RHAP: We Know Survivor - Omar Zaheer and Lindsay Dolashewich on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 13

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Omar Zaheer and Lindsay Dolashewich for episode 13.

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And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name It's the R-H-A-B-N-B. You can stay for free. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to the RHAP B&B for week 13 of Survivor 47. My name is Mike Bloom. Whether you want to call a part one of the finale or just the penultimate episode, the endgame has begun uh and we shall see if it uh concludes in such a massive format as the avengers proper and we brought together

perhaps an avengers like panel of people to break down a big two-hour installment of a survivor 47 of course i could think of no better person uh to talk with me alongside this episode. Puts the duo truly in the duology of this two-part finale. It is, of course, Liana Boris. Hi, Liana. Hi, Mike. Can I be this part of the finale and you can be the next part of the finale? I mean, yeah, because I think, you know, as we know, the after show is always one big enigma. And I do think amongst the two of us, that makes a lot more fitting sense.

So I am more than happy to advocate that to you, Liana. OK, perfect. I'm glad with that distinction, because for me, this is like this is the exciting part. I love the final six, final five boots as exciting as they are. They're exciting. OK, you don't lose amazing people during them. Well, you talk about loving the final six and final five boots. amazing people during them. Well, you talk about loving the final six and final five boots. And I can think of two.

I can think of nothing. If I should say of two better people to bring on, then the final six and the final five boots, fittingly enough of a survivor 42. We have, you know, a tried and true guest and someone new as well. So let me welcome in the name that you may know familiar to this place. Of course, the great Omar Zakir. Hi, Omar. Hello.

And not mommy throwing strays already. OK, as I was saying it, I mean, it is a compliment. I think. Hello. Happy to be here. Well, I think you're just you're just trying to simulate the Genevieve Keeney dynamic, right, by just being incredibly complicated. Liana's spinning you right now, Omer. Yeah, she is spinning me and

I don't appreciate it. And also that's why she's going to be out before the end of this podcast. And also I'm not calling it part one of the finale or the penultimate episode. I'm calling this a double episode. Oh, one hour episodes. It's just an all

how you brand it, you yeah well you know big throwback to back in the day when they would not only say yeah we're gonna air an episode the day before thanksgiving but we're gonna throw two episodes in there for the price of one it over yeah and cheese you know as man once said exactly uh to quote a famous thanksgiving episode and we have decided to double up as well and bring in a brand new guest. So thrilled to welcome in for the first time from Survivor 42, Lindsay Lawashwich. Hello, hello.

Thank you for having me. It's really nice being able to be here with Omer as a top six and top five because it's given me a little bit of PTSD from my season. So it's nice to be with some good supportive people as we unwind this entire episode not only that let me reveal uh just how purely coincidental all this ended up being not only are andy and genevieve the sixth and fifth place finishers of survivor 47 when i

got the chance to talk with them in the preseason of course i asked them which players do they identify with the most andy said omer genevieve said lindsey the stars have aligned in such a way yeah to have you all talk about uh your i guess uh assumed doppelgangers here though truly i think these are two of some of the most enigmatic players we have had in the new era, for sure. I think Andy was watching my GDD streams. That's why he said me. What do you think,

Leon? Is Puyo going to try to get Andy in once that NDA expires? Oh, yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, this cast has been really fun. I think a lot of people, if they want to come play, if Andy wants to come meet his hero, Omer, I think we can arrange that as well. But I didn't realize I remember.

You should get his ass on that. OK, well, we'll do just for you. But I think what's more interesting is the Genevieve Lindsay connection, because that I didn't actually didn't remember that at all. I do remember Andy mentioning Omer because to me that was a red flag. But that's amazing. I love that. I mean, Lindsay, like, did you remember that Genevieve had said that?

How do you feel about her following in your footsteps? I completely forgot that. And I love that that got brought up because it warms my heart. And I really enjoyed watching her play so i found that to be a nice comparison even though i will say i think she composed her gameplay much better than i did so um maybe a little less of a comparison but i love it either way yeah so i want to go back to what you were mentioning before liana that again we're sort of in you could call it uncharted waters or you could just call it a rebranding, this idea of doubling up the final six

and final five boots, then kind of like shifting one hour away from our usual three hour finale to then create a two hour finale next week. And the benefit is in the short term in that I thought we got a very fun episode. Of course, there's a big question mark as to like, how do you follow up Operation Italy last week?

And I thought we got, even with a fairly straightforward boot in Genevieve, still a lot of fun intrigue around it. But perhaps it might come at the cost in the long term, in that this means next week we are going to get Final Four Firemaking, Final Tribal Council, and then the after show. So, Omer, give me your thoughts on their choice whether it be from production or cbs's perspective to double up here uh in terms of like you know short-term love versus perhaps long-term loathe uh i mean i think that the six pairing the six and five

episodes i think makes a lot of sense i don't think you need an hour and a half for six people left anymore you know they would have just if it had been a 90 minute on 42, just been another 30 minutes bagging on me, you know, so we don't need that. I think it was a perfect six and five episode that they showed. I think the bigger issue, I think four and three, you know, we've seen in Survivor, they've done that as a finale for people. And it's very entertaining when there's a vote yeah so i don't know i think it's the finale is going to be the worst part of uh the season i mean i i kind of agree that's the thing is that it's okay so we're going to watch two people so there's going to be an immunity challenge okay great then there's gonna be final four fire making which we already actually

got a ton of sort of setup even in this episode there's a ton of teeny v rachel teeny v rachel so my head i'm like okay well is it gonna be teeny v rachel you know in the in the fire making so oh interesting i don't know it just to me it just feels like unless we have a season 43 where you know the potential presumptive winner and Jesse like if Rachel goes out but then we still have Sam sort of is like who's being set up as our backup winner anyway so I don't know like I just don't think that there's a ton of intrigue necessarily going into the finale I I don't think so I think there was um i think there was a hint that the person making fire is gonna be santa sooty sue with all of the soot you know

yes she's getting up close no i feel like that's well i don't know is soot flammable because i actually fear i wouldn't want to put her into fire because like that could be like a michael jackson filming the pepsi commercial issue like, if she gets too close to it, look out. I'm imagining her just rubbing her own face. It's like, get this help. I don't know. I'm not fire making expert.

I kind of have a different assumption based off of this being the first switch up of having a double half finale of the six and the five would be in a perfect world that I would think there must be enough like juiciness going on in the final three jury voting that I'm hoping that maybe there's a lot longer amount of jury questioning which either could be maybe our assumed winner is out and now they have other people there and they need to now be able to build up that winner story to prove why they deserve to win otherwise all the viewers are going to be i don't understand why this person won so they might be putting a lot more time into that whole build-up if that were to be the case or let's say the potential winner

is there but you want to have a better case with all three same deal giving all three people enough time to really be able to prove their case where then the viewers are like maybe not i also love the jury questioning so i'm biased on that that's my favorite part of survivor every time i've watched so i'd always prefer to have more watching of those questions than half of it being just the fire making and then half of it being the finale i completely agree on a lot of that stuff uh as a fellow lover of the jury voting as well i would really enjoy the opportunity to get more of it i also wonder if production feels like this is a very strong task particularly on the jury so this is an opportunity to hear from

people more i also wonder now i wouldn't say this would be like indirect response to 46 which was true in the spirit of for survivor 46 just like a hot mess in terms of people voting the way we didn't think they'd vote in multiple directions and then not really knowing the rationale behind things until either in the after show or after the fact maybe they wanted to set up in an editing perspective understanding more as to okay if you're voting for this person in the moment why uh or if they're just kind of filling out time i would much rather them do it with the final three then yeah final four where it's going to be a pretty foregone conclusion where my basic assumption is okay if if rachel wins immunity then i guess it's it's somewhat interesting but she still has by far the best chance of winning in the final three.

If she loses, then it could become this interesting Survivor 43 scenario of like, okay, choose your champion. Who wants to be the person to possibly slay the final boss and get all that credit a la Gabler? So I am most looking forward to the jury vote behind it. Also, because when it comes to prognosticating it all again, I think all of us and a lot of the community are kind of in agreement that pretty much Rachel's to lose at this point. But again,

if last season proved anything, it's that, and as your season itself proved in survivor 42, a lot can change once you get all dressed to the nines and sit down in those jury chairs one last time that is so i think that um i think i don't think the finale though is going to be that different than people thought just because wasn't the first hour of the finale the final five vote anyways and they've just shortened it to two so i feel like it's going to feel very similar except less satisfying because there's no actual voting out you know i think it would be great but apparently

not yeah i that's that's actually a really good point because it what traditionally was a three i mean at least in the most recent previous years three hour finale right the first hour was the final five and then the second two hours were all of the things that are going to be in this finale anyway so yeah all the fixings yeah Yeah, I guess it does make sense. I love Lindsay. I love that theory for the jury. I'm also hoping that that's what happens because then that will add at least more levels of intrigue or even if it ends up being still a Rachel victory, we can maybe get more explanation

as to why people voted the way they did and just get a little bit more clarity. So we don't have to wait until postseason interviews to try to understand how people are thinking. Though, if I were the business savvy players that some of these new era people are, I would actually be a little angry if more of my rationale was being shown. Because I feel like how much of a person's postseason cameo earnings are from people writing in and being like, here's $15. Can you explain to me why you voted for this person? Or why somebody else voted for it. Is there ever a way to make a side buck? I don't know.

I think people are still going to have intrigue, but I think the interesting, okay, my, can I give a hot take about the jury? Oh, always. Please. Yes. I think that while the old style questioning one-on-one was far more entertaining, that the new style of a panel results in a more informed decision and a better winner.

Oh, go on. I just felt that, you know, when you get up there, you soapbox for, you know, whatever, you don't really get to. It's it's and it's one on one. It's more about the the juror than it is the finalists. And that can be very entertaining when the jury is mad. However, I don't think it really gets the root of the game. But when it's structured as a strategic, social, physical, and it's a whole panel that is asking questions specifically about those aspects of the game uh you know our final tribal was like three hours was it not yeah we really delved into every one of those aspects to make an informed decision so i think that that is a better way to

result in an informed juror decision as long as people are open-minded going into it yeah i like that too because i did feel like back way back in the day day it was kind of like as long as people are open-minded going into it. Yeah. I like that too, because I did feel like back way back in the day, day, it was kind of like, as long as you knew how to say the right thing to that juror for your answer, it kind of was like, you had your moments to kind of win them. So I do like it being more broad where you really need to sell it to the whole panel. So I actually, I agree with you. I do like that better. I think it's less entertaining, but yeah. I mean, I don't know. It depends. I do like everyone asking a question. Yeah, and I do like sometimes now that you get a bit of like,

obviously with the more exclusive dynamic, you couldn't get many comments from the peanut gallery because the assumption or maybe like the actual production mandate was like, you'll get your time to stand up. Like, let's give this person their time. But, you you know i think if we get the old jury question format we don't get like the three way arguing of the anus last season where they're just all going back and forth and like kenzie and q were arguing and she asked tiffany for a clarification and tiffany's in the corner timing all the answers like i think depending on the cast and i think now that these casts have

gotten used to this dynamic they're able it's become a little bit more of like a more round table maybe Leon a bit of like a thesis presentation to a group of people as opposed to like what it was the first couple times they did it which is like okay I guess we're supposed to sit here silent and people will have to wait for Jeff to bring up the part of the rubric that we're supposed to represent right they should have given us a rubric that we're supposed to represent. They should have given us a rubric. I would have loved that.

Little categories. Outwit, outplay, outlast. I wanted to bring a notepad with everything we went over during like the whiteboard behind the scenes before we got there. And I could not bring that. I was like, I'm not going to remember all these things. I have a list. Oh, that's interesting. I want to know.

