RHAP: We Know Survivor - Omar Zaheer recaps Survivor 47 Premiere

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Today we welcome Survivor 42’s Omar Zaheer to join Rob for the post-game show for the premiere of Survivor 47! Rob and Omar discuss everything that happened in this week’s episode, react to the eliminated player, and take questions from RHAP listeners LIVE!

coming to you live from my apartment it's rob has a podcast now here's the guy it's just another effing podcaster i'm rob sister nino hello everybody welcome back to uh rob as a podcast rhap kicks off our coverage officially survivor 47 what a night with so much to talk about can you believe it and i'm uh so thrilled to be here live with the great omers are here omer how are you i'm doing great and it's not just a fucking stick anymore It's a fucking podcast This is great I'm ecstatic Tonight, yeah, one small step for podcasters One giant leap for podcasters

And really, tonight was to live by the podcast To die by the podcast Yeah, you know, all those Facebook people are going to be up in arms. You know, look at all these podcasters now. How many podcasters are there? Yeah, and lady pilots. There's so many of those, too. Yeah, and when do they let ladies fly planes, too?

All right, but yeah, a lot to get to tonight. to get to tonight. We'll talk about it all from the amazing debut of our own Asia Welch to a tough night for baby Andy

and of course a surprise first boot, a grenade for me as John Lovett becomes the first player voted out of the game. I will speak with John Lovett coming up tomorrow morning, 11 a.m. Eastern time as part of our big Thursday of Survivor coverage. Stephen Fishback will be with us for the Survivor Know-It-All. That's going to be live at 3 p.m. And of course, you can make sure you're subscribed to everything. Don't want to see you

miss a thing. Just go simply to a new URL. WeKnowSurvivor.com Ooh. Okay, how about that? Omer, how are you? I mean, do you,

does Steven think that you know Survivor? The way, look. Maybe he might have something to say about that. We know it all. Yeah, we do know it all. And honestly,

you know, also, is there going to be podcast or rivalry when you talk to John? Or is it going to be is he under on him thinking you're Boston Rob? Well, we'll find out tomorrow. I don't think that there's going to be any sort of rivalry. And I do think that their podcast may have more reach, you know, and also also like uh may have pulled off like bigger moves uh in this last year than uh anything my podcast has done but you know true talk about that but you know what more people on facebook probably watch your podcast so you have that going for you certainly among the sample size of 18 people on Survivor, more people listen to R.H.A. Peter. This is true. And you know what? I think so. I put this out on Twitter and people are disagreeing with me.

I felt this was the best premiere since Survivor Co. Wrong, in my opinion. Yeah, interesting. So, I mean, has there been a benchmark? We know Gabe wanted to be on the Mount Rushmore of the new era. So is there a Mount Rushmore premiere of the new era? Well, no, because as Stephen said on Twitter tonight, Rocks Roy is already on the Mount Rushmore. Like there is, Gabe, you're not the first one. It is the man of the Rocks Roy. But I do think that this is easily

the best new era premiere, best since CoWrong. And you know what I think I liked about it was that there was a lot of messiness. I liked that and a lot of strategy. And I mean, there was maybe too much advantage stuff, but it was different. It was new. And the way that Jerome was going about it,

or Rome, I should say, was wild. Like that was like what Jacob Derwin wanted to do, you know, to find it. Yeah. Okay. So, so much to break down. I want to go through all of it, but let's start off the festivities tonight, talking about the Gada tribe.

And it really looked very bad for Andy tonight, to the point where it looked like that, you know, Andy was not doing well. It seemed like that this was maybe going to be a uh look like maybe we could have seen a uh evacuation before we even got to the challenge to the point where then okay then he stepped out of the challenge medical came in uh then he ends up going back into the game after a you know um wild outburst on the map yeah yeah i mean andy firstly um love you andy you said that you play like me and you did and i love i love everything you did wild how is this like you this was like you playing goose goose duck yeah not on survivor exactly what i meant yes um but

he you know what i think that the the interesting thing about this is that you know we all listen to all the well i listened to some of the pre-game coverage a lot of people out there andy went very quickly in the draft uh yeah very eligible guy and it just shows you that you know just because you know everything about the show or how you present before, it's very different when you get into the game because it's so intense. Yeah.

And it's the thing that you want. There's an adjustment period, but is there a potential for a growth arc like a Cathy? Yeah. Steven mentioned it on Twitter that he cited a Holly Hoffman. Yeah.

Yeah. Like this initial period, like the shock of being out there i think will you know and it was almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy like he was trying to you know get voted out to like i don't know like it almost seemed like he was sabotage self sabotaging in a way but now that the worst case scenario didn't play out maybe there's room for him to move upwards and there's still an idol out there on gata beach so there's a way forward for him um if he can pick up the piece yeah there there are certainly options and you know uh better robs than me have been forced to recognize like hey this game's getting the best of me you know and sometimes you that look uh who amongst us hasn't had a bit of the crybabyitis

yes and you know what this is the summer of mess because this was a very angelo i'm so glad you brought this up because i i said so this morning i i had posted a video i've been going live in the robbins podcast patron facebook group in the morning when I have coffee and just the last couple of days. And you posted in there about how you wanted to come on here and talk about Angela. And I watched this episode tonight and I was like, wow,

for Andy to go through all this and then to survive it really, almost to be sitting there on the block and to have the power of V veto used on him to save him, to take him down after an outburst. Not unlike this low budget production of a tribe with your crazy eyes looking at me. Yeah. Could Andy be on like a be at the center of all the drama and somehow navigate it he just

wants to have um a good time for the rest of the time he's there except for rachel don't talk to him but i'm here on survivor freaking 47 yes but we i mean i loved it and i think that the thing is i think it was kind of a mistake to be honest for them to not vote out andy there yeah because he can only like he's not integrated enough within them he survived and now if he gets his bearings and all of the shock factor and like the high intensity um kind of adrenaline surge of starting the game wears off and he can really play from what he knows. I think that they could be in trouble

and they may regret that. Whereas I think John would have been easier to work with longer term. Yeah. Although with him trying to turn things on Anika, I get why they did it.

But do you think it was a mistake or not? I have it on good authority that Survivor 42's Marianne also thinks it was a mistake. So a big mistake, big mistake. Okay. So when we're talking about these mistakes, a mistake from whose perspective, from the, from the tribe, the entire tribe to vote out Andy instead of John Johnson of Andy. Um, you know, it's so interesting because I think that, uh, just to bring John into this a little bit more, I really felt like coming away from this, like I did not come away with really any big mistakes to cite Q

that John made in this episode. I mean, I thought that John actually played very well. I think that you could certainly argue John was not even one of the three worst players tonight in the game. And I wonder if it's possible that, you know, was there anything that John could have done differently? I mean, did John not agreeing to go with the women, the plan that Rachel and Annika said, OK, we're going to tell Andy you're the decoy. Was it was him resisting that part of the problem that he went home or was John going home no matter what? Yeah, I mean, I guess I see that as a kind of a misstep by John based on what we saw. But from his perspective too, if everybody's telling him something, it doesn't feel quite right,

then do you just go home quietly or do you try something new? And so I kind of get where he's coming from. Although I do think maybe the way he should have leaned into it was getting Andy to kind of bury himself a bit further or going against Andy. Yeah, so this is a really good question of like oh should the was the correct move for john instead of okay i'm gonna rehabilitate

andy okay we're gonna turn this into a move while everybody's thinking andy we do so we we zag should he have worked on just like okay uh yeah get get the plunger like get andy out of here he has to go this guy's a loose cat and he's a liability because you know i i've seen other times when john is feeling like a guy's on the ropes like he's like hey everybody this is the time we gotta move get this guy out of here i agree and i think that the thing is especially when andy came up to him was kind of funny when he was like um i was never gonna throw you under the bus after saying that he would but i think at that moment you know you can lean into the into the turn when you kind of go off road on the road you're supposed to go into the curve not lean

away and i think that that could have helped him um escape the chopping block but you know i get where he's coming from he wants it to be a glorious perfect first episode he doesn't want to go down like no punk as liz would say um but it just did not work out i do think though interestingly i picked up on some vibes pre-season that john was very um i don't know he just came across like he wasn't fully comfortable being there and he didn't seem like he was acting like himself. And I do see a lot of that,

like it almost seems like he was kind of lost. And I saw a lot of that in someone like Mariah from season 42. When you talk to her outside of the game or after the game, she's like such a different person than she was in the game. And she told me afterwards, like in the game, she felt a little bit lost.

