclusive here because we're doing plenty of that today. You can't do much Squid game coverage without the man behind Sir Squiddington. Can you? And so I am elated to announce that I will be joining one Chappelle

on covering squid game season two coming to Netflix, December 26. Hey, you're not subscribed to the Nothing But Netflix podcast, then you didn't know that. So subscribe to Nothing But Netflix and then tune in because Mike and I are going to be talking about season two every

day. Every day. We're going to bring a different podcast about each episode of Squid Game. And so, yeah. What do you think? I mean, Ken McNichol loves a test. So i imagine he'd actually be good about he'd love squid games yeah yeah they don't listen to a lot of vinyl yeah well actually no they do play vinyl actually there's a a moment perhaps early in season two where they

play a memorable vinyl but yeah so we're going to be doing daily podcasts there's several seven episodes of squid game season two so we'll bring you a week straight of them and without saying too much uh i can say that rob says you know we'll be joining us for episode one we'll kick it off okay all right so get ready for daily squid game coverage coming uh next week or i guess it's 26 uh when squid game drops okay yeah so what we could call that the aperitif to the survivor card game coming januaryth, we should say the nice, the crisp Caesar salad to that tiara misu. And the other, the other thing I'll plug Rob shortly coming after that, the beginning of that podcast is that it's an, Rob, five years of doing the end of year 2020 blank brand steal where we take some of the biggest people, characters, moments, memes, objects, throw them in a simulated season of reality TV together

and have them battle it out to see who runs Marion's Supreme. Of course, on social media today, I put out the call, sent out the bat signal that Caroline promptly grabbed and ate in response to hear about who you all would like to nominate. So look up me on social media at a Mike Bloom type. Let your voice be heard. We'll collate the responses and put together a cast

that should be coming out towards the end of the year as we send off. Well, this year was like top tier in terms of survivor it's a very odd year in the uh the timeline of humanity so i'm excited to break it down through the lens of a plant of a brand steel all right looking forward to that coming later this month all right chapelle and uh what's going on for you well mike already mentioned nothing but netflix so people gotta go subscribe at nothing but Netflix on all you know

whatever all platforms or whatever all podcast platforms but listen go follow nothing but RHAP on Twitter

if you want to keep up with that stuff when I update it it'll be updated it'll tell you all the things coming because this week Rob and I

will be joined by you know a few guests to talk about Aaron Rodgers and his Enigma show on Nothing But Netflix. Quite an Enigma. Yeah. Wrapped in a riddle.

Which one of the superlatives do you think Aaron Rodgers would most likely? Should we do like the superlatives for the 32 quarterbacks in the NFL? Most likely we kick out of the group chat, I think. I'm kicking him out of the group chat immediately. But you're going to hear all of that and more from us on Nothing But Netflix. So check that out. And then on my podcast, Recap Kickback you uh can come catch me and mari talking about whatever this week we're gonna finish our recap of the show cross on amazon prime we did the

premiere with jason reed and so jason reed will be back so we can talk about the rest of the season uh and so check that out uh tyrone will be joining me to talk about the madness starring colman domingo also on recap kickback g and i already have our podcast episode up for the uh mid-season And so check that out. Tyrone will be joining me to talk about The Madness starring Coleman Domingo. Also on Recap Kickback, Gia and I already have our podcast episode up for the midseason finale of Abbott Elementary. So go check that out. And we're bringing some Christmas coverage. How to ruin Christmas. Gia and I are going to be going through each of those. Check it out all on RecapKickback.com. And then, of course, catch me on We Know Scripted TV talking to Sasha Joseph about Sex Lives of College Girls. We're about halfway through. I guess we're doing batches of two.

So we've done two, four episodes so far. Join us for the next two when we drop that on WeKnowScriptedTV.com. And then, Rob, I don't know when it's going to drop, but I talked about The Traitors. You know, we're previewing the season of The Traitors and i got to be the the special guest to talk about danielle reyes we've got traders previews coming up uh once we get through the survivor season so we got uh some fun a fun podcast series uh and i've been recording some traders previews for you coming up uh so look for that later on this week i am looking for these superlatives and i i actually do feel like aaron rogers would be the one to most likely show up on the

White Lotus because he does kind of feel like a White Lotus character in real life oh yeah but like not cast on there he would just be in the background doing some wild stuff yeah like suntanning naked uh huh yeah he's definitely getting his ass ate you know he's one of those people um but yeah check it out

check out me and all those places and then of course follow me on all social media platforms at recap kickback to keep up with what else I have going on. Okay. All right. And then check out my interview with a Drew Basile from this weekend. Very fun one. I love,

I love Drew. I know that some people like to consider him a stretched out Mike Bloom, but I consider myself a squash down Drew personally. Yeah. One of my faves from the new era to talk to. So glad he made some time for that. And so we'd love to hear what you have to say in the comments. Take care.

Ready? Have a good one. Bye.