And if it doesn't get answered, I'm asking it. Because I've heard mixed things as to whether or not production lets you talk about the game while you're at ponderosa was that something that you were able to do was something that was like reserved for the night before final tribal that you went into a boardroom and just you know did a SWAT analysis of all the final three i don't know when people weren't talking about the game like that was literally i think the only thing I talked about the entire time, all you are doing is debriefing. I remember,

I don't know if it was the night before or two nights. I think it was the night before. Yeah. The night Jonathan came in. Yes. Cause it was you, me, Rox,

Roy were the, and then I think Jonathan came in and we were all acting as if, as one of the finalists pitching our own case till like 4 a.m it was really fun i actually really like the jury's always been my favorite part was uh romeo's lawyer and then he did a great job actually i was gonna say you were harry and i was mike right i think that's how we did it you all did a mock trial that's incredible it was so fun i really enjoyed it so then of course i had all my notes of all these great things we wanted to go over. So it's hard to remember it all in the moment. Oh, that's so, that's so interesting. Well, I think, um, to hear you guys say that you're, you're like, you're actually

practicing going through the whole thing. I think that also indicates how prepared you are, even if you don't have your notes with you for the actual jury, you know, round table, I guess a segment kind of. So in that final three, you can really get into all of those different points. You can ask follow-up questions. You can argue back to the person. You can have other people commenting. So I think it's just a way to really get to the root as Omar says, like you're getting to the actual root of the issue. So if they're able, if this season, which i think this season will do this exactly times 10 they seem to be so invested in the game this group is so into i bet you dollars to donuts

andy is already running like an algorithm the night he gets voted out as to like okay this is the game plug in number of immunity challenges divided by a number of times they were blindsided it's better because honestly a bitter jury is definitely not that entertaining um so it's nice i have a poltergeist in my apartment so no lights all of a sudden there's been back and forth i know no one can see this as they're listening but my lights keep flickering and now they're dim um don't mind that but i have a random question to ask you, Omer, because this is still kind of piggybacking off of last week,

but obviously a lot of conversations as to was Operation Italy, the best new era move, the best episode of the new era. And there are obviously a lot of other episodes of contention, one of them being, of course, your blind side. From your perspective perspective are you like how dare anyone try to one-up my episode or are you like good the more people that like don't highlight how i got blindsided the better i mean i think that that's a good question i think it's so i think it's more nuanced than just a yes or no. Like, I think that my vote out was presented as a very one sided effort.

You know, like it really looked like it was 100 percent Marianne. And I still think she was the most responsible for it. But there were parts that Jonathan and Mike played that were not really shown or highlighted just because it wasn't important to the end story, because going into final tribal council, there was still some question mark as to who the true ownership of my vote out was. There was contention about it and it was cleared up, cleared up at final tribal council for sure, in my opinion.

But I think that it was more collaborative move than was displayed on the show where but and also you could argue if lindsey had played the amulet would that have been a good move and it was like and no offense to us we talked about this at length we're stupid as hell for not doing that it was the obvious thing to do because it was the last time to use it and so if we had played from the ai optimal standpoint then that move would have not been good per se but was that marianne's only chance to like really make her mark and does she have to go for it regardless i think yes similarly to andy he's in a position where he must try something to have more win equity at the end, because if he just sticks the course, he's going to lose.

So I think he has to try something, even if it's more risky in the short term. And I think actually, even though he got voted out, we cannot be results oriented. That's the worst way to be the scientific process. Right, mommy? Right, Liana, as a scientist? That's right. Yes. Yes.

And so I think that, you know, even this episode kind of proved that it was the right move for Andy because Teenie flipped on Rachel. Yeah, like he had the numbers. It's just that Rachel had the idol that they know about, which you can't account for everything you don't know about.

Well, and also, yeah, exactly. So I had thought that Andy might have been voted out at final six as a consequence of the move because they really emphasize that Genevieve still had the idol, the potential idol. So I thought that maybe- He's a slice idol. Yeah.

So I thought that Teenie was going to maybe stick with Rachel and Sue, and then Nakruba3 was going to block a vote and then vote out Andy, thinking that Genevieve would never play the idol for Andy. So then he would have gone as a consequence of making that move. But the fact that he, I mean, that was, I believe objectively the right move. The only reason he ended up going out is because he makes this pitch to

Rachel for the jury management. Yeah, exactly. It was for jury management. And that's what ends up turning Rachel into wanting to vote Andy out wild to me. And that's why ultimately it's like survivor confidence. Whenever you have that survivor confidence, it always gets you. And that jury management was so survivor confident where it's like,

why as the receiving end of that, I don't care what it is. I am pissed. I remember when I had jury management, I'm like, this person just really is just putting the salt in the wound like now I definitely am not wait can you I don't even know this story did somebody from the jury manage you on the way out um it was kind of like I knew I was getting voted

out at five and I kind of felt like I it was like a dog's last day before getting put down that right Jonathan's like come on let's go look at the sunset together like slowly breaks your neck look at the rabbits yeah and then we were we were talking about something and i remember um it was mike and jonathan both at one point were just trying to like stroke my ego at the end when like i knew the conversation wasn't going my way and in my head i'm like i have an agenda in this conversation that you're totally going around just to give me a compliment I know that you're just jury man managing me now and now I'm really annoyed but let's go look at the sunset yes I would love this before they take you upstate just drop me off at a farm

oh my god yeah I mean it's wild because like, I would imagine on paper you're like, well, while I am sending you to the jury, there's a remarkably short turnaround, right? Even though this is one round earlier than you, Lindsay, it's still like three days basically until final tribal council. So it's like, let me get a good in word or from Andy's perspective, it's more so like, I don't know, partially,

let me kind of send my envoy you know like people respect you Rachel on the jury so they'll listen to you when you tell them just keep an open mind well I agree Leon I was surprised initially I think this makes so much sense in in a season full of complicated dynamics the Andy and Rachel of it all like let's look at the fact that the premiere started with andy pulling rachel aside in the middle of the night like and really starting to show how fractured his game would become with him being like i'm tripping right now you know you need to be bring me down from this high and she's like dude i can't do that right now now you're pulling us aside you expressly did what i told you not to do which

then leads to this really tumultuous game where he's gonna blindside her three times they're gonna keep saying they're gonna work together but kind of not end up working together and then culminating in this sequence where again andy is going to pull rachel aside and once again she will rebuff him and by basically taking away his buff in the form of idling i think was such an interesting thing i mean also the fact that the rachel's advantage not even the idol but the block of vote i think really came into play more than you may think because i if i were the majority here i split the votes two two between rachel and sue no and we still don't know like how much people knew about the red paint idol but like that seems to be the easiest thing to do do the whole John Misch vote

split it 2-2 to vote out Rachel on the re-vote because Rachel has this block of vote that now is super duper public information because Teenie thought that they were able to to out something in that moment before uh after Andy, they can't really do that. They kind of just have to throw everything behind Rachel and hope for the best, and unfortunately, they got the worst. Does still nobody know who the block of vote was from?

Well, based mechanically, it's not revealed, but they all know because Rachel told everybody, or told some people, and then Teenie told everybody. Oh. Yes, sorry. revealed but they all know because rachel told everybody or told some people and then teeny told everybody oh oh right yes yes sorry there's this idea of like huh this thing got you who most recently went on a journey by themselves and possibly could have come back with an advantage just by claiming that they didn't classic the uh another moment in the the rachel andy dynamic is when rachel is initially pitching why she should stay she has some really interesting comments to andy like she has one quote i wrote

down verbatim which says i think it's clear you're in dead last like rachel it was harsh i loved doing that i was like this is some juicy stuff to watch but it's But considering what she said to him on the way out, it does make a lot of sense too, right? You were very convincing, but not in the way that you thought. Yeah. Oh my God. I could.

So, I mean, definitely like Andy misstep in terms of the jury management, trying to do the jury management, but also the fact that Rachel's at the end though, also like, my God. I'm going to Emily flip and push back on that a little bit. Because I think, okay, so everyone gives Andy a hard time for doing that.

And I agree, maybe it went a little bit too far. But also I do think in his AI optimization, he is right. Like he needed to start that process of priming the jury before he actually gets in front of them. Because it seems like they're quite pissed at him. that process of priming the jury before he actually gets in front of them, because it seems like they're quite pissed at him and they are discounting everything that he's doing. And so how does he tangibly prove what he's doing retroactively when a lot of it is a lot more subtle? I think it is getting somebody in there. And if he thinks that Rachel's on his way, her

way out, I get where he's coming from. not so much detail i don't know but i think that the concept was i think it made sense yeah i don't i don't disagree oh go ahead go ahead lindsay sorry well first thing with what rachel said to andy of like you're dead last i thought that was a stinger but at the same time i kind of took it as she was trying to rev up his anger and be like you should be pissed because based off of what they did you're in last rather than her saying from her perspective you're in last kind of her being like that's how they perceived it and you should be just as pissed off so I could see that being her angle of kind of giving a harsh zinger to kind of get his emotions up. But then with the Andy thing, I agree. I think on one end, you can think, well, he needs to start pitching his case

because he understands that his perception of him is the total opposite. But then the way that I was thinking, at least how I was out there was I was kind of conservative of not wanting to have a risk of rubbing something the wrong way that I'm like, you know, if I make the final three, that's my time to pitch my whole story. So as long as I can explain it very well, I don't need to do it early and have them infiltrate the rest of the jury to convince them because I will do a good job in the final three to answer those right then and there. But if Andy felt that that might be too little too late late and they've already made their mind before walking in, then I could also see that being the case, too. And that's exactly what he told me in an exit press was that basically he's like,

listen, I could pull the Christy Bennett in an Australian survivor and give like this powerhouse speech or the Marianne as well in a manner of speaking and win hearts and minds over the course of an evening. But I know that's going to be very tough to do it's going to be uh definitely more uphill sledding i think than someone like marianne where there's just so much perception about andy specifically as a flipper that i think it's going to be very tough for him to prove like no but i was doing it for a good reason and i think that's what it comes down to me for andy is that while there is a surprising amount of emotion linked with his game he is someone that is trying to think about it

kind of from like an economic math-based perspective of like, this is what on paper I should be doing. I think what it comes down to is like, either the way you're doing it or the person you're doing it to as well, which is always those variables that you can't account for in this huge equation that is a 23-day game of Survivor. I think for think for me it's like i understand the logic behind doing that i think it's the way

that he i mean we didn't see everything but some of the quotes were also just a little bit awkward so like for example he told rachel yeah you'll be on the jury but i want you to respect my decisions to me like that comes across as like very harsh it's essentially saying you're going on the jury and I need you to do this instead of like hey let me advocate for why I think I did a good job it's like I'm telling you to do this and that's a very different it's it is trying to do the same thing but it's essentially telling someone to do something versus just advocating your point and then letting them like run with that and make that decision. So we didn't see the full conversation. So I don't, I don't know. And again, it was convincing, which is why I got her out. So maybe it was, it was, he was never going to win by trying to do

this anyway. But I think I'm just someone who's like hypersensitive to the way that things are phrased. Um, and sort of how you phrase things really impacts how that information can be received by others, even if the intention is exactly the same. Well, speaking of another complicated dynamic, I do want to get into a moment from the final five vote, because it's so interesting to experience a bit of cognitive dissonance where the night before everyone is giving their eulogy to this open casket service for Rachel talking about like how she's so great how she's this huge thread she would definitely go on to win or have a good chance at it considering her immunity prowess and the final four fire making she ends up surviving due to a nice of happenstance basket of fries from the

auction and then the next day when Rachel and Genevieve go off and do their uh for the umpteen time we're not so different you and I neither can live while the other survives you have these other three players being like look at them who do they think they are claiming they're the biggest threats in the game I mean Omer talk to me about this is

this like a conversation that we see all on the island on Survivor often and just doesn't really get shown until now or is this a special case with Rachel and Genevieve so I think my perspective was or my experience personally was I didn't want to talk about the end of the game with a lot of people especially in group settings I did not want I I was I was trying to act like I didn't even wasn't even thinking about the end you know we're kind of day by day so I wasn't even thinking about the end, you know? We're kind of day by day.

So I didn't really have those types of conversations. I know that Marianne did say at one point, Lindsay and Drea were talking to each other about how they were like huge threats and Marianne was just sitting there being like, Remember that? Okay. Well, what I was really doing was trying to, like, stroke Drea's ego in a way of, like, having that kind of reel her in. But the optics to Marianne looked horrible.