She wasn't sure why she got cast. Was it because of her story and not because of her? And it was because of her, but she didn't see that and she didn't feel comfortable. So I think someone like John and Mariah would benefit from being in the game longer so that they can be more themselves. But something to me felt off about his vibes going into the game.

Yeah. Going back to John in the preseason and John is a comedian and he's used to being very funny. I noticed in his interview with Mike in the preseason, like he seemed very serious and he was very like like. And again, like I think he i don't want to say he wasn't taking uh the assignment seriously but i think that as somebody who's not really in this world where you know all of the people who have like listened to the other pre-game experiences i feel like they know a lot about how to game the pre-game of like okay the game starts before the actual game starts. I wonder if he had just gotten off on the wrong foot with people. Yeah. It just seemed like

he was very inside of his own head. And that seemed to kind of play out because he seemed very insecure with the people around him as well. Not as openly as Andy, of course, in front of everybody. But I think when you have that sort of mental blockade that you're not connecting with people, then you won't connect with people. It is like a self-fulfilling prophecy in its own way. I think it's also like when people lie about their jobs and stuff like that, like it's hard to then... Actually, not on the subject of that.

It did remind me that I wanted to talk to you about something I don't want to forget about Gabe's pregame strategy. Now that we're talking about John's pre-game strategy you want to come back to that you want to come back to that yeah we can come back to that we're talking about gabe i promise i'll remember and the chat won't let me forget either um okay but yeah i just uh i because like imagine like andy didn't uh have this uh issue at the, let's just say, Gata went to tribal council. Andy does not have that moment on the mat.

Like, I mean, it feels like that this was coming for a 5-1 vote for John, no matter what. Yeah, it does seem like that. And I think the, like that almost gave him new life in the game. And I think that that's where

it was a struggle for Andy to kind of see that and trust in game. And I think that that's where it was a struggle for Andy to kind of see that and trust in himself. And I think that I felt like watching Andy was actually very compelling. And I think that that is why Survivor is still so interesting. Like, I feel like we haven't seen anything quite exactly like that. And it's been 47 seasons.

Like that's still so engaging. And so I think that's part of the reason I enjoyed the premiere so much. Not at Andy's expense, but rather to explore human emotion and the way the game can affect people. And I thought that that was very interesting. It was very nice that he shared that vulnerable side, but definitely I think if he had kind of taken a step back and whether you think you're in trouble or not, don't let people know that you think you're in trouble. And I think that if he had kind of stepped back,

it would have been clear that John would have probably been on his way out regardless. Yeah. It seemed like that it was not a situation that Andy had the correct read on at all. It did not seem like that he was on the outs at all. He seemed like that he had something good going on with John and with Rachel. And then when he sort of like got very much in his own head, that he just was going on this downward spiral which ultimately leads to that uh when he steps out of the challenge uh and you have that combination of like he's in his head and then he's super fatigued and dehydrated i thought jeff was so good during that and jeff was like going he went right from being like he was super

spicy jeff in the challenge. Yes. Disaster. Worst, worst challenge ever. This is horrible. I'm embarrassed for you. You want it to be on Survivor. You got it. And then it goes right to like when Andy is, is out and he's, he's like very good with, with Andy in that spot.

And Andy is like, I was going to go, I was getting voted out. Jeff's like, no, you're still in the game. You're still in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Hang in there. I also think it was one thing for like Andy to have that moment kind of with Jeff off to the side where nobody knew.

But the really wild thing was at the match chat where they brought that totally alive. And then, and it's like volunteering more and more information that, um, was all internal, but it just, I mean, Andy's a very smart guy and I've met him. He's very charming. And so obviously that's like a combination of fatigue and anxiety all coming to a head. But I think that, um, I think Jeff did a really good job pulling that out. And I think that they really liked having, uh, the other two tribes being there was so wild as well. Like, I couldn't even imagine. Did you have anything like that where the other tribe was falling apart in front of you or not really?

I'm trying to think that we did not really have those types of moments. You know, I feel like that really in the new era, I feel like that Jelinski kind of got the ball rolling on this. Legendary. And, you know, I think to some degree maybe andy out jelinski jelinski here tonight yes i and i thought for a minute like hey well this is your new jelinski and um no i don't i don't really remember that i i feel like that there's like a little bit of you know spiciness in between the tribes but to see a tribe have like inter-tribe conflict in front of the other tribes i thought that almost never happens yeah i agree and i but i am kind of because on at least on 42 the other two tribes were a hot mess but we had no idea but i try to keep it together in front of them yes but i think the interesting

thing about this is that very early in the game you you don't really know how it like, you know, you've seen how it works on the show, but you don't have the culture of the season set up yet. So these first few days, it's kind of like a baby bird imprinting on whatever it sees. So this is the first like the first few days of the experience. And you have this crazy imprinted experience where Andy's being super out there and open about what's going on. I do kind of wonder if that will translate into people being more readily, um, willing to call things out as we go. So I'm kind of curious to see if that sets the tone for the season or if people back off, but, um, very interesting. I want to go back to John and I really, I thought that John was actually very good in the episode tonight i just like nothing that happened where i'm like oh uh that was a mistake uh what is john doing there

like a disaster and you do often get that with the first boots you know you're sort of like they're doing something and they're getting the music is really piling on and like what an idiot didn't get that at all from john tonight is it? Do you think that John got a charitable edit? Okay. So I'm going to push back on that a little bit. A wise woman once said, yes. Um, I'm just kidding. Uh, I mean, I think he did come across quite well. He was great with the audience. Very engaging, very funny answers, especially when he was like, I'm getting a preview to being thrown under the bus. Yeah. Very funny stuff. I thought he was answered that masterfully. Like when,

when, when Andy like threw his name out there, like I thought that he really was like, okay, wow, this is somebody who really knows how to deflect. I thought, I thought John did great.

I'm just still trying to make sense of why he goes home. But I think that that is like, I think that he did great in that he appeared to be kind of like the victim of that situation, but then he didn't lean into that. I think that that was the mistake. You know, I think you really have to like push Andy further out if that's what's going to happen. And I think, you know, we've seen some winners in the season's history of the show. Like for instance, in co-wrong, which we've mentioned already. People did not understand necessarily why Michelle beat Aubrey based on the edit that was presented. But a social game, which Michelle had a really good social game, is very hard to convey on the TV. And in the same way, I think when there's a

misconnect between people, that's also very hard to convey. So if I had to guess, and I don't know, I would just say that maybe the others bonded with each other more than John bonded with them. And there was something missing in those subtle interactions that led to him being one that voted out. Although I will say my take before the season was that this tribe was never going to lose a challenge. If they did lose, I kind of did think John might go, but they just seemed like such a strong group of six, like in terms of they all to me had winner potential. So, you know,

even just looking at them going to tribal, I would have had a hard time picking somebody to go. Yeah. It was for John. And again, that was my pick in the draft. So I've been graded. I've been graded.

It's okay. It's okay. I'll go. I'll take that one. That's on, that's on me i've been graded it's okay it's okay i'll go i'll take that one that's on that's on me okay i i think it's ultimately this is uh a good outcome because now you know everybody can root for asia to win in the draft and then they can still all the other drafters can still win the draft uh because i got the grenade um unless asia and sierra both get to the finals uh but that's for another day we're not here to talk about the draft tonight um but yeah i just thought that john was going to be

very good but i think my one worry with john and i think i even said this on the draft podcast the other night was that like they go to an early tribal council that's the problem for john they let this guy get to the merge he's's good, but this could be an issue. Even if he gets past first two or three challenges, I think the thing is, you know, Sierra at one point said in the episode, like, the challenges are not going to get any easier, but they do.