There's always a purpose. But, yeah, I would say that that was the closest thing that I could somewhat remember from our experience. But I feel like we didn't really talk about that that much in group settings. I felt like. Yeah, no, it was more so like who we've I for me, it was more so who I felt was like was very, I guess, like boisterous about like being in control of the game. Like there was a point where I felt like hi Andrea we're always pulling aside chatting about stuff and I'm like they were on two different tribes the only connection the two of them would have is the amulet and I have the third one why am I not in on this conversation the two of them seem really chummy and it felt

like they were kind of like yeah we're in control of what's going on so that was more of a vibe I had not so much of like we're gonna win we're the final two we control the game it was more that in the middle of the game that i felt yeah that's the uh the asia analogy that you brought up right of oh it's the group chat of three people the amulet people and then you see the two of them having lunch together and you're like uh why did you not fire this off in the group chat for all of us together i feel like we should put on our invisibility cloaks we said voldemort too many times now i know i i did kind of want them to try to figure out who was who like who did they think each one of them is which one's the harry potter and who's the no no is it is it more canadian to be like oh I'm the nicer one I'm Harry

Potter or is it more like oh you know what actually you can you can be here it's okay I'll be Voldemort I'll take that on you know what I forgot I want to be Voldemort I forgot that that was a line in the story my my referred to something else but I do think that uh i do think that uh i mean genevieve i think would also call herself voldemort because she when she talks about like putting up walls and blocking people is that not like wait who's everybody else then who's andy is he um like that andy no andy's ron weasley right because andy's like oh i'm the goofball who like actually is able to come in use at some points I know wizard chess and so I'm able to save everybody not me not Hermione you I think that

Sam is I don't know Neville who's Neville I was thinking Andy is Neville too okay I think Sam could be god now the names are escaping me. Robert Pattinson's

character. Cedric. Cedric Diggory. I mean, the way Teenie talked about Sam very much felt like the golden boy of Hufflepuff can do no wrong. Quidditch captain. Who's going to be Dobby? Teenie.

I don't know. Who's a character where everything goes wrong for them? Teenie's now free from her captor jennifer also a little lucius malfoy wait who is jennifer wait that is a good topic of well i guess jennifer clearly a slytherin no yeah yeah for sure okay but then Sue. Who's Sue? She's the last one we have to identify. I feel like Sue's a little bit like Tavi. I was debating the two.

She works really hard. Is Sue Hagrid? Think about it. Very earthy, loyal to the soil. I know that's not her phrase, but someone that is maybe not the the the highest level of thinking but like someone you can really rely on i think that's a good one i

think while we were incorrect about teeny sticking with rachel from last week sue is in her pocket i think that's actually if rachel wins is going to be an incredibly key part of her game is like forging this this last minute kind of bond with Sue over the fact that Caroline had gone. And so, yeah, I think that, and Sue, much like Hagrid, was a major part of the storyline early on before kind of fading away towards the end. That is beautiful.

I love it. Well done. There's so many things I want to do and see. Like redoing the basement without having to do it all myself. Or doing absolutely nothing. With a spectacular waterfall view, of course. So, I'm starting here.

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a... At United Way, we wake up to a different alarm every day. Help us end poverty and build a better GTA any way we can. Donate today at unitedwaygt.org. I mean, it's so interesting. I got to go. I'm talking with genevieve here i mean by far the most intriguing part of this final five which i agree with the omer no matter what happens next week i am kind of glad they went with this like two hour pushing the final six and final five vote together making them hour-long episodes because yeah even with something like the rachel idol play while it was so much, that was kind of the only storyline, so it didn't necessarily need to be dragged out

for another half hour. Is that the only storyline, or is that all they showed? Because we had the nullifier in our season that never showed. We had 90-minute episodes, so whatever should be shown should be shown. This is the longest runtime of any season ever, right? Yep, it is, because now that we have twice as long as ours was.

There's so much more stuff! love the 90 minute but anyway yeah but for the the big the big intrigue coming out of this final five vote was okay genevieve said her idol is fake but does that mean it's real because then she doesn't want us to vote for us okay sam said the idol was fake but does that mean that they want us to all put the votes on genevieve so that when the idol is real she then plays the idol and therefore is able to take one of us out obviously that 4d chest that you do while you are like malnourished to the to the nines and like you know negative calories to the billionth power but genevieve's i don't know if this is spur of the moment lie or the premeditated lie about how she got the idol clue and look production has certainly done

like to my joy a lot of weird goofy things in the new era but why on god's green earth would you put an idol clue under a greasy cheesy slice of pizza at the sanctuary. Would that not be the worst place to put a piece of paper in Survivor history besides me or the hole where everybody poops? This entire season Teenie keeps saying that she clearly has no idea of like

the real pulse of what's going on and when Genevieve said that Teenie's like you're lying so she didn't buy it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that was bad. That was really bad. And Genevieve, you had, I mean, granted, it's all rushed.

You're malnourished. Like, I get that. But you had time to think about what the story would be. You know what I mean? And that's what you came up with? You know, I wouldn't have picked up on the grease issue.

To be honest, I probably would have eaten up that eye. Hmm. No, unfortunately. I would have thought that it was... At the end of the game, it's hard. You are meant... The malnourishment really does play a role. Because on Australian Survivor, there was a clue in a pizza box.

That's true. But there was frozen pizza. Yeah, exactly. So, like, they made sure for the issue. Maybe, I don't know, what would have been a good alternative? Maybe for me, this only would have been a scoach better.

I would have said that it was Lady and the Tramp style connected to an end of spaghetti. And then when I slurped it up, there was an Idle's Clue rolled up sitting at the end there, and I almost ate it. You've already put it in food before, so. Exactly. It's fine.

I think it's fine. I think in the napkin you know easy yeah it was funny to me that teeny still quote unquote votes wrong so like because you see this whole thing where rachel's like look you're gonna get the blowback you know if like if this is accurate you're gonna get the blowback and then she votes sam but there actually was no reason to split the vote i think they did do that but it actually mathematically i mean i guess the question is like did they because then why the stalling in the voting booth there wasn't just teeny second third fourth fifth guessing themselves do we want to split the vote or not

that it was an intentional split but i don't think it made any sense for the numbers wise. Rachel and Sue left out teeny. That's in my head. Like, that's 100 percent what happened, that they decided, look, we're going to vote for Genevieve. The other two, like it's either going to be a three. It's either going to be a one two two vote or it'll be a three two vote like and then i think that they can use that argument against teeny that like look again teeny had no idea what was happening if teeny ends up making it to the final

three i don't know that was yeah the way that i read this and in that two two one they're they're their two votes would hold through in the tiebreaker right if they assume that jennifer and sam would throw their votes on Tini instead of Sue. Correct. Yeah. And Sue plays her idol anyway. So she would even if votes were on her, she would nullify them.

That's what I'm saying. Those two are guaranteed safe. So to them, they don't really care all that much. Right. Right. And do you think that Sue actually told Rachel about her idol and no one knew like the audience didn't know.

And therefore Rachel's like, we don't have to worry about this because they're not going to be able to put names on Sue. Cause she's going to save herself too. I did love that as well. That Rachel finds Sue digging at the well furiously and is like, oh, poor baby.

Let me, let me let you down. I felt like Sue's hands were shaking. Like, I don't know what else to do. It's okay. It's over. All I know to do is look for idols and make a fire. I'm trying one of the two things.

It's a good question, though. I'm trying to remember. Obviously, it was a long episode. I think... Who did tell Rachel? Did she tell Rachel about the idol on i don't i don't believe on screen i was more insinuating like behind the scenes because i told omer about my amulet well before when it was aired on tv i'm trying to remember what was rachel's reaction when sue played it because like there was surprise on sam's face there was surprise on td's face though

to be fair teeny could have been told this days ago and didn't believe it and now actually does you know what it really reminded me of was when Wendell played the idol on Laurel it's like this is my big move in the game and then Laurel

it's like she was always I think it's also I feel bad for Sue because like you just have Rachelachel pulling off this amanda kimmel-esque move of like you all thought i was dead in the water but i've been i've been swimming leagues ahead of you at this point and then sue's like and i've got one too does sue need to do the Andy and Operation Hagrid and play the idol on Genevieve to be like, I did that all on my own, you know?

I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a smart move at the end of the day if you're at the end and the jury's like, did you really want to save her? Going the way it's going, I don't think she's going to win,

so I feel like she needs something. I mean, that's the interesting thing and we've talked about this before, Liana,'m like i can imagine how tough it is as a survivor player to gauge how dead you're drawing not only from trying to read other people but also like just due to the fact that i don't think in this want to be like yup and i've got no chance of winning it's a tough reality to come to and so i would imagine and maybe when we talk to sue next week she'll she'll say otherwise but i would, unlike Andy, I don't know if Sue has necessarily hit a point where she's like, yep, I'm not looking great in the end here. I think she feels that, you know, she's got and I've seen some cases be made, not necessarily like a she'll win the game over someone like Rachel, but like certainly a bigger case than maybe we sort of, you know, tongue in cheekcheek talk about of like you know her being loyal to people and so they won't feel as burnt by her the fact that she did have an idol that

only a couple people knew about the fact that i mean she'll have another big bum to drop about perhaps her age that could be something to at least get a reaction out of people so i would imagine in her headspace right now uh she is is while she's happy to blow smoke into the fire she's not willing to blow smoke up anyone's asses at this point and play an idol on genevieve also she's just not willing to do some stuff for the million dollars and that's fine you know she wants to play the game that she wants to play so maybe that's just not in her um maybe her important goals are just doing what she wants like cartman she does seem like she's very much whatever I do what I want yes that's exactly right

one she um she explicitly said at the beginning of this episode that she wants to rip Andy's head off his shoulders so maybe she is interested in murder I just had to like clarify on twitter i've never murdered anybody and i have no plan is that what she said she did that during the kyle montage it was almost like a preemptive of like oh no what did i say about andy oh god i love her toughness though like i really do love her grit and she is strong from the very beginning i was like this chick has all of it. She's so strong. So I give her so much credit for that. And with her background of owning a flight school, I mean, I don't think anyone knows that about her from did she even acknowledge and say that?

I don't think she told people because Tiana didn't know. And there was lady pilot on lady pilot violence this season. Just crazy. I will be the shock to the jury if she makes it to the final three is like what her background is what she's done and that might just show some like layers to her of what she manages back at home outside of the game it also doesn't depend on how open-minded the jury is like i feel like sometimes they go in fully decided on what they're going to do and sometimes they are truly open-minded and i feel like for you know

from our experience there were some people that were like gonna vote the way they were gonna vote no matter what and then other people were even gonna give romeo a chance so it really just like for us we were like we need to hear x y and z from romeo and i just get that kind of a pitch as his lawyer the night before it was like pretty good. It was like, you know, Romeo spent his whole career building other people up. So that's what he had to do in this game to fall into the background. And, and I was like, oh, like if he, if he can like hold that off and the other two kind of mess up,

like King Romeo. I think one of the reasons why, I mean, listen, Ponderosa and your season is a touch subject, but I think that, you know, maybe one of the reasons why we needed was to see lawyer Roxroy is a version of this man that I didn't think I needed to see until you described him right now. That sounds incredible. Yeah. And maybe if we had a lawyer, Sue, lawyer for Sue, we would get something similar. I'm excited.

I mean, well, I see, I would, I would say Gabe, I would say Caroline, but Caroline is kind of the world's lawyer. Like she's more of a, like a public defender. And that should be like, give me your tired. You know, she's the statue of liberty being like,

everybody's great. You all did a fantastic job. If I can spend a million dollars, three ways we could. Yeah. She looks like Laurel from the challenge, but she's like the opposite. It does.

She doesn't look like Laurel. She's like Laurel's horc the challenge but she's like the opposite it does she does look like laurel from the she's like laurel's horcrux where it's like she represents all the goodwill that was taken out of laurel to become the competitor that she was um i did briefly go back to look at the reaction when sue plays her idol and it's very difficult to tell rachel essentially looks at the jury oh rachel kind of like smiles and looks at the jury. Oh, Rachel kind of like smiles and looks at the jury to gauge the jury's reaction. Genevieve is smiling at Sue. Sam looks just depressed and teeny's not in the shot.

So I think that's fun because every time an idol gets played, Sam is just, I mean, Sam was so downtrodden when Rachel played that idol, he thought it was him dead to right. So maybe he just blanket assumes like, Oh no, now,

now this is final destination. Now it's me this time finally wait what was your reaction lindsey when romeo played the fake one i mean we all were like it's not real there's no way that's real you've been the backup vote this whole time and you never played it come on so it was more like I gave him credit for it but I think we were all because like you're not supposed to show any reactions on the jury so I think everyone had to really hold it in of you were still in the game no he played

it didn't he play it when you were going home that was my vote yeah but like I saw that from so far away as if I was on the jury jonathan and mike treated you like a juror already so that's why you're already coming i do remember when he did that because i'm thinking like oh that was so annoying like i was so just more annoyed of myself going home that i'm like look at the charade can you track then what's everyone's reaction to when genevieve like kind of meekly holds it up

like i told you it was a fake i told you it was fake you try to play it just for the ultimate dramatics i feel like you go as far as you can you stand up you give it to death and then you turn around and throw it in the fire and you're like you know what jeff i'm gonna do this for you like it's sort of like when rome got to sit in jeff's seat like i've always wanted to throw a fake idol into the fire jeff can i do it yeah she had all of lockdown to think of that what do we think about genevieve because again i i do feel like now listen uh whether it be from a vocal perspective a mannerism perspective she's earned comparisons to parvati to kim but again like i i can't help but think about how her emotional trajectory seems to be the exact opposite of a lot of people where

they come in being like oh my god it sucks so much just to kill people's dreams and then by then you're like ah yes burn burn Genevieve is the exact opposite where she's like oh no I haven't made any friends oh this is terrible and then like hugs on the way out

it is such an interesting trajectory compared to especially in the new era a lot of the other people around her i guess lindsey's the genevieve whisperer what do you think uh i mean but this is where i feel like we're kind of the opposite because i felt like i really was trying to make really strong personal bonds and connections the whole time and that was a little bit made it like, I understood her difficulty because that was a difficulty I had, which was to my demise. Well, she, that might've been difficult for her too. So she was proactive to avoid that scenario while I didn't. Um, so I do think that's a little bit different. And, but at the same time, like, uh oh you're taking away an entire third of what you need to be to be soul survivor which is like having that social aspect so removing that now you're just strategic and challenge threat without having that third so uh I just feel like that's already just removing a

whole third of your game to show all the umph that you can have and I wish that she harnessed that earlier because I feel like that would have totally changed her game where she already was a very high threat that I think could have made it really well and possibly win that's the one issue that maybe would be the reason against her let's say her and Rachel at the final two I put

my game on Rachel over her for that social reason but if she figured that out early like how Gabler figured out his issue early on in the game and then resolved it I think she's a powerhouse winner I think that Genevieve is one of the most unique characters

they've ever had on the show and I've heard these comparisons to Parvati to Kim Spradlin I think early on I saw the Kim a little bit more than Parvati i never really have seen the parvati comparison i think it's a very much a uh vocal timbre thing yeah i don't even see i don't even hear that but nevertheless i feel like she it's it's rare to go 800 almost 800 people have played this game now to find somebody that is so uniquely different than

almost everybody else that's played in her journey it's so different that i think it is you know doing canada proud she did um the prairie provinces uh you know she illuminated the the prairie so that's great but i feel like she um she what was i gonna say i've oh yeah i really liked actually the way they started her story which was a nothing burger so then all of a sudden come out of nowhere and be like this dragon. I kind of liked that because it didn't go on too long. It wasn't like a Natalie Bolton. That was the whole season. Um, it was just a little bit at the beginning. And then we were really surprised as rare that we, as an audience are very surprised. And so I liked, I felt like I was, I was

constantly surprised by Genevieve and the game she was playing and the edits she received to where I think she was one of the most enjoyable people of the whole season. Yeah, this is, go ahead, Liana. I would love to see her back. Like, I would love to see what a Genevieve 2.0 looks like. I can understand also, though, how people feel like narratively, perhaps her story is done, like that she got a lot out of the season. She lasted till Final Five. Like, I could see that but on the other hand giving her a chance to kind of go back reflect think about how she played

the season how does someone because i i think she seems like someone who would be able to change and really be able to alter the way that she plays her next time out there which is why i would like to see her back yeah that's what that's what she communicated with me if i asked her like between genevieve the player and genevieve the person who are you bringing to a second time out and she basically said like okay now i realize that you know i can hurt people's feelings a bit and that i can also bring them and basically like the kind of final resting place she got to by the time she reached her final resting place it was just more so like by the time had done that, she had already kind of burned so many bridges with so many people that she couldn't really work

on those relationships. This time she would be able to, I think, come in with, yeah, I can blindside people, but also I'm not afraid to build bonds and hurt people's feelings too, because it is a game at the end of the day. Yeah, and I think I will say that I did relate to Genevieve's journey in one way.

It's just that it happened more off camera because the thing is, she's blindsiding people and they are telling her to her face like in the moment that really hurt. And then that really affected her and questioned everything she was doing. You know, I was kind of doing that, but I didn't really get that until after I was voted out. And then I was like, oh, regret everything I did. So then that is like I understand that kind of mentality. It's just that she had it during the game, which I think would have been a much bigger mind F than having it after you've already played, you know?

Yeah. Well, and early with Keyshawn, the ghost of Keyshawn constantly. Lindsay's poltergeist is Keyshawn. Yes. The six years of the final five, just showing up being like, Genevieve, look what you did to me it's it's so interesting because like what almost Genevieve's arc to me to your point Omer it's almost scripted to me like it

reminds me of a Tony Soprano-esque anti-hero where they start off and you're like wow you're like you're doing a lot of bad things it's like but there's more in there you know they're not necessarily they're doing it for good reasons or they have regrets and psychological complexities around what they're doing and we're you know maybe by the end of the series they don't want to be a mobster anymore you know they don't want to do those types of things and so to watch Genevieve's arc I agree Liana does feel fairly complete for this season but would be really interested to see how like her general digestion of Survivor as a game which was as graphic as it is kind of a reverse digestion of how a lot of players uh typically go through this game how she would what really well they can uh push stuff backwards a little bit wow talk about defying gravity yeah uh some space for that

i was thinking in general too like if we're gonna expand this to any player that's gonna go back to season 50 or just in general like any returning player i it makes it makes me think like as we're talking of like okay like if i was genevieve like how I would play differently. And I think the other layer of what I would say would help her feel confident in changing the way she plays is also the aftermath. Like now the game is over. You've spoken to all of your castmates. You see who's still pissed off, who isn't and being like, okay, as much as that would have sung in the moment, everyone got over it or they didn't.

And that also kind of helps you not put as much weight to hurting people's feelings when you go back in and play but alternatively I think it also goes to whatever PTSD each player has had when they left the first time that might be haunting them the second time they play because I could see the opposite for a player however their backlash was with their castmates and then getting kind of more emotionally sucked in the second round so there's just so many complexities to any returning players i think it's so fascinating and an entirely different realm of playing than walking onto the beach with no one knowing anything about you and your gameplay so i think no matter who

would go back there's a chance of complexity of different gameplay based off of their past experience well the good news is genevieve's already been haunted right she already has that that experience with kishan's spirit so it's like great my past has already been living rent free in my head this is just how i've lived the past week in the game maybe it seems like lindsey's light got brighter maybe the poltergeist likes what she's saying and when it doesn't like what she's saying, it goes dim like we should track. Is the poltergeist a casual? Casual? Is that what you said? You cut it right there.

I was like, what does the poltergeist think about Saul? Does the poltergeist like Saul? It just dimmed a little bit. Is it a Saul-terguise? Alright, well It just dimmed a little bit. Yeah. Is it a salt or ghost? All right. Well, let's get into on that very stupid transition into some of our preseason predictions on these two boots because they were big ones, big characters, big players.

But did we assume that would be the case preseason? Let's start with baby Andy. Should I judgey and she judges genevieve's oh that'd be fun let's do that let's do that all right liana yeah okay well this might not matter but all right so i had andy as technically pre-jury but the fake merge boot so i said that andy had shot out of a cannon energy as soon as his feet hit the beach unfortunately his enthusiasm and obsessive personality soon as his feet hit the beach. Unfortunately, his enthusiasm and obsessive personality rubbed his tribe mates the wrong way,

leading to him being alienated from the tribe. However, once he settles into a flow, his charm and disarm strategy coupled with his challenge strength, get him back into the good graces of the tribe. Come the fake merge slash mergatory. Andy runs the numbers on his temporary group dynamics and realizes he's in trouble no amount of grip strength could save him from getting his

torch snuffed uh i had andy making the jury okay we'll start off a little cold here andy's intense intense challenge prep pays off in spades making him one of the mvps of gata early on uh maybe he was an mvp of challenges but in a different way. Yeah. Despite his obvious eagerness to finally be on the show, Andy is able to practice restraint when it comes to idols and advantages. He very explicitly doesn't volunteer for journeys and go on hunts, instead turning

others on those who do so. When Andy sees some new faces outside of Gata, his game takes off. He's finally able to connect with Asia, immediately jumping over to lavo to leave his former tribe members behind things get complicated though with the tumultuousness of the post-merge trying to mimic that ferris-like game andy will play as a round by round free agent choosing who to go with based on what's best for his ai-like algorithm that round parentheses and

there will be plenty of confessionals about that. Unfortunately for Andy, his fate in the game ends similar to how it did for the new era player he wants to mimic the most, Omer. At the final six, Asia and Teenie realize Andy has been in the know for pretty much the entire post-merge, making him a huge threat. So when Teenie

plays an idol, they decide to break their promised rhap final three sending annie out of the game by the thing he was said was the most overrated in survivor history the hidden immunity idol his uh closest allies were rachel sam and asia and his enemy was foreshadowing in many ways you both you both have the um enemy exactly correct you know andy is looking forward to the final three so he's making his case foreshadowing not the best thing to do for rachie and then um uh overthinking i mean i think we've seen that you know so very good but ultimately it was the bloom that will get the point i think she mommy knew she i know i know i know that's why i tried to do some jury management and apologize to liana

no no i get it my predictions have been have been off mike and i were in lockstep for a while and then somehow we just started to completely you know we're really like rachel and andy we're like at the merge we just could we just kind of deviated and never came back together well that being said i'm gonna i'm gonna give you i think this one's gonna be a bit of a freebie here not to put the ball in lindsey's court too much because uh this one oh no this might be bad across we might actually make her job harder than we thought because unfortunately, I did have Genevieve going out pre-jury. I said, despite Genevieve's self-admitted

lack of outdoorsiness, she'll get a few noticeable reactions and confessionals as she stands back and watches how seemingly adept the other Lavos are around camp. When Genevieve sees Rome out looking for idols, she'll trail him, intending to either catch him in the act or try

to enact her pre-season plan of sabotaging the beware advantage challenges this sketchy activity though brands her as a danger to the majority alliance while definitely seen as the outcast of lavo asia and teeny bring her in on a women's alliance on the side and it's able to keep her safe when she's presumed dead in the water at her first tribal council, but she is deemed more reliable than Kishan. The Baldur's Gate aficionado, however, is not able to level her game up when the swap hits. Left on a tribe with Asia, Genevieve feels confident enough to begin to make cross-tribal connections,

spilling the secrets of what happened the first week on the island. One of Asia's biggest assets becomes a liability, so she disbars her own personal lawyer by blindsiding her at their next tribal council. Genevieve will have one of the most low-key, oddest edits during her handful of episodes on the show. Of course, she is branded an internet darling and a must-return contestant for season 50.

Okay, well, I mean, it wasn't that hard. Oh my god. Her closest allies were Asia andia and teeny and her enemy was herself this is like my like mike has a pair of threes but i have a pair of twos like that's how it feels right now okay so let me read mine i also had genevieve pre-jury which by the way very happy to be wrong on that yeah very much so to see her play more so genevieve formed a tight bond with kishan as soon as their feet hit the beach but failed to form any tight emotional bonds with the rest

of the tribe this left her and kishan on the outs when lavo goes to their first tribal council okay so this is what we're talking about with leon and i were in lockstep as to how lava would be initially yeah being the savvy corporate lawyer she is genevieve recognized her position and decided to roll the dice on her shot in the dark. Despite all her practice playing Baldur's Gate 3 before coming out to play Survivor, the roll doesn't hit and Genevieve is sent on the pre-jury trip. Her ally was Keyshawn and her enemy was the shot in the dark.

I mean, she did say at one point, remember when she gave up the shot in the dark and she's like, now that I've eaten the rice, I'd rather have my shot in the dark back. I know, right? All right, so Lindsay I've eaten the rice, I'd rather have my shot in the dark back. I know, right? All right. So, Lindsay, as Liana said, it's definitely a tough to pick a winning hand here amongst the low draw that Liana and I both have.