They usually front load all the very heavy physical ones at the very start of the season. And so by episodes four and five, they're not that physical. And so I think if you have gone a bit of a winning streak and also given that John was kind of not, you know, maybe being himself before the game started, I think that a little bit of traction would have gone a long way. And this was the worst pitfall for him.

But I think that this group in general is very strong and that they can rally around Andy. I don't think that they're going to lose again. Did John also have all his eggs in the baby Andy basket in that? Like, it's like, OK, good. I'm bonding with this like, you know, this big, strong guy that he seems very likable, easy to get along with. OK, as long as I'm good with this guy, I'm fine. And then, oh, no, baby Andy is spiraling.

You know who was actually, one thing I wanted to ask as well about that, well, two, I wanted to note Rachel and Sam. Yeah. For Rachel, you know, she seemed to be the one that was the confidant of Andy to some extent and was trying, like he was seeking her out to talk him

kind of off the ledge. Now, I guess if somebody is having, like it seems like Andy had imposter syndrome that really kind of, which he shouldn't, cause he deserves to be there and he's a great player, but it seemed like he was having that sort of, you know, mental block and, you know, you can't really help somebody. It's, it's no one's responsibility to pull anybody out of that mind frame. But do you think that there is, you know, maybe she also wasn't, um, like, because she was irritated with how he was playing the game. You know, is there a missed opportunity there to like placate him or make him comfortable enough to not go down this destructive path?

Or do you think that was kind of like inevitably going to happen anyways? Because I really like the way I loved her confessionals. I loved every way she talked about the game. And she's an extremely strong player from what we've seen so far. Yeah, I actually I think I was sleeping rachel a bit in the preseason i didn't really get it in the preseason i saw her time like okay actually she's very very good uh like i'm really uh seeing her as like a person who uh knows her stuff i didn't quite get that from watching her in the preseason interviews but you make a good point about that.

She was, I think, so worried about, hey, people are going to wake up. They're going to see us together. I'm not going down with the ship here. Like, was there an opportunity to potentially, you know, rehabilitate Andy to some degree? Right. And I think that that is,

obviously we need to know more from her about how that situation went down. And sometimes if somebody is going to have a hard time, again, you can't really stop that. It is what it is. But, you know, is I think the question is, is that a missed opportunity? And then the other question I see from her perspective, too, I just want to say that because it's like, OK, well, it's like, look, they're going to see us together. And he's a big, strong guy and they're not going to they're going to get rid of me, not him. Yeah, no, for sure. And that makes sense.

Although I think the confessional where she got sliced and being like, you don't take somebody down with you. I have a feeling that was more about John than it was about her. Oh, interesting. But it does. But yeah, like I do think that,

you know, Herb not being want to see, be seen with two people going off. We saw how that played out on the other tribes where Rome went off alone and that was seen as a on the other tribes where, um, Rome went off alone and that was seen as a target. And then, um, you know, John and Andy earlier in the episode went off alone and the other four were like, that's kind of weird. And from the experience that I had, you know, when we were starting out, nobody wanted to go off in one or two,

it was three at minimum. So I think that in the very early stages of the game, that does matter. And she's very astute to kind of point that out and have her own boundary there. And the other thing I wanted to comment on was Sam. He seems like a very good liar. Like when he was talking to John and Andy about voting out Anika, I thought that he was telling them, I was convinced he was telling the truth. And I thought that was very impressive because he clearly had no intention to do that. Yeah. It's like,

I'm not going to do that. Um, did you ever have a situation where you were in the Rachel spot of that? Okay. Somebody is yes. Yes. All the time. I remember,

um, you know, Romeo would pull me, pull me aside a bunch and be like, uh, I think I'm going home. I think I'm going home. I think I'm going home. And I'm like, Romeo, like where you are.

Okay. You're fine. But if people keep seeing us go off and talk like that, they will get suspicious. Cause right now they're telling me information about you because they don't know that we're close. But if you were pulling me aside every, you know, five minutes, that is going to get through to them. And I felt I had a similar

experience sometimes with Mike as well, which I did talk to him about, like, we need to like, not do this all the time. Um, and then he stopped doing it, but then voted me out. So that was why he stopped doing it. That tricky hope Oak and Mike, but, um, but yes, I do think that that, I think earlier on the game though, that matters more later on in the game. People know that everybody's going to talk to each other. And I think it matters less. All right. I want to talk about where we go next with this Gata tribe.

And they end up, they vote out John. And it feels to me like there are two pairs that are here. We have Sam and Sierra feel like a pair to me. And then the Annika and rachel pair with now andy in the middle is that how you see it so i i think that the um under the radar pair that they didn't really like highlight a lot i do think it's annika and rachel i i feel like they might be the tightest duo because you saw pre-game they both wanted to work together and they immediately jumped on the puzzle together and won right out of the gate and sierra seems to be really bonding with them

as well so i guess the question is does sierra see her more self herself more with sam or with um the girls and i think that she's to me she actually seems kind of like the swing in that position because she could go if sam wants to go give andy a chance i could see her swinging that way or she could stick with the girls but i think she's more the swing boat than andy i feel like in a way um i had a comparison for this tribe uh as we were watching the episode and to me i wanted to know did you feel like uh could you see at all the baka tribe uh the yellow tribe from survivor 43 where we we come in and okay this is a tribe that is having some issues okay and then gabler is the person who is you know having like a little bit of uh you know not quite a meltdown on the level that we saw with andy but then uh a little bit of like a kumbaya

tribe where that they are like uh maybe they waited a little bit too long to talk about who was going to ultimately go home. You had the women potentially, we're going to do a women's thing, maybe like a strong woman leader of like an Annika and an Ellie. Now in that instance, like the person who is maybe at the center of all the attention

ends up being the person who stays. And there was, and gabler also had an idol that he potentially uh like uh could have could have used but didn't uh at that tribal council but you know much like alla gabler uh like is there is there an opportunity for andy to get under the radar after being at the center of attention? Honestly, I think that he, at this point, needs one of two things. One is he needs to have a pair like Rachel and Annika, for instance. If that becomes very obvious,

the target can go on them a little bit more easily and they become more threatening than just him alone. If Sierra feels uncomfortable being a third wheel in the girls group or Sam being an outsider, that group, that would be an opportunity to open up. Or the other thing would be something drastic, like finding the idol.

I think that that would open up the game for him as well. But I see only those two ways to save him. The preview just seems like it's going to just be more chaos with Andy. I think he's going to find an idol. I think that's what Sam's shocked about. Look, he's, uh,

like, uh, making a lot happen. Uh, we'll see. I think Sam is in the Sammy spot, ironically, because Sammy,

uh, well, he's a bit older than Sammy, but Sammy was kind of the one to decide what was going to happen. Not by much. Um, but Sammy was the one of the one to decide what was going to happen. Not by much, but Sammy was the one that was going to decide what was going to happen there. He was kind of in between both groups and he felt like the girls were too strong. So he kind of subverted their power and used Gabler to do that. If Sam feels threatened or uncomfortable within his position within the women, he could easily do that as well.

It's just how comfortable is he within that group and i i don't think that that's clear yet again like i thought he was telling the truth when he's like let's go for annika and he was not at all so i don't know where he stands he's getting the michelle fitzgerald edit though okay let it be known steven fishback because annika was talking about how she's the leader of the group now and then all of a sudden you get Sam and confessional being like, I'm so happy Anika is taking the lead because I don't want to be the leader. It's like, it had nothing to do with you. You know, like that is so fits. Mish fits. Yeah. You know, do you want to comment on Anika at all?

I thought that she's came across really well in the premiere. Yeah. Anika is great. You know, I love I okay. Soapbox. I love that there's so much more Indian representation on the show now. Karishma was the first one after 39 seasons. And then now we've opened up that so much more. And I think that Anika brings an energy that's very different. to be fairly well-received being kind of a leader role, which is harder for a younger woman to do, I feel like, which is maybe a sign that the times are changing as they should. But I like what she has to offer. But I do think that that kind of energy, you don't want to be the leader on the show.