But the choice is yours. Yeah. I mean, both of you definitely hit something that was obviously what happened. And then the rest obviously went a different direction. But, Mike, I will give that one to you, given all the other things that you're saying but liana i mean in the very beginning you really nailed it i'll take that i'll take my very first second prediction yeah it's very much the genevieve story of like in the beginning you were killing it you were nailing it and then like at a certain point it hits the fan but even like mike you nailed the weird edit right because i would say the the her being absent

for the first four episodes and then coming in is this dragon like character I think that that that totally fits but that's a weird edit to me yeah so well we'll talk about this more next week remember you and I did the the preseason superlatives and I do remember saying that most likely to have a purple edit I thought was going to be Genevieve and I

I thought I'd be on the money as well though yeah exactly like it's interesting, Lindsay. Again, another comparison between the two of you is I feel like there was so much discourse in season 42 of like, who's Lindsay? Where's Lindsay? And that obviously wasn't the case by the time you were both voted out in fifth place.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. That's why like after my season and knowing my story and then watching, I have such a different perspective of having such a strong judgment of each player because I'm like, there's a lot, they probably didn't show us. So I know that they're trying to lead a certain agenda and storyline,

but who really knows who's really working a lot of the stuff. Cause you have to fit in everyone's story. So it's interesting. I will say that. I think that that is much better in the 90 minute situation than it was. I think in the 60 minutes, it was so easy to bury people that were very important. Like the first eight episodes or seven episodes really did not showcase lindsey at all but she was like a very big part of what was going on and that was very odd to see um but then obviously it

finished up with very strong you know well thanks but yeah that's a part of the reason why i'm a little bit personally offended that we didn't get 90 minutes. Because I'm like, there's so much more to tell. I was there. Do the recut. Exactly. Except on the final six episodes. So you really need Snyder Bro-esque fans of season 42 to really put in the petition to Jeff of, okay, re-release this season with the way it should in 90 minutes.

We'll bring back a lot of people from season 42 to returning season since there's a lot that you didn't see in players. I think there's a lot to say of complexity that no one knew. In case you know anyone. And the poltergeist is as bright as ever. It's bright as yet. Lighten up the room. Well, I think when the poltergeist

heard that Jonathan has a chance of returning, the casual they are, they're like, oh, great. Okay, sure. We love that all right well we are going to finish although we are far from done here hopefully as strong as Lindsay's edit was with a game that

started coming about actually in these 90 minute episodes Omer you have brought this game in it has been a fantastic staple of the end game we did it for 44 you monster we did i didn't remember that oh you know what now i do now i know actually i think we did it for 43 as well now well yes but i wasn't on for 43 i gave you the info and then you did it yeah so now that you've been able to lend your voice to it we're excited for you to continue to do so as per usual

you have done speaking of uh your own spradlin s comparisons your own animal analysis for the cast of survivor 47 and with that i will officially hand off control to you sir wonderful okay so this game is matching each of these 18 18 all of them castaways with their most um like a like animal sometimes that's looks sometimes that's personality sometimes it's gameplay and it's often a combination of all three so a fun little wrinkle for this one is if you're trying to guess you could also just for funsies ask me you know one question easily like uh how much does this person look like their animal and i'll give you like a an answer but it's very subjective so you can get thrown off so i like it we will give an example or we'll go through the

first one it'll be easy um we'll take turns on who goes first we're gonna start with mike because mike told me beforehand he thinks that he should go first as the only man here. That's what he told me. Wow. Classic Mike. That was my lawyer, Rox Roy, who was representing me. Yes, yes. But in reality, I'm just going in the order that you were on screen.

But you'll take turns going first. You have an opportunity to win three points. However, if you see the animal, you have no idea what it is, you want a hint, you can sacrifice a point to go for two points and then if you don't get it right we will go for the steel um we will go through all 18 and at some point we're going to reverse uh we're going to turn back time bring it back that classic twist and show you the person and you have to guess the animal oh now to give you do you guys all remember the animals i have given you in the past i remember red tail hawk yeah that's fucking right yes i was a i was a mirror meerkat yes so on the island oh i think i was australian shepherd no absolutely not i would never give you a dog you know how i feel about dogs. I know.

Okay, so yes. Also, as a disclaimer before we get into the actual castaways, if you don't like your animal, that's not my problem. I like all of these animals, and if you don't appreciate them for what they are, then you maybe misunderstand them. I am sorry to say. I didn't give anybody like an English Bulldog, which I don't really like. Um, I didn't give anybody like an English bulldog, which I don't really like. So until I do, I don't want to hear it. And maybe you should look into your animal further and see the light inside it that you do not. How about that? All right. So Lindsay was the ant, but that was because I think it's often underrated.

The ant is actually one of the hardest working animals in the animal kingdom. They actually focus a lot more on the colony than their own individual interests because they're collaborative and a team player and they work hard as hell. Now, of course, I chose the ant from the animation rather than a, you know, a real life picture. Yeah, but that's Princess Anna played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the hit movie A Bug's Life from 1998. Which is an excellent movie, by the way. Great. Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the hit movie, A Bug's Life from 1998. Which is an excellent movie, by the way. But also I was like, but Lindsay's so cool.

Does she really get an insect? So I did also give her a backup animal, which is the Thompson's gazelle, because extremely athletic, lives in large groups, you know, plays for the herd. And the athleticism on a Thompson's gazelle is unmatched. So that is Lindsay. All right. Yeah. We're also coming up, by the way, on that on the 15 year anniversary of when that photo

was taken. Yeah. So this is your early days. I'm 20 years old. Oh, little baby. My. Yeah. And there's Liana and her micropipe head again.

Yeah. Hello. All right. These are the animals. And there's Liana and her micro pipette again. Pouya, hello. All right. These are the animals we will be talking about this time. There are 18 correct answers here and six decoys. We have the aardvark, the aardwolf, bush baby, cape buffalo, cormorant, clouded leopard, duck, etc., etc. You can watch the video. We will go through these one by one, and we will see.

So the first one, Mike, for you is the saddlebill stork. Look at this little cutie with his little eyes. That is wild. Imagine if your mouth was like 15 times the length of your head. Yes. And you know what? You know what? For all those people

out there being like why a saddlebill stork what about a marabou stork or the european stork which brings the babies allegedly yeah as many people are responding to this well they can go fuck themselves because this person is a saddlebill stork and not all of those other ones so just all right here well for the uh the sake of displaying the full mechanics of the game, I will forego the outright guess to get a hint about the qualities of the Saddlebill Stork. All right, so Mike is sacrificing

three points to go for two points. This Saddlebill Stork, very stealthy in their hunt. They're very smart, much more than you think. As a social species, they have much more intelligence than you would think,

and they're very tall. Okay, so this will not be my final answer like let me talk it through a little bit my first answer would be genevieve because she is tall and i think up until the point where her game got blown up there was a lot of idea about her being very stealthy my other one might be saul because saul is someone that was also pretty under the radar, obviously was able to find the advantage anonymously and play it on Rachel. So I am going to go with, and smart as well, I'm really between those two.

I will go Occam's Razor here and say Genevieve. All right. Well, very good guesses, Michael Bloom, Michael Scott Bloom. People, what people don't realize from the show is that Saul is a short king. Oh, you know, not as tall as he looks on the show. However, still, he's not short, but you know what I mean? He's not tall as you think. It is Genevieve.

That is two points for Michael Bloom. All right. We're off to a good start. I can't even remember who won last time, but Liana, it's your turn. Okay. With the golden hint. Oh, look at me! Yes, look at those little paws, you know. Okay, I would also

like the hint, please. Coward. Okay. Fun, a meme, short-lived. Oh, come on they live two years on average and sometimes less sometimes a little bit more

usually die of heart disease or cancer this is like the Jelinski of rodents yes oh my gosh okay well I'm gonna I'm just gonna go with my initial gut my initial gut was John Lovett like before the hint no after the hint?

No. After the hint. You're correct. Yay! Last time it was a while before you guys even got. I know. We've come around to it. We've gotten adjusted now.

This one is one where the look also strongly matches the person. Do you see those beady little hamster eyes? Yeah. Okay. All right. Lindsay, the clouded leopard. So I already had an idea of what I might want to do for this, but for the sake of not wanting to really

lose points, I'll sacrifice a point and get a clue. Somehow helps me. Lindsay gets four descriptors. Tactical, versatile, determined, warm. Ooh. Hmm. Okay.

So I have... Okay, so the warm, it makes me start to think Caroline. Because I do think that she was underestimated in her edit, that she definitely had a lot of fun, and she might have been able to be seen.

Let me just check. Ooh. Or do I want to go with Sierra on this? I'm going to go with Caroline Lindsay is wrong Mike for the steal tactical versatile determined warm now like with the latter

three I would think Kyle but I think that Kyle wasn't necessarily personified as the most tactical person. I didn't scroll up on my list. Alright, I know who it is. Just take the win.

I already know. I gave it to you. Is it versatile? Oh my god. I will go with... I mean like... See, oh man. I almost want to bounce it back to Lindsay will go with I mean like ah see oh man I almost want to bounce it back to Lindsay and give her I might like see my time

to Lindsay to give her a second chance go ahead you know what do it guess again is it Rachel it is Rachel I had my list of people and I already had three people scroll down so when I was Michael Bloom giving

Lindsay his guess? Or was that you giving it back to Lindsay because that's against the rules I'm Sam being like my stomach is full of points right now. Lindsay you do, you take the points I'll give her the one unless Liana objects

and I don't know if Liana supports other women so I guess we're finding it right now what are you guys I'll give myself one point for this of course Lindsay can have the point I actually yeah I had no idea so I'm happy someone got it it's Rachel

Lamont clouded leopard in the forest being all sneaky you don't really know she can play different types of games she can be in the of games she can be in the major alliance she can be on the underdog but she always has that goal in mind and her social game is very strong so she's a warm player all right and some people have even claimed if she wins is going to be the best winner of all time of any franchise so there we go the emerald tree boa we are back to michael scott bloom okay well we know that one player did

outright call himself a slithering snake but i am going to hear the qualities of this particular snake to see if it differentiates yeah because there's many different types of snakes mike patient precise and strategic patient is the very interesting word to use here because again i think that while andy was precise in the move that he made uh there's so many quotes about how messy he is how sloppy he is that i don't know if that if that ends up getting linked up to this i will go with car because I think Caroline is somebody who was patient about turning on Gabe until a certain time.

Again, very precise with her maneuvers and obviously one of the bigger strategic people in the end game. I saw a face from Liana. What were you thinking? That was the first name that popped into my head. That is correct. So if Mike guessed...

Ugh. Yeah. Screw you, Mike. Two peas in a pod. That's another two points for Michael. Yes, if you look at this snake, it just sits in the tree like that, coiled up, waiting for its prey. It doesn't need to go chase it down.

And when it strikes, it strikes hard and it gets its food and there's that, you know? That's what it is. Liana, the Cape Buffalo. Oh, look how cute. Okay, I will... Yeah, the Cape Buffalo. Oh, look how cute. Okay, I will. Yeah, I got it.

I wanted to just guess outright, but I think I need to take the clues. All right. Assertive, deliberate, can be goofy. So the context behind that is many people see the Cape Buffalo. They hear all the legends. This is one of the big five, I believe. The Cape buffalo, they hear all the legends. This is one of the big five, I believe.

And it is known as possibly the most dangerous animal in all of Africa because it kills a lot of people. And you wouldn't expect that from a buffalo, but very aggressive. However, if you hand raise them, I've met a few hand raised Cape buffalo and they were very nice. They're like kind of goofy and they, you know, they have a softer side that many people don't know about or maybe see on the tv oh gosh okay i don't i don't know i'm sort of between a few different people i'm gonna go with saul liana is wrong and i'm gonna to guess Saul so I kind of like

yeah that was my first guess as well especially the can be goofy of it all yeah exactly on to Lindsay okay so first question this can be a dupe animal correct the answer could be none of them or no

so these are all these all have a person later the decoys will come into play okay so no duplicate people it's all one time yeah so at first when i thought assertive and deliberate i was thinking rome because he seemed to have a very strong way of going with things and then can be goofy because on my end of watching it was very entertaining but with your background of depending on who raises them they could be warm hearted I'm gonna guess Sam that is

wrong Michael Bloom for the steal those were my top two guesses to be completely honest um a sort of deliberate can be goofy alright this might be a little out of left field, but like,

and not to say this was goofy, but like when Anika got voted out, the idea of much like Rachel does her closest ally dressing up for her own funeral that night for those of us that were in New York. Yeah. It was very, very fun. I wouldn't call it goofy, but I think is lighter and more comedic

than maybe the incredibly assertive edit that she gave indicated. So I'm going to take a shot in the dark because I didn't give mine away and we'll say Annika. Ooh, Michael is wrong as well. You're all wrong. No points on this one.

And it's clear that you would all have known the answer had you read Mike Bloom's exit interviews. So even Mike didn't read them. But apparently this person was very goofy all around Cam and at Tribal Council, very straight-laced, very scary. And he had his game.

He had a plan and he followed through and they didn't really show it on the tv but apparently can be goofy if it's either the right family can i say that when you first put the buffalo i had gay's picture next to me and i'm like they look the same but not not in a negative way it was more just like the windswept hair kind of gives volume in the way that like kind of like the horns so that's kind of when my first thought was all right let's go with the description lens don't go you can really see it you know there is a there is a resemblance here it's probably like a six out of ten

but it's it's there it's not all the way there but i agree all right the ard wolf who are we on now i think oh so i think it's lindsey l Lindsay. I'm intrigued because I did not know this was an animal until you put these words together. This is related to the hyena, but they only eat termites. Oh, is that why? So that's why the Ard part comes from? I guess. And they come out at nighttime.

Ooh, okay. What? Oh. Am I mixing it up or was there someone this season that had to do something at night um while everyone was sleeping it wasn't but there but there were people who decided to do things at night because everyone else was sleeping i will say i don't even know what you're talking about it has nothing to do with that oh okay i thought i was getting a clue without you telling me um for the sake of never heard this animal before and the clue you just said has nothing to do with it i'm gonna end

for a description all right quiet sneaky busy you know they gotta eat a lot of termites to keep that body weight up you know um i think it's true for the sake of being busy and constantly like doing stuff and being quiet with it because no one knew that she had the, the red paint one. But was she really that quiet or was she pretty vocal about how she felt about things? So I don't know. Do I go with...

Ooh. Do I go with Kishan on this one? Is that your final answer? Yeah. I'm going to go with... I'm going to go with I'm going to go with what did I say? So you said either Sue or Keyshawn

We'll do Keyshawn The correct answer is Keyshawn Yay! That's two points for Lindsay I didn't think I'd win any of these Alright, yes Quiet, very sneaky always eating termites Classic Keyshawn That's two points for Lindsay. I didn't think I'd win any of these. All right. Yes. Quiet, very sneaky, always eating termites.

Classic Keyshawn. Classic Keyshawn. I mean, I don't know how much caloric value they bring. So I imagine you have to eat them. I mean, Lindsay, you might have to clarify as a nutritionist how much termites you have to eat. That's actually not worth it. Yeah, it's not worth it. Lindsay always told us that because you'd have to eat so many to get the benefit. But if you look at his little eyes in this photo,

they kind of look like glasses. It kind of reminds me a lot of that. I thought you meant Keyshawn. I'm like, I'm pretty sure those are glasses. I see it. You know what it really gives me? If you zoomed in on this picture of the Ardwolf, it really gave me that Genevieve flashback of Keyshawn smiling like a joker, you know? All right. So after two rounds,

each Michael has four points. Lindsay controversially has three. And Liana has two. So we are back. All right. All right. So I have a small lead here and we've done otters. I feel like in the past, but I feel like the river otters. We have not done a river. We have not done an otter in the past. No, no all right well then i'm just misremembering everything so i'm gonna not trust my judgment here and go with the clue all right that's what i thought bitch all right gregarious athletic goofy interesting because oh man i do i go for like the knee jerk answer here which is rome because like rome is goofy not a lot of people on the island necessarily liked that form of goofy but like the edit

goofed on him plenty so i'm just gonna say rome here mike is wrong whoa oh interesting my first thought with i don't know why, but the picture was giving Kyle like I look at the little picture of the river otter and for some reason I saw Kyle. So I'm just going to stick with my gut impression. Is that your final answer? Yeah.

Liana is wrong. For the second. I'm going to go TK. Oh, you're all wrong. OK, the resemblance on this one is like so high with the cast photo what oh yeah you see that a long neck yeah i see it i see you don't see that yeah that is like if people are the first hands out the most to me, if people are listening to the audio. The fur stands out the most to me. Yes. If you are listening to the audio, you need to actually look at this side by side. It's uncanny.

But yes, this is actually perfect. I actually had Sam as a golden retriever, which before you say, oh, does that mean you hate Sam because you hate dogs? No, the golden retriever is one of the few dogs I love. And, but then the river otter, I saw this picture. I was like, no, absolutely not. It's definitely river otter.

Do you think Sam has ever tried whatever that river otter has in its mouth in that picture the fish definitely and i think raw as well can't eat fruit but he can golem style just dig into a raw fish yeah i mean he's digging into raw fish and and butoc before he's tried kiwi or pineapple like please i was blown away with the lack of foods he's had and i was so happy that he got to try them on survivor because he probably wouldn't have tried them if he had a platter of that and any other time when he wasn't starving so thank god he got to try some more options yeah lindsey would have had a heyday with that yeah that's actually pretty wild the more you think about it that in a show where you are starved in so many ways this was a way for him to expand his palate what an ass backward logic with the

most limitations of food yeah it's wild that just shows i'm curious of what his day-to-day eating is it's probably four items yeah i think it's very much the uh the peter brown like chicken you know uh chicken nuggets chicken tenders and fries you know i love I love that. The main wolf, Juliana. Look at the legs on that. It's like the Naomi Smalls. Legs for days. Is this one where they resemble their animal?

I would say the resemblance is probably like an 8 to 9 out of 10. Oh, wow. Alright, start looking at those legs, people. I'm guessing.'m straight i'm going with kyle yeah that is right i remember from his cast photo thinking yes kyle's proportion like mike and i talked about this i was like kyle is so lanky uh and then his slushy hair also adds to the fur yes it's so does in terms of like you know

if you're like uh you know how in those dating apps um you can have like a percentage match this is like a hundred percent percent match between these two elusive athletic pack oriented raising their family and then unexpected because you look at this it's a wolf do you think that it eats meat you'd be largely wrong they eat a lot of vegetables and fruit now what if that main wolf won chicken wings in the auction

well they sometimes do eat meat so that interesting you feed them too much meat in captivity though they're gonna get a big ass stone in their bladder and how about that so don't do that a lot of legumes as they say Kyle

Kyle Lindsay you are looking at the nene watch it nene yeah I was gonna say this is the nene I'm not sure I'll go for the description, please. All right.

So the Nene is also known as the Hawaiian goose. It is confident, assured, and a national treasure. Oh. A national treasure. Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Maricena, I'll go Tiana. That is correct for two points. The minute you said Hawaiian goose, I was like, it's gotta be that. I didn't even hear you say that part.

Ooh. I was really upset to not see her make it into the jury yeah yeah that was a tough one to watch yeah very sad and the hawaiian goose was very endangered the nene and now it is a national i think it might be the national or the permit or the state bird of hawaii oh maybe i could be wrong about that but it is revered and it almost went extinct and if you look at it you know they both have that power pose you know that's that's a classic uh hawaiian goose right there all right yeah all right so now after three rounds we have five points liana five points lindsey four points michael that's the new that's the new era baby you're out in front, and then all of a sudden

you fall behind. Yeah, that's what he gets. You know? Alright, the guinea pig. Whoa! Look at this little booty. Alright, did you say booty? Cutie. Oh, cutie. I was like, I'm not checking out the

apple cheeks on the guinea pig. I should have actually put up a picture of the other end of one as well It's shocking Appalling some could say Doing clickbait around guinea pig asses I don't know where we've gotten at this point in the podcast Yesterday we had to do a boar cleaning On one of them

Because as they get older And a little saggy back there A lot of poop and stuff accumulates In the little sack and you have to clean it out it's called the boar cleaning yeah oh that's fun all right well i will have you bore into the characteristics of the skinny pig give me the coward all right here you go social charming vulnerable delicious question mark delicious oh so this vulnerable social charming despite unfortunately how uh you know empty-handed and left-footed they've kind of looked the past couple weeks

i'm gonna say teeny that is correct yeah that was my first gut too you know and also that's two points for mike now he's and you know the delicious you know this is a prey species everything wants to eat them and genevieve has been eating up teeny for weeks now you know that's a predator i also think using the more metaphoric definition of guinea pig as sam said whenever you want a piece of information out in public tell teeny and so teeny's kind of the guinea pig of like yeah i found the clue under a pizza slice i have an idol yeah we they say uh and then also um you know as as as loud as these guys are especially when they're being um you know you're giving them fluids or taking blood they'll scream bloody murder

uh because they don't have a lot of defenses. You know, they can't really do anything when the claws are coming out, you know, other than scream and squeal. Poor little things. All right. Liana, you're up. Rhinoceros.

Oh! Specifically, the hook-lipped rhinoceros or the black rhinoceros As it's also known as Shoot Um I'm gonna play conservatively You can be mad at me but I'm gonna take it

I'm sorry I know Hey look I'm the only one who guessed that right Yeah Liana took that big risk She was trying to like go back to like Alright now I just gotta play conservatively yeah okay i respect it a bit more confident mighty and wayward okay so there are i was hoping that that would immediately so there's two people that i am debating between i don't want to say them out loud, but I'm going to go with my first gut, which was Rome.

That is wrong. Oh, no, Rome, not Osiris. Lindsay for the steal. That was my gut too for one of them. So now I was like, oh, what would be my backup? If Rome was, you know, getting into a fight with Saul, though, he's not gonna win and this Ryan was gonna win

Saul was kind of my backup on there um then again like Sue's pretty tough but then again I don't know she has confidence in her feelings I don't know in terms of like confidence in like what

might be going on with everyone else um i'm gonna go trying to think of who we have left um yeah i'm gonna go with saul that is wrong as well. Michael Bloom for the steal, double steal. All right, so I'm thinking about this. Wayward, I define as like difficult to control, someone who's a little bit more unpredictable. And this might be a little out of left field, but TK, incredibly confident in his three-person alliance, very physically strong, very mighty.

And Wayward, two days after Andy went on into an entire Shaquilla on the mat, decides to do the same thing, calling out Tiana for, I guess, being too happy about losing. I'm going to go with TK the Rhino here. Michael Bloom is correct. Yeah, that was the other person I was between. Yes, he does it his own way.

And that is the TK way, but he's very strong and able to back it up. And that is the rhinoceros. Now, why might you ask, is he the hook lipped or black rhinoceros as opposed to the white rhinoceros? And it's not what you would think, people. It's the white rhinoceros actually is a lot more collaborative and they can live in small groups and they're good with that the black rhinoceros does things their own way and that is the tk way so that is and it's for all of you thinking oh well why isn't he the sumatran rhino because he's not a sumatran rhino is not that wayward you know they're just trying to hang on and survive from extinction okay okay that's all thank

you for clarifying yes all right next we were all there are two other rhinoceroses but we won't go into them oh wow well actually bonus point if anyone can name one of the other two rhinoceroses the brown rhinoceros i'm assuming it's not color-based i will say if there's a hook clip, I would say, is there like a triple-backed rhino? Big horn! No, no. The other two

rhinos. African rhino. No. There is the black rhino, the white rhino, the Sumatran rhino, the Indian or greater one-horned rhino and the javan rhino which there's only about 50 left in the whole world is that is that rarer than the white rhino then yes correct there's one subspecies of northern white rhino that is more endangered than that but right that's the whole thing about like the people keeping guard over it at all times

yes that's a subspecies all right wait where's the picture of this one it's not even there that's crazy is the picture you know that the picture was extremely um helpful in what it was um but hopefully it'll be on the next slide this is how much of a wild card you are this is why andy said you is because we didn't know if it was a bit or not that you just produced a black rectangle of nothing when it's the word duck pops up i thought that was the meme no no no no no no unfortunate all right um so it has its mouth open is that it's lindsey wait what are you talking about? You can see the picture? Well, no, I took a screenshot when you showed.

Oh, yes, yes. That's the one. You're correct. OK, so, yeah, it's Lindsay's go. But, Lindsay, it has an open mouth. And I assume that that is like the relevant thing that Omer is trying to point out. Why the picture matters. I'm going to go with Rome then.

Oh, you're going to do it without the clues. Sure. I'm not going to be a coward. And I don't even have a picture. So I'm really to go with Rome then. Oh, you're going to do it without the clues. Sure. I'm not going to be a coward. And I don't even have a picture. So I'm really going on. I'm literally shot in the dark. Yes. And she is wrong, unfortunately.

That was not staged. Michael for the steal. So Michael, you're in a position now where you could steal two points or you could get the clue and go down to one. I will get the clue here and try to narrowly extend my lead. Opinionated, collaborative, sassy. That is Annika.

That is correct for one point for Mike. And the other visual clue about the duck is, yes, it is quacking back at anybody that quacks at it. But also the picture of the duck is a female duck. It is a female mallard. So that was a secondary clue for anybody who could do that. So unfortunately we do not have the side by side, but we will later, hopefully.

So now if you look at where we're at. You can see the duck. Yes, we are switching things up here now. We have gone through 12 animals. There are six people left, and we are going to start naming them with the six. Like, we'll name the person, and you have to guess the animal from this remaining list of 12.