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about the debut of Asia Welch on Survivor. And it was a little bit of a rough start for Asia, who ends up volunteering for her tribe to end up being on uh the new sweat versus savvy challenge uh were you surprised that Asia was the person who stepped up to do this well I was more surprised that Asia was in the marching band I think that's pretty fucked like I did you know that I didn't asia was in the marching band i think that's pretty fact like i did you know that i i didn't know asia was in the marching band you did i did not know that did not know that's crazy and i i have a lot to say about that but why i think that

um i would say anti-band but like willing to be converted okay you know um but i think that asia uh did not watch the survivor blood versus water because she does not know that one into six is out that was wild but uh it was so cute when she was like my tribe's gonna be so proud of me and then she couldn't wrestle um tk yeah i really i was really hoping it seemed like she had it uh ironically uh asia gets undone because she's not able to forge her own path all she had to do was forge a path yeah it's her thing forge your own path own path. No, she was too busy hanging on to her boss.

Yes. Well, okay. We'll get there. So she ends up almost trying to wrestle the key away from... Yeah, I wanted to see Danielle versus Amanda 2.0

in the water because you know Asia could have kicked his ass. I was ready for it. And, you know, she backed down. Yeah, okay um did you like this new challenge instead of sweat versus savvy i did like the change i thought you know what the whole the whole marooning i felt was very fresh like yeah it was seemed like it was a different location

we haven't seen it was a much bigger challenge set and one where you're not seeing all the elements in one frame like they're running around it was very fresh and so was this you know not sweat not savvy indiana jones better this was better um if i could give one note on just uh the opening challenge and i know that they love to do it that jeff has talked about this that he loves the imagery of we're gonna birth you into the game into the mud and that's gonna be your baptism by mud into survivor i like i love the idea of it but like i really it's the first challenge i'm still trying to figure out who everybody is and now you've covered them all with mud and i can't even tell who's on what tribe now so it would just be like like i get it i understand what you're going for but i'm also like this is my first chance to see these people and i don't know who is who when you cover them all in mud and they all are just mud people i i agree and And you know what? I hate mud.

And so I was very thankful we did not have a challenge like this because it seems like every single season since then has been all about the mud. So I also did not love that part. But I did like this Indiana Jones challenge. But I think what will be also interesting, which I think there is a potential for evolution

because this was leaning more sweat than savvy, is if they to i want to see some sort of negotiation you know like maybe one person walks away with the stuff for the tribe and the other person walks away with a personal advantage or something omer how about this i believed correct me if i'm wrong uh first new era premiere with no journey oh yeah is the journey gone are we done are we done with the journey i don't think we're done with the journey but maybe it's on a break yeah because every other new era the boat a boat come somebody's gonna go you're going on a journey i think with all the journeys that they did though they still have missed out on the like potential for negotiation and so i feel like i want to see something like that but this was what

about brad and sydney and tiffany yeah that's the episode that nobody wants to remember rob we've forgotten it yeah those are not the three you want to send with all due respect to tiffany seely for a negotiation summit that's not three you want to send with all due respect to Tiffany Seeley for a negotiation summit. That's not what we want to see. All right. But Asia ends up coming back and not forging her

own path. She's not forging her own path. She comes back and while people are talking about figuring out the alliance, they're figuring out, okay, we've got these four this is great teeny is says save a spot from for this one other person teeny izzy glacier mvp yeah and teeny says hold a spot like uh this seat i put my jacket on this seat for asia for when she comes back and she comes back and teeny says,

Hey, I know who you are. Um, I'm a big fan. I'm not gonna tell anybody cause I don't want to out myself. Yeah. Incredible. Incredible.

And you know what? The thing is Rob, congratulations. Well, this is about Asia as well, of course. And teeny for being a long time listener. Shout out teeny.

Yes. But Mr. Rob, you started a podcast in survivor Samoa or Samoa, Samoa. Yeah. And can you believe that now they're mentioning it on the show? That's crazy. It is pretty crazy. Um was a nice moment for me in many ways, but it was very fun that I was watching the show with my family. And I got to see like my, my kids reaction to, wait, why?

Cause they don't understand. They don't know. They don't know. Like, like why, wait, why, why, why, why do people, why are people they don't understand. They don't know. Why are people talking about this?

That's incredible. They don't get it. Very appreciative to Asia, to Teenie, and to anybody at Survivor that didn't cut that out of the show. Yes, and also, I'm sure

Boston Rob wants to thank you too because he's probably getting so many new followers tonight. He's probably getting so many cameos tonight and everything. Yeah, he's really mooching off your success. That's crazy. Look, has been for a while now. But seriously, that was really

great. And look, you know, I was worried for Asia going out there that she's going to be targeted that she's's a podcaster that people are going to say i've coming after them probably not no i don't think it's anyone that knows i don't think that there was any sort of fear but i i really was worried that people were going to say okay oh well she knows too much but yeah so the people that know who she is it's like oh yeah like another another person i know another fan great and with all due respect to asia she's not somebody that you listen to on the podcast and are like what a monster like if it was chappelle instant target but it's asia

no people love shannon too chappelle's the villain so you have to watch out for him so i think if it had been chapelle it would have been a different story yeah but asia you know she's always well like she's very grounded she has a lot of insightful comments and she's fun and funny on the podcast so that's somebody that people would gravitate towards if they were avid enough listeners and so good for teeny yeah and. And you know what? The most embarrassing thing about it is for, for me, um, I don't know if before I went on, I would have, if I would have known. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, I think that, uh, like when you're going through it, you really do a lot of research and start to like, look up all these people. And so Asia,

then, uh, she comes back. i do think that uh asia's vulnerability i think that people looked at that as like a good thing of like oh we can trust this person look how upset she is uh about this she's not giving any sort of like cockamamie story and like why would she um but i think that they really uh she really endeared herself to the tribe but then she gets a huge help from mr mr rome yeah you know um you know who my winner pick was rob who rome yeah yeah you don't feel good about that you know what i'm gonna ride i'm gonna you know what rome if i want to roam around the world. I'm going to stick with it until he dies in this game. But, you know, everybody was worried

he was going to be too much. And I said, no. Yeah. Rome just watched everything. Bring him back for Survivor B-52. Okay. So, all right. So, Rome, he goes on his uh idol hunt and it's so funny i thought this was

hilarious uh where uh both rome and gabe had a bunch of mishaps like going around looking for these idols and so rome he finds it and he's off and he's going and he's like doing horrible at like going undetected. It's like he doesn't even care. It's like he doesn't even care. And I just thought it was so funny that I thought that like Asia is like the leader of like the Scooby Doo gang. Like she's like Fred and like the whole other five of them are just like stalking Rome around the island. Like it's so funny. And what does she call him?

Yeah. Mr. Gamer. Yeah. Mr. Gamer. Which shady, shady Asia. That was so good. But it's like he did and he just like runs away. Like that's crazy.

Just come up with a lie or something. And he was balls deep in that. Well, I would not be drinking that. I mean, yeah. So then, and then Rome kind of does the tribe a little bit,

uh, dirty, uh, literally and figuratively as he, his whole, his whole, uh, like,

you know, it's, it's day three of survivor. You're ripe. And he has now gone swimming in the water that they we see survivors voted out for less omer yeah yeah and you know what i feel like i i found a dead lizard in the water once and i feel likeob derwin sock or jacob derwin sock like that's not right i think jacob derwin sock still might be worse but it's close it is

at least you're gonna boil the rice now maybe the producers didn't intend for Rome to swim in the well. Maybe it was a way. Maybe they thought, oh, he'll get a stick or something. They didn't think he was going to let go. Baby Jessica headfirst into the well, like the ring. Wait, I think I missed it as well. Was his idol good for one tribal as well yeah was it good for one tribal or three like that rome was operating under like a different sort of like idol uh rubric than what gabe had going on like it seemed like crazy unless that

gabe was just further along in the process. Um, I don't think that we got to the point where Rome was able to trade in his idol for a, uh, like a three Pete idol. Yeah. I missed that part. And I, I don't know what they're,

what, what, what's going on there, but I feel like Rome, you should probably take the one shot idol. Don't worry about it. He needs it, but he needs it.