So you may want to take a screenshot or something to know what is still on the board. And to describe them to the audio listeners, it is the aardvark, the bush baby, the cormorant, the green-cheeked conure, a salmon, sea turtle, springbok,

tiger, white-tailed deer, and a yak. And ibex and kinkajou. Oh, I skipped the ibex and picked kinkajou. And these are the ones of the players that are still left that we didn't pick. Yes. And the decoys. So the decoys are now in this list.

Which is the bottom row, just the decoys. You didn't do that, did you? No, I guess we'll find out, won't we? It's alphabetical, but... All right. Back to Michael. For Andy, people are wondering, where's Andy? What's with Andy?

All right. So I'm going to again demo this a little bit be my own guinea pig because I believe if I take the two you will give your descriptors of this person which should apply to the animal yes okay so I will take the two you'll take the

two points yes okay so you want them all right unexpected undercover wacky okay so how do I know if a yak is wacky well it's in the song wacky wacko and dot yeah wackity yak uh i am going to go with okay unexpected undercover is a big one i feel like isn't the thing with like a cormorant that like sticks its head under the water to capture fish so maybe they dive underwater it's that head so i'm gonna go with the cormorant there michael is wrong oh moving on to liana for the steel yeah so i'm trying to

remember in china when they had like the the cormorants right get brought in to catch the fish for them yes and they would put an elastic band around their neck so it wouldn't go all the way down. Poor little things. Okay, I'm going to say a kinkajou. No. All right, Lindsay, for the next seal. Okay, so before you said the description,

I was thinking salmon because it's swimming upstream and I felt like it's swimming upstream, and I felt like Andy's going upstream this whole time. To save myself that I'm going to not get this answer correct. I'm going to do bush baby. Wondering if they are undercover because you can't really see them where they're hidden and they just look cute. So maybe they're wacky. Well,

you are all wrong and having fun. Isn't hard when you have a library card, a, a R D V a R K. He is the aardvark and he doesn't really look like a typical aardvark. So I went with the other commercial aardvark. But I would say this, this is a false advertisement for aardvark because i went with the other commercial aardvark but i would say this this is a false advertisement for aardvark because arthur is like i don't know one of the biggest

like blase main characters in pop culture yeah so i think that andy looks more like this arthur but is more like the animal aardvark how about that yeah okay i didn't realize that aardvarks were unexpected and wacky. So it's interesting. They're undercover. They're always underground, digging around, doing whatever they want. And,

you know, he kind of just looks like an aardvark as well. So I think that it all kind of just comes together for me here, you know? Okay. All right. Next up is Liana. For your girl, Asia Welch.

Like, I just want to get like, okay, you're going to give me Asia's characteristics. I'm going to be like, yep, that's Asia. I don't know. I'm interested to see how Omer describes Asia part low key. Eventually. Right. I'm saying from a game perspective.

OK, I'm going to guess Bush. So if you get Bush baby, correct, you will get three points and that will tie you with Mike. And you have tied with Mike. Nice job. I can feel it. Energetic. Fun. Look at those beady little eyes, you know?

So cute. That's Asia. Good call. Okay. How would a Bush baby react if somebody spit fish around them not not well they probably would have not taken it well been gaslighted and voted out the path for the bush baby um all right so lindsey now you are on the back foot here you have five points they have eight so you're going to sue me.

Oh, choose me. All right. Why do you say her name like a Pokemon? Choose me. Um. OK. I mean, I kind of know who Sue is. I don't know if it is going to help me figure out the animal

as much I'm going to go with tiger here good a very good guess it was the bait one for like the tiger queen you know but that is wrong yes

Michael for the steal. Two points or with the descriptor, one point. Oh, my God. It's not that I know these animals that well at all. Yeah, I know. Now that I know that was a baited one, because I totally forgot there's like decoys. No, I don't want to hear the descriptors.

I just like, I enjoy Omer's thesaurus-like use of adjectives. Regimented, a great digger, Unbothered. A mother quake. Great digger. Okay, this is great. Oh, that's actually helpful. Because don't sea turtles dig a hole for their babies to be in.

Ooh. I'm gonna go pick the salmon. Yeah, i said salmon notorious great diggers i'm gonna i'm gonna go with sea turtle here that is the mother quake oh wait that's mother that's um that's goddess remember courtney merits yes you gotta roll the dead sea turtle into the ocean yes yes yes so that is a steal one point for mike the sea turtle wow thank you to survivor worlds apart and also that one scene in survivor 41 of reminding me of how sea turtles uh bury their eggs yes exactly and they you know they they disrupt their whole life to go lay those eggs on land instead of just living in the sea as they want to so that's

a mother right there um okay so we have one round of three players left and we are at nine points for mike eight points for liana five points for lindsey nobody is out of it yet especially with the bonus question which is more a bonus question than a tiebreaker question tbh sierra right okay i i know i just keep being a lame-o here uh cheapo depo but i i need to hear the way you describe sierra so that i can figure out how this matches up and i will yes if i was actually doing um this with comparisons to previous contestants, I would actually give Sierra Lindsay. Oh, very similar. Great Alliance members. Very well-rounded players.

Graceful, tough, gregarious. Now, is that a clue? Because you did give Lindsay what a Thompson's antelope. So I'm wondering. That's Michael Scott Bloom. Thompson's gazelle. Oh, I'm wondering. That's Michael Scott Bloom. Thompson's gazelle. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah.

Antelope as if it's like willy nilly. There's not even a monophyletic group. Yeah. That said, the springbok is similar to an antelope or a gazelle. So I'll go with springbok. He's on a roll, baby. Springbok. Yes.

And that's why I'm happy I watched Survivor South Africa because I knew a Springbok what it was because it's a name of a team a rugby team I believe yes but not as cool as the actual Springbok so there you go yes you can kind of see if you thought if Sierra had horns they would be a little bit pointy like that you know curved

inwards you know you could see you're having stripes down her face as well oh much too so it is and very athletic very solid animal you know you're not gonna fuck with that all right um solomon e your um draft pick liana yes my draft sol went really late in this game because there were many decoy Sauls out there. That's very true, actually. You knew. I'm debating just straight guessing.

That would tie you with Mike. Yeah, exactly. I need to be aggressive. So I'm going to say that Saul is the Solomon. So I'm going to say that Saul is the Solomon. That is wrong. So Lindy can steal for either two points to guess without or one point if she gets the descriptors. She's at five.

Mike's at 11. I mean, I have no shot of this, so I'm just going to do the descriptor because I would like to not lose even worse. Powerful. Avoids confrontation. An icon. Oh, icon. Oh, um.

I'm going to go with. All right. Powerful. Avoids confrontation. The Ibex seems like it's meant for confrontation. Wow. The. Them horns. the ibex seems like it's meant for confrontation wow the white tail deer doesn't seem very powerful i'm gonna go with the yak all right so first of all that's kind of fucked up a white deal here is so powerful is it really yeah you should see some of the pictures the videos of the bucks

that are attacking the hunters and And then they're all like, oh, I'm getting attacked by a deer. You're out there, motherfucker, trying to kill it. So I think it's understood. It wasn't the white-tailed deer? No, it's the yak. Wow. Hey!

He is built like a yak. Look at him. And three letters in each of those names. Yes, and also, yes, three letters in each name. And this is one where the resemblance is strong, in my opinion. Yes. And also, yes, three letters in each name. And, you know, this is one where the resemblance is strong, in my opinion. You know, he's built like an ox. I see it. But he's built like an ox, but he looks more like a yak. And a yak is also built like an ox, as Stephen Fishback would say. All right, Lindsay, you are the last one for Rome. You are in a position now.

Again, you could do three points if you guess straight up. You could get two points if you get the clue. All right. So the animals we have left are the cormorant, which is some sort of bird. The conure? Conure? Conure, yeah. Conure, ibex, salmon.

Kinkajou. And then the white-tailed deer. Mm-hmm. Oh, and then the Kinkajou And then the white-tailed deer Is all the Oh, and then the kinkajou I need a description because I Don't know most of these animals' descriptions Alright Bold, expressive, uninhibited

I'll do the Ibex that is wrong but good guess Michael Bloom for the steal this has bird written all over it I was waiting for you to say that statement I'm going to say green sheets conure

that is correct nice you might be wondering for all the losers out there I'm going to say green sheets, Kanye. That is. Nice. Now you might be wondering for all the losers out there who are like, well, well, how is this? Why a Kanye? Why not anything else?

You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You clearly don't know a parrot individually. You know,

this is not just a parrot, the green sheet, Kanye, which if you recall back to season 43, I also gave this to cassidy but i think i would take it back for cassidy i might give her a quaker parrot instead in hindsight however if you are going to look at the green cheek conure what is the number one bird that comes into the er with a trauma and specifically a trauma from another bird because the green cheek conure

is going to fuck around and then it finds out oh my god that's great they are the ones that will like pester the bigger bird and then when the bigger bird tops down they're in the er and you're fixing that's funny that's incredible they they have the biggest personality um but they need to be a little bit more careful yeah but what if the conure comes in and says well what you don't realize is the parent said something actually that i can't say it because it might be chopped off but believe me it's something that was really bad you know fair point and they are quite chatty so i'm sure that they are expressing that to me in the moment but i just cannot understand them um and then i tell them hey where's the footage and then they just squawk at me some more so they said well i can provide a list of the pecking

order of all the other birds yes classic conure yes but very expressive very chatty bird very fun pet but they do need to be kept separate from other birds because they will fuck themselves up or a cat or a dog it's always the conure and actually there was there was one conure as well i don't think this one was lychrome but what it would do is it would break out of its cage, break into a cockatiel cage, which is a smaller bird that is less, you know, defensive. Like it doesn't have that many defenses

because it's got a small beak and it would break their legs. And it broke one cockatiel's legs and we had to fix it. And then they didn't fix the situation and it broke into another cockatiel's cage and broke its leg. What a dick. And then they didn't fix the situation and it broke into another cockatiel's cage and broke its leg. What a dick.

And then they put a padlock that couldn't be, you know, after that they learned their lesson. Do they attack out of just maliciousness for fun? Like out of entertainment? Just for lols, I think. Or is it for anything else? I think it's just for fun. It's hard to say.

Just for lols. Yeah. All right. So even though we have a clear winner of michael bloom at 12 liana at eight lindsey at six we are going to do a bonus question worth five points i think you just decided that hell yeah so the chloe um for people who have watched this many a times we here at the bnb for the bird uh animal game we will always have a tiebreaker or bonus question based on the cloaca the cloaca is messy it's clean

it's everything all at once it's versatile there's poops there's urates there's eggs all coming out of one hole the cloaca does it all you have to play cloacally in Survivor to win. Socially, strategic, and physical. You know, the more you do this, the more I'm like a little happy you weren't giving speeches as a juror in the final tribal council of like, actually, the way we divide this up. Survivor saved you, Omar.