You know, who's going to screw it. This is going to screw over that poor canadian genevieve yeah well she was very high on rome before he was out there he's roaming around the world too she's right there with me and she's gonna get fucked for it but it is what it is yeah uh can rome bounce back is there any hope for well i think he he needs to play his idol. The question is, does he know he needs to play the idol? And he's probably going to lose his only ally, Genevieve, in that process. So I think he needs to rely on finding more idols or winning immunity. Omar, could you talk a little bit about this and tell me if this was, you know, I'm trying

to remember from Survivor 42, was there concern? okay so marianne had the idol and then there was some uh and again i think this maybe this was something that was in the episode but maybe not so much in real life of how do you navigate a circumstance in okay small tribe and somebody the person that you might want to put the votes on probably has the idol yeah i mean they well marion's idol was not activated much of the pre-merge so you know that was a little bit less of a concern the thing about our tribe was that everybody thought they were at the top so it was gonna be fine yeah it was gonna be fine because nobody thought they were going home so i think in that situation that's how it was was just having everybody feel like they were at the top in a situation like

rome and and to be fair like rome might not be aware of his position i don't know um but if he if they can convince if teeny can convince him it's still you know us against asia and saul he might feel secure enough to not play the idol in in which case, you know, he could be gone and that could save Genevieve. But I think that Teenie is like clearly the power player on this tribe and she's right where she wants to be and everybody's where she wants them to be.

And Asia really lucked out having that kind of connection, but she's also doing well on her own. But I think Teenie is where the power is at the moment. Absolutely. Which might not last forever. It might not last forever, but I really, I'm so happy for Teenie in the position that she's in

because Teenie was somebody coming into the game, I felt like was kind of like how I felt about John Lovett of like, okay, well, Teenie could be in trouble if they go to an early tribal council, but if Teenie gets to the merge, watch out. And right now, if they go to a tribal council, I don't feel like Tini's in any danger whatsoever. And so for Tini to be in this good of a position this early on, and then when we get to the merge, and then people are starting to worry about like, okay, oh, there's the threat over there. There's a threat over there. there's the threat over there there's a threat over there there's a threat over there how many folks from the other tribes are going

to be looking at teeny as we got to get out teeny yeah i guess it's the question of how sparkly as she's got the scarecrow look we gotta worry about her what would you have rated the buff look? One to ten. On how dweeby? Yeah. That's not my favorite look. I mean, that's a better look for the Big Brother house. Would you call it a toque? Yeah. But you wore it like a toque a lot. I tried to wear the buff every possible way.

I said like every day, like what's a new way I could try to wear the buff? You didn't do the brando buff no no i and people came up with way more ingenious ideas after me but i was like okay well how many how many different ways could i potentially wear a buff some i actually like look for teeny yeah personally i would have given it a 7 out of 10. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think that we'll see what Steven says tomorrow afternoon, but maybe fishy consideration. Oh, yeah. Not even on the losing tribe. Interesting.

Well, I think it might be tough to give a fishy in the losing tribe. I don't know if there was... What about Sam or Rachel? I think they were clearly in very good spots. We'll see what Steven has to say. It's not my award to give away, but I think if I was giving one out tonight, I think I might go fishy for Teeny.

Well, you guys always disagree. Steven doesn't listen to this podcast, so he'll have no idea about any of this. Okay, fine. All right. Let's put something on it. Let's bet Sam's life on it. Okay. All right. you got that sam good all right uh let's talk about uh the uh tuku tribe uh blue tribe okay and of course uh listeners uh get your questions in uh for omer because uh

we're gonna take your questions here in this episode tonight. So post them. Before Tuku, one more thing about Andy. Andy said that he was afraid of weed. And I have to say that's very relatable. I, when I went to undergrad, did not know what weed smelled like. And all of a sudden I was sitting in my dorm and I could smell this thing that smelled like the worst thing I've ever smelled in my life.

And I thought I was going to die. And I was like, we all need to evacuate right now. And they were like, it's just weed. And you know what you know it smells awful so i don't know why people like it but i digressed back to tuku okay back back to tuku okay all right they also didn't even like highlight jeff didn't be like oh like this is the tuku tribe represented by the spider you know i think it's because all the emblems were so offensive possibly that people didn't want to be offensive in what way well i know people don't like snakes they don't like rats and they don't like spiders but i think that's crazy because all

of them have their own value is that what they were the the three tribes were snakes rats and spiders yes and i think it's crazy that they hearken back to the snake and the rat but then who is the spider is that like colleen or greg who who is the spider i don't i'd like to know yeah i'm not sure if uh who we would uh make the spider lewis the spider i believe jerry manthy was sort of the black widow no it's from borneo well okay but maybe it's just like the iconic first year of Survivor. Yes. All right. All right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. Then let's talk about what's going on with the Blue Tribe, the Tuku Tribe. That's TK's tribe. And TK came back. I kind of thought we were getting TK set up for a fall a little bit in this episode,

especially after he came back and was talking about how he expected to really just have all of this reverence from the tribe after what he did. I thought that he were getting setting him up for a little bit of a comeuppance, but that wasn't the case at all. No, I think TK is doing great. I think he's a very fun character to watch. And he's he there's a thing about him is he's not going to hold back at all. very fun character to watch and he's he there's the thing about him is he's not going to hold back at all he's like i'm going to go balls to the walls and and play very hard from day one to day 26 hopefully um but i think that it's interesting that it didn't seem like he was put on the outs just for being away kind of like asia was unless until teeny saved her um maybe because he's so strong but i thought it was a very, chaotic King move for him to put the paper, which was like,

you know, when they were like doing whoever does the thing that's left out in rock, paper, scissors is the one that's going to go to the island. And they were like, the three of us will do rock or scissors. A person out goes to the island. And he did paper, which wasn't even in the agreement. So he already like lied to them in the first few minutes of the game which i thought was like a really chaotic thing to

do like he wanted to go he wanted to go yeah but they were all pretending like they didn't maybe so that was his way i don't know maybe it seemed like to maybe they thought it could have been like the journey and there was a chance to get an advantage if you go to the thing yeah i don't know but it was like kind of chaotic to like lie about something so insignificant so early yeah um so i thought that that was a weird choice but he's a very fun character to watch all right we got to talk about the person who's at the center of everything over at tuku and that's gabe okay we got you're gonna say sue no No, Gabe's at the center of everything. The first confessional I think we got was Gabe talking about, I want to be the first face of the new era Mount Rushmore.

We saw Gabe talking about, I'm here in the preseason. He said, I'm here to reclaim the game that Russell Hance brought to Survivor. reclaim the game that russell hance brought to survivor omer tell me that what is the likelihood is it possible that gabe that the story of survivor 47 is the story of this epic game that gabe is about to play um i think gabe's very interesting character very fun to watch on the show i do he does not give me like russell hance vibes he does not give me that kind of um screen time hog screen hog screen time hog vibes as russell did however um i think his strategy going into the game was very interesting which i wanted to talk about because in his pre-season little video he was like i don't care about these people i don't i didn't care about them before i'm

not going to care about them after and it doesn't matter to me but i feel like and you could maybe you feel otherwise i think you have to care about the people to do well in the game yeah it's like when people lie about their job yeah it's like you could pretend to care about them, but if you actually cared about them, it's a lot easier to, if you're just telling the truth about your job, it's probably a lot easier to connect with people than if you're lying about it.

And I think that that is like, you should be there to make friends if you want to do well in the game. Yeah. I feel like, so I feel like that there are two types of players that win survivor, that there are two types of players that win survivor that there are the, there are the players who love people that they, that they really just enjoy being around people that they,

they get great pleasure out of like the different types of personalities that show up, the colorful characters, they enjoy that. And then there are sociopaths. Those are the two different sides. So maybe it's possible that he could be like a Brian Heideck. Yeah, he could be. And you know what? The way he approaches strategy, I kind of like as well.

It's kind of direct and like, this is what I'm planning to do. And this is how I'm going to go forward. And he seems to be pretty loyal to Sue, which is like a good quality as an ally. But I just think that if he, maybe he's also like playing it up, like I'm going to be this villain character and he actually still does care about the people. I just, I don't, I don't, I think I would,

I would be surprised if he didn't get cut early. Yeah. I wonder just like either, I think he's going to like be an iconic character who's going to do great things or he's being set up to just you know have a great fall and it will be iconic regardless either way either way yeah he's playing a big game uh having a big fall maybe like uh the first of the idle clue boxes that he found i i saw some people complaining about uh there were too many find the box find the key find the like looking around searching

for stuff i personally um that was not a take that i had watching the episode but how did you feel about that you know i i think the thing is because it was a two-hour premiere i found the amount of idol looking to be a little bit grating but acceptable because we still got so much and i feel like i still walked away kind of knowing everybody so it wasn't that big of a deal i like that there was a new component to it but i think it's just like it was designed to take up too much time. And I think that we lucked out that Gabe said, okay, no more. We're going to stick with the three tribal idol. And I think that that's also partially a reflection.

I actually think that that's good for Gabe's longevity in the game. That's one thing in his favor, I think, because he's not thinking like, oh, I'm definitely going to be there at the end. So I need that idol all the way to the end. And 46 is very top of their mind, I feel like. So having the shot clock idol is probably a good place for him to be. Do you think, though, that it would be a good idea for him to have taken?

Should he have risked his one vote idol for a three vote? I know that it sounds like to if you're listening to this, like, well, that's an easy decision. You take the, take the three, but you know, we've seen so many players in the last couple of seasons voted out of the game with an idol in their pocket. I mean,

for Gabe, I mean, to know I'm going to the next tribal council and no matter what, I'm going to be safe at the next tribal council. I'm going to go to the next tribal council. I'm going to play my idol. And I am going to, I mean, a lot of these tribes go to one tribal council before the next tribal council. I'm going to go to the next tribal council. I'm going to play my idol and I am going to, I mean, a lot

of these tribes go to one tribal council before the merge. Yeah. I think that it was probably a good idea to get the three. However, with the fact that Gabe or TK caught him kind of in a lie, I feel like that's

the one thing where I'm like, okay, maybe just the one like at that point, maybe you just have to like cut bait and be like, I have the idol. It's only's the one thing where i'm like okay maybe just the one like at that point maybe you just have to like cut bait and be like i have the idol it's only good for one tribal and i'm done so i think in that circumstance because tk knew and he didn't want tk to know that that would have been the best call i think if tk did not know then i think three is fine for if he felt like his alliance with sue is pretty tight. Yeah. This was before he dropped the box down the rock face and then everybody was like, wait, what was it? What is he doing?

You know what though? I don't know if that was legit because where they were sitting and where that rock, those are so far away. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. And then when he was like smashing the driftwood,

I was like, can they hear this? Also very far away from the sleeping area. So I don't think so yeah okay um where are we going here for gabe i think that he has the three tribal council idol i am a little bit worried for him in the sense that if you saw in the preview which we all know can be misleading somebody was like uh he he called us all stupid or something like tiana said that i think um and i they did flash to gabe and i could see that being about gabe if that is true and people are turning him on all hit on him already then i would worry a lot about him um but i think that if he they do have a fairly well-rounded team so they may also not

lose very often but i think i do think if they go to pre-merge tribal, he's in trouble if he doesn't play Zyvel. Something from Jeff tonight, he was really hammering home the notion of your tribe on Survivor is a community. You come out to Survivor and you build a community. This is all about a community. And then you have to then,

they go to the jury. And then that community, you have to convince to vote for you to win the million dollars. What do you think about this new, like rebranding of the survivor world? They just changed the word from society. Yes.

Oh, okay. It's the same thing. It's just, he's trying to find like a new, there's no themes anymore. So he's got to differentiate a little bit. Well, you know, I had seen in, they were really like hyping up the community in the preseason.

And I really kind of thought that they were going a little bit of a different angle of like, hey, like you watch Survivor every single week. So do the people that we put onto the show and like survivor is at least this is how i view it and and and i don't know if the show views it the same way like uh like this isn't just a tv show like uh for this very few shows like you know if you watch young sheldon every week you know you're not part of the Young Sheldon community where the people who go to the Young Sheldon viewing parties every single week in all these different cities. And you know each other because like, oh, I'm a fan.

Like, I'm a fan of this. And people are connecting online. And like, there's like, so there's the people that are playing the show. But there's like, that's like, so there's the people that are playing the show, but there's like, that's like at the top level, but there's like all these like millions of people who watch the show every week and talk about it and have all these friendships and relationships just because they watch the show. To me, that's like the community of Survivor that I think is something that's special and unique in a lot of ways to Survivor.

I kind of thought that like the community is here but it's also you know jeff breaking the fourth wall talking to the people that watch survivor he loves us he's like our long lost father um i think that he i think that you're right about that actually the difference between society i guess society is like everybody around you and that's like really restricted to show community expands that a little bit but I'm not sure if that's what they were going for that's what I thought they were hard launching the beach drop and whatnot you know they really want to get the fans

involved I think that's great if that's what they're doing more events with like trying to cultivate the community the survivor community yeah but it also is like I think that he just tries to do something very specific each season like last season he he made it a point to be like one single person of you thinks you can't win that was wild and uh and you can't um which was just like a crazy random thing to say um so i think

like he's trying to like spice up the marooning with something different each time but you know good for him he's a great host. I mean, Oh, the best. I mean, he's not a, he, he doesn't host the official survivor podcast. Oh wait, sorry. I guess he does.

He does. He does. Okay. You can catch it. He's also a podcaster. He's, he's also another podcaster on this season. He's a TV host and a podcast host.

Okay. Yeah. So he one ups all the podcast hosts by also about having being a TV host and a podcast host, okay? Yeah. So he one-ups all the podcast hosts by also being a TV host. We've got some questions coming up from the listeners. It's not too late to post away for me and the great Omar Zahir. Just a reminder, this is just the tip of the iceberg for all of the Survivor podcasts.

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Lots of goodies in there that we know Survivor.com. You should drop in one. Just like it's like a needle in a haystack. Put in one MILF Manor podcast in there and see if people notice. Yes. Okay. Look, it may be in the. Yes. Okay. Um, look, it may be in the off season.

Okay. All right. So. Homer, uh, let's, let's get to some questions from the listeners. Let's see what they have to say.

Okay. Um, all right. Ashley asks, are there shot in the darks this season? Good question. Did they cancel the shot in the dark? I don't think they canceled the shot in the darks this season? Good question. Did they cancel the shot in the dark? I don't think they

canceled the shot in the dark because they did not mention it. Why didn't Andy play it? Forget it, Andy. Why didn't John play it? Well, John thought Annika was going home. Well, Andy voted for John. So I think that somebody loops in Andy

by the time Andy's voting for John, I think he knows that it's going to be John. Yeah, but I cannot see them getting rid of the shot in the dark. And whether people like it or not, I think the shot in the dark is an excellent addition to the game. I agree. Because you have to blindside with it. And I think that's also actually why so many people go home with idols,

because everybody has to be blindsided. And I think that that is a contributing factor to that indirectly. And I think that there's not going to be a boring episode where people just tell somebody who's going home because they'll play their shot in the dark. So I think it's great. Okay. Nick has a question. Nick says, do we think it's possible that somebody actually recognized John more than they let on and that contributed to him being the target? Now, John came out and told everybody, I'm on a podcast called Pod Save America. People said they heard of it, but they hadn't listened to it. Is it possible that anybody on John's tribe might have been anti-Pod Save America?

Come on. Have you seen these people? No. You don't think so. Okay. So you don't think they knew of it or you don't think they're anti-Pod Save America? Both. Yeah. I think they didn't know about it and if they did know about it

they wouldn't be anti-Pod Save America. I mean, do you think they had any questions? Was there anything that was potentially like oh, this guy sounds like he's doing pretty well? No. I do really think that these people, I honestly don't think people care that much about that stuff. That's why I don't get why people lie about their job so much. Other than the one person that should have lied about it was Justine Brennan.