Like, you don't realize how bad things could have gone if they met the real you. Like, you don't realize how bad things could have gone if they met the real you. Like, you're a fan favorite for the wrong reason. But when the cloaca prolapses, it means big trouble. So last time we have asked about what season best represents the cloaca. We've done which player best represents the cloaca. But recently I went to Atlanta for an endoscopy course

and I saw the cloaca in ways i went to atlanta for an endoscopy course and i saw the cloaca in ways you could never imagine okay like it unleashed a whole world of folds textures peaks why am i imagining you and a cloaca on a magic carpet ride with the use of that phrase peaks and valleys you could never dream of you would never expect i don't want to dream that's a nightmare i can show you the world so which survivors game past or present best represents the cloaca in terms of having more layers and unexpected things than you could ever expect this could be from the perspective of the audience it could be the perspective of podcasters who expected one thing from a player and it went very differently this could be from the perspective of the audience it could be the perspective of podcasters who expected one thing from a player and it went very differently this could be from the other players

not knowing what they were dealing with until it was too late it could be any way that you want you know the person that i think exemplifies this this season would be andy but i'd be curious to hear what your answers are i will judge the winner based on your there might be an argument for rachel as well of like i mean with no offense rachel i don't think any of us assume that she would win three immunity challenges perhaps going on four that she would you know be one of the only people in like the past four seasons to find an idol and keep it secret until the last minute is this your answer no oh all right yeah okay because we're gonna cross 47 seasons so fair so who is ready and wants to go first i'll go first all right so obviously i'm being mainstream in my mind of what

i know best so i'm gonna go with my season and i'm gonna say marianne um because i felt that this was truly true in the final decision during the jury vote of how much more I learned about Marianne during that ending. Cause I think that was for a lot of people that shifted their mind because we learned a lot more about Marianne in that final jury. So I think she came off very young, naive, fun, excited, extremely smart, but kind of still getting her footing kind of just eye open to the world and open to whatever um and then also kind of has her like goofy self that she sticks true to then as you learn more then of course there's that vulnerable side where she realizes she's on the bottom and then that's hard for her and how she has to kind of lower herself in the grand scheme

of things due to other people around her but then at the end you realize not only was she already incredibly smart but she's extremely more advanced and older in her mind than we gave her credit for with the demise of how calculated she was with every step. Even though she looked and was pushed to the side, she was using that as a perfect view to look at each single individual threat and see how they were eating each other, letting them do that, and understanding that she had a lot more moves to make

depending on who ate somebody and making sure the orchestration still looked good for her to win at the end. And I think she did a very good job of explaining that in a way that i don't think anyone even has the capacity to understand as a player let alone what they gave her credit for for her as a player that was beautiful she's a big old cloaca and you know very vulnerable moment when the egg is laying into the cloaca you know that's very intimate so i i like that all right next wow i don't know how anybody can follow that up that was such a clean amazing argument i'll i'll give my logic so my gut reaction was gabler right like he oh interesting

exemplifies this in both from the audience's perspective because i think to counter marianne like from a narrative perspective, at least in the last couple episodes, you could see Marianne winning. Who expected Gabler to win? The fact that Rob goes back and does essentially a post-season deep dive on let me explain why Gabler,

like how can we figure out how Gabler won? Like there's evidence there that he spent, you know, an hour or two getting into to like take apart all of the reasons why Gabler was. Like there's evidence there that he spent, you know, an hour to getting into to like take apart all of the reasons why Gabler was the one who ended up winning. And I think that if you go back, you kind of write him off early, right? Because Gabler's the one who's putting palm fronds on top of people randomly to try to keep them warm. But even as Lindsay mentioned in this own podcast, he kind of like figured out this issue was able to correct, and then ultimately ends up being able to make his argument to the jury by sticking with, look, these are the things that I own. These are the things that I did.

He doesn't try to oversell his game. He doesn't want to say, oh, I claimed that I did this when, you know, I didn't actually. Here are the things that I did. Clearly articulates his strategy. So I'm going to go with Gabler. Okay, Michael. Gentle gentleman of the jury let's uh take a step back in time almost 10 years ago the spring of 2015 so we are uh eagerly waiting with bated breath as i'm sure was much more held in the audience of the cbs studio radford lot as many hopeful second chance castaways await their chance of getting another opportunity to win

a million dollars on survivor and even though this person was voted on perhaps from lindsey's poltergeist perspective it might have been a bit of a question mark this person was voted off in episode five this person was barely visible and was often conflated with another blonde young woman on the other tribe this person was arguably swap screwed and only voted off because of her connection with her dad why should kelly wentworth be given a second chance on survivor and you would say within the entirety of that season, but you could even argue within that very first episode, she immediately proved that there are more layers underneath.

It has gone forward to prove as the adage moving forward as Survivor prognosticators, as experts, as fans, that we can look at a cast of Survivor and no matter how anyone does, we can say, well, if given a proper opportunity on another season in a different cast in a different format maybe they could be the kelly wentworth they could be somebody to spin straw into gold much like the straw colored hair that she fashes on the top of her head to find idols play them to uh have for the longest time the most volts

nullified against you in a single evening record you know contributing to an iconic moment showing that a second season run can make you truly a legend of the game considering how far she came from sam on del sor to cambodia but even further than that she was able to prove an edge of extinction becoming a returnee a little bit of a different shade to herself right she was a little bit more combative, a little bit more emotional, was actually able to be in power for the first time in her game, but was still able to showcase

a lot of complexities therein. But I'm even going to look outside of the screen to perhaps the second screen, because for those of you that are not in the know, you should follow Kelly Wentworth on social media because she has really come across as this big survivor content creator in season 47. She's doing these excellent weekly TikTok recreations

of big scenes that are happening in the episode, whether it's, you know, Rome falling down the well, whether it's Andy chopping over the coconut, et cetera. And that to me, as much as I love Kelly was a little bit of a different layer too i did not realize that she could be that goofy could be that comedic could be that creative even outside of like the sneaky sneaky memetic moments it's still a new side that we are seeing of this woman even nearly a decade after she has come to prominence for that many reasons and more that's why i think kelly wentworth best represents the layered aspects that the cloaca contains therein very you know what very good answers all across the board

this is a very tough choice to choose the winner um i think that i will have to rule out mother here because while gabler is a good answer I'm not sure the microscopic view of the game illuminated much more or answered as many questions as I would have wanted with Kelly Wentworth I also believe that this is a very well-rounded answer but a lot of the things that she did were on macroscopic view but the argument could be made that with her first game, it was so hidden in the prophecy that Drew Christie put forth. Maybe he was the endoscope. Drew was the cloaca reader.

Yes, he was the cloaca reader. He knew. So I think it's very tough to choose between Kelly Wentworth and Marianne. I am going to have to give it to Marianne though. And Lindsay, because wow, history repeats itself. It kills me to do it again.

You know, I feel that when you, when she illuminated the magnification of her game, it really sold the whole audience and the people sitting right there who did not expect to hear some of those things that came out and so i think that was the most hidden of the games that was illuminated in some grand gesture a grand way so that is five points for lindsey but i'm not enough to catch mike at 12 l. Lindsay now is at 11. Mother is at eight.

But a great showing across the board. This honestly might be like the highest scoring. It's so much better this time. It was fun. I enjoyed this kind of game. Oh, my goodness. This was so great, Omer. Thank you for truly representing how the animal kingdom is as layered as a cloaca as well.

Wait, there was one more slide. Oh, there was there was i'm so sorry it's just a summary slide yes look at all that's fine and there's annika and her duck you know yes the annika duck i get to see it yeah the duckica shows us yes yes all right all right well to finish things off here as we do at the end of every B&B podcast, we give an opportunity to our guests to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. Lindsay, I'll give Omar a break from talking for a second because I know he did a lot there. What would you like to highlight for the audience out there? This is this one of like a personal friend that I know I might have said it in one of the ones before it was called the iron girl project. So it was a, it's, um, a close family friend who lost her daughter, um, in her sleep. She don't understand what the cause was. She was 17, but she was very well known. She played, um, lacrosse and was a very great sportsmanship, uh, a great sport. So the whole charity is based off of raising money for those. Sorry, I'm

boshing this. People in high school who want to have a scholarship for college, but it's who is showing the best sportsmanship, who's the best leader on and off the field, who is someone where they can just bring everyone up in a way that just shows positivity. And I thought that was a really nice cause that doesn't really get highlighted enough in high school of just things that really showcase what a good person is. So I thought that's a nice one. Amazing. Omar, what about you? Can I do two? Yeah, of course. That was wonderful, Lindsay. I will do one like local charity and then one grander scale. For the grander scale, I would say the pcrf the palestinian children's relief fund they're in need of a lot of um help unfortunately so i think that that would be a good one for

people to consider and then for a local charity um uh last time i did wild ontario but this time i'm gonna which was birds i'm gonna this time do rabbits, you know, so pumpkin acres, uh, rabbit rescue is a local rabbit rescue here. They're inundated with rabbit surrenders. Um, and a lot of these rabbits have a lot of medical needs, which I try to take care of. Um, but it is, they do a lot of really great work trying to keep rabbits, um, healthy and happy and adopt them out and give them the best quality of life that they can have but because many of them are sick that is quite expensive and also just the volume of rabbits that are surrendered especially around Easter time is a lot so they can always use some help so that's Pumpkin Acres Rabbit Rescue in Ontario. Well, just like the great work that you said they did,

you did great work as per usual, not only bringing your sterling opinions to talking about the season so far and the end game, but of course, one of my favorite things we get to do every season on the BNB, which is when you always go above and beyond the call of duty with these animals. It is far and away the most educational podcast

we get to do twice a year. So thank you as always, Omer for coming on anything you'd like to plug for the listeners out there. No. The most shaky fractured voice. If you have an exotic pet in Southern Ontario and you need veterinary care, you can come see me. I'm also a blue sky now, I guess that's a thing, but we'll make this,

we'll make this be your audio and video business card if you'd like. Yeah. All right. What about you? Lindsay has a great business. Yeah. Yes. So if anyone's looking for nutrition counseling, whether that is for their personal health, whether it's medical or not, food is fun. I love food. There's nothing, there should be no scare tactics against it, no villainizing food, all good things, but ways to be able to just enhance your health and understand why food is so important. And I take insurance. So if anyone is looking for this help, it is something that is a right that everyone has to

learn. It's not a luxury expense. So I do that effort and fighting with insurance as much of a pain in the ass it is because everyone deserves to be able to learn more about their health. And I would love to help. Can you do that remotely to people that are not local? Yes, thank you for asking. I do virtual.

So there is in-person or virtual options and it's called Absolute Nutrition Counseling. And you could just put an absolutenutritioncounseling.com and you'll find me on the front. And you can just contact me there. I had one from Lindsay and nutritional consult remotely. So I do advise it. Now is the ghost part of your company or does it just come with on the

consultations? It's becoming a mascot, but I don't always like to listen to the poltergeist because I don't think it always has a great read because then the people start to feel uncomfortable. So sometimes I put them away not gonna lie if i was looking for a nutritionist and i their mascot was a ghost i would certainly be intrigued to like inquire further you know what is my favorite holiday so we could just say that that's more what it's leaning towards not as a negative against you as if there's a demon waiting. Or could it be like a cautionary tale?

Like, oh, I didn't have enough calcium. And this is what happens to me. I didn't pay attention to my health enough. Water's so important. Exactly. It's like the opposite of Jared from Subway. Yes. In many ways.

Liana, anything you'd like to plug? Let's see. Messinger, we're closing out our final season so we just did the penultimate episode and then we're going to be doing the finale this coming week and also traders us is going to be starting up with a brand new season and so puya has been going through every single person who's going to be on the cast and doing sort of a pre-season get to know this person especially because we're connecting so many different universes from Survivor to Drag Race to the Housewives, putting them all together,

including I think Britney Spears' ex is on this season. So obviously we got to do a preseason podcast on them. I'm doing Bob the Drag Queen. So that will be out in the, all of the preseason Traders coverage. Yeah, I'll be, I'm doing one as well. I'm not going to say what it is, but I mean, I'm doing one as well i'm not gonna say what it is but uh i mean i'm all being intrigued to see if people can guess what it are you doing the lord

isn't there like a so i talked with indy and genevieve uh this this week in parade very fun i loved getting to speak with the two of them uh they are again such big personalities and such big players of the season so getting to hear a bit of their them uh they are again such big personalities and such big players of the season so getting to hear a bit of their perspectives as to they're like very similar yet incredibly different journeys was so great and of course you know once the finale comes around i'll have interviews with the final four as well in addition to all the other stuff that i am doing over here on rapids pockets i'll also be on club condo tomorrow night with rob and chapelle so if you're not sick and tired of me talking Survivor nonsense,

there'll be plenty more of that in tow, assumingly coming tomorrow. I think we're doing that at like 7 p.m. Eastern live for people to check out. The last thing I'll say is, you know, the good thing about a two-part finale is that we get the chance to do the B&B one more week. And we are very excited to be welcoming this guy back

from the washington post tiktok dave jorgensen you know we began the season with a notable internet media personality going the way of the dodo and we're bringing one back for the finale here excited to get dave's thoughts on this season well i'm sure we'll break down no matter how much the outcome may be written in the stars everything that happened in this two-hour period hopefully manifesting lindsey's extended jury time i'm sure there'll be plenty of stuff to talk about with the after show as well and maybe looking ahead to survivor 48 so plenty of stuff to still get into leon and i still have to get into our predictions on the final four as well so there's still lots of stuff to do and thank you all so much for listening

after usual we do have one more week for games. If you want to suggest them, email us, send them to us on social media, RHAP, BNB and the like. Happy to utilize them depending on what the idea is. But regardless,

we'll be back to close all of this up to, I suppose, squeeze out the boar sack and, you know, be able to clean out season 47 as we move ahead into 2025. Thank you all so much. Omer, Lindsay, thank you both. This was such a great time.

Hope you all enjoyed it as well. A two plus hour podcast for a two hour episode. We've got another one coming for you next week. Special thanks to everyone behind the scenes at RHAP for making sure this podcast is packaged for your eyes and ears. And Wolfram America for his incredible theme song. Liana and I will be back next week with Dave Jorgensen and breaking down the ending of Survivor 47.

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