But everybody else, I just don't think people care. I guess, you know, maybe if he went into all the details about how he was a speech writer for Obama and Hillary and all that, then maybe people would be jealous or something like that. Um, but I don't think so. I think it's just about who you connect with and who you don't. Bobby asks, uh, do we think that John's vote out was due to him being an exceptional speaker? Um, also no. You don't think so? I feel like we would have seen that if it was like the Elaine Stott, like this person is so charming. They must go on day three because they might win in 70 days from now.

Um, I feel like we would have seen something like that. Um, I just think that he probably did not fit in as well with everybody. I guess. Now, Omer, do you know what Vine is? I actually don't. Oh, boom. Hello, Bo is? I actually don't. Oh! Hello, Boomer. Okay, Boomer.

I'm lucky I wasn't on this tribe. I would have been the first one out. But I just, I think it's like those quick videos, right? But I was never into that. Yeah. I don't even, TikTok is like a nightmare for me. Was it 12 seconds? I guess. We should ask Ken from Millennials vs. Gen X.

Didn't he know what vinyl was? Or was that vinyl? It was vinyl. Makes the video sound better, apparently. Okay. Mason says, don't forget about the thing you wanted to say about Gabe, Omer. That was what I wanted to talk about. Is this thing of like, I don't want to make friends.

Is that like, you know, I feel like that's dumb. I feel like you have to. Seven second videos. The chat is telling me. Seven seconds? Mm-hmm. Several seconds. Several seconds.

Yes. Yeah. So what do you think about, Gabe? No, it was just that I wanted to talk about that pregame strategy of I'm not here to make friends and whether or not that is very counterproductive to winning the game. Okay. And we agreed upon it. Yeah. All right.

How about, why did John vote Annika over Andy? I was pretty surprised. From Melissa. Yeah. I mean, I guess my read is that John really thought they were all lying to him and he was going home. So he wanted to make a big splash and he thought Sam was a very convincing liar. Andy was like, I'll jump to this. And so he probably thought that was his only chance to stay. And so I understand it, but I think he had a choice of going left or right and he chose in my opinion the wrong way to go but usually whether or not that would save him yeah true okay

how about he got blocked by the tribe he got blocked okay um sean wants to know uh do we think that things would turn out different for john if he's on one of the other two tribes, possibly with someone closer to his age? Now, again, I don't know. I mean, the tribe he was on, it's hard to imagine a scenario where things could have gone better for him. Because Andy, with all of his issues, is like, okay, I mean, do you think that the Red Tribe would have voted him out over Rome? Yeah, I mean, I think if he's blending in with the Scooby-Doo gang and chasing down Rome, finding the idol, maybe he could just sneak in there a little bit better. But, you know, somebody gave him every reason in the book to go over him and they still chose to vote him out. So hard to say.

I'm not sure he would fit in with the blue tribe much better. Mm hmm. You know, he's yeah. Yeah. That's all I got to say about that. Yeah. I'm really I'm very curious to know what went wrong for John. And we'll get the chance to talk to John tomorrow but it's almost like we need we need to talk to like Sam or Sierra or Annika or Rachel to really know like what what what really

why why'd you guys go why why John instead of yeah John seems like a smart guy and very self-aware so I'm sure he might have some insight into why he felt that he went home as well sure might be valuable but um I think it's just it was as simple as you know sam and sierra were like no we need andy's strength but why did but why did sam and sierra win out over what uh rachel and annika wanted to do right and you know what i have a feeling we we maybe didn't see this we didn't see it for sure but i i wonder if they said oh they're going out he's going after you annika because that's just the easiest way to then flip it on him, you know? Yeah.

And then, of course, that would incentivize both of them to want to vote him out. But they have to keep some suspense in the episode. So I don't think they can show everything like that. Otherwise, it would be very obvious. Okay. Our friend Dr. Christian Humicki said, could Omer identify which tribe was living with the horrible nightmare bird sounds. Okay, that's crazy, Christian, because those birds are so cute. And I begged for it.

They told me pregame, one beach has these crying birds that are endangered, so you can't touch them. And then I found out later they're not endangered. They just didn't want you to touch them? Yeah, and I was like, I really want to be on the beach and i was not i think it is on the beach with um with rome uh no with uh the blue tribe i think they're there but i unfortunately did not see or hear them ever and i think that's sad marianne's in the chat too uh marianne said uh by trying to rehabilitate and, John gave Andy more power. Do you agree or disagree? Yes, 100%. That's exactly.

It's like when there's a fire in a house and you're supposed to feel the door, not open it, John. And he opened it. Wow. I didn't know you were such a fire safety school. Fire safety.

Is the doorknob hot yeah you know what i actually think that people don't realize they need to stop drop and roll do your kids know that do they do my kids know if they're on fire to stop drop and roll yeah because i think i would forget if i got put on fire i think it's easy to forget if you're on fire like ah uh you start like running around flailing um stop drop and roll um i think it's easy to forget if you're on fire like ah uh you start like running around flailing um stop drop and roll um i think you need somebody there a buddy to to yell out okay and then also you tell your children ask them tomorrow well they're sleeping the door they're sleeping all right but they need they better feel the door before they don't don't open it so that's adorable that you think my kids sleep with the door closed. Like, forget fire.

They're worried about monsters. Yeah. The monster. The monster is hungry. Yeah. Yeah. So hungry. Do you wish they would bring the monster back?

The monster never left. Yeah. It was Jelinski. And now it's Andy. And then it'll incept into someone else next season. Who's to say. Okay. All right.

How about, um, Omer, uh, have you seen enough to associate Asia with an animal from Reagan? Um, she, Asia gives me,

you know, in Madagascar, did you watch that movie?'ve seen seen parts of it yeah you've seen parts of it why not the whole thing that's crazy i think my kids watched it a while ago okay well um there's the animal yeah i'm going more for like the true animals of madagascar because zebras don't live there but it's the predatory fusa which all the lemurs were afraid was going to kill them so that is Asia the fusa okay I've known that for years though Jacob asks what do you think of Sam's description of the glue guy strategy he wants to

be the glue guy are you a glue guy yeah yeah i was because you know marianne she's in the chat she wanted to kill jonathan yeah you were the glue guy what was it taku yeah you were jonathan yeah for sure i was a glue guy jonathan and lindsey you know they had their issues jonathan and marianne sometimes marianne and lindsey would bicker and i would be the you know i compared myself to the mother hen i would try to like put them under me and stop them from trying to kill each other so i would say that's a glue guy yeah which is same as a mother hen strut it's all the same synonyms yeah and if you weren't around the tribe wouldn't have been the same wouldn't have been as cohesive um maybe somebody else would have stepped into the glue guy role maybe jackson

jackson maybe could have been a glue guy yeah okay um let's see um i don't think you want to call yourself the glue guy though because it's like are you going to like the factory with the horses you know i don't know i feel like it's and is that an urban legend they really make glue out of horses um i don't know i'm not a horse vet so okay no horse vets crazy shit happens there like what um well one of my horse vet friends told me that they went to a racetrack and then instead of paying them money to treat the horses, they asked for steroids for the horses and then offered to pay them in cocaine. Yeah. It's crazy. So the trade is you get cocaine and they get horse steroids.

Yes. Hmm. Yeah. It's crazy shit yeah that is that is pretty crazy what uh what an underbelly yeah you don't want to be a horse fed okay omer what else is on your mind after this premiere i am pumped for this season i think it's great so far. I don't care about the haters that told me I was wrong because I think it's the best premiere in a while. Screw the haters. Yeah, screw the haters.

And I'm excited to see where the season goes. I hope there's a tribe swap. I hope we have a lot of fun. And I hope that people call each other out because that was really fun today. Yeah. So we did have the tribe swap in Survivor 45. Yeah.

And do you think that Survivor production felt like it worked? Do you feel like that they would like to do that again in Survivor 47? Because I know that... I think it said something weird about it, like we can only work with... Well, let's see see we get Omer back

we're hearing that yeah you cut out for a second you say that one more time oh there was an interview or something like be like oh we it's not that we don't want the swap it's that it doesn't work without 90 minute episodes it's like you've done that forever what are you talking about but I think that

I'm not sure the 40 I think people were so excited to see the 45 swap. I'm not sure it made for even more compelling television than it would have been otherwise. However, I think you need to change it up. Sometimes there needs to be a swap. Sometimes not.

And I think the mechanics of the swap need to change every now and then. Yeah. Don't forget a season 45 had, you know, Luvu was such a disaster tribe that it might've forced the swap. And I do wonder if it's like, okay, they sort of like have like, okay, plan B that have forced the swap. And I do wonder if it's like, okay, they sort of have

like, okay, plan B that things are going south, and so let's swap. This is a crazy idea. Go to two tribes. Yeah. Look, I have long said they should go from three to two to one. Go ahead, try that. But, okay.

Crazy stuff. All right. Zoe wants to know, Zoe Zebra. Like Xanadakis? Yes. Did you like my interview with Zoe Xanadakis? What a legend, what an icon. And I want her calendar. Yeah, bring it back.

Okay. What are your first impressions of Sue? Quiet night for Sue. Quiet night? Well, you think so? I feel like she got a little bit of a bomb but they that we didn't see that much sue oh see i feel like i felt i felt like a very strong impression of sue after the episode because i felt like everybody wanted to work with her and trust

her gabe is filling her in she's kind of being the wingman there um i think that sue is in a tough spot because sue to be like the star of the show. I guess so. Um, but I think that she, you know, it's hard to play as an older person because you can sometimes be stereotyped and you may not fit in. And we saw John is not even old, but he didn't feel like he fit in with that group. So the fact that Sue, you know, picked up that gigantic, um, puzzle piece by herself, like that's an important step. It's kind of like when Janet did the fire right away

to like impress people. And so I think that she's doing a really good job of like fitting in. And we saw so many people pregame wanted to work with her. So I think that she's doing very well. The one thing I worry about for Sue is like, if we do get to a tribe swap, you know,

and new people come into her tribe or her home, like she might not like that but um we'll see how it goes okay omer who gets the award for most purple contestant tonight uh the most saul saul i just say kyle yeah yeah but at least we got like a little story like his story yeah we just heard saul talking about r. I want to know more about Saul and his brain control. Yeah, I want to know more about those too. Okay. So hopefully we have a long way to go to learn about Saul. All right. Let me tell you about what's coming up here the rest of the week. We told you about the We Know Survivor feed where we've got the exit interview coming up

on Thursday and then Survivor Know-It-Alls. But back again this season on Fridays, I will be taking calls from the amazing patrons of RHAP. So Survivor Q&A is back 3 p.m. Eastern for the Survivor Q&A patrons. We'll send you out the link to call in, ask your questions with me live omer did you catch any of those last season i did not but i would love to catch him this time the patrons had great questions uh that you can call in live with the link everybody uh can watch it and we send out

the podcast episode to the patrons after the fact survivor q a coming up on friday the big brother q a for the patrons uh that is actually going to be moving uh this week to saturday right after the live feed update taryn and i will take your questions for the bbq and a patrons uh get the link to call in and ask your questions live. Then, just one of the perks you get, robinswebsite.com slash patron. We just opened up some more tickets for our live show coming up October 16th. Omer, will you be there?

I will be there. And I'm trying to get Mr. Jeff, Mr. Jonathan to come too. Will he pull a car? Will Jonathan pull a car? Will Jonathan pull a car? Yeah. Didn't he do that at the beach drop this past week? He pushed a car?

I didn't know about this. Apparently. Apparently so. Here's what's going on. We just opened up some additional seating. Robbisonwebsite.com slash what? What?

S? Sam, what's the link? NYC47. Robbisonwebsite.com slash NYC47. You see what happened was, Omer, the patrons bought up a lot of the discounted tickets. As they do. They do. They did it all the time.

That's the thing about the patrons. Yeah. We give them the link and we say to them, okay, patrons, here's the link to the tickets. Here's the discounted ticket link. Don't buy up all the tickets before the people who aren't patrons yet have a chance and they're like okay we promise and then they they lie they go back on their word and they're just like gobble them all up like discount discount and they uh it's not right it's not right and you know what they also took up all the tickets when i was trying to go to the

first toronto rhab yeah no at all and i couldn't even go and i live here yeah so all right sam opened up some tickets and they're i mean they're not discounted like the patron tickets were these are these are they should be patrons if they want the discounted tickets well these are the these are the these are the regular full price tickets but you but the good news is you can be there with us october 16th it's going to be a great show uh what i think it's a we had what uh 900 people with us last year in new york uh so uh rob is website.com slash nyc 47 all right Uh, then, Oh, this is huge. Homer. Yesterday.

We had a, we launched our brand new podcast. Of course, uh, America Lopez from big brother. 25 has a brand new podcast here on RJ. Golden bachelorette. It's the number one podcast on TV and film is it angela that's

gonna be there uh so uh is is angela the golden bachelorette golden bachelorette yeah uh that you have to ask america okay uh so america previewed all of the uh suitors of the golden bachelorette did her first impressions with Demi Burnett. That podcast is up. You go to America tells all.com to subscribe, listen to it there. It's in our,

we know the bachelor feed as well. And then coming up on Thursday, America has a huge guest talking about the premiere of the Golden Bachelorette. Are we allowed to say? Sam, are we allowed to say? To reveal? Okay. America has a huge guest. I don't know

if I'm allowed to say it. Okay? Oh, I want to know. Just tease it. Okay? I'll say reality royalty. Is it Rachel Riley? If you want to be there for it, americatellsall.com. All right.

Then somehow, how is this going to work? They're going on to do the Big Brother recap right after this. You're going to recap the Vito episode of Big Brother. And you podcast with me the whole time the Big Brother was on. Yeah. I am not caught up, but it's going to be a wild time regardless. Okay. I'll catch up.

They could tell me anything and I'll believe it. Okay. And that's fine. So stay tuned. Taryn and the panel will be back in a minute with Omer. So join Omer

for our Big Brother Veto recap right after this. And then Omer also wrote for, in case people don't know, we've got a great reality TV newsletter. It's called The Confessional. Kevin Jacobs and I

came up with this idea. We said, could we do like a Players Tribune for reality TV stars where reality stars can write about the shows that they were on and finally have a place where they could share their voice.

And that's what we've been working on. Every week you can sign up for free at The Confional, okay? RealityTVNewsletters.com, and Omer made a list of survivors that should get more love, and one of them responded to him. Yeah, actually, and one person also responded to me from the first part.

It's a two-part series. Two-part series. Don't forget. So Kevin has been doing a lot of great work publishing my article into two installments. Okay. So read the four more players. Omer says need more respect.

That's at realitytvnewsletters.com. Omer, what a great job you've done on the first Survivor post game of the season. Thank you for having me. I had a great time for a great premiere and I hope that people enjoy the season. Yeah. And cheer for Asia and Andy.

A great start. Hope Andy's doing okay. I'm sure a lot of people are, uh, you know, uh, have all of their, uh,

their takes and, maybe not being so nice, but, uh, look, uh, listen to the haters, Andy.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, look, we could, we could talk about what happened and we don't have to be uh mean about it okay yeah and honestly andy made the premiere i thought it was like so good because he's like joseph thought he was the star of the show andy truly is yeah agreed a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent. Omer, where can people follow you? Um, people can follow me on Instagram at OZH24 or Twitter at Omer Zahir DVM. Or if you have an exotic pet, you can come to see me in new market and I will treat it. Yeah. All right. That, well, it would be a treat for them.

Yeah. Well, not, no, they don't like to come to me. Yeah. Okay. And then... Do you want a thermometer up your butt? Okay. All right. It's time to wrap it up. Okay. But to our amazing community of listeners, I love to read your comments every week on these episodes. So keep them coming. Love to hear what you're thinking about the podcast, how we could be doing even better, what you're liking, maybe even, if you're polite, tell us what you're not liking too. Help us get better and we appreciate your comments. Thank you so much. